Per Buzz - Otule definitely Red-Shirting

[NersEllenson]

I have no reason to think anything negative about Buzz.  But, how anyone, in this day and age of sports, can blindly accept someone as being a super human being by his radio interviews I just don't understand.

Tiger Woods. 90% of MLB players in the 1990's/2000's. Etc.

I hope he is a great guy.  Until I meet any sports figure personally I won't pretend to know anything about them other than how well they do their job.

You and Chicos always share the same points of view.  I'm not surprised at your post, and won't entirely discredit your point.  As I said earlier, I guess it depends if you are a cynic or optimist in life and you and Chicos tend to be cynical in your viewpoints.  This day and age of sports figures has lead you to not have confidence in the reality that Buzz Williams is a great guy.  That is a fair position, but also cynical, especially when there is no evidence to the contrary regarding Buzz NOT being a great guy.  Furthermore, to lump Buzz Williams into the broad category of sports figures and cite a few specific examples of Tiger Woods and 90% of MLB players in the 90s...is quite a generalization.

[Jam Chowder]

Another hijacking. Again, the only positive is that this thread has neatly organized all of the stupidity on this board into one simple list of screen names, and I think each of them has earned a beating with the "ignore button" stick. What an awesome feature to have on here. Thank you for all ensuring that I will never have to read your comments again.

[NersEllenson]

I agree, I'm still reflecting on Rocco's post the other day about how terrible a coach Keno Davis is.  Glad we pulled out that win the other day against such a horrible coach.  His rips on Cubillan over the years have been fun as well....nothing better than ripping on 18-22 year old kids.  yes, we could use more of that common sense.  My favorite was "Shoot Fitzgerald" and not as in Shoot, Fitzgerald but literally SHOOT FITZGERALD.

I love it when someone like this attacks other posters for being a douche when same poster is such a douche toward our own players.   It is fun to read, I'll give you that.


Now, about Otule.  This means he's got three years left and I suspect that overall this will help the program out considerably by the time he is a super senior.

At least Rocco is willing to post an actual opinion, unlike you Chicos.  The irony is that you probably don't post your real opinions on anything for fear of being criticized, yet ultimately you end up getting criticized .  

[NersEllenson]

Another hijacking. Again, the only positive is that this thread has neatly organized all of the stupidity on this board into one simple list of screen names, and I think each of them has earned a beating with the "ignore button" stick. What an awesome feature to have on here. Thank you for all ensuring that I will never have to read your comments again.

Now here is an epic douche.  Chicos, you no longer take first place in that department.  Birkie, I'm sorry that our discussion was such a beating that you just couldn't take it anymore.  But you must be a masochist, because no one made you read the entire thread.  Therefore, you shouldn't be a person giving out any beating with the "ignore button" stick.  Are you kidding me? Please.

[Rocco]

Ners, I won't be posting here.  I like to read the posts and that's it.  I have a few sources.  I believe I was the first one on here with the Maymon to Tennessee news, but there are just to many jags, that ridicule everything you say, its not worth it.  I think I have 40 some posts over the last couple of years.  It just pissed me off to see Chico call you out about your comment on Buzz.  Anyone who has met Buzz, or watched his show, knows how sincere the guy is.  He is not a slimy used car salesman like most coaches.  I have seen that guy cry more times than any other guy I know.  The Buzz's Bunch stuff makes him tear up every time.  The guy is genuine.  I just get sick of all the cynics.  The best thing about Buzz is that he doesn't treat his players like "kids" he makes them accountable for their actions, the players at Marquette are men, not kids.

[MUBurrow]

Here's an opinion.  This is the dumbest thread I've ever seen.  

Has Buzz been everything MU could hope for in a coach, mentor, and representative?  Absolutely.  But all this metaphysical talk about him as a man and human being? We're all talking out of our @$$.  Judging from what he has done since he's been here, I would classify him as a great guy.  But I dunno, he might Eugene Robinson at the Super Bowl tomorrow.  Does that make his actions with MU less commendable? Nope.
Why do people get criticized for not having an opinion on the overarching, metaphysical moral standing of an individual we know as a basketball coach?  Its insulting not only in that detracts from the practical things he's done, but it in some way constrains what he might decide to do tomorrow.  And its absurd to ridicule someone for not passing judgment.

[mr.MUskie]

So Otule is definitely red-shirting?

[New Era Warriors]

does anyone have a link to the show from tonight?? thanks.

[karavotsos]

The last 35 minutes of the Buzz show were very informative. 

Liked the phrase "keep 'em spinning."  I don't think I've heard that one to describe the offensive philosophy before.  Maybe I just missed it, but its 100% dead on right for when they're playing good offense.

And I liked that he said that they needed to improve on making more FT's than the other team attempts.  They were great at that last year.  

[ChicosBailBonds]

Ners, I won't be posting here.  I like to read the posts and that's it.  I have a few sources.  I believe I was the first one on here with the Maymon to Tennessee news, but there are just to many jags, that ridicule everything you say, its not worth it.  I think I have 40 some posts over the last couple of years.  It just pissed me off to see Chico call you out about your comment on Buzz.  Anyone who has met Buzz, or watched his show, knows how sincere the guy is.  He is not a slimy used car salesman like most coaches.  I have seen that guy cry more times than any other guy I know.  The Buzz's Bunch stuff makes him tear up every time.  The guy is genuine.  I just get sick of all the cynics.  The best thing about Buzz is that he doesn't treat his players like "kids" he makes them accountable for their actions, the players at Marquette are men, not kids.

And I've never once said the guy isn't a nice guy, isn't genuine, isn't a man's man, isn't a terrific guy.  Have I Rocco?

No, I haven't.  All I said was, and in my mind it was completely correct, is that a guy down in the outskirts of Dallas, TX is not going to be able to find out what kind of a human being another person is by watching an edited interview.  It's silly and screams of a 12 year old puppy love.

None of us truly know anything about any of these people.  How many people thought they knew their spouses who they lived with every day of their lives only to end up divorcing down the road, and yet some guy 1200 miles away that listens to an interview can determine what type of human being someone is?  Give me a break.

If you didn't like it, I'm sorry but I am glad you came to the rescue.  Ners has about 200 posts and I'll bet I'm mentioned in 75 of them. It's hilarious and most of all, entertaining as hell.

Now, I've tried to take this back to Otule several times but it keeps coming back so whatever.


Glad you think ripping on 18-22 year old kids, our kids, is a great thing.  Congratulations.

[ChicosBailBonds]

Here's an opinion.  This is the dumbest thread I've ever seen.  

Has Buzz been everything MU could hope for in a coach, mentor, and representative?  Absolutely.  But all this metaphysical talk about him as a man and human being? We're all talking out of our @$$.  Judging from what he has done since he's been here, I would classify him as a great guy.  But I dunno, he might Eugene Robinson at the Super Bowl tomorrow.  Does that make his actions with MU less commendable? Nope.
Why do people get criticized for not having an opinion on the overarching, metaphysical moral standing of an individual we know as a basketball coach?  Its insulting not only in that detracts from the practical things he's done, but it in some way constrains what he might decide to do tomorrow.  And its absurd to ridicule someone for not passing judgment.

Ding ding ding.  That's all I was saying.  But Ners went off the deep end, as did the members of the Bat Phone brigade...same guys every time...hmmm.  It's humorous as hell.

Buzz seems a like a great guy, has done some wonderful things....the hero worship as a human being from a guy 1,200 miles away is odd and does a disservice to Buzz.  Apparently Ners doesn't understand that.  Get those Valentines Day cards out.

Now, about Otule....

[wojosdojo]

What about Yous? Any chance he'll be back; not that it really matters. And do you think he can ever be a well developed center in the BE? I mean he has a long way to go but he is 7'2". He has to intimidate someone.

[Goatherder]

does anyone have a link to the show from tonight?? thanks.

http://www.gomarquette.com/blog/

[avid1010]

We also learn what an incredible human being, coach, husband, father...Buzz is, in response to a listener question. 

I'm not sure any normal person read that sentence and didn't think it was a bit overboard.  In my opinion, Buzz hasn't even been a dad long enough to prove he's incredible at it, and many would question if a dad can work 100+ weeks and still be a good dad.  I won't judge whether Buzz is a bad father, but I also wouldn't call him and incredible human being, coach, husband and father based on a response to a listener question.  Politicians must love you!

[Jam Chowder]

Now here is an epic douche.  Chicos, you no longer take first place in that department.  Birkie, I'm sorry that our discussion was such a beating that you just couldn't take it anymore.  But you must be a masochist, because no one made you read the entire thread.  Therefore, you shouldn't be a person giving out any beating with the "ignore button" stick.  Are you kidding me? Please.

No, I came to read the thread to read intelligent discussion about Otule's future and how it will affect our program. Instead, I got a page and a half of you, Rocco, and Chicos peeing on each other and you calling everyone douches. And yes, the ignore button is a great solution to this problem. Thanks for letting me know you wanted to be a part of it.

Anyway, though I think it's unfortunate we're in this situation (It would have been far better if Otule had been able to contribute this season), I think in the long run that it  brightens our prospects for the next few seasons that he'll be redshirting. It (hopefully) will be a huge benefit to have him for an extra season. The greatest benefit is that it gives Buzz and the staff some extra time to work on landing some solid recruits at the 5, as Otule an Yous will be able to handle the bulk of the minutes at the 5 over the next couple seasons. The assumption there, however, is that (1) He stays healthy, and (2) continues to display improvement next year.

[avid1010]

Anyway, though I think it's unfortunate we're in this situation (It would have been far better if Otule had been able to contribute this season), I think in the long run that it  brightens our prospects for the next few seasons that he'll be redshirting. It (hopefully) will be a huge benefit to have him for an extra season. The greatest benefit is that it gives Buzz and the staff some extra time to work on landing some solid recruits at the 5, as Otule an Yous will be able to handle the bulk of the minutes at the 5 over the next couple seasons. The assumption there, however, is that (1) He stays healthy, and (2) continues to display improvement next year.

My thoughts are similar.  If he can defend, rebound and get a couple put-backs it would be a huge lift for MU in certain match-ups next year.  I'm happy the possibility of him coming back was floating around because it should mean that he's not too far away  from being (or already is) able to participate in individual workouts, practices, etc.

[SERocks]

I guess I'll always give a person the benefit of the doubt, until they prove me otherwise.  Maybe that makes me naive, but I'd rather be naive than cynical anyday.

+1

[tower912]

Buzz said that Otule practiced on Monday, and that merely having his presence in practice makes the team better.     Same with Cadougan and EWill. 

[GGGG]

I'm not sure any normal person read that sentence and didn't think it was a bit overboard.  In my opinion, Buzz hasn't even been a dad long enough to prove he's incredible at it, and many would question if a dad can work 100+ weeks and still be a good dad.  I won't judge whether Buzz is a bad father, but I also wouldn't call him and incredible human being, coach, husband and father based on a response to a listener question.  Politicians must love you!

+1.

If that makes me cynical, then I am cynical.  So far, I know Buzz is a good basketball coach.  I really know nothing of him personally, and I am not going to get that from a radio interview.  And frankly, I don't really care.  For all the criticism of Crean, he was a clean recruiter, graduated his players, and won.  If Buzz does the same, I'll be satisfied.  I honestly don't care all that much about the time he spends with his family, etc.  That's for him to figure out...not me.

[PBRme]

Thank you, after reading this thread I now know a lot more about Otule redshirting


Did I need teal?

[Canned Goods n Ammo]

You learned he was an incredible human being by his own answers? 

Chico's, you and I agree on a lot of stuff (including this)...

But, you have to give this one up.

Ners is a fan of Buzz. That's it. You're not going to prove anything by breaking down his posts.

Your just creating another Buzz fanboy vs Buzz cynics thread.

[StillWarriors]

Crean was nothing compared to O'Neill.  His berating of Logterman was often the topic of conversations among coaches of other sports teams at MU.  Crean was just a "poser" (the term used to describe him by some in the Athletic Dept), with a big ego, but Kevin O'Neill was
an incredibly mean individual.

He was as foul mouthed and mean spirited as they come. He was pretty brutal to McIlvaine as well.

On the good guy side, I know a few people that worked with Skip Prosser at Xavier and they never had a bad thing to say about the guy, and that was before he died too soon.

[mu_hilltopper]

Damnit you guys.  Knock it the hell off.   Decent topic, degenerating in to guys bickering about how they don't like each other and why.    Hint, if you used words like "d-bag" in your posts, I'm talkin' about you.

If you want to talk about Otule, or coaches, someone can start a new thread.  Sorry to those of you who wanted to actually discuss that stuff.