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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: ozmetal71 on March 16, 2008, 05:29:57 PM
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2nd round matchup against Stanford.
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our seed is perfect.
Gonna be rocky.
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Is that the West?
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Does anyone know how we match up agains KU? What are they're strengths/weaknesses?
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This could be ugly for Marquette.
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Maybe, but I seem to remember we've done well against Kentucky in the past.
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Ugly? It couldn't be any better of a first round match up. Without Patterson there, this is a GREAT match up for MU. Especially in Anaheim.
Stanford in the 2nd round though....uh oh.
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need that 1st round win - dont care about 2nd round
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I tell you what, it will get ugly if we go in there and shoot our traditional 35% for the first half. With that said, it should be fun watching these guys run up and down the court.
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South region, Anaheim games. Love the Kentucky matchup.
Anybody going? Scoring tickets might be tough with UCLA playing on Thursday as well.
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This could be ugly for Marquette.
please explain, they have just as spaz of a coach then us (he just told his player to SWAT a FT, WHAT!) two guards that are good, no where near like ours, and their bigs our hurt... how is this ugly... could you imagine if Kansas St was the 11 seed we were playing.
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Marquette will crush Kentucky. Stanford will be tough, a team with real big men is really going to hit them hard. But as I always say, they shoot between 45 and 50 percent. They can beat just about anyone.
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All I got to say is if we make it past Kentucky and have to play Stanford we are going to have to breakout some kind of full court press. We're going to have to make that game as much as a track meet as possible. Get those 7 footers moving and tired. Attack them and get em' some foul trouble as well.
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I tell you what, it will get ugly if we go in there and shoot our traditional 35% for the first half. With that said, it should be fun watching these guys run up and down the court.
yeah, we do that against anyone its ugly, team doesn't matter then.
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I'd rather have UK than K-State.
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Isn't Stanford a lot like Notre Dame? But let's worry about Kentucky first.
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I'd rather have UK than K-State.
Amen. This is a positive first round matchup for MU.
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Isn't Stanford a lot like Notre Dame? But let's worry about Kentucky first.
They have 2 Harangodys...
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Has Crean got the nads to show UK what they missed out on by not hiring him? A little revenge, maybe?
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Conspiracy:
Selection commitee knows Crean is married to Joani Harbaugh, and set us up with a potential date with Stanford and head football coach Jim Harbaugh...
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Can everyone PLEASE stop talking about Stanford! I would love to beat UK...after all the garbage with Crean going to UK and the trash talking from their fans about our program, coach, etc....it would be a very sweet win.
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Can everyone PLEASE stop talking about Stanford!
Why?
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I'm going! Already got tix confirm from mu. Second year in a row playing at venue nearest me. Ucla will probably get the primerime slot, so I expect our pods to be day games(along with the Stanford game.
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Jay Bilas just said that Marquette would be a very difficult matchup for Stanford. The fast pace and talented guards and lots of ball pressure has given Stanford trouble this year. Then Bobby Knight said that Stanford's size might give MU trouble if they can get the ball inside. Stanford has had some trouble taking care of the ball this year.
I like the setup. Kentucky's RPI is around 54. They just barely got in to the tourney, so they are probably comparable to Villanova.
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Jay Bilas just said that Marquette would be a very difficult matchup for Stanford. The fast pace and talented guards and lots of ball pressure has given Stanford trouble this year. Then Bobby Knight said that Stanford's size might give MU trouble if they can get the ball inside. Stanford has had some trouble taking care of the ball this year.
I like the setup. Kentucky's RPI is around 54. They just barely got in to the tourney, so they are probably comparable to Villanova.
And they are absolutley right. Yes Stanford has two big guys, but I think people sometimes forget that they have to play us as well. We do have playesr who bring a little something to the party.
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Especially considering we could have drawn K-State, I will take MU's chances against UK. UK is without their best player, Patterson, who by the way, was a post player, and they have trouble handling the ball and scoring. Lack of strong post presence and turnover prone plays right into MU's hands.
Stanford will be a very tough matchup. But guess what folks, that is the second round of the tournament. You have to sack up, quit crying, and play whomever you draw. Yes, we will struggle with their bigs. However, we can run with them.
Also, Knight and Bilas like us to play well in that match-up, and they know what they are talking about.
First things first, let's take care of Kentucky. Can Marquette apply for honorary membership in the SEC considering this will be about the ninth time that we will play UK in the NCAA tournament?
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Kentucky is still our bitch.
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Kentucky is still our bitch.
PREACH.
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Especially considering we could have drawn K-State, I will take MU's chances against UK. UK is without their best player, Patterson, who by the way, was a post player, and they have trouble handling the ball and scoring. Lack of strong post presence and turnover prone plays right into MU's hands.
Stanford will be a very tough matchup. But guess what folks, that is the second round of the tournament. You have to sack up, quit crying, and play whomever you draw. Yes, we will struggle with their bigs. However, we can run with them.
Also, Knight and Bilas like us to play well in that match-up, and they know what they are talking about.
First things first, let's take care of Kentucky.
Well said
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I'm very happy with getting a 6. I'm fine with Kentucky - should be a game, but something we can handle if we play well. A little more worried about Standford and their 2 trees in the post, but like someone said earlier, we can beat anybody if we play well. Let's just go out there and play well!
Also I'm very glad we're playing Thursday/Sat - I am going to Tampa to watch Fri/Sat games so I now I can see the whole MU game!
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just quickly looking at the brackets, i think MU got one of the better placements for making it to the Sweet 16. they're matched up against the weakest of the #3 seeds (Xavier, Wisc, & Louisville being the others). Kentucky is strong, but i just have a feeling the push they had was to just make the tournament. Stanford is a team that you just need to make them run, and not set up a half court game; the Lopez twins are a force down low. Stanford will have a following, but that's still UCLA and USC county.
the only placement that i think is better for making it to the Sweet 16 is the Notre Dame v. Geoge Mason & Wash St v. Winthrop bracket.
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please explain, they have just as spaz of a coach then us (he just told his player to SWAT a FT, WHAT!) ....
off topic a bit, but I LOVED THAT CALL! if billy knew that was a technical he wouldn't have done it, but the premise of that call was phenominal. he wanted to dictate how that game was going to end, just like when a coach fouls when his team is up by 3 inthe closing seconds. great coaches dictate!
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just quickly looking at the brackets, i think MU got one of the better placements for making it to the Sweet 16. they're matched up against the weakest of the #3 seeds (Xavier, Wisc, & Louisville being the others). Kentucky is strong, but i just have a feeling the push they had was to just make the tournament. Stanford is a team that you just need to make them run, and not set up a half court game; the Lopez twins are a force down low. Stanford will have a following, but that's still UCLA and USC county.
the only placement that i think is better for making it to the Sweet 16 is the Notre Dame v. Geoge Mason & Wash St v. Winthrop bracket.
Is Xavier a weaker 3 seed than Stanford??
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I'm going! Already got tix confirm from mu. Second year in a row playing at venue nearest me. Ucla will probably get the primerime slot, so I expect our pods to be day games(along with the Stanford game.
Final Four, how did you get tix so fast? Can you send me a PM with details please?
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Yeah - and we have Digger and Vitale saying that KY will knock us off. Thatnk God Bilas knows a lot more that those two.
Whew. It will be a tough game though - no easy win.
GO MARQUETTE!!
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Isn't Stanford a lot like Notre Dame? But let's worry about Kentucky first.
They have 2 Harangodys...
Actually they don't, those guys are good but nowhere near Harangody. One averages 10 points a game and is pretty soft, the other about 18. Their guards are their achilles heel.
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just quickly looking at the brackets, i think MU got one of the better placements for making it to the Sweet 16. they're matched up against the weakest of the #3 seeds (Xavier, Wisc, & Louisville being the others). Kentucky is strong, but i just have a feeling the push they had was to just make the tournament. Stanford is a team that you just need to make them run, and not set up a half court game; the Lopez twins are a force down low. Stanford will have a following, but that's still UCLA and USC county.
the only placement that i think is better for making it to the Sweet 16 is the Notre Dame v. Geoge Mason & Wash St v. Winthrop bracket.
Is Xavier a weaker 3 seed than Stanford??
i don't think so. i've watched both on tv, and in my opinion i think Xavier is stronger than Stanford. but if you let the Lopezs dictate the post, then it's going to be a long day.
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Why does MU always get the Thursday daytime slot??
Let's focus on KY and wait to discuss Stanford.
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Can everyone PLEASE stop talking about Stanford!
Why?
Well.....it seems as if there's another opponent to beat first....just bad karma IMO.
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Can everyone PLEASE stop talking about Stanford!
Why?
Well.....it seems as if there's another opponent to beat first....just bad karma IMO.
Any maybe because the team has laid an egg in every one of their first round matchups under Crean*
I don't like the Kentucky matchup. They have a lot of the same strengths as UConn, Louisville, and Georgetown. Oh, and they also get to the line a lot, which isn't good for a team that fouls too much.
*counts Holy Cross '03 as an egg
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You count a first-round win in the NCAA as "laying an egg"? Wow, you have some high standards. You forget that Holy Cross played Kansas and Kentucky just as tough in the first rounds the previous two years.
Also, how does Kentucky have the same strengths as UL, UConn, or Georgetown? Have you watched UK play this year? Do you know that their best player and post presence, Patterson is out for the season? Also, how they have a seven-man rotation and are as thin as a sheet of magazine paper?
Look at their season, and not the name on the jersey.
Really, we match up extremely well with UK, particularly one missing Patterson.
Sack up. It's tournament time.
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I don't like the Kentucky matchup. They have a lot of the same strengths as UConn, Louisville, and Georgetown.
No they don't. They're nothing like those teams.
With Patterson, and probably Meeks, out, UK has almost no frontcourt production. Their leading frontcourt player in this game, Perry Stevenson, averaged 5.8 ppg and 5.1 boards and is 6-foot-9, 200. Not exactly an intimidating presence like Thabeet or Hibbert.
Their other likely frontcourt starter, Mark Coury, averaged 2.0 ppg and 1.8 rpg.
One more thing ... Kentucky ranked 7th in the 12-team SEC in free throw attempts. In fact, on the season, they shot 63 fewer free throws than their opponents. I'm not sure I'd consider that getting to the line "a lot"
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no secret about the tickets- I am a season ticket holder so I recieved a post season order form few weeks ago- got confirm last week that if mu is there, I get two tixs to Anaheim, two tixs to phoenix , and four tixs to final four
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yes. Against Holy Cross, the team (minus Diener) came out extremely flat. We needed heroics from Diener and Chapman to defeat a fourteen seed.
Here is what Kentucky does well.
Field goal percentage defense, especially 2-point baskets. And they block a lot of shots. That's /exactly/ what UConn, Louisville, and Georgetown all do well.
They also get to the line a lot, where they shoot over 70%. That's not good for a team like Marquette that fouls too much.
The key difference is that KY has much greater weaknesses.
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One more thing ... Kentucky ranked 7th in the 12-team SEC in free throw attempts. In fact, on the season, they shot 63 fewer free throws than their opponents. I'm not sure I'd consider that getting to the line "a lot"
Kentucky also plays one of the slowest paces in D1 (64 possessions / game), which is 281st. They have a Free Throw Rate (FTA / FGA) of 30%, which is #25 in the country.
On a per-possession view of Free Throws, they do get to the line a lot. Thank you for allowing me to demonstrate why traditional statistics are limited.
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The lesson here, clearly, is: NEVER QUESTION THE SUGAR ;D
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One more thing ... Kentucky ranked 7th in the 12-team SEC in free throw attempts. In fact, on the season, they shot 63 fewer free throws than their opponents. I'm not sure I'd consider that getting to the line "a lot"
Kentucky also plays one of the slowest paces in D1 (64 possessions / game), which is 281st. They have a Free Throw Rate (FTA / FGA) of 30%, which is #25 in the country.
On a per-possession view of Free Throws, they do get to the line a lot. Thank you for allowing me to demonstrate why traditional statistics are limited.
Getting to the free throw line "a lot" and having a high rate of free throws attempted per field goal attempted is not the same thing.
It's akin to saying a batter with .300 average "gets a lot of hits", ignoring the fact he has only 30 hits in 100 at bats.
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One more thing ... Kentucky ranked 7th in the 12-team SEC in free throw attempts. In fact, on the season, they shot 63 fewer free throws than their opponents. I'm not sure I'd consider that getting to the line "a lot"
Kentucky also plays one of the slowest paces in D1 (64 possessions / game), which is 281st. They have a Free Throw Rate (FTA / FGA) of 30%, which is #25 in the country.
On a per-possession view of Free Throws, they do get to the line a lot. Thank you for allowing me to demonstrate why traditional statistics are limited.
Getting to the free throw line "a lot" and having a high rate of free throws attempted per field goal attempted is not the same thing.
It's akin to saying a batter with .300 average "gets a lot of hits", ignoring the fact he has only 30 hits in 100 at bats.
to stick my nose in on this....
but that batter who is 30 out of 100 won't be ranked until he reaches a certain number of at-bats.
without hitting stats like Sugar, the educated assumtion (if there is such a thing) would say that UK would need to reach a specific mark to qualify as #? in the country, as most other % stats.
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A simply fact trumps the statisics:
Patrick Patterson and his 16.4 points, 7.7 rebounds, and 1.2 blocks/gm, are all gone. The same is true about his 119 free throw attempts and Kentucky's ability to throw it into the post and eat up time.
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A simply fact trumps the statisics:
Patrick Patterson and his 16.4 points, 7.7 rebounds, and 1.2 blocks/gm, are all gone. The same is true about his 119 free throw attempts and Kentucky's ability to throw it into the post and eat up time.
Average Free Throw Rate for Kentucky in March = 51%. They're still getting to the line at a high rate without Patterson.
Kentucky is not a good team, but they do some things well. The things that they do well are a bad matchup for Marquette.
Luckily for us, they turn the ball over at a high rate and aren't very good at rebounding.
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Marquette will crush Kentucky. Stanford will be tough, a team with real big men is really going to hit them hard. But as I always say, they shoot between 45 and 50 percent. They can beat just about anyone.
They can shoot 45 - 50 if they keep up the fast breaks by getting their turnovers and offensive rebounds in order to shoot the high percentage shots.
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ND & G-town were bad match-ups for MU as well, but we've held our own in those games and they're much, much better teams. The key, I think, isn't really about the match-ups, it's how MU comes out of the locker room. If we're flat & get behind big in the 1st half - big trouble. But if we don't settle for jumpshots and dictate the pace of the game, we should be fine.