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MUScoop => The Superbar => Topic started by: Badgerhater on April 10, 2023, 07:30:30 AM
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Interesting story on tipping the Door Dash driver with an MU mention
https://dnyuz.com/2023/04/09/388-in-sushi-just-a-20-tip-the-brutal-math-of-uber-eats-and-doordash/
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If you can’t afford to tip at least 20% at a restaurant or a delivery driver, cook yourself or pick the order up yourself.
I just don’t understand how people can go out to places and not tip their server.
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Ignorance. Superiority complex. Though, in my experience the two frequently go hand in hand.
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Tipping should be illegal.
The gig economy is bad for everyone.
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I've always tipped on the higher side. I do think it's getting a little ridiculous though. Having 20% now as the minimum amount you're expected to tip is pretty crazy.
I also never really know what to do with carryout. I'll give smaller tip for that, but the employee isn't serving me like if I'm dining in.
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If you can’t afford to tip at least 20% at a restaurant or a delivery driver, cook yourself or pick the order up yourself.
I just don’t understand how people can go out to places and not tip their server.
If we're talking tipping at a restaurant, yes I agree.
But percentages when we're talking delivery (Uber Eats, Door Dash, etc...) is silly. When I was in NYC, I would tip according to weather, distance, etc... Especially since many of those delivery people were on bikes or what not. In the burbs, its more distance based.
But the idea that you would tip a delivery driver $5-10 on couple pizzas or sandwiches that is $50 but you should tip them $100 cause you got $500 worth of sushi is stupid to me.
Also, again people tipping a dollar or two, much less stiffing the driver, are garbage, but the idea that you should be getting a fat tip just cause its a nice house is also BS, IMO. People with means have the ability to tip more, and if they do, thats great. But its stupid to shame someone for "only" tipping $20 cause they have a nice house in a wealthy area.
But I'm also all for higher restaurant prices/server salaries and no tipping as well.
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I've always tipped on the higher side. I do think it's getting a little ridiculous though. Having 20% now as the minimum amount you're expected to tip is pretty crazy.
I also never really know what to do with carryout. I'll give smaller tip for that, but the employee isn't serving me like if I'm dining in.
It was 15% standard, 20% for great service, less for bad service.
I don't know who universally decided it's higher all of a sudden?
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It was 15% standard, 20% for great service, less for bad service.
I don't know who universally decided it's higher all of a sudden?
Ever since I started going out with my friends (and not on my parents dime) My minimum has always been 20%
Even if it’s god awful service I still won’t go below 20% cause it’s likely not the servers fault. Backed up kitchen, bad management understaffing, etc. not fair to punish the server for that.
Plus even if it is on the server, we’ve all had bad days.
I absolutely judge people who are bad tippers even my friends, pet peeve of mine forsure.
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It was 15% standard, 20% for great service, less for bad service.
I don't know who universally decided it's higher all of a sudden?
And that was for someone who took your order, brought your drinks to your table , brought your food to your table, and checked on you for everything else you might need during your meal.
Recently I went to a counter service place where I had to find my own table, walk up to the counter to order my food, and then had to return to pick up my meal. When I paid at the time of ordering, the choices for tip percentage on the screen started at 20%. All the person behind the counter did was touch a couple of buttons on the IPad to enter my order and flip it around so I could add a tip.
In my mind, that's not "service".
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Agreed. I'm all for 20%++ for full service, but I'm not giving 20% to the guy who takes my money for a takeout order, or the guy who opens my two $14 cans of beer at the Fiserv Forum. Those guys get a coupla bucks.
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And that was for someone who took your order, brought your drinks to your table , brought your food to your table, and checked on you for everything else you might need during your meal.
Recently I went to a counter service place where I had to find my own table, walk up to the counter to order my food, and then had to return to pick up my meal. When I paid at the time of ordering, the choices for tip percentage on the screen started at 20%. All the person behind the counter did was touch a couple of buttons on the IPad to enter my order and flip it around so I could add a tip.
In my mind, that's not "service".
Exactly!
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And that was for someone who took your order, brought your drinks to your table , brought your food to your table, and checked on you for everything else you might need during your meal.
Recently I went to a counter service place where I had to find my own table, walk up to the counter to order my food, and then had to return to pick up my meal. When I paid at the time of ordering, the choices for tip percentage on the screen started at 20%. All the person behind the counter did was touch a couple of buttons on the IPad to enter my order and flip it around so I could add a tip.
In my mind, that's not "service".
Are those tips split amongst the cooks/kitchen staff? That’s the assumption I’ve always made, but you know what they say about making assumptions.
I doubt the person behind the counter is keeping the 20%.
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Are those tips split amongst the cooks/kitchen staff? That’s the assumption I’ve always made, but you know what they say about making assumptions.
I doubt the person behind the counter is keeping the 20%.
When did tipping start covering everyone that works in the restaurant?
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When did tipping start covering everyone that works in the restaurant?
I don’t know if it does or doesn’t. Thought that was pretty clear.
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Tipping should be illegal.
The gig economy is bad for everyone.
Tipping shouldn't be illegal.
Being allowed to pay employees less because they can make it up in tips should be illegal.
I believe we're the only country where tipping is this common of a practice. It's really just a tactic to transfer the cost of labor from companies to customers.
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During the pandemic, I was ok with all the "new" tipping.
Now, I'm boycotting back to the old rules. Sit-down restaurants, bars, taxi/ubers, yes.
Everywhere else, no.
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Tipping should be illegal.
The gig economy is bad for everyone.
Well to do, college educated prat gatekeeping people trying to get by.
Story at 11, available on YouTube.
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During the pandemic, I was ok with all the "new" tipping.
Now, I'm boycotting back to the old rules. Sit-down restaurants, bars, taxi/ubers, yes.
Everywhere else, no.
I don’t know about others, but prior to the advent of Ubers I had stopped standard tipping in cabs for awhile. Terrible, if not shady, service. Games to rise up fares or avoid having a customer pay with card, etc…. The capper was a cabbie, circa 2010, give my friend and I a $13 ride from Lincoln Park to Lakeview one night. My friend asked for change on $20 and the driver was aghast and then became irate and called him a cheap piece of crap…for not just giving him the $20 and calling it a day. This is the night after another friend was swore at and chased from a cab for insisting on using a credit card cause he didn’t have $30 in cash. I still would tip a few dollars on good rides, and still do elsewhere when I take a decent cab. But it was in no way the expectation like tipping at a restaurant.
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During the pandemic, I was ok with all the "new" tipping.
Now, I'm boycotting back to the old rules. Sit-down restaurants, bars, taxi/ubers, yes.
Everywhere else, no.
I endorse this philosophy.
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Well to do, college educated prat gatekeeping people trying to get by.
Story at 11, available on YouTube.
Nope. I want the businesses/companies to pay their employees a full living wage
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Nope. I want the businesses/companies to pay their employees a full living wage
Companies don’t force people to work for them.
Anyway, some countries don’t tip… ifvv bc we should follow their gun laws, should we follow their tipping etiquette as well?
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Tipping shouldn't be illegal.
Being allowed to pay employees less because they can make it up in tips should be illegal.
I believe we're the only country where tipping is this common of a practice. It's really just a tactic to transfer the cost of labor from companies to customers.
People who work hard and are really good in service industries LOVE the tipping system. People who mail it in? They hate it.
I’m a generous tipper, 20% is my floor for even mediocre to poor service, considerably more for good to outstanding. Want less good/great and more mediocre/poor? Stop incentivizing good/great. Do you really think a waiter/waitress, barber, cabbie, etc., should be paid based on their “experience” rather than their effort or ability? You’re the one being served - be generous and reward it, especially when it’s good.
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People who work hard and are really good in service industries LOVE the tipping system. People who mail it in? They hate it.
I’m a generous tipper, 20% is my floor for even mediocre to poor service, considerably more for good to outstanding. Want less good/great and more mediocre/poor? Stop incentivizing good/great. Do you really think a waiter/waitress, barber, cabbie, etc., should be paid based on their “experience” rather than their effort or ability? You’re the one being served - be generous and reward it, especially when it’s good.
So you agree, it's a tactic to transfer the cost of labor from the companies to consumers?
Companies are the ones profiting off their employees. Be generous and reward it, especially when it's good.
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So you agree, it's a tactic to transfer the cost of labor from the companies to consumers?
Companies are the ones profiting off their employees. Be generous and reward it, especially when it's good.
The tipped minimum wage isn't a tactic by companies, it's the law in most states. California has a living wage for restaurant workers so are consumers expected to tip at 20% still or should we just round up like in Europe?
I am fine with either but just pick one knowing that a living wage isn't all that attractive to many sit down restaurant or bar service workers.
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My son just bought a pair of fancy schmancy Jordan 4s at a sneaker shop in Miami. When he put my credit card in, he was promoted to add a tip akin to at a cafe. It caught me off guard, but the salesperson was awesome, my son loved talking shoes with him, so he tipped him.
The tipping economy is a tough one. As a long time server in my previous life, I LOVED the stack of cash I always had, and I was able to somewhat control what I was making. As a long time restaurant/s owner in my previous life, the tip credit law made it easier on the bottom line. Now, I always paid more, and did not take advantage of the lower wage by having servers do other jobs, however, it does open up potential exploitation.
Good servers made bank, poor servers didn’t. Where we often had an issue was the non-tipped employees who were busting their rears watching the servers take in the cash. That’s why I kind of liked the tip credit law as I could pay the non-tipped employees substantially more. I always paid my dishwashers handsomely, for example, they make everything tick.
I understand how the tipping system seems to shift the onus onto the customer, if you take it away, service goes down, prices go up and the customer will still shoulder the responsibility. That’s business. People generally want affordable food, service, products, that comes with a cost. Just depends on who you want to benefit.
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My son just bought a pair of fancy schmancy Jordan 4s at a sneaker shop in Miami. When he put my credit card in, he was promoted to add a tip akin to at a cafe. It caught me off guard, but the salesperson was awesome, my son loved talking shoes with him, so he tipped him.
And here comes the next problem with "tipping." I like the story, and it's great that your salesperson was super.
But when you added that tip, how much of that does the employee see .. or are you just giving the business owner some extra profit?
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So you agree, it's a tactic to transfer the cost of labor from the companies to consumers?
The consumers are always paying the cost of labor, whether it is in tips or increased menu prices.
Most servers I know would never want tips to be eliminated. Restaurant owners would never pay them what they are making in tips.
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So you agree, it's a tactic to transfer the cost of labor from the companies to consumers?
Companies are the ones profiting off their employees. Be generous and reward it, especially when it's good.
You realize that the total cost of a meal wouldn’t change much in a no-tip system right?
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Just as soon as we begin tipping the clerks at the supermarket checkout, we should then begin tipping when we order anything online.
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I've never said to ban tipping or go to a no tip society. I said don't allow companies to pay less so tipping becomes truly about rewarding exceptional service and less about I have to do this because otherwise this person is essentially not getting paid for their work.
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So you agree, it's a tactic to transfer the cost of labor from the companies to consumers?
Companies are the ones profiting off their employees. Be generous and reward it, especially when it's good.
My room mate and I asked our Head resident at Schroeder if it would be OK to tip the cleaning staff at Christmas. He thought it was a great idea and the entire 8th floor gave the two maids that changed the beds and the custodian that cleaned the toilets and showers 100$ each. The money was appreciated, but the true gift was that they knew they were valued by all of us.
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If we're talking tipping at a restaurant, yes I agree.
But percentages when we're talking delivery (Uber Eats, Door Dash, etc...) is silly. When I was in NYC, I would tip according to weather, distance, etc... Especially since many of those delivery people were on bikes or what not. In the burbs, its more distance based.
But the idea that you would tip a delivery driver $5-10 on couple pizzas or sandwiches that is $50 but you should tip them $100 cause you got $500 worth of sushi is stupid to me.
Also, again people tipping a dollar or two, much less stiffing the driver, are garbage, but the idea that you should be getting a fat tip just cause its a nice house is also BS, IMO. People with means have the ability to tip more, and if they do, thats great. But its stupid to shame someone for "only" tipping $20 cause they have a nice house in a wealthy area.
But I'm also all for higher restaurant prices/server salaries and no tipping as well.
Yep, nailed it.
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I don’t know about others, but prior to the advent of Ubers I had stopped standard tipping in cabs for awhile. Terrible, if not shady, service. Games to rise up fares or avoid having a customer pay with card, etc…. The capper was a cabbie, circa 2010, give my friend and I a $13 ride from Lincoln Park to Lakeview one night. My friend asked for change on $20 and the driver was aghast and then became irate and called him a cheap piece of crap…for not just giving him the $20 and calling it a day. This is the night after another friend was swore at and chased from a cab for insisting on using a credit card cause he didn’t have $30 in cash. I still would tip a few dollars on good rides, and still do elsewhere when I take a decent cab. But it was in no way the expectation like tipping at a restaurant.
I took a cab from Midtown to LGA with my wife a decade or so ago, and when we arrived the cab driver told us his credit card machine didn't work. The far was $48 and he got exactly $48 from me since it was all the cash I had on hand. I guess that scam backfired on him.
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My room mate and I asked our Head resident at Schroeder if it would be OK to tip the cleaning staff at Christmas. He thought it was a great idea and the entire 8th floor gave the two maids that changed the beds and the custodian that cleaned the toilets and showers 100$ each. The money was appreciated, but the true gift was that they knew they were valued by all of us.
I don't remember the amount we came up with on my floor in Shroeder, but we did the same thing. It just seemed like the right thing to do.
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I flushed almost every time in the community John. That was enough.
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I don’t disagree that the system is broken, but I think most people criticizing it from a “greed” standpoint (this board excluded) don’t realize how little most restaurants make. It’s not like greedy pharma companies making huge profits from overpricing drugs, the idea of the average restaurant owners living high off the hog cause they are passing labor costs to the customer is just not rooted in reality. Could it all be changed? Sure. But it’s a process and as many said, many good servers, especially in higher end places, won’t like it. I think it would actually pretty non consequential in terms of the bottom line for restaurants, though the initial risk would be higher.
On a related note, while I’ve spoke about my preference for European tipping culture, the arrogance and stubbornness of Europeans toward American restaurant/tipping culture is so f-ing obnoxious. There is a mentality of “pay your employees a fair living wage like we do in Europe, I won’t support such an unfair system (nose HIGH in the air). Like they are proving some morality point sticking it to the man in the US when all it does is screw over their server. I’ve met and dealt with numerous Europeans, who are otherwise decent people, who have this dumb ass mindset. Much less the pontificating and posturing online in any sort of tipping discussion or debate. Also, spare me the “we weren’t aware” nonsense from them. It’s 2023, the internet is at everyone’s fingertips, if you have the means to vacation in the US, you’re not some barely scraping by naive citizen. It’s a unique cultural quirk of one of the largest and most influential countries in the world, spare me the convenient ignorance.
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My room mate and I asked our Head resident at Schroeder if it would be OK to tip the cleaning staff at Christmas. He thought it was a great idea and the entire 8th floor gave the two maids that changed the beds and the custodian that cleaned the toilets and showers 100$ each. The money was appreciated, but the true gift was that they knew they were valued by all of us.
I am out of the loop. When did dorms get maids?
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I am out of the loop. When did dorms get maids?
1935
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1935
Ha! I guess I walked right into that one.
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And here comes the next problem with "tipping." I like the story, and it's great that your salesperson was super.
But when you added that tip, how much of that does the employee see .. or are you just giving the business owner some extra profit?
Excellent question, and one we specifically asked. He said it went directly to him, so we tipped on the card. If he said it went to the business or he only got a percentage, I would have either not tipped or given him straight cash homie.
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You realize that the total cost of a meal wouldn’t change much in a no-tip system right?
Literally speaking, yes, the total cost of the meal wouldn’t change. However, the price of the meal would have to go up 3x and more in order to shoulder the extra costs of labor.
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Ur healthcare professional oughta be tipped as well, hey?
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Ur healthcare professional oughta be tipped as well, hey?
I have heard dentists enjoy just the tip
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Ur healthcare professional oughta be tipped as well, hey?
Why tip someone for a job I'm capable of doing myself? I can deliver food, I can drive a taxi, I can and do cut my own hair. I did, however, tip my urologist. Because I am unable to pulverize my own kidney stones.
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My room mate and I asked our Head resident at Schroeder if it would be OK to tip the cleaning staff at Christmas. He thought it was a great idea and the entire 8th floor gave the two maids that changed the beds and the custodian that cleaned the toilets and showers 100$ each. The money was appreciated, but the true gift was that they knew they were valued by all of us.
Maids that changed the beds??? Also, if this was in 60s and the entire floor threw in $100 each, they walked away rich a fuk
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Ur healthcare professional oughta be tipped as well, hey?
It's not funny. I know of at least 2 dermatologist's offices that have a tip line on their credit card receipts for medspa procedures that are performed by RNs.
It's out of control.
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Maids that changed the beds??? Also, if this was in 60s and the entire floor threw in $100 each, they walked away rich a fuk
That's only a buck or two per kid.
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That's only a buck or two per kid.
I read it as every kid threw in $100
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Ur healthcare professional oughta be tipped as well, hey?
My wife says in the old communist days of Poland, you had to tip the doctor a bottle of vodka if you didn't want to wait weeks to be seen for your ailment.
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I can see tipping the hygienist. They do all the work.
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I really don't like situations where tipping isn't historically done (e.g., counter service at a fast food place) where they spin the screen around to you, look you in the eye, and tell you, please "hit one of the buttons." It's even more annoying when the options are "20%, 25% and 30%" and you have to do a custom "0.00." I just would rather not have to personally and actively say, "no tip for you" -- particularly when someone in back is still assembling my food.
I do sometimes tip people in those situations who provide particularly good service...but I end up going through that awkward dance of trying to make sure they're looking my direction when I put the money in the jar.
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https://www.fox5vegas.com/2023/04/14/chip-readers-causing-tipping-fatigue-servers-taking-hit/
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I do sometimes tip people in those situations who provide particularly good service...but I end up going through that awkward dance of trying to make sure they're looking my direction when I put the money in the jar.
Reminds me of a scene from Seinfeld where Kramer (I think it was him) puts a tip into the jar just as the server turns away. Then he tries to retrieve it to do it again in the presence of the server, but this time he is literally caught with his hand in the jar. Great scene.
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Reminds me of a scene from Seinfeld where Kramer (I think it was him) puts a tip into the jar just as the server turns away. Then he tries to retrieve it to do it again in the presence of the server, but this time he is literally caught with his hand in the jar. Great scene.
I just re watched that episode. George and it’s the Calzone restaurant for Steinbrenner’s lunch.
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https://www.fox5vegas.com/2023/04/14/chip-readers-causing-tipping-fatigue-servers-taking-hit/
Trying to figure out what this has to do specifically with chip readers.
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I just re watched that episode. George and it’s the Calzone restaurant for Steinbrenner’s lunch.
Thanks for the correction. It was hilarious, wasn't it?