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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: spiral97 on November 01, 2006, 09:33:56 PM
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A good, typical poll to ask when a new season is only days away. ;D
Vote and and share your reasons below in replies!
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Just thinking out loud and in no particular order --
Louisville -- usually were great games, but not the biggest rivalry because for me there's one thing missing that isn't missing from...
Cincinnati -- and that would be a good dose of animosity. The Cincy games always have a certain edginess. But that maybe changing given their situation and also we don't play them this year. So that takes me to...
Pittsburgh -- amazing how hard fought those 2 games were last year. How about the level of anticipation for the game at the BC? Could Pitt be the BE equivalent of Cincy in CUSA? The foundation has been laid.
Wisconsin -- any rivalry discussion has to include the Badgers. You want edgy? How about Crean yelling at Bo after Butch steamrolled TD? (I think it was TD -- feel free to correct). How about Al on the table? Great stuff. The game is every year so there's consistency. And there's the usual stuff that has already been stated. The only thing that keeps me from selecting the Badgers is that I'm a conference guy. I love this game and everything about it, but I believe the conference games and teams are more important.
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Agreed with all of them.. I chose wisconsin (you would too if you were married to a badger alum for 5 years) but pittsburgh was a close second for me.. went to the game last year with a buddy and holy cow was that a thorough blast! reminded me of the times we hosted louisville and kicked their butt (or got ours handed to us by a rogue 3 pointer with .0001 seconds left) - can you guess that louisville comes out third on my list?
Cincinnati was always a thorn in our sides.. not so much when we played them but that, even when we had a pretty decent team and were poised to win the great midwest conference title, they'd always be there to be a win or two better somehow.
hard to say depaul but the competition is becoming fierce over who really owns their "house" LOL
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Has to be UW@Madison. In-state teams. Bragging rights amongst friends. Hard fought recruiting battles for state players. A fairly long standing tradition of competition amongst the two. And the two coaches have a dislike for each other. I think most MU fans who live in this area relish a victory over UW@Madison a little bit more than any other victory.
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Mostly because of the stuff I read on these message boards I believe Wisconsin is the biggest rival. The hate level on these boards seems to be much higher than with fans that I know in person.
Before these boards I would have said Cinci. I do believe the Pitt rivalry could really blow the others away in the next few years.
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I would think that if we look over the last 10 years, it would be Cinci & UL. Many older alums will even go back and say DePaul or Notre Dame. After our first year in the Big East, I would have to say Pitt. If there is one BE team I want to beat this year, it will be Pitt. Wisconsin just isn't the biggest rival to me because I live out of State and don't have to deal with their fans. Yet we battle with them for local recruits so it's a big game. All that said, I'm gonna go with UL - I HATE Pitino and nothing gets me more upset than him. >:(
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I can't believe UWM wasn't a choice.
** sarcasm alert **
I went with ND, because they've remained a rival despite all our conference changes, but DePaul or UW were good choices too. I think we've played DePaul more than any other team. I think Cinic and L'Ville will die down some in the big east, but schools like Pitt and Georgetown will grow. The battle for Jesuit dominance is on.
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FUNNY T-SHIRT IDEA...
"Our Jesuits can beat up your Jesuits"
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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I can't believe UWM wasn't a choice.
It was.... under "other".. and will continue to be referenced as such until they make a name for themselves.. oh they say they have? right.. by losing to uw parkside. ::)
*smirk*
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I would say that Wisconsin is definately our biggest rival, but I think Pitt is going to develop into our biggest Big East rival.
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I'm not *that* old, but I am old school - gotta' go with ND. They fact that -- according to all-time record -- they completely OWN Marquette bothers me. And no, I wasn't a ND reject, didn't even think about going to school there.
I will admit that for many Wisconsin is probably the biggest. No doubt I think it's a big game, but I don't have to deal with people talking about the badgers all the time. I guess that makes it drop down the list in my mind.
And while *prior* to the first season in the BE, I would say UL was our biggest BE rival - I'd now go with Pitt. However, I'm not sure it's a two way street with them - they get lots of people gunning for them I'm sure.
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My opinion is that you have Conference rivals and non-conference rivals...Wisconsin being our biggest non-conference (but also biggest rival).
Conference rival I'd list Louisville first with Notre Dame second.
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My opinion is that you have Conference rivals and non-conference rivals...Wisconsin being our biggest non-conference (but also biggest rival).
Conference rival I'd list Louisville first with Notre Dame second.
Conference rival would definitely be Louisville. Phenomenal games and their fan base is unbearable.
Did anyone listen to Mike and Mike this morning? I caught the very tail end but Greenie was making fun of Louisville as it appears they have changed the way they pronounce louisville. It is now 'Lou ah vul' instead of 'Louis ville'. I thought it was rather funny.
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yeah I got yelled at by the lady at ticketmaster when I called and asked for tickets to the LouEEville game.. she said "hon.. there ain't no such team.. it's LouIHville.. I know cuz I am FROM there, ok now hon?".. the quick "yes ma'am I'm very sorry ma'am" helped but she still said "tickets are blocked to residents of states other than wESconsin and illinoISSSS".. *sigh*
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Felt compelled to weigh in with a different perspective. I am not from the Dairyland. The only time I lived there were the 4 glorious years at old MU. So I used to hate all you cheezheads (no offense intended) going on and on about the UW rivalry....cuz the rest of us just didn't care.
However, I have come to embrace it. I still have no personal animosity for the badgers. But it is without question MU's biggest rivalry. For all of the reasons stated above (recruiting, home state, etc.), but especially because of history! If you as differend alums who they think is the biggest rival, it will likely depend on when they were in school. But the one consistent grudge match every year/decade/generation...one guaranteed sell out is always Madison. Our "biggest rival" can't change every 10 years...that just doesn't make sense. One man's opinion.
Love the new board. Keep up the good work!!!
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Felt compelled to weigh in with a different perspective. I am not from the Dairyland. The only time I lived there were the 4 glorious years at old MU. So I used to hate all you cheezheads (no offense intended) going on and on about the UW rivalry....cuz the rest of us just didn't care.
However, I have come to embrace it. I still have no personal animosity for the badgers. But it is without question MU's biggest rivalry. For all of the reasons stated above (recruiting, home state, etc.), but especially because of history! If you as differend alums who they think is the biggest rival, it will likely depend on when they were in school. But the one consistent grudge match every year/decade/generation...one guaranteed sell out is always Madison. Our "biggest rival" can't change every 10 years...that just doesn't make sense. One man's opinion.
Love the new board. Keep up the good work!!!
I used to be a casual badger fan, football and basketball but always a die hard MU fan. However, I made the mistake of finding the badger lunatic fan board and man are those guys full of you know what. Since than, I can't stand them as a basketball team and barely acknowledge their football team.
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Felt compelled to weigh in with a different perspective. I am not from the Dairyland. The only time I lived there were the 4 glorious years at old MU. So I used to hate all you cheezheads (no offense intended) going on and on about the UW rivalry....cuz the rest of us just didn't care.
However, I have come to embrace it. I still have no personal animosity for the badgers. But it is without question MU's biggest rivalry. For all of the reasons stated above (recruiting, home state, etc.), but especially because of history! If you as differend alums who they think is the biggest rival, it will likely depend on when they were in school. But the one consistent grudge match every year/decade/generation...one guaranteed sell out is always Madison. Our "biggest rival" can't change every 10 years...that just doesn't make sense. One man's opinion.
Love the new board. Keep up the good work!!!
I used to be a casual badger fan, football and basketball but always a die hard MU fan. However, I made the mistake of finding the badger lunatic fan board and man are those guys full of you know what. Since than, I can't stand them as a basketball team and barely acknowledge their football team.
Oh yes and to quickly add on, Louisville fans are very similar to UW-Madison fans as they just rub you the wrong way and have what seems like a hatred towards MU. Maybe because they have been burned by us numerous times and the Deane fingering pointing didn't help matters either. :D
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I agree that your biggest rival can't change every 10 years and that's why I picked ND. Wisconsin didn't have a high-quality basketball program until the mid-90s.
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I agree that your biggest rival can't change every 10 years and that's why I picked ND. Wisconsin didn't have a high-quality basketball program until the mid-90s.
True but their recent success has them so full of themselves that it is extremely irritating. My dream season this year would be to meet UW-Madison in the Elite 8 and kick their rodent butts up and down the court like we did against Kentucky. It would be so satisfying.
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That's hard to argue with :)
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Quote from: WashDCWarrior on Today at 09:48:21 AM
I agree that your biggest rival can't change every 10 years and that's why I picked ND. Wisconsin didn't have a high-quality basketball program until the mid-90s.
True enough, DC...but there was a dead period where we didn't play the irish. Bucky is new to the scene, but there were some periods over the last 60 years of playing them (rough number, I am sure another fanatic knows the exact length of the rivalry) where we didn't pull our weight.
That's the beauty of a poll question like this...always sparks great conversation.
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this is a great thread.......as a transplanted midwesterner I gotta tell ya - - the UW thing is somewhat lost on me. I see conference foes as more of a rival, DPU/Cincy/Ville.
But I dont have to put up with watercooler conversations like alot of you!
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Here's another way of looking at the question. What schools (if any) consider Marquette their biggest rival. Would DePaul?
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Great twist, DC!
I imagine you would get a similar response from the schools we've listed. There are probably a lot of UW people who hate MU more than anything, despite the lack of a conference connection. (Insert "they are mad cuz they couldn't get into MU" joke here.) They also don't have the marquee conference rival a la OSU/Michigan.
ND, DePaul, L'ville, Cincy all have their own local/conference rivals but some good history with us. The more I think about it, I bet if you poled fans of each of those schools with the question, "Is MU your biggest rival?" The resulting graph would look a lot like the one that started this thread -- most yes's from Wisc and a smattering from other schools. Which is how it should be. If you think someone is a rival and they don't care about you, that is kind of sad. On that note...
I'd expect one difference...based on message board conversations and my own experiences with their student body, I bet there are a lot of UWM fans who would say "yes" MU is a rival. Agree? Sad?
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I guess I figured UW might consider Minnesota a bigger rival, because it's pretty big in football. I'm probably wrong though.
I bet UWM will be a pretty popular answer in a few years if they win a game or two in the upcoming 5 game series. It's kind of scary that if MU goes 4-1 in the series, UWM will feel like winners.
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I would think SLU had it out for us pretty good, and of course we can't forget the kitty cats from Wisconsin State.
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I've been treating this as a "biggest basketball rival" conversation. If you get into all sports, we wouldn't register for ND, stock drops for UW.
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One thing I've taken from everyone's responses is that there are a number of factors that determine a rivalry. Animosity between the teams, series history, how evenly-matched the teams are, same conference. Here's a breakdown on some of the contenders. All time records in parenthesis
Cinci (15-24), L'Ville (23-34)
These 2 can be grouped together becuase they are similar. We've played them a number of times, have losing (but competitive) records against both, still play in their conference, and their games definately have the feel of a rivarly game.
Wisconsin (51-61)
Another losing, but competitive record. The best-in-state title adds a lot of fuel to this rivalry, plus the fact that the outcome plays a hand in in-state recruiting battles. Definately feels like a rivalry.
Notre Dame (32-75)
Non-competitive losing record, although we've had the better of them recently. Games have a good rivalry atmosphere and there's definate animosity on our end. I loved the "thumbs up" MU on front, "middle finger" ND on back t-shirts. Unsure,though, how ND students feel about this rivalry.
Schools we've played a lot and for a long time.
DePaul (61-42), Detroit (60-29), Creighton (48-28), Loyola (46-35), SLU (31-23)
Although we have a storied history with these schools, the games don't have the same rivalry feel as some of the others mentioned. DePaul has a chance to become huge again, especially given that they should have a really good team this year.
Pitt (3-3) G-Town (2-2)
Too young, but definately picking up speed. If all our games are as competitive as last year, these could be topping the chart pretty soon. Plus G-Town and MU (and Gonzaga) are competiting to be the best Jesuit basketball school.
UWM (34-0)
Sorry, but a rivarly needs to be competitive. Yes most of the 34 wins were with UWM as a DII school, but there's still 34 wins. If UWM takes 2 of 5, though, watch out. This could be the type of game that leads to rioting.
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L'Ville (23-34)
I do believe that Crean has a winning record vs. Mr. Slick Rick! I will hate Louisville until he burns them to go to another program.
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I know he's 7-7 against the cardinals, but Pitino might not have been coaching them the entire time.