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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: Vander Blue Man Group on May 08, 2023, 04:29:47 PM
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Let's see how WVU handles this one.
https://www.si.com/college/cincinnati/basketball/bob-huggins-uses-homophobic-slur-multiple-times-during-700-wlw-interview
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He has offered an apology. Comes off as sincere, not coached.
WVU has issued a statement that is not particularly supportive.
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He can be as contrite as he wants, but there's really not much daylight between what he said and the N word. If he keeps his job, that says more about West Virginia than Huggins at this point.
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He has offered an apology. Comes off as sincere, not coached.
WVU has issued a statement that is not particularly supportive.
He said it twice, and it wasn’t like it was taken out of context. Sprinkled in some religious stereotyping for good measure. He should absolutely be fired. But I think WVU suspends him for some significant portion of the beginning of the season (5 games or so), makes him pay a fine, and then gets the ball rolling on an offseason retirement. Their big boosters won’t go for a firing (I work with one who gives a ton to the program, so I know. Ironically, he’s an HR exec).
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He has offered an apology. Comes off as sincere, not coached.
WVU has issued a statement that is not particularly supportive.
Sincerely not written by him.
https://twitter.com/xubarstool/status/1655687707497050117?s=46&t=wj-kQtLCLPNb9xDTKbHRvQ
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He can be as contrite as he wants, but there's really not much daylight between what he said and the N word. If he keeps his job, that says more about West Virginia than Huggins at this point.
I’m quite certain that African Americans do not agree that the word “cute one” and the N word are anywhere close to each other. Any African Americans on this board care to comment?
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I mean it’s not that he may or may not have offended someone. And it really doesn’t matter if the word is close to the N-word.
It’s that he’s a highly compensated, highly public employee of WVU. You just can’t say that stuff.
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I’m quite certain that African Americans do not agree that the word “cute one” and the N word are anywhere close to each other. Any African Americans on this board care to comment?
This is destined to produce a productive dialogue…
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Buzz to WVU!
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Country Roads, take me home ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t8ILUBm-65I
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I’m quite certain that African Americans do not agree that the word “cute one” and the N word are anywhere close to each other. Any African Americans on this board care to comment?
Welcome to the 21st century.
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I’m quite certain that African Americans do not agree that the word “cute one” and the N word are anywhere close to each other. Any African Americans on this board care to comment?
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Isn't this Superbar material??
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Somebody snuck Buzz's name in.
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Isn't this Superbar material??
Uh oh, the Superbar police are here.
It’s a slow time of the year and his response was regarding a question about a team in our conference.
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Is Jose Perez still there? If a Huggins axing causes him to transfer (can he still? I think he had to sit last year but not sure if that means he can be immediately eligible and when the deadline is) he'd have spent time at 5 schools - Gardner Webb, MU, Manhattan, W.V., ???.
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Jose Perez has been at FOUR schools??
Good lord … what a joke
As for Huggins. Should be fired. But, won’t be
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Jose Perez has been at FOUR schools??
Good lord … what a joke
He eats the local Golden Corral out of business and heads for greener pastures.
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Jose Perez has been at FOUR schools??
Good lord … what a joke
As for Huggins. Should be fired. But, won’t be
I think you are right. I also think Huggy is headed in a direction that will result in worse conduct, because he'll be emboldened by not getting fired, and result in major embarrassment for WVU and the AD loosing his job.
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I’m quite certain that African Americans do not agree that the word “cute one” and the N word are anywhere close to each other. Any African Americans on this board care to comment?
Why does it need to compare to the N word to be bad? This is such an idiotic take
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Why does it need to compare to the N word to be bad? This is such an idiotic take
The only comparison I intended was that both are unacceptable to use in public discourse. If you use one or the other in a derogatory way, as Huggins clearly did, I don't expect it will go well for you.
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Huggins would be terminated at at least 80% of businesses right now and probably 98% of public universities, so we'll see what kind of move WVU makes.
He turns 70 in September and I've been in favor of public schools and politics having mandatory retirement at 70, so it's time Huggy.
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Huggins would be terminated at at least 80% of businesses right now and probably 98% of public universities, so we'll see what kind of move WVU makes.
He turns 70 in September and I've been in favor of public schools and politics having mandatory retirement at 70, so it's time Huggy.
Coach Pitino holding on line 1 for Ted Baxter. Pick up please.
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For anyone who thinks Gordon Gee, WVU's president, is going to do anything about Huggy, you may want to read the wikipedia account of him. It's locked or I would list it here. Check out his tenures at a number of universities and the reasons he "left". Wow!
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Had he insulted the Catholics only, he would have been safe.
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I think whether Huggy Bear survives or not will largely come down to how happy West Virginia is with his job performance. There's a not small population of West Virginia fans who think the game has passed him by and want him gone. I have no idea if these are just common fans or if there are some powerful donors in that camp. He hasn't made it out of the first weekend since 2018. He only got WVU past the Sweet 16 once (their final four run back in 2010). He's only made the tournament twice in the past five years (though to be fair his best team in the stretch was likely the COVID year).
This gives WVU the out they need to fire him if they wanted to. But if they are happy with his performance, I could see them letting this go for their native son.
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Had he insulted the Catholics only, he would have been safe.
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Had he insulted the Catholics only, he would have been safe.
Are you sure? His boss, Gordan Gee "mutually decided to part ways with" Ohio State after making insulting remarks about Catholics.
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Are you sure? His boss, Gordan Gee "mutually decided to part ways with" Ohio State after making insulting remarks about Catholics.
Catholics typically turn the other eye, I mean cheek
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I think whether huggins gets to keep his job or not should be determined by whether or not he comes out as homosexual.
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I think whether huggins gets to keep his job or not should be determined by whether or not he comes out as homosexual.
He was licking the face of that player that blew out his knee years back.
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He was licking the face of that player that blew out his knee years back.
Yeah….that was cringy.
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I think whether huggins gets to keep his job or not should be determined by whether or not he comes out as homosexual.
Cause if he is homosexual he’s allowed to say “cute one”?
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"If West Virginia cared about the dignity and self-worth of every person" is a fun prompt for Marvel's new series of "What if"
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Cause if he is homosexual he’s allowed to say “cute one”?
I'll give you a real answer.
No one person "says" what one is allowed to do. Largely, the "policing" of speech is a societal construct and with more power and authority people are held to a higher communal standard. Additionally, if you are an employee of any business, your speech can be monitored by your employer.
Its a fact that members of marginalized communities use and reappropriate slurs directed towards their communities frequently. Homosexual men appropriate "cute one", and use it more frequently than any other community. Additionally society, at large, is less likely to police the speak of members of marginalized communities repurposing the "slurs" historically directed towards them.
I don't have a personal opinion either way as to whether it is appropriate. It is more of a statement of fact or an observation.
Based on how bigoted Huggins appear to be, the proposition of Huggins sexual orientation being different is humorous.
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Everything in me is telling me not to ask this question on page two of a Scoop thread….
Yet here I go. What Huggins said was anti-catholic for sure. Why is it homophobic? It is crude but I don’t understand why it is homophobic “throwing rubber penises on the floor” has nothing to do with gay people?
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He said Catholic f*gs.
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Everything in me is telling me not to ask this question on page two of a Scoop thread….
Yet here I go. What Huggins said was anti-catholic for sure. Why is it homophobic? It is crude but I don’t understand why it is homophobic “throwing rubber penises on the floor” has nothing to do with gay people?
Assuming this is in good faith, it was the slur he used twice that was the problem more so than the dildo story.
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“F*g” is a derogatory word for homosexual. We don’t know this?
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“F*g” is a derogatory word for homosexual. We don’t know this?
Have you read scoop?
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Fig, hey?
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In your case, fog.
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I was trying to find a list of words if you utter, you get fired. Probably should study these.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ethnic_slurs
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_religious_slurs
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_slang
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pardon_my_French
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fighting_words
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Profanity_in_American_Sign_Language
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seven_dirty_words
Also, this. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypoalgesic_effect_of_swearing
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Got it. I thought it was Catholic F*cks.
Move along.
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Got it. I thought it was Catholic F*cks.
Move along.
That would be Notre Dame. Different thread.
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Got it. I thought it was Catholic F*cks.
Move along.
Honestly, when the story broke, that’s what I thought, too.
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Y'all got yo heads in da gutter, aina?
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Maybe he was just using British slang for a cigarette?
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Maybe he was just using British slang for a cigarette?
"Smoke some f*gs and play some pool, pretend you never went to school."
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@PeteThamel Sources: WVU and coach Bob Huggins are finalizing details for him to return to the sideline next season in the wake of him using an anti-gay slur in a radio interview earlier this week. He's expected to receive a suspension, $1 million salary reduction and sensitivity training.
I know it won't be a popular opinion here but I think this is a fair punishment. A million dollar salary reduction is not insignificant.
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@PeteThamel Sources: WVU and coach Bob Huggins are finalizing details for him to return to the sideline next season in the wake of him using an anti-gay slur in a radio interview earlier this week. He's expected to receive a suspension, $1 million salary reduction and sensitivity training.
I know it won't be a popular opinion here but I think this is a fair punishment. A million dollar salary reduction is not insignificant.
I don't care much if he stays or goes, but this reduces his salary all the way down to $3.2 million. Not bad for a guy who's won one tournament game since 2018.
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I think it was pretty clear from the booster and political support that he was going to be staying.
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They should get Joe Mazulla after the Celts lose fame 6.
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WVU is punishing itself -- they'll still be paying millions to a past-his-time coach who hasn't won squat in years.
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@PeteThamel Sources: WVU and coach Bob Huggins are finalizing details for him to return to the sideline next season in the wake of him using an anti-gay slur in a radio interview earlier this week. He's expected to receive a suspension, $1 million salary reduction and sensitivity training.
I know it won't be a popular opinion here but I think this is a fair punishment. A million dollar salary reduction is not insignificant.
I think it is fair.
Sure does support the assertion in this thread that f*g and the N word are not in the same ballpark. Some are more equal than others.
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We talk a big game for a program that has 1 Tournament wins in the last 11 seasons.
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We talk a big game for a program that has 1 Tournament wins in the last 11 seasons.
LOL. It was last year. The coach who is responsible for most of that streak is gone.
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LOL. It was last year. The coach who is responsible for most of that streak is gone.
It's not like Shaka has had much more success than "the coach who is responsible for most of the streak" over the past decade, either.
I think Shaka is great. I think he's a perfect match for Marquette. I think he will have huge success here, including in March. But he lost by 32 to an 8 seed and then got upset by a 7 seed in his two seasons so far. He wasn't expected to make the Tournament going into either of those seasons so they were still successful seasons, I just find it funny that we're turning our nose up on a coach who "only has 1 Tourney win since 2018" when our program has one Tourney win since 2013.
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It's not like Shaka has had much more success than "the coach who is responsible for most of the streak" over the past decade, either.
He has one Big East regular season championship, one Big East tournament championship, and one NCAA tournament victory. By any reasonable assessment, this is "much more" success than Wojo had.
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We talk a big game for a program that has 1 Tournament wins in the last 11 seasons.
Is it really talking a big game to point out that, even with this reduction, Huggins is well-compensated given his recent record of success?
Huggins was the 8th highest paid coach in the country last year. His program won 20+ games once in the past five seasons.
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He has one Big East regular season championship, one Big East tournament championship, and one NCAA tournament victory. By any reasonable assessment, this is "much more" success than Wojo had.
Yes. But I'm using the same criteria people are using to talk Huggins down as a basketball coach (1 Tourney win since 2018).
Wojo has 0 NCAA Tournament wins in the last decade. Shaka has 1 NCAA Tournament win in the last decade.
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I don't care much if he stays or goes, but this reduces his salary all the way down to $3.2 million. Not bad for a guy who's won one tournament game since 2018.
You’re right but the fact is D1 coaches get rich. Wojo got over 2 million in his last year at MU and a whole bunch more to leave - and he never won an NCAA tournament game. Huggins has 14 NCAA wins, 4 S16s and a Final Four at WVU. IMO he’s earned his $.
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Love that in a weird rush to defend Bob Huggins' recent run of mediocrity, people are setting Wojo as the bar for success.
"Wojo didn't win tournament games either" is hardly a ringing endorsement of Huggy Bear.
And, frankly, neither is his past success. Ben Howland won a lot of games, too. Don't see anyone arguing that he deserves $4 million a year today because of it.
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I don't care much if he stays or goes, but this reduces his salary all the way down to $3.2 million. Not bad for a guy who's won one tournament game since 2018.
…how many tourney wins for Marquette since 2018?
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…how many tourney wins for Marquette since 2018?
Like I was saying ...
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That dhead should be forced to say 10,000 Hail Mary’s.
Hopefully MU82 goes to a WVU game this year and tosses his full collection of d1ld0s on the court
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Yes. But I'm using the same criteria people are using to talk Huggins down as a basketball coach (1 Tourney win since 2018).
Wojo has 0 NCAA Tournament wins in the last decade. Shaka has 1 NCAA Tournament win in the last decade.
Shaka's been here two seasons.
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Shaka's been here two seasons.
correct. Shaka has been here two seasons, which means?
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@PeteThamel Sources: WVU and coach Bob Huggins are finalizing details for him to return to the sideline next season in the wake of him using an anti-gay slur in a radio interview earlier this week. He's expected to receive a suspension, $1 million salary reduction and sensitivity training.
I know it won't be a popular opinion here but I think this is a fair punishment. A million dollar salary reduction is not insignificant.
Suspended 3 games.
Multi year contract becomes a year by year contract.
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Shaka's been here two seasons.
And he was at a better program than Marquette (and West Virginia) for the 6 seasons prior and won 0 NCAA Tournament games.
I'm not even trying to bash Shaka. I just think it's ridiculous for the Marquette fanbase, with where the program has been over the last decade, to bash a coach because he's only won 1 NCAA Tournament game in the last 5 years.
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And he was at a better program than Marquette (and West Virginia) for the 6 seasons prior and won 0 NCAA Tournament games.
I'm not even trying to bash Shaka. I just think it's ridiculous for the Marquette fanbase, with where the program has been over the last decade, to bash a coach because he's only won 1 NCAA Tournament game in the last 5 years.
He's being bashed because he's a bigot, first and foremost.
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I'm not even trying to bash Shaka. I just think it's ridiculous for the Marquette fanbase, with where the program has been over the last decade, to bash a coach because he's only won 1 NCAA Tournament game in the last 5 years.
Yeah, that's pretty odd. One's ability to be critical of a coach - in this case, mildly critical - shouldn't be dependent on their favorite program's relative success.
By that logic, no one should have ever had a bad word for Coach K.
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You guys just need to accept that bias was dropped on his head as a kid repeatedly. Logic escapes they.
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And he was at a better program than Marquette (and West Virginia) for the 6 seasons prior and won 0 NCAA Tournament games.
I'm not even trying to bash Shaka. I just think it's ridiculous for the Marquette fanbase, with where the program has been over the last decade, to bash a coach because he's only won 1 NCAA Tournament game in the last 5 years.
So we can't be critical of a coach because Marquette's program hasn't met expectations? How on earth does that make sense?
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He's being bashed because he's a bigot, first and foremost.
Huggins is a bigot, or used unfortunate speak?
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You guys just need to accept that bias was dropped on his head as a kid repeatedly. Logic escapes they.
Also forgotten is that Bias IS NOT an MU fan, but rather a Badger troll. He gets a chubby coming here thinking he's pulling everyone's chain.
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Huggins is a bigot, or used unfortunate speak?
not the first time he used that word
https://voiceofmotown.com/breaking-new-report-sources-highlighting-bob-huggins-past-behavior/?utm_content=expand_article (https://voiceofmotown.com/breaking-new-report-sources-highlighting-bob-huggins-past-behavior/?utm_content=expand_article)
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Also forgotten is that Bias IS NOT an MU fan, but rather a Badger troll. He gets a chubby coming here thinking he's pulling everyone's chain.
Please point out a single time where I've shown to be a Badger fan in any way. Or trolled Marquette.
Other than pointing out that Jimmy Butler is not a good person and, oddly enough, who is the one famous MUBB alum that does not outwardly support MUBB, and even goes out of his way to AVOID supporting MUBB or engaging in anything MUBB related (see: shooting around at the Kern Center during the NBA Playoffs when MU is a mile away)?
I'll wait.
So we can't be critical of a coach because Marquette's program hasn't met expectations? How on earth does that make sense?
We can be critical of whoever we want. It just seems silly to be critical of someone for their lack of NCAA Tournament wins when...
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We can be critical of whoever we want. It just seems silly to be critical of someone for their lack of NCAA Tournament wins when...
Not when we aren't comparing him to Marquette or our coaching staff.
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We can be critical of whoever we want. It just seems silly to be critical of someone for their lack of NCAA Tournament wins when...
So, Florida Atlantic fans can be critical of Huggins recent tournament outcomes, but not Marquette fans.
Weird take, but OK.
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You guys just need to accept that bias was dropped on his head as a kid repeatedly. Logic escapes they.
Bump.
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Marquette thoughts on Huggins’ coaching ability.
https://twitter.com/nathanmarzion/status/1461881216261632005
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But is Huggins a crap shoot?
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But is Huggins a crap shoot?
His mouth is.
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Maybe Huggins is a gay ?
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not the first time he used that word
https://voiceofmotown.com/breaking-new-report-sources-highlighting-bob-huggins-past-behavior/?utm_content=expand_article (https://voiceofmotown.com/breaking-new-report-sources-highlighting-bob-huggins-past-behavior/?utm_content=expand_article)
I’m not going to judge, but ok
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I’m not going to judge, but ok
😂😂😂
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What ever happened to “Sticks and Stones will break my bones but names will never hurt me.” ?
Seemed like a solid premise .
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What ever happened to “Sticks and Stones will break my bones but names will never hurt me.” ?
Seemed like a solid premise .
Sure. For a 2 year old. And it was never that solid.
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What ever happened to “Sticks and Stones will break my bones but names will never hurt me.” ?
Seemed like a solid premise .
LOL.
We've moved was past 'actions speak loader than words' about 10 years ago.
Would you like to suggest leaches to cure cancer?
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😂😂😂
you laugh? Why, Sultan? Do you know Huggins’ heart? You ever meet the man? He might be a despicable guy. Maybe not. I don’t know. Which is my point.
Btw, why do you comment on EVERYTHING? I mean, everydamnthing. WHY? What’s up with that?
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you laugh? Why, Sultan? Do you know Huggins’ heart? You ever meet the man? He might be a despicable guy. Maybe not. I don’t know. Which is my point.
Btw, why do you comment on EVERYTHING? I mean, everydamnthing. WHY? What’s up with that?
Because I want to.
Anyway I have no idea what is in his heart. but I do feel I have the ability to judge when the same pejorative multiple times.
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THIS is how screwed up things are these days. Huggins not fired but this happens:
https://nypost.com/2023/05/11/locked-on-podcaster-josh-neighbors-fired-in-bob-huggins-aftermath/ (https://nypost.com/2023/05/11/locked-on-podcaster-josh-neighbors-fired-in-bob-huggins-aftermath/)
Shameful.
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Got it. I thought it was Catholic F*cks.
Move along.
I also thought this originally, because what he actually said is something I couldn't imagine a public figure uttering.
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THIS is how screwed up things are these days. Huggins not fired but this happens:
https://nypost.com/2023/05/11/locked-on-podcaster-josh-neighbors-fired-in-bob-huggins-aftermath/ (https://nypost.com/2023/05/11/locked-on-podcaster-josh-neighbors-fired-in-bob-huggins-aftermath/)
Shameful.
That's effed up.
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That's effed up.
Not really, he put his company at risk by airing slurs. He opened them up to lawsuits and potentially angered sponsors. It is not smart business to have someone with his decision making in publishing.
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Not really, he put his company at risk by airing slurs. He opened them up to lawsuits and potentially angered sponsors. It is not smart business to have someone with his decision making in publishing.
And their reactions to what Huggins said weren't exactly that of concern.
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Lol this wasn’t live ?!
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Not really, he put his company at risk by airing slurs. He opened them up to lawsuits and potentially angered sponsors. It is not smart business to have someone with his decision making in publishing.
This post is shameful.
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This post is shameful.
Go on...
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That dhead should be forced to say 10,000 Hail Mary’s.
And have Huggins write a 6 figure check to an appropriate LGBTQ support group.
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Suspended 3 games.
Multi year contract becomes a year by year contract.
Will the 3 games be against whatever next 3 opponents are Catholic schools, or just pre-season cupcakes?
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Will the 3 games be against whatever next 3 opponents are Catholic schools, or just pre-season cupcakes?
3 games falls below my “significant suspension” threshold. I’d have a little more sympathy if Huggins corrected himself or apologized in the moment.
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Remind me: Were the Xavier students reprimanded for throwing dildos on the floor? Any why did they pick that piece of equipment? Mr. Google is of no help.
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Remind me: Were the Xavier students reprimanded for throwing dildos on the floor? Any why did they pick that piece of equipment? Mr. Google is of no help.
They stole them from the rectory
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And have Huggins write a 6 figure check to an appropriate LGBTQCatholic support group.
FIFY
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They stole them from the rectory
Anti-Catholic slur
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Anti-Catholic slur
Catholics succccccckkkkkkkk
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Crean sucks
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ND sucks
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ND sucks
Some truths are universal.