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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: HowardsWorld on March 18, 2023, 07:11:17 AM
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Let’s talk about Michigan States strength, weaknesses etc. finished 4th in the big 10 which at this point doesn’t matter. Watching them for USC they can hit the three ball which to be honest Marquette had a hard time guarding yesterday.
I expect a win but it should be a close one.
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Let’s talk about Michigan States strength, weaknesses etc. finished 4th in the big 10 which at this point doesn’t matter. Watching them for USC they can hit the three ball which to be honest Marquette had a hard time guarding yesterday.
I expect a win but it should be a close one.
They got physical with USC yesterday and did a good job neutralizing their two best players. I would say they are streaky offensively but their PG is capable of going off and has excellent quickness. Joey is the guy we need to find on the perimeter, especially the corner triple. If he scores on the interior we can live with that.
They will try to muck it up a bit, we have contrasting styles. I see this as a chip on our shoulder game, sort of a pseudo away game as the #2 seed. I think this can work to our advantage. The fact that we disposed of Vermont with TyKo having one if his worst games of the year is a huge positive for MU. I expect Tyler to be elite and to lead the way. Play our game, don't get caught up in the bumping on the perimeter, attack with all 5 players on the floor, and play with ZERO hesitation tomorrow. I also think those two triples by Stevie in the 2nd half will give him more confidence as well as our entire team.
This game is not about Tom Izzo or Joey Hauser. It's about Marquette being Marquette. A beautiful and cohesive team all working together, under the tutelage of a Maestro, to get to the promised land. F'Kem and take care of business. End of discussion.
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I think Shaka will have these guys plenty motivated. It being a road game. The talk being more about Izzo in March than the number 2 seed.
I think if the Hauser matchup has any impact, it will be more on Joey. I’m not sure anyone on our team was there while he was. I think Oso might have visited. I could see Joey forcing things.
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Put omax on Joey and it’s game over. If Joey is hitting shots that opens up everything for hoggard to get into the lane and make things happen inside out.
We matchup well with them. Theyre a finesse team with Joey on the floor meaning they’re not a very athletic, bouncy crash the glass group.
It’ll be tough playing them so close to Lansing but remember we just beat UConn in the garden and they’re an infinitely better team than MSU.
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Let’s talk about Michigan States strength, weaknesses etc. finished 4th in the big 10 which at this point doesn’t matter. Watching them for USC they can hit the three ball which to be honest Marquette had a hard time guarding yesterday.
I expect a win but it should be a close one.
Joey hit 4 threes . The rest of the team was 1 for 8. Dont sag off of Joey, make him put it on the floor. Im more worried about foul trouble.
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I very much was a fan of the Hauser boys, especially Sam, while they were at MU, but I hope MU brings a very quick and sad end to Joey’s collegiate career tomorrow.
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When was the last time MU played a former player?
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Ellenson senior? He began at MU and transferred to Wisconsin, iirc.
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Fortunately they don’t have a bruiser that usually gives Marquette problems like Soriano, Sanogo, Clingan, and Nunge.
Actually a pretty decent matchup for Marquette. It’s also why I really want Kansas state to beat Kentucky so e don’t have to deal with Tshiebwe
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Sissoko reminds me of one of the DePaul bigs. Long, athletic, not as skilled as he will be. Hoggard and Walker remind me of SHU and SJU guards who shoot a little better. Both lead guards. Hall is a slightly less athletic OMax who spends more time down low and than on the perimeter.
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Ellenson senior? He began at MU and transferred to Wisconsin, iirc.
Unless we are forgetting someone else, it has been more than 30 years.
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Unless we are forgetting someone else, it has been more than 30 years.
Obviously different but we played against Wardles UWGB. Sorta like playing a former player
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I think Walker is the key guy to erase. I thought Mich St. played really well yesterday but Enfield did nothing to change his defensive schemes. I expect a level of intensity and physicality from MU that will surpass our performance vs UCONN. Our guys will be ready. :)
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Didn’t we play Andy Freund?
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Must be some heads exploding in Badgerland Fandom today. Do they root for Tom Izzo and the Hausers, all of whom they hate, or do they root for Marrquette, whom they probably hate more.
What a dilema.
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Dribbler
I have a feeling there are Badger fans cheering MU this season. I have had several diehard Badger fans tell me they are pulling for MU. Now, I am sure they would not be disappointed if MU lost, but they seem to truly like this MU team.
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Joey hit 4 threes . The rest of the team was 1 for 8. Dont sag off of Joey, make him put it on the floor. Im more worried about foul trouble.
Put OMax on Joey and the rest will take care of itself.
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Goose - my badger friends (the ones that mocked me after we lost to them) now look at Greg Gard and wish they had Shaka.
Dribbler
I have a feeling there are Badger fans cheering MU this season. I have had several diehard Badger fans tell me they are pulling for MU. Now, I am sure they would not be disappointed if MU lost, but they seem to truly like this MU team.
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Will be a really good game. I know someone in Band that texted me Izzo was sitting right next to them taking notes. Curious to see that notepad...
"Watch out for Jones"
"Keep Igodaro out of lane"
"take care of ball with Mitchell"
"Break Kolek's thumb" :o
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I very much was a fan of the Hauser boys, especially Sam, while they were at MU, but I hope MU brings a very quick and sad end to Joey’s collegiate career tomorrow.
My son taught both Hausers in high school. Joey's dissing Marquette after they helped him rehab with a free semester and then dropping out is a big incentive that we should demolish them tomorrow.
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When was the last time MU played a former player?
Posed the question on Dodds' board. Dodds says Brett Roseboro at UMBC. But he never played at MU, so....
Ron Howard at Valparaiso?
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Posed the question on Dodds' board. Dodds says Brett Roseboro at UMBC. But he never played at MU, so....
Ron Howard at Valparaiso?
So....therefore he is wrong
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The closer we get to the game, the more I hope they bury MSU and conclude Joey's playing days at MSU. That said, no Joey Hauser there is a very good chance MU does not land Shaka. That may be his greatest contribution as a MU player.
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The closer we get to the game, the more I hope they bury MSU and conclude Joey's playing days at MSU. That said, no Joey Hauser there is a very good chance MU does not land Shaka. That may be his greatest contribution as a MU player.
Goose,
"Conclude" is an acceptable euphemism for introducing Joey to darkness. :)
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Sissoko reminds me of one of the DePaul bigs. Long, athletic, not as skilled as he will be. Hoggard and Walker remind me of SHU and SJU guards who shoot a little better. Both lead guards. Hall is a slightly less athletic OMax who spends more time down low and than on the perimeter.
I have been following MSU as long as i have been following MU. This is clearly not one of Coach Izzo’s more talented teams . However , I would say (even with the softness of Joey)this is definitely in the top third or so of Izzo ‘s Gritty teams which is why they some how eked out a 4th Place finish in the Big Ten . Izzo in March is always a tough out , especially with one tournament win under his belt .
All that said, providing Tyler is healthy, if we come at the same intensity we had in The BET against U Conn we will be right there at the end of the game. This is essentially going to be a road game with all The Sparty fans and everyone else wanting to see a 2 seed toppled. We proved we can win these games .
I also like the laser focus of our Coach.
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Posed the question on Dodds' board. Dodds says Brett Roseboro at UMBC. But he never played at MU, so....
Ron Howard at Valparaiso?
Theo?
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This is essentially going to be a road game with all The Sparty fans and everyone else wanting to see a 2 seed toppled. We proved we can win these games .
I am not convinced that the crowd will be quite as pro-MSU as everyone seems to expect. I know MU is the 2-seed, but MSU is the traditional powerhouse in the matchup (just like potentially Kentucky and Duke in later rounds). People who "know ball" know that MU is the better team this year and the favorite in this game, but I think a lot of people in the crowd will still view MU as the underdog against the mighty MSU and Izzo. Also, a lot of people around Ohio aren't overly fond of the state up north. I know that it's not those pretty boys from Ann Arbor...but it's almost as bad.
I don't doubt that MSU is going to represent well in Columbus and they'll have a large and loud group of fans. But I think MU will have more support than some are expecting. And I think most of the non-MSU people will be pulling for MU. I hope so, anyway. I'll try to do my part.
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There is hardly going to be anyone there because of the second game. (FDU v FAU). It will be a MSU crowd because they are physically closer and because Big 10 homers will be pulling for them.
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IMHO, people are over estimating the effect of a pseudo home crowd in the tournament.
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Tom Izzo is a bad person. Bury him
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IMHO, people are over estimating the effect of a pseudo home crowd in the tournament.
Agreed. I don’t think it was much of a factor in the BET either.
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Agreed. I don’t think it was much of a factor in the BET either.
It’s surprising how many Michigan State fans get early release to attend games or get the weekend off from delivering pizzas
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It will be a MSU crowd because they are physically closer and because Big 10 homers will be pulling for them.
I don't doubt that MSU will be a larger group than anyone else, but I don't think it will be an overwhelmingly MSU crowd. It's not like it's going to be 85/15 or anything. It'll be comparable to UConn at MSG which didn't seem overwhelming to me from where I was sitting. Were they the bigger group? Sure. But not like playing an actual road game.
I don’t think it was much of a factor in the BET either.
I agree. This team can roll with it.
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It’s surprising how many Michigan State fans get early release to attend games or get the weekend off from delivering pizzas
Glorious.
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Talking to Ohio State fans here it sounds like they don’t give a damn about conference (“we our are own team”) and will cheer for Marquette. So there’s that.
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This MU team is in one of those grooves that you see from teams making deep runs in the NCAA Tournament.
A team in a groove like this 'Quette team will typically only hit a road block against a team with one of these four qualities: overwhelming height, overwhelming length and athleticism on the wing, an incredible shooting team, or an incredible difference in terms of the quality of coaches.
This MSU team is none of these. It does not have height and it does not have the long athletic wings it's had in the past. Yes, it shoots the 3ball well, but it does not take a lot of three point shots and overall it shoots the ball below average.
It terms of coaching, Coach Izzo has experience and a National Title, but I don't see a big difference between him and Smart Coach.
Not only is the 'Quette in a groove, but I believe they are bigger and more athletic than MSU.
Anything can happen but simple logic tells me that if the 'Quette continues to play "its game" and plays solid perimeter team defense in this game tomorrow, I see them advancing to the Sweet Sixteen and for MSU I see it being curtains!
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Talking to Ohio State fans here it does like they don’t give a damn about conference (“we our are own team”) and will cheer for Marquette. So there’s that.
Not a Buckeye fan but do respect how they look at themselves
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Not a Buckeye fan but do respect how they look at themselves
I’ve come to respect Ohio State a lot more after working with a former Ohio State football player over the past year.
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I’ve come to respect Ohio State a lot more after working with a former Ohio State football player over the past year.
They’ll never do it, but I’d love to see them leave the Big Ten for the SEC. Yes, I know, never happening but it would be awesome.
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I’ve come to respect Ohio State a lot more after working with a former Ohio State football player over the past year.
I married into OSU fan family (wife is unaffiliated, but they all went) and am friends with a former OSU student assistant for Matta. It helped my opinions of them.
I'd guess those attending root for Marquette. They're not fans of MSU
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Tom Izzo is a bad person. Bury him
I lost all respect for Izzo.
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I lost all respect for Izzo.
Agreed. If MSU was smart (they are not) they would prepare written statements for him. Not a very smart or thoughtful person. (hell of a basketball coach).
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The closer we get to the game, the more I hope they bury MSU and conclude Joey's playing days at MSU. That said, no Joey Hauser there is a very good chance MU does not land Shaka. That may be his greatest contribution as a MU player.
Goose
You make an excellent point. Very well said. Will we ever learn what Joey wrote on the letter?
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TdKVl50AirA
Shaka media availability
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The closer we get to the game, the more I hope they bury MSU and conclude Joey's playing days at MSU. That said, no Joey Hauser there is a very good chance MU does not land Shaka. That may be his greatest contribution as a MU player.
We all know the Hausers' were right to leave.
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Yep. A freshman never wins a battle of wills with a coach and an All-American. Time to go.
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Play defense like we did in the BEast tourney and execute our normal offense and we could do it. Have to rebound even or better. Goo Marquette!
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Yep. A freshman never wins a battle of wills with a coach and an All-American. Time to go.
Do you think the Wojo / Howard combination would’ve won anything meaningful with a “yes sir” “no sir” version of the Hausers?
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Do you think the Wojo / Howard combination would’ve won anything meaningful with a “yes sir” “no sir” version of the Hausers?
Yes, because of their incredible leadership and success their teams found when they left
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Do you think the Wojo / Howard combination would’ve won anything meaningful with a “yes sir” “no sir” version of the Hausers?
Doesn't matter. A freshman was unhappy with system/usage and left. No more, no less. I cannot remember examples of freshmen winning that battle of wills. Can you?
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Doesn't matter. A freshman was unhappy with system/usage and left. No more, no less. I cannot remember examples of freshmen winning that battle of wills. Can you?
I guess it’s the battle of wills part I don’t get. Isn’t it just that they thought Wojo was a crap coach with a crap system and left. They were right about that. That’s why I don’t really get all the angst. Team wasn’t accomplishing crap either way.
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I guess it’s the battle of wills part I don’t get. Isn’t it just that they thought Wojo was a crap coach with a crap system and left. They were right about that. That’s why I don’t really get all the angst. Team wasn’t accomplishing crap either way.
You don’t get all the angst, huh? Whoosh
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They thought he was a crap coach and left. OK. And until this weekend, I had been rooting for Joey to do well, as I like the Spartans.
Players were unhappy with roles/system/coach and left. It happens everywhere all the time. Which is what I have been saying for years now.
Why are you still so angry?
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What do we know about Tyler’s thumb? Did he jam it? Or is it a cut? How did it happen? What’s the status? Why don’t we know these things?
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What do we know about Tyler’s thumb? Did he jam it? Or is it a cut? How did it happen? What’s the status? Why don’t we know these things?
He says it’s fine
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What do we know about Tyler’s thumb? Did he jam it? Or is it a cut? How did it happen? What’s the status? Why don’t we know these things?
https://twitter.com/bensteelemjs/status/1637168664519606272?s=46&t=l1vc6TSY1U_dNmpst3zz_g
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From practice today.
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What do we know about Tyler’s thumb? Did he jam it? Or is it a cut? How did it happen? What’s the status? Why don’t we know these things?
We do know "these things." He got it caught in the jersey of a Vermont player a minute into the game. He is ready to roll for tomorrow.
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What do we know about Tyler’s thumb? …What’s the status? Why don’t we know these things?
I’m guessing it’s because Shaka doesn’t want Tom Izzo to know these things. We know he’s going to play. ‘Nuff said.
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Yes, we don’t want MSU to know but Scoop should have the inside scoop.
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We do know "these things." He got it caught in the jersey of a Vermont player a minute into the game. He is ready to roll for tomorrow.
It was injured before that, though, as evidenced by the video from the practice the day before...probably exacerbated it against Vermont.
Shaka had a tell in the press conference, watch him when the question about Kolek's thumb comes up.
Zero doubt TK plays because he's a tough, stubborn MFer. Just hope he is effective.
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While peeing at the urinal today a another Marquette fan yelled “let’s end Joey’s career tomorrow!”
He then followed it up with “actually I like Joey. If it wasn’t for him we wouldn’t have Shaka”.
He’s not wrong.
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My CBS app is showing 74% of bets are on Marquette to cover the -2.5.
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They thought he was a crap coach and left. OK. And until this weekend, I had been rooting for Joey to do well, as I like the Spartans.
Players were unhappy with roles/system/coach and left. It happens everywhere all the time. Which is what I have been saying for years now.
Why are you still so angry?
I sense no angst from Rico. A question was asked and answered. Then, scoop happened.
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Doesn't matter. A freshman was unhappy with system/usage and left. No more, no less. I cannot remember examples of freshmen winning that battle of wills. Can you?
Respectfully disagree. When I was a freshman, our intramural inner tube water polo coach wanted us to wait to go to TheGym until after the match. We said screw that and went before AND after.
And we scored several goals on the way to a double digit loss. Showed him!
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Must be some heads exploding in Badgerland Fandom today. Do they root for Tom Izzo and the Hausers, all of whom they hate, or do they root for Marrquette, whom they probably hate more.
What a dilema.
Dribbles,
This is quite the dilemma for UW. My guess is they will treat this situation like they treated their own embarrassing Athletic Department for more than half of the 20th century with an arrogant froth of carefree athletic illiteracy. An ignorance that generated their grand slogan - "F*ck'em Bucky" among a fan base that found lackluster play in all of their sports acceptable as Crazy Legs ripped them off for millions. They were like an arrogant rodent with its eyes caught in the headlights.
I imagine they will act similarly tomorrow when the 'Quette plays Sparty. Arrogant, indecisive, carefree, and ignorant.
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Looking at a few common opponents for MSU/MU this year.
Villanova
Marquette 68 Villanova 66
Marquette 73 Villanova 64
Michigan State 73 Villanova 71
Wisconsin
Wisconsin 80 Marquette 77
Michigan State 69 Wisconsin 65
Notre Dame
Marquette 79 Notre Dame 64
Notre Dame 70 Michigan State 52
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I sense no angst from Rico. A question was asked and answered. Then, scoop happened.
You sense no angst from Rita because he is senseless
Thank you I will be here all day.
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I very much was a fan of the Hauser boys, especially Sam, while they were at MU, but I hope MU brings a very quick and sad end to Joey’s collegiate career tomorrow.
Yeah. Joey needs to put on the stretching rack until bones start popping.
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You sense no angst from Rita because he is senseless
Thank you I will be here all day.
Quite sensible. No angst because he is baked, perhaps...
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Nm
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You sense no angst from Rita because he is senseless
Thank you I will be here all day.
Willie, I have to admit that one was pretty good. It was not rim shot nor mic drop material, but still pretty good.
However, when that first joke about Rico is coupled with your second joke about "Joey on a Stretcher Rack", you seem to be on a solid roll with very good material.
Let me add a third joke for you to enhance your comedy repertoire so that all three jokes together will become a curtain closer for you.
Here's your comedy stage routine itinerary:
1. Rico Has No Sense joke.
2. Joey On A Stretcher Rack joke.
(Brief pause for rim shot)
3. Willie Warrior joke (see just below).
Willie Warrior proudly walks into a bar and everyone stops and stares because he's the local Chief.
Suddenly the Saloon door swings open and a bear walks in right behind Willie Warrior.
Mass panic ensues among the patrons of the establishment. People start screaming and ask Willie Warrior to get this giant wild animal out of the bar as soon as possible.
"Please get it out before it eats us", they yell.
Then, with his powerful booming voice Willie Warrior tells the crowd of frightened patrons, "Calm down. Bear with me."
Pause.
4. Drop Mic.
5. Curtains close.
This post just happened!!!
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We haven't beaten MSU since something like 1959, right?
So let's make this the year we exorcise all our demons demons at once.
Here's the Lansing State Journal preview:
https://www.lansingstatejournal.com/story/sports/columnists/graham-couch/2023/03/18/michigan-state-basketball-vs-marquette-ncaa-tournament-prediction-how-to-watch-listen-bet/70024483007/ (https://www.lansingstatejournal.com/story/sports/columnists/graham-couch/2023/03/18/michigan-state-basketball-vs-marquette-ncaa-tournament-prediction-how-to-watch-listen-bet/70024483007/)
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Yeah. Joey needs to put on the stretching rack until bones start popping.
Based on some comments on this board, if that were to happen, I don’t think it would take long for several scoopers to pop a bon…
Oh, you said “bones.” Never mind.
He was a kid playing for a crappy coach who wanted out. People need to get over it. Do I want MU to beat him (and MSU)? Of course. Crush them and shut Joey down. Just like I want them to win every game and shut down other teams’ best players. Okay, okay, maybe a little more with this one. But some people are a bit over the top.
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Must be some heads exploding in Badgerland Fandom today. Do they root for Tom Izzo and the Hausers, all of whom they hate, or do they root for Marrquette, whom they probably hate more.
What a dilema.
F%$k Badger fans and No Dick fans also.
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Must be some heads exploding in Badgerland Fandom today. Do they root for Tom Izzo and the Hausers, all of whom they hate, or do they root for Marrquette, whom they probably hate more.
What a dilema.
But first, they have their 11:00 AM tip-off v. Liberty to worry about.
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I want to beat MSU because that is a name the casual basketball fans know well. There are friends of mine who only really pay attention to CBB during the tournament and not as much during the year. They follow their own teams very casually. Their interest will perk up if MU beats some of these name brands. They don’t care that the name brands aren’t having good years. This is an opportunity today and the following rounds to cement our good year in the minds of the general public. If we want to puff our chests out, these are the games we need to win. Vermont was nice but basketball fans barely blinked an eye.
Go MU!!! Beat The crap out of Sparty!
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Shooter
I agree. Beating big name schools on national TV will build the brand further and help a great deal in recruiting. My optimism is based off of MSU is not the same level of team as years past, but still a big name program. It is time to continue to move the program to another level. Today will be a nice start.
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I want to beat MSU because that is a name the casual basketball fans know well. There are friends of mine who only really pay attention to CBB during the tournament and not as much during the year. They follow their own teams very casually.
Go MU!!! Beat The crap out of Sparty!
So you know a lot of Badger fans too...same here.
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Shooter
I agree. Beating big name schools on national TV will build the brand further and help a great deal in recruiting. My optimism is based off of MSU is not the same level of team as years past, but still a big name program. It is time to continue to move the program to another level. Today will be a nice start.
Agreed Goose.
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I want to beat MSU because they are the next team up.
Marquette has a national title to win.
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I want to beat MSU because they are the next team up.
Marquette has a national title to win.
Win the title and everything takes care of itself. Agreed on this as well.
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I want to beat MSU because they are the next team up.
Marquette has a national title to win.
I agree with this analysis.
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I want to beat MSU because they are the next team up.
Marquette has a national title to win.
Succinct.
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Looks like 60% of the bets are on Marquette to cover the -3, but 63% of the money is on Michigan State to cover the +3.
50 minutes til tip!!!
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I think Walker is the key guy to erase. I thought Mich St. played really well yesterday but Enfield did nothing to change his defensive schemes. I expect a level of intensity and physicality from MU that will surpass our performance vs UCONN. Our guys will be ready. :)
Occasionally I spot the right player to focus on. Lost in much of the discussion over the past 15 hours is that their PG was the best player on the floor and made all their key plays. He also had zero turnovers. That doesn't change our stretch of ineptitude but when I ask for someone to be erased in the future I expect to be taken seriously. :)
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Occasionally I spot the right player to focus on. Lost in much of the discussion over the past 15 hours is that their PG was the best player on the floor and made all their key plays. He also had zero turnovers. That doesn't change our stretch of ineptitude but when I ask for someone to be erased in the future I expect to be taken seriously. :)
He hit two really difficult drives, and at least two longer twos on tough stop and pops. Props to him.
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He hit two really difficult drives, and at least two longer twos on tough stop and pops. Props to him.
By far the best player on the floor yesterday. I'll give him props but no one else. :)
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He hit two really difficult drives, and at least two longer twos on tough stop and pops. Props to him.
I thought MSU hit a lot of tough shots at the rim and we didn’t. Some of Kam’s layups rolled off the rim and others had shots that had no chance at going in or even hitting the rim.
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I thought MSU hit a lot of tough shots at the rim and we didn’t. Some of Kam’s layups rolled off the rim and others had shots that had no chance at going in or even hitting the rim.
Being-10 at the FT line didn't help either.