Rolling the ball on inbounds with more than 2 min remaining

[MarquetteDano]

Interesting strategy by Buzz having them roll the ball on the inbounds.  Usually this is reserved for late game situations to save time.  It appears Buzz did it to give them maximum shot clock with the ball in the frontcourt.  Seem to work well since we don't turn it over a lot and did get plenty of good shots.

It is counter-intuitive since we had the lead for good part of the second half but it would seem it actually worked for the most part.  I believe late in the game we stopped doing it in order to run down the game clock.  Pretty out of the box thinking by Buzz.

[TJ]

Interesting strategy by Buzz having them roll the ball on the inbounds.  Usually this is reserved for late game situations to save time.  It appears Buzz did it to give them maximum shot clock with the ball in the frontcourt.  Seem to work well since we don't turn it over a lot and did get plenty of good shots.

It is counter-intuitive since we had the lead for good part of the second half but it would seem it actually worked for the most part.  I believe late in the game we stopped doing it in order to run down the game clock.  Pretty out of the box thinking by Buzz.

Did we do that more than once?  I went into the kitchen once or twice during the game but I can't remember us doing that at all.

[nyg]

Did we do that more than once?  I went into the kitchen once or twice during the game but I can't remember us doing that at all.

They did it alot.  At least 6 to 7 times, especially early in game.  I was wondering the same thing as to why?

[TJ]

They did it alot.  At least 6 to 7 times, especially early in game.  I was wondering the same thing as to why?

My bad. I was trying to clean up while watching the first half, so I guess I looked away after made baskets more than I thought.

Maybe he was trying to adjust to the depth/fatigue issue, especially after seeing the FSU game and knowing WVU is also big.  Especially considering we wasted a whole possession doing an "offensive timeout" that seemed to be part of the game plan.

On that note, why did they wait soooo freaking long to start playing on that possession?

[StillWarriors]

I must be missing something, but I've never understood the point of rolling the ball inbounds. Not that is necessarily bad, but you can accomplish the same thing in a less risky fashion by just throwing it in.

[LON]

I must be missing something, but I've never understood the point of rolling the ball inbounds. Not that is necessarily bad, but you can accomplish the same thing in a less risky fashion by just throwing it in.

The clock doesn't start until someone touches the ball

[StillWarriors]

The clock doesn't start until someone touches the ball

Right, but it doesn't start until someone touches it when you throw it in too. If you want to advance it to the hash mark in the near court, for example, you get the same effect by just throwing it there. I suppose the potential advantage is that you can let it roll as far as they will let you get away with it uncontested, but guys usually pick it up around the three point line or so anyway. You could just throw it there.

Not a big deal, I just have always been amused at how even kids teams will do this at their coaches' direction b/c they've seen it done, but they pick it up at a point where they could just as easily throw it in.

[LON]

Right, but it doesn't start until someone touches it when you throw it in too. If you want to advance it to the hash mark in the near court, for example, you get the same effect by just throwing it there. I suppose the potential advantage is that you can let it roll as far as they will let you get away with it uncontested, but guys usually pick it up around the three point line or so anyway. You could just throw it there.

Not a big deal, I just have always been amused at how even kids teams will do this at their coaches' direction b/c they've seen it done, but they pick it up at a point where they could just as easily throw it in.

Maybe they do it since it allows everyone (except the inbounder) to get set on the offensive end of the floor?  The pass would get to the same spot they pick it up at a much faster pace...

[Marquette84]

Interesting strategy by Buzz having them roll the ball on the inbounds.  Usually this is reserved for late game situations to save time.  It appears Buzz did it to give them maximum shot clock with the ball in the frontcourt.  Seem to work well since we don't turn it over a lot and did get plenty of good shots.

It is counter-intuitive since we had the lead for good part of the second half but it would seem it actually worked for the most part.  I believe late in the game we stopped doing it in order to run down the game clock.  Pretty out of the box thinking by Buzz.

I was thinking of bringing up the same point last night.  I'm not sure how saving those two or three seconds each time we did it helped us in any way.

At best, it had no impact.  At worst, it lengthened the game just long enough to give WVU one more possession.

I could see if we were down and thought we needed the extra time to come back--but it sure seems like it played to WVU's advantage last night. 

Maybe they do it since it allows everyone (except the inbounder) to get set on the offensive end of the floor?  The pass would get to the same spot they pick it up at a much faster pace...

I'm not sure how anything changes.  The ball is either going to get from the end line to the 3/4 mark by being rolled by the inbounder or dribbled by the PG.  Either way, the other offensive players can set themselves.

[TJ]

Also, technically, isn't the 5 second count for inbounding the ball supposed to be continued until a player touches the ball?  That's a long time for the ball to roll, but it could happen.

[Daniel]

Also, technically, isn't the 5 second count for inbounding the ball supposed to be continued until a player touches the ball?  That's a long time for the ball to roll, but it could happen.

That's a good question, but I thought you only had to inbound the ball within 5 seconds.  Might htere be another 5 seconds to advance the ball?  I don't know

[TJ]

That's a good question, but I thought you only had to inbound the ball within 5 seconds.  Might htere be another 5 seconds to advance the ball?  I don't know

But what is inbounding?  Just throwing the ball out of the inbounder's hands or throwing it and having someone catch/touch it?

[Marquette84]

But what is inbounding?  Just throwing the ball out of the inbounder's hands or throwing it and having someone catch/touch it?

Count stops when the ball is thrown.  From the NCAA rulebook:

Art. 3. The thrower-in shall release the ball within five seconds so that
the pass goes directly into the playing court, except as provided in Rule
7-5.6.b.

Art. 4. The throw-in count shall end when the ball is released by the
thrower-in so that the ball goes directly onto the playing court.

[wadesworld]

My guess is to give the team a (short) breather.  It seemed like when we did that, we also had the PG stay at mid-court for 7 or 8 seconds before running a play.  That allowed the guys who needed to play almost 40 minutes a chance to catch their breath and it allowed Buzz and the staff to give instructions to the guys and get a play in to run.  It seemed to work well, as we ran effective plays and got good shots on all but one possession we did that as far as I can remember.

[TJ]

Count stops when the ball is thrown.  From the NCAA rulebook:

Art. 3. The thrower-in shall release the ball within five seconds so that
the pass goes directly into the playing court, except as provided in Rule
7-5.6.b.

Art. 4. The throw-in count shall end when the ball is released by the
thrower-in so that the ball goes directly onto the playing court.

Well that settles that.  Thanks.

[oldwarrior81]

I think we also did it a few times with the clock running. 

So if the game clock continues to run and the 35 second clock doesn't begin until the ball is touched, a team in essence could roll the ball for 5 seconds and take 40 seconds off the clock with each possession.

[MarquetteDano]

I think we also did it a few times with the clock running. 

So if the game clock continues to run and the 35 second clock doesn't begin until the ball is touched, a team in essence could roll the ball for 5 seconds and take 40 seconds off the clock with each possession.

Hmm... very interesting.  I think you are right in that in more than a few occasions the game clock was running.

[avid1010]

When we're holding the ball out against the zone, I don't think Buzz is trying to extend the game...