Forget the no-call on Wes, did we really not Foul after that?

[jaygall31]

Sure, Wes was probably fouled. You don't get that call on the road.

but did we really let them run down the final seconds with the way they shoot free throws? That's a joke in my eyes.....

[Ahoya06]

+1

Especially with Louisville's free-throw woes, why not extend the game?

[jaygall31]

I feel like there was some concession @ the end, and that doesn't sit very well with me.

[Big Papi]

Once we couldn't get the quick foul, it was under 10 seconds, down 2 possessions and no timeouts.  Should have fouled with 8 seconds left but we would have needed the miracle.  Once it got under 8 seconds it was over.

[mu35577]

yeah you can't call that foul on Wes. the refs said theyre not going to call that as much if the shooter leans in which Wes did. Im more mad about Jerel and Acker's 3 point shots with 1:45 to go and down 4. We shoulda drove to the lane and got a quick 2 and then strecthed the game out and make them make FT's which we woulda won then. This one's on jerel...if he has a BAD game we win...he had a horrible game. great job by buzz getting them ready and great hustle and play by the boys today. too bad we couldn't steal one

[Pardner]

yeah you can't call that foul on Wes. the refs said theyre not going to call that as much if the shooter leans in which Wes did. Im more mad about Jerel and Acker's 3 point shots with 1:45 to go and down 4. We shoulda drove to the lane and got a quick 2 and then strecthed the game out and make them make FT's which we woulda won then. This one's on jerel...if he has a BAD game we win...he had a horrible game. great job by buzz getting them ready and great hustle and play by the boys today. too bad we couldn't steal one

If Jerel has a crappy game, we win going away...I think we all stormed the boards on Wes's shot...and then it bounced on the rim...we got caught in the paint..and Wes was down on th...ahem...contact...team and Jerel played their hearts out

[Eye]

Once we couldn't get the quick foul, it was under 10 seconds, down 2 possessions and no timeouts.  Should have fouled with 8 seconds left but we would have needed the miracle.  Once it got under 8 seconds it was over.

Are you serious? No way in the world a four-point game with 7 seconds is over. Last time I checked there have been some four-point plays in the history of basketball. I was extremely, extremely disappointed MU did not foul there.

I frankly can't believe this isn't getting more play.

[Sir Lawrence]

Are you serious? No way in the world a four-point game with 7 seconds is over. Last time I checked there have been some four-point plays in the history of basketball. I was extremely, extremely disappointed MU did not foul there.

I frankly can't believe this isn't getting more play.

Bill James agrees with you.  Lead was only 32% safe for 'ville at that point in the game.

He has a cool calculator here (you need to scroll down a bit): 
http://www.slate.com/id/2185975/

[Daniel]

I agree - we should have fouled.  We do nothing and we lose.  We foul and we may lose.  We foul and we may tie.  Who knows?  But you don't quit down 4.  If it is POSSIBLE to still win, you keep playing.  If we were down 15, ok.  Down 4?  No - you play, you don't run the clock out.

Before the 3 point shot was in, I saw ND down 7 with 14 seconds left, WIN.  As Winston Churchill said, "Never, never quit."  After the effort this team made in this game. . .

Now that this has been brought up, I am riled up about it.

[romey]

yeah you can't call that foul on Wes. the refs said theyre not going to call that as much if the shooter leans in which Wes did. Im more mad about Jerel and Acker's 3 point shots with 1:45 to go and down 4. We shoulda drove to the lane and got a quick 2 and then strecthed the game out and make them make FT's which we woulda won then. This one's on jerel...if he has a BAD game we win...he had a horrible game. great job by buzz getting them ready and great hustle and play by the boys today. too bad we couldn't steal one

That call has been made before.  How about DJ and Georgetown 2(?) years ago? 

[dwaderoy2004]

there was definitely more than 10 seconds left on the clock when louisville got the ball, maybe as much as 12 seconds.  the game log says Wes shot at 14 seconds.  even if louisville makes both free throws, it is still only a 2 possession game.  i was screaming at the tv when this happened and was incredulous that we just gave up.  if buzz was yelling out to the team not to foul (and i have no idea if he did call off the dogs), then shame on him.  the team fought too hard today to go down so quietly.

[Norm]

Heck, Reynolds and Fisher from Villanova jump into the opposition all game long and get 3/4 of the free throws this way. Both of them did it all night long against Marquette.

[Big Papi]

Are you serious? No way in the world a four-point game with 7 seconds is over. Last time I checked there have been some four-point plays in the history of basketball. I was extremely, extremely disappointed MU did not foul there.

I frankly can't believe this isn't getting more play.

Ahmmmmm I said that we should have fouled but it was a four point game and they had the ball so four could have been six.  We also had a real hard time putting the ball in the bucket as evidenced by our horrible field goal percentage and only scoring 58 points.  As far as there being four-point plays in the history of basketball, yes there have been but when was the last time another team was dumb enough to do it against us.    

[Big Papi]

there was definitely more than 10 seconds left on the clock when louisville got the ball, maybe as much as 12 seconds.  the game log says Wes shot at 14 seconds.  even if louisville makes both free throws, it is still only a 2 possession game.  i was screaming at the tv when this happened and was incredulous that we just gave up.  if buzz was yelling out to the team not to foul (and i have no idea if he did call off the dogs), then shame on him.  the team fought too hard today to go down so quietly.

Yes there was more than 12 seconds when Louisville had the ball but they broke away with the ball.  The earliest we could have fouled and didn't was around the 8-9 second mark.  I might be mistaken but I think Acker could have fouled than but probably due to his lack of playing time and not knowing the time left on the clock, hesitated to foul and once he did that, it was game over.

[Eye]

Bottom line for me is this. If you're down 4 with anything more than about 4-5 seconds remaining, you should be fouling. Even without time outs you have time to run the ball up the floor, make a 2 or a 3, and make them inbound the ball. Maybe they throw the ball away or simply aren't able to inbound the ball.

Is it a great chance the trailing team here comes back and forces overtime? Of course not. Is there some chance, something like a 2 or 3 percent chance? Yes. That's worth taking a foul in my mind, and I don't think it's real debatable. If you don't foul there, you have zero chance. The coaches job is to put his team in the best position to win, and I don't think Buzz did that after WM missed the three (this also may be the first criticism I've had of any nature about Buzz since he took the job).

Perhaps Acker didn't know what to do in that situation, but that would partially be the fault of the coaching staff, too, if that were the case. That has to be a point of discussion in the time out after LH's 3, and in the stoppage after Acker took the foul after that 3. I almost can't imagine it wasn't.

[mu ricer22]

did you see the replay of that last play the guy completely undercut Wes and we could of made those free throws and it would of been tied
BUT THEY PROBABLY WOULD NOT OF CALLED THAT AT THE END OF AN AWAY GAME

[Eye]

Yes, I saw the game live, and saw the replay. I wasn't sure when I saw it live and still wasn't sure after watching a replay. I do believe the official was out of position a touch, though.

Replay of game on CBS College Sports TV at 10, and I'm going to watch to see if my initial inclination on what I believe was a mismanaging of the final 13 or seconds was correct.

[jaygall31]

does anyone know if Buzz was asked in this quesiton about not-fouling in any pressers since the game?

[Eye]

I haven't seen it in print or heard it in audio yet. Heard second-hand that BW initially wanted to take a foul in the few seconds immediately after the miss, but after a few more seconds ticked off, that he thought it was too late. I'm sorry, but I disagree with that strategy, and I think it's a reasonably aggregrious error.

I did re-watch the game on the CBS College Sports TV replay about 50 minutes ago. Looked like U of L secured the rebound with 13 seconds remaining. MU had plenty of chances to foul after that, the best of which came with about 7 seconds remaining. I'm not suggesting MU should have been fouling anything more than one more time. But once more was definitely warranted IMHO, and like I said, I think it's a fairly aggregious error.