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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: DoctorV on March 25, 2023, 10:43:34 PM
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14–8
That was UConn’s record against Big East teams this season.
15-0
UConn’s record against anyone not in the Big East.
They have won every game in the NCAAt by 15+ so far.
UConn is the best team in the Final 4. They will be the favorite to win it all.
SDSU/FAU and one of Miami/Texas stand between a possible Creighton versus UConn all BE Final.
If that is the final, Marquette was 4-1 against the two finalists.
Marquette also won the conference by 3 and 4 games respectively over the 2 teams, and then won the Conference Tournament while beating UConn again.
I know we all know this, but that just all goes to show how miraculous this season was. We were all along for the ride, and when you’re in it you own it, and Marquette was the best team in the Big East and earned it all.
This tournament shows how amazing that job by Coach Shaka Smart and those players truly was.
A run that will never be forgotten.
A run that was likely under-appreciated while we all lived it.
It’s easy to say Marquette was amazing and deserved this and that, that they should have done this and done that.
That said, what’s not easy is taking a step back and realizing that Marquette actually DID do this and DO that.
They earned all of that, and at some point as time passes by and the mind fades the memory will not, because Marquette DID THAT, and it was miraculous.
BIG EAST CHAMPIONS, BiG EAST CONF TOURNEY CHAMPIONS 2023.
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I think FAU will be a very tough out for Creighton or SDSU.
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I think FAU will be a very tough out for Creighton or SDSU.
Is it because they have more spurtability than Marquette?
What are the odds that our most spurtable cat, Sean Jones, becomes the Markquis Nowell of the BE?
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Is it because they have more spurtability than Marquette?
What are the odds that our most spurtable cat, Sean Jones, becomes the Markquis Nowell of the BE?
It's not that. I've watched this team play the last three games. They're extremely difficult to guard with 4 smalls and a 7 footer. Their overall team quickness is not something Creighton or SDSU has seen all year. If Creighton wins tomorrow they will have their hands full in the F4.
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Ok fair.
So you’re saying FAU can win it all.
Do you think they are better, or a bigger challenge than what Creighton, assuming they can break the insanely tough defense in SDSU, has seen this season in your beloved Marquette and Uconn?
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Nice post. Most of us agree with the sentimental reflection you’re expressing. I’ll agree to disagree on your thoughts about this team being “under-appreciated”. As a collective fandom we have been appreciating the hell out of this team for months. People (me included) have been losing their minds and will continue to about what might have been….
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What are the odds that our most spurtable cat, Sean Jones, becomes the Markquis Nowell of the BE?
Is this a serious question?
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Ok fair.
So you’re saying FAU can win it all.
Do you think they are better, or a bigger challenge than what Creighton, assuming they can break the insanely tough defense in SDSU, has seen this season in your beloved Marquette and Uconn?
It's unlikely FAU can beat UCONN or Texas.
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What are the odds that our most spurtable cat, Sean Jones, becomes the Markquis Nowell of the BE?
Thank You! I knew I couldn't be the only one daring to dream? Who knew about Nowell at Little Rock?
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Pound the hogs
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That's why the NCAA has to do a better job of protecting college basketball. It is a much more entertaining version of basketball than the pro game.
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That's why the NCAA has to do a better job of protecting college basketball. It is a much more entertaining version of basketball than the pro game.
Disagreed. Flipping over to the Bucks/Nuggets game while watching the Elite 8 last night was night and day. Just so much better of a product in the NBA. If you enjoy watching worse and less skilled athletes, yes, college is more entertaining. But it’s like choosing to watch a freshman basketball game over watching the varsity game.
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Disagreed. Flipping over to the Bucks/Nuggets game while watching the Elite 8 last night was night and day. Just so much better of a product in the NBA. If you enjoy watching worse and less skilled athletes, yes, college is more entertaining. But it’s like choosing to watch a freshman basketball game over watching the varsity game.
I don’t think it’s as much an issue of talent on the floor, although it’s (obviously) a massive difference…The officiating in college is just horrendous. It’s ruining the product on the floor and makes games even to the most die hard of diehards, unwatchable.
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And yet we watch.
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As a true romantic, I continually get my heart broken.
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There is always Hallmark movies.
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As a true romantic, I continually get my heart broken.
Some may say it's the opposite of romance for the winner because everyone except them gets f***ed in the end.
*badum tss*
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I don’t think it’s as much an issue of talent on the floor, although it’s (obviously) a massive difference…The officiating in college is just horrendous. It’s ruining the product on the floor and makes games even to the most die hard of diehards, unwatchable.
now that you brought this up...why is the rule of replays only apply to the last 2 minutes?? so something that could turn the game at 2:01 is not worthy? i'd say either eliminate the 2 minute thing altogether and allow certain plays to be re viewable regardless, otherwise toss the whole thing
the call against creighton had to be heart breaking
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The NBA game is horrible these days. It’s three pointers and free throws.
The college game is played the way it should. The coaching in college is far better. Everyone plays harder. There is no “load management.” The defense is better.
Yes, the NBA guys are better shooters and dunkers, but there’s a lot more to the game than that stuff.
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The NBA game is horrible these days. It’s three pointers and free throws.
The college game is played the way it should. The coaching in college is far better. Everyone plays harder. There is no “load management.” The defense is better.
Yes, the NBA guys are better shooters and dunkers, but there’s a lot more to the game than that stuff.
I don't even know where to start with this.
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I don't even know where to start with this.
Yeah. That’s…a take.
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The NBA game is horrible these days. It’s three pointers and free throws.
The college game is played the way it should. The coaching in college is far better. Everyone plays harder. There is no “load management.” The defense is better.
Yes, the NBA guys are better shooters and dunkers, but there’s a lot more to the game than that stuff.
Sigh
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The NBA game is horrible these days. It’s three pointers and free throws.
The college game is played the way it should. The coaching in college is far better. Everyone plays harder. There is no “load management.” The defense is better.
Yes, the NBA guys are better shooters and dunkers, but there’s a lot more to the game than that stuff.
I actually agree with the first line. There is no doubt that NBA players are the best in the world and are amazing, but watching 60 three pointers getting launched every game is boring to me.
The pros are playing just as hard and trying to defend. The pro rules do make defense more difficult. Primarily, they can't get away with drawing charges nearly as easily as college players can (and frankly, that is the part of the college game I like the least). But the real reason defense is so difficult in the NBA is because the players are so good offensively.
I prefer watching college basketball by a mile, despite the difference in player quality.
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College has a greater disparity in styles and game types. In the NBA, you generally have a good idea of what you will get if you tune in to a random game. In college, there are dozens of different ways to win. You'll never have the shot-making nor athletic consistency of the NBA, but that doesn't take away how interesting it can be.
Honestly, the other thing that puts college over the NBA to me is it's a better story. Because we get different stars every year, you hear different stories every year. The off the court stuff is usually much more entertaining, and typically for the better. In terms of the thread title, it is a vastly more "romantic" sport to cheer for. The NBA will never match that.
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Yes, the players and teams at the college level are not as good as the NBA. And that is precisely why we like college ball - it is less pedictable, more human, and more entertaining.
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There's greater variance and opportunity for chaos in the college game because the skill level is lower. Not unlike college football.
As for the coaching and defense being better in college, that's laughable. NBA coaches are absolute killers when it comes to identifying and exploiting mismatches. The sets out of timeouts in endgame situations are way better than the college game. They can't mix defenses as much with the rules, but honestly, zones in the NBA may work for a few trips but with the shotmaking it's usually short-lived.
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There's greater variance and opportunity for chaos in the college game because the skill level is lower. Not unlike college football.
As for the coaching and defense being better in college, that's laughable. NBA coaches are absolute killers when it comes to identifying and exploiting mismatches. The sets out of timeouts in endgame situations are way better than the college game. They can't mix defenses as much with the rules, but honestly, zones in the NBA may work for a few trips but with the shotmaking it's usually short-lived.
Anyone that thinks the NBA doesn’t play defense doesn’t watch the NBA
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In general, crowds at good college basketball programs are louder and more lively, and that adds a lot to the excitement factor, but there's no better basketball than the NBA playoffs, especially once the first round is over.
The beautiful thing is that it doesn't have to be an all-or-nothing thing. I enjoy both. I like a good high school game, too. It's all basketball, the most wonderful game on earth!
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Interestingly, the regular season and through the first weekend crowds for the NCAAs go heavily to college over NBA, but I do think the NBA might have better crowds once you get to the Quarterfinals. Fiserv was absolutely rocking during that championship run. I don't think they get to the level we do if we're both playing February games against Xavier or Philadelphia, but when it's all on the line, that intensity rachets up. I do love the NBA playoffs.
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Your average mid-season NBA game is an expensive bore. Everyone is playing at 75 percent and there is a good chance one of the marquee players is out due to “muscle soreness.”
It’s understandable since the season is so long and players can’t sustain max effort and be ready for the playoffs. NBA playoff basketball past the first round is phenomenal.
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I actually agree with the first line. There is no doubt that NBA players are the best in the world and are amazing, but watching 60 three pointers getting launched every game is boring to me.
The pros are playing just as hard and trying to defend. The pro rules do make defense more difficult. Primarily, they can't get away with drawing charges nearly as easily as college players can (and frankly, that is the part of the college game I like the least). But the real reason defense is so difficult in the NBA is because the players are so good offensively.
I prefer watching college basketball by a mile, despite the difference in player quality.
Unless you're the Boston Celtics.
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A great underrated band. Catch them at the Summerfest Rock Stage on Friday, June 23rd, 5:30 pm.
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A great underrated band. Catch them at the Summerfest Rock Stage on Friday, June 23rd, 5:30 pm.
Someone at Marquette was way ahead on this.
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Someone at Marquette was way ahead on this.
Yes!! 1983, I believe. Best five bucks I spent during my years at MU.
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Yes!! 1983, I believe. Best five bucks I spent during my years at MU.
My $5 went to beer. (Note the comp on the ticket) ;D
Thanks nameless person.
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X Cleavers greatest hit....
Nice legs, shame about the face.
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Two great bands.
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X Cleavers greatest hit....
Nice legs, shame about the face.
Remake of a song by the Monks.
Those X-Cleavers was a fun band.
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On 3/4 I did the double dip with Marquette v StJ followed by Bucks v Sixers.
I prefer ncaab to NBA- partly because I grew up as a Bulls fan in the Jordan era and the Bulls can’t come anywhere close to something like that ever again, and partly because I’m a huge MU fan- but I still watch my fair share of NBA and support Gianni and the Bucks.
My main takeaways, at least on that day, was that
1- the Marquette game crowd was more exciting than the Bucks crowd- and both games ended up being nailbiters
2- it completely floored me that NBA players don’t really listen to their coach or pay attention during timeouts.
I mean I couldn’t believe how both benches just stared up at the Jumbotron during timeouts instead of actually interacting with their teammates and coaches.
Shaka also showed up with his wife and daughter so that was awesome!
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The beauty of the college game on display
https://twitter.com/tonycmke/status/1640882387885096963?s=46&t=QSiaGcOIKZrrpw0ciZkI5Q
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There is no romance when it is a cash transaction, which college basketball has become. Sorry for the poor metaphor.
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There is no romance when it is a cash transaction, which college basketball has become. Sorry for the poor metaphor.
So there's never been romance, is what you're saying. Because cash transactions were the order of the day going back to the 1970s at least.
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So there's never been romance, is what you're saying. Because cash transactions were the order of the day going back to the 1970s at least.
hmm...If there was money for players to play/stay in college in the 70s then why were the NBA/ABA bidding wars so intense? The Olympics did not go pro until '92 and if one American player was receiving cash/compensation other than a scholarship to play ball I'm sure that would have been discovered and they would have been disqualified.
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hmm...If there was money for players to play/stay in college in the 70s then why were the NBA/ABA bidding wars so intense? The Olympics did not go pro until '92 and if one American player was receiving cash/compensation other than a scholarship to play ball I'm sure that would have been discovered and they would have been disqualified.
You serious, Clark?
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hmm...If there was money for players to play/stay in college in the 70s then why were the NBA/ABA bidding wars so intense? The Olympics did not go pro until '92 and if one American player was receiving cash/compensation other than a scholarship to play ball I'm sure that would have been discovered and they would have been disqualified.
This is excellent use of no-teal teal. Bravo.
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hmm...If there was money for players to play/stay in college in the 70s then why were the NBA/ABA bidding wars so intense? The Olympics did not go pro until '92 and if one American player was receiving cash/compensation other than a scholarship to play ball I'm sure that would have been discovered and they would have been disqualified.
When Al talked about how dirty of a business recruiting was, do you think he was referring to mud between the house and the cracked sidewalk? Give me a break.
Not sure if this is delusion, naivety, or a bit, but there was unquestionably cash changing hands in the 1970s. 100%
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When Al talked about how dirty of a business recruiting was, do you think he was referring to mud between the house and the cracked sidewalk? Give me a break.
Not sure if this is delusion, naivety, or a bit, but there was unquestionably cash changing hands in the 1970s. 100%
Name me one or two players or their families that received cash or material compensation in the 70s and remained eligible to play college basketball.
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Name me one or two players or their families that received cash or material compensation in the 70s and remained eligible to play college basketball.
Pretty much every notable player that played for UCLA was funded by Sam Gilbert. David Thompson for NC State had a notoriously dirty recruitment. Cincinnati assistant Al Himel has admitted to paying numerous players in the recruiting process, most notably the time he brought a suitcase with $150,000 cash to Moses Malone and it was only the third highest total Malone received that day (he went pro directly, but the money was there). Himel also described spending a ton on Cincy big man Robert Miller.
You didn't win in the 1970s without recruiting, and you didn't win in recruiting without recruiting dirty. It's not exactly a secret.
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Name me one or two players or their families that received cash or material compensation in the 70s and remained eligible to play college basketball.
Probably a good chunk of every player that came through Marquette
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My $5 went to beer. (Note the comp on the ticket) ;D
Thanks nameless person.
You can go ahead and thank Glow. I will let him know. :)
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Probably a good chunk of every player that came through Marquette
So Chones got paid to come to Marquette but went pro because there was no food in the fridge? So the tear jerker story was just that a story. Nothing romantic about that.
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So Chones got paid to come to Marquette but went pro because there was no food in the fridge?
Benefits aren’t just cash transactions.
If you truly believe the 70’s were some halcyon day of amateurism, you’re awfully naive.
It’s been mentioned here earlier, the biggest benefactor of breaking the rules was none other than John Wooden at UCLA.
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You can go ahead and thank Glow. I will let him know. :)
If Glow brought that show to the Varsity, please thank him from me too. Loved it!
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If Glow brought that show to the Varsity, please thank him from me too. Loved it!
He did (I blanked out the signature, so not to out him). The upper deck of the varsity I thought would collapse with how much it was rocking.
He also brought Jeff Lorber Fusion, who has some scrawny little sax player named Kenny something. Gee, I can't remember the guy's full name.