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Title: NBA coaching carousel
Post by: tower912 on May 15, 2023, 03:24:45 PM
Because skatastrophy asked for it.....

A lot of the same names being tossed around in various places.

What will happen first, a new coach for Milwaukee or a new job for Budenholzer?
Title: Re: NBA coaching carousel
Post by: Skatastrophy on May 15, 2023, 03:35:21 PM
Monty Williams to the Bucks?

Tom Izzo to the Suns?

Coach Bud to the G-League?
Title: Re: NBA coaching carousel
Post by: tower912 on May 15, 2023, 03:38:08 PM
Izzo is not going to the league.  Neither is Wright.

The equivalent of a coaching trade would be funny.  Bud to Phoenix, Williams to Milwaukee.
Title: Re: NBA coaching carousel
Post by: WhiteTrash on May 15, 2023, 04:57:10 PM
Izzo is not going to the league.  Neither is Wright.

I don't think Wright wants the NBA [very smart knowing where he'd be successful]
I don't think the NBA wants Izzo [old & damaged goods]
Title: Re: NBA coaching carousel
Post by: Uncle Rico on May 15, 2023, 05:25:09 PM
I don't think Wright wants the NBA [very smart knowing where he'd be successful]
I don't think the NBA wants Izzo [old & damaged goods]

The Suns connection is they are owned by Mat Ishiba who played for Izzo.  I think Ishiba would prefer Izzo stay at Michigan State.
Title: Re: NBA coaching carousel
Post by: MuggsyB on May 15, 2023, 05:28:57 PM
If you're the Bucks and Wright isn't an option who's your #1 target and why? 
Title: Re: NBA coaching carousel
Post by: tower912 on May 15, 2023, 05:32:27 PM
Someone with NBA experience.
Title: Re: NBA coaching carousel
Post by: MuggsyB on May 15, 2023, 05:35:29 PM
Someone with NBA experience.

Nurse?  Vogel?  Monty?
Title: Re: NBA coaching carousel
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on May 15, 2023, 05:39:10 PM
If you're the Bucks and Wright isn't an option who's your #1 target and why? 

Wright shouldn’t be their number one option.
Title: Re: NBA coaching carousel
Post by: tower912 on May 15, 2023, 05:44:17 PM
I would want a coach with championship experience in different systems. Helpful if they have been to the finals or won a championship themselves.   A coach who has experience managing a superstar. 
Title: Re: NBA coaching carousel
Post by: MU82 on May 15, 2023, 09:15:12 PM
The Suns connection is they are owned by Mat Ishiba who played for Izzo.  I think Ishiba would prefer Izzo stay at Michigan State.

Ishbia will hire Izzo only if Izzo promises to bring the younger Hauser to the Suns with him.
Title: Re: NBA coaching carousel
Post by: Skatastrophy on May 16, 2023, 10:53:13 AM
Doc Rivers has entered the carousel

3 consecutive ECFs Conference Semi-Finals with the Sixers, and terminated.
Title: Re: NBA coaching carousel
Post by: tower912 on May 16, 2023, 10:56:25 AM
I wonder if Doc retires to the golf course.
Title: Re: NBA coaching carousel
Post by: MuggsyB on May 16, 2023, 11:00:14 AM
I wonder if Doc retires to the golf course.

I doubt it. 
Title: Re: NBA coaching carousel
Post by: JWags85 on May 16, 2023, 11:03:47 AM
I wonder if Doc retires to the golf course.

I wonder if he doesn't move to a front office role.  He's still middle aged in the coaching world.
Title: Re: NBA coaching carousel
Post by: wadesworld on May 16, 2023, 11:10:28 AM
Doc Rivers has entered the carousel

3 consecutive ECFs with the Sixers, and terminated.

He hasn't made an ECF since 2012.
Title: Re: NBA coaching carousel
Post by: brewcity77 on May 16, 2023, 11:14:05 AM
If you're the Bucks and Wright isn't an option who's your #1 target and why?

Becky Hammon. She was one of the premier assistant names for years, went through the interview process here when Bud was hired, and when she finally got a shot at a head gig, all she did was post the best record in the league and win the WNBA Championship.

If they want to look at the college ranks, I'd tab Bill Self. I think his style would translate well to the NBA and he's done very well adapting to his personnel and winning regardless.

The last thing I would do is stick with the Nurse/Williams/Bud style circular hiring ring. Feels often like NBA coaching is just musical chairs, and I think having someone with fresh eyes that can be a long term answer is a better course.
Title: Re: NBA coaching carousel
Post by: MU82 on May 16, 2023, 11:17:40 AM
Becky Hammon. She was one of the premier assistant names for years, went through the interview process here when Bud was hired, and when she finally got a shot at a head gig, all she did was post the best record in the league and win the WNBA Championship.

If they want to look at the college ranks, I'd tab Bill Self. I think his style would translate well to the NBA and he's done very well adapting to his personnel and winning regardless.

The last thing I would do is stick with the Nurse/Williams/Bud style circular hiring ring. Feels often like NBA coaching is just musical chairs, and I think having someone with fresh eyes that can be a long term answer is a better course.

Has Self ever expressed an interest in coaching in the NBA? Maybe he has; I seriously don't know. He's also 60, and he had to miss the NCAA and Big 12 tournaments due to heart issues.
Title: Re: NBA coaching carousel
Post by: 4everwarriors on May 16, 2023, 11:20:08 AM
The NBA is a player driven league. Can't see the Bucks ownership trusting a woman to get the most outta #34, #22, etc. Just sayin'.

Bud to Phoenix
Nurse to Philly
#31 to MKE, hey?
Title: Re: NBA coaching carousel
Post by: tower912 on May 16, 2023, 11:22:44 AM
If Detroit beats the fix and wins the lottery, they will have the coaches contacting them instead of vice versa.   Their young core healthy plus the French treat? 
Title: Re: NBA coaching carousel
Post by: MuggsyB on May 16, 2023, 11:29:53 AM
If Detroit beats the fix and wins the lottery, they will have the coaches contacting them instead of vice versa.   Their young core healthy plus the French treat?

I think you should start a separate Wemby thread.   The potential of this young man is crazy scary by all accounts.  In four years we could be looking at a 7'5 player that is a combination of Tatum and Giannis?  :)

Title: Re: NBA coaching carousel
Post by: brewcity77 on May 16, 2023, 11:35:52 AM
The NBA is a player driven league. Can't see the Bucks ownership trusting a woman to get the most outta #34, #22, etc. Just sayin'.

Bud to Phoenix
Nurse to Philly
#31 to MKE, hey?

I would trust her over any of the musical chairs candidate. Honestly, I think she's not just the best candidate in the field, but far and away the best. 1,000 times better than Doc. And that's probably understating it.
Title: Re: NBA coaching carousel
Post by: wadesworld on May 16, 2023, 11:38:27 AM
I would trust her over any of the musical chairs candidate. Honestly, I think she's not just the best candidate in the field, but far and away the best. 1,000 times better than Doc. And that's probably understating it.

But if you want a fresh perspective then you probably don't want someone who has spent her entire coaching career outside of one year on the same bench the guy you just fired spent a bunch of time on.
Title: Re: NBA coaching carousel
Post by: WhiteTrash on May 16, 2023, 11:47:57 AM
I would trust her over any of the musical chairs candidate. Honestly, I think she's not just the best candidate in the field, but far and away the best. 1,000 times better than Doc. And that's probably understating it.
Someone has a crush.  :D
Title: Re: NBA coaching carousel
Post by: JWags85 on May 16, 2023, 11:53:29 AM
Not sure why Nurse is being lumped in with the "musical chairs"/retread crew.  He's only been with the Raptors as an assistant/HC.  He was a very very good coach in Europe and then arguably the best G League coach ever before he was on an NBA bench.  You can not like his last 3 years in Toronto.  Thats fair.  But I don't think lumping him in with Bud/Monty/etc... is fair.
Title: Re: NBA coaching carousel
Post by: brewcity77 on May 16, 2023, 12:12:43 PM
But if you want a fresh perspective then you probably don't want someone who has spent her entire coaching career outside of one year on the same bench the guy you just fired spent a bunch of time on.

She had a playing career before that (far more extensive than Bud's) and not everyone that comes from the same bench has the same results. Stan Johnson and Brett Nelson, for instance. Or Shaka Smart and Rob Lanier, on the same staff for Billy Donovan, have had vastly different careers since.

Someone has a crush.  :D

Here's the thing...if you hire Bud or Nurse or Doc or any of the retreads, you know for certain you are not getting the best male coach in the world. I'd take Spoelstra over any of them, Kerr over any, and it's not particularly close.

If you take Hammon, you potentially are getting the best female coach in the world, and until the head coach needs to suit up, that could also mean you are getting the best coach in the world period. Get a retread and there is zero chance you are getting the best possible candidate. Hire Hammon, and you may very well be getting the best.

The only logical reason to not hire her over any of them is misogyny.
Title: Re: NBA coaching carousel
Post by: wadesworld on May 16, 2023, 12:17:21 PM
She had a playing career before that (far more extensive than Bud's) and not everyone that comes from the same bench has the same results. Stan Johnson and Brett Nelson, for instance. Or Shaka Smart and Rob Lanier, on the same staff for Billy Donovan, have had vastly different careers since.

Here's the thing...if you hire Bud or Nurse or Doc or any of the retreads, you know for certain you are not getting the best male coach in the world. I'd take Spoelstra over any of them, Kerr over any, and it's not particularly close.

If you take Hammon, you potentially are getting the best female coach in the world, and until the head coach needs to suit up, that could also mean you are getting the best coach in the world period. Get a retread and there is zero chance you are getting the best possible candidate. Hire Hammon, and you may very well be getting the best.

The only logical reason to not hire her over any of them is misogyny.

Yeah, not really.  Nurse and Bud have won titles as head NBA coaches.  Monty has gone to a title as an NBA head coach.  They're all very good coaches who have proven capable of winning NBA titles.  Even Doc has won an NBA title.  You're acting like they're Larry Krystkowiak.

I'd take my chances with her over Doc.  But the other 3 have coached in an NBA Finals within the last half decade.
Title: Re: NBA coaching carousel
Post by: 4everwarriors on May 16, 2023, 12:20:10 PM
Hammon has zero chance at the Bucks gig, unless you peddle Giannis, Khris, Jrue, and rebuild, hey?
Title: Re: NBA coaching carousel
Post by: cheebs09 on May 16, 2023, 12:24:39 PM
I am not sure Hammon is the slam dunk you think she is. I thought I read she had a pretty stacked roster for the Aces. Granted, you still have to win the games.

I guess I don’t understand the line of thinking that you can’t hire the best coach in the world if you don’t hire a female. How do we know a random male assistant wouldn’t be better than Pop if hired? How do we know Nurse wouldn’t be the best coach in the world with Giannis?

I doubt it’s related to her coaching, but it looks like she’s in some hot water with the WNBA and their team lost a draft pick.

I would react to Hammon as any other assistant, cautiously optimistic but not thrilled. Nurse seems like the opposite of Bud, which I think this team needs. Someone that’s going to light a fire under them and hold them accountable.
Title: Re: NBA coaching carousel
Post by: JWags85 on May 16, 2023, 12:34:07 PM
I am not sure Hammon is the slam dunk you think she is. I thought I read she had a pretty stacked roster for the Aces. Granted, you still have to win the games.

I guess I don’t understand the line of thinking that you can’t hire the best coach in the world if you don’t hire a female. How do we know a random male assistant wouldn’t be better than Pop if hired? How do we know Nurse wouldn’t be the best coach in the world with Giannis?

I doubt it’s related to her coaching, but it looks like she’s in some hot water with the WNBA and their team lost a draft pick.

I would react to Hammon as any other assistant, cautiously optimistic but not thrilled. Nurse seems like the opposite of Bud, which I think this team needs. Someone that’s going to light a fire under them and hold them accountable.

She took over a team that had made 3 consecutive Conference Finals, had 3 straight 1st overall picks (from 2017-2019) hitting their mid 20s primes, and only opened up cause their coach retired.  She walked into the absolute best coaching situation possible with a juggernaut of a team.  Yes you still have to win, but I don't think it speaks definitively to her coaching acumen. 

I don't know how she's DEFINITELY the best option out there.
Title: Re: NBA coaching carousel
Post by: lawdog77 on May 16, 2023, 12:36:23 PM
Hammon suspended
https://www.espn.com/wnba/story/_/id/37662397/wnba-rescinds-aces-2025-1st-round-pick-suspends-becky-hammon (https://www.espn.com/wnba/story/_/id/37662397/wnba-rescinds-aces-2025-1st-round-pick-suspends-becky-hammon)
Title: Re: NBA coaching carousel
Post by: Pakuni on May 16, 2023, 12:36:40 PM
If you take Hammon, you potentially are getting the best female coach in the world, and until the head coach needs to suit up, that could also mean you are getting the best coach in the world period. Get a retread and there is zero chance you are getting the best possible candidate. Hire Hammon, and you may very well be getting the best.

The only logical reason to not hire her over any of them is misogyny.

I think Hammon is an excellent coach who has earned a shot at a head coaching gig. Contrary to some here, I don't believe her being a woman would prohibit her from winning the respect of NBA players. In fact, we already know that to be false.

That said, I'm not sure I get your logic here. That Hammon, because she's the best woman coach out there, is the best or second-best coach in the world, alongside the best male coach?

I'd suggest there are many reasons to hire a guy like Nurse that have nothing to do with misogyny.
Title: Re: NBA coaching carousel
Post by: pbiflyer on May 16, 2023, 12:42:23 PM
Doc Rivers, Nick Nurse, Monty Williams and Mike Budenholzer have 6 NBA Coach of the Year awards between them.

All have been dismissed this offseason.

Erik Spoelstra has not won one.
Title: Re: NBA coaching carousel
Post by: brewcity77 on May 16, 2023, 01:06:42 PM
Doc Rivers, Nick Nurse, Monty Williams and Mike Budenholzer have 6 NBA Coach of the Year awards between them.

All have been dismissed this offseason.

Erik Spoelstra has not won one.

And I'm sure the Bucks would take Spoelstra in a second, if they could. Feels like the NBA COY is almost a kiss of death. Casey fired the year he won it, since then Bud, Nurse, and Williams have all won it and are all unemployed.
Title: Re: NBA coaching carousel
Post by: tower912 on May 16, 2023, 01:11:22 PM
Winning championships doesn't matter, either.
Title: Re: NBA coaching carousel
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on May 16, 2023, 01:14:56 PM
I actually think an experienced guy like Vogel or Nurse would be just fine. Both have won titles. Both have dealt with veteran laden teams filled with stars. I don't think they would be looking stylistically for something different either.  Not sure I would be thrilled with an unknown assistant at this point, unless they knock the socks off at an interview.
Title: Re: NBA coaching carousel
Post by: tower912 on May 16, 2023, 01:34:04 PM
An assistant who crushes the powerpoint?
Title: Re: NBA coaching carousel
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on May 16, 2023, 01:34:55 PM
An assistant who crushes the powerpoint?

Oooo....good point.
Title: Re: NBA coaching carousel
Post by: 4everwarriors on May 16, 2023, 02:57:51 PM
How 'bout we get back ta hirin' the most qualified and best person for da job? Any y'all got an issue wit dat premise, hey?
Title: Re: NBA coaching carousel
Post by: Pakuni on May 16, 2023, 03:02:22 PM
How 'bout we get back ta hirin' the most qualified and best person for da job? Any y'all got an issue wit dat premise, hey?

As long as it's not a woman.
Title: Re: NBA coaching carousel
Post by: 4everwarriors on May 16, 2023, 03:09:12 PM
She can be blue, black, green, or red. She can be Asian, Muslim, gay, straight or any other letters in the alphabet. I don't give a chit as long as whomever is selected, is deemed to be the most qualified and best candidate by those who are in charge of the selection process.
But, the Bucks are not hiring Hammon. That was Lasry's fiasco the last time and he gowne now, hey?
Title: Re: NBA coaching carousel
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on May 16, 2023, 03:11:30 PM
She can be blue, black, green, or red. She can be Asian, Muslim, gay, straight or any other letters in the alphabet. I don't give a chit as long as whomever is selected, is deemed to be the most qualified and best candidate by those who are in charge of the selection process.
But, the Bucks are not hiring Hammon. That was Lasry's fiasco the last time and he gowne now, hey?

Yeah, I don't believe the bolded.
Title: Re: NBA coaching carousel
Post by: 4everwarriors on May 16, 2023, 03:13:02 PM
Y'all are unreal. No wonder this country is so fooked up, hey?
Title: Re: NBA coaching carousel
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on May 16, 2023, 03:20:51 PM
Y'all are unreal. No wonder this country is so fooked up, hey?

You misunderstand me. I most definitely want them to hire the best candidate.

I highly doubt that you don't care about their gender, race or religion.  I mean, you said this earlier today:

The NBA is a player driven league. Can't see the Bucks ownership trusting a woman to get the most outta #34, #22, etc. Just sayin'.

Even calling Hammon's candidacy a "fiasco" the last time shows your ass - she was the top assistant of a legendary coach. I have zero doubt you wouldn't have labelled it a "fiasco" if she were a man.
Title: Re: NBA coaching carousel
Post by: Pakuni on May 16, 2023, 03:29:43 PM
She can be blue, black, green, or red. She can be Asian, Muslim, gay, straight or any other letters in the alphabet. I don't give a chit as long as whomever is selected, is deemed to be the most qualified and best candidate by those who are in charge of the selection process.
But, the Bucks are not hiring Hammon. That was Lasry's fiasco the last time and he gowne now, hey?

You seem very certain that "the most qualified and best candidate" and "woman" are mutually exclusive.
Title: Re: NBA coaching carousel
Post by: 4everwarriors on May 16, 2023, 03:32:25 PM
I don't care about the coach's gender, race, or religion.

What I said is the Bucks, unless they are in a full blown rebuild mode, won't be hiring a female. As for the fiasco comment, what would you call it? It was 5 years ago, Horst was a fairly new GM, and Lasry, aka as a poster boy for liberal America, was running the team. Even with all that, Hammon was more of a publicity stunt rather than a serious candidate. At this time with where the team is and their limited window of championship opportunity, pretty certain their selection of a new coach will be a person who was born a male, aina?
Title: Re: NBA coaching carousel
Post by: Uncle Rico on May 16, 2023, 03:37:17 PM
I don't care about the coach's gender, race, or religion.

What I said is the Bucks, unless they are in a full blown rebuild mode, won't be hiring a female. As for the fiasco comment, what would you call it? It was 5 years ago, Horst was a fairly new GM, and Lasry, aka as a poster boy for liberal America, was running the team. Even with all that, Hammon was more of a publicity stunt rather than a serious candidate. At this time with where the team is and their limited window of championship opportunity, pretty certain their selection of a new coach will be a person who was born a male, aina?

None of that is true at all except in your mind.
Title: Re: NBA coaching carousel
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on May 16, 2023, 03:38:39 PM
I don't care about the coach's gender, race, or religion.

What I said is the Bucks, unless they are in a full blown rebuild mode, won't be hiring a female. As for the fiasco comment, what would you call it? It was 5 years ago, Horst was a fairly new GM, and Lasry, aka as a poster boy for liberal America, was running the team. Even with all that, Hammon was more of a publicity stunt rather than a serious candidate. At this time with where the team is and their limited window of championship opportunity, pretty certain their selection of a new coach will be a person who was born a male, aina?


Hammon was given an initial interview for the job. Again, she was Pop's assistant and someone who had coached their summer league team. She wasn't given a finalist interview.  Again, I seriously doubt you would label this a fiasco if a candidate with this background was a man.
Title: Re: NBA coaching carousel
Post by: cheebs09 on May 16, 2023, 03:47:52 PM

Hammon was given an initial interview for the job. Again, she was Pop's assistant and someone who had coached their summer league team. She wasn't given a finalist interview.  Again, I seriously doubt you would label this a fiasco if a candidate with this background was a man.

Is it any different than Chris Quinn’s candidacy? Or even Charles Lee who was an assistant under Bud?

The fiasco was the GM hire because everyone had different finalists, including one guy they brought in to be the heir apparent and landed on Horst as a compromise. That turned out ok just like the last coaching hire.
Title: Re: NBA coaching carousel
Post by: Uncle Rico on May 16, 2023, 03:51:33 PM
Is it any different than Chris Quinn’s candidacy? Or even Charles Lee who was an assistant under Bud?

The fiasco was the GM hire because everyone had different finalists, including one guy they brought in to be the heir apparent and landed on Horst as a compromise. That turned out ok just like the last coaching hire.

Nah, the Bucks screw everything up
Title: Re: NBA coaching carousel
Post by: Herman Cain on May 16, 2023, 09:34:56 PM
Bucks window to win another Championship is now. The team needs to hire a coach with a championship pedigree.

 Coaching wealthy professional athletes with more job security than a coach is not easy. Bucks need a guy who has climbed the mountain already.
Title: Re: NBA coaching carousel
Post by: tower912 on May 17, 2023, 05:17:00 AM
They just fired a coach with a championship pedigree.   As did many teams.
Title: Re: NBA coaching carousel
Post by: lawdog77 on May 17, 2023, 05:24:07 AM
IMO, it's Nurse, unless Giannis has someone he likes more.
Title: Re: NBA coaching carousel
Post by: 4everwarriors on May 17, 2023, 05:31:00 AM
How 'bout tossin' some of that hedge fund money at Brad Stevens, hey?
Title: Re: NBA coaching carousel
Post by: MU82 on May 17, 2023, 10:41:01 AM
How 'bout tossin' some of that hedge fund money at Brad Stevens, hey?

Why would you want a guy who has no interest in coaching? Even if he took the money because it's money, his heart wouldn't be in it.
Title: Re: NBA coaching carousel
Post by: MuggsyB on May 17, 2023, 10:55:17 AM
Between Nurse, Vogel, and Monry Williams who would you go with?
Title: Re: NBA coaching carousel
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on May 17, 2023, 11:15:26 AM
Could Hologram Al take the job? Or would Marquette hold him to his contact?
Title: Re: NBA coaching carousel
Post by: PBRme on May 17, 2023, 11:25:22 AM
I'm holding out for Phil Jackson at 78 years old
Title: Re: NBA coaching carousel
Post by: BM1090 on May 17, 2023, 11:26:48 AM
Between Nurse, Vogel, and Monry Williams who would you go with?

Nurse, Monty, Vogel.
Title: Re: NBA coaching carousel
Post by: cheebs09 on May 17, 2023, 11:32:03 AM
Between Nurse, Vogel, and Monry Williams who would you go with?

Personally, I’d choose Nurse. My biggest concern with him is he seems to be a grating personality and doesn’t have a great relationship with players. Which I think is a Bud strength.

Also, I think he’s willing to play guys much longer minutes than Bud. I think Bud overdid it with the load management. I’m not sure Nurse’s way is better though.

Nurse does seem like someone who will make adjustments more on the fly. I’m hoping someone can hold the team more accountable as they seem to get helter skelter when they face adversity. I’m hoping Nurse would make them more disciplined.
Title: Re: NBA coaching carousel
Post by: MuggsyB on May 17, 2023, 12:04:15 PM
I suppose I'm with you guys regarding Nurse.

Off the subject that Hachimura trade was a complete heist.  Washington essentially gave him away for nothing? 
Title: Re: NBA coaching carousel
Post by: Skatastrophy on May 17, 2023, 12:20:18 PM
Nurse is the safe pick if you're the Bucks executives. He'd be a midwestern culture fit, and he's seen some success. He's white and he's not a woman so people from Mequon will be happy.
Title: Re: NBA coaching carousel
Post by: MU82 on May 17, 2023, 01:36:13 PM
Frank Vogel is an interesting name.

He had 5 winning seasons in 6 years in Indiana, including two division titles (their first since the Reggie Miller era). He had a winning postseason record. He was fired in 2016 after a first-round exit because Larry Bird thought the team "needed a new voice." No Pacers coach has won a playoff series since he left, and the franchise is now a hot mess.

Vogel then spent two years with an Orlando team that had zero veteran talent and whose leading scorer was Evan Fournier; no coach would have won there. He was doomed when the GM who hired him was fired.

He then went to the Lakers and coached them to the NBA title in the bubble season. The next year, both James and Davis missed major portions of the season and neither was fully healthy in the playoffs, and they lost in the first round. The year after that, AD again missed half the season and Vogel had to deal with the horrific inclusion of Westbrook.

I didn't follow any of his teams enough to really know his coaching style, but the guy has won every time the talent on hand gave him a fighting chance to win.
Title: Re: NBA coaching carousel
Post by: Pakuni on May 17, 2023, 04:54:22 PM
According to Woj, the Bucks interviewed Kelvin Sampson 
Title: Re: NBA coaching carousel
Post by: ZiggysFryBoy on May 17, 2023, 05:02:38 PM
According to Woj, the Bucks interviewed Kelvin Sampson

By phone?
Title: Re: NBA coaching carousel
Post by: wadesworld on May 17, 2023, 05:10:23 PM
According to Woj, the Bucks interviewed Kelvin Sampson

If he was 5-10 years younger and I had a young team looking to take the step towards Playoff contention I could get behind that.  I'm not sure I want to give a college coach his shot when I have a 2 year window to show Giannis he can continue to win in Milwaukee.

The Bucks sure are casting a wide net.
Title: Re: NBA coaching carousel
Post by: rocket surgeon on May 17, 2023, 07:46:02 PM
i really like monty williams.  he seemed to be a players coach; they responded to him.  he was under a win it all NOW and i don't think KD is/was the answer unless they can add a banger.  they could switch landale to a power forward and play him with ayton.  then they would need some reliable bench guys like portis to spell either one of them

monty would be my choice-i see some shaka in him from a players relationship viewpoint
Title: Re: NBA coaching carousel
Post by: MuggsyB on May 17, 2023, 08:11:51 PM
The Bucks nterviewed Kelvin Sampson?
Title: Re: NBA coaching carousel
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on May 17, 2023, 08:21:10 PM
The Bucls interviewed Kelvin Sampson?

Runs a pro offense and is a former NBA assistant. Not complete out there.
Title: Re: NBA coaching carousel
Post by: cheebs09 on May 17, 2023, 09:58:50 PM
Runs a pro offense and is a former NBA assistant. Not complete out there.

An assistant with the Bucks as well, but I don’t think with the current owners.
Title: Re: NBA coaching carousel
Post by: Hards Alumni on May 18, 2023, 06:17:09 AM
So what we've learned is that there aren't many intriguing potential NBA coaches out there.

If the Bucks hire Doc or Nurse it feels like the NBA is just playing keys in a bowl party with head coaches.
Title: Re: NBA coaching carousel
Post by: tower912 on May 18, 2023, 06:20:09 AM
Yes.   And we are learning that winning a championship does not engender loyalty or patience.   A lot of championship keys in that bowl.
Title: Re: NBA coaching carousel
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on May 18, 2023, 07:38:27 AM
We aren't drawn to the former head coaches because we know their faults. We just don't know the assistant coaches faults.

One of the hot assistants that the Bucks interviewed the last time was David Fizdale. Instead they hired the retread coach who was fired by Atlanta, while Fizdale looked terrible as the head coach in Memphis and New York.
Title: Re: NBA coaching carousel
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on May 26, 2023, 07:38:28 AM
The Bucks seem to have found three finalists. Adrian Griffin, Kenny Atkinson, and Nick Nurse. Who do we like?
Title: Re: NBA coaching carousel
Post by: Uncle Rico on May 26, 2023, 07:48:33 AM
The Bucks seem to have found three finalists. Adrian Griffin, Kenny Atkinson, and Nick Nurse. Who do we like?

Griffin
Title: Re: NBA coaching carousel
Post by: MuggsyB on May 26, 2023, 11:17:14 AM
Griffin

Why specifically do you like Griffin?
Title: Re: NBA coaching carousel
Post by: The Lens on May 26, 2023, 11:51:55 AM
Griffin

Do you believe the theory that this is Giannis' guy?
Title: Re: NBA coaching carousel
Post by: Hards Alumni on May 26, 2023, 01:25:03 PM
The Bucks seem to have found three finalists. Adrian Griffin, Kenny Atkinson, and Nick Nurse. Who do we like?

An assistant, a failure retread, and a retread.

Uhhhh may as well try the assistant.
Title: Re: NBA coaching carousel
Post by: Uncle Rico on May 26, 2023, 01:31:46 PM
Why specifically do you like Griffin?

What Hards said.  We know what Nurse and Atkinson are.  Both are fine if they’re the choice but what if Griffin is the next great coach?
Title: Re: NBA coaching carousel
Post by: GB Warrior on May 26, 2023, 01:32:23 PM
Yeah if you can't scheme up success maybe Griffin can beat it out of them
Title: Re: NBA coaching carousel
Post by: wadesworld on May 26, 2023, 01:39:44 PM
Nurse for me.  But any of the 3 should be fine.  As long as it wasn't Nash or Mark Jackson I'm pretty good.
Title: Re: NBA coaching carousel
Post by: Uncle Rico on May 26, 2023, 02:49:30 PM
Yeah if you can't scheme up success maybe Griffin can beat it out of them

Al punched players.  Enough said
Title: Re: NBA coaching carousel
Post by: MuggsyB on May 26, 2023, 03:00:24 PM
Nurse for me.  But any of the 3 should be fine.  As long as it wasn't Nash or Mark Jackson I'm pretty good.

I think I'm with you on Nurse. 
Title: Re: NBA coaching carousel
Post by: rocket surgeon on May 26, 2023, 03:58:22 PM
maybe i missed it somewhere, but why isn't monty williams being considered?  he has won, but just not "the big ones"...yet.  maybe he just needs the right players.  with the bucks and giannis, he just may have them with a few changes
Title: Re: NBA coaching carousel
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on May 26, 2023, 04:00:14 PM
maybe i missed it somewhere, but why isn't monty williams being considered?  he has won, but just not "the big ones"...yet.  maybe he just needs the right players.  with the bucks and giannis, he just may have them with a few changes

They apparently talked to him. So one, or both, of the parties weren't interested after that conversation.
Title: Re: NBA coaching carousel
Post by: rocket surgeon on May 26, 2023, 09:10:31 PM
They apparently talked to him. So one, or both, of the parties weren't interested after that conversation.

  i haven't heard monty's name come up in any conversation regarding nba or college head coach vacancies 
Title: Re: NBA coaching carousel
Post by: cheebs09 on May 26, 2023, 09:36:47 PM
  i haven't heard monty's name come up in any conversation regarding nba or college head coach vacancies

There were rumors early the Bucks were making a run at him.
Title: Re: NBA coaching carousel
Post by: tower912 on May 27, 2023, 06:05:52 AM
The Pistons reportedly backed the Brinks truck up and Monty said he is taking a year off.
Title: Re: NBA coaching carousel
Post by: Uncle Rico on May 27, 2023, 07:07:11 AM
  i haven't heard monty's name come up in any conversation regarding nba or college head coach vacancies

Newsmax sports reports are pretty bad, too, huh?
Title: Re: NBA coaching carousel
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on May 27, 2023, 08:04:10 AM
Newsmax sports reports are pretty bad, too, huh?

Omax's brother?
Title: Re: NBA coaching carousel
Post by: GB Warrior on May 27, 2023, 01:22:01 PM
Griffin is the next head coach of the Bucks after beating up out Kenny Atkinson.
Title: Re: NBA coaching carousel
Post by: Herman Cain on May 27, 2023, 02:11:30 PM
Griffin is the next head coach of the Bucks after beating up out Kenny Atkinson.
https://nypost.com/2023/05/27/bucks-hiring-former-raptors-assistant-adrian-griffin-as-head-coach/
Title: Re: NBA coaching carousel
Post by: HutchwasClutch on May 27, 2023, 05:12:06 PM
Griffin is the next head coach of the Bucks after beating up out Kenny Atkinson.

Don’t love it, don’t hate it either.  He’s paid his dues and earned his opportunity no doubt.  He’s worked and learned under some very successful coaches.  He’s been around the league and players a long time.  I would have preferred someone who’s been a head coach. With championship expectations and Giannis in his prime, that’s a lot to ask someone who’s never been a head coach. 

Hope it works and he brings another title or two.  Clock is ticking louder and louder on their championship window.
Title: Re: NBA coaching carousel
Post by: MuggsyB on May 27, 2023, 07:09:46 PM
I'm surprised but he could be the right guy.
Title: Re: NBA coaching carousel
Post by: 4everwarriors on May 27, 2023, 07:48:25 PM
It don't matta. Its a playas league, hey
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