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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: Lennys Tap on March 19, 2023, 07:49:42 PM
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My oldest daughter (MU 2000) called me after the game - like she does after every one. She is an unabashed fanatic about Marquette basketball but usually rolls with the punches even after a tough loss. The people they show crying in the stands have heretofore amused her. “Sobbing? Over a basketball game? One you didn’t even play in?”
After today, she no longer laughs at those folks. She’s one of them. “I can’t believe I’m so emotional about this. But I just loved THIS team so much!”
Well, so did I and so did MU fans everywhere. Because they earned it - coach and players alike. Shaka will have more talented teams here and ones who have more success in the NCAAs. But this team was beyond special and we all should be hurting right now - for them. They gave us more joy this year than we could have ever expected. On and off the court they made us proud.
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It was a fun season.
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My oldest daughter (MU 2000) called me after the game - like she does after every one. She is an unabashed fanatic about Marquette basketball but usually rolls with the punches even after a tough loss. The people they show crying in the stands have heretofore amused her. “Sobbing? Over a basketball game? One you didn’t even play in?”
After today, she no longer laughs at those folks. She’s one of them. “I can’t believe I’m so emotional about this. But I just loved THIS team so much!”
Well, so did I and so did MU fans everywhere. Because they earned it - coach and players alike. Shaka will have more talented teams here and ones who have more success in the NCAAs. But this team was beyond special and we all should be hurting right now - for them. They gave us more joy this year than we could have ever expected. On and off the court they made us proud.
True. I thank the players and coaches for making Marquette basketball exciting again. Broke some records this year. Avanti! Forward!
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I’d trade every regular season accolade for a second weekend in march appearance.
Say what you want about the tourney being a crapshoot, but let’s not pretend…Those seasons are way more memorable than ones you just win the conference.
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Lenny
I am thankful that we have experienced this season. Losing sucks, but a great lesson in life. My adult kids have been texting me and all very upset and that is a good sign to me.
I have teared up several times this season because of the team MU put on the court. Trust me, give me the Houston team and I will be crying like a baby.
Cannot speak for others, but this was the most special year of MU basketball since Al. I will say it one last time, this was the most special team in 48 years, and maybe ever. Not because of talent, but how they played and represented a very proud program.
One quick editorial, anyone that did not enjoy this team, missed out. Losing sucks, but I am a proud MU fan tonight.
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Maybe we'll remember this season for a long time, but if we are lucky, this was a prelude. If we aren't, it was the one that got away
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Lenny
I am thankful that we have experienced this season. Losing sucks, but a great lesson in life. My adult kids have been texting me and all very upset and that is a good sign to me.
I have teared up several times this season because of the team MU put on the court. Trust me, give me the Houston team and I will be crying like a baby.
Cannot speak for others, but this was the most special year of MU basketball since Al. I will say it one last time, this was the most special team in 48 years, and maybe ever. Not because of talent, but how they played and represented a very proud program.
One quick editorial, anyone that did not enjoy this team, missed out. Losing sucks, but I am a proud MU fan tonight.
100%. Great season, lots to be proud of and to look forward to. They got us all fully invested in MU basketball again, that’s for sure.
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I’d trade every regular season accolade for a second weekend in march appearance.
100% agree.
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:-X100%. Great season, lots to be proud of and to look forward to. They got us all fully invested in MU basketball again, that’s for sure.
The worst thing for programs is when apathy sets in. That’s gone. Tonight hurts. That still shouldn’t stop you from being excited for the future, too.
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Topper
I would agree 99 out of 100 times and said March matters more to me many times. I just think that this is the one time we would be diminishing some great accomplishments.
Trust me, my excitement in the Shaka hire is to cut down THE nets, but these guys did something special.
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29 times I grinned from ear to ear this season!!!
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I wouldn’t trade a sweet sixteen for our regular season. No elite program counts or cares about their sweet sixteen appearances. It’s final four or bust in the tournament.
I wouldn’t trade 4 months of incredible success to instead be a bubble team and play an extra 4 days. If anything, we should be upset that we didn’t make the final four because we certainly had a good chance and would have been favored in the next 2.
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I wouldn’t trade a sweet sixteen for our regular season. No elite program counts or cares about their sweet sixteen appearances. It’s final four or bust in the tournament.
I wouldn’t trade 4 months of incredible success to instead be a bubble team and play an extra 4 days. If anything, we should be upset that we didn’t make the final four because we certainly had a good chance and would have been favored in the next 2.
People look back pretty fondly on 2011 and that’s exactly what Marquette was.
A bubble team that got hot. Everyone here loves to mention the back to back to back second weekend appearances.
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I remember 2013 for that run (and if we're being honest, that no show against Cuse) and Jae's BEPOY. We also won the BE that year (cool)
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People look back pretty fondly on 2011 and that’s exactly what Marquette was.
A bubble team that got hot. Everyone here loves to mention the back to back to back second weekend appearances.
Got hot? Man, you’re remembering a different year than me. That March encapsulated what a dumb year it was. Mediocre in the regular season despite a good roster that got run off the court in the Sweet 16
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It was a fun season.
It was a fun season, best since (maybe better) than Buzz Elite 8 and obviously since the Final Four year.
Hard to go out when not playing your A game you played much of the year.
Huge upside to this team, Shaka is a building a championship program. Marquette basketball is in a great spot even losing today.
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100% agree.
Ditto. Post Season Run > Great Reg Season. Watching Creighton and XU advance stings.
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Ditto. Post Season Run > Great Reg Season. Watching Creighton and XU advance stings.
They had great regular seasons, too
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Truth be told, Xavier and Creighton probably have more weapons than MU today. That will change.
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Lenny
I am thankful that we have experienced this season. Losing sucks, but a great lesson in life. My adult kids have been texting me and all very upset and that is a good sign to me.
I have teared up several times this season because of the team MU put on the court. Trust me, give me the Houston team and I will be crying like a baby.
Cannot speak for others, but this was the most special year of MU basketball since Al. I will say it one last time, this was the most special team in 48 years, and maybe ever. Not because of talent, but how they played and represented a very proud program.
One quick editorial, anyone that did not enjoy this team, missed out. Losing sucks, but I am a proud MU fan tonight.
Yes.
God bless you Goose
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They had great regular seasons, too
Creighton was a preseason top 10 team who lost 12 games (2 to us), finished 3rd when they were favored to win the Big East title and were rolled in the semifinals of the BE tournament by the team we rolled in the finals. So kind of a disappointing regular season, far from great.
Xavier had a really good regular season.
We had a great one.
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It was a fun season, best since (maybe better) than Buzz Elite 8 and obviously since the Final Four year.
Hard to go out when not playing your A game you played much of the year.
Huge upside to this team, Shaka is a building a championship program. Marquette basketball is in a great spot even losing today.
It is absolutely not better than the Elite 8 year. Stop it. Not even close
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A BE championship and BET championship is enough for me to declare this season as an overwhelming success.
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My oldest daughter (MU 2000) called me after the game - like she does after every one. She is an unabashed fanatic about Marquette basketball but usually rolls with the punches even after a tough loss. The people they show crying in the stands have heretofore amused her. “Sobbing? Over a basketball game? One you didn’t even play in?”
After today, she no longer laughs at those folks. She’s one of them. “I can’t believe I’m so emotional about this. But I just loved THIS team so much!”
Well, so did I and so did MU fans everywhere. Because they earned it - coach and players alike. Shaka will have more talented teams here and ones who have more success in the NCAAs. But this team was beyond special and we all should be hurting right now - for them. They gave us more joy this year than we could have ever expected. On and off the court they made us proud.
Everybody is hurting right now and no one more than Shaka and the players. And I absolutely love this team but this was a missed opportunity. There's really no other way to see it imo regardless if the entire team comes back or not. Part of the reason I'm writing this is because year to year we have no idea what the other teans are going to look like. We earned a 2 seed and were the 6th ranked team in thr country. We won the BEast and the BEast tournament and beat UCONN, XU, and Creighton twice. This is as wide open a tournament as I can ever remember and the opportunity was right there. It just hurts a ton and it will take time to recover.
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A good night to be dead inside.
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Muggsy
If you think being the fourth #2 seed is the ceiling it was a very big missed opportunity. If you believe the ceiling is higher, it was a missed opportunity.
I am a Shaka guy, but I sure hope we have better, maybe much better, teams in the future. My ceiling is very high for the program and this might be just be a great lesson learned for the program.
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A BE championship and BET championship is enough for me to declare this season as an overwhelming success.
Right on the nose, Ziggy. The result today will fade but the last 4 months will be the base on which Shaka's program will be built.
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Ditto. Post Season Run > Great Reg Season. Watching Creighton and XU advance stings.
Agree but I think many on here define a post season run as second weekend. For me it's E8 or further. No way I would trade outright BE title and the magic in NYC during the BET for 1 more tourney win. For an elite 8?... Probably. Final 4? Hell yes. I enjoyed the hell out of this year - the wins, style, the team. Shaka's pressers have been must-watch TV for me. Give me 5 months of a team that is both wildly successful AND wildly fun to follow for 5 months over 1 more tourney win and 4-5 extra days. It sucks right now because we all thought it could be regular season and post season success but I tried to live this year "in the moment" more than I usually do and am not going to let this loss take that away.
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Everybody is hurting right now and no one more than Shaka and the players. And I absolutely love this team but this was a missed opportunity. There's really no other way to see it imo regardless if the entire team comes back or not. Part of the reason I'm writing this is because year to year we have no idea what the other teans are going to look like. We earned a 2 seed and were the 6th ranked team in thr country. We won the BEast and the BEast tournament and beat UCONN, XU, and Creighton twice. This is as wide open a tournament as I can ever remember and the opportunity was right there. It just hurts a ton and it will take time to recover.
I’m with you here. We had good health and some good luck in close games this year and put ourselves in a great position for a deep run. Not only will we not know what other teams will look like next year, we won’t know what *our* team will look like when you factor in departures, injuries, and chemistry.
Take the 2016 Cubs, for example. Sure, that’s a team that *did* win it all, but they thought it’d be the start of a dynasty that would win multiple championships. And they never even got back to the World Series. They were lucky to win one. When you have a legitimate chance, you have to take advantage because there’s no telling when it’ll happen again.
Think about how long ago that UNC loss from last year’s tourney seems. And that was only a little over a year ago. MU won’t get another chance on the big stage for 12 months minimum, and that’s if we have a good year and make the dance (which I fully expect to happen, and then some). I wish I could go back to how I felt after that UCONN game in the BET. But hey, I guess heartbreak is part of what makes sports so much fun.
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I wouldn’t trade winning the BEast tournament and winning the conf title for a sloppy W tonight and then losing to KState.
Way too hot of a take for me.
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I have known many many soul wrenching disappointments in my long journey as a Marquette fan. From Rick Mounts hitting a last minute shot to knock us out of the NCAA tournament on my 10th birthday to losing in the first round in 1978.
This ranks right up there. But the season was such a joy and a blessing and the highs experienced were totally unexpected.
Would I trade a run in the NCAA for what came before, yes. But no one can take away this special season.
I love this team more than I have since the Final Four team.
They had a bad game. So be it.
Thank you guys for the joy
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Right on the nose, Ziggy. The result today will fade but the last 4 months will be the base on which Shaka's program will be built.
Well said, dick. The Marquette and the Shaka brand are both scorching hot right now. We'll get studs looking to transfer here just to be part of this, without the cash that the blue bloods/past shady programs will be tossing around.
The rebuild is ahead of schedule and the future is bright!
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A BE championship and BET championship is enough for me to declare this season as an overwhelming success.
I agree with this analysis .
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A good night to be dead inside.
Arby's is very full tonight.
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I wouldn’t trade winning the BEast tournament and winning the conf title for a sloppy W tonight and then losing to KState.
Way too hot of a take for me.
100% agreed. I don't understand the dismissive nature of an outright regular season and conference tournament title. Those are huge accomplishments and not easily done. Both are BE program firsts. That is what made this season so special and has juiced up the fan base.
I want to win titles. Regular season titles. Conference tournament titles. National championship titles. A sweet 16 run is not winning a title.
This was a very successful season. One we have not had for a long, long time. Second to the final four run.
The loss yesterday did not diminish how great of a season we had. The loss hurts more because of the great success we had this year. I wouldn't trade the outright regular season conference title or the BET championship this year for a loss in the sweet 16. Too many great memories.
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My biggest complaint with Wojo was he never added to the banners at the Al
No regular season title
No conf tourney title
No S16
Shaka did two of those in his 2nd year. Yesterday sucked but we lost to Tom Izzo, if we play FDU are we all of a sudden better?
We'll be back.
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I’d trade every regular season accolade for a second weekend in march appearance.
Say what you want about the tourney being a crapshoot, but let’s not pretend…Those seasons are way more memorable than ones you just win the conference.
There's no banner for making a Sweet 16. Would much rather walk away with the Big East conference and tournament titles than to lose next weekend against Kansas State.
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This one hurts but it hurts for the wrong reasons; we basically self destructed. I’m having a tough time seeing the positive in that even though I get the sentiment.
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Perspective. I left my caregiver job early on SUN to meet a couple friends at Hurley’s Tap in Chicago. There was very little parking nearby the bar, so I parked at St Mary’s of the Angels Catholic Church. I figured I had better at least stop inside and say a few prayers. Traffic was horrible on the way down, and my anxiety was high. All the more reason to stop inside this Church. My Marquette fandom surely ranks in the top half percent, and I couldn’t wait to catch the start of the game. As I kneeled in the pew, late for the game, not once did it occur to me to pray for a victory. All I could think about were the troubles of the world and how my boss is fighting stage 4 lymphoma and having a hard time walking. He’s been to hell and back through his treatment. He’s getting better, his cancer is in remission, but it’s been an arduous journey.
As I exited the Church, I had a feeling that MU would struggle early, but would mount a huge comeback fight, and that it would come right down to the wire. In that moment I thought of Zach Wrightsill and what he said in the aftermath of our home win against Xavier. He had his arm around OMax and said, “it’s not always gonna go our way, but man when Omax was struggling the whole game, to keep fighting like he did and persevere and produce, that says a lot.” As the team was exiting through the tunnel in Columbus after the game, there was Zach again looking bright eyed, very positive and hopeful. The guy who’s been through the most. Perspective. As Bo Ellis said in the aftermath of a tough NCAA defeat in 1974…We’ll be back. Not here. But we will be back playin for a title. As Zach said, “it’s not always gonna go our way.” In games. In life. It’s how we react and respond that counts. I’m 52 and still learning that.
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GoFast
Great post and perspective on life. I got to Mass a bit early and said few extra prayers as well. Mine were not asking for a win, but more of thanks that not only has been an unbelievable season, but also for what I learned from Shaka and this team. I cannot say enough about the good things that I have learned this season and it really came at a great time in my life.
We saw the best representation of a team for any time in my lifetime. We saw a coach that made the team better and the players better men. I can only speak for myself, but I can accept defeat with a group like MU put on the floor this season.
I will add, it was awesome seeing the MU community unite over a basketball team. I was able to meet some new scoopers, reconnect with old friends and share this season with my family.
Lastly, make no mistake about it, I am a guy that cares about winning and am disappointed they lost yesterday. Thanks for sharing your thoughts. Hope you are not a stranger during the offseason.
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As Bo Ellis said in the aftermath of a tough NCAA defeat in 1974…We’ll be back. Not here. But we will be back playin for a title.
Excellent reminder this morning. This pic is from the Al.
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Excellent reminder this morning. This pic is from the Al.
That’s a beautiful pic. Legendary quote from a legendary player. Prominent in the AL. Front and Center.
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I’d trade every regular season accolade for a second weekend in march appearance.
Say what you want about the tourney being a crapshoot, but let’s not pretend…Those seasons are way more memorable than ones you just win the conference.
I don't disagree. But multiple things can be true at once. Yesterday was a huge disappointment. And It was an awesome season, with a lot to be proud of.
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I don't disagree. But multiple things can be true at once. Yesterday was a huge disappointment. And It was an awesome season, with a lot to be proud of.
Added a ton of hardware to our trophy case and some valuable March experience to our young players mental trophy case.
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Lenny
I am thankful that we have experienced this season. Losing sucks, but a great lesson in life. My adult kids have been texting me and all very upset and that is a good sign to me.
I have teared up several times this season because of the team MU put on the court. Trust me, give me the Houston team and I will be crying like a baby.
Cannot speak for others, but this was the most special year of MU basketball since Al. I will say it one last time, this was the most special team in 48 years, and maybe ever. Not because of talent, but how they played and represented a very proud program.
One quick editorial, anyone that did not enjoy this team, missed out. Losing sucks, but I am a proud MU fan tonight.
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I was a Junior at MU for the 2003 final four team. Went to every game, lived and died with that team. It never occurred to me that I would ever enjoy a team as much as that one. This group of guys surpassed it for me. A big part of that is my kids are at the age where they understand what's going on, and following this season with them was really special. My son (he's 8) was completely over the moon in Columbus this weekend. He got to see the team win on Friday, then got to meet Kam and Tyler at the hotel. Being able to enjoy a winning team and making those kinds of memories with your family along the way is ultimately what sports is about.
I'll never forget the feeling during that semifinal game against Kansas in 2003, not only knowing that the game had been decided long before it ended, but really knowing the run with that group was over. Wade and Jackson were gone, and the pieces that were left were never going to be able to put something together to match what they had just done.
The core of this team has already done things together that we haven't seen around here in a long time. They are blessed with another chance to come back and build on what they did, and I'm really confident we'll see this core back and ready to go next fall. Losing stinks and I'm as disappointed as anyone with how the season ended, but I'm even more confident that the fun has just begun.
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MDMU04
That is awesome. I literally talked more basketball with my kids over the two months and it was great family ride. My kids are 28-36y, but they were excited like they were your kids ages. My daughter is 28 and was texting non stop during the season. I have mentioned before, but I had those experiences like your kids when I was their age with my Mom, Dad and siblings. Some of the greatest memories in my entire life.
Have to add, my Mom celebrated her 100th birthday in Heaven on Saturday and she loved MU basketball. If scoop was around she would have been adding her two cents during the Al era. She loved winning with style and got pissed at Al often for not putting teams away more.
Hope your kids enjoy another 80 years of Mu basketball. Job well done, Dad.
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Added a ton of hardware to our trophy case and some valuable March experience to our young players mental trophy case.
This.
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MDMU04
My dad raised us on MU basketball. He always used to tell us “someday we will be on Wisconsin Avenue watching the college kids run after we win the National Championship
Well after many years of heartache, my sister and I were the college kids running and seeing my dad and younger siblings
We took our sons to the Final Four in New Orleans
Hoping to take my grandson to a Final Four someday.
We had four generations at the last game of the season at the Fiserv
My mom is 93 and goes to every game
You are creating something specia with your son
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Goose.
Thanks for the kind words earlier. This Marquette team indeed has brought so many of us together, strengthening bonds, and altering schedules in a fun way.
When Shaka talked in NYC about our rich history as a program, I could feel the love in his voice, and I knew then and there he essentially became one of us. Marquette for life. Doesn’t mean he will never leave. Just that he knows how a lot of programs can claim a rich history, but very few are special. He feels now what we’ve all known and felt for some time. Marquette is a unique, special place. This is going to be a glorious ride.
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MDMU04
My dad raised us on MU basketball. He always used to tell us “someday we will be on Wisconsin Avenue watching the college kids run after we win the National Championship
Well after many years of heartache, my sister and I were the college kids running and seeing my dad and younger siblings
We took our sons to the Final Four in New Orleans
Hoping to take my grandson to a Final Four someday.
We had four generations at the last game of the season at the Fiserv
My mom is 93 and goes to every game
You are creating something specia with your son
This is fantastic Mom!
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We added a pair of trophies to the trophy case this year and won a program best 29 games.
This isn't a cry because it is over kinda thing. We are just getting started. To get to the top, you have to go through the downs TOGETHER. This team and program is built to last. They'll use this as fuel moving forward. Everyone has the ability to develop as much as they did this season yet again next season. Sky is the limit.
Fun times ahead. I hope these guys enjoy this rest period and appreciate what they did this year. It was a historic season in Milwaukee that ended earlier than most historic seasons do. We've only just begun. I believe that.
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I have known many many soul wrenching disappointments in my long journey as a Marquette fan. From Rick Mounts hitting a last minute shot to knock us out of the NCAA tournament on my 10th birthday to losing in the first round in 1978.
This ranks right up there. But the season was such a joy and a blessing and the highs experienced were totally unexpected.
Would I trade a run in the NCAA for what came before, yes. But no one can take away this special season.
I love this team more than I have since the Final Four team.
They had a bad game. So be it.
Thank you guys for the joy
I hated the draw, Izzo owns us. So, as bad as the loss feels, it was not unexpected. That loss to Miami of Ohio was brutal. That game we had no business losing. That may very well have have been the beginning of the end of Hank's era. Awful. Crickets in the Union after that one.