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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: warriorchick on March 23, 2023, 06:51:10 PM
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https://twitter.com/docReiner/status/1638957649373831179?t=hKyhR6BbS0tnFUtR_CFvIA&s=19
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That’s a lot of words to not really give a clear message. That’s a bummer.
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That is horrible news. I do not get the announcement. That has been a weekend our family has always looked forward to.
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Terrible news for sure. A run is no longer a good thing. Not inclusive enough I guess the message is.
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Terrible news for sure. A run is no longer a good thing. Not inclusive enough I guess the message is.
Kinda reads that way. I’m sure they could have incorporated some pretty cool events for people of all abilities. Too bad
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What a horse sh1t reason.
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I haven’t gone for a long time, but I think it’s a shame. Surely they could have come up with some creative ways to expand the reach.
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Terrible news for sure. A run is no longer a good thing. Not inclusive enough I guess the message is.
Al’s run is (was) the most inclusive run/walk event I’ve ever been a part of. Something stinks to high hell
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Panda
No kidding. I have a friend from high school that has a quadriplegic son and he has been active participant in Al’s and every major run, including WI Ironman. I always loved to the joy in his face at Al’s, even now when he is grown man. The inclusion of everyone made it a special event to me.
I still remember the early days of starting in front of Children’s Hospital and seeing, the kids, nurses and Dr.’s watching and cheering on the start of the run. IMO, those were special moments in life.
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What a horse sh1t reason.
I know, right?
If not everyone can actually run in Al's Run, no one can.
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I remember the early days too. Great fun.
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https://twitter.com/docReiner/status/1638957649373831179?t=hKyhR6BbS0tnFUtR_CFvIA&s=19
So why doesn’t MU sponsor this event now. Have the NIL collective run it for the benefit of other 501c3 and a little bit for itself
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I know, right?
If not everyone can actually run in Al's Run, no one can.
Yeah...not buying the reasoning.
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I know, right?
If not everyone can actually run in Al's Run, no one can.
How F-ing stupid. One can run, walk or get pushed in a wheelchair. It’s a fundraiser that brings people together. This is one of the most moronic things I’ve heard in a long time.
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I choose to believe Children's used a terrible excuse to save some dough
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I have no insider info, but I’m guessing it’s a combo of two things:
1. I think Briggs & Stratton pulled or greatly reduced their sponsorship. That company is barely a presence in Milwaukee anymore. In fact, I think they’ll be gone from the city in a few years, so sponsoring this event doesn’t really benefit them.
2. Attendance was way down last year. 8000 runners in 2022 vs. 15,000 in 2018. And it was only 10,000 in 2019, so it wasn’t all covid related. It probably takes more than 8000 runners to make something of that magnitude make sense.
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Progress!
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PRN
Thanks for the laugh.
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I know, right?
If not everyone can actually run in Al's Run, no one can.
...and 7 likes?
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I have no insider info, but I’m guessing it’s a combo of two things:
1. I think Briggs & Stratton pulled or greatly reduced their sponsorship. That company is barely a presence in Milwaukee anymore. In fact, I think they’ll be gone from the city in a few years, so sponsoring this event doesn’t really benefit them.
2. Attendance was way down last year. 8000 runners in 2022 vs. 15,000 in 2018. And it was only 10,000 in 2019, so it wasn’t all covid related. It probably takes more than 8000 runners to make something of that magnitude make sense.
This makes plenty of sense.
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Getting a sponsor should be a fairly easy get. I have no idea how big attendance needs to be, but it is by far the biggest run/walk in the state. If Al’s is not big enough, the other 250+ 5k’s are not big enough.
I guess someone could argue the route, but a grand total of six cars drive down Wisconsin Ave on a Saturday morning.
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Survey for those who want to share their opinion with the organizers.
surveymonkey.com/r/SBHVBH3 (http://surveymonkey.com/r/SBHVBH3)
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Getting a sponsor should be a fairly easy get. I have no idea how big attendance needs to be, but it is by far the biggest run/walk in the state. If Al’s is not big enough, the other 250+ 5k’s are not big enough.
I guess someone could argue the route, but a grand total of six cars drive down Wisconsin Ave on a Saturday morning.
The logistics of Al’s run were pretty tough. Having two separate event spaces (MU campus and Summerfest grounds), bussing thousands who parked at Summerfest to the start line, etc. It’s expensive and takes a ton of time and effort. To make it work financially, they’d likely need to increase the entry fee by quite a bit, but that’d only make attendance drop even more. I think Children’s just realized they could raise more through smaller events and campaigns. They tried to sugarcoat these smaller events as being more inclusive, but this was about the costs.
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I don't understand the "it's too expensive" concept.
In the end, it raised money, lots of it. "It didn't raise enough money"??
I'm furious. That was a great event, and the PR release was just terrible.
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I guess someone could argue the route, but a grand total of six cars drive down Wisconsin Ave on a Saturday morning.
Right, but all 6 get shot at, and 12 parked along the route get broken widows. I don't blame them.
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The release sounded to me like the woke crowd intervened. Complete crap in my opinion. I could see re-formulating it for a common start/finish point...I could see so many ways to preserve it.
Maybe after next year's NCAA Championship MU can sponsor it (again) and re-name it Shaka's Run?
I ran it every year as a student. Nothing better.
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In the end, it raised money, lots of it. "It didn't raise enough money"??
Well, we didn't host an muscoop fundraising campaign the past few years, probably my fault.
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Wouldn't changing the route to start and finish at the same place reduce costs? I've seen plenty of long running road races change routes and in some cases locations to reduce cost
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Other running events have been having a hard time working with the city to get the approvals they need to close streets and provide security. I think the Waukesha parade incident has affected that.
That may be a factor in getting this event put together. So they might be looking for an event that can be held in one location without the need to close streets.
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I can live with it not being a good financial return for the hospital. The reason they gave was garbage. About the worse look possible. Fund raising and credibility need to be linked. Children’s mission will trump this blunder long term, but approaching this issue with a statement that is void of integrity is quite the blunder.
I’m guessing that the “expert” who made this call has no appreciation for the energy Milwaukee can have for this event.
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The release sounded to me like the woke crowd intervened. Complete crap in my opinion. I could see re-formulating it for a common start/finish point...I could see so many ways to preserve it.
Maybe after next year's NCAA Championship MU can sponsor it (again) and re-name it Shaka's Run?
I ran it every year as a student. Nothing better.
It didn't read like that.
You guys are going to be shocked when you hear that they're just rebranding the run to Wojo's Run.
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It didn't read like that.
You guys are going to be shocked when you hear that they're just rebranding the run to Wojo's Run.
Don't be so ableist, hards
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So why doesn’t MU sponsor this event now. Have the NIL collective run it for the benefit of other 501c3 and a little bit for itself
MU can’t have the NIL collective do anything. They are not affiliated.
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It didn't read like that.
You guys are going to be shocked when you hear that they're just rebranding the run to Wojo's Run.
So the route fades at the end and no one finishes the race upright?
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So the route fades at the end and no one finishes the race upright?
It's okay, you still get the big check at the end though.
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Can Marquette sponsor Al's run to benefit the NIL Collective?
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Can Marquette sponsor Al's run to benefit the NIL Collective?
MU can’t have the NIL collective do anything. They are not affiliated.
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LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, WELCOME TO THE 46TH AL'S RUN SPONSORED BY TOWN BANK benefitting the NIL
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You think the optics on this were bad for Children's, imagine how it'd look to pivot this event to put cash in the pockets of athletes.
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You think the optics on this were bad for Children's, imagine how it'd look to pivot this event to put cash in the pockets of athletes.
No chit. People need to get their heads out of they asses.
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This is not being well-received on social media nor in some local media outlets. The reaction is generally one of confusion around explanation. Local radio hosts (620AM) discussed this today and understood there may be ROI issues or challenges working with the city on street shut-downs/safety, but that's not the reason given. They even played an 1983 commercial with Al and Pat.
Vince (host and formerly on the board for Wisconsin Special Olympics) was as bufuddled as I am about the "ALL abilities" reason given.
I don't think you can have something called "Al's Run" if it's not for Children's or a similar cause. It's why Al put his name on the thing to start.
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I can buy the reasons given by some of our posters. The explanation is completely befuddling.
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FWIW, event-based fundraising is very much out of fashion in nonprofit/development circles. The ROI of holding events is generally not there (including the nonfinancial publicity benefits), especially when pricing in staff time. So if attendance was down, I could see that being part of the issue, along with some of the other things suggested here.
Nonprofits often have a tough time messaging why long-beloved events are canceled in a way that doesn't alienate donors. But like, pouring gasoline on the woke-SJW wars is... a choice.
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I get the difficulty associated with operating the run. When bureaucracies get involved, risk managers weigh in and pointy heads make their opinion known, people find hundreds of reasons not to do something.
There's only one reason to do something: It matters.
It Matters to Children's Hospital, not because it puts money in someone's pocket but because it raises visibility for the important work that's done at Children's Hospital of Wisconsin.
It Matters to the Community, because it is a form of exercise and calls attention to the need for physical fitness in an era of way too much obesity.
It Matters to Milwaukee, because it brings visibility to the city and the state.
It Matters to Marquette because it continues to honor a man who gave his career to something that made us proud, built a national basketball program and made us happy, made us laugh and even made us cry a few times.
I'm not a runner but I respect the work Coach Al did for the community and the loyalty he had to Southeast Wisconsin. All I can say is one word:
Idiots!
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dgies
I think your post sums things up perfectly. Well done.
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Dgies …
Excellent post. I agree. Very bad look for Children’s that this is being shut down.
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No chit. People need to get their heads out of they asses.
Is that the preferred pronoun of those who cancelled the run?
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I have no insider info, but I’m guessing it’s a combo of two things:
1. I think Briggs & Stratton pulled or greatly reduced their sponsorship. That company is barely a presence in Milwaukee anymore. In fact, I think they’ll be gone from the city in a few years, so sponsoring this event doesn’t really benefit them.
2. Attendance was way down last year. 8000 runners in 2022 vs. 15,000 in 2018. And it was only 10,000 in 2019, so it wasn’t all covid related. It probably takes more than 8000 runners to make something of that magnitude make sense.
Isn't Briggs HQ in the Milwaukee area? Are they moving?
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I'm mostly kidding about the NIL stuff but MU should take this over. Getting even 5,000 people on campus at once is a great PR thing for MU. Endless non-profits that MU could fundraise for. I'm very familar with the scale of events like this. A close family member has produced dozens of them. This is an opportunity to zag because so many are going away. Especially a timed 8K which is rare with the glutony of 5K walks. The city is becoming harder to work with one these so pausing allows them to say no in future years.
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Maybe an announcement that the event wouldn’t be held, and the public reaction to it, would bring out another sponsor that would resurrect it.
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Maybe an announcement that the event wouldn’t be held, and the public reaction to it, would bring out another sponsor that would resurrect it.
Per the press release, sponsorship isn't the problem. Yeah it might be but that's why I hope Children's explains this better. I filled out the survey and hope others do as well.
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First, it was the B&G Fish Fry. Then it was Marquette Madness, then Haunted Hoops. Now Al's Run.
They hate us!!!
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MU should absolutely take it over. Have the money go to reading and math programs for kids in Milw or to a Jesuit school in a developing country. Keeps the focus on helping kids.
Solutions, not problems.
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I think if MU took it over, it needs to stay with a local focus on kids needs.
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Would Al's estate allow it? Hologram AL will be pissed.
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Is that the preferred pronoun of those who cancelled the run?
Completely unnecessary
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What a strange way for the run to end. It was a fixture for my dad.
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Numerous races have double amputees and wheelchair participants. More to this than the lame explanation given. They are not fooling anyone.
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I’m a hospital administrator. This all makes perfect sense. Similar to administrators in other large organizations primarily funded by the government, we too seek the path of least resistance in every scenario. In this case, a purple-haired victim probably complained about the lack of inclusivity, and rather than endure ze shrieks of pain over the phone, the administrator chose to end the event with a brief Twitter post. It was probably faster to draft that post and submit it to media outlets than it would have been to deal with Karen.
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I get the difficulty associated with operating the run. When bureaucracies get involved, risk managers weigh in and pointy heads make their opinion known, people find hundreds of reasons not to do something.
There's only one reason to do something: It matters.
It Matters to Children's Hospital, not because it puts money in someone's pocket but because it raises visibility for the important work that's done at Children's Hospital of Wisconsin.
It Matters to the Community, because it is a form of exercise and calls attention to the need for physical fitness in an era of way too much obesity.
It Matters to Milwaukee, because it brings visibility to the city and the state.
It Matters to Marquette because it continues to honor a man who gave his career to something that made us proud, built a national basketball program and made us happy, made us laugh and even made us cry a few times.
I'm not a runner but I respect the work Coach Al did for the community and the loyalty he had to Southeast Wisconsin. All I can say is one word:
Idiots!
way to cut thru the sh!t dog! people need to get back to what got this started in the first place and get the politics out of it!!
whenever "things" get too big and too successful, someone who believes they have the best intentions comes in and ruins it. briggs should just step aside as they essentially have in the milwaukee business community already and let someone else become the main sponsor.
if possible, i think someone should just start over. with the mcguire family blessings, start a new one. take it to the lakefront where they could start and finish it in a logistical place. start it where all the students ran to following 1977. or where pat smith and al threw the beachball into lake michigan to prove a point to ray meyer.
https://digitalmarquette.contentdm.oclc.org/digital/collection/p16280coll1/id/14268/
*sidenote-i have concerns about children's hospital getting involved in stuff they ethically and morally have no business even thinking about and i'll leave it at that
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way to cut thru the sh!t dog! people need to get back to what got this started in the first place and get the politics out of it!!
whenever "things" get too big and too successful, someone who believes they have the best intentions comes in and ruins it. briggs should just step aside as they essentially have in the milwaukee business community already and let someone else become the main sponsor.
if possible, i think someone should just start over. with the mcguire family blessings, start a new one. take it to the lakefront where they could start and finish it in a logistical place. start it where all the students ran to following 1977. or where pat smith and al threw the beachball into lake michigan to prove a point to ray meyer.
https://digitalmarquette.contentdm.oclc.org/digital/collection/p16280coll1/id/14268/
*sidenote-i have concerns about children's hospital getting involved in stuff they ethically and morally have no business even thinking about and i'll leave it at that
No one cares about your personal views about the subject, so maybe just don't even lob that grenade in here in the first place.
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Is that the preferred pronoun of those who cancelled the run?
😂 😆
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No one cares about your personal views about the subject, so maybe just don't even lob that grenade in here in the first place.
come on hardy, this whole board is pretty much "personal views" not sure what "grenade" you are referring to but if it is "personal views" you don't like-put me on your ignore list and move along
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"ensuring our fund raising events are engaging for kids and adults of all abilities". I take that to mean they think most Milwaukee people are too fat for a run.
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Sir Larry wanted me to post this from 1978.
Not sponsored by Children's .. was the "Limb Bank" run.
(https://snipboard.io/PwbEhv.jpg)
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Thank you topper for posting. I still don’t know how to post personal photos.
I ran Al’s a dozen times. One year my best friend pointed out to me that while I did beat him, a very pregnant woman beat me (photos for sale).
As Goose and others have stated, it was truly a fun and memorable event. I had the honor of running beside Al hisself in 79 or 80, God rest his soul.
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I ran Al’s a dozen times. One year my best friend pointed out to me that while I did beat him, a very pregnant woman beat me (photos for sale).
Sir Larry, you were always a big Al's run supporter (with matching donations)... Appreciated. One day (maybe soon) we'll have a similar effort to support.
I suppose I am supposed to plug the NIL collective, but that's different. ..
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Sir
Al’s Run was still such a big event that ran into the Commissioner there last year. It was a rare sighting of a MKE legend.
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Sir
Al’s Run was still such a big event that ran into the Commissioner there last year. It was a rare sighting of a MKE legend.
I assume he was spectating not participating?
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come on hardy, this whole board is pretty much "personal views" not sure what "grenade" you are referring to but if it is "personal views" you don't like-put me on your ignore list and move along
Nah, you injected BS not related to the topic at hand that was political. You guys cry about MU82 doing it all the time.
Own it, and just knock it off like a grown up.