Author Topic: Next Year's Bigs (Read 5178 times)

HoopsMalone · « **on:** July 16, 2009, 10:08:00 PM »

Otule= Burke 2.0

Roseboro= Grimm 2.0

Mbao= Barro 2.0

Is history repeating itslef even more in the 2010 to 2006 comparison? Are these fair comparisons of the team's bigs going forward?

NavinRJohnson · « **Reply #1 on:** July 16, 2009, 10:14:39 PM »

Not sure how you can say that since I assume you haven't really ever seen any of them play. Otule obviously got a few minutes after the injury last year, but beyond that I guess I'm not sure why you're jumping to those conclusions.

muhoosier260 · « **Reply #2 on:** July 17, 2009, 12:29:55 AM »

cuz its july brah

ATWizJr · « **Reply #3 on:** July 17, 2009, 05:30:15 AM »

October can't come fast enough.

mu_hilltopper · « **Reply #4 on:** July 17, 2009, 08:12:16 AM »

We'd be in great shape if those 3 guys were "version 2" of Burke, Otule, and Barro. Highly, highly doubtful. Check back in 2-3 years.

GGGG · « **Reply #5 on:** July 17, 2009, 08:12:43 AM »

The concern I have with the bigs is that Mbao may not even be eligible. Not because of the clearinghouse, but because of the amateurism issue.

If that is the case, we are really in trouble. Otule would be our only big. That means we have to play small *a lot.*

NCMUFan · « **Reply #6 on:** July 17, 2009, 08:25:39 AM »

These are the players we have. Maybe someday we will have a dream team with 5 NBA draft picks. They will have shortcomings but may end up being good Div I basketball players. As other posters have said, let them prove themselves on the court. With Fulce, Maymon, Lazar, Eric Williams, Jimmi Butler and taller guards, we may not be in that bad of shape. The overall height increase between this years and last years team is significant. I guess another question is what teams do we play besides Gody at ND that have dominating centers that we should totally fear?

bilsu · « **Reply #7 on:** July 17, 2009, 08:29:46 AM »

Roseborro can shoot and handle the ball. He has more skills than Grimm.

{Juggernaut} · « **Reply #8 on:** July 17, 2009, 08:39:28 AM »

Doesn't Syracuse have Onuaku and dashonte riley? Greg Monroe @ georgetown?

bma725 · « **Reply #9 on:** July 17, 2009, 08:51:16 AM »

Quote from: muhannan on July 17, 2009, 08:39:28 AM

Doesn't Syracuse have Onuaku and dashonte riley? Greg Monroe @ georgetown?

I wouldn't expect much from Riley, at least not this year. Either way, they have a bigger problem in that they have no true PG on the roster.

Flynn is gone. Devendorf is gone. Brandon Triche is a 2. Rautins is a 2. They get Scoop Jardine back, but he's more of a combo than a true point, and he's been in Boeheim's doghouse anyway. So they've got to play without a PG for awhile.

On the other hand, they get Wesley Johnson eligible from the RS year and Mookie Jones from the injury so they will still have a ton of talent, just no one to distribute the ball.

Golden Avalanche · « **Reply #10 on:** July 17, 2009, 09:57:29 AM »

I wouldn't expect anything from Mbao next year.

He's late getting into the summer program. He'll have to sit out anywhere from 4-12 games depending on the mood of the NCAA office the day they decide his punishment. And, we all saw last year how short Buzz keeps his bench for those who miss the first 37 practices and 7 games.

The total of that equation is Mbao not doing much. If that's the case, we better hope the ginger's got game straight away.

GOO · « **Reply #11 on:** July 17, 2009, 10:09:50 AM »

I wouldn't expect much from our Bigs next year, but I wouldn't compare them to Burke either. Burke played hard, was listed at 6'8" but was shorter. He gave it his all and worked hard, but had no jump shot and couldn't score outside a few feet. Burke didn't have a lot of natural ability:

Otule= Burke 2.0 (Otule has more skill, and is 6'10"; Burke is about 6'7"; Otule has more potential and natural ability, but will he work as hard as Burke and be as tough as Burke? If yes, he will be an upgrade over Burke this year.)

Roseboro= Grimm 2.0 (Grimm was more of a banger type without a lot of skill, but he tried hard; Roseboro can handle the ball and shoot it; totally different type of player who can draw a defender out and not clog up the lane, but can he defend the 4 or 5? Will he work hard and be tough? If so, he can help us out this year).

Mbao= Barro 2.0 (reports are that Mbao is raw. Hard to imagine he is as raw as Barro was since Mbao played some highschool basketball on a team (unlike Barro), but Mbao is 7'2" and Barro is around 6'9" or 6'10"). Barro got better each year. At 7'2" and with some shot blocking ability/skill already, I think Mbao may offer more than Barro, if he can keep improving and put on some weight so that he doesn't loose his balance when bumped. However, if he isn't cleared this summer, will he ever suit up at MU?
Will he run the court like Barro and hustle up and down and tire his defender out?

bma725 · « **Reply #12 on:** July 17, 2009, 10:10:24 AM »

Quote from: The Golden Avalanche on July 17, 2009, 09:57:29 AM

I wouldn't expect anything from Mbao next year.

He's late getting into the summer program. He'll have to sit out anywhere from 4-12 games depending on the mood of the NCAA office the day they decide his punishment. And, we all saw last year how short Buzz keeps his bench for those who miss the first 37 practices and 7 games.

It could be a lot more than 12. Mbao is in the same situation as Lucca Staiger at Iowa State. He was forced to sit out an entire season.

Golden Avalanche · « **Reply #13 on:** July 17, 2009, 01:32:29 PM »

Quote from: bma725 on July 17, 2009, 10:10:24 AM

It could be a lot more than 12. Mbao is in the same situation as Lucca Staiger at Iowa State. He was forced to sit out an entire season.

If Mbao loses an entire season, then Buzz and staff have failed a test. Coach was adament when talking about Mbao that they looked into every facet of Mbao's eligibility situation. If they mis-judged the suspension by that much, it enters a question mark into the equation. Would be very disappointing.

Skatastrophy · « **Reply #14 on:** July 17, 2009, 01:45:37 PM »

Quote from: The Golden Avalanche on July 17, 2009, 01:32:29 PM

If Mbao loses an entire season, then Buzz and staff have failed a test. Coach was adament when talking about Mbao that they looked into every facet of Mbao's eligibility situation. If they mis-judged the suspension by that much, it enters a question mark into the equation. Would be very disappointing.

Historically it's been very difficult for programs to get a read on how things are going to go with the NCAA clearinghouse. I wouldn't hold it against Buzz if the clearinghouse effs this deal up for us.

bma725 · « **Reply #15 on:** July 17, 2009, 02:10:31 PM »

Quote from: The Golden Avalanche on July 17, 2009, 01:32:29 PM

If Mbao loses an entire season, then Buzz and staff have failed a test. Coach was adament when talking about Mbao that they looked into every facet of Mbao's eligibility situation. If they mis-judged the suspension by that much, it enters a question mark into the equation. Would be very disappointing.

Honestly if you think that then you don't know much about how the system works. The NCAA Committee on Amatuerism is a completely arbitrary group of people that come up with wildly unpredictable rulings that make no sense to anyone, sometimes even past members of the committee. There's nothing you can do as a coach to get a gauge of what they think because you aren't allowed to talk to them. So you look at what your kid has done and hope for the best.

I mentioned Lucca Staiger before, because he was the same thing Mbao. He played as an amateur on a German pro team and the NCAA ruled that even though he didn't receive one cent from the team, because he was on a team where players were paid, he was ineligible for an entire year. It flew completely in the face of any ruling they'd done in the past, but it's not out of the realm of possibility that it happens again. They could easily say that Mbao will miss no games, or they could say he's banned from the NCAA and it wouldn't be a surprise at all.

lurch91 · « **Reply #16 on:** July 17, 2009, 02:29:24 PM »

Quote from: bma725 on July 17, 2009, 02:10:31 PM

Honestly if you think that then you don't know much about how the system works. The NCAA Committee on Amatuerism is a completely arbitrary group of people that come up with wildly unpredictable rulings that make no sense to anyone, sometimes even past members of the committee. There's nothing you can do as a coach to get a gauge of what they think because you aren't allowed to talk to them. So you look at what your kid has done and hope for the best.

Often times past decisions don't set any type of precedent. The rulings are often times unpredictable and arbitary.

bilsu · « **Reply #17 on:** July 17, 2009, 02:46:15 PM »

Quote from: The Golden Avalanche on July 17, 2009, 01:32:29 PM

If Mbao loses an entire season, then Buzz and staff have failed a test. Coach was adament when talking about Mbao that they looked into every facet of Mbao's eligibility situation. If they mis-judged the suspension by that much, it enters a question mark into the equation. Would be very disappointing.
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He was a late replacement for McMorrow when it was determined he could no longer play for health reasons. That was a good time to take a chance on a player like Mbao. I hope we redshirt Mbao this year, because if we don't it will turn into a wasted year. I expect him to be a very good player in the future.

The nice thing about Otule and Roseboro is one is a low post center and the other is a high post center, which gives us some versatility.

Golden Avalanche · « **Reply #18 on:** July 17, 2009, 04:25:45 PM »

Good thing I'm not married. I already have plenty of people on here telling me how dumb I am.

hdog1017 · « **Reply #19 on:** July 17, 2009, 04:34:48 PM »

I just hope Mbao is spending his time right now eating a few more cheeseburgers. Saying that he needs to bulk up is an understatement.

muhoops1 · « **Reply #20 on:** July 17, 2009, 10:04:03 PM »

I just hope he gets in......Junior too.

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