Marquette process vs. Arizona process

[PuertoRicanNightmare]

He's still better than Crean. Right?

No question about it. Sister Maria would have been better than Crean.

Now SHE was a good representative of the university!!

[ChicosBailBonds]

Is Jim Boylen a big name coach?  If hired, he'll get a lot of play as being part of the Izzo coaching tree.  I would say he is a fit for where he is at Utah.  AZ may be a stretch.   Good luck.  Most coaching hires, other than the Self's and Ray Williams and Pitiinos and Caliparis, are gambles. Look at UVA and GA bringing guys from across the country.  Good coaches, but will they fit their new far away homes?  

Looks like Miller took it.  A little persuasion and PUSH by the administration at UA can get things done.  Instead of giving up in 48 hours. 

[ChicosBailBonds]

I am almost afraid of starting this thread because of where it may lead but ...
There has been plenty of discussion about MU's hiring process last year on this board.  Watching Arizona getting "used" by coaches that may only be working a better contract at their current school makes me feel better about our process.  If the members in the know are correct, then MU did some background work with phone calls before deciding.  Flying these guys to Arizona sure looks like no one wants the job.  I think that is more damaging than a few phone calls and then hire the next on the list.  And then there is the whole loss of recruits while it gets sorted out but that is for another time.

If they did get Miller, I'd say they weren't used at all.  Would you?   Patience and not rushing seems to have paid off quite well for them if they get Miller.  And the fact that they were turned down by a few people will be forgotten very quickly.

[PE8983]

Deane rules!  Bought me beers too at a high school all star game in Indiana - he was sitting with David Digg's dad watching the Ohio team play.  Took my name and address and followed it up with a few hats in the mail.

[ChicosBailBonds]

No question about it. Sister Maria would have been better than Crean.

Now SHE was a good representative of the university!!

Wow, I haven't heard that name in 20 years.  She should have been a varsity high school coach (I believe she was for some time) because she had no business coaching at the DI level.

[THEGYMBAR]

MU had a process last year? For 363 days I thought we just picked DS's pick. Would take AZ process or the MU process anyday of the week. Who you ultimately get is only part of the process and I believe MU was caught with no plan in place.

[Canned Goods n Ammo]

No question about it. Sister Maria would have been better than Crean.

Now SHE was a good representative of the university!!

Fine.

I guess my point is, you found reasons to hate Crean, and it took you a little while, but you've found reasons to hate Buzz too.

I bet you'll rip the next coach as well.

I think you fall into the certain percentage of "sports fans" who aren't happy being happy. You are always ready to blast the front office, the administration and/or the coach for "screwing up".

I don't think you will ever be "happy" with MU basketball. You hate the logo, the mascot, the color gold, Nike, Tom Crean, Bill Cords, Steve Cottingham, Buzz Williams, etc. etc.

MU could win 10 national titles in a row, and you still wouldn't be happy with the program.

ENJOY!

[ChicosBailBonds]

Coaching salaries.

$2.4 million for Miller

Insane amount for Donovan and Coach Cal


MU is in the $1.3M range or so.  Wondering how much MU would be willing to go?

[4everwarriors]

Coaching salaries.

$2.4 million for Miller

Insane amount for Donovan and Coach Cal


MU is in the $1.3M range or so.  Wondering how much MU would be willing to go?

Insane? That's what it takes to pee with the big boys.

[ChicosBailBonds]

Insane? That's what it takes to pee with the big boys.

I say insane because it's harder and harder to quantify the ROI on it at this stage.  For a school like MU, it becomes REALLY difficult.  I was reading this morning in the Sports Business Journal about some of the deals universities have on their marketing rights.  As an example, Wisconsin has a $76 million dollar rights deal with Leerfield over 12 years.  That's a check for $6.33million per year they get.  Plus football income, etc.

MU and other schools like it are going to continue to have harder and harder times paying for salaries like this because they don't have the income on their sports to justify it.  MU was near the top in coaching salaries a few years ago and has already been passed by from a number of schools. 

If MU didn't have Dick Strong, would they even be in the game?

This is why the football argument is somewhat relevant.  In many ways it costs too much to start one but in many other ways without it, you eventually will be squeezed out entirely down the road.

[PJDunn]

Chicos,
You are absolutely right.  The economic model of D1 college football/basketball is trending towards the baseball model.  The Yankees and Red Sox of college sports (or Angels!) will end up being the BCS football schools. 

[PuertoRicanNightmare]

Fine.

I guess my point is, you found reasons to hate Crean, and it took you a little while, but you've found reasons to hate Buzz too.

I don't hate Buzz at all. I just think he's completely unqualified to be our coach. He seems like a nice enough guy.

I will admit that, on the surface, I'm not crazy about what seems to be a shift in our philosophy on the student athletes that make up our team. But a lot of that was covered up in the past so I'm not so sure.

And I absolutely do not hate Bill Cords. Not in the least. Love him. I don't really have strong feelings on Cottingham.

But keep on misinterpreting things...it's what you do best!

[Pakuni]

I don't hate Buzz at all. I just think he's completely unqualified to be our coach.

Says the guy who wanted Chris Lowery.
Saluki Nation would be besides themselves wth joy if MU had taken him off their hands.

[Canned Goods n Ammo]

I don't hate Buzz at all. I just think he's completely unqualified to be our coach. He seems like a nice enough guy.

I will admit that, on the surface, I'm not crazy about what seems to be a shift in our philosophy on the student athletes that make up our team. But a lot of that was covered up in the past so I'm not so sure.

And I absolutely do not hate Bill Cords. Not in the least. Love him. I don't really have strong feelings on Cottingham.

But keep on misinterpreting things...it's what you do best!

Never mind.

Enjoy Buzz Williams. He's going to be the coach for a while, whether any of us like it or not.

[jmayer1]

Based on what I've seen so far I think Buzz is a heck of a coach.  Granted, the jury will be out for at least another couple years but right now he's looking good.  In fact, I would much prefer Buzz and his recruiting prowess over Tony Bennett; who a lot of people around here thinks is a boy genius but hasn't been able to pull in any top recruits since his pops left.  Right now I'd also take Buzz over guys like Chris Lowery, Bryce Drew, Wojo, and Brad Brownell.  I thought (and still think) Anthony Grant and Sean Miller prolly would have been better hires but they either didn't want the job (Miller) or MU didn't seem too interested (Grant).

With that being said, I don't care how long or how short the process was.  I don't care who was involved in the process.  All I care is about the end result of the process, which ended up being Buzz. 

Some of the people here wanted the coaching search to be handled a lot different but you have to remember that a "great process" that yields a shitty choice is a hell of a lot worse than a "bad process" that yields a good choice.

[ChicosBailBonds]

Some of the people here wanted the coaching search to be handled a lot different but you have to remember that a "great process" that yields a crapty choice is a hell of a lot worse than a "bad process" that yields a good choice.

A longer process would have yielded the same hire and allowed us to take a few more chances as some big guns....if it doesn't work out, Brent is still there.

[jmayer1]

A longer process would have yielded the same hire and allowed us to take a few more chances as some big guns....if it doesn't work out, Brent is still there.

Yes, that's true, but what "big guns" did you want MU to go after?  I think Miller made it pretty clear he didn't want to come to MU.  What guys should MU have gone after that weren't pipe dreams?