I would be shocked if we got Vander Blue

[MR.HAYWARD]

can we please lock this thread it is an embarrassmnet to our program and university

[wildbillsb]

Ditto, Mr. H., ditto.

wildbillsb

[Jam Chowder]

First time I've agreed with Hayward. This is getting ridiculous, if not utterly embarrassing. I would expect to see this stuff on the badger board.

[Nukem2]

What did Chicos say that was out of line.  Murff is the one who went way out of bounds on this one.  Chicos just got off several nifty shots at our "friends" to the West.

[tower912]

I started this thread because of a hunch, an opinion.   We are all allowed them.    On this board, and on the other, there is one person who consistently takes a thread off track to his agenda.   Do what I did.  I reached my limit and put him on ignore.    On both boards.   Mods don't have to decide anything.   Nobody responds and eventually the message is sent. 

[Murffieus]

That's exactly my point.  You mentioned Wade and Harris were not well rated out of high school, so to compare apples to apples you would have to admit that close to every recruit MU gets is on par with Wade/Harris (apples to apples).  That's just crazy.  It's obvious that Wade and Harris were extremely underrated, and talent like that is few and far between.  I don't believe MU will ever see a player as talented as Wade again, and from the practices I attended while Wade was sitting his first year, and from TC's comments during that time, it was quickly obvious that D Wade was the best player on the team from the minute he set foot on campus.  I don't think Blue will be the best player on the team in his first year, and having said that, and seeing him play, I definitely think he could develop into NBA material.  To compare him to Wade is completely unfair to Blue as he's not blessed with the natural body/talent that Wade was.

Wrong----not every "high recruit" MU gets is "on a par with Harris/Wade.

I didn't say that about DJ (even when he was burning up the BE as a frosh)-----I'm not saying that about Cadougan------(both were ranked about where Blue is ranked today-----I am saying that though about Vander Blue-----you confirm as much when you say he "definetly could develop into NBA material".

[Skatastrophy]

Wrong----not every "high recruit" MU gets is "on a par with Harris/Wade.

I didn't say that about DJ (even when he was burning up the BE as a frosh)-----I'm not saying that about Cadougan------(both were ranked about where Blue is ranked today-----I am saying that though about Vander Blue-----you confirm as much when you say he "definetly could develop into NBA material".

So with a guy like Blue what do you see that makes you believe that he could turn into a special talent in the NBA?  I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm just curious what puts him over the top in your mind?

[GGGG]

Wrong----not every "high recruit" MU gets is "on a par with Harris/Wade.

I didn't say that about DJ (even when he was burning up the BE as a frosh)-----I'm not saying that about Cadougan------(both were ranked about where Blue is ranked today-----I am saying that though about Vander Blue-----you confirm as much when you say he "definetly could develop into NBA material".

Developing into NBA material is as much about working hard as being smart as it is about talent.  Look at JaRon Rush v. Travis Deiner.  I wonder how many people thought that Diener would be cashing NBA paychecks longer than Rush would when they were seniors?

Any high level college basketball player can develop into NBA material.  Most of them don't. 

[ATWizJr]

Developing into NBA material is as much about working hard as being smart as it is about talent.  Look at JaRon Rush v. Travis Deiner.  I wonder how many people thought that Diener would be cashing NBA paychecks longer than Rush would when they were seniors?

Any high level college basketball player can develop into NBA material.  Most of them don't. 

really?

[4everwarriors]

So with a guy like Blue what do you see that makes you believe that he could turn into a special talent in the NBA?  I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm just curious what puts him over the top in your mind?

Dude, have you seen him play? Some of us can recognize talent when we see it.

[Skatastrophy]

Dude, have you seen him play? Some of us can recognize talent when we see it.

Recognizing talent is one thing.  Making the leap that an incredible high-school talent can successfully become an elite college player and then again to become an elite NBA player requires some mental gymnastics that I'm not capable of.

I'm wondering if there is something in particular or if you're just riding Blue's nuts?

[Canned Goods n Ammo]

Dude, have you seen him play? Some of us can recognize talent when we see it.

Agreed. He's in a class like Brian Butch. His talent is undeniable.

[4everwarriors]

Come on man, 002. Blue is quick on quick, got the shot and handle, and can finish. In the state tourney, he was the most college-ready playa on the floor as a junior including Maymon, Wilson, and Anderson.
BB was just an AWB.

[Canned Goods n Ammo]

Come on man, 002. Blue is quick on quick, got the shot and handle, and can finish. In the state tourney, he was the most college-ready playa on the floor as a junior including Maymon, Wilson, and Anderson.
BB was just an AWB.

I saw those games.

He's a player, for certain.

Not sure I can project him as an NBA player. Too many variables at his age. There are very few can't miss players.

I don't know the numbers, but a very small number of players ranked in the top 100 in high school basketball actually make it to the NBA.

[Murffieus]

So with a guy like Blue what do you see that makes you believe that he could turn into a special talent in the NBA?  I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm just curious what puts him over the top in your mind?

I didn't predict that Blue would be in the NBA post Div1-----what I did say is that at this stage of his career he is as good (ballpark good) as D Harris & D Wade.

I saw Blue in the State Tourney last March-----he's every bit as athletic as D Wade and D Harris were in HS------he's a better shooter both off the pullup and from behind the arc than either D Wade or D Harris in HS-----and he's almost as quick as both were in HS, taking it to the hoop-----although D Wade was stronger.

Now whether his attitude is as positive as Harris/Wade's that will allow him to develop to the NBA level, I don't know-----but he is a great talent right now.

[Blackhat]

I didn't predict that Blue would be in the NBA post Div1-----what I did say is that at this stage of his career he is as good (ballpark good) as D Harris & D Wade.

I saw Blue in the State Tourney last March-----he's every bit as athletic as D Wade and D Harris were in HS------he's a better shooter both off the pullup and from behind the arc than either D Wade or D Harris in HS-----and he's almost as quick as both were in HS, taking it to the hoop-----although D Wade was stronger.

Now whether his attitude is as positive as Harris/Wade's that will allow him to develop to the NBA level, I don't know-----but he is a great talent right now.

Good to hear I hope we get Blue.    

I remember a few years ago there was this guy on another MU board who was telling anyone who would listen that Keaton Nankivil was the best player he had seen and would be great.   Hopefully your basketball eye is better than that loser, Murffessius.

[Canned Goods n Ammo]

Good to hear I hope we get Blue.    

I remember a few years ago there was this guy on another MU board who was telling anyone who would listen that Keaton Nankivil was the best player he had seen and would be great.   Hopefully your basketball eye is better than that loser, Murffessius.

Keaton isn't used correctly!

IMHO he should be put in the wide post where he could excel!! Bo is a great coach, but he hasn't adjusted his system to fit his stud players!

[Murffieus]

As a junior, I said that Keaton would be the best player in the State of Wisconsin the next year-----and he was ----(Mr BB & Gatorade POY). Also said that he would be one of the best HS players all time in Wisconsin----fell a little short there).

Has a loads of ability (size, athleticism, poise, strong, has excellent moves to the hoop and is a very good shot) but is too laid back when he gets the ball (was that way in HS ----e.g. looks to pass first rather than than putting it up or taking it to the hoop----should be encouraged to take the initiative on that more-----seems like he is afraid to take the initiative out of fear that he will miss the shot or mess up the opportunity. Needs encouragement on that from Bo.

Tom Crean saw the same thing I did/do in Keaton-----he really put a full court press on him to get him to attend MU------probably worked harder to get him than any other recruit in the 9 years he was here.

[augoman]

Keaton isn't used correctly!

IMHO he should be put in the wide post where he could excel!! Bo is a great coach, but he hasn't adjusted his system to fit his stud players!

agree- rather than make the most of his players' talents, Bo makes the players fit his schemes.  IMO he ruined Butch and is misusing Nankavil.

[Murffieus]

I do think Nankivil would have been more productive to this point at MU, as I think both TC and Buzz would have challenged him to be more aggressive and innovative than apparently Bo has. Has to force himself to play outside of the box.

Nankivil would be better off the wide post as are most hybrids (did very well from there in HS)-----that position has been assummed the last two years by Landry, but of course is open this year, so maybe.

[Canned Goods n Ammo]

agree- rather than make the most of his players' talents, Bo makes the players fit his schemes.  IMO he ruined Butch and is misusing Nankavil.

HA!

I was really just trying to do a murf impression.

I do think Bo is a little too systematic at times, but I also think that great players can find ways to be successful in games. This isn't football. Hoops is a fluid game.