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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: tower912 on May 25, 2023, 05:59:23 AM
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https://www.instagram.com/reel/CsjZHTegter/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA%3D%3D
He is working on it. It would be nice if this was unedited and he was just making it rain.
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Good to see him working on it, but man does he need to get his release point higher. Sean could get a hand on that shot...
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Working out there, I'm sure he'll have Markus Howard type form in no time.
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Good to see him working on it, but man does he need to get his release point higher. Sean could get a hand on that shot...
No kidding. He's shooting from his chin. No wonder why Oso never shoots 3s in games.
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If he puts in the work, refines his form and release, and can hit 35% ish percent from 3, he will play in the league. Frame, size, ball handling, passing, mind.... just hit an average percentage from 3.
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He doesn't need a high, quick release. If he can hit the shot when a defender is in the middle of the paint while he's at the top of the key, it's a game changer. It's not like Sanogo was curling off screens and knocking down 3s with a trailing defender going over the top of the screen. He made defenses pay when they just ignored him at the top of the key. It completely changed how the national championship might have gone.
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Last year he had that weird, hybrid push shot from the free throw line. If he could just develop a functional mid range game it would be a bonus. He’s really good already.
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Yeah, it would be nice if the form was better.
But for a player like Oso not sure how it matters much. Whatever allows him to make some wide open ones to make the D honest.
He isnt going to be taking 3s with guys in his face and through movement. It will be wide open 3s when Ds sag on him.
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He doesn't need a high, quick release.
Not this year. But if he has pro aspirations he will.
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Not this year. But if he has pro aspirations he will.
It would definitely help. But he'll never be a 3 point sniper. The 3s he'll be taking for the rest of his career will be the wide open 3s he'll get. PJ Tucker kind of has a similar form, although PJ's comes up more on the side.
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He doesn't need a high, quick release. If he can hit the shot when a defender is in the middle of the paint while he's at the top of the key, it's a game changer. It's not like Sanogo was curling off screens and knocking down 3s with a trailing defender going over the top of the screen. He made defenses pay when they just ignored him at the top of the key. It completely changed how the national championship might have gone.
Great point.
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Last year he had that weird, hybrid push shot from the free throw line. If he could just develop a functional mid range game it would be a bonus. He’s really good already.
I will say it again…..no one in this offense is working on their mid range jumper.
Who shoots mid range jumpers on this team?
No one. You look for a cutter or an open 3.
Oso shot that push shot from 3’ in front of the FT line. And when he did, he was leaning as much as he could towards the basket to make it as high of a % shot as he could.
3s, layups and dunks.
3s, layups and dunks.
3s, layups and dunks.
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Oso, watch a highlight reel of Kevin Garnett. KG’s form from 12-18’. Do it Do it.
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He is really good but offensively he was brought to another level because of Kolek's vision and passing. Oso needs to keep working on a lot despite having a great repertoire of skills already.
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I will say it again…..no one in this offense is working on their mid range jumper.
Who shoots mid range jumpers on this team?
No one. You look for a cutter or an open 3.
Oso shot that push shot from 3’ in front of the FT line. And when he did, he was leaning as much as he could towards the basket to make it as high of a % shot as he could.
3s, layups and dunks.
3s, layups and dunks.
3s, layups and dunks.
I agree for the most part. But a few games this year, incl Mich State, often left us open from mid range only for us to drive into a bunch of traffic at the rim. If we are not going to take mid range shots then the team needs to determine what to do in these situations.
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I will say it again…..no one in this offense is working on their mid range jumper.
Who shoots mid range jumpers on this team?
No one. You look for a cutter or an open 3.
Oso shot that push shot from 3’ in front of the FT line. And when he did, he was leaning as much as he could towards the basket to make it as high of a % shot as he could.
3s, layups and dunks.
3s, layups and dunks.
3s, layups and dunks.
This is true, but can't say I entirely agree with it. In end of game or end of shot clock situations, you need guys that can take what the D is giving them (probably a mid range shot) and have that shot in their arsenal to go get a bucket. It's how MSU put us away in the final minutes of our tournament game, tough shot making by their guards. At the end of the day, every team needs a guy who is comfortable taking those shots, even if it isn't a regular feature of the offense.
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https://www.instagram.com/reel/CsjZHTegter/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA%3D%3D
He is working on it. It would be nice if this was unedited and he was just making it rain.
100% of those are getting blocked.
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Because scoopers WANT us to shoot the mid range jumper, doesn’t mean we will.
It is not a part of MU’s offense whether people like it or not.
Nevada ran a top 5 offense last year.
Until that is no longer the case, I won’t question him.
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100% of those are getting blocked.
Doubt he'll be looking to take a contested 3 with a guy in his face. If he can start knocking down the occasional open look and drawing his defender out to the arc, at the very least it has the potential to open up the floor.
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All he needs is to shoot it well enough to make a wide open 3 off a pick n pop action, which his form is perfectly fine for. And eventually if he shows he's a threat that will just confuse defenses more on those actions and give Kolek and Kam more room to operate off the screen.
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If Oso can hit a 3 next season, he could take them underhand because he will be that wide open. No one will his challenge him, especially if has not wasted his dribble. There will not be a team willing to challenge that shot with is ballhandling and play making skills.
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If Oso can hit a 3 next season, he could take them underhand because he will be that wide open. No one will his challenge him, especially if has not wasted his dribble. There will not be a team willing to challenge that shot with is ballhandling and play making skills.
Exactly...if you don't give him a step 90% of those defending him will be in trouble...being able to go 5-out with Oso in the game would be a big deal.
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Not.....going.....to.....happen
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Not.....going.....to.....happen
He needs to bang on the inside and shoot a few 10’ jump shots, maybe mix in a skyhook, imo.
I’d like to see him eat more bacon and steak and get bigger. Feed Oso and then feed the post!
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Oso has the potential to be our best long-range shooting big man since Mike Davis. That might get us into the 2nd weekend of the NCAAs...
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Not.....going.....to.....happen
Sh1t...after seeing this...I'm prop betting the hell out of Oso 3-makes next year.
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Oso has the potential to be our best long-range shooting big man since Mike Davis. That might get us into the 2nd weekend of the NCAAs...
Throwing shade on Mike Kinsella? smh
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Looks like Steve Novak.
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100% of those are getting blocked.
Not if Omax is guarding him. Bad block percentage.
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Throwing shade on Mike Kinsella? smh
Jarrod Lovett
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Did you see any of Sanogo's 3s this past year? it will be like that.
Or like Theo John his senior season.
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Doubt he'll be looking to take a contested 3 with a guy in his face. If he can start knocking down the occasional open look and drawing his defender out to the arc, at the very least it has the potential to open up the floor.
Sanogo last year took threes when he was left wide open. This would be the only way Oso is going to shoot a three. They will leave him wide open until he shows he actually is a threat.
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There is zero chance anyone will contest his three point shooting regardless of how many he makes. He is too fast, good of a ball handler for anyone to challenge him. Again, he can take a set shot or shot underhanded and not get it blocked. Only way he would be contested would be by mistake.
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I agree with those who say his release point is fine for any 3-pointers he actually would take.
He's not gonna be James Harden, taking step-back 3s with a defender in his face; he's gonna be wide open.
Would love to see him be a threat with this exact shooting form, if that's what he's comfortable with and that's what he can make.
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Good to see him working on it, but man does he need to get his release point higher. Sean could get a hand on that shot...
Shooting form critics on scoop are the best….
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If Oso can become a minor threat from three my expectations go up quite a bit, even without an Omax replacement. That would be a big weapon to add and I am talking about him stretching the defense more than him becoming a sniper.
Anyone concerned about his form are missing the big picture. Truthfully, I think this could be game changer for the team next season. I thought they would need a new wrinkle on offense to match last season and this could be it.
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Shooting form critics on scoop are the best….
It doesn't take a genius to see that the form needs work and the release is low.
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It kind of reminds me of Shawn Marion.
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If Oso can become a minor threat from three my expectations go up quite a bit, even without an Omax replacement. That would be a big weapon to add and I am talking about him stretching the defense more than him becoming a sniper.
Anyone concerned about his form are missing the big picture. Truthfully, I think this could be game changer for the team next season. I thought they would need a new wrinkle on offense to match last season and this could be it.
I agree the threat of a three from Oso could be transformative for the offense. I also hope that he is working on the fifteen to 18 foot shot. I fully understand that the goal is to shoot at the rim or from 3, however, there are so many occasions where teams could sag off Oso when he was at the free throw line or just a bit deeper. He is a passing threat from there, but when teams sagged the cutting and passing lanes are nearly eliminated. I'm not sure the form he is apparently working on would be effective from 15-18 feet, but time will tell. No reason not to trust the development program at this point.
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Hards
Of course his shooting form is not textbook, but neither is his skill set. The only way he will ever take a three is if he is wide open and he will be wide open often. He can shoot one handed from the side of his head and I would not care. If he can make outside shots it changes things in a big way for next season, imo.
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My shooting firm is awful but the results are elite. He’ll be fine.
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My shooting firm is awful but the results are elite. He’ll be fine.
Is it an an LLC, S-Corp, C-Corp?
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My shooting firm is awful but the results are elite. He’ll be fine.
What is the manor of your shooting firm?
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Is it an an LLC, S-Corp, C-Corp?
No hyphen, but an S Corp
Guys, my phone’s autocorrect gets me sometimes. Sorry.
(Last night it changed teams to trans… ooops)
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Ha.
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It kind of reminds me of Shawn Marion.
Good call, ld77.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-H0EjcoMZRk
Career 33% from behind the arc, though it trailed off after he left Phoenix.
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I think he will get the chance to show even more versatility this season. With OMax gone, I think that Oso will guard more wings and shoot more 3's. Showcasing for next year's draft.
We will be debating where Oso is getting drafted a year from now.
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I think he will get the chance to show even more versatility this season. With OMax gone, I think that Oso will guard more wings and shoot more 3's. Showcasing for next year's draft.
We will be debating where Oso is getting drafted a year from now.
Who's guarding the opposing bigs then?
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I am not saying this is the base. Plus, last season Joplin defended the post better than the wing. I think the coaches will find more ways to use and showcase his versatility.
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I am not saying this is the base. Plus, last season Joplin defended the post better than the wing. I think the coaches will find more ways to use and showcase his versatility.
I certainly think he's capable of it. I just don't see the personnel around him to allow for it.
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My shooting firm is awful but the results are elite. He’ll be fine.
I only see the shots you make, kin... but you ain't wrong.
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Hards
Of course his shooting form is not textbook, but neither is his skill set. The only way he will ever take a three is if he is wide open and he will be wide open often. He can shoot one handed from the side of his head and I would not care. If he can make outside shots it changes things in a big way for next season, imo.
If no one is guarding Oso outside of 15 feet this shot will still probably get blocked. It takes a long time to develop and is fired from very low. If he starts making a couple then I'll get excited. Also, it would be nice if this was just the start of the work he is doing... since it is only May he will have plenty of time to improve.
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If no one is guarding Oso outside of 15 feet this shot will still probably get blocked. It takes a long time to develop and is fired from very low. If he starts making a couple then I'll get excited. Also, it would be nice if this was just the start of the work he is doing... since it is only May he will have plenty of time to improve.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oV3k5foOpX8
These aren't exactly the picture of quick, high, pretty release. Oso's shot in his workouts is much quicker than Sanogo's, and Sanogo's was enough to completely change this game and the Creighton game.
Will he be hitting three 3 pointers per game? No. Does he need to? Also no.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oV3k5foOpX8
These aren't exactly the picture of quick, high, pretty release. Oso's shot in his workouts is much quicker than Sanogo's, and Sanogo's was enough to completely change this game and the Creighton game.
Will he be hitting three 3 pointers per game? No. Does he need to? Also no.
Don't get me wrong. I'd love to see it!
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I only see the shots you make, kin... but you ain't wrong.
That’s fair. I’m elite - but not going to say whether it’s at shooting or editing hours of video.
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Who's guarding the opposing bigs then?
Sean, because we switch too much
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I think he will get the chance to show even more versatility this season. With OMax gone, I think that Oso will guard more wings and shoot more 3's. Showcasing for next year's draft.
We will be debating where Oso is getting drafted a year from now.
Ok Tower…….this is at least the 3rd time in the last few days that you are promoting Oso filling the OMax role and guarding wings. Is this your new Keeyan will play meaningful minutes hill for the upcoming season?
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I agree the threat of a three from Oso could be transformative for the offense. I also hope that he is working on the fifteen to 18 foot shot. I fully understand that the goal is to shoot at the rim or from 3, however, there are so many occasions where teams could sag off Oso when he was at the free throw line or just a bit deeper. He is a passing threat from there, but when teams sagged the cutting and passing lanes are nearly eliminated. I'm not sure the form he is apparently working on would be effective from 15-18 feet, but time will tell. No reason not to trust the development program at this point.
He isnt working on a 15’-18’ shot. No one on MUMBB is!
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Hards
Last summer Shaka leaked word that Oso would handle the ball more than any big man in country and many on here were skeptical. If they are leaking videos of Oso taking three’s in May, that gives me optimism.
Your comment on his shot getting blocked even with no one guarding him seems a bit odd, but think you are missing the point.
Tower
I would love to see Oso more aggressive on the D front and play the Omax role to some degree. That said, until we get the portal guy I am holding off on that. Without another big guy, I would worry about Oso getting into foul trouble playing that role.
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Ok Tower…….this is at least the 3rd time in the last few days that you are promoting Oso filling the OMax role and guarding wings. Is this your new Keeyan will play meaningful minutes hill for the upcoming season?
I consider it more 'Omax will make the league'. Or Kolek reminds me of Brunson. And I do not think it will be the base. It really can't be unless an impact 5 arrives in the portal. But I think he has the best lateral quickness of the three returning forwards. So, I think from time to time, he will defend the quick wings.
Nothing that radical.
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Hards
Last summer Shaka leaked word that Oso would handle the ball more than any big man in country and many on here were skeptical. If they are leaking videos of Oso taking three’s in May, that gives me optimism.
Your comment on his shot getting blocked even with no one guarding him seems a bit odd, but think you are missing the point.
Tower
I would love to see Oso more aggressive on the D front and play the Omax role to some degree. That said, until we get the portal guy I am holding off on that. Without another big guy, I would worry about Oso getting into foul trouble playing that role.
This. There's a reason for this video. Teams adjust and figure out how to defend what MU did last year. Shaka and his staff will have a few new wrinkles this year.
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Maybe, but this is also coming from a non-MU affiliated training center. Granted, it's Markus' family, but they have a ton of videos and pics from players all over the country and I'm sure not all go through university PR departments before posting.
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He isnt working on a 15’-18’ shot. No one on MUMBB is!
damn shame
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He isnt working on a 15’-18’ shot. No one on MUMBB is!
What is MUMBB?
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Maybe, but this is also coming from a non-MU affiliated training center. Granted, it's Markus' family, but they have a ton of videos and pics from players all over the country and I'm sure not all go through university PR departments before posting.
I buy oso taking threes. I think he'll shoot threes this year. I think he'll take up to 50 if he is shooting at a decent enough percentage.
70% of his threes will not be pullups though. I promise you that.
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damn shame
Yep. A shame we are taking this efficient offense and making it less efficient.
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I have been saying Gold is the next NBA prospect and I might change my mind if Oso learns to shoot. He has a lot of other skills and good athlete. I would not be shocked if Shaka made him into an NBA guy.
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Yep. A shame we are taking this efficient offense and making it less efficient.
https://youtu.be/2FDYyf8Kqrs
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Yep. A shame we are taking this efficient offense and making it less efficient.
Exactly—-its like scoopers haven’t been watching Shaka and the coaches.
MUMBB avoids contested and UNCONTESTED 15-18’ jumpers.
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I consider it more 'Omax will make the league'. Or Kolek reminds me of Brunson. And I do not think it will be the base. It really can't be unless an impact 5 arrives in the portal. But I think he has the best lateral quickness of the three returning forwards. So, I think from time to time, he will defend the quick wings.
Nothing that radical.
On a switch maybe. Don’t see him guarding a quick wing as a defensive strategy.
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Exactly—-its like scoopers haven’t been watching Shaka and the coaches.
MUMBB avoids contested and UNCONTESTED 15-18’ jumpers.
pretty intere3sting analytics here:
https://shottracker.com/articles/analytics-shot-selection (https://shottracker.com/articles/analytics-shot-selection)
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On a switch maybe. Don’t see him guarding a quick wing as a defensive strategy.
We have already seen it many times on a switch
I get it. So, among Oso, Gold, and Joplin, who do you want to see guard the equivalent of Hawkins? Or any quick, versatile, 6'7-8 wing?
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Yep. A shame we are taking this efficient offense and making it less efficient.
On the contrary, IMO you would be adding a nuance to Oso's game that would make him and the base offense even more efficient. Some rules are made to be broken.
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What is MUMBB?
City in India?
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We have already seen it many times on a switch
I get it. So, among Oso, Gold, and Joplin, who do you want to see guard the equivalent of Hawkins? Or any quick, versatile, 6'7-8 wing?
Tower….you have said several times in the last few days that you have expectations of Oso playing the OMax role. You said He will be out guarding quick wings…..by design….not in a switch situation.
I dont know why you would go out of your way to make such a statement.
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What is MUMBB?
Ask Jaybee
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You did not answer my question.
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You did not answer my question.
Your choices are limited.
Oso isnt guarding the likes of Hawkins.
Too early to make a strong stand.
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We have already seen it many times on a switch
I get it. So, among Oso, Gold, and Joplin, who do you want to see guard the equivalent of Hawkins? Or any quick, versatile, 6'7-8 wing?
Ultimate final defensive possessions.
If they have two bigs. Oso- Gold-Ross- Mitchell- Kolek
If they have one big. Most Frequently. Oso- Ross- Mitchell-Jones- Kolek
Put ross on the tallest Wing.