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MUScoop => The Superbar => Topic started by: tower912 on April 16, 2023, 08:47:50 AM
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You all know the drill. Another unhappy person or persons with a gun lasting out. Another community devastated.
Thoughts and prayers to the officers and their families in Cyrus, Minnesota, as well.
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Happened at a teenager's birthday party.
https://www.npr.org/2023/04/16/1170295326/at-least-4-people-were-killed-in-a-shooting-at-teens-birthday-party-in-alabama
Prayers, more prayers and even more prayers. That -- and lots and lots and lots of guns for all the good guys, obviously -- is the only possible solution.
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What about Chicago?
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Good hot dogs. Bad sports teams. Too much crime. But per capita, not as bad as other places.
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Good hot dogs. Bad sports teams. Too much crime. But per capita, not as bad as other places.
Would better doors have helped?
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For kids' birthday parties, include a Glock in every gift bag.
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Fun times at the NRA convention ...
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/04/14/us/politics/nra-guns-republicans-2024.html?campaign_id=4&emc=edit_dk_20230414&instance_id=90192&nl=dealbook®i_id=108420427&segment_id=130414&te=1&user_id=d36dcf821462fdd16ec3636710a855fa
They cited Scripture and issued calls for prayer. They applauded law enforcement and demanded tighter security in schools. They lamented the nation’s mental health crisis and offered tough talk about the death penalty.
But as the most prominent current and potential Republican presidential candidates spoke before the annual gathering of the National Rifle Association, most virulently rejected the idea that more gun restrictions could curb bloodshed, even as two American cities are still mourning the latest massacres in the nation’s gun violence epidemic.
“This is not a gun problem,” insisted former President Donald J. Trump in a dark and meandering speech on Friday afternoon. “The only way to stop these wicked acts is to ensure that any sicko who would shoot up a school knows that within seconds, not minutes, they will face certain death.” He also nodded to the party’s focus on crime, saying that the issue is not too many guns, but “too many thugs, hoodlums and savage criminals on our street.”
Mike Pence, Mr. Trump’s vice president, who faced boos as he took the stage, also toed the line.
“Stop trampling on the God-given rights of the American people every time tragedy happens,” Mr. Pence said, directing his comments at “gun control extremists.”
And to warm applause, Gov. Kristi Noem of South Dakota signed an executive order onstage “to protect the God-given right to keep and bear arms from being infringed upon by financial institutions.” (She later said her not-yet-2-year-old granddaughter already owns a rifle and a shotgun.)
In many ways, the gathering was part of a pattern — a devastating mass shooting, followed by Republican displays of fealty to a group that rejects even many modest efforts to curb gun violence — that underscores a central and deepening tension in the broader American culture wars.
In 2018, prominent Republicans affirmed their strong support for gun owners’ rights at the N.R.A. meeting three months after a gunman had murdered 17 people in Parkland, Fla. In 2022, they descended on the N.R.A.’s event a few days after a gunman had killed 21 in Uvalde, Texas. And on Friday, they spoke at the N.R.A.’s convention in Indianapolis, even as Nashville and Louisville, Ky., are still grappling with the aftermath of recent mass shootings.
Despite a relentless drumbeat of gun violence that has outraged the public, galvanized a youth movement and spurred Democrats and some Republicans to action, conservative activists and organizations like the N.R.A. still often demand unwavering and effectively unlimited allegiance to the rights of gun owners, complicating any effort by candidates to meet the alarmed mood of the nation without alienating the base.
On Friday, some of the current and would-be candidates did not even attempt to navigate a balancing act.
“I’ve resisted calls to take up gun control even when such a stand is superficially unpopular,” said Gov. Ron DeSantis of Florida, who recently signed a bill allowing Florida residents to carry concealed guns without a permit. He spoke briefly by video, as did Nikki Haley, a former ambassador to the United Nations; Senator Tim Scott of South Carolina; and Mike Pompeo, a former secretary of state, who said Friday that he was not running for president.
“I understand that it is precisely at those moments when a right is unpopular that it needs true champions,” Mr. DeSantis said.
Mr. Trump, for his part, focused only briefly on last month’s shooting at a Nashville school during a lengthy address that, though well received, also saw attendees leaving in noticeable numbers about 40 minutes in. He highlighted a number of proposals related to the topic at hand, such as encouraging teachers to pursue concealed-carry firearm training, or a measure that would allow concealed-carry reciprocity across states.
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God-given right to guns? These people are unnatural carnal knowledgeing nuts.
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God-given right to guns? These people are unnatural carnal knowledgeing nuts.
If Moses had a gun, things would have been a lot different, pal
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If Moses had a gun, things would have been a lot different, pal
Maybe I missed an 11th commandment. Thou shalt have the right to keep and bear arms to blow the crap out of any motherunnatural carnal knowledgeer that angers thou.
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Maybe I missed an 11th commandment. Thou shalt have the right to keep and bear arms to blow the crap out of any motherunnatural carnal knowledgeer that angers thou.
The lame stream media won’t report that
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No such thing as a god given right. Some even argue we made up rights in their entirety. So, we can remake them.
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I neglected to offer thoughts and prayers once again to Louisville and to Chicago. Mea culpa.
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If Moses had a gun, things would have been a lot different, pal
Moses loved guns.
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If Moses had a gun, things would have been a lot different, pal
Not really.
If Moses had guns, Pharaoh probably would have had tanks, cannons, automatic weapons and maybe a few F-16s (as in Faraoh 16s -- the German way), possibly a few B52s and if some marauding army hadn't spoiled things, nuclear weapons.
Moses would have had to resort to guerilla warfare, which was pretty tough on the Sinai Peninsula.
40 Years would have turned into a war that's STILL going on.
Oh wait, it is!
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Not really.
If Moses had guns, Pharaoh probably would have had tanks, cannons, automatic weapons and maybe a few F-16s (as in Faraoh 16s -- the German way), possibly a few B52s and if some marauding army hadn't spoiled things, nuclear weapons.
Moses would have had to resort to guerilla warfare, which was pretty tough on the Sinai Peninsula.
40 Years would have turned into a war that's STILL going on.
Oh wait, it is!
He’d be a bad ass, though
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God-given right to guns? These people are unnatural carnal knowledgeing nuts.
Read the bible, pal!
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Good hot dogs. Bad sports teams. Too much crime. But per capita, not as bad as other places.
Other than the riot which took place in the Chicago Loop Saturday Evening-----the self described "" Teen Takeover"----where tourists and locals alike were set upon by roving gangs of kids and pulled from cars; multiple.people shot; stores ravaged-----other than that Chicago is a shining example of a city under control.
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Other than the riot which took place in the Chicago Loop Saturday Evening-----the self described "" Teen Takeover"----where tourists and locals alike were set upon by roving gangs of kids and pulled from cars; multiple.people shot; stores ravaged-----other than that Chicago is a shining example of a city under control.
That’s why I say “what about Chicago?”
Lame stream media likes to point out the hundreds of mass casualty events that happen across this country but ignore Chicago. Just because every week has mass casualty shootings throughout the country, we should focus on Chicago
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That’s why I say “what about Chicago?”
Lame stream media likes to point out the hundreds of mass casualty events that happen across this country but ignore Chicago. Just because every week has mass casualty shootings throughout the country, we should focus on Chicago
"Schtick"
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All part of the same problem.
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All part of the same problem.
Sure is a common denominator, no?
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Well, if you're gonna keep electing the same lame ass politicians, what'll ya expect? Don't like it, change it, aina?
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Again, we agree. We disagree over who the problem is.
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Well, if you're gonna keep electing the same lame ass politicians, what'll ya expect? Don't like it, change it, aina?
Agree 100%. I live in Milwaukee, not Chicago, so it would be impossible for me to care less about what goes on in Chicago than I already do. If the morons who live and vote there want to vest control of the streets in the criminals and tie the hands of the cops, I don't give a chit. Have at it. Who am I to tell the citizens of Chicago how to live??
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Again, we agree. We disagree over who the problem is.
Who the problem is???
Let me guess. Some tourist driving on Michigan Avenue on a Saturday evening gets yanked from his car by 3 thugs; gets the snot beat out of him; and is left bleeding on the street while his auto gets jacked.
And you think the " problem" is some poor bastard in Bozeman, Montana who sends a $100 check to the NRA every year.
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Agree 100%. I live in Milwaukee, not Chicago, so it would be impossible for me to care less about what goes on in Chicago than I already do. If the morons who live and vote there want to vest control of the streets in the criminals and tie the hands of the cops, I don't give a chit. Have at it. Who am I to tell the citizens of Chicago how to live??
Yet here you are posting about it.
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Who the problem is???
Let me guess. Some tourist driving on Michigan Avenue on a Saturday evening gets yanked from his car by 3 thugs; gets the snot beat out of him; and is left bleeding on the street while his auto gets jacked.
And you think the " problem" is some poor bastard in Bozeman, Montana who sends a $100 check to the NRA every year.
They’re both problems.
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Agree 100%. I live in Milwaukee, not Chicago, so it would be impossible for me to care less about what goes on in Chicago than I already do. If the morons who live and vote there want to vest control of the streets in the criminals and tie the hands of the cops, I don't give a chit. Have at it. Who am I to tell the citizens of Chicago how to live??
And this is why, IMHO, that gun laws should be federal. And the crimes committed with guns should be federal.
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I really thought the Louisville shooting would be the time my prayers were answered.
Alas, I guess it's time for me to become a good guy with a gun, buy some assault rifles, make sure to lock them up in line with gun laws (after all, I would plan to be a good guy with a gun), defend myself from these house intruders. It's the only solution. My prayers were not being answered because I was not being reasonable. Can't expect a change when I won't be part of the solution and put the Second Amendment to its proper use.
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Who the problem is???
Let me guess. Some tourist driving on Michigan Avenue on a Saturday evening gets yanked from his car by 3 thugs; gets the snot beat out of him; and is left bleeding on the street while his auto gets jacked.
And you think the " problem" is some poor bastard in Bozeman, Montana who sends a $100 check to the NRA every year.
Who were the "thugs" in Dadeville, Charleston, Uvalde, Parkland, Sandy Hook, Orlando, Nashville, Louisville, Vegas, Columbine, etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc?
And yes, part of the problem is that the politicians sell their souls to the NRA rather than listen to the will of the people. Hell, many of those politicians actually go out of their way to glorify guns -- bragging that their 2-year-old granddaughters own them, having their families pose with guns on Xmas cards, using imagery of their political enemies in crosshairs, claiming that gun-ownership is some kind of God-given right, and so on. They are terrible leaders, and they serve as horrible examples for the poor bastard in Bozeman.
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Light on crime politicians who promote this barbaric behavior is the problem. Have no sympathy for the citizens who vote for this chit and then call the police when it isn't safe to leave their house. Kolek 'em, hey?
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He’d be a bad ass, though
Maybe that's why the Israeli Army is totally bad-ass!
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That’s why I say “what about Chicago?”
Lame stream media likes to point out the hundreds of mass casualty events that happen across this country but ignore Chicago. Just because every week has mass casualty shootings throughout the country, we should focus on Chicago
I agree. I live in Chicago and I would like to hear more about my city. Apparently my dinner last night was ruined by all of the riots. Hopefully we hire more cops to do what they're great at: standing around drinking extra large dunkin donuts iced coffees preventing crime.
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IMO, mass shootings and other crime are not the same thing.
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IMO, every shooting is the same. A person is angry, hurting, sad, afraid, has access to a gun, and works out whatever their issue is by inflicting as much pain and suffering as possible.
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I'll repeat my earlier comment: You get the government the majority of Americans want.
That said, if we want change, there's layers of things that can be done to regulate guns. They are:
1) Ban semi-automatics.
2) Regulate and enforce gun shows and other forms of interstate gun sales.
3) Ban possession of firearms for anyone under the age of __/
4) Increase registration and ownership requirements for firearms.
5) Increase and enforce penalties for illegal or unregistered possession of firearms, no exceptions.
6) Make illegal possession of firearms a felony and enhance punishment for anyone committing crimes with firearms.
7) Ban all firearms.
So what is it Scoop Brothers and Sisters? What's your answer besides thoughts and prayers?
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I'll repeat my earlier comment: You get the government the majority of Americans want.
That said, if we want change, there's layers of things that can be done to regulate guns. They are:
1) Ban semi-automatics.
2) Regulate and enforce gun shows and other forms of interstate gun sales.
3) Ban possession of firearms for anyone under the age of __/
4) Increase registration and ownership requirements for firearms.
5) Increase and enforce penalties for illegal or unregistered possession of firearms, no exceptions.
6) Make illegal possession of firearms a felony and enhance punishment for anyone committing crimes with firearms.
7) Ban all firearms.
So what is it Scoop Brothers and Sisters? What's your answer besides thoughts and prayers?
Get tough on crime like they do in Alabama and Kentucky
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I am in on all of them. And tax ammo.
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Get tough on crime like they do in Alabama and Kentucky
So you would support creation of a gun prison where anyone holding or using an unregistered firearm would be sent to prison with no parole for an extended period of time. And, you would support locking up felons who commit assaults for firearms for extreme periods as a lesson and warning?
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IMO, every shooting is the same. A person is angry, hurting, sad, afraid, has access to a gun, and works out whatever their issue is by inflicting as much pain and suffering as possible.
That's fair.
But there's folks in here talking about non-shooting crimes. Lumping it all together
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I am in on all of them. And tax ammo.
So you would join a movement to repeal the second amendment and take guns and ammunition away from hunters, sportsmen and guns from folks who have legitimate protection needs?
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Light on crime politicians who promote this barbaric behavior is the problem. Have no sympathy for the citizens who vote for this chit and then call the police when it isn't safe to leave their house. Kolek 'em, hey?
If the problem is "light on crime politicians," please explain why murder rates are significantly higher in red states?
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So you would join a movement to repeal the second amendment and take guns and ammunition away from hunters, sportsmen and guns from folks who have legitimate protection needs?
We tax the hell out of all kinds of things without taking it away from people. Hunters and sportsmen that originally populated the NRA let their organization become what it is. The NRA doesn’t care about the legitimate sportsmen. Those days are long over.
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Address the total disregard for law and order in large, urban blue cities, hey?
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We tax the hell out of cigarettes and alcohol. All cause a lot of death. Why not tax ammo?
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IMO, every shooting is the same. A person is angry, hurting, sad, afraid, has access to a gun, and works out whatever their issue is by inflicting as much pain and suffering as possible.
So a mental case goes into a school and sprays a room full of children with bullets. And the next day a career felon walks into a liquor store and blows away the clerk for the $80 in the register. And he blows the clerk away because he's " angry, hurting, sad and afraid". Interesting that you can conflate these situations. Sounds like you're advocating for more anger management and support group intervention for our " angry, sad, hurting and afraid " stick-up man.
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We tax the hell out of cigarettes and alcohol. All cause a lot of death. Why not tax ammo?
Because of large crime in blue, urban cities
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So a mental case goes into a school and sprays a room full of children with bullets. And the next day a career felon walks into a liquor store and blows away the clerk for the $80 in the register. And he blows the clerk away because he's " angry, hurting, sad and afraid". Interesting that you can conflate these situations. Sounds like you're advocating for more anger management and support group intervention for our " angry, sad, hurting and afraid " stick-up man.
What’s the common denominator?
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Address the total disregard for law and order in large, urban blue cities, hey?
Ahem ...
Even when murders in the largest cities in red states are removed, overall murder rates in Trump-voting states were 12% higher than Biden-voting states across this 21-year period and were higher in 18 of the 21 years observed.
https://www.thirdway.org/report/the-two-decade-red-state-murder-problem
To steal a phrase ... It's the guns, stupid. More guns = more killings.
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Ahem ...
Even when murders in the largest cities in red states are removed, overall murder rates in Trump-voting states were 12% higher than Biden-voting states across this 21-year period and were higher in 18 of the 21 years observed.
https://www.thirdway.org/report/the-two-decade-red-state-murder-problem
To steal a phrase ... It's the guns, stupid. More guns = more killings.
Sir, we're not talking about numbers here. We're talking about our feelings.
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So a mental case goes into a school and sprays a room full of children with bullets. And the next day a career felon walks into a liquor store and blows away the clerk for the $80 in the register. And he blows the clerk away because he's " angry, hurting, sad and afraid". Interesting that you can conflate these situations. Sounds like you're advocating for more anger management and support group intervention for our " angry, sad, hurting and afraid " stick-up man.
The net result is the same. The dead body with the bullet holes in it doesn't care about the source. Lock them up if they survive.
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And are you going to prevent those set on commiting mass carnage from doing so? Or is it implied they will just follow the stricter gun laws, hey?
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I am in on all of them. And tax ammo.
While you're at it, tax fentanyl and heroin so we can eradicate those evils, too.
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And are you going to prevent those set on commiting mass carnage from doing so? Or is it implied they will just follow the stricter gun laws, hey?
And are you going to prevent those set on reading books with scary topics from doing so? Or is it implied they will just follow the stricter curriculum, hey?
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OK. If they can stay alive long enough to be taxed. I just wish there was agood way to tax porn. Tax all the sins.
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While you're at it, tax fentanyl and heroin so we can eradicate those evils, too.
Legalize and regulate, just like every other place that has these problems under control
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OK. If they can stay alive long enough to be taxed. I just wish there was a good way to tax porn. Tax all the sins.
Ziggy would storm the Capitol before allowing that to happen. Give him the Hub or give him death.
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Ahem ...
Even when murders in the largest cities in red states are removed, overall murder rates in Trump-voting states were 12% higher than Biden-voting states across this 21-year period and were higher in 18 of the 21 years observed.
https://www.thirdway.org/report/the-two-decade-red-state-murder-problem
To steal a phrase ... It's the guns, stupid. More guns = more killings.
More people = More Killings. Should we ban intercourse?
So I again ask the question, what do you propose as a viable solution that maintains the rights of legitimate sportsmen and sportswomen but keeps guns out of the hands of people who shouldn't be owning them?
Ultimately, what's the practical solution?
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More people = More Killings. Should we ban intercourse?
That is taking care itself. See: increased number of vasectomies..
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I'll repeat my earlier comment: You get the government the majority of Americans want.
This is provably false
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And are you going to prevent those set on commiting mass carnage from doing so? Or is it implied they will just follow the stricter gun laws, hey?
“We might not be able to stop someone so let’s do nothing”.
Predictable and idiotic.
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Address the total disregard for law and order in large, urban blue cities, hey?
Says the guy who downplays a violent, cop-crushing coup attempt in a large, blue city and who spent 7 years supporting the twice-impeached, indicted, antisemitic, racist, college-student-bilking, admitted pu$$y-grabber.
Law and order! (Unless I worship those who ignore the law and foment violent disorder.)
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Says the guy who downplays a violent, cop-crushing coup attempt in a large, blue city and who spent 7 years supporting the twice-impeached, indicted, antisemitic, racist, college-student-bilking, admitted pu$$y-grabber.
Law and order! (Unless I worship those who ignore the law and foment violent disorder.)
Good lord. 🤡
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Says the guy who downplays a violent, cop-crushing coup attempt in a large, blue city and who spent 7 years supporting the twice-impeached, indicted, antisemitic, racist, college-student-bilking, admitted pu$$y-grabber.
Law and order! (Unless I worship those who ignore the law and foment violent disorder.)
Wrong, I do not support Al Sharpton, Louis Farrakhan, or The Reverend Jesse Jackson, hey?
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Kid shot for going to the wrong house to pick up his siblings.
Good guys with guns. Sad country.
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Meh, stand your ground laws. Erect a statue of the homeowner.
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OK, so I ask you guys again. Rather than complaining about the problem, what should be done about it.
All I can see is tax bullets and blame conservatives for everything.
What should be done about it?
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OK, so I ask you guys again. Rather than complaining about the problem, what should be done about it.
All I can see is tax bullets and blame conservatives for everything.
What should be done about it?
This has been answered multiple times.
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OK, so I ask you guys again. Rather than complaining about the problem, what should be done about it.
All I can see is tax bullets and blame conservatives for everything.
What should be done about it?
Manufacture more guns, arm all citizens and don’t forget about Chicago
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This has been answered multiple times.
Then why does everyone keep whining about it? Go out and do something about it.
Get involved.
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I agreed with your proposals. I added tax ammo. Enforcing gun laws on the books is up there.
I don't blame conservatives. I blame the gun cult that thinks a gun makes you strong, keeps you safe, is responsible for your freedom,and is a right endowed by God. This mindset leads to the mistaken belief that a gun can help you assuage the anger, pain, hurt, fear, unhappiness you are feeling. By shooting the humans that you perceive are causing this negative emotion.
I disagree with the notion. That the deaths of some innocents is the price that must be paid to preserve the guns. Making guns the god is the problem.
So a changed mindset is critical.
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Then why does everyone keep whining about it? Go out and do something about it.
Get involved.
How do you know what anyone does when they aren't posting on Scoop?
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I agreed with your proposals. I added tax ammo. Enforcing gun laws on the books is up there.
I don't blame conservatives. I blame the gun cult that thinks a gun makes you strong, keeps you safe, is responsible for your freedom,and is a right endowed by God. This mindset leads to the mistaken belief that a gun can help you assuage the anger, pain, hurt, fear, unhappiness you are feeling. By shooting the humans that you perceive are causing this negative emotion.
I disagree with the notion. That the deaths of some innocents is the price that must be paid to preserve the guns. Making guns the god is the problem.
So a changed mindset is critical.
I read that approximately 5 million gun owners make their own ammo, so the govt would need to either make that illegal, or tax the hell out of the supplies too.
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I read that approximately 5 million gun owners make their own ammo, so the govt would need to either make that illegal, or tax the hell out of the supplies too.
So, I’d be curious to see this study. That seems awfully high to me coming from a family of sportsmen and recreational shooters. The past year I’ve heard a lot of complaints about a lack of ammo being available. That’s why I ask
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So, I’d be curious to see this study. That seems awfully high to me coming from a family of sportsmen and recreational shooters. The past year I’ve heard a lot of complaints about a lack of ammo being available. That’s why I ask
https://www.nwaonline.com/news/2018/oct/07/enthusiasts-make-own-ammo-20181007/ (https://www.nwaonline.com/news/2018/oct/07/enthusiasts-make-own-ammo-20181007/)
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How do you know what anyone does when they aren't posting on Scoop?
Pretty sure all some here have time for is sleep and bathroom breaks, hey?
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https://www.nwaonline.com/news/2018/oct/07/enthusiasts-make-own-ammo-20181007/ (https://www.nwaonline.com/news/2018/oct/07/enthusiasts-make-own-ammo-20181007/)
Woof
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Woof
Its scary. One guy I know has a roomfull of homemade ammo.He's not a survivalist either. Hes just cheap
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Wrong, I do not support Al Sharpton, Louis Farrakhan, or The Reverend Jesse Jackson, hey?
Since you only want to criticize the morals, ethics and legal standing of Black men, I'll be looking forward to your law-and-order take pushing for the impeachment of Clarence Thomas.
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Its scary. One guy I know has a roomfull of homemade ammo.He's not a survivalist either. Hes just cheap
People that don’t think we have a gun culture problem in this country, I don’t know what to tell them. It’s the guns and our obsession with them
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Since you only want to criticize the morals, ethics and legal standing of Black men, I'll be looking forward to your law-and-order take pushing for the impeachment of Clarence Thomas.
Not true! I look forward to Hunter Biden and his clan being brought to justice, hey?
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More people = More Killings. Should we ban intercourse?
The good news here dgies is that this is not remotely true.
In 1991, when there were roughly 252 million people in the U.S., we had 24,703 murders.
In 2020, when the population was about 332 million, we had 21,570 murders.
So, a 31.7% population increase and a 12.6% decrease in killings.
So I again ask the question, what do you propose as a viable solution that maintains the rights of legitimate sportsmen and sportswomen but keeps guns out of the hands of people who shouldn't be owning them?
Ultimately, what's the practical solution?
Many of us have made many suggestions over the years here. Universal background checks for all gun sales. Federalize gun laws so someone banned from acquiring a gun in one state can't drive across the border and get one in a neighboring state. Bans on military-style rifles. Limits on clip size. A national red flag law. A national gun registry. Safe storage requirements. Mandatory reporting of lost or stolen guns.
Before some super intelligent person says "But this won't stop all shootings" ... yeah, we know. Just like stricter DUI laws haven't stopped every moron from getting behind the wheel after having too many drinks. But, just stricter DUI laws have helped reduce DUI fatalities, these will stop some shootings, and aren't those lives worth saving?
I mean, how many schoolchildren, grocery shoppers, church attendees and concertgoers are you willing to sacrifice so some doofus can feel tough by owning an AR-15?
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The good news here dgies is that this is not remotely true.
In 1991, when there were roughly 252 million people in the U.S., we had 24,703 murders.
In 2020, when the population was about 332 million, we had 21,570 murders.
So, a 31.7% population increase and a 12.6% decrease in killings.
Many of us have made many suggestions over the years here. Universal background checks for all gun sales. Federalize gun laws so someone banned from acquiring a gun in one state can't drive across the border and get one in a neighboring state. Bans on military-style rifles. Limits on clip size. A national red flag law. A national gun registry. Safe storage requirements. Mandatory reporting of lost or stolen guns.
Before some super intelligent person says "But this won't stop all shootings" ... yeah, we know. Just like stricter DUI laws haven't stopped every moron from getting behind the wheel after having too many drinks. But, as with DUI laws, it will stop some shootings, and aren't those lives worth saving?
I mean, how many schoolchildren, grocery shoppers, church attendees and concertgoers are you willing to sacrifice so some doofus can feel tough by owning an AR-15?
Also, reform on donations so the politicians pockets can't be stuffed by the NRA
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Not true! I look forward to Hunter Biden and his clan being brought to justice, hey?
Again, agree in concept. Disagree on the names.
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I read that approximately 5 million gun owners make their own ammo, so the govt would need to either make that illegal, or tax the hell out of the supplies too.
I personally make my own ammo by melting my deceased son's metal toy soldiers.
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Pretty sure all some here have time for is sleep and bathroom breaks, hey?
It sure seems that way, doesn't it?
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I personally make my own ammo by melting my deceased son's metal toy soldiers.
Nice movie reference.
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Pretty sure all some here have time for is sleep and bathroom breaks, hey?
If any of you want to cut down on bathroom breaks I'm selling MU branded 2 liter pee bottles. They fit conveniently under your desk. Never miss a moment of Scoop action.
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So you would join a movement to repeal the second amendment and take guns and ammunition away from hunters, sportsmen and guns from folks who have legitimate protection needs?
The 2nd Amendment is about a "Well Regulated Militia.," and muskets. Don't forget the muskets.
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Some even have time for proper grammar and original thoughts.
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If any of you want to cut down on bathroom breaks I'm selling MU branded 2 liter pee bottles. They fit conveniently under your desk. Never miss a moment of Scoop action.
Those would come in handy at Fiserv Forumn in the final minutes of a close game, or especially overtime. How can I get one? I want to be the trendsetter in my row.
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Again, agree in concept. Disagree on the names.
Why can’t both?
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So you would join a movement to repeal the second amendment and take guns and ammunition away from hunters, sportsmen and guns from folks who have legitimate protection needs?
I 100% favor repealing the second amendment.
The bolded is a straw man. Repealing the second amendment would not, by itself, increase gun regulation one iota. It would remove the second amendment as a shield against additional regulation.
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Why can’t both?
Fair.
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The 2nd Amendment is about a "Well Regulated Militia.," and muskets. Don't forget the muskets.
I must have missed the part in the 2nd Amendment where muskets are specifically spelled and called out.
People dishonestly interpret many parts of the Bill of Rights to make it say things it doesn't, specifically the 1st and 2nd Amendements. There is plenty to talk about in terms of updating the 2nd Amendment in directly addressing gun culture and what civilian vs military looks like now as opposed to in 1776 without being absurdly reductive like that.
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I'll repeat my earlier comment: You get the government the majority of Americans want.
That said, if we want change, there's layers of things that can be done to regulate guns. They are:
1) Ban semi-automatics.
2) Regulate and enforce gun shows and other forms of interstate gun sales.
3) Ban possession of firearms for anyone under the age of __/
4) Increase registration and ownership requirements for firearms.
5) Increase and enforce penalties for illegal or unregistered possession of firearms, no exceptions.
6) Make illegal possession of firearms a felony and enhance punishment for anyone committing crimes with firearms.
7) Ban all firearms.
So what is it Scoop Brothers and Sisters? What's your answer besides thoughts and prayers?
And we told you that you're high if you believe that nonsense.
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And are you going to prevent those set on commiting mass carnage from doing so? Or is it implied they will just follow the stricter gun laws, hey?
The thing is, you're not presenting a plan. The mass shooting incidents are typically committed by a person who has legal access to gun and is a first time offender.
So 'locking people up' after they've committed these crimes is something no one would argue against. The rest of us are just tying to make it HARDER for mass shootings to occur.
You're worried about petty crime and damage to property, seemingly.
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Here's the plan. Quit tolerating abnormal behavior. Call it for what it is. Get help for those with mental illnesses, hey?
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Here's the plan. Quit tolerating abnormal behavior. Call it for what it is. Get help for those with mental illnesses, hey?
Okay then fund it. Put up or shut up, hey?
Also, define abnormal.
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I must have missed the part in the 2nd Amendment where muskets are specifically spelled and called out.
People dishonestly interpret many parts of the Bill of Rights to make it say things it doesn't, specifically the 1st and 2nd Amendements. There is plenty to talk about in terms of updating the 2nd Amendment in directly addressing gun culture and what civilian vs military looks like now as opposed to in 1776 without being absurdly reductive like that.
Not specific to muskets, but clearly the framers were working within the context of their specific knowledge and experience. It's a very safe to acknowledge that when crafting the 2nd Amendment, a weapon that could fire 83 rounds in less than a minute - as was the case in the Highland Park shooting - was light years beyond their imagination.
Would that have changed how they wrote it? Who knows?
What we do know that that they were wise enough to recognize that future circumstances would demand changes to the document and created a system allowing for changes.
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If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck...its a duck.
As for funding, the U.S. gives away a kazillion dollars to be the world's gate keeper. We have the funds, they are inappropriately allocated.
Protecting our schools, public and private, houses of worships, and large meeting areas with mandated, federally funded armed guards, should be a given for all citizens, hey?
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If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck...its a duck.
As for funding, the U.S. gives away a kazillion dollars to be the world's gate keeper. We have the funds, they are inappropriately allocated.
Protecting our schools, public and private, houses of worships, and large meeting areas with mandated, federally funded armed guards, should be a given for all citizens, hey?
Not sure how this helps with mental illness....
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If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck...its a duck.
As for funding, the U.S. gives away a kazillion dollars to be the world's gate keeper. We have the funds, they are inappropriately allocated.
Protecting our schools, public and private, houses of worships, and large meeting areas with mandated, federally funded armed guards, should be a given for all citizens, hey?
Sounds like a dystopian hellscape/militarized zone where nobody should want to live. No thanks...no thanks at all.
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I must have missed the part in the 2nd Amendment where muskets are specifically spelled and called out.
People dishonestly interpret many parts of the Bill of Rights to make it say things it doesn't, specifically the 1st and 2nd Amendements. There is plenty to talk about in terms of updating the 2nd Amendment in directly addressing gun culture and what civilian vs military looks like now as opposed to in 1776 without being absurdly reductive like that.
There isn’t anything reductive about it.
One part was in quotes. That means it’s a direct quote when you put something in quotes.
The other part was a popular gun at the time of the 2nd Amendment in the 1700’s.
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Here's the plan. Quit tolerating abnormal behavior. Call it for what it is. Get help for those with mental illnesses, hey?
Absolutely. Fund it for schools. Gun violence leads to mental health issues among children and adolescents.
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If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck...its a duck.
As for funding, the U.S. gives away a kazillion dollars to be the world's gate keeper. We have the funds, they are inappropriately allocated.
Protecting our schools, public and private, houses of worships, and large meeting areas with mandated, federally funded armed guards, should be a given for all citizens, hey?
Once more, someone needs to point out:
- There was an armed police officer at Parkland High School. 17 dead.
- There were dozens of police and security officers at the Las Vegas concert. 59 dead.
- There was an armed security guard at Tops grocery store in Buffalo. 10 dead.
- There were armed police officers at the Uvalde school before the shooter got inside the building. 22 dead.
- An armed security officer was at the Pulse nightclub in Orlando. 49 dead.
- There were armed guards at the Louisville bank last week. Six dead.
- There was an armed police officer at Santa Fe High School in Texas in 2018. 10 dead.
- There as an armed security officer at Oxford High School in Michigan in 2021. Four dead.
Your idea is a proven loser.
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Not specific to muskets, but clearly the framers were working within the context of their specific knowledge and experience. It's a very safe to acknowledge that when crafting the 2nd Amendment, a weapon that could fire 83 rounds in less than a minute - as was the case in the Highland Park shooting - was light years beyond their imagination.
Would that have changed how they wrote it? Who knows?
What we do know that that they were wise enough to recognize that future circumstances would demand changes to the document and created a system allowing for changes.
Yea I don't disagree with you. I just think while they clearly didn't write things with the idea of inventions 200+ years in the future in mind, they also didn't write it with a snapshot in time, with no future considerations in mind, hence calling out the circumstances or weapons of the 1770s is overly simplistic. I just don't like arguments of extremes from either side. Obviously the idea that a civilian could complete with the military went out the window once we entered the tank and plane era. I just think pro-gun control/anti-no change to the 2A advocates can do much better than snarky musket/flintlock comments I see all the time.
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Yea I don't disagree with you. I just think while they clearly didn't write things with the idea of inventions 200+ years in the future in mind, they also didn't write it with a snapshot in time, with no future considerations in mind, hence calling out the circumstances or weapons of the 1770s is overly simplistic. I just don't like arguments of extremes from either side. Obviously the idea that a civilian could complete with the military went out the window once we entered the tank and plane era. I just think pro-gun control/anti-no change to the 2A advocates can do much better than snarky musket/flintlock comments I see all the time.
Whataboutism. ✅
Both Sides. ✅
Reading things that aren’t there. ✅
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Sounds like a dystopian hellscape/militarized zone where nobody should want to live. No thanks...no thanks at all.
A dystopian hellscape that doesn't work to boot.
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I've never been to Italy, Chile, etc. Do they really have armed guards at at all schools, houses of worship, and large meeting areas? And have zero people who deal with mental health issues?
Big, if true.
Not a gun problem, though.
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I've never been to Italy, Chile, etc. Do they really have armed guards at at all schools, houses of worship, and large meeting areas? And have zero people who deal with mental health issues?
Big, if true.
Not a gun problem, though.
There are so relatively few mass shootings and murders in other Western democracies because they're not as soft on criminals.
Oh, wait ....
The use of long sentences has increased in nations across the globe over the last several decades, but the U.S. remains an outlier in the extent to which it imposes them. Both the average imposed sentence length and the actual amount of time people spend behind bars (time served) are longer in the U.S. when compared with most other countries.
The U.S. imposes longer sentences compared to countries with substantially higher rates of violence. Despite having lower homicide rates than many Latin American and Caribbean (LAC) countries, U.S. states often incarcerate more people and for longer periods of time when compared with Latin American nations.
The U.S. holds a substantial proportion of the world’s population of people serving life sentences (40%) as well as the vast majority (83%) of individuals sentenced to Life Without the Possibility of Parole (LWOP)
https://counciloncj.foleon.com/tfls/long-sentences-by-the-numbers/an-international-perspective
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https://www.yahoo.com/news/americas-parents-show-increasing-concern-133339395.html
62% want AR-15's banned.
A very similar number with school aged children say that guns are causing their children anxiety.
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Whataboutism. ✅
Both Sides. ✅
Reading things that aren’t there. ✅
There is literally none of that in there. But keep on being a smug know it all. You're relentlessly on brand when it comes to that. I'm sure you read my posts and think I'm some anti-gun control fanatic cause I don't agree with you fully. You can think people on the same side as you on an issue are being ridiculous about something while still thinking the other side is full of it.
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There is literally none of that in there. But keep on being a smug know it all. You're relentlessly on brand when it comes to that. I'm sure you read my posts and think I'm some anti-gun control fanatic cause I don't agree with you fully. You can think people on the same side as you on an issue are being ridiculous about something while still thinking the other side is full of it.
Every time you post, you give yourself away by not staying on the specific topic.
In reply 89, I even used quotes to, wait for it, quote the 2nd amendment. I also pointed out a gun of choice when it was written in the 1700’s. Those are called facts.
In reply 95, you incorrectly stated that I misquoted the 2nd Amendment. You also suggested I was dishonestly interpreting the 2nd Amendment.
Pakuni pointed out to you in reply 100, that “the framers were working within the context of their specific knowledge and experience.”
In reply 107 you stated that you “just don’t like arguments of extremes from either side.”
You also said that you believe the 2nd Amendment was written with future considerations in mind. That’s reading something that isn’t there.
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Here's the plan. Quit tolerating abnormal behavior. Call it for what it is. Get help for those with mental illnesses, hey?
Those with mental illness or more likely to be a victim of violence than to commit violence. Those with a mental illness aren't more likely to commit acts of violence.
I'm curious - does mental illness not exist in other wealthy nations where this level of gun violence does not occur? And as other have mentioned, your party is often the roadblock stopping funding that would address mental illness.
I see you also posted about protecting all of these targets with armed guards instead of actually addressing the problem itself, which is the GUN culture, the proliferation of GUNS in this country, lack of federal GUN regulations, and on and on and on.
I'll share this graph so you can ignore it and come up with more ways to deflect and ignore that the problem is GUNS.
(https://www.healthdata.org/sites/default/files/files/ActingOnData/2021/firearm_Page_1.png)
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Every time you post, you give yourself away by not staying on the specific topic.
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In reply 95, you incorrectly stated that I misquoted the 2nd Amendment. You also suggested I was dishonestly interpreting the 2nd Amendment.
I never did either. You said "The 2nd Amendment is about a "Well Regulated Militia.," and muskets" And I asked where muskets were in the verbiage of the 2nd Amendment. I never said you misquoted anything. I replied to Pakuni and spoke to a greater discussion where people dishonestly interpret any number of Amendments... which is true, in a variety of ways You naturally took that personally.
In reply 107 you stated that you “just don’t like arguments of extremes from either side.”
Again, claiming both-siderism is some BS where people try to excuse nasty behavior or stupid arguments of their side by saying everyone does it. I did nothing like that. I stated a factual opinion. I had extremism arguments of all sorts, it cheapens true discussion even from those I agree with in general on a topic. You just don't like it cause you think one side is 1000% incorrect and nothing those in opposed can say would bother you.
You also said that you believe the 2nd Amendment was written with future considerations in mind. That’s reading something that isn’t there.
Kind of like saying the 2nd Amendment is "about muskets"? If I'm reading something that isn't there, then you are too.
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So, you're on record as saying if guns were outlawed, criminals would follow the law and mass shootings would no longer be a problem in the U.S., hey?
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So, you're on record as saying if guns were outlawed, criminals would follow the law and mass shootings would no longer be a problem in the U.S., hey?
Good logic.
Why do we have laws against heroine or cocaine? Or speeding? Or driving under the influence?
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So, you're on record as saying if guns were outlawed, criminals would follow the law and mass shootings would no longer be a problem in the U.S., hey?
Of course not. This is the simplistic, black and white thinking that allows no progress on this issue.
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Yeah, those laws are very effective too, aina?
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"Why have laws, guys? Criminals don't follow them".
Never fails.
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Yeah, those laws are very effective too, aina?
Agreed. Get rid of them! Then we can stop funding the police and jails because nothing would be illegal.
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Maybe, the common denominator is devious, mentally ill people, hey?
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Kid shot for going to the wrong house to pick up his siblings.
Good guys with guns. Sad country.
Shot by an 80-something white guy. No word on where his dental practice is located.
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Maybe, the common denominator is devious, mentally ill people, hey?
Who only reside in America.
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So, you're on record as saying if guns were outlawed, criminals would follow the law and mass shootings would no longer be a problem in the U.S., hey?
No one said that. I certainly didn't say that. I also certainly didn't say to "outlaw guns".
I will add I don't think there is any reason anyone needs to own an AR-15 or weapon with similar firepower. You don't need a gun like that for self-defense or to hunt. And the damage it causes to a person is MUCH worse than that from a handgun.
But why is that your viewpoint is if making changes won't fix the problem entirely than why bother doing anything? That somehow every person that wants to commit an act of violence will always get their hands on a gun?
Also, for the love of God, please don't move the goalposts with the "if they can't get a gun they'll use something else" nonsense.
There's already too many guns out there as will as too many lax or non-existent regulations.
Shouldn't the point be too save lives even if the problem itself isn't going away entirely? The answer should be an easy 'yes'.
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Shot by an 80-something white guy. No word on where his dental practice is located.
20 something white woman shot in Washington for turning into the wrong driveway. Honestly, this should be viewed as a win for this country. Post racial America, black white brown, all can catch that lead from their peers and neighbors for simple house number identification mistakes
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Maybe, the common denominator is devious, mentally ill people, hey?
Again, do all those other wealthy, developed nations with much less violence in the US not have people with mental illness? Why doesn't this happen in Japan, Australia, Germany, the UK, Poland, and on and on and on?
Do you really think it's because the ability to treat mental illness in all of these other countries is so much better than the United States and it's the only factor?
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I never did either. You said "The 2nd Amendment is about a "Well Regulated Militia.," and muskets" And I asked where muskets were in the verbiage of the 2nd Amendment. I never said you misquoted anything. I replied to Pakuni and spoke to a greater discussion where people dishonestly interpret any number of Amendments... which is true, in a variety of ways You naturally took that personally.
Again, claiming both-siderism is some BS where people try to excuse nasty behavior or stupid arguments of their side by saying everyone does it. I did nothing like that. I stated a factual opinion. I had extremism arguments of all sorts, it cheapens true discussion even from those I agree with in general on a topic. You just don't like it cause you think one side is 1000% incorrect and nothing those in opposed can say would bother you.
Kind of like saying the 2nd Amendment is "about muskets"? If I'm reading something that isn't there, then you are too.
I quoted the amendment itself, and used quotes. I also said the amendment was about muskets because those were guns at the time the 2nd amendment was written. That’s pretty well documented as opposed to a dishonest interpretation.
You are seemingly obsessed with “sides.”
Disingenuous people aside, everyone knows it’s the guns. There’s no “side” in that.
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So, you're on record as saying if guns were outlawed, criminals would follow the law and mass shootings would no longer be a problem in the U.S., hey?
Literally nobody said this.
To quote the late, great Logan Roy, "You are not a serious person."
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20 something white woman shot in Washington for turning into the wrong driveway. Honestly, this should be viewed as a win for this country. Post racial America, black white brown, all can catch that lead from their peers and neighbors for simple house number identification mistakes
It's what makes America great!
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Maybe, the common denominator is devious, mentally ill people, hey?
That only exist in America. We're #1!
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The common denominator is guns
The common red herring is mentally I’ll people
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The common denominator is guns
The common red herring is mentally I’ll people
The common deflection is Chicago.