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MUScoop => The Superbar => Topic started by: tower912 on June 08, 2023, 07:59:34 AM
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RIP
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In before the lock
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In before the lock
Lol.
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Tower,
You magnificent bastard
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;D
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I respect Mr Robertson for building his religious empire from a background of being broke.
https://apnews.com/article/pat-robertson-dead-christian-broadcasting-700-club-91299d0953c014ca6860fe545cac793e
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I respect Mr Robertson for building his religious empire from a background of being broke.
https://apnews.com/article/pat-robertson-dead-christian-broadcasting-700-club-91299d0953c014ca6860fe545cac793e
One of the world’s greatest grifters. Incredible discipline is required in a con that goes that long.
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Building a "religious empire."
Just as Jesus intended.
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Wherever he is, at least he's safe from hurricanes and earthquakes.
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Wherever he is, at least he's safe from hurricanes and earthquakes.
But not from raging fires
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The Rev. Robertson pioneered something that had been done locally but never before on a national basis:
Make religion into a global corporate entity. Before, most Protestant religions were the equivalent of storefront grocery stores. The Rev. Robertson was the guy who invented the religious version of Kroger for the Protestant set (Catholicism was the Walmart of Christianity!).
Sure Billy Graham came before the Rev. Robertson. The Rev. Graham's vice was hubris. He was more interested in being "pastor to the presidents" than he was in profiting off religion. He needed money but, in the Rev. Graham's defense, money was what it was supposed to be in a religion: a means to spread the word.
Nope, it's the Rev. Robertson that taught how profitable God could be. He, in turn, beget Jerry Falwell, Jim and Tammy Fae Bakker, Jimmy Swaggert and Joel Osteen. All had their own way of making millions. I think their message was, "If Rome can do it, why can't I?" What distinguishes them from Rome is the Catholic Church is the largest NGO provider of social services in the world.
As a Roman Catholic, ex-Southerner who grew up in the buckle of the bible belt, I always found the Rev. Robertson and Jerry Falwell entertaining. Sadly, there were way too many people who put their faith in the hands of these comedic swindlers.
Robertson and Falwell in particular were the modern day versions of the Bishops, Priests and Monks who sold indulgences back in the middle ages.
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Nope, it's the Rev. Robertson that taught how profitable God could be. He, in turn, beget Jerry Falwell, Jim and Tammy Fae Bakker, Jimmy Swaggert and Joel Osteen. All had their own way of making millions. I think their message was, "If Rome can do it, why can't I?" What distinguishes them from Rome is the Catholic Church is the largest NGO provider of social services in the world.
Your are really going to piss off the anti-Catholics here with facts like that.
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Your are really going to piss off the anti-Catholics here with facts like that.
Dur hur altar boys dur hur hur.
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What distinguishes them from Rome is the Catholic Church is the largest NGO provider of social services in the world.
Curious as to your source for this info.
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Curious as to your source for this info.
https://www.humanrightscareers.com/issues/biggest-ngos-in-the-world/
In 2021, CRS reached 193 million people in 116 countries. That includes providing over USD 75 million in cash and vouchers for displaced people in Gaza; restoring 503,096 acres of land in Central America; and helping 221,396 children and adolescents with HIV get treatment. CRS’ total operating revenue was USD 1,191,928 in 2021. 93.5% is spent on program services with 6.5 spent on support services like fundraising and general administration.
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The Rev. Robertson pioneered something that had been done locally but never before on a national basis:
Make religion into a global corporate entity. Before, most Protestant religions were the equivalent of storefront grocery stores. The Rev. Robertson was the guy who invented the religious version of Kroger for the Protestant set (Catholicism was the Walmart of Christianity!).
Sure Billy Graham came before the Rev. Robertson. The Rev. Graham's vice was hubris. He was more interested in being "pastor to the presidents" than he was in profiting off religion. He needed money but, in the Rev. Graham's defense, money was what it was supposed to be in a religion: a means to spread the word.
Nope, it's the Rev. Robertson that taught how profitable God could be. He, in turn, beget Jerry Falwell, Jim and Tammy Fae Bakker, Jimmy Swaggert and Joel Osteen. All had their own way of making millions. I think their message was, "If Rome can do it, why can't I?" What distinguishes them from Rome is the Catholic Church is the largest NGO provider of social services in the world.
As a Roman Catholic, ex-Southerner who grew up in the buckle of the bible belt, I always found the Rev. Robertson and Jerry Falwell entertaining. Sadly, there were way too many people who put their faith in the hands of these comedic swindlers.
Robertson and Falwell in particular were the modern day versions of the Bishops, Priests and Monks who sold indulgences back in the middle ages.
I had some profitable business dealings with Dr . Falwell in the early days of Liberty University. Was a very smart guy and always had fair dealings with him.
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I had some profitable business dealings with Dr . Falwell in the early days of Liberty University. Was a very smart guy and always had fair dealings with him.
So, you got grifted. Call me. I have some business proposals
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https://www.humanrightscareers.com/issues/biggest-ngos-in-the-world/
In 2021, CRS reached 193 million people in 116 countries. That includes providing over USD 75 million in cash and vouchers for displaced people in Gaza; restoring 503,096 acres of land in Central America; and helping 221,396 children and adolescents with HIV get treatment. CRS’ total operating revenue was USD 1,191,928 in 2021. 93.5% is spent on program services with 6.5 spent on support services like fundraising and general administration.
I'm not sure that really answers, but thanks for the info.
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https://www.humanrightscareers.com/issues/biggest-ngos-in-the-world/
In 2021, CRS reached 193 million people in 116 countries. That includes providing over USD 75 million in cash and vouchers for displaced people in Gaza; restoring 503,096 acres of land in Central America; and helping 221,396 children and adolescents with HIV get treatment. CRS’ total operating revenue was USD 1,191,928 in 2021. 93.5% is spent on program services with 6.5 spent on support services like fundraising and general administration.
Kind of interesting that you claim they are the largest, but when you click the link you provided, CRS is listed #7.
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I had some profitable business dealings with Dr . Falwell in the early days of Liberty University. Was a very smart guy and always had fair dealings with him.
There is it. MUFINY everywhere, with everyone, all the time.
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Kind of interesting that you claim they are the largest, but when you click the link you provided, CRS is listed #7.
That article doesn't say which one is the largest. Those are not any kind of rankings
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There is it. MUFINY everywhere, with everyone, all the time.
Your jealousy is palpable, 🐷🐷.
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There is it. MUFINY everywhere, with everyone, all the time.
I've come to respect Herm's commitment to the bit. He's Scoop's Andy Kaufman.
(Coming soon: A post about that time Herm had drinks with Andy Kaufman.)
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That article doesn't say which one is the largest. Those are not any kind of rankings
Huh. Yeah it says “what are the largest” but then describes 15 of them by number. Weird.
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There is it. MUFINY everywhere, with everyone, all the time.
Hopefully he wasn’t with Jerry when Jerry and his mom made that visit to the outhouse
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Huh. Yeah it says “what are the largest” but then describes 15 of them by number. Weird.
Yep: It states:
Which ones are the biggest? This article describes 15 influential NGOs located in places like the United States, Europe, and South Asia.
Which, of course, has nothing to do with size.Save the children is not the world's largest ngo. Articles I have read state BRAC is.
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Kind of interesting that you claim they are the largest, but when you click the link you provided, CRS is listed #7.
First of all, I'm not a go**amn researcher. I read the fact at one point, probably in the Chicago Tribune, Wall Street Journal or NBC Nightly News, and retained it. Unlike some in here, I've got better things to do with my day than research every single time someone challenges a fact. Go look it up yourself if you think I'm wrong. But I challenge you to find an NGO that's reaching more than 193 million people in 116 countries.
Good luck!
Secondly, I don't know if the list is ranked. Nor do I terribly care. What I see is a huge group of people of are devoting their lives to serving others. A group of people if you came out of an anti-Catholic, woke haze, you'd realize that they're doing exactly what classic liberal theory wants us to do -- take care of the folks in our world most in need. This is a huge wealth transfer from those of us who "have it" to those of us who "need it." Guess what: You don't need a government to do that! Americans -- and Catholics for that matter -- are among the most generous people on Earth!
I get that people hate the Roman Catholic Church (which begs the question of why they are in this room and why they went to Marquette). Pedophilia clouds peoples vision. And, for the record, I saw it up close in the 1970s at my high school. But you don't throw the baby out with the bathwater. I get that others don't like Catholics because, well, our stand on life (including opposition to the Death Penalty). But for the sake of millions around the world who need CRS, don't denigrate the work they do.
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Pedophilia clouds peoples vision.
Crazy, right?
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First of all, I'm not a go**amn researcher. I read the fact at one point, probably in the Chicago Tribune, Wall Street Journal or NBC Nightly News, and retained it. Unlike some in here, I've got better things to do with my day than research every single time someone challenges a fact. Go look it up yourself if you think I'm wrong. But I challenge you to find an NGO that's reaching more than 193 million people in 116 countries.
Good luck!
Secondly, I don't know if the list is ranked. Nor do I terribly care. What I see is a huge group of people of are devoting their lives to serving others. A group of people if you came out of an anti-Catholic, woke haze, you'd realize that they're doing exactly what classic liberal theory wants us to do -- take care of the folks in our world most in need. This is a huge wealth transfer from those of us who "have it" to those of us who "need it." Guess what: You don't need a government to do that! Americans -- and Catholics for that matter -- are among the most generous people on Earth!
I get that people hate the Roman Catholic Church (which begs the question of why they are in this room and why they went to Marquette). Pedophilia clouds peoples vision. And, for the record, I saw it up close in the 1970s at my high school. But you don't throw the baby out with the bathwater. I get that others don't like Catholics because, well, our stand on life (including opposition to the Death Penalty). But for the sake of millions around the world who need CRS, don't denigrate the work they do.
Calm the f*ck down. I already said I didn’t realize the list wasn’t ranked and never said anything about the Catholic Church.
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Ah yes, the anti-catholic woke haze. Uh huh.
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Ah yes, the anti-catholic woke haze. Uh huh.
People forget Catholics built roads
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Weirdest, most disconcerting thing about Robertson was going by Pat his entire life cause his brother patted him on the cheeks as a baby.
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Calling for an investigation into the longevity of Henry Kissinger
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First of all, I'm not a go**amn researcher. I read the fact at one point, probably in the Chicago Tribune, Wall Street Journal or NBC Nightly News, and retained it. Unlike some in here, I've got better things to do with my day than research every single time someone challenges a fact. Go look it up yourself if you think I'm wrong. But I challenge you to find an NGO that's reaching more than 193 million people in 116 countries.
Good luck!
Secondly, I don't know if the list is ranked. Nor do I terribly care. What I see is a huge group of people of are devoting their lives to serving others. A group of people if you came out of an anti-Catholic, woke haze, you'd realize that they're doing exactly what classic liberal theory wants us to do -- take care of the folks in our world most in need. This is a huge wealth transfer from those of us who "have it" to those of us who "need it." Guess what: You don't need a government to do that! Americans -- and Catholics for that matter -- are among the most generous people on Earth!
I get that people hate the Roman Catholic Church (which begs the question of why they are in this room and why they went to Marquette). Pedophilia clouds peoples vision. And, for the record, I saw it up close in the 1970s at my high school. But you don't throw the baby out with the bathwater. I get that others don't like Catholics because, well, our stand on life (including opposition to the Death Penalty). But for the sake of millions around the world who need CRS, don't denigrate the work they do.
Well said. These days people are too lazy to get the whole story and just read the headlines. There a pedophiles everywhere, so the Catholic Church is not even close to being unique. Some people in the Church handled it horribly wrong. They should and have been put in prison. I think that is the major cause of anger towards the Church. That is understandable.
Protecting podophiles has never been the mission of the Church (it was of some Church leaders), it was/is a major black eye but is hardly the whole story of the Church and it is a good institution to be celebrated and recognized as such.
Protecting and preserving slavery was never the mission of the United States (it was of the Democratic Party), it was a major black eye but hardly tells the whole story of the US and it is a good county to be celebrated and recognized as such.
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“Some people handled it horribly wrong?”
Cmon… These weren’t exactly isolated incidents. These were systematic cover ups. Look I think the Church has done a lot to reconcile and does a lot of good in the world. But that’s not minimize what happened here.
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Weirdest, most disconcerting thing about Robertson was going by Pat his entire life cause his brother patted him on the cheeks as a baby.
It was either that or go by his given name of Marion. I think he made the right decision.
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Protecting podophiles has never been the mission of the Church (it was of some Church leaders), it was/is a major black eye but is hardly the whole story of the Church and it is a good institution to be celebrated and recognized as such
Yeah, it's totally unfair to focus just on child sex abuse when the church has had so many other horrific moments.
Like, the Inquisition. Turning a blind eye to the Holocaust. Indulgences. Burnings at the stake. Crusades II-IV. Abuse of indigenous populations in North America.
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I saw an announcement about his death.
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Catholic Relief Services is a group I donate to every year, they do tons of good work, and I know the head of Catholic Extension, they also do great work in the US, so they are on my list as well. It was partly how my own parish became involved in Katrina relief work, which I had personal involvement with.
And in fairness, while one can fault the hierarchy and some clergy for their actions during the Holocaust, many other priests and nuns put their lives on the line to save lives or do other acts resisting the Nazis.
I will not miss Pat Robertson.
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I saw an announcement about his death.
Robertson clearly died because god took revenge against swindlers who grifted in her name. And Pat's now spending eternity emceeing Pride events in Dayton.
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It was either that or go by his given name of Marion. I think he made the right decision.
He believed Marion was very effeminate. There are a lot of people who go by a name other than their legal first name.
Examples… Rachel on Vanderpump goes by Raquel. MU82 goes by Desiree, but only when at the bathhouse
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Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself.
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I try to live by that. However, I am full of self loathing, so....
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Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself.
#endtimes
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Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself.
So woke.
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So woke.
#endtimes
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Ted Kaczynski has died, too.
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Ted Kaczynski has died, too.
Good
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Ted Kaczynski has died, too.
Shoutout to Evergreen Park High School
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Crazy, right?
you must be anti education, anti boys and girl scouts, anti child care, anti michigan state gymnastics...whatever organization has had a miscreant associated with it then, right?
pedophiles rob banks because that is where the "money' is buddy
if you find them in an organization you don't like to begin with, then ta hell wit them all, eyn'a?
no doubt there may even be a few pedophiles in the legal profession, no?
oh, what do we have here?
https://www.reuters.com/legal/legalindustry/washington-high-court-says-convicted-sex-offender-can-practice-law-2022-11-03/
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you must be anti education, anti boys and girl scouts, anti child care, anti michigan state gymnastics...whatever organization has had a miscreant associated with it then, right?
pedophiles rob banks because that is where the "money' is buddy
if you find them in an organization you don't like to begin with, then ta hell wit them all, eyn'a?
no doubt there may even be a few pedophiles in the legal profession, no?
oh, what do we have here?
https://www.reuters.com/legal/legalindustry/washington-high-court-says-convicted-sex-offender-can-practice-law-2022-11-03/
8 out of 10
Excellent whataboutism and good use of air quotes.
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Sorry, had to resurrect this thread since I didn't get to comment that this man was a scummy, bigot, thief.
May he rot in the ground as an example of the opposite of what a true Christian is.
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Sorry, had to resurrect this thread since I didn't get to comment that this man was a scummy, bigot, thief.
May he rot in the ground as an example of the opposite of what a true Christian is.
Finally, Hards-god has judged him and he can move on from purgatory.
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Finally, Hards-god has judged him and he can move on from purgatory.
Oh if only I had that power.
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https://kenoshacountyeye.com/2023/06/26/local-minister-chaplain-faces-100-years-in-prison-for-child-sexual-assault/
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https://kenoshacountyeye.com/2023/06/26/local-minister-chaplain-faces-100-years-in-prison-for-child-sexual-assault/
I blame trans people.
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I blame trans people.
Hey now, I work in transportation bud.
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https://kenoshacountyeye.com/2023/06/26/local-minister-chaplain-faces-100-years-in-prison-for-child-sexual-assault/
https://www.dailyherald.com/news/20230628/child-porn-suspect-was-pastor-of-geneva-area-church
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Hey now, I work in transportation bud.
Superbly done.
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OK, some of you have raised questions about the foibles of religion. Your recollection is right on. But understand this:
Religion is man-made. It's based on a premise that interprets God's word in a way that allows human beings to lead better lives and attain Heaven in the after-life. Religion is nothing more than a consulting service for human beings around the world. With rare exception any more, no church has the power to compel us to do anything. That's as true for the late Rev. Robertson as it was for the late Pope John Paul II.
Because religion is a human institution, it has the weaknesses of humanity built into it. Greed, lust, gluttony, pride and a host of other vices are a part of any corporate, governmental, social or religious organization. You try to control it and people, like my parents generation, try to pretend it did not exist. But because our religious organizations are of man and for man and not of God, you always will have sin. Find me someone who professes to be perfect and, if nothing else, she's committing the sin of hubris.
Having faced down a predatory pedophile as he physically beat the crap out of us in class in the 1970s, I've got every reason in the world to be angry with the Roman Catholic Church. Our Bishop at the time was a fine man who stood up against segregation and march with Martin Luther King the day before he died, but he was incredibly weak on dealing with the Richards/McKeown pedophilia problems. As a consequence, he transferred them around the Diocese on grounds of "forgiveness." It was BS, but perhaps they were themselves ignorant. I'll let God decide that one. She's better equipped to deal with it than I am.
But what I learned is that when an organization does good, you don't throw the baby out with the bathwater. I did not see the kind of good in the Rev. Robertson's organization that I did in the Catholic Church. Pope Francis is everything Part Robertson wasn't -- humble, forgiving, loving and caring to everyone, even sinners and those who aren't part of the Catholic flock.
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OK, some of you have raised questions about the foibles of religion. Your recollection is right on. But understand this:
Religion is man-made. It's based on a premise that interprets God's word in a way that allows human beings to lead better lives and attain Heaven in the after-life. Religion is nothing more than a consulting service for human beings around the world. With rare exception any more, no church has the power to compel us to do anything. That's as true for the late Rev. Robertson as it was for the late Pope John Paul II.
Because religion is a human institution, it has the weaknesses of humanity built into it. Greed, lust, gluttony, pride and a host of other vices are a part of any corporate, governmental, social or religious organization. You try to control it and people, like my parents generation, try to pretend it did not exist. But because our religious organizations are of man and for man and not of God, you always will have sin. Find me someone who professes to be perfect and, if nothing else, she's committing the sin of hubris.
Having faced down a predatory pedophile as he physically beat the crap out of us in class in the 1970s, I've got every reason in the world to be angry with the Roman Catholic Church. Our Bishop at the time was a fine man who stood up against segregation and march with Martin Luther King the day before he died, but he was incredibly weak on dealing with the Richards/McKeown pedophilia problems. As a consequence, he transferred them around the Diocese on grounds of "forgiveness." It was BS, but perhaps they were themselves ignorant. I'll let God decide that one. She's better equipped to deal with it than I am.
But what I learned is that when an organization does good, you don't throw the baby out with the bathwater. I did not see the kind of good in the Rev. Robertson's organization that I did in the Catholic Church. Pope Francis is everything Part Robertson wasn't -- humble, forgiving, loving and caring to everyone, even sinners and those who aren't part of the Catholic flock.
Yeah, but Pat Robertson was just a charlatan. Much like a lot of the televangelists of his day and the current day. There is a sucker born every minute, and these men predated on people searching for salvation. I can think of few lower ways of getting rich.
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OK, some of you have raised questions about the foibles of religion. Your recollection is right on. But understand this:
Religion is man-made. It's based on a premise that interprets God's word in a way that allows human beings to lead better lives and attain Heaven in the after-life. Religion is nothing more than a consulting service for human beings around the world. With rare exception any more, no church has the power to compel us to do anything. That's as true for the late Rev. Robertson as it was for the late Pope John Paul II.
Because religion is a human institution, it has the weaknesses of humanity built into it. Greed, lust, gluttony, pride and a host of other vices are a part of any corporate, governmental, social or religious organization. You try to control it and people, like my parents generation, try to pretend it did not exist. But because our religious organizations are of man and for man and not of God, you always will have sin. Find me someone who professes to be perfect and, if nothing else, she's committing the sin of hubris.
Having faced down a predatory pedophile as he physically beat the crap out of us in class in the 1970s, I've got every reason in the world to be angry with the Roman Catholic Church. Our Bishop at the time was a fine man who stood up against segregation and march with Martin Luther King the day before he died, but he was incredibly weak on dealing with the Richards/McKeown pedophilia problems. As a consequence, he transferred them around the Diocese on grounds of "forgiveness." It was BS, but perhaps they were themselves ignorant. I'll let God decide that one. She's better equipped to deal with it than I am.
But what I learned is that when an organization does good, you don't throw the baby out with the bathwater. I did not see the kind of good in the Rev. Robertson's organization that I did in the Catholic Church. Pope Francis is everything Part Robertson wasn't -- humble, forgiving, loving and caring to everyone, even sinners and those who aren't part of the Catholic flock.
Pat Robertson worked hard to get Ronald Reagan elected . This outcome materially changed the economic trajectory of our country for the better over the next 30ish years
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Pat Robertson worked hard to get Ronald Reagan elected . This outcome materially changed the economic trajectory of our country for the better over the next 30ish years
Sure. But for the influence of Pat Robertson, Reagan may have won only 40 states instead of 44.
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Sure. But for the influence of Pat Robertson, Reagan may have won only 40 states instead of 44.
source?
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Pat Robertson worked hard to get Ronald Reagan elected . This outcome materially changed the economic trajectory of our country for the better over the next 30ish years
LOL
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Sure. But for the influence of Pat Robertson, Reagan may have won only 40 states instead of 44.
Yep, and without Pat’s influence in 1984 Reagan wins the same 49 he actually won.
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Pat Robertson worked hard to get Ronald Reagan elected . This outcome materially changed the economic trajectory of our country for the better over the next 30ish years
So, you willingly gave money to him is what you’re saying?