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MUScoop => The Superbar => Topic started by: muwarrior69 on May 24, 2023, 08:54:06 AM
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Did not want to highjack the MLB thread. As a Catholic I find this quite disturbing.
https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/254397/la-archdiocese-dodgers-decision-to-honor-drag-queen-nuns-demeans-religious-sisters
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I was glad to see that Marco Rubio weighed in.
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Did not want to highjack the MLB thread. As a Catholic I find this quite disturbing.
https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/254397/la-archdiocese-dodgers-decision-to-honor-drag-queen-nuns-demeans-religious-sisters
I’m more concerned about groomers within the Catholic faith
https://twitter.com/thedailylineil/status/1661367003804729346?s=46&t=QSiaGcOIKZrrpw0ciZkI5Q
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I’m more concerned about groomers within the Catholic faith
https://twitter.com/thedailylineil/status/1661367003804729346?s=46&t=QSiaGcOIKZrrpw0ciZkI5Q
This is where I immediately went too. Every archdiocese in the country has lost any moral authority in my eyes for the rest of my life.
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Did not want to highjack the MLB thread. As a Catholic I find this quite disturbing.
https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/254397/la-archdiocese-dodgers-decision-to-honor-drag-queen-nuns-demeans-religious-sisters
As a Catholic, I couldn't care less.
I'm more offended by the existence of a group called CatholicVote that presumes to speak for all Catholics.
You are, of course, free to be offended by whatever offends you.
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It’s sick and perverse.
#LastDays
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It’s sick and perverse.
#LastDays
Tolerance is a Catholic virtue
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I’m more concerned about groomers within the Catholic faith
https://twitter.com/thedailylineil/status/1661367003804729346?s=46&t=QSiaGcOIKZrrpw0ciZkI5Q
I too am concerned about groomers wherever they hide.
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I too am concerned about groomers wherever they hide.
Then you don’t have to worry about what the Dodgers are doing
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I worry that we don’t hate and discriminate enough. Lucky for us, Catholics and evangelicals are hard at work.
Seriously, though, any person that uses “groomers” or “woke” in a non- comical way is a blathering moron.
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Did not want to highjack the MLB thread. As a Catholic I find this quite disturbing.
https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/254397/la-archdiocese-dodgers-decision-to-honor-drag-queen-nuns-demeans-religious-sisters
FFS, maybe read up on who they are and what they do before getting all outraged. They've been around for years.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/oct/30/an-order-of-queer-and-trans-nuns-in-san-francisco-take-on-an-unholy-year
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I’m far more concerned that they had a day honoring dentists, given the rampant crimes those people commit.
https://www.mlb.com/dodgers/tickets/specials/healthcare-night
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Just an excuse for fauxrage. Yawn.
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This group invades and disrupts Catholic services. They are not benign and ,as a Dodger fan of long standing, I feel the management has tainted the brand. Great number of Dodger fans are Latino and this can't sit well with them. You won't see Imams or Rabbis mocked on the field why only Catholics?
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This group invades and disrupts Catholic services.
Citation needed.
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This group invades and disrupts Catholic services. They are not benign and ,as a Dodger fan of long standing, I feel the management has tainted the brand. Great number of Dodger fans are Latino and this can't sit well with them. You won't see Imams or Rabbis mocked on the field why only Catholics?
Do Imams or rabbis also molest little boys?
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Just an excuse for fauxrage. Yawn.
Yep. Somehow drag shows are now a problem.
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Tolerance is a Catholic virtue
Very true and probably your very best post, Brother Rico.
No matter how much somebody wants to offend us, our Savior taught us to turn the other cheek.
Are the Dodgers nuts? Probably. But do the Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence bother me? No. I'm a practicing Catholic and a weekly Mass-goer (sometimes more frequently) and I actually find the bizarre sisters amusing. Any of us who went to Roman Catholic schools faced off against Nuns who made the Bizarre Sisters tame by comparison.
We Catholics have a whole lot more to worry about than the Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence. Like, perhaps, our own promise to love God with our whole heart, mind and soul and love our neighbor as ourselves!!!!!!!
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Yep. Somehow drag shows are now a problem.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3jFqhjaGh30 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3jFqhjaGh30)
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Very true and probably your very best post, Brother Rico.
No matter how much somebody wants to offend us, our Savior taught us to turn the other cheek.
Are the Dodgers nuts? Probably. But do the Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence bother me? No. I'm a practicing Catholic and a weekly Mass-goer (sometimes more frequently) and I actually find the bizarre sisters amusing. Any of us who went to Roman Catholic schools faced off against Nuns who made the Bizarre Sisters tame by comparison.
We Catholics have a whole lot more to worry about than the Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence. Like, perhaps, our own promise to love God with our whole heart, mind and soul and love our neighbor as ourselves!!!!!!!
Love our neighbors as themselves
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We should defer to Joy Behar
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Do Imams or rabbis also molest little boys?
Yes, of course.
So do parents, teachers, Scout leaders, coaches, siblings, police, politicians, neighbors, etc..
But somehow drag queens are scary.
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Yes, of course.
So do parents, teachers, Scout leaders, coaches, siblings, police, politicians, neighbors, etc..
But somehow drag queens are scary.
Drag queens that wear huge wigs and makeup and sing Tina Turner (RIP) covers or showtunes? I agree. Totally harmless. Ive been to drag brunches with kids and its NBD and actually kind of wholesome. Drag queens in hot pants twerking and doing burlesque style routines, that I can see an issue with. And Ive seen video of kids at both and think kids at the latter is inappropriate and frankly kind of creepy. Nuance is important, though I'd imagine many of those bothered by drag queens would be bothered if they were saving children from a burning building.
I'll admit, while it doesn't offend or bother me, I'm not sure why drag queen storytime at a school or library is really necessary. I'd say the same if it was LARP storytime or Civil War Reenactment storytime.
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Did not want to highjack the MLB thread. As a Catholic I find this quite disturbing.
https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/254397/la-archdiocese-dodgers-decision-to-honor-drag-queen-nuns-demeans-religious-sisters
Daily Dose of Doom thread would have been more appropriate… 🧔🏻♀️🫃🏻🤦🏻♀️🙅🏻♂️
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This thread should go well…
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Drag queens that wear huge wigs and makeup and sing Tina Turner (RIP) covers or showtunes? I agree. Totally harmless. Ive been to drag brunches with kids and its NBD and actually kind of wholesome. Drag queens in hot pants twerking and doing burlesque style routines, that I can see an issue with. And Ive seen video of kids at both and think kids at the latter is inappropriate and frankly kind of creepy. Nuance is important, though I'd imagine many of those bothered by drag queens would be bothered if they were saving children from a burning building.
I'll admit, while it doesn't offend or bother me, I'm not sure why drag queen storytime at a school or library is really necessary. I'd say the same if it was LARP storytime or Civil War Reenactment storytime.
Yep. Burlesque style drag shows for adults? Go ahead. For kids? Nope. And if you think otherwise, are you ok with the same show for kids, but with actual women doing the dancing/twerking, etc., instead of drag queens doing it?
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Drag queens that wear huge wigs and makeup and sing Tina Turner (RIP) covers or showtunes? I agree. Totally harmless. Ive been to drag brunches with kids and its NBD and actually kind of wholesome. Drag queens in hot pants twerking and doing burlesque style routines, that I can see an issue with. And Ive seen video of kids at both and think kids at the latter is inappropriate and frankly kind of creepy. Nuance is important, though I'd imagine many of those bothered by drag queens would be bothered if they were saving children from a burning building.
I'll admit, while it doesn't offend or bother me, I'm not sure why drag queen storytime at a school or library is really necessary. I'd say the same if it was LARP storytime or Civil War Reenactment storytime.
Normalizes instead of otherizes. Reading to kids is always great, and if they learn to be accepting of everyone in the meantime, why not?
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Yep. Burlesque style drag shows for adults? Go ahead. For kids? Nope. And if you think otherwise, are you ok with the same show for kids, but with actual women doing the dancing/twerking, etc., instead of drag queens doing it?
So, I wouldn't take my kids to a burlesque-style drag event. Or non-drag burlesque-style event. But, that said:
1. Burlesque and twerking is not what is occurring at the drag storytimes and brunches that has the right up in arms.* That's just a red herring used to stoke fears about drag in general and, more accurately, create an "other" for people to hate so they can be distracted from those elements of society who really are harming them and their children.
2. Any parent who supplies their kid with access to the internet has to know they're almost assuredly seeing far more concerning content than a guy in drag shaking his ass, right?
* And yes, I'm sure you can find an outlier. The exception doesn't prove the rule.
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Why is it always men dressed as women reading to kids… but not women dressed as men doing so?
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I fear gun idolatry and Christian nationalistic fascism. I do not fear books, ideas, or drag queens.
I believe in the great commandment and the beatitudes. Neither come with exemptions or provisos.
I agree with Bonhoeffer. We have more to fear from stupidity than evil.
If die today, my soul is at peace.
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So, I wouldn't take my kids to a burlesque-style drag event. Or non-drag burlesque-style event. But, that said:
1. Burlesque and twerking is not what is occurring at the drag storytimes and brunches that has the right up in arms.* That's just a red herring used to stoke fears about drag in general and, more accurately, create an "other" for people to hate so they can be distracted from those elements of society who really are harming them and their children.
2. Any parent who supplies their kid with access to the internet has to know they're almost assuredly seeing far more concerning content than a guy in drag shaking his ass, right?
* And yes, I'm sure you can find an outlier. The exception doesn't prove the rule.
You may be right that the twerking drag shows are the exception. And I wouldn't disagree that kids with access to the internet are seeing a lot of concerning content. But I just don't get the obsession with sexualizing kids. Period. Because they can see it on their own by surfing the interweb, sexual content (including burlesque drag shows) should then be mainstreamed and normalized for kids by adults? Nope. That's more than creepy.
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It has always been creepy to sexualize children. Brooke Shields, anyone? Lolita?
Like so many things in the internet era, something that was an outlier has been made a meme.
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Did not want to highjack the MLB thread. As a Catholic I find this quite disturbing.
https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/254397/la-archdiocese-dodgers-decision-to-honor-drag-queen-nuns-demeans-religious-sisters
As a Catholic, I agree how disturbing it is that the church has gone so wayward in its priorities. Rather than focusing on what matters, they’re engaging in culture war BS. Let’s see a return to teaching how to be a good, compassionate person to all, in the same way as J man.
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You may be right that the twerking drag shows are the exception. And I wouldn't disagree that kids with access to the internet are seeing a lot of concerning content. But I just don't get the obsession with sexualizing kids. Period. Because they can see it on their own by surfing the interweb, sexual content (including burlesque drag shows) should then be mainstreamed and normalized for kids by adults? Nope. That's more than creepy.
Where is the thread regarding child beauty pageants? Toddlers and tiaras was a TV show for years, and yet, not a peep around these parts.
Sorry, I didn't mean this to be a personal thing, but more of an overarching comment about why one is accepted and normalized (child beauty pageants) while the other (reading while playing dress up) is frowned upon.
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As a Catholic, I agree how disturbing it is that the church has gone so wayward in its priorities. Rather than focusing on what matters, they’re engaging in culture war BS. Let’s see a return to teaching how to be a good, compassionate person to all, in the same way as J man.
The church has always played politics.
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Where is the thread regarding child beauty pageants? Toddlers and tiaras was a TV show for years, and yet, not a peep around these parts.
Sorry, I didn't mean this to be a personal thing, but more of an overarching comment about why one is accepted and normalized (child beauty pageants) while the other (reading while playing dress up) is frowned upon.
It’s ok to sexualize girls early to get them ready for adulthood. That way, it’s far less creepy to post about them as sexual objects on college basketball message boards
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Ziggy Stardust era Bowie.
Freddie Mercury
The Village People. Seriously? Macho Man? YMCA? In the Navy? Yeah. They were looking for something long and hard and full of seamen.
Did you really want to hurt Boy George?
Did you find a brand new lover because of Dead or Alive?
Was George Michael your father figure?
This isn't new.
Hell, we have a prolific poster well into his 60's who still comments on teenage cheerleaders.
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It’s ok to sexualize girls early to get them ready for adulthood. That way, it’s far less creepy to post about them as sexual objects on college basketball message boards
Sex pots.
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Sex pots.
Yup, that, too. Glad you agree
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Did you sing along with L-O-L-A Lola?
How about when.... they shaved their legs and he was a she?
How about when Van Morrison sang about teenagers having sex?
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Why is this bigger news then the systemic rape of boys in the catholic church?
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Did you sing along with L-O-L-A Lola?
How about when.... they shaved their legs and he was a she?
How about when Van Morrison sang about teenagers having sex?
If the internet and cable tv had been around back then, that would have been the boogeyman of choice.
I mean, it was. Culture wars never end. #LastDays sell and always will
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2. Any parent who supplies their kid with access to the internet has to know they're almost assuredly seeing far more concerning content than a guy in drag shaking his ass, right?
You may be right that the twerking drag shows are the exception. And I wouldn't disagree that kids with access to the internet are seeing a lot of concerning content. But I just don't get the obsession with sexualizing kids. Period. Because they can see it on their own by surfing the interweb, sexual content (including burlesque drag shows) should then be mainstreamed and normalized for kids by adults? Nope. That's more than creepy.
Yea, the "kids can find it or see much worse if they have the internet" argument for this kind of stuff seems like a lazy deflection. I don't want to take kids to a strip club but they can find stripper videos easily with the internet.
Normalizes instead of otherizes. Reading to kids is always great, and if they learn to be accepting of everyone in the meantime, why not?
But again, I'm not sure how that angle really plays. To me and for my young son, seeing my friend Jason and his husband Colin from college as just normal, everyday people or parents like a heterosexual is far more normalizing than Coco Thundertits or SlayQueen Sandy at the library reading a book. Again, I don't think drag queens are inherently problematic or scary, but I'm not sure how an outlandish caricature would make kids more accepting of gay people more than a man dressed as a Zulu Warrior would make kids normalizing and accepting of everyday African Americans in their community.
Where is the thread regarding child beauty pageants? Toddlers and tiaras was a TV show for years, and yet, not a peep around these parts.
Sorry, I didn't mean this to be a personal thing, but more of an overarching comment about why one is accepted and normalized (child beauty pageants) while the other (reading while playing dress up) is frowned upon.
Seems an awful lot like whataboutism my friend 8-) But to the point, Toddlers and Tiaras is weird as hell. But child beauty pageants aren't really a common topic these days. I wasn't old enough at the time, but I'm pretty sure circa JonBenet, there was plenty of "this is kind of weird" in regards to all the pictures of her that came out.
If people are putting their kids in beauty pageants and crying foul about drag storytime. Than they are absolutely loser hypocrites. But its ok to think both are a bit odd.
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And another generation becomes their parents. Shaking their fists at the clouds and complaining about the younger folk.
....when I was that age, I never....
Liar.
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Yea, the "kids can find it or see much worse if they have the internet" argument for this kind of stuff seems like a lazy deflection. I don't want to take kids to a strip club but they can find stripper videos easily with the internet.
You miss the point.
The point is the same people who screech about drag brunch may think nothing about handing a 12-year-old an iPhone.
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You may be right that the twerking drag shows are the exception. And I wouldn't disagree that kids with access to the internet are seeing a lot of concerning content. But I just don't get the obsession with sexualizing kids.
Is there really an "obsession" with sexualizing kids?
From who? How? Where?
I mean, sure, maybe the politicians who defend child marriage are sexualizing kids. Or the podcasters who say talk about 16 being prime babymaking age.
But what are some other blatant examples?
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I fear gun idolatry and Christian nationalistic fascism. I do not fear books, ideas, or drag queens.
I believe in the great commandment and the beatitudes. Neither come with exemptions or provisos.
I agree with Bonhoeffer. We have more to fear from stupidity than evil.
If die today, my soul is at peace.
You’re a good man, Tower. Love and acceptance are always better than fear and demonization.
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Is there really an "obsession" with sexualizing kids?
From who? How? Where?
I mean, sure, maybe the politicians who defend child marriage are sexualizing kids. Or the podcasters who say talk about 16 being prime babymaking age.
But what are some other blatant examples?
you can block certain content
you don't know where the sexualization of kids is coming from? i hope to God you don't have young children/grandchildren. can't we allow kids to be kids...at least thru 6th grade?
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Why is it always men dressed as women reading to kids… but not women dressed as men doing so?
If you want women dressed as men... go back to Shakespeare.
Early Eurythmics Annie Lenox.
A couple of cheesy 80's teen flix.
And, let's be honest. Men's clothing is pretty boring.
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If you want women dressed as men... go back to Shakespeare.
Early Eurythmics Annie Lenox.
A couple of cheesy 80's teen flix.
Wrong. Men were the only actors in Shakespeare's time.
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Oh, Ziggy. I know you loved The Twelth Night.
Plus, you are acknowledging men performed in drag 500 years ago.
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Oh, Ziggy. I know you loved The Twelth Night.
I prefer baseball.
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So do I.
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you can block certain content
you don't know where the sexualization of kids is coming from? i hope to God you don't have young children/grandchildren. can't we allow kids to be kids...at least thru 6th grade?
Shhh.
The grown ups are talking.
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Shhh.
The grown ups are talking.
The kid/cousin table is a lot more fun.
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The kid/cousin table is a lot more fun.
Not even the kids think that.
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Not even the kids think that.
Your family must be a blast, just like you.
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Your family must be a blast, just like you.
Clown emoji Clown emoji
Pig emoji Pig emoji
/High-five self for stellar display of wit
/Gaze lustfully at own crotch
Did I do that right, Ziggy?
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Clown emoji Clown emoji
Pig emoji Pig emoji
/High-five self for stellar display of wit
/Gaze lustfully at own crotch
Did I do that right, Ziggy?
I'm sure that i would actually get along well with most of the people that I fight with on here in real-life if we sat down for beers and shot the chit.
I am 100% sure you wouldn't be on that list. Your life must be miserable.
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I'm sure that i would actually get along well with most of the people that I fight with on here in real-life if we sat down for beers and shot the chit.
I am 100% sure you wouldn't be on that list. Your life must be miserable.
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If you bring Julianne Hough Ziggy might want to hang out with you.
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If you bring Julianne Hough Ziggy might want to hang out with you.
That's not enough.
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But again, I'm not sure how that angle really plays. To me and for my young son, seeing my friend Jason and his husband Colin from college as just normal, everyday people or parents like a heterosexual is far more normalizing than Coco Thundertits or SlayQueen Sandy at the library reading a book. Again, I don't think drag queens are inherently problematic or scary, but I'm not sure how an outlandish caricature would make kids more accepting of gay people more than a man dressed as a Zulu Warrior would make kids normalizing and accepting of everyday African Americans in their community.
It's fun or a way of life for people, and there are larger problems to worry about. Everyday African Americans don't dress up in Zulu Warrior garb and read to kids, but if they did... why not. But drag for a lot of people is their way of life and an expression of who they are. I don't see it as problematic at all.
Seems an awful lot like whataboutism my friend 8-) But to the point, Toddlers and Tiaras is weird as hell. But child beauty pageants aren't really a common topic these days. I wasn't old enough at the time, but I'm pretty sure circa JonBenet, there was plenty of "this is kind of weird" in regards to all the pictures of her that came out.
If people are putting their kids in beauty pageants and crying foul about drag storytime. Than they are absolutely loser hypocrites. But its ok to think both are a bit odd.
I was making a point that there are much 'worse' societal issues than drag queen readalongs, but drag queen readalongs are the 'outrage de jour'... but I think we all know why they are.
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you can block certain content
you don't know where the sexualization of kids is coming from? i hope to God you don't have young children/grandchildren. can't we allow kids to be kids...at least thru 6th grade?
Why start now? Your generation certainly had no qualms about child predation in their music, film, etc.
Please don't look into the backgrounds of some of your favorite rock and roll gods. Certainly, Steven Tyler, Jimmy Page, and David Bowie were all stand up citizens! Not to mention Jerry Lee Lewis, Elvis Pressley, or Chuck Berry! Don't do any reading into those old guys!
This is all a new thing brought to you by the current generation! ::)
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Why start now? Your generation certainly had no qualms about child predation in their music, film, etc.
Please don't look into the backgrounds of some of your favorite rock and roll gods. Certainly, Steven Tyler, Jimmy Page, and David Bowie were all stand up citizens! Not to mention Jerry Lee Lewis, Elvis Pressley, or Chuck Berry! Don't do any reading into those old guys!
This is all a new thing brought to you by the current generation! ::)
You forgot The Nuge
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You forgot The Nuge
He may have wrote these lyrics back in 1981:
"Well I don't care if you're just thirteen
You look too good to be true
I just know that you're probably clean
There's one lil' thing I got do to you"
But at least he knows true "cultural deprivation" when he sees it
https://www.billboard.com/culture/pride/ted-nugent-blasts-bud-light-trans-inclusive-campaign-1235301005/
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He may have wrote these lyrics back in 1981:
"Well I don't care if you're just thirteen
You look too good to be true
I just know that you're probably clean
There's one lil' thing I got do to you"
But at least he knows true "cultural deprivation" when he sees it
https://www.billboard.com/culture/pride/ted-nugent-blasts-bud-light-trans-inclusive-campaign-1235301005/
#LastDays #werein1981
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It's fun or a way of life for people, and there are larger problems to worry about. Everyday African Americans don't dress up in Zulu Warrior garb and read to kids, but if they did... why not. But drag for a lot of people is their way of life and an expression of who they are. I don't see it as problematic at all.
I was making a point that there are much 'worse' societal issues than drag queen readalongs, but drag queen readalongs are the 'outrage de jour'... but I think we all know why they are.
This group of Drag Queens mock the eucharist, mock Christ's quotations and the Catholic faith and traditions. They are free to do that, but do the Dodgers have to honor and celebrate them? Have the Dodgers honored and celebrated any other group that satirizes any other religion? The problem is not Drag Queens, but it is the Dodgers celebrating this particular group of Drag Queens.
The Dodgers issued this statement:
"After much thoughtful feedback from our diverse communities, honest conversations within the Los Angeles Dodgers organization and generous discussions with the Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence, the Los Angeles Dodgers would like to offer our sincerest apologies to the Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence, members of the LGBTQ+ community and their friends and families.
We have asked the Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence to take their place on the field at our 10th annual LGBTQ+ Pride Night on June 16th. We are pleased to share that they have agreed to receive the gratitude of our collective communities for the lifesaving work that they have done tirelessly for decades.
In the weeks ahead, we will continue to work with our LGBTQ+ partners to better educate ourselves, find ways to strengthen the ties that bind and use our platform to support all of our fans who make up the diversity of the Dodgers family" .
Did the Dodgers reach out and have an honest conversation with the Catholic community which I assume is part of the diverse Dodger family? I expect not.
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No, the Dodgers don't have to honor and celebrate them. But they are choosing to do so. Which is their right.
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This group of Drag Queens mock the eucharist, mock Christ's quotations and the Catholic faith and traditions. They are free to do that, but do the Dodgers have to honor and celebrate them? Have the Dodgers honored and celebrated any other group that satirizes any other religion? The problem is not Drag Queens, but it is the Dodgers celebrating this particular group of Drag Queens.
The Dodgers issued this statement:
"After much thoughtful feedback from our diverse communities, honest conversations within the Los Angeles Dodgers organization and generous discussions with the Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence, the Los Angeles Dodgers would like to offer our sincerest apologies to the Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence, members of the LGBTQ+ community and their friends and families.
We have asked the Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence to take their place on the field at our 10th annual LGBTQ+ Pride Night on June 16th. We are pleased to share that they have agreed to receive the gratitude of our collective communities for the lifesaving work that they have done tirelessly for decades.
In the weeks ahead, we will continue to work with our LGBTQ+ partners to better educate ourselves, find ways to strengthen the ties that bind and use our platform to support all of our fans who make up the diversity of the Dodgers family" .
Did the Dodgers reach out and have an honest conversation with the Catholic community which I assume is part of the diverse Dodger family? I expect not.
The Catholic Church has been mocking the Eucharist, Christ’s word, faith and tradition for years. Why can’t others?
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The Dodgers will burn in eternal hellfire.
Next month I hear they’re considering “Felonious Families Night” where the plights of families who have multiple members with felony convictions are celebrated and apologized to.
What would Oral Hershiser say?
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The Dodgers will burn in eternal hellfire.
Next month I hear they’re considering “Felonious Families Night” where the plights of families who have multiple members with felony convictions are celebrated and apologized to.
What would Oral Hershiser say?
So, they’re having a night for Catholics? That’s good.
Oral? #Lies #FakeNews
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Why is this bigger news then the systemic rape of boys in the catholic church?
Seriously, what rock have you been living under the past 20 years?
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The Dodgers will burn in eternal hellfire.
Next month I hear they’re considering “Felonious Families Night” where the plights of families who have multiple members with felony convictions are celebrated and apologized to.
What would Oral Hershiser say?
What manor of player is Oral?
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Why is this bigger news then the systemic rape of boys in the catholic church?
Playing the victim is easy.
Caring for the victim is hard.
More seriously - and it's something I struggle with as a not-entirely-lapsed Catholic - contemplating the sex abuse scandal forces us to ask ourselves very difficult questions about whether or how our participation in the Catholic Church contributed - indirectly, of course - to the problem.
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Why is this bigger news then the systemic rape of boys in the catholic church?
Because the Roman Catholic Church has in recent years dealt with the problem, been forthcoming and asked forgiveness.
I get that forgiveness with this one is hard. We had two pedophile priests at my high school working on my classmates while I was there. We all knew there were problems and nobody, not the diocese, not our parents and not the community at large, listened. One of my parents became very angry and said, "we don't talk about priests like that!" The non-sexual physical abuse in our classrooms that often led to sexual abuse was disgusting and alarming. And it was the same priests, one of whom spent the last 25 years of life in the state correctional institution, who were doing both the physical and sexual abuse.
The assailants are, for the most part, dead. I'm hoping a just God put their souls on a spit and located them very close to the fires of the eternal flame. But, as a Christian and a Catholic I have to do the best I can to forgive the Church and the folks who did nothing to address the problem. We can't go back and correct our mistakes but we can do the best we can to make sure it never happens again.
Our Church is different today and while I'll never say never, I have to believe we're past it. The Bishops who serve us today; the priests who administer our parishes and try to bring us closer to God; and, the Deacons out in our communities, had nothing to do with it. And, when I was young, there were thousands upon thousands of good, hard-working priests who loved God and loved their job who had nothing to do with the predatory mess. The latter group is the group of people for whom I am thankful.
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Because the Roman Catholic Church has in recent years dealt with the problem, been forthcoming and asked forgiveness.
I get that forgiveness with this one is hard. We had two pedophile priests at my high school working on my classmates while I was there. We all knew there were problems and nobody, not the diocese, not our parents and not the community at large, listened. One of my parents became very angry and said, "we don't talk about priests like that!" The non-sexual physical abuse in our classrooms that often led to sexual abuse was disgusting and alarming. And it was the same priests, one of whom spent the last 25 years of life in the state correctional institution, who were doing both the physical and sexual abuse.
The assailants are, for the most part, dead. I'm hoping a just God put their souls on a spit and located them very close to the fires of the eternal flame. But, as a Christian and a Catholic I have to do the best I can to forgive the Church and the folks who did nothing to address the problem. We can't go back and correct our mistakes but we can do the best we can to make sure it never happens again.
Our Church is different today and while I'll never say never, I have to believe we're past it. The Bishops who serve us today; the priests who administer our parishes and try to bring us closer to God; and, the Deacons out in our communities, had nothing to do with it. And, when I was young, there were thousands upon thousands of good, hard-working priests who loved God and loved their job who had nothing to do with the predatory mess. The latter group is the group of people for whom I am thankful.
It has only been forthcoming on the issue because of media attention, investigations by state authorities and legal action from victims.
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Very interesting, nuanced column by a gay Catholic who has researched the Catholic Church’s response to the AIDS epidemic on the Dodgers/Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence issue:
https://outreach.faith/2023/05/who-are-the-sisters-of-perpetual-indulgence-and-why-does-a-real-catholic-sister-see-them-as-kindred-spirits/
The real sister he interviews is very understanding of the Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence, but intend to side with his personal views here:
What causes me some unease about the Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence, however, especially at this particular moment, is that their costumes mock women who wield relatively little power, especially in the church. These women are often responsible for creating some of the most LGBTQ-affirming spaces in an institution that can regularly feel unwelcoming to the community.
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It has only been forthcoming on the issue because of media attention, investigations by state authorities and legal action from victims.
Maybe, but perhaps some of God's love and a true commitment to forgiveness shone through as well.
Perhaps what we've learned is that priests and nuns aren't perfect and that the oversight of our church was, candidly, lacking. There's much better controls on our communities today than in years past and, regardless of the motivation, we know that our people are more important than our institutions.
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Maybe, but perhaps some of God's love and a true commitment to forgiveness shone through as well.
Perhaps what we've learned is that priests and nuns aren't perfect and that the oversight of our church was, candidly, lacking. There's much better controls on our communities today than in years past and, regardless of the motivation, we know that our people are more important than our institutions.
I’ve been taught god forgives those that are truly sorry, not just sorry they got caught.
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I’ve been taught god forgives those that are truly sorry, not just sorry they got caught.
Who were you taught decides which are which?