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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: muwarrior69 on March 14, 2023, 06:02:44 PM
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SEMO already has 6 team fouls 7 minutes into the first half. Do the officials call a tighter game in the Tournament?
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Everyone knows that the refs hate SEMO. The media hates 'em, too.
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Everyone knows that the refs hate SEMO. The media hates 'em, too.
ESPN refused to mention SEMO until they had to when they won the conference tourney.
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Everyone knows that the refs hate SEMO. The media hates 'em, too.
Because their marketing department sucks.
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SEMO played the entire season basically 6 vs 5. It’s a miracle they even made it this far.
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I think we are going to SE-LESS of them soon amirite?
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Greg Elliott on the board with a 3 in the opening minutes for Pitt.
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Greg Elliott on the board with a 3 in the opening minutes for Pitt.
I’m pulling for Greg but watch him on offense. Just stands at the 3 pt line and hardly moves. No urgency. Maybe that’s how Pitt runs their offense?
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Miss state 26% as a team from 3 for season
already have 4 makes tonight
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It’s so weird watching a team play defense by sagging off the guy with the ball instead of being in their grill 8 feet beyond the 3pt line
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Well, according to Fran Fraschilla, Wisconsin was "one or two baskets away from making the NCAA tournament".
#Clownschool
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Well, according to Fran Fraschilla, Wisconsin was "one or two baskets away from making the NCAA tournament".
#Clownschool
Goes both ways. They were also two baskets away from a losing record. Throughly mediocre.
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GE looks like he is wearing a pair of slides. But, they appear to be working out for him as I've only seen him fall down once or twice so far.
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Well, according to Fran Fraschilla, Wisconsin was "one or two baskets away from making the NCAA tournament".
#Clownschool
Kohl Center is on fire tonight. (Apologies for the non-NCAA post)
https://twitter.com/toddmilewski/status/1635818543659773955?s=46&t=TZ_cPvIe7pp0GisUlD32eg
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How in the world did we lose to this Mississippi State team?
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Just thinking the same thing!!
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Congrats to Greg Elliot - just got to 1k points with a late jumper against Miss St- nice little career - maybe make a coach some day
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Congrats to Greg Elliot - just got to 1k points with a late jumper against Miss St- nice little career - maybe make a coach some day
Same to Greg Elliott too! 6 years!
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Well, according to Fran Fraschilla, Wisconsin was "one or two baskets away from making the NCAA tournament".
#Clownschool
And at one point calling them one of the best teams in the country (when they are clicking). Yeah, 12th place in a mediocre conference is not one of the best teams in the country. He is a clown.
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And at one point calling them one of the best teams in the country (when they are clicking). Yeah, 12th place in a mediocre conference is not one of the best teams in the country. He is a clown.
LOL. I assume he compared Crowl to Pau Gasol or Kevin McHale.
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Kohl Center is on fire tonight. (Apologies for the non-NCAA post)
https://twitter.com/toddmilewski/status/1635818543659773955?s=46&t=TZ_cPvIe7pp0GisUlD32eg
To be fair, Madison is on spring break this week, so most students aren't in town.
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This appears to be the thread where Greg Elliot gets mentions....just want to add, I'm really rooting for him. Pro Ball in any league probably not in his future. I hope he finds his place in life and is successful. I liked his enthusiasm at MU and I'll bet he's well liked by his people at Pitt.
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Well, according to Fran Fraschilla, Wisconsin was "one or two baskets away from making the NCAA tournament".
#Clownschool
And we were a few buckets from being 33-1, and being ranked #1 all season.
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This appears to be the thread where Greg Elliot gets mentions....just want to add, I'm really rooting for him. Pro Ball in any league probably not in his future. I hope he finds his place in life and is successful. I liked his enthusiasm at MU and I'll bet he's well liked by his people at Pitt.
People should root for him. He's gone elsewhere for grad school but he's got an MU degree. If we don't consider him an MU guy then half of us on this board who went elsewhere for MA/MS, MBA, or any Doctorate degree shouldn't be considered MU people either.
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People should root for him. He's gone elsewhere for grad school but he's got an MU degree. If we don't consider him an MU guy then half of us on this board who went elsewhere for MA/MS, MBA, or any Doctorate degree shouldn't be considered MU people either.
Yep.
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People should root for him. He's gone elsewhere for grad school but he's got an MU degree. If we don't consider him an MU guy then half of us on this board who went elsewhere for MA/MS, MBA, or any Doctorate degree shouldn't be considered MU people either.
He actually may have a graduate degree from MU too.
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Is Nevada going to be the first team in the NCAA tournament to give up 70 in a half? Why exactly did they get in?
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Is Nevada going to be the first team in the NCAA tournament to give up 70 in a half? Why exactly did they get in?
2 duds in a row from the Mountain West in the play-in games in back to back years as Wyoming was beaten last year. MW is 2-11 since 2016 (about to be 2-12), both wins by Nevada. If they have another bad year, the committee shouldn’t do them any favors next year regardless of resumes.
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This gonna be another expose the MW tourney??
Seriously let the top 2 in each year and move on.
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2 duds in a row from the Mountain West in the play-in games in back to back years as Wyoming was beaten last year. MW is 2-11 since 2016 (about to be 2-12), both wins by Nevada. If they have another bad year, the committee shouldn’t do them any favors next year regardless of resumes.
Are my eyes working? 51-22???
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This is why P6 teams with questionable resumes were still under consideration last week.
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Will this be the running tournament thread or should I start a new one now that the actual tournament is about to start?
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This one seems ready to go.
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Is Nevada going to be the first team in the NCAA tournament to give up 70 in a half? Why exactly did they get in?
Because the alternative would have been Bucky Badger and we all know how much this board loves the old Road Kill!
;D
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This gonna be another expose the MW tourney??
Seriously let the top 2 in each year and move on.
This is why P6 teams with questionable resumes were still under consideration last week.
Yep. People overestimate how good you have to be to make the last 4 in. If Nevada didn't get picked here were the first four out:
Oklahoma State, barely beat Youngstown State in the first round of the NIT
Rutgers, lost to Hofstra in the first round of the NIT
North Carolina, ducked the NIT
Clemson, lost to Morehead State in the first round of the NIT
These were the best of the rest
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Would have been cool if North Carolina was picked for a play in game. They would probably want to decline, but would have to play. Reminds me of a bad USC football squad that played in a third tier bowl game against Fresno State years ago and got their clock cleaned.
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North Carolina would have played a play-in game. No doubt.
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Of course, they would. NCAA would not let them decline. They would have to play in a game that they would feel is beneath them.
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First tip in 15 minutes. Let's get the party started!!!
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Yep. People overestimate how good you have to be to make the last 4 in. If Nevada didn't get picked here were the first four out:
Oklahoma State, barely beat Youngstown State in the first round of the NIT
Rutgers, lost to Hofstra in the first round of the NIT
North Carolina, ducked the NIT
Clemson, lost to Morehead State in the first round of the NIT
These were the best of the rest
I mean, I'm not sure teams are super motivated by playing an NIT game. I'm not sure that's a good way to evaluate how good a team is. There have been some bad teams to make the last 4 in, and then there have been some teams that have gone on very good runs (UCLA and VCU to Final Fours) from the last 4 in.
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Maryland rough start with only 4 points 9 minutes into the game. West Virginia up 13-4 but there hasn't been a basket scored by either team in over 6 minutes.
Yikes!
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Hope everyone faded the Big Ten in their bracket
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Maryland getting a 8 seed is a joke
Wins away from home
Neutral: St Louis and Miami(good win) in november
Neutral: MInnesota
Away: Louisville, Minnesota
So much for committee emphasisizing road wins.
Loads of time to comeback since WVU isnt very good either. But this is why most people picked WVU. Maryland was home or bust.
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R-E-L-A-X. We're 10 minutes into the first game of an 11:15 tip. Sticking a fork in Maryland right now is a bit premature. Maybe they'll get blown out. But maybe they'll settle in.
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I mean, I'm not sure teams are super motivated by playing an NIT game. I'm not sure that's a good way to evaluate how good a team is. There have been some bad teams to make the last 4 in, and then there have been some teams that have gone on very good runs (UCLA and VCU to Final Fours) from the last 4 in.
And I don't get the notion that a team isn't motivated by playing in an NIT game--if you have a chip on your shoulder because you think you belonged in the NCAA, you should be especially motivated to prove the committee wrong--that seemed to be the case for both Xavier and Texas A&M. And both teams build on the NIT to make the NCAA this year.
The fact that UNC doesn't want to play in the NIT seems to fit their culture of half-assing it all year.
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First poster of the Tournament.
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First poster of the Tournament.
That was nice
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And I don't get the notion that a team isn't motivated by playing in an NIT game--if you have a chip on your shoulder because you think you belonged in the NCAA, you should be especially motivated to prove the committee wrong--that seemed to be the case for both Xavier and Texas A&M. And both teams build on the NIT to make the NCAA this year.
The fact that UNC doesn't want to play in the NIT seems to fit their culture of half-assing it all year.
Just look at the number of players who aren't playing in the NIT (including the entire UNC roster). I mean, sure the NIT games were fun at the Al. But I don't ever look back at that season and think that was fun to watch MU in the NIT. Yes, when kids step on the court they aren't hoping to lose. But I think it's pretty natural to not be as locked in when the game means nothing at the end of the day.
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R-E-L-A-X. We're 10 minutes into the first game of an 11:15 tip. Sticking a fork in Maryland right now is a bit premature. Maybe they'll get blown out. But maybe they'll settle in.
Now tied at 28
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Tony Bennett not coaching today? Or UVA not listening?
They should be thrashing Furman. Cannot be stopped driving the hoop. But they keep settling for horrendous mid range jumpers.
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Tony Bennett not coaching today? Or UVA not listening?
They should be thrashing Furman. Cannot be stopped driving the hoop. But they keep settling for horrendous mid range jumpers.
Have we underestimated the Paladins??
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How's Huggy holding up?
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Have we underestimated the Paladins??
TBH I think they were overestimated.
If you watch that first half Viriginia is clearly the better team. Dominating them with size.
Just settling for dumb mid range 2s every time they get up 7-9 pts.
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Whistles really tight so far - not great for the beast
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Refs calling touch fouls on almost every possession in second half of Md-WV game. They also took 5 minutes to review a potential flagrant when there was almost no contact; thankfully didn’t call anything.
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Whistles really tight so far - not great for the beast
I said a month ago that the refs are the only way MU can lose early in the tournament.
Aggressive defense is penalized.
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Refs calling touch fouls on almost every possession in second half of Md-WV game. They also took 5 minutes to review a potential flagrant when there was almost no contact; thankfully didn’t call anything.
The reffing in this game is terrible
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Yeah, officiating is making WVU vs Maryland unwatchable
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Furman tied with UVA at 5:30 to go. Hoos are rattled.
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This is classic Virginia
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Clock management by WVU there at the end was embarrassing.
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March madness baaaaby
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Onions!
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OMG. Furman +1, 2.4 seconds
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Watching MD and WVU on offense was tough to watch after only paying attention to MU games all season.
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Clark for Virginia got about 7 years of eligibility.
And should be banned from every playing basketball again.
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Furman with the upset.
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What's a Paladin
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Damn...wish Furman would have sat on that for another couple seconds (or UVA would have hit their shot). I bet that there will be at least one buzzer beater -- with no time remaining -- in the first round.
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Early candidate for Goat of the Tournament. And I’m talking “goat,” not “GOAT.”
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Tony Bennett is the most overrated coach in America. There is a reason Virginia was the 1st team to lose to a #16 seed.
The only top 4 seed that I had losing in round 1.
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Early candidate for Goat of the Tournament. And I’m talking “goat,” not “GOAT.”
Wow. Terrible turnover. It will be overlooked based on that ending, but a 50% FT shooter knocked down 2 right before.
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My perfect bracket is still alive after 2. O-2 LOL
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TBH I think they were overestimated.
If you watch that first half Viriginia is clearly the better team. Dominating them with size.
Just settling for dumb mid range 2s every time they get up 7-9 pts.
I repeat: HAVE WE UNDERESTIMATED THE PALADINS????? :)
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My perfect bracket is still alive after 2. O-2 LOL
Me too.
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Furman makes its Mark.
Too soon?
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Tony Bennett is the most overrated coach in America. There is a reason Virginia was the 1st team to lose to a #16 seed.
The only top 4 seed that I had losing in round 1.
If Tony brought me a national championship like he did Virginia, I'd let it slide
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Fun fact:
Since Sam Hauser arrived on campus, Virginia hasn’t won a NCAA Tournament game.
It’s fair to ask, is he a program killer?
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I repeat: HAVE WE UNDERESTIMATED THE PALADINS????? :)
No, that was quite literally a collapse by Virginia.
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No, that was quite literally a collapse by Virginia.
Okay. I trust you are right.
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Unless I'm mistaken, Virginia had a timeout available there. Unbelievable.
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Okay. I trust you are right.
Are you not even watching the games?!?!?!
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I repeat: HAVE WE UNDERESTIMATED THE PALADINS????? :)
No.
People overrated UVA.
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Unless I'm mistaken, Virginia had a timeout available there. Unbelievable.
They did. Huge blunder.
Then Furman hit the shot from the Jordan Poole Memorial spot on the floor.
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Are you not even watching the games?!?!?!
I'm following while working.
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Unless I'm mistaken, Virginia had a timeout available there. Unbelievable.
It looks like Clark was just tossing it in blind desparation... not even directed toward the UV player on the other end. That makes having a timeout even more criminal. It was a total prayer.
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Horrible play by UVA guard …
He had a TIME OUT !? He also could have just held the ball, as there were less than 10 secs to play
I don’t mind seeing Bennett fall on his face again… lol
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If Tony brought me a national championship like he did Virginia, I'd let it slide
I’d say that the 5 guys on the team who made it to the NBA had more to do with it than Bennett.
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Tony Bennett is the most overrated coach in America. There is a reason Virginia was the 1st team to lose to a #16 seed.
The only top 4 seed that I had losing in round 1.
I'll add some nuance. I think Tony Bennett is a very good coach. I think the issue is he coaches and teaches a TERRIBLE, outdated style of basketball. Which is glaringly bad in one-and-done type scenarios.
Literally just texted my friend..
UVA is like "we have better players and a better team, lets just bludgeon inferior teams"..."nah, lets control the game as slow as possible and limit possessions so even bad teams can remain close if they score more than 50."
Bennett has been there 14 seasons. In the 12 seasons since they first made the tourney under him, besides the title season, they've made the NIT as many times as they've made the second weekend (twice). 7 tourney appearances, none lower than a 5 seed, and 2 second weekends, one of which was as a 1 who promptly lost in the S16 to MSU.
After all that, I guess I agree, cause he's overrated to the extent that he can't see that his system is awful in March. But he may be underrated cause I have NO clue how he gets top ranked kids to want to play that style of basketball.
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I'm following while working.
Are you sure working while following isn't more accurate? ;D
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2-0 so far. I didn't have faith in either West or East Virginia
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I'll add some nuance. I think Tony Bennett is a very good coach. I think the issue is he coaches and teaches a TERRIBLE, outdated style of basketball. Which is glaringly bad in one-and-done type scenarios.
Literally just texted my friend..
UVA is like "we have better players and a better team, lets just bludgeon inferior teams"..."nah, lets control the game as slow as possible and limit possessions so even bad teams can remain close if they score more than 50."
Bennett has been there 14 seasons. In the 12 seasons since they first made the tourney under him, besides the title season, they've made the NIT as many times as they've made the second weekend (twice). 7 tourney appearances, none lower than a 5 seed, and 2 second weekends, one of which was as a 1 who promptly lost in the S16 to MSU.
After all that, I guess I agree, cause he's overrated to the extent that he can't see that his system is awful in March. But he may be underrated cause I have NO clue how he gets top ranked kids to want to play that style of basketball.
Of course I used a bit of hyperbole in my remarks, but it’s funny cuz I texted a buddy with exactly the same sentiment as you did. I’ve never seen a team pass up so many open shots early in the clock to get a rushed mid-range late.
The ironic thing is that Al often did the same thing, but was more flexible.
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Furman makes its Mark.
Too soon?
I snickered.
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As great as the tournament is, a Thursday early window upset, with a late game winning 3, always makes the rest of this weekend that much sweeter.
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2-0 so far. I didn't have faith in either West or East Virginia
I screwed up on WVU. My next upset is Utah State.
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As great as the tournament is, a Thursday early window upset, with a late game winning 3, always makes the rest of this weekend that much sweeter.
Thats very true.
Its just good to get one early to get the madness feeling going.
especially with 2 1 seeds in the first 5 tip offs. If the other games were boring/predictable it drags momentum a bit.
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It's deja vu all over again, in the immortal words of Yogi Berra- in 2021, #4 UVA lost to #13 Ohio.
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This is a really cool view, and the eruption when the 3 goes in is awesome.
https://twitter.com/gottliebshow/status/1636446963829993473?s=46&t=u9_jVEW30gwQEIOoghnpJA
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I get it, each year is different and resumes/metrics are what they are
But at some point common sense has to prevail.
Playing 18 or 20(whatever it is) games against Mountain west teams does not make you good. This league is bad.
Continually prove they are not ready
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Of course I used a bit of hyperbole in my remarks, but it’s funny cuz I texted a buddy with exactly the same sentiment as you did. I’ve never seen a team pass up so many open shots early in the clock to get a rushed mid-range late.
The ironic thing is that Al often did the same thing, but was more flexible.
I don't enjoy watching it, but I get it to a certain extent late in games (eg: UCLA). But UVA does it all damn game long and its terrible. Just miserable basketball.
Watching Missouri, I remember MU missing out on Noah Carter and, beyond being totally happy with what we got instead, he's just not impressive at all at this level. I don't think he'd crack the rotation.
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I screwed up on WVU. My next upset is Utah State.
I bought into the Big12 hype as well. I do have college of charleston vs Furman in the next game 🤞
💩🔫
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Seeing all of these games back to back makes me realize how good Marquette actually is comparatively.
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Some NCAA Tournament humor from The Onion.
https://www.theonion.com/retired-coach-k-spends-afternoon-screaming-at-ducks-to-1850193580?utm_source=TheOnion_Daily_RSS&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=2023-03-16
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As expected, Bama is killing.
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I get it, each year is different and resumes/metrics are what they are
But at some point common sense has to prevail.
Playing 18 or 20(whatever it is) games against Mountain west teams does not make you good. This league is bad.
Continually prove they are not ready
0 for their last 10
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I screwed up on WVU. My next upset is Utah State.
Oops
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I bought into the Big12 hype as well. I do have college of charleston vs Furman in the next game 🤞
💩🔫
Happy for Furman, picked them too (though I never would have thought they'd do it with Bothwell on the bench late). However, even though I don't love SDSU's style, I'm not pulling for CoC cause Pat Kelsey is a clown
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Furman makes its Mark.
Too soon?
I laughed. Then again, I’m a horrible person.
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As expected, Bama is killing.
As I said, I’m a horrible person. ;D
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I don't enjoy watching it, but I get it to a certain extent late in games (eg: UCLA). But UVA does it all damn game long and its terrible. Just miserable basketball.
Watching Missouri, I remember MU missing out on Noah Carter and, beyond being totally happy with what we got instead, he's just not impressive at all at this level. I don't think he'd crack the rotation.
Carter had a good game. 10, 6, and 5. And, he was a plus 12 for the game.
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Tough crowd.
At UVA, Tony Bennett has made 9 of last 11 NCAA Tourneys, won a National Championship, added an Elite 8, a Sweet 16, 6 regular season ACC Titles, 2 ACC Tourney Titles.
That said, good for Furman.
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Tough crowd.
At UVA, Tony Bennett has made 9 of last 11 NCAA Tourneys, won a National Championship, added an Elite 8, a Sweet 16, 6 regular season ACC Titles, 2 ACC Tourney Titles.
A year from now, if UVA has another early exit from the tournament and Gard gets canned, I wonder if Bennett will make the jump back home. He’ll be five years removed from his championship season and he’s starting to get stale at Virginia.
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Carter had a good game. 10, 6, and 5. And, he was a plus 12 for the game.
Truly sorry for disparaging ANYTHING related to the state of Missouri. I stand by what I said about Carter and his 9/4/2 average not getting much run on a much better Marquette team.
Tough crowd.
At UVA, Tony Bennett has made 9 of last 11 NCAA Tourneys, won a National Championship, added an Elite 8, a Sweet 16, 6 regular season ACC Titles, 2 ACC Tourney Titles.
That said, good for Furman.
I know you love being a contrarian, but in the 7 years since Bennett made the E8, he's won a single tournament game outside of the 2019 run. And his 2020 team in the cancelled COVID tourney wasn't one of his better ones. Thats not a "tough" crowd to criticize that sort of tourney performance year in and year out from a perennial top 10/15 team.
He's a very good regular season coach, but I would be willing to wager the vast majority of UVA fans would trade some conference titles for more actual success in the tournament.
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Tough crowd.
At UVA, Tony Bennett has made 9 of last 11 NCAA Tourneys, won a National Championship, added an Elite 8, a Sweet 16, 6 regular season ACC Titles, 2 ACC Tourney Titles.
That said, good for Furman.
Yep. And if we had a recent natty, I would not get too upset about being upset. Bennett's overall record is great, even with embarrassing upsets in '18 and '21 and now '23 in the tourney.
I do not like his style of bball, but the guy is a class act and also displayed a great sense of humor after being blown out by UMBC. When a reporter congratulated him on being named COY, he replied "Oh, I thought that was for being best coach in the tourney. (Pause) You mean I didn't win?"
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Happy for Furman, picked them too (though I never would have thought they'd do it with Bothwell on the bench late). However, even though I don't love SDSU's style, I'm not pulling for CoC cause Pat Kelsey is a clown
Pat Kelsey is a great recruiter and a great coach with a big personality. Will dominate at his next program. I advocated for him over the Wojo hire.
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Yep. And if we had a recent natty, I would not get too upset about being upset. Bennett's overall record is great, even with embarrassing upsets in '18 and '21 and now '23 in the tourney.
I do not like his style of bball, but the guy is a class act and also displayed a great sense of humor after being blown out by UMBC. When a reporter congratulated him on being named COY, he replied "Oh, I thought that was for being best coach in the tourney. (Pause) You mean I didn't win?"
Yep. He was clearly happy for Richey and Furman after the game too. It isn’t my preferred style of ball either. But for anyone to say he isn’t a good coach or doesn’t win at a high level, that just isn’t true. Not a lot of dudes out there walking around with that kind of success.
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SDSU realizing how much bigger and stronger they are.
Either driving to the rim or throwing it up at the rim and going to get the rebound every possession now.
If they just keep doing that and dont try to get cute the MW will have a victor
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Princeton down 1 to Arizona almost half time. 15 vs 2
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Truly sorry for disparaging ANYTHING related to the state of Missouri. I stand by what I said about Carter and his 9/4/2 average not getting much run on a much better Marquette team.
I know you love being a contrarian, but in the 7 years since Bennett made the E8, he's won a single tournament game outside of the 2019 run. And his 2020 team in the cancelled COVID tourney wasn't one of his better ones. Thats not a "tough" crowd to criticize that sort of tourney performance year in and year out from a perennial top 10/15 team.
He's a very good regular season coach, but I would be willing to wager the vast majority of UVA fans would trade some conference titles for more actual success in the tournament.
Lol. Funny how when I made UVA comments, defending the state of Virginia doesn’t come up.
It certainly stood out as an interesting game choice to say Carter can’t play at this level at all. He is what he is, a 7th/8th scoring option, role playing, rotational player, on a top 25, top 4 SEC team. 10, 6, 5, and +12 in an NCAA Tourney win over Utah State is a pretty good game.
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Princeton down 1 to Arizona almost half time. 15 vs 2
Saw this one coming, Princeton scheming the hell out of the Cats. I noted a Princeton first half play in the wagering thread, Tigers don’t have the studs U of A has, but this was destined to be a tough game for the Cats.
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Would love to be wrong.
But still feel like Zona pulls away by mid 2nd half at latest.
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Of course, they would. NCAA would not let them decline. They would have to play in a game that they would feel is beneath them.
Yeah just like the NCAA got tough with UNC for making up classes. Oh wait...
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Every game I’ve seen today has been a freaking ref show. Calling every little thing. Takes the fun out of it.
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SDSU realizing how much bigger and stronger they are.
Either driving to the rim or throwing it up at the rim and going to get the rebound every possession now.
If they just keep doing that and dont try to get cute the MW will have a victor
I dont think they have attacked since I said this.
So much brutal coaching. Stop over thinking things and just play to your strengths.
Pound the paint and Charleston cannot stop you. Then make your damn free throws.
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Every game I’ve seen today has been a freaking ref show. Calling every little thing. Takes the fun out of it.
Yeah, killing the end of rhis CoC SDSU game
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Went to a few Mizzou games this year. Also don’t think Carter would provide much. Would probably take Gold’s roll with his experience, but would rather have Gold get those minutes for the future.
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Love being a part of these graphics again!
https://twitter.com/CBBonFOX/status/1636219488524808193?t=xpqg1ywrTWQoydb4XTW2VQ&s=19
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Yeah just like the NCAA got tough with UNC for making up classes. Oh wait...
It's my understanding that NCAA members cannot decline an NCAA Tournament bid if received. Maybe known as the Marquette rule for all I know. That's all I'm saying.
On another note, I was over the moon when Villanova beat them in that final (2016?). I kept thinking these fu$@#ers are gonna blatantly cheat and win a natty. Nope .....
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Let's go Princeton!
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Wiw one pint gane Princeton and AZ. 2 min left
Do we want a 15 knocking off a 2 to get it out of the way
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Wiw one pint gane Princeton and AZ. 2 min left
Do we want a 15 knock8ng off a 2 to get it out of the way
No matta (But yes)
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Wiw one pint gane Princeton and AZ. 2 min left
Do we want a 15 knock8ng off a 2 to get it out of the way
Yeah this is a little scary
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Go Tigers!!!
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Wiw one pint gane Princeton and AZ. 2 min left
Do we want a 15 knocking off a 2 to get it out of the way
That’s totally logical to me. Go tigers!
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Not only would it be shocking regardless, even moreso given how AWFUL Princeton was for a solid 8-10 min to start the first half.
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Wow!!!
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I mean, two #2 seeds can't lose in the first round, right?
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How could this team have the #4 offense in efficiency? How?
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Great win for the Tigers.
Now is it asking too much from the basketball gods for UCLA to lose tonight, too???
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It is March. Nobody is safe.
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Wow, just wow!!
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Would love to be wrong.
But still feel like Zona pulls away by mid 2nd half at latest.
I was wrong.
Lets go!
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I mean, two #2 seeds can't lose in the first round, right?
Was just going to ask what the percentages changes if that happening
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There is no way there is an intact bracket anywhere.
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Was just going to ask what the percentages changes if that happening
It’s only happened once, 2012
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It’s only happened once, 2012
Yup
Only 10 No. 15 seeds have ever won a first-round game in the NCAA Tournament, but six of those games — two in the same year! — have happened in the past decade
So statistics are on our side! Yikes!
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Looking at the stats Princeton won the game going 4-25 from distance. Amazing.
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Looking at the stats Princeton won the game going 4-25 from distance. Amazing.
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They couldn’t hit a 3 for anything. Man. What a game
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This is gonna screw up my bracket a bit, but I’m not gonna feel too sorry for Arizona. I’ll never forget Hassan Adams screaming like he just won a natty after making a play against us in that home and home we had with them during the Crean era.
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Jay Bilas bracket check. His national champion is out.
Good for Princeton. Tough end to a strong season for Arizona.
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Looking at the stats Princeton won the game going 4-25 from distance. Amazing.
Yup, but Arizona went 3 for 16. Arizona lost because they needed to cut down on the threes and go into Tubelis and Ballo on every possession. Smart playing by Princeton, outplaying Arizona guards.
Hope MU learned a lesson. No barrage of threes and everyone on the team, with exception of Sean Jones, drives to the hoop. Get fouls or get a basket. Vermont does not have the players Princeton has and played a much harder schedule.
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Couple of Illinois kids in the Princeton team as well. Always amazes me that DePaul can’t get even 1 or 2 of these players to stay home.
Arizona played to their pace, I think that’s the biggest factor. Speed Vermont up and Marquette will be a okay.
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Couple of Illinois kids in the Princeton team as well. Always amazes me that DePaul can’t get even 1 or 2 of these players to stay home.
The kinds of kids who go play at Princeton generally don't see themselves as future professional basketball players. That being the case, would you go get a Princeton education or a DePaul education?
(Not trying to besmirch DePaul here, but it's not the Princeton of Lincoln Park).
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Couple of Illinois kids in the Princeton team as well. Always amazes me that DePaul can’t get even 1 or 2 of these players to stay home.
yes, one of them from my hometown - Pierce - Ivy freshman of the year. 65% free throw shooter drained 2 clutch FTs at the end. Our town is super proud!!!!!
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yes, one of them from my hometown - Pierce - Ivy freshman of the year. 65% free throw shooter drained 2 clutch FTs at the end. Our town is super proud!!!!!
That Glenbard West team was so unfair. Never seen such a dominant boys high school team in my lifetime.
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Arizona's guards shot 5 for 21 from field, including 1 for 12 from three. Great defense on them by Princeton, but poor offensive plan by Arizona.
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That Glenbard West team was so unfair. Never seen such a dominant boys high school team in my lifetime.
Was that Grunwald’s team?
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Yes, one of the best Illinois high school basketball teams ever
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More upsets (in our region specifically)?
Oral Roberts over Duke?
Louisiana over Tennessee?
We will know pretty soon.
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It is March. Nobody is safe.
(https://c.tenor.com/lWweyQKIjIkAAAAC/this.gif)
The overconfidence of many Scoopers prior to the St. Johns BET game is burned in my mind. I also am glad some other 15 seed lost.
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That Glenbard West team was so unfair. Never seen such a dominant boys high school team in my lifetime.
Not even Sierra Canyon? ;)
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Caden Pierce’s uncle is former DePaul walk on Ronnie Kammes (who I went to high school with and remain friends with). That’s a hell of an athletic family, Alec Pierce plays for the Colts.
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Yes, another Pierce plays pro ball in Europe
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That Glenbard West team was so unfair. Never seen such a dominant boys high school team in my lifetime.
Apparently you weren't born or are unaware of Muggsy's Dunbar Baltimore squad. :)
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I didn’t watch much college basketball this year outside of our games, but if this first afternoon is any indication, there are a lot of bad basketball teams out there.
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Oral Robert's getting bullied.
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I didn’t watch much college basketball this year outside of our games, but if this first afternoon is any indication, there are a lot of bad basketball teams out there.
It’s still fun cause it’s March Madness but there has been almost exclusively trash basketball so far today. This Iowa-Auburn game is right in line. That Arkansas-Illinois game was ugly and lame. This Duke game is looking like another dud
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Oral Robert's getting bullied.
I checked their schedule and they seem like a massive fraud. Zero games against the P6 and were beaten by 38 by Houston and lost to St Mary’s, Utah State and New Mexico. They beat absolutely nobody this year.
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I no longer have any perfect brackets (I only have a couple brackets total).
I have one where my only incorrect was Virginia.
I have another where my only incorrect was Arizona.
Liked both of those as upsets, but didn't have the courage to put them both in the same bracket.
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I no longer have any perfect brackets (I only have a couple brackets total).
I have one where my only incorrect was Virginia.
I have another where my only incorrect was Arizona.
Liked both of those as upsets, but didn't have the courage to put them both in the same bracket.
That’s solid. I’ve clawed back to .500
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I checked their schedule and they seem like a massive fraud. Zero games against the P6 and were beaten by 38 by Houston and lost to St Mary’s, Utah State and New Mexico. They beat absolutely nobody this year.
Oral Roberts looks terrible.
And how did Thuggish get in at 19-14
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Iowa is getting raced right now.
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Duke is a problem.
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Princeton outrebounded Zona and if the Gamecast is correct kept them scoreless the last 4:45. Incredible stuff.
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Duke is a problem.
They are stacked.
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Duke is a problem.
Their record healthy speaks for themselves
This ORU team very overhyped though. They were better two years ago because they had Obanor which gave them 2 legit high major dogs.
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Their record healthy speaks for themselves
This ORU team very overhyped though. They were better two years ago because they had Obanor which gave them 2 legit high major dogs.
Yes. The ORU hype was egregious.
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Whichever team you face in the Elite Eight is gonna be a problem.
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Wow, just wow!!
At least one of my alma maters made the tournament ( and won a game to boot.)
Pete Carril , who passed away last year, would be proud.
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Iowa won't die.
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Another year, another tourney full of TERRIBLE Invesco QQQ commercials
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Iowa won't die.
Auburn does not play smart basketball
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Colgate cut the deficit in half. In striking distance.
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Colgate cut the deficit in half. In striking distance.
Good one....
Duke is just playing unreal since last month. Since moving the young player from Australia, Proctor to point guard, they are rolling and dangerous. The two bigs, Lively and Filowposki are NBA lottery picks. Potential matchup with Tennessee will be great game to watch.
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19-1 when healthy
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They're dead.
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Iowa dug too their hole too deep.
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19-1 when healthy
Against ACC teams. ::)
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There is no way there is an intact bracket anywhere.
Mine is
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Mine is
High again?
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High again?
I know ball
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Marcus Carr is a walking coronary for a fan.
I just envision PSH’s basketball scene commentary from Along Came Polly playing in his head the minute he has an inch of space. “RAIN DANCE”…as he goes 2-9 from 3
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MU needs to do what Alabama did to their opponent today. Blow them out.
No Alabama starters played more than 20 minutes and their best player, Miller did not even score. So, basically the starters played a half game.
That leaves the team having the players very well rested for the next game against Maryland.
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What do we know about the NKU Norse?
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What do we know about the NKU Norse?
They won the Horizon League Tournament
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They haven’t been D1 for very long
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Tennessee is pathetic. March Rick Barnes in full force
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Tennessee is pathetic. March Rick Barnes in full force
It’s not easy losing your starting pg
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It’s not easy losing your starting pg
More so thinking the vescovi auto bench. Self inflicted damage per usual.
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UCLA up two touchdowns early
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Tennessee is pathetic. March Rick Barnes in full force
Houston is pathetic. March Kelvin Sampson in full force
(Leading the Mighty Norse by 3 at half.)
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Texas A&M stinks!
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Buzz is fat
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Pickett is really fu cking good.
But he’s also not a PG. If we are talking the Cousy.
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Waiting for the next manifesto when he says that they were criminally underseeded and they shouldn’t have even been playing in that matchup
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Penn State is messing with happy!!
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This talented Buzz team that comes out flat and just grinds into nothing… Looks familiar and don’t miss it at all
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Buzz might want to keep this half off his UT resume.
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This talented Buzz team that comes out flat and just grinds into nothing… Looks familiar and don’t miss it at all
They’ll make a second half run. They’ve had some of that in them this year.
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Buzz tank might be empty
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Buzz to St Louis.
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Watching Houston. Not impressive for a 1 seed. This tourney is truly for the taking
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Watching Houston. Not impressive for a 1 seed. This tourney is truly for the taking
They’re quite good but susceptible to nights like this. Low possession basketball and a bad offensive night will end their season at some points.
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This Tennessee defense is great, but the offense makes them susceptible every time out.
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This Tennessee defense is great, but the offense makes them susceptible every time out.
Yup
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They’ll make a second half run. They’ve had some of that in them this year.
This post aged poorly.
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This post aged poorly.
Announcer jinx
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Buzz tank might be empty
I said a week or two ago that Buzz has fizzled out. He’s making nice coin where he’s at and his team comfortably made the tournament, but he won’t be getting better job offers anytime soon.
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Have to wonder if Buzz mailed it in to stick it to the A&M administration
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I said a week or two ago that Buzz has fizzled out. He’s making nice coin where he’s at and his team comfortably made the tournament, but he won’t be getting better job offers anytime soon.
I could see Bazz retiring super young just because he’s bored of the game.
I mean, how many more stops does he have left? He’s getting close to his 5-6 year window at TAMU.
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Finished 13/16 on the day. Missed on Utah State, Illinois, and Arizona. Should have known better to pick upsets from the MWC and B1G.
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Buzz is fat
His head is really fat
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Went to a few Mizzou games this year. Also don’t think Carter would provide much. Would probably take Gold’s roll with his experience, but would rather have Gold get those minutes for the future.
Just because MUBB is set with what they have, which is great, doesn’t mean he can’t play at this level, which was the point.
His rough comp is Prosper, being a versatile player that does a little bit of everything at both ends. In Prosper’s first year in the system he was a 20 minute 7 & 3 player. Now he’s 12 & 5, 29 minutes, 33% from 3.
Carter has been a 10 & 4, 32% from 3, 21 minute player in his first year in their system.
Things worked out at both places.
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I've watched three Mizzou games all year. Not much, but enough to tell me that Carter's game isn't much like Prosper's. It's not a good comp at all.
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I've watched three Mizzou games all year. Not much, but enough to tell me that Carter's game isn't much like Prosper's. It's not a good comp at all.
Nah, it’s a good rough comp as I said. It’s also the only one in this limited situation. They are both versatile, high energy forwards, that defend multiple positions and do a little bit of everything for their team.
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Houston is pathetic. March Kelvin Sampson in full force
(Leading the Mighty Norse by 3 at half.)
shouldn’t you be posting in the hauser thread ?
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thar is gold in them thar hills after all...
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/college-basketball/article-11872419/March-Madness-numbers-Saint-Peters-Loyola-Chicago-George-Mason-enjoyed-success.html
george mason' run to final four=350% increase in enrollment including 40% increase in out of state apps
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I heard the George Mason figures in an informal discussion with a member of the BOT a couple weeks ago, I had brought up how the team winning the BE would help the school. He said there are studies showing how much $$ each ESPN mention brings as well, I just don’t remember the figure he threw out.
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Do we want USC or Mich St?
I think one of the 3 seeds are going down today. I picked USCB on a gut call.
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Just because MUBB is set with what they have, which is great, doesn’t mean he can’t play at this level, which was the point.
His rough comp is Prosper, being a versatile player that does a little bit of everything at both ends. In Prosper’s first year in the system he was a 20 minute 7 & 3 player. Now he’s 12 & 5, 29 minutes, 33% from 3.
Carter has been a 10 & 4, 32% from 3, 21 minute player in his first year in their system.
Things worked out at both places.
Hate to be the guy to ruin the unknown for you
But there is a hell of a lot more to a basketball player than pts/rebounds and 3 pt %.
Hell Stevie Mitchell would be lucky to play at wofford if thats all that mattered.
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Do we want USC or Mich St?
I think one of the 3 seeds are going down today. I picked USCB on a gut call.
USC of course. Izzo has been to 25 tourneys. They may have had an off year but I think are more dangerous.
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Do we want USC or Mich St?
I think one of the 3 seeds are going down today. I picked USCB on a gut call.
As someone who is hoping to get tickets for Sunday, I want USC. Then the MSU fans will sell their tickets and I can grab them cheaply.
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Hate to be the guy to ruin the unknown for you
But there is a hell of a lot more to a basketball player than pts/rebounds and 3 pt %.
Hell Stevie Mitchell would be lucky to play at wofford if thats all that mattered.
I hate to point out reading comprehension, but point to where in my posts that I said that's all there is to basketball.
Do you have anything more specific to add to this particular discussion regarding a much different role and position than Stevie Mitchell's 3%?
Carter’s build is closer to Justin Lewis than Prosper. Carter defends the 4 and 5, forces turnovers on ball screens, scores at the rim. runners, floaters, hooks, etc…his usage rate isn’t as high as it was, as he is on a deeper, better team. He was good enough for Marquette, Arkansas, etc to recruit and target.
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USC of course. Izzo has been to 25 tourneys. They may have had an off year but I think are more dangerous.
That's fair. But they have not impressed me Scoop Snoop.
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Do we want USC or Mich St?
I think one of the 3 seeds are going down today. I picked USCB on a gut call.
it doesn't f*cking matter!
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it doesn't f*cking matter!
Okay.
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I know this is old and I'm probably the only person who didn't see it at the time, but this NCAA post-game interview (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pO2JEtxYZU0) is fantastic.
"So they got more of those than we did."
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I hate to point out reading comprehension, but point to where in my posts that I said that's all there is to basketball.
Do you have anything more specific to add to this particular discussion regarding a much different role and position than Stevie Mitchell's 3%?
Carter’s build is closer to Justin Lewis than Prosper. Carter defends the 4 and 5, forces turnovers on ball screens, scores at the rim. runners, floaters, hooks, etc…his usage rate isn’t as high as it was, as he is on a deeper, better team. He was good enough for Marquette, Arkansas, etc to recruit and target.
Again,
if you knew basketball or really just watched Carter and Prosper play. Youd see they are two entirely different players. Is Carter the guy Mizzou uses to lockdown players like Jordan Hawkins??
Also ironic you said "I hate to point out reading comprehension" when I literally read(and quoted your post) where the only comps you made were pts/rebounds and 3pt%
You only just now tossed in the incoherent nonsense "Carter’s build is closer to Justin Lewis than Prosper. Carter defends the 4 and 5, forces turnovers on ball screens, scores at the rim. runners, floaters, hooks, etc…his usage rate isn’t as high as it was, as he is on a deeper, better team. He was good enough for Marquette, Arkansas, etc to recruit and target."
I cant read and comprehend what you dont write. Which btw is still a bad comp. Omax doesnt just guard 4s and 5s. Again, see Hawkins, Jordan.
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USC doesn’t seem interested in guarding. They only play one on one ball on offense. Pretty garbage team.
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USC doesn’t seem interested in guarding. They only play one on one ball on offense. Pretty garbage team.
Agreed!!
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Spartan fans sound pretty loud thus far. If they win today there will be even more of them on Sunday.
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Gonna be a road game Sunday. Gotta love it.
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USC has some serious length and athletes.
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Gonna be a road game Sunday. Gotta love it.
It’ll make the victory that much sweeter. Izzo pressers after losing are great theater. Will he blame cell phones? Social media? Who knows!
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Good sign that the floor is Marquette’s colors.
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USC just refusing to play defense
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USC has some serious length and athletes.
Not many basketball players from what I can tell.
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Not many basketball players from what I can tell.
Not a good 4 min stretch there.
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Again,
if you knew basketball or really just watched Carter and Prosper play. Youd see they are two entirely different players. Is Carter the guy Mizzou uses to lockdown players like Jordan Hawkins??
Also ironic you said "I hate to point out reading comprehension" when I literally read(and quoted your post) where the only comps you made were pts/rebounds and 3pt%
You only just now tossed in the incoherent nonsense "Carter’s build is closer to Justin Lewis than Prosper. Carter defends the 4 and 5, forces turnovers on ball screens, scores at the rim. runners, floaters, hooks, etc…his usage rate isn’t as high as it was, as he is on a deeper, better team. He was good enough for Marquette, Arkansas, etc to recruit and target."
I cant read and comprehend what you dont write. Which btw is still a bad comp. Omax doesnt just guard 4s and 5s. Again, see Hawkins, Jordan.
Lol. That’s a lot of word salad to say Prosper guarded a player for UConn in part of a game. No one said O Max just defends 4’s and 5’s. No one said Carter and Prosper are the same player.
Why so angry? You’ve made 2 trolling posts now without much substance to them.
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Lol. That’s a lot of word salad to say Prosper guarded a player for UConn in part of a game. No one said O Max just defends 4’s and 5’s. No one said Carter and Prosper are the same player.
Why so angry? You’ve made 2 trolling posts now without much substance to them.
I'm not angry? Or trolling?
I am quoting what you say word for word. This isnt a my opinion vs yours situation.
You are flat out wrong.
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Think I’m spoiled by Marquette’s offense. I’m cringing watching USC repeatedly taking fade away, off balance, and contested mid range shots and long 2s.
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Things that concern me:
* MSU looks decent...but some of that is USC not so much.
* MSU pushing the pace. We'll win that game but still that shows confidence and they are doing it well.
* Will MSU show this chocolatey goodness for 40 minutes?
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USC of course. Izzo has been to 25 tourneys. They may have had an off year but I think are more dangerous.
Yep. That's a loud Michigan St crowd.
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Things that concern me:
* MSU looks decent...but some of that is USC not so much.
* MSU pushing the pace. We'll win that game but still that shows confidence and they are doing it well.
* Will MSU show this chocolatey goodness for 40 minutes?
Honestly watching this game
SHould we take care of business against Vermont
I think while MSU is probably more talented, USC is the "worse" match up for us.
Play our game and should handle both, plus vermont.
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Lol. That’s a lot of word salad to say Prosper guarded a player for UConn in part of a game. No one said O Max just defends 4’s and 5’s. No one said Carter and Prosper are the same player.
Why so angry? You’ve made 2 trolling posts now without much substance to them.
This nonsense is par for the course when you say something inaccurate.
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Honestly watching this game
SHould we take care of business against Vermont
I think while MSU is probably more talented, USC is the "worse" match up for us.
Play our game and should handle both, plus vermont.
My early impressions are USC is more talented than Mich St.
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I'm not angry? Or trolling?
I am quoting what you say word for word. This isnt a my opinion vs yours situation.
You are flat out wrong.
This is 3 posts now of yours will little substance to any of them.
“if you knew basketball” implying I don’t, as well as, “Hate to be the guy to ruin the unknown for you…” “you are flat wrong” …..yes that seems angry and trying way too hard about a benign topic.
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Both games on right now are tied.
March rules.
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Xavier is way over seeded.
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X tied with Kennesaw St. Uh-Oh?
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no freemantle hurts
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no freemantle hurts
Beat Creighton by 25 to go to the Big East title.
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no freemantle hurts
Kennesaw St. struggled against quality opponents.
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X tied with Kennesaw St. Uh-Oh?
Besides MU winning it all, a side thing is Big East d0ing well and getting respect.
Wish I'd thought of a Poll: how many wins BE will have in tourney.
We know how many losses they'll have: 4 right?! ;)
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I smashed X at -7.5 when it dropped.
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The Kennesaw St. coach has a sweet quarter-zip. That owl logo is rather badass! 🦉
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Wow. Give the freaking ball up in a 2 on 1. Terrible play by Colby Jones.
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X looks totally out of sorts and rudderless. They better wake up quickly.
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X looks totally out of sorts and rudderless. They better wake up quickly.
Totally agree
Sometimes teams are better because they remain consistent and keep composure and are better coached under pressure. Let the lesser team start beating itself.
Rolls reversed here. X needs halftime, take a breath and be Xavier for the next 20 minutes.
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Xavier with 3 points in the final 6 minutes. They scored 20 points by the first media TO and then hit 5 shots the rest of the way. And not just that, they were making stupid passes and looking sluggish. Hell, Boum's final shot of the half was an airball 3 from 30 feet away he took with 5 seconds left on the shot clock.
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Boogie Ellis is getting fouled a lot off the dribble.
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Xavier with 3 points in the final 6 minutes. They scored 20 points by the first media TO and then hit 5 shots the rest of the way. And not just that, they were making stupid passes and looking sluggish. Hell, Boum's final shot of the half was an airball 3 from 30 feet away he took with 5 seconds left on the shot clock.
Great points JWags. They were an absolute abomination and you could see it snowball. Miller did didly squat about it. Hopefully they wake up.
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X trailing by 7. The BE has not distinguished itself in tournament action thus far. We need to change that!
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MSU D has actually looked pretty good down the stretch
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MSU D has actually looked pretty good down the stretch
They were physical on the perimeter and USC didn't have an answer.
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So, winner plays MSU
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Looks like we’ll see soft serve Sunday.
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feeling embarrased for X
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X trailing by 7. The BE has not distinguished itself in tournament action thus far. We need to change that!
X has been a complete disaster today after about 12 mins of the 1st half. Atrocious basketball and coaching.
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X trailing by 7. The BE has not distinguished itself in tournament action thus far. We need to change that!
X needs to pull their collective heads out of their asses, and quick.
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Xavier is barely able to get a shot up. Atrocious showing
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Shocked that a Sean Miller team is underperforming.
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X blowing it out of their kielbasa to a 14 seed. Perhaps the BEast is overrated this year. However I do have MU vs. UConn in championship game which will redeem any fall offs of other conference teams in tourney.
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Gauchos look pretty good early.
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Refs in SMC/VCU are something
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Xavier really looks like they don't even care.
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Xavier really looks like they don't even care.
Great point. They're basically going through the motions. Awful performance.
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X blowing it out of their kielbasa to a 14 seed. Perhaps the BEast is overrated this year. However I do have MU vs. UConn in championship game which will redeem any fall offs of other conference teams in tourney.
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X blowing it out of their kielbasa to a 14 seed. Perhaps the BEast is overrated this year. However I do have MU vs. UConn in championship game which will redeem any fall offs of other conference teams in tourney.
Please post this a 3rd time!
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Also, kind of looks like Kennesaw State got the MU memo on how to shut down Boum.
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MSU has a huge crowd. Loud as hell.
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Hunter’s doing everything he can. C’mon, Xavier!
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Please post this a 3rd time!
How about this. Doogie Houser, everybody's favorite butt boy, leads MSU with 17. Hope we meet them so we can avenge his crass insubordination
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Hunter’s doing everything he can. C’mon, Xavier!
Would love to see Xavier gut out a gritty win
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How about this. Doogie Houser, everybody's favorite butt boy, leads MSU with 17. Hope we meet them so we can avenge his crass insubordination
LOL
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We broke Xavier's will to play. MU will do that to teams
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Maybe Sean Miller already took the Georgetown job.....
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We broke Xavier's will to play. MU will do that to teams
(https://media.tenor.com/HXe0MOjcSRsAAAAM/undertaker-coffin.gif)
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Wow....Kennesaw hasn't scored for 6 mins of game time. Can X steal one?
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Great run by X!
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(https://media.tenor.com/HXe0MOjcSRsAAAAM/undertaker-coffin.gif)
Phenom-enal
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Wow....Kennesaw hasn't scored for 6 mins of game time. Can X steal one?
Yes. Kennesaw can't make a shot.
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Yes. Kennesaw can't make a shot.
Dumb play by Colby Jones there.
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Smart play. But he has to make the lay up.
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Maybe Sean Miller already took the Georgetown job.....
I heard he took the Illinois Job. With Underwood to Texas.
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I heard he took the Illinois Job. With Underwood to Texas.
I can't tell if you are joking or not.
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I can't tell if you are joking or not.
It actually is something I've heard, but not sure I believe it.
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Wow....crazy miss by Boum there.
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How did Boum miss that layup? Hopefully X scores out of the TO.
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It actually is something I've heard, but not sure I believe it.
Wow, it does kind of make sense. If true, I'm back to hating Sean Miller. What a tool. I kinda liked him back at X, keeping them a top team. Not bolting on them a second time.
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Burden single-handedly let Xavier win.
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Iowa St. doesn't have a FG through 8 minutes.
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C'mon Creighton.
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Iowa St. doesn't have a FG through 8 minutes.
If their goal was to score a point a minute they’ve fallen short so far. 30 points in 33 minutes. Still only down 12.
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Hard to believe Iona is up 2 on UCONN. Creighton may have fked up the game not securing that reb.
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Iona was one of my big upset picks. Given my record on my others -- sh!tty -- UConn will probably end up winning by 20.
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Kalky with a very solid game today. Hopefully they hold on.
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Kalky with a very solid game today. Hopefully they hold on.
Come on Blue Jays.
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Go Creighton. Big East needs the credits.
And the respect.
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Iona was one of my big upset picks. Given my record on my others -- sh!tty -- UConn will probably end up winning by 20.
I'd be stunned if UCONN loses this game. Although Princeton did beat Zona.
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Go Creighton. Big East needs the credits.
And the respect.
Creighton with the win.
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I'd be stunned if UCONN loses this game. Although Princeton did beat Zona.
That's why they're big upsets, Muggs!
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Pitt beat ISU by 18 in a game where they had more turnovers than field goals.
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Pitt beat ISU by 18 in a game where they had more turnovers than field goals.
Just some incredible stats from that game.
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Just some incredible stats from that game.
Iowa State shot 23% and 5% from three (2 for 21)
They were down 22 to 2 with I believe 10 to go in first half. Scary bad.
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Iowa State shot 23% and 5% from three (2 for 21)
They were down 22 to 2 with I believe 10 to go in first half. Scary bad.
Wow.
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Iowa State shot 23% and 5% from three (2 for 21)
They were down 22 to 2 with I believe 10 to go in first half. Scary bad.
Yeah, but they are from the Big XII. That's not supposed to happen.
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UConn can have both Sanogo and Klingan back next year. They'll be a handful down low.
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They were and are a handful down low this year.
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Not ideal in Greensboro…
https://twitter.com/kyletucker_ath/status/1636860774520848385?s=46&t=PiDY_2167qOEprgjdQnNpA
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FDU??? :)
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Tshiebwe would be a massive problem for Marquette.
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FDU??? :)
Gotta send Shaka and Nevada Smith some royalties for that offense. Eerily similar to what Oso was so successful in enabling in the first half against them
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Purdue looks like a team from about 1992 when I watch them play. I can’t imagine they’re going to make it to the Final Four.
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UConn can have both Sanogo and Klingan back next year. They'll be a handful down low.
Right, tough for Marquette.
But I'm calling it right now. Marquette preseason #1...and I don't mean just the Big East.
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Is Grand Canyon near the Grand Canyon? Excuse my ignorance.
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Is Grand Canyon near the Grand Canyon? Excuse my ignorance.
I didnt know they had a physical presence! I thought they were an online degree mill
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I assume we're all rooting for Drake over Miami? :)
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I didnt know they had a physical presence! I thought they were an online degree mill
They’ve been in the tournament before.
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FDU looks like they're going to take this to the wire (at least). Playing harder, more connected basketball.
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Quite a conference you’re running over there, Big Ten.
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Quite a conference you’re running over there, Big Ten.
Will any of them make it out of the first weekend?
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Is Grand Canyon near the Grand Canyon? Excuse my ignorance.
It is a private Christian University in Phoenix AZ.
https://explore.gcu.edu/general/?gcu=GS-BRAND|Google|CPC|School%20-%20Tier%20Two|grand%20canyon%20university&matchtype=p&device=c&adposition=&network=g&loc_interest=&loc_physical=9003930&extensionid=&adID=382505099686&adgroupid=77775299506&tgid=kwd-55370501&model=&sitetarg=&url=https://explore.gcu.edu/general/&cq_cmp=353844560&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIy8Sujp7k_QIVXf_jBx3mgwqhEAAYASAAEgKsv_D_BwE
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How did we lose to this Purdue team?
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:o
FDU looks like they're going to take this to the wire (at least). Playing harder, more connected basketball.
This is a fun game.
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This is the 4th possession FDU has the ball up 1. Focus and execute. :)
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How did we lose to this Purdue team?
It was November at Mackey
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Is Grand Canyon near the Grand Canyon? Excuse my ignorance.
Glendale side of Phoenix, a little less than 10 miles East of the AZ Cardinals football stadium. Good landing spot for Bryce Drew.
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Zach Edey is a bad basketball player.
I get that he has all kinds of accolades but he’s just a Goliath figure that makes his hay strictly on size mismatches and little to no skill, finesse, or touch.
FDU and Purdue both deserve what’s happening here.
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Purdue is terrified to shoot the basketball. Absolute deer in the headlights moment.
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Purdue, keep jacking those threes, 4 for 24. Point guard has 7 turnovers.
Don’t pound it into Edey, what are they doing?
Purdue loss would pave way for Duke and Memphis. Hope not Duke, they are hottest team. MU can beat Purdue, be big battle with Duke.
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Another 16-1 upset. Wow.
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C'mon FDU!!!!
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C'mon FDU!!!!
Why do you want Purdue to lose?
MU has a much better chance vs them than Duke, who would boatrace MU out of the arena.
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Zach Edey is a bad basketball player.
I get that he has all kinds of accolades but he’s just a Goliath figure that makes his hay strictly on size mismatches and little to no skill, finesse, or touch.
FDU and Purdue both deserve what’s happening here.
Lol. You’re…not very smart.
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Yessssssssss!!!!
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Why do you want Purdue to lose?
MU has a much better chance vs them than Duke, who would boatrace MU out of the arena.
Do you ever stop? Sad life you must live.
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Holy smokes! Farleigh Ridiculous!!!
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Honest question, when does Painter’s seat start to get warm?
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29-6. Still looking for reasons to hate. MU may not win it all. But they might. A great season regardless. Thanks for the comedy.
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Lol. You’re…not very smart.
what game did you watch lol
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Do you ever stop? Sad life you must live.
Purdue was a far better matchup for MU than Duke, who might be playing the best basketball in the country.
It's just a fact.
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Anyone visit Purduescoop? The meltdown must be absolutely stunning.
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Well now my bracket has 2 incorrect.
So exciting to see 16 seeds win though.
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A B1G disappointment.
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Anyone visit Purduescoop? The meltdown must be absolutely stunning.
15 and 16 losses in consecutive years. Unprecedented.
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Well now my bracket has 2 incorrect.
So exciting to see 16 seeds win though.
I’m gonna call bs on this one. Let see it.
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Gut feeling the first OT game will be Drake/The U.
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Why do you want Purdue to lose?
MU has a much better chance vs them than Duke, who would boatrace MU out of the arena.
The antagonist strikes again.
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4/5 for the Big East today. Acceptable.
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29-6. Still looking for reasons to hate. MU may not win it all. But they might. A great season regardless. Thanks for the comedy.
In the Big Ten, Painter has had 14 out of 18 NCAA Tourney years. And in the Big 10 they were top 4 or better, and 13 of them were top 3. 4 regular season league titles. 6 NCAA 2nd weekends including an Elite 8. That’s really good.
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Holy smokes! Farleigh Ridiculous!!!
Those Jersey Schools are killers; first Princeton, now FDU.
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what game did you watch lol
The one where the issue wasn’t the guy who shot 7/11 and had 21 points and 15 rebounds on a defense that sent 5 every time he touched the ball. Lol.
Go complain about defensive 3 seconds not being called in the college game enough some more.
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In the Big Ten, Painter has had 14 out of 18 NCAA Tourney years. And in the Big 10 they were top 4 or better, and 13 of them were top 3. 4 regular season league titles. 6 NCAA 2nd weekends including an Elite 8. That’s really good.
😂😂😂 He’s talking about Marquette.
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I had Purdue going out against Memphis. Never had much faith in them. I don’t think they were ever getting to us.
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The one where the issue wasn’t the guy who shot 7/11 and had 21 points and 15 rebounds on a defense that sent 5 every time he touched the ball. Lol.
Go complain about defensive 3 seconds not being called in the college game enough some more.
Did you see the play where an uncontested rebound bounced off his face lololol. He’s so bad!
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😂😂😂 He’s talking about Marquette.
Purdue just lost moments ago, and that is their record. And he posted it immediately after the Purdue post.
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Tshiebwe just had 25 reb for Kentucky. Yikes.
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Purdue just lost moments ago, and that is their record. And he posted it immediately after the Purdue post.
😂😂😂 He was talking to Nolongerwarriors
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Can we change NLW to nolongeronscoop.
What a total piece of crap life he must have to resort this behavior.
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Tshiebwe just had 25 reb for Kentucky. Yikes.
Yeah. A 25/8 game for him.
Go Montana State tonight and Sunday.
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Did you see the play where an uncontested rebound bounced off his face lololol. He’s so bad!
Oh no! Not a fumbled rebound on an awful shot the ricocheted off the rim weird! He could’ve had 16 rebounds had he corralled that, how awful!
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Well, I went 5-0 on my Big East picks. That’s a small consolation I guess for an otherwise crappy bracket
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😂😂😂 He was talking to Nolongerwarriors
Maybe so. The post above his was about Purdue. And he posted Purdue’s record. Whether it’s a reply to his post, or the one above his. my content still applies and is the same. My post is about Purdue and Painter.
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Tshiebwe just had 25 reb for Kentucky. Yikes.
Providence beat him 31 - 25.
(that's nuts)
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Merrimack won the NEC by beating FDU. Merrimack can't go to the tournament because of a stupid ncaa rule as they need to be a D1 school for 5 years. They are in year 3.
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Now people should understand why I stated repeatedly that Purdue was a dumpster fire about three weeks ago. :)
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Oh no! Not a fumbled rebound on an awful shot the ricocheted off the rim weird! He could’ve had 16 rebounds had he corralled that, how awful!
Fumbled? That’s generous. I’ve never seen a ball get fumbled by a face hahaha!
Against a team like Fairleigh Dickinson he probably should’ve had like 30 rebounds. He’s awful! And he’s gonna be watching the rest of the tourney from home. Sorry wades I know you liked him.
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Painter for coach of the year
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Maybe so. The post above his was about Purdue. And he posted Purdue’s record. Whether it’s a reply to his post, or the one above his. my content still applies and is the same. My post is about Purdue and Painter.
😂😂😂 You are such a moron.
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WTF?? Drake just got hosed on that call.
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Well, I went 5-0 on my Big East picks. That’s a small consolation I guess for an otherwise crappy bracket
Same here, crappy bracket, great at picking the BE even though it was just chalk.
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Purdue just lost moments ago, and that is their record. And he posted it immediately after the Purdue post.
I am talking to NLW. Look elsewhere for your fauxrage.
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😂😂😂 You are such a moron.
Keyboard tough guy when not standing next to the person.
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Future Big East member Drake
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Future Big East member Drake
Choked.
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Drake fked up. Threw that one away.
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Drake one point in last five minutes. Were up 8.
Drake star/ Conference MVP shoots 1 for 13 from field, 1 for 11 from three. Ballgame
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Drake one point in last five minutes. Were up 8.
Drake star/ Conference MVP shoots 1 for 13 from field, 1 for 11 from three. Ballgame
Coaches son too.
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Maybe so. The post above his was about Purdue. And he posted Purdue’s record. Whether it’s a reply to his post, or the one above his. my content still applies and is the same. My post is about Purdue and Painter.
Just say, “whoops, my bad,” and move on. Practice in front of a mirror if it helps. Its just a message board.
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Did I just hear that FDU is the smallest team in the tournament? :)
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Just say, “whoops, my bad,” and move on. Practice in front of a mirror if it helps. Its just a message board.
You’re projecting.
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Painter for coach of the year
The B10 is just sooooo tough year in and year out. He!!, they deserved to get 13 in the Tournament this year
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Did I just hear that FDU is the smallest team in the tournament? :)
You’re projecting.
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Lost in all of this, somewhere Arizona is thrilled
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Lost in all of this, somewhere Arizona is thrilled
That's a Farleigh safe bet.
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The gym was electric for FDU, that team has some motor. What a game
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I’m gonna call bs on this one. Let see it.
Well, turns out you were right. Was trying to figure out how to post an image of the bracket to here...was going to PM it to you, but alas I'm not sure how to post an image.
But in the process I realized I actually had 4 misses. I thought it was only Furman and FDU, but I also had Iowa State and A&M advance (and they didn't).
Really thought I only missed two, but I was wrong. Still currently ranked 9558 on ESPN, which is still pretty good.
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Yes it is. I’m just salty about mine.
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Fumbled? That’s generous. I’ve never seen a ball get fumbled by a face hahaha!
Against a team like Fairleigh Dickinson he probably should’ve had like 30 rebounds. He’s awful! And he’s gonna be watching the rest of the tourney from home. Sorry wades I know you liked him.
You’ve never seen a football bounce off a guy’s facemask and a defender recover it? Hmm. Must not watch a lot of football.
I have no real feelings positive or negative about Edey. I’m just not sure claiming the guy who was head and shoulders (literally) above everyone else in the NPOY race is terrible at basketball is very intelligent. Especially in a game where his team shot 35% from the field and had 16 turnovers where Edey was 7/11 for 21 points and 15 rebounds, just 2 turnovers despite being guarded by 5 all game. If you really believe he’s bad at basketball you aren’t very smart. Which you’ve proven with your defensive three second complaints.
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Edey is fine, but he also only had one field goal attempt in the last 12 minutes. That just can’t happen.
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The levels to FDU are what make it all the more amazing for me. They did it despite being one of the bottom 4 #16 seeds so they had to play on Wed night. Also because they only got into the tournament based on the NCAAs BS probation rule about moving up a division which kept conference regular season and tournament winner Merrimack at home. Then, even further, both of the electric Mighty Mouse guards, and another starter, were D2 players that came with FDU’s coach when he took the job this year, so last year they were playing D2 ball in a glorified HS gym.
Just incredible stuff. Tobin Anderson was a machine in D2. I doubt he stays at FDU all that long, he’s gonna get solid Mid major looks
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Matt Painter is 9-3 against Tom Izzo in their last 12 meetings.
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You’ve never seen a football bounce off a guy’s facemask and a defender recover it? Hmm. Must not watch a lot of football.
I have no real feelings positive or negative about Edey. I’m just not sure claiming the guy who was head and shoulders (literally) above everyone else in the NPOY race is terrible at basketball is very intelligent. Especially in a game where his team shot 35% from the field and had 16 turnovers where Edey was 7/11 for 21 points and 15 rebounds, just 2 turnovers despite being guarded by 5 all game. If you really believe he’s bad at basketball you aren’t very smart. Which you’ve proven with your defensive three second complaints.
He’s bad at basketball. He’s a million feet tall and just led his team to a loss to the shortest team in the tournament. He’s very very bad.
Large? Yes. Good? Absolutely not.
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He’s bad at basketball. He’s a million feet tall and just led his team to a loss to the shortest team in the tournament. He’s very very bad.
Large? Yes. Good? Absolutely not.
There's been plenty of guys his size who can barely play the game. He's one of the best players in the country who had a bad game because Purdue's guards suck and the opposition double and triple teamed him forcing the ball out of his hands.
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He’s bad at basketball. He’s a million feet tall and just led his team to a loss to the shortest team in the tournament. He’s very very bad.
Large? Yes. Good? Absolutely not.
So you’re one of those guys who think Giannis is not skilled and can only run and jump. Checks out.
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There's been plenty of guys his size who can barely play the game.
Edey can barely play basketball. The ball bounced off his face, uncontested. He got stripped every time he touched the ball in crunch time. He got outrebounded by kids 8-10 inches shorter than him. He had a crucial turnover and 0 rebounds in the last two minutes of the game.
Did we all watch the same game? The guy is an unskilled ogre. I’ve even thought that in their wins.
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So you’re one of those guys who think Giannis is not skilled and can only run and jump. Checks out.
If you’re honestly comparing Giannis to Zach Edey I think it’s clear who doesn’t know ball here lol.
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Edey can barely play basketball. The ball bounced off his face, uncontested. He got stripped every time he touched the ball in crunch time. He got outrebounded by kids 8-10 inches shorter than him. He had a crucial turnover and 0 rebounds in the last two minutes of the game.
Did we all watch the same game? The guy is an unskilled ogre. I’ve even thought that in their wins.
He had a bad game. However he had an incredible season which is why he’s shortlisted for national player of the year. Do players who can barely play basketball generally receive that distinction or did he rig the vote ?
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Edey can barely play basketball. The ball bounced off his face, uncontested. He got stripped every time he touched the ball in crunch time. He got outrebounded by kids 8-10 inches shorter than him. He had a crucial turnover and 0 rebounds in the last two minutes of the game.
Did we all watch the same game? The guy is an unskilled ogre. I’ve even thought that in their wins.
Obviously we did not. “He got outrebounded by kids 8-10 inches shorter than him.” He did? I checked the stats and he had 15 rebounds. Nobody in the game besides him had more than 6 for FDU. Or are you saying he should’ve rebounded every missed shot in the game, because he’s tall, after all?
So guards should never, ever get a rebound in basketball if the big men are competent basketball players, it appears.
FDU collapsed 5 on him. You obviously were not watching the game. Or are as clueless as you believe Edey is bad at basketball.
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If you’re honestly comparing Giannis to Zach Edey I think it’s clear who doesn’t know ball here lol.
Says the guy who thinks the tallest person on the floor should get every single rebound or he’s incompetent at the sport.
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He had a bad game. However he had an incredible season which is why he’s shortlisted for national player of the year. Do players who can barely play basketball generally receive that distinction or did he rig the vote ?
No, I just think his size alone allows him to score points and grab rebounds in a physically inferior conference such as the Big 10.
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Says the guy who thinks the tallest person on the floor should get every single rebound or he’s incompetent at the sport.
You just compared Zach Edey to Giannis my guy, it’s over.
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You just compared Zach Edey to Giannis my guy, it’s over.
Did I?
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No, I just think his size alone allows him to score points and grab rebounds in a physically inferior conference such as the Big 10.
Why didn’t Matt haarms or Isaac Haas put up the same numbers as Edey this year? They’re both huge ipso facto should dominate. Yet they both fell way short of accomplishing what Edey did this season. It’s almost like there still is skill involved.
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Or are you saying he should’ve rebounded every missed shot in the game, because he’s tall, after all?
Not exaggerating he should’ve had 25+ rebounds in this game. He was godawful. 15 in a close game against Fairleigh Dickinson is horrifyingly bad.
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No, I just think his size alone allows him to score points and grab rebounds in a physically inferior conference such as the Big 10.
So tall people are generally better at basketball than shorter people? You don’t say! I swear I’ve seen a ton of sub 6’ people in every single game yesterday and today.
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Why didn’t Matt haarms or Isaac Haas put up the same numbers as Edey this year? They’re both huge ipso facto should dominate. Yet they both fell way short of accomplishing what Edey did this season. It’s almost like there still is skill involved.
They’re all cut from the same cloth. Nationally recognized ogres with little to no basketball knowledge or skill that flame out in the tournament because they make their teams painfully one dimensional.
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They’re all cut from the same cloth. Nationally recognized ogres with little to no basketball knowledge or skill that flame out in the tournament because they make their teams painfully one dimensional.
So why didn’t either of those two ogres put up similar numbers to the other ogre ?
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So why didn’t either of those two ogres put up similar numbers to the other ogre ?
Which ogre ogred the best of all the ogres? Edey I guess?
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Which ogre ogred the best of all the ogres? Edey I guess?
Yes - it’s almost like there are varying levels of skill at all positions on the basketball court. Some taller players are better than others because they do some things better than others.
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Yes - it’s almost like there are varying levels of skill at all positions on the basketball court. Some taller players are better than others because they do some things better than others.
Ok on a scale of 1-100 with 100 being the GOAT basketball player, Edey is a 3, Haas was a 2, and Haarms was a 1. Is this your point?
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Good grief - Memphis has a 26 year old player. This Covid year crap has gotten out of control. 😳
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Good grief - Memphis has a 26 year old player. 😳
Uhhh......WTF???
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Guesses on 5$’s height? I’d say under 5’4”.
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Ok on a scale of 1-100 with 100 being the GOAT basketball player, Edey is a 3, Haas was a 2, and Haarms was a 1. Is this your point?
So why weren’t the other two up for national player of the year ? They’re just giants that all dominate because they’re tall right ?
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FAU/Memphis has been wild.
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So why weren’t the other two up for national player of the year ? They’re just giants that all dominate because they’re tall right ?
Edey is the tallest
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Edey is the tallest
1 inch is the difference between a decent player and a national player of the year ? Lol take a seat buddy
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Thank you FAU.
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1 inch is the difference between a decent player and a national player of the year ? Lol take a seat buddy
Let’s see what Zach Edey does professionally.
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Let’s see what Zach Edey does professionally.
Nothing in the nba for sure. However that doesn’t change the fact he’s an incredible college player.
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Nothing in the nba for sure. However that doesn’t change the fact he’s an incredible college player.
It shows that he’s bad at basketball and just tall.
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Thank you FAU.
Not sure why Penny used his time-out on defense there. After FAU scored, Memphis was screwed.
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It shows that he’s bad at basketball and just tall.
It shows that the nba is a totally different game than college.
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It shows that the nba is a totally different game than college.
It shows that the NBA is where good basketball players end up playing.
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Let’s see what Zach Edey does professionally.
You’re on a college basketball forum discussing college basketball and the NCAA Tournament.
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Good grief - Memphis has a 26 year old player. This Covid year crap has gotten out of control. 😳
Edit: Nm mixed up my 20 something year old Memphis players.
Damaria is still an awesome kid though and his dad is hilarious.
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Not sure why Penny used his time-out on defense there. After FAU scored, Memphis was screwed.
No idea. He looked unhappy and chucked his water bottle. I don't root for teams with players in their late 20,'s. :)
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It shows that the NBA is where good basketball players end up playing.
Buddy do you have aspergers?
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He’s bad at basketball. He’s a million feet tall and just led his team to a loss to the shortest team in the tournament. He’s very very bad.
Large? Yes. Good? Absolutely not.
That’s an insane comment. Your reaction to a team losing is to blame the guy who had the best game. Not his crappy teammates. Not his garbage coach.
I’m guessing that every time the Bucks lose, you blame Giannis.
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Buddy do you have aspergers?
Excellent finish. Thanks for playing.
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Excellent finish. Thanks for playing.
What’s the market in the nba for a big man who can’t shoot the three ?
Shaq wouldn’t cut it in todays nba but does that make him a bad basketball player ?
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What’s the market in the nba for a big man who can’t shoot the three ?
Shaq wouldn’t cut it in todays nba but does that make him a bad basketball player ?
I'm not so sure about that. It's not like Edey is comparable to Shaq.
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There has been some brutal coaching the last 2 days. Hard to say who is worse.
Gotta be Painter or Bennett. Two overrated slugs. Both have made a habit out of losing to 13-16 seeded teams. Upsets can happen. When it becomes a habit, it is all on the coach.
Maybe some team can hire Bennett and Painter as co-coaches. Then hire Brad Underwood, Wojo, and the corpse of Bob Dukiet as assistants.
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I'm not so sure about that. It's not like Edey is comparable to Shaq.
They don’t get it
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What’s the market in the nba for a big man who can’t shoot the three ?
Shaq wouldn’t cut it in todays nba but does that make him a bad basketball player ?
Shaw would be a star in today’s NBA.
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Shaq wouldn’t cut it in todays nba but does that make him a bad basketball player ?
Shaq would absolutely cut it in today’s NBA because he was good at basketball. Zach Edey is not. This conversation has nothing to do with shooting 3 pointers.
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Shaw would be a star in today’s NBA.
With the skill set in the early 2000’s back to the basket banger? I don’t think so.
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With the skill set in the early 2000’s back to the basket banger? I don’t think so.
Comparing Zach Edey to Shaq while simultaneously asserting that Shaq wouldn’t cut it in todays NBA.
Holy L takes… the only better take I’ve seen so far is comparing Giannis to Edey lol.
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Shaq would absolutely cut it in today’s NBA because he was good at basketball. Zach Edey is not. This conversation has nothing to do with shooting 3 pointers.
You said edey is a bad college basketball player because he won’t play in the nba. That’s categorically false. If it was 1998, he’d be a top 3 draft pick.
But the nba game has changed and his dominant back to the basket skill set doesn’t translate to the space and pace nature of todays nba.
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You said edey is a bad college basketball player because he won’t play in the nba. That’s categorically false. If it was 1998, he’d be a top 3 draft pick.
But the nba game has changed and his dominant back to the basket skill set doesn’t translate to the space and pace nature of todays nba.
I don’t think you’re getting it. Zach Edey doesn’t have a very good back to the basket skill set. Shaq had possibly one of the best in basketball history (with Kareem, Wilt, Duncan - although Duncan could also play at the elbow extended).
If he did, he’d be valuable in today’s NBA. Do you get it now?
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Unofficial stat here, but Kent State is 2/457 on layups tonight.
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Boy did Arizona State choke that one away
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Where are Sunday’s times?!?!
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With the skill set in the early 2000’s back to the basket banger? I don’t think so.
30 year old huge Laker Shaq? Probably not. But watch his LSU and Magic highlights. The way he ran the floor, his agility, his footwork, his quickness for his size…he’d still be an animal
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Comparing Zach Edey to Shaq while simultaneously asserting that Shaq wouldn’t cut it in todays NBA.
Holy L takes… the only better take I’ve seen so far is comparing Giannis to Edey lol.
Who compared Giannis to Edey?
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Who compared Giannis to Edey?
Wades
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With the skill set in the early 2000’s back to the basket banger? I don’t think so.
Huh??? Shaq would fit in a dominate ANY era
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We are all a little hopped up today but these arguments are ridiculous.
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There has been some brutal coaching the last 2 days. Hard to say who is worse.
Gotta be Painter or Bennett. Two overrated slugs. Both have made a habit out of losing to 13-16 seeded teams. Upsets can happen. When it becomes a habit, it is all on the coach.
Maybe some team can hire Bennett and Painter as co-coaches. Then hire Brad Underwood, Wojo, and the corpse of Bob Dukiet as assistants.
Shaka has had a ton of flameouts in the tourney. And if MU loses to Joey Hauser, it will be another.
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Shaka has had a ton of flameouts in the tourney. And if MU loses to Joey Hauser, it will be another.
How’s the family? Do you call them between your every-other weekend visits?
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30 year old huge Laker Shaq? Probably not. But watch his LSU and Magic highlights. The way he ran the floor, his agility, his footwork, his quickness for his size…he’d still be an animal
I totally agree with that. College Shaq was a completely different player than his laker days. The reason I brought it up and am chuckling now is that 12ish year old me and my friends would debate on who was the alpha on the lakers, Kobe or Shaq. The weak counterpoint against Shaq would always be “he’s just bigger and stronger than everyone else. All he does is dunk.” Which is essentially the edey argument. And I don’t think anyone would call 2001 Shaq bad at basketball, just big.
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Shaq was a lot of fun to watch during his time at LSU. He ran the court, ton of dunks and very athletic, especially for his size. His game changed over time but he was a very athletic big guy and loved to bring the ball up the court.
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Shaq was a lot of fun to watch during his time at LSU. He ran the court, ton of dunks and very athletic, especially for his size. His game changed over time but he was a very athletic big guy and loved to bring the ball up the court.
Agree goose - he was a totally different player earlier in his career.
Do you remember buying your kids the Shaq action figure ?
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panda
I do not remember if we bought the kids Shaq action figures, but there is no doubt in our house on how fun it was watching him play.
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Pat Kelsey is a great recruiter and a great coach with a big personality. Will dominate at his next program. I advocated for him over the Wojo hire.
Advocated? Did you submit his resume or write a letter of reference?
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5-4 for the Big 10. Not too bad outside of the Purdue debacle.
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5-4 for the Big 10. Not too bad outside of the Purdue debacle.
I mean, you can’t not include that though. They probably go 0-3 today though.
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5-4 for the Big 10. Not too bad outside of the Purdue debacle.
Their seed line predicted 6-3. Purdue lost, Iowa lost, Penn State won.
The biggest issue is that their seed line predicts 1-4 in the next round. And that 1 is a four seed Indiana playing a five seed Miami. They will need upsets to get multiple teams through to S16.
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5-4 for the Big 10. Not too bad outside of the Purdue debacle.
This is what really hurt my bracket. Other than Purdue, I had every other Big 10 team losing, which seemed reasonable given recent performance. That’s 6 misses right there.
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This might be a nit pick, but the winner of the Tenn/Duke game will get one extra day of rest when play starts at MSG. You would expect all teams be treated the same.
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This might be a nit pick, but the winner of the Tenn/Duke game will get one extra day of rest when play starts at MSG. You would expect all teams be treated the same.
No way you can guarantee that with the pod system. And three versus four days isn’t really significant.
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Clearly, the NCAA loves Duke and hates MU.
::)
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There are some pretty wide point spreads today. I'm not sure I'm buying it. I will be rooting for Princeton and Tennessee first and foremost.
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Speaking of “tall guys” when is Chet holmgren gonna “showcase” his talent? Apparently he had what’s called the lisfranc injury to his right foot. Couldn’t have been from placing too much weight on it unless his bones can’t support that massive frame of his
Sorry, but I’m just not sold on this guy being worthy of a #2 pick in NBA unless he can bulk up like Giannis of which I highly doubt. The dudes gonna break in half
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Maybe use the NBA topic in the Superbar?
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Speaking of “tall guys” when is Chet holmgren gonna “showcase” his talent? Apparently he had what’s called the lisfranc injury to his right foot. Couldn’t have been from placing too much weight on it unless his bones can’t support that massive frame of his
Sorry, but I’m just not sold on this guy being worthy of a #2 pick in NBA unless he can bulk up like Giannis of which I highly doubt. The dudes gonna break in half
Rocket,
FDU beat Purdue and their tallest player is 6'6. :)
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Speaking of “tall guys” when is Chet holmgren gonna “showcase” his talent? Apparently he had what’s called the lisfranc injury to his right foot. Couldn’t have been from placing too much weight on it unless his bones can’t support that massive frame of his
Sorry, but I’m just not sold on this guy being worthy of a #2 pick in NBA unless he can bulk up like Giannis of which I highly doubt. The dudes gonna break in half
Any real dr will tell you that’s basically a sprained vagina am I right ?
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SDSU just did one of my favorite plays. An alley oop thrown from beyond mid court.
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I'm not sure Stan Van Gundy adds much to the Harlan/Bonner broadcast. Seems completely random.
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Clearly, the NCAA loves Duke and hates MU.
::)
ESPN is obviously whispering in their ear.
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Furman is getting smoked by the Aztecs. It makes me wonder how bad the ACC was this year.
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Furman is getting smoked by the Aztecs. It makes me wonder how bad the ACC was this year.
The eye test and raw numbers say the ACC is not very good (for a P6).
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This might be a nit pick, but the winner of the Tenn/Duke game will get one extra day of rest when play starts at MSG. You would expect all teams be treated the same.
MU has played three games in the building.
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Furman is getting smoked by the Aztecs. It makes me wonder how bad the ACC was this year.
One result against a conference doesn’t mean much.
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You’ve never seen a football bounce off a guy’s facemask and a defender recover it? Hmm. Must not watch a lot of football.
I have no real feelings positive or negative about Edey. I’m just not sure claiming the guy who was head and shoulders (literally) above everyone else in the NPOY race is terrible at basketball is very intelligent. Especially in a game where his team shot 35% from the field and had 16 turnovers where Edey was 7/11 for 21 points and 15 rebounds, just 2 turnovers despite being guarded by 5 all game. If you really believe he’s bad at basketball you aren’t very smart. Which you’ve proven with your defensive three second complaints.
I've watched a lot of Purdue basketball over the last several years. I've probably watched 40+ games since Edey's freshman year. I'm admittedly not in the "knows ball" club, but the progress Edey has made is really impressive. He is a completely different player than he was as a freshman. His footwork is much, much better and he's developed a number of shots. He's a quality big man at this point and to say he's terrible just shows a lot of ignorance (and also quite a lot of ego since he's the odds on favorite to win NPOY). There's no question that he's still a work in progress and needs to develop more skills. But, if he continues to improve at the rate he has improved over the last three seasons -- which isn't a given -- he'll make a pretty good living playing basketball for a while. He'd have been a force in the NBA about 20-30 years ago, but the game has changed quite a bit and doesn't really favor his particular skills (one of which is being an absolutely massive human being).
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First round upsets are fun, but they can make for some lousy second round games.
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Wades
No he didn’t.
Wades knows basketball. You don’t.
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That’s an insane comment. Your reaction to a team losing is to blame the guy who had the best game. Not his crappy teammates. Not his garbage coach.
I've been saying for several weeks that they were in trouble. Despite being a Purdue fan -- and someone who is prone to over-optimism when filling out brackets -- I had Purdue losing in the Sweet 16. I wanted the rematch, but was pretty sure Purdue wouldn't survive to see it.
They relied heavily on a couple of freshman guards. Those two haven't been as effective in the last couple weeks.
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One result against a conference doesn’t mean much.
No, but to be throttled by SDSU after beating the top of the ACC is a bit surprising.
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No, but to be throttled by SDSU after beating the top of the ACC is a bit surprising.
Virginia losing to a low seed is not a new thing.
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Virginia losing to a low seed is not a new thing.
Nor is Purdue losing. :)
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No he didn’t.
Wades knows basketball. You don’t.
Cry? Wades has been a mile off on every take he’s had.
Who would we hire if we were to get rid of Wojo? That’s my personal favorite.
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Two boneheaded plays by the Tennessee center. I get Fillopowsli flopped but you can't be that stupid.
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There were more than 20 million brackets submitted across the NCAA’s Bracket Challenge Game, ESPN, CBS and Yahoo.
Even before FDU beat Purdue, there were only 26 perfect brackets left. After it? Zero.
ZERO!
Gotta love it!
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Virginia losing to a low seed is not a new thing.
Yup. I’ve said it a million times and I’ll keep saying it, the style they play gives underdogs great opportunities for upsets. Has nothing to do with the league.
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Kevin Harlan is America’s best pbp guy right now.
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Kevin Harlan is America’s best pbp guy right now.
I'll take Ian Eagle but Harlan is better than Nantz.
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When your head gets hit by the basketball how exactly is that a foul?
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Tennessee is just physically beating Duke’s ass right now.
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Tennessee is just physically beating Duke’s ass right now.
Yep. Surprised Fillipowski is on the bench and not getting stitches.
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I'll take Ian Eagle but Harlan is better than Nantz.
They’re both so much better than Nantz.
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C'mon Duke, win this thing so we can kick your ass at MSG.
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Yep. Surprised Fillipowski is on the bench and not getting stitches.
Karma for flopping earlier?
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Yup. I’ve said it a million times and I’ll keep saying it, the style they play gives underdogs great opportunities for upsets. Has nothing to do with the league.
Yup yup. Slow tempo is great when you have less talent than your opponent. But when you’re the more talented team, more possessions = higher win probability.
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Forgot about Jonas Aidoo until just now…
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Stan Van Gundy appears to be lobbying for a spot on the Duke coaching staff with all his ass kissing. 😳
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C'mon Duke, win this thing so we can kick your ass at MSG.
Hope they beat each other up, especially since the winner likely gets Florida Atlantic in the next round.
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Stan Van Gundy appears to be lobbying for a spot on the Duke coaching staff with all his ass kissing. 😳
Again, I have no idea why he's part of this broadcast team.
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Again, I have no idea why he's part of this broadcast team.
He hates Marquette, too
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He hates Marquette, too
Dating from his days as Badger coach no doubt.
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Dating from his days as Badger coach no doubt.
Kevin Harlan hasn’t said anything about Marquette yet, either. It’s obvious he hates them, too
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Does Duke have an offense? Other than taking terrible shots?
This game has been a brutal watch thus far
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Good close to the half for Tennessee.
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Forgot about Jonas Aidoo until just now…
Had a pretty good 1st half.
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Does Duke have an offense? Other than taking terrible shots?
This game has been a brutal watch thus far
Their offense was pretty good the last six weeks or so but turnovers were a problem early in the year.
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Tennessee is certainly the closest match in the bracket to our pressure defense but our offense is better on the whole.
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No, but to be throttled by SDSU after beating the top of the ACC is a bit surprising.
It shouldn't be. In order to pull off that upset, the team has to be really overlooked or just played the perfect game. Sometimes it is the former, ala Dick Bennett's Green Bay teams. Usually it is the latter. They cannot do it two games in a row, their opponent is not looking past them, but may be thanking their lucky stars that they do not have to play the team they beat and goes out to kill them early. That is what happened to Furman. And Lehigh, and Norfolk State.
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It shouldn't be. In order to pull off that upset, the team has to be really overlooked or just played the perfect game. Sometimes it is the former, ala Dick Bennett's Green Bay teams. Usually it is the latter. They cannot do it two games in a row, their opponent is not looking past them, but may be thanking their lucky stars that they do not have to play the team they beat and goes out to kill them early. That is what happened to Furman. And Lehigh, and Norfolk State.
St. Peter's did beat Kentucky and then Purdue last year.
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Considering their game will be done before we tip off, who do people want in K-State/Kentucky?
I want K-State. I think Stevie and O-Max are ideal to guard Nowell and Johnson. I also don't think they have anyone who can impose their physical will on Oso like Tshiebwe might. They also aren't great at 2PFG% defense, which is our bread and butter. Finally, it gives Shaka the chance at a H2H win over fellow NCOY candidate Tang. Give me the Purple Kittens.
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Yup, been saying it since the start of the tourney. I want no part of Tshiebwe
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That's 4 on Roach. Time for Tenn to take control of this game.
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Vescovi is a heck of a player. Is he on the NBA radar?
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Vescovi is a heck of a player. Is he on the NBA radar?
I'd think so. Did he have any crossover with Ben at NBAA?
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Considering their game will be done before we tip off, who do people want in K-State/Kentucky?
I want K-State. I think Stevie and O-Max are ideal to guard Nowell and Johnson. I also don't think they have anyone who can impose their physical will on Oso like Tshiebwe might. They also aren't great at 2PFG% defense, which is our bread and butter. Finally, it gives Shaka the chance at a H2H win over fellow NCOY candidate Tang. Give me the Purple Kittens.
K-State 100%
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Considering their game will be done before we tip off, who do people want in K-State/Kentucky?
I want K-State. I think Stevie and O-Max are ideal to guard Nowell and Johnson. I also don't think they have anyone who can impose their physical will on Oso like Tshiebwe might. They also aren't great at 2PFG% defense, which is our bread and butter. Finally, it gives Shaka the chance at a H2H win over fellow NCOY candidate Tang. Give me the Purple Kittens.
I don’t care, Brew. We are the #2 seed. We are the power.
Let them worry about playing us. I realize matchups are important, but we are probably as matchup-proof as any team in the tournament.
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Roach just fouled out. That's a fking joke.
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I don’t care, Brew. We are the #2 seed. We are the power.
Let them worry about playing us. I realize matchups are important, but we are probably as matchup-proof as any team in the tournament.
Nobody is scared to play Marquette.
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The Zebras are not having a good game.
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It's time for the Vols to slam the door.
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It's time for the Vols to slam the door.
Game over
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Barnes has made Scheyer his bitch tonight
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nKAMhoua is goin’ all KAM on the dookies.
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Nobody is scared to play Marquette.
So what kind of team is going to actually beat us? Doubt you have an answer. I suppose a team that can match our combination of defensive pressure and offensive firepower.
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nKAMhoua is goin’ all KAM on the dookies.
He's been outstanding. No idea why Duke abandoned their zone.
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B…but…they’re 19-1 when fully healthy!!!!
ESPN should be embarassed with how much they hyped this team. And a fair amount of posters here went along with it.
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So what kind of team is going to actually beat us? Doubt you have an answer. I suppose a team that can match our combination of defensive pressure and offensive firepower.
Considering he’s been wrong about everything he’s posted since Shaka Smart got hired, it should fill you with confidence
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No, but to be throttled by SDSU after beating the top of the ACC is a bit surprising.
SDSU -5.5 was the easiest bet of the day. Furman plays almost identical to CSU, SDSU is 8-3 ATS against CSU under Dutcher. There was arguably no better team SDSU could have matched up with today than Furman.
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B…but…they’re 19-1 when fully healthy!!!!
ESPN should be embarassed with how much they hyped this team. And a fair amount of posters here went along with it.
I mean, in fairness they did lose a starter right before this game. So not fully healthy.
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UT going to choke this game aeay.
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ACC about to be down to only Pitt and Miami.
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B…but…they’re 19-1 when fully healthy!!!!
ESPN should be embarassed with how much they hyped this team. And a fair amount of posters here went along with it.
I’ve watched a fair amount of Duke this year. They were a far better team entering March than they were in November. The defense and offense got better each month.
Tennessee was the more physical team and Duke couldn’t handle their intensity.
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ACC and Big Ten have been really bad all year. Tournament obviously no exception.
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Buh Bye Duke. :)
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I’ve watched a fair amount of Duke this year. They were a far better team entering March than they were in November. The defense and offense got better each month.
Tennessee was the more physical team and Duke couldn’t handle their intensity.
No doubt they were peaking at the right time. But they were never an elite tier team, even with the whole group healthy.
The scoop jokes a lot about “media bias” in college hoops, but the ESPN slant toward Duke is very real and very tiresome.
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UT going to choke this game aeay.
The reverse jinx worked!!!
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Duke is still "19-1 with their top 6 players". LOL.
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Meh. Tourney champ that got a 5 seed. Apparently, they weren't the problem I thought they would be. Cool.
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I still hate the staggered Saturday scheduling
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Purdue was a far better matchup for MU than Duke, who might be playing the best basketball in the country.
It's just a fact.
Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering.
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I still hate the staggered Saturday scheduling
Ya... ..it doesn't make any sense to me.
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Ya... ..it doesn't make any sense to me.
I know they want to maximize night viewing for advertisers but as a fan, there’s too much dead air like now
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Purdue was a far better matchup for MU than Duke, who might be playing the best basketball in the country.
It's just a fact.
Have you ever considered saying and doing the exact opposite of your instincts? Seems like an approach you could benefit from.
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Buh Bye Duke. :)
Shhhhh. Don't tell Vital or ESPN. It will ruin their year. ;D
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I know they want to maximize night viewing for advertisers but as a fan, there’s too much dead air like now
Agreed. Also if you have a crapttttty game like Furman/SDSU there's no auxiliary option.
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No doubt they were peaking at the right time. But they were never an elite tier team, even with the whole group healthy.
The scoop jokes a lot about “media bias” in college hoops, but the ESPN slant toward Duke is very real and very tiresome.
Scheyer just found out that coaching is more than just rolling out a lineup of 5-stars. As the Duke aura wears off, he will be more and more exposed as a Wojo level coach.
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Have you ever considered saying and doing the exact opposite of your instincts? Seems like an approach you could benefit from.
The Costanza? I like it.
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The Costanza? I like it.
Exactly!
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Every time nlw posts, I feel better about MU.
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Considering their game will be done before we tip off, who do people want in K-State/Kentucky?
I want K-State. I think Stevie and O-Max are ideal to guard Nowell and Johnson. I also don't think they have anyone who can impose their physical will on Oso like Tshiebwe might. They also aren't great at 2PFG% defense, which is our bread and butter. Finally, it gives Shaka the chance at a H2H win over fellow NCOY candidate Tang. Give me the Purple Kittens.
My bank account wants Kansas State. With Duke and Kentucky out it will be much more economical feasible to get tickets for MSG. From past experience both Duke and Kentucky travel enormously well.
Doubt the same numbers from Tennessee and Kansas State would show up. Not to say they won’t show up just doubt there are a ton of Walmart Volunteer and KState fans.
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Scheyer just found out that coaching is more than just rolling out a lineup of 5-stars. As the Duke aura wears off, he will be more and more exposed as a Wojo level coach.
He did a really good job coaching them this year, actually. Much better team at the end of the year than they were earlier.
And he’s still bringing in studs. Nike money matters
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My bank account wants Kansas State. With Duke and Kentucky out it will be much more economical feasible to get tickets for MSG. From past experience both Duke and Kentucky travel enormously well.
Doubt the same numbers from Tennessee and Kansas State would show up. Not to say they won’t show up just doubt there are a ton of Walmart Volunteer and KState fans.
Volunteer Nation travels.
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Kansas off to fast start. Playing very SELF-lessly.
C'mon, somebody had to say it.
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He did a really good job coaching them this year, actually. Much better team at the end of the year than they were earlier.
And he’s still bringing in studs. Nike money matters
I think it was more a matter of players getting healthy. And with NIL, it won’t be as easy to buy players like they used to.
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Kansas off to fast start. Playing very SELF-lessly.
C'mon, somebody had to say it.
Ark better wake the H up.
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St. Peter's did beat Kentucky and then Purdue last year.
Yeah, but St. Petes is from Jersey. Any school from Jersey is always under estimated. Of any of the teams in our bracket it is FDU that should be feared.
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Agreed. Also if you have a crapttttty game like Furman/SDSU there's no auxiliary option.
LIV Golf is on….
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Yeah, but St. Petes is from Jersey. Any school from Jersey is always under estimated.
We always assume it is another reform school.
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He did a really good job coaching them this year, actually. Much better team at the end of the year than they were earlier.
And he’s still bringing in studs. Nike money matters
I think he’s gonna have trouble as a game coach. He’ll get talent, he can prep/coach up throughout the season, but he got owned in game today. And he had no control over his team. They were chucking the whole game, so many long twos and early in the shot clock long jumpers. They have a ton of talent so it’s ok if they are hitting, but if they aren’t or the defense is good, the wheels fall off
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I think he’s gonna have trouble as a game coach. He’ll get talent, he can prep/coach up throughout the season, but he got owned in game today. And he had no control over his team. They were chucking the whole game, so many long twos and early in the shot clock long jumpers. They have a ton of talent so it’s ok if they are hitting, but if they aren’t or the defense is good, the wheels fall off
I disagree
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Pretty good start for Princeton.
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Pretty good start for Princeton.
Feel bad for them, though. Has to be tough to play at Princeton when they didn’t have the grades to play at UW-Madison
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Feel bad for them, though. Has to be tough to play at Princeton when they didn’t have the grades to play at UW-Madison
LOL.
Princeton has an acceptance rate of 6%.
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Excuse me 4.4% as of 2021.
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Who will emerge as the Tiger King?
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Let's go Princeton!!
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Let's go Princeton!!
Gettin' open looks with ease. They just need to hit their shots and it's curtains for Mizzou.
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Muggsy, who’s number 10 on Mizzou?
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Princeton is pretty damn good. I’m impressed by their two big guys.
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Princeton is dominating this game!
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LOL.
Princeton has an acceptance rate of 6%.
Yea but they lower the standards greatly for athletes, Wisconsin won’t compromise their academic reputation like that
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Yea but they lower the standards greatly for athletes, Wisconsin won’t compromise their academic reputation like that
LOL.
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NW has their replacement when they move on from Collins
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Yea but they lower the standards greatly for athletes, Wisconsin won’t compromise their academic reputation like that
Princeton is the Wisconsin of the East.
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Damn.
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Why do you want Purdue to lose?
MU has a much better chance vs them than Duke, who would boatrace MU out of the arena.
Nostraunnatural carnal knowledgeingdomas
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Princeton. I repeat Princeton.
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My bank account wants Kansas State. With Duke and Kentucky out it will be much more economical feasible to get tickets for MSG. From past experience both Duke and Kentucky travel enormously well.
Doubt the same numbers from Tennessee and Kansas State would show up. Not to say they won’t show up just doubt there are a ton of Walmart Volunteer and KState fans.
Well, Kansas State is in Manhattan.
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Fun game between Kansas and Arkansas
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Fun game between Kansas and Arkansas
Muss coming up big when needed
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Let's Go Ark!
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Marquette University has as good a chance as any team in this tournament to win it all.
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Kansas losing its sense of SELF.
There for the taking
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That totally unnecessary 10 second violation changed that KU game.
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Cheaters go down!!!!
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YES!!!!!
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Just brutal for a 1-seed to get a top-20 KenPom team in the 2nd round. Heckuva job by the Hogs
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Cheaters go down!!!!
Top turd on the dung pile with that match up.
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Princeton in solid position! Wow!!
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Cheaters go down!!!!
Arkansas lost?
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I said it one of these threads I would be shocked if more than 1 1 seed remained after the first weekend. The team I thought would be remanning was Kansas.
Now I would be shocked if any remained after tomorrow.
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Two one seeds eliminated before the sweet 16.
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Wow the tears on that Arkansas young man after putting in the work to win.
Love this Tournament.
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Musselman…ummm…wow. Yeah…ummm…just wow.
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Wow the tears on that Arkansas young man after putting in the work to win.
Love this Tournament.
Amen.
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Kansas loss opens the door for UConn, UCLA and Gonzaga
I want to see a UConn/Arkansas matchup.
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Two one seeds eliminated before the sweet 16.
Even more, 0 for 2 thus far; two more changes to eliminate more before the S16!
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I said before the tournament there wasn't a dominant team. But I couldn't have expected this....absolutely incredible!
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Kansas loss opens the door for UConn, UCLA and Gonzaga
I want to see a UConn/Arkansas matchup.
If you get that and a UCLA/Zag matchup, that’s a great regional
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Princeton can’t miss, lol
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This tournament is drunk
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I said before the tournament there wasn't a dominant team. But I couldn't have expected this....absolutely incredible!
Its a crap shoot all right. What better team to win the crap shoot than MUScoop's favorite team. They don't call us Scoopers for nothing as we love to Scoop crap.
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I said it one of these threads I would be shocked if more than 1 1 seed remained after the first weekend. The team I thought would be remanning was Kansas.
Now I would be shocked if any remained after tomorrow.
Bama isn’t losing to Maryland
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Bama isn’t losing to Maryland
My Terps (second team) probably don’t have a chance, but I read Brandon Miller has a groin injury and may sit. Jahmir Young will have to go for 30 for Terps to win.
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Bama isn’t losing to Maryland
Especially with it being an Alabama home game in Birmingham. Would the Auburn fans there root for their hated rival Alabama, or band together against the Houston/Maryland "outside agitators"?
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Interesting note on the Ivy
https://twitter.com/kenpomeroy/status/1637244408960778240?s=46&t=QSiaGcOIKZrrpw0ciZkI5Q
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This tournament is officially a crapshoot. Obviously FDU or Princeton winning it is super unlikely but after that anything can happen.
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At this point, why not Princeton?
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This tournament is officially a crapshoot. Obviously FDU or Princeton winning it is super unlikely but after that anything can happen.
I can’t remember a time it was this wide open. Take care of business tomorrow and we’re among the favorites.
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Houston down 10 at the half.
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Princeton walk ons in as they go to the sweet 16.
Let that one rattle around in the cranium for a bit.
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Missouri fouling down 14 with 25 secs left. LOL.
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Missouri fouling down 14 with 25 secs left. LOL.
With Missouri fouling with 25 seconds left, I wanted to see Princeton drive and dunk at the end.
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At this point, why not Princeton?
Because it's going to be us.
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Bama isn’t losing to Maryland
I’m sure the same was said about Purdue and Arizona
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Because it's going to be us.
(https://media.giphy.com/media/l3q2XhfQ8oCkm1Ts4/giphy.gif)
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At this point, why not Princeton?
At this point it should be obvious that the MU of Southern NJ is an inferior product to the original…
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Fair.
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At this point, why not Princeton?
I suppose you're right. This is truly incredible.
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Missouri fouling down 14 with 25 secs left. LOL.
Is LaVall Jordan moonlighting as a Missouri coach?
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Texas and Penn State are Big Tenning things
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Dominant 2H for Houston.
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Dominant 2H for Houston.
Hack-a-Broome
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Auburn Vs Houston virtually unwatchable - a foul called on every possession.
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Auburn Vs Houston virtually unwatchable - a foul called on every possession.
Agree it’s been horrible.
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Auburn Vs Houston virtually unwatchable - a foul called on every possession.
Fair points
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I think he’s gonna have trouble as a game coach. He’ll get talent, he can prep/coach up throughout the season, but he got owned in game today. And he had no control over his team. They were chucking the whole game, so many long twos and early in the shot clock long jumpers. They have a ton of talent so it’s ok if they are hitting, but if they aren’t or the defense is good, the wheels fall off
I hope you’re wrong. He was the best player ever to come out of my hometown and a nice kid to boot.
But from what I saw today (and saw in other games this year) I suspect you’re right.
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I suppose you're right. This is truly incredible.
Muggys, Princeton is a good team but I think they will have major match-up issues if they play Baylor which has incredible size. Princeton has no size.
If they happen to pay Creighton, the Bluejays look just like Princeton to me with some size. As you know they have King and Kalkbrenner, and Kaluma to a certain degree cuz he has some length.
I could be wrong, but I'm calling "curtains" for Princeton in the Third Round (Sweet 16). They will be beat by Baylor or Creighton.
Speaking of the Big East, to me it looks like UCONN is going to at least the Elite 8.
I've attached a little present for you Muggs.
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Agree it’s been horrible.
But I will say Houston 50 Auburn 23 in the second half was impressive.
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Muggys, Princeton is a good team but I think they will have major match-up issues if they play Baylor which has incredible size. Princeton has no size.
If they happen to pay Creighton, the Bluejays look just like Princeton to me with some size. As you know they have King and Kalkbrenner, and Kaluma to a certain degree cuz he has some length.
I could be wrong, but I'm calling "curtains" for Princeton in the Third Round (Sweet 16). They will be beat by Baylor or Creighton.
Speaking of the Big East, to me it looks like UCONN is going to at least the Elite 8.
I've attached a little present for you Muggs.
SWEET!! Thx DB2.
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Texas is gagging!
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Am I the only one who rewound the Penn St-Texas game to get another look at the kid in the MU t shirt in Des Moines?
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Am I the only one who rewound the Penn St-Texas game to get another look at the kid in the MU t shirt in Des Moines?
I just saw that!
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Am I the only one who rewound the Penn St-Texas game to get another look at the kid in the MU t shirt in Des Moines?
I saw it!
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Texas is gagging!
Not playing to their strengths.
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Who is going to dry off that floor?
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Penn State had some nice looks that just wouldn’t fall.
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Three huge buckets for Disu.
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I hate this style that Penn State plays. It’s painful to watch.
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Three huge buckets for Disu.
Disu v Oso will be fun in the Final
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Schnozz-berry when they lose.
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Disu v Oso will be fun in the Final
People trying to say the committee doesn’t set up matchups. Clearly trying for the Shaka-Texas final.
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I hate this style that Penn State plays. It’s painful to watch.
I think they watched old film of Adrian Dantley to develop their offense.
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Disu saved Texas tonight. Props to that kid.
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What am I missing? 5-out dibble drive with an emphasis on 3's.
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Northwestern/UCLA just got interesting.
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It would be awesome if Northwestern was the only Big Ten team to make it.
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Cats are playing great. Basically a home game for UCLA. Northwestern guards are impressive.
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What am I missing? 5-out dibble drive with an emphasis on 3's.
Picket taking 10 seconds backing down his defender every single time down the court. Boring.
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Hot take, Audige is better than Buie
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Cats are playing great. Basically a home game for UCLA. Northwestern guards are impressive.
Cronin refuses to let UCLA exploit it’s athleticism
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I know we want all the B14 teams to lose but it's hard to root against Northwestern in this one.
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Cronin refuses to let UCLA exploit it’s athleticism
Exciting game. Go Cats! Another alma mater of mine lol
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Hot take, Audige is better than Buie
Tonight, perhaps. Macro, no.
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Ughhhh. That looked horrible.
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Princeton walk ons in as they go to the sweet 16.
Let that one rattle around in the cranium for a bit.
They’re all walk ons.
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Ughhhh. That looked horrible.
Yeah, that was a broken ankle.
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I think they watched old film of Adrian Dantley to develop their offense.
I think AD unfairly gets a bad rap. There are seasons that he averaged almost 5 assists per game as a SMALL FORWARD. He led Utah to some great seasons. If you are looking for examples of guys that hogged the ball and did not pass from that era... watching film of Otis Birdsong, Bob McAdoo, or World B. Free would do the trick.Those guys were one-man shows and offensive spike strips for team ball movement.
Maybe Dantley gets a bad rap because he was a Small Forward who played with his back to the basket as an incredible post-up scorer. He was a decent passer at Notre Dame for Digger Phelps and during the middle of his career at Utah.
I think during his time in Detroit he was less of a passer, but that team had internal issues going on. Otherwise, I really enjoyed watching Dantley play basketball, especially in Utah. He was a special ballplayer.
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I think AD unfairly gets a bad rap. There are seasons that he averaged almost 5 assists per game as a SMALL FORWARD. He led Utah to some great seasons. If you are looking for examples of guys that hogged the ball and did not pass from that era... watching film of Otis Birdsong, Bob McAdoo, or World B. Free would do the trick.Those guys were one-man shows and offensive spike strips for team ball movement.
Maybe Dantley gets a bad rap because he was a Small Forward who played with his back to the basketball as an incredible post-up scorer. He was a decent passer at Notre Dame for Digger Phelps and during the middle of his career at Utah.
I think during his time in Detroit he was less of a passer, but that team had internal issues going on. Otherwise, I really enjoyed watching Dantley play basketball, especially in Utah. He was a special ballplayer.
I wasn’t trying to pick on AD, but Pickett’s back down style totally reminds me of him.
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I said before the tournament there wasn't a dominant team. But I couldn't have expected this....absolutely incredible!
Good for you.
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Why is this floor an ice rink?
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Hot take, Audige is better than Buie
Audige got hot and kinda pulled a Kam to get NW back in the game. But then he got cold, missed at least 4 in a row, and NW gets to watch the rest of the tourney from home.
I hope the UCLA kid will be OK, but that looked really bad.
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Am I the only one who rewound the Penn St-Texas game to get another look at the kid in the MU t shirt in Des Moines?
Funny I saw one the first night games!
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Do I have to root for Larranaga tonight because he plays a B14 team? What's the protocol? Ty.
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Yeah, that was a broken ankle.
Fortunately - and surprisingly- not.
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Do I have to root for Larranaga tonight because he plays a B14 team? What's the protocol? Ty.
If Xavier and Marquette get their business done, that game will pit the last of the ACC and last of the Big 10 against one another.
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If Xavier and Marquette get their business done, that game will pit the last of the ACC and last of the Big 10 against one another.
Ya....that too. I hope you're feeling better.
The word of the day is indefatigable. We must play with relentless energy and toughness. In games of this magnitude I always like to think of us as Blue Whales and our opponents as Krill. In other words own this game.
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Huge day for the BEast
W W W W ??
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Huge day for the BEast
W W W W ??
Only if Boum and Kunkel avoid getting into another fight.
Creighton is a one-point underdog per Mr. Nielsen's post. The other BE teams are favorites. MU 2.5.
A sweep would be nice, but my only real focus is MU/MSU.
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Only if Boum and Kunkel avoid getting into another fight.
Creighton is a one-point underdog per Mr. Nielsen's post. The other BE teams are favorites. MU 2.5.
A sweep would be nice, but my only real focus is MU/MSU.
Ya......I'm with you Scoop Snoop. I just rewatched Kam's barrage on Friday. Do people realize he scored those 18 consecutive points in 4 minutes and thirty-one seconds?
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Ya......I'm with you Scoop Snoop. I just rewatched Kam's barrage on Friday. Do people realize he scored those 18 consecutive points in 4 minutes and thirty-one seconds?
Kam was definitely the man. We need performance like that from Kam with good contributions from all of our guys in the Dance. Have to hope that F#$k Em is not hampered also, because we need him to aggressively attack, dish and score.
Stomp on Mr. Insubordination and put our feet on the collective throats of Izzo, the team and their lame mascot. (Wont mention that our dirty bird mascot is also lame.)
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I think Houston quietly made a statement last night. I'm not saying Auburn is great but to throttle that team in the 2H by 30, in Birmingham, shouldn't be overlooked. I still think it's wide open but Houston's best may be better than the rest of the field..
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Muggsy
Houston was awfully, awfully good in the second. They looked like men playing boys out there.
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I think Houston quietly made a statement last night. I'm not saying Auburn is great but to throttle that team in the 2H by 30, in Birmingham, shouldn't be overlooked. I still think it's wide open but Houston's best may be better than the rest of the field..
I've treated Houston with a "show me" attitude this season. They play in a mediocre conference and had trouble against several non-tourney teams. The notion of them being the best while fine teams from top conferences were waging wars 2-3 times a week didn't ring true to me.
But that was quite a second half yesterday -- they absolutely manhandled Auburn, and Pearl had absolutely no answer. If Houston plays like that for something approaching a full game against a quality opponent, it will be even more impressive. And yesterday WAS impressive.
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Muggsy
Houston was awfully, awfully good in the second. They looked like men playing boys out there.
Goose,
I thought their win was the most impressive of the 8 games yesterday. These drooling clowns can talk about Tennessee beating Duke but the fact remains that Duke did not impress me whatsoever. Princeton dominating Mizzou was also a virtuoso performance.
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Muggsy
Houston was off the charts. Arkansas and Princeton were great wins as well. Like the game today because it is MSU, I was hoping to play Duke because I thought they were overhyped.
This game cannot get started fast enough for me. Today is a big game, but even feels bigger than a usual second round game. Today MU can make a statement to a national audience.
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The top 5 Pomeroy defenses advanced yesterday to the Sweet 16.
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Muggsy
Houston was off the charts. Arkansas and Princeton were great wins as well. Like the game today because it is MSU, I was hoping to play Duke because I thought they were overhyped.
This game cannot get started fast enough for me. Today is a big game, but even feels bigger than a usual second round game. Today MU can make a statement to a national audience.
They’re far away the best team in the country. Best guard play, absolute beasts inside, fantastic defensive presence, unbelievable rebounding and one of/if not the best coach in the country.
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panda
I agree with Houston being the best and maybe the best coach. I love their defense and dream about MU having a similar defense down the road.
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Muggsy
Houston was off the charts. Arkansas and Princeton were great wins as well. Like the game today because it is MSU, I was hoping to play Duke because I thought they were overhyped.
This game cannot get started fast enough for me. Today is a big game, but even feels bigger than a usual second round game. Today MU can make a statement to a national audience.
Goose,
I've been up since 4! Worked out for about an hour and then tried reading but I'm a bit too amped right now. Maybe I'll snag a breakfast burrito or huevvos rancheros.
I think this winning this game and then heading to MSG would set us up perfectly. It's going to be difficult, in 2003 we needed OT to beat Mizzou, but this team has all the pieces imo.
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panda
I agree with Houston being the best and maybe the best coach. I love their defense and dream about MU having a similar defense down the road.
Sampson puts an actual lid on the rims during practice and runs rebounding drills. That’s an incredible mentality.
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Muggsy
Houston was off the charts.
Wholly Cow was Jim Nantz a Homer.
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Goose,
I've been up since 4! Worked out for about an hour and then tried reading but I'm a bit too amped right now. Maybe I'll snag a breakfast burrito or huevvos rancheros.
I think this winning this game and then heading to MSG would set us up perfectly. It's going to be difficult, in 2003 we needed OT to beat Mizzou, but this team has all the pieces imo.
Love the energy Muggs. I am looking for a big punch first for Shaka and the team not unlike the X game at MSG. I'm not sure they've seen cuts like our offense. Think they may try and have Sissko stay at home at the start (like Creighton did with Kalk) but we know how to deal with that.
Should be fun. Obviously hoping for a win.
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Wholly Cow was Jim Nantz a Homer.
DB2,
Outside of golf I've never been much of a fan. I'm looking forward to Ian Iagle taking over. As for the other NCAA announcers? I'm kind of meh after Eagle/Spanarkel, Brian Anderson, and Kevin Harlan. Obviously Rafferty is a living legend but I don't care for Grant Hill. Dedes is a pretty good play by play guy. Lappas just bothers me DB2 and again, why is Stan Van Gundy a game analyst? Catalon isn't bad I guess.
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When you quote someone, why do you also have to address your post to them?
I ask merely for information.
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When you quote someone, why do you also have to address your post to them?
I ask merely for information.
Who did I quote?
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Who did I quote?
Simply look at the post above mine, and many, many others.
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Bama was pretty damn impressive in its win over Maryland, too. Along with Houston, two #1 seeds asserting themselves after 2+ days of craziness.
I think I heard on CBS that it's the 6th straight year the defending champion didn't make it out of the first weekend ... and that's crazy, too!
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I think I heard on CBS that it's the 6th straight year the defending champion didn't make it out of the first weekend ... and that's crazy, too!
MU doesn't have to worry about that until next year.
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DB2,
Outside of golf I've never been much of a fan. I'm looking forward to Ian Iagle taking over. As for the other NCAA announcers? I'm kind of meh after Eagle/Spanarkel, Brian Anderson, and Kevin Harlan. Obviously Rafferty is a living legend but I don't care for Grant Hill. Dedes is a pretty good play by play guy. Lappas just bothers me DB2 and again, why is Stan Van Gundy a game analyst? Catalon isn't bad I guess.
I agree with everything you say. However, you forgot the one announcer who has been my favorite of the tournament and that is Brad Nessler. I think he is perfect. His voice and personality are strong, but understated at the same time. He is knowledgeable and his voice can add excitement to the game as he knows how to ebb and flow. He also has the rare gift of knowing when to stay quiet. Most of all he is very humble and I love that about him. He is a rare treat and I really look forward to games that Nessler announces in any sport.
I wish he would get more high profile work. But I'll live.
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When you quote someone, why do you also have to address your post to them?
I ask merely for information.
(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRls32qXF4bAThveWB90iC8MhROUpCM__u-71fSlCui7A&s)
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MU doesn't have to worry about that until next year.
I know your sister Rebecca professionally. She's a very nice lady.
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Bama was pretty damn impressive in its win over Maryland, too. Along with Houston, two #1 seeds asserting themselves after 2+ days of craziness.
I think I heard on CBS that it's the 6th straight year the defending champion didn't make it out of the first weekend ... and that's crazy, too!
That’s bad news for MU next year
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Simply look at the post above mine, and many, many others.
Oh...fair enough. I didn't think it was a big deal.
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Oh...fair enough. I didn't think it was a big deal.
Muggs,
It ain't a big deal. The fact of the matter is that you sometimes have direct conversations on here that happen to be public and sometimes you have discussions that include everybody.
I like your style Muggs, do what you like to do.
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ESPN Gameday crew just torched the officials from the Duke/Tennessee game. 😳
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Goose,
I've been up since 4! Worked out for about an hour and then tried reading but I'm a bit too amped right now. Maybe I'll snag a breakfast burrito or huevvos rancheros.
I think this winning this game and then heading to MSG would set us up perfectly. It's going to be difficult, in 2003 we needed OT to beat Mizzou, but this team has all the pieces imo.
Agree Muggs. We can win this game. Still, an Izzo team in the NCAA makes me nervous. They are always dangerous. We will have to play a solid game to take them out.
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X looking really good. Boum has been off the floor for a bit and their offensive flow looks so much better.
Miller really just needs to run the offense through Jones instead of Boum.
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Agree Muggs. We can win this game. Still, an Izzo team in the NCAA makes me nervous. They are always dangerous. We will have to play a solid game to take them out.
Yes. They're not giving us anything. If we play a solid game I feel very good about our chances.
XU off to a good start.
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X looking really good. Boum has been off the floor for a big and their offensive flow looks so much better.
Miller really just needs to run the offense through Jones instead of Boum.
I don’t think Boum was ready for the grind of the big east season. He definitely faded at end of games and seems to have faded late in season. Luckily X has a lot of other weapons stepping up.
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Refs doing a good job at producing another unwatchable game after Hou-Aub last night.
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Refs doing a good job at producing another unwatchable game after Hou-Aub last night.
I think it’s actually had a pretty good flow so far.
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Pitt used to have cool unis. What the H happened?
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Pitt used to have cool unis. What the H happened?
Superstition - they’ve worn these all three tournament games.
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I think it’s actually had a pretty good flow so far.
You’re right. I was triggered by the quick rebounding - then screening foul.
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Trying not to covet thy neighbor's NCAA tournament pods, but man it would have been nice to have Kennesaw State and Pitt on the first weekend!
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ESPN Gameday crew just torched the officials from the Duke/Tennessee game. 😳
Of course. ESWPN runs Duke/ACC
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Trying not to covet thy neighbor's NCAA tournament pods, but man it would have been nice to have Kennesaw State and Pitt on the first weekend!
True.
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Of course. ESWPN runs Duke/ACC
Lol. Did they torch the refs for not calling Roach's obvious 5th foul?
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Kunkel on fire. The slo mo of him after his last 3, you could see him uttering "sic semper tyrannis"
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I really like Kunkel. That whole Xavier seems to really respect MU so I am pulling for them.
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Can you imagine if the Panthers played at New Mexico? Man, that would be the pits.
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I really like Kunkel. That whole Xavier seems to really respect MU so I am pulling for them.
Boum has not been on fire.
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Boum has not been on fire.
He seems a bit disconnected from the rest of the team. They look very tough overall though.
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Boum has not been on fire.
Boum has gone bust for a while now. Will need to figure it out if X wants to keep going.
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Boum has gone bust for a while now. Will need to figure it out if X wants to keep going.
Was it his 33 points against providence, 23 against Creighton or 17 against Kennesaw that leads you to that conclusion ?
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Boum has gone bust for a while now. Will need to figure it out if X wants to keep going.
I love good puns.
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Kunkel on fire. The slo mo of him after his last 3, you could see him uttering "sic semper tyrannis"
"Dearest Marjorie,
I say with great earnestness that this morning we engaged the damn Yanks on the field of battle at dawn and routed the yellow dog cowards. General Ewell formed us up five deep, and with fire in our eyes we gave them a Rebel Yell and charged headlong, fearing neither death nor lassitude. Though having only one hardtack biscuit the last three days upon which to dine, we nonetheless drove the Yankee Aggressors from Greensboro in a sheet of flame and glory. Even my manservant Souley could not but remark on my excellent musketry.
-- Forever yours in honor, Pvt. Kunkel, 54th Alabama"
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Creighton a 1-point favorite over Baylor? Interesting.
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Truthfully Pitt looks absolutely awful. Makes you realize how bad Iowa St. must have been on Friday.
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Jeff Capel is not happy.
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Xavier struggling to put this one away
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Sporting News today-
Pin it up the locker room, secure the shoulder chip, and take it to ‘em, guys.
No. 2 Marquette (-2.5) vs. No. 7 Michigan State (East)
Michigan State shut down USC's Boogie Ellis in the first round. Can the Spartans' guards do the same to Kameron Jones, who scored 19 points on 7 of 9 shooting in the first round? The Golden Eagles are 4-1 ATS when favored by three points or less. Michigan is 0-2 ATS as an underdog of three points or less. This is a tough call, but the Spartans were comfortable in Columbus on Friday. Izzo does that.
Pick: Michigan State wins 68-64 in an UPSET.
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Sporting News today-
Pin it up the locker room, secure the shoulder chip, and take it to ‘em, guys.
No. 2 Marquette (-2.5) vs. No. 7 Michigan State (East)
Michigan State shut down USC's Boogie Ellis in the first round. Can the Spartans' guards do the same to Kameron Jones, who scored 19 points on 7 of 9 shooting in the first round? The Golden Eagles are 4-1 ATS when favored by three points or less. Michigan is 0-2 ATS as an underdog of three points or less. This is a tough call, but the Spartans were comfortable in Columbus on Friday. Izzo does that.
Pick: Michigan State wins 68-64 in an UPSET.
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I don't like it, but I get it. Izzo has earned a lot of respect with his record in the touney.
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Any cheering interest between kstate and Kentucky? We would play the winner if we get by Michigan state.
I feel like we would be better off with Kentucky and that it’s just the name on the jersey that’s making people hope for Kansas state.
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I think Kentucky would be a better choice, but both would be a challenge.
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Just saw the ESPN headline that says that X avoided the upset and reached the Elite Eight…lol
I screenshot it.
Hope they do…
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Kentuckys big man would be an absolute handful for marquette
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I always want Kentucky to lose
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I always love Kentucky losing to MU in March.
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Tshiebwe is a problem
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I think Kentucky would be a better choice, but both would be a challenge.
I tend to agree. Would be a more classic matchup also at the Garden so that is who I’d prefer to play just based on that alone. They both present different challenges.
(Obligatory non jinx comment: if MU plays well enough to win today)
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Not exactly an impressive start for either team. I think I'd rather play Kavsas St if we win today.
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I always want Kentucky to lose
Yes - but neither team looking like a giant killer
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I think Kentucky would be a better choice, but both would be a challenge.
I agree with this analysis...and to make the Final Four, likely having to play through Tennessee is also a fairly tough draw as it relates to physicality of teams.
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I am guessing NLW is pulling for Kentucky.
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The KSU purple and lilac jerseys are sweet!
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Nowell has freaking jets.
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That was a fun :20!
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K.State 0-12 from distance.
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Tshiebwe is a problem
Should have gone to the league. Dammit.
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I don't like it, but I get it. Izzo has earned a lot of respect with his record in the touney.
In the last 8 years, since the 2015 F4 team that was true Izzo March wizardry, MSU has only made the second weekend once, and that was the the 2019 team that had 3 NBA players and a senior defensive leader and was a top 5 team.
It’s still Izzo and that’s to be respected and feared, but it’s not the kind of Izzo team that you’re like “watch out for MSU in March!”
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That’s a way to end a half.
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What a run from Nowell to end the half.
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That was a bit Muggsyesque from Nowell. Not exactly an easy guy to trap.
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Should have gone to the league. Dammit.
Yes, these teams that couldn't score 30 pts in a half strike the fear of god into me. We might as well just forfeit
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(https://i.imgflip.com/2yhwq5.jpg)
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K.State 0-12 from distance.
This is why I’d prefer Kentucky to win if we take care of business, less of a 3 point shooting threat and you usually don’t see a team cold from 3 two games in a row.
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Will Tshiebwe get called for 3 seconds at least once? He literally gets into the lane and never leaves.
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Turnover on 5 straight possessions isn’t going to help kstate win
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Just saw the ESPN headline that says that X avoided the upset and reached the Elite Eight…lol
I screenshot it.
Hope they do…
Ha. What is it with ESPN and Pitt? Last week the headline was "Miami Upset Pitt"; Miami was higher ranked, at home and a 6 point favorite. :o
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Please God don't let this game go to overtime.
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Ha. What is it with ESPN and Pitt? Last week the headline was "Miami Upset Pitt"; Miami was higher ranked, at home and a 6 point favorite. :o
Pitt coached by Capel…Capel is a Duke alum and longtime Coach K assistant. BOOM DUKE BIAS
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Man, I wish Ian Eagle was calling our game.
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Man, I wish Ian Eagle was calling our game.
He's the best and by a wide margin.
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Kentucky must have 20 offensive rebs.
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Is there a worse school color scheme than K State?
Is it 4:20 central time yet?
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Did Nowell just do that at the Kentucky bench?
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It turned into a heck of a game. Nowell may have to win this by himself?
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Did Nowell just do that at the Kentucky bench?
Must’ve thought he was playing Alabama. 👀
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Not a good celebration move
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Wow. Kentucky is in shock.
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Wow. Kentucky is in shock.
Two dagger threes - wow!
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Would very much prefer a Kentucky win.
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Would very much prefer a Kentucky win.
It's not happening.
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I prefer K-State. Want nothing to do with #34 on Kentucky
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I prefer K-State. Want nothing to do with #34 on Kentucky
Nowell is a handful. Just a terrific performance from the young man.
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Imagine thinking Tshiebwe is a good matchup for us
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Always nice to see Kentucky lose early in the tournament.
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Always nice to see Kentucky lose early in the tournament.
And Duke…and Kansas….
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Always nice to see Kentucky lose early in the tournament.
Kentucky
Duke
Kansas
Buh-Bye
And of course UNC didn't make the tournament. :)
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And Duke…and Kansas….
Blue bloods in name only.
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Always a good day when Kentucky loses.
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Imagine thinking Tshiebwe is a good matchup for us
That would have been ugly. Don’t matter now
Glad KS won.
Toppin and Reeves shot 1 for 21 and don’t think that would have happened next game.
Hope MU can beat a 7 seed. Would like to see Mitchell/S Jones on Nowell.
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UCONN' not looking good early.
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Baylor is a bad defensive team
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How many shoes have come off today?
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IU going down. Missed on that one.
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Won a +560 parlay on that TCU shot. Other two legs were Creighton and UConn. Absurd finish.
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I am absolutely rolling at this question posed by ZoneMadison.
https://twitter.com/ZoneMadison/status/1638498995113689088?t=iN-DWZI3hj2gFNcCNgIbFQ&s=19
Would you rather
1) Be bounced in the 2nd round of the NCAA Tournament
2) Make the Final Four of the NIT
These people are gigantic idiots over there.
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They can't stop thinking about us I guess.
Hang a banner, Bucky.
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I am absolutely rolling at this question posed by ZoneMadison.
https://twitter.com/ZoneMadison/status/1638498995113689088?t=iN-DWZI3hj2gFNcCNgIbFQ&s=19
Would you rather
1) Be bounced in the 2nd round of the NCAA Tournament
2) Make the Final Four of the NIT
These people are gigantic idiots over there.
Is this supposed to be a comedy skit?
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I am absolutely rolling at this question posed by ZoneMadison.
https://twitter.com/ZoneMadison/status/1638498995113689088?t=iN-DWZI3hj2gFNcCNgIbFQ&s=19
Would you rather
1) Be bounced in the 2nd round of the NCAA Tournament
2) Make the Final Four of the NIT
These people are gigantic idiots over there.
My favorite reply:
Based on the crowd on State St last evening to watch the game, it is clear most could care less that the Badgers are in the NIT. Walked the entire street and the establishments were empty. There were 6 of us watching at State St Brat.
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I am absolutely rolling at this question posed by ZoneMadison.
https://twitter.com/ZoneMadison/status/1638498995113689088?t=iN-DWZI3hj2gFNcCNgIbFQ&s=19
Would you rather
1) Be bounced in the 2nd round of the NCAA Tournament
2) Make the Final Four of the NIT
These people are gigantic idiots over there.
there was a time when winning the NIT was great…like when we won it! But, by the mid 80’s or so, the NIT really dropped off. Even when we made the NIT finals under Deane (lost in OT to VaTech), it was a let down. Now? It’s a consolation prize, at best. I still hate that RED is alive (I probably want them to lose more than UW schlubs want to win), but the NIT is definitely chump change these days. In fact, I’m hearing the tourney might go away soon altogether.
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https://twitter.com/GoodmanHoops/status/1638651600414846976?s=20 (https://twitter.com/GoodmanHoops/status/1638651600414846976?s=20)
Possible that over-inflated/new basketballs played a roll in any of our TOs against MSU?
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https://twitter.com/GoodmanHoops/status/1638651600414846976?s=20 (https://twitter.com/GoodmanHoops/status/1638651600414846976?s=20)
Possible that over-inflated/new basketballs played a roll in any of our TOs against MSU?
I can't speak on the turnovers but I can certainly say they were "different" and impacted some things.
https://twitter.com/PMTsportsbiz/status/1637827798533382144?t=sULZO5pYbxuFhNGLuJLbHQ&s=19
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https://twitter.com/GoodmanHoops/status/1638651600414846976?s=20 (https://twitter.com/GoodmanHoops/status/1638651600414846976?s=20)
Possible that over-inflated/new basketballs played a roll in any of our TOs against MSU?
Nope - Izzo in march
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UConn apparently didn’t enjoy their time at the Luxor.
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Nope - Izzo in march
He had nothing to do with the win.
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I can't speak on the turnovers but I can certainly say they were "different" and impacted some things.
https://twitter.com/PMTsportsbiz/status/1637827798533382144?t=sULZO5pYbxuFhNGLuJLbHQ&s=19
They did the same damn thing with the ball last year. I can’t say how it impacted ball handling, but it definitely affected the shooting as it bounced differently off the rim. Not sure what the NCAA was thinking, but I’m sure money was involved in their decision.
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He had nothing to do with the win.
100% correct.
0.000000000%
People need to stop being hoodwinked and manipulated.
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I mean, if you really think the team can't adjust to a "new" ball as fast as other teams do, then we should clean house now.
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100% correct.
0.000000000%
People need to stop being hoodwinked and manipulated.
Oh boy. It was inflategate.
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He had nothing to do with the win.
He was the one over inflating the balls. A reverse deflate gate if you will
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Marquette waa a F4 team if they played near their A game. I couldn't give a flying f what anybody else thinks. And we'll be back stronger than ever and redeem ourselves. Izzo can go F himself as well. Total piece of garbage.
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Marquette waa a F4 team if they played near their A game. I couldn't give a flying f what anybody else thinks. And we'll be back stronger than ever and redeem ourselves. Izzo can go F himself as well. Total piece of garbage.
My dislike of Izzo isn’t quite that high, but this is spot on.
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Marquette waa a F4 team if they played near their A game. I couldn't give a flying f what anybody else thinks. And we'll be back stronger than ever and redeem ourselves. Izzo can go F himself as well. Total piece of garbage.
They didn’t play their A game…….there are several reasons for that. Whether you like those reasons or not doesn’t mean they aren’t responsible.
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They didn’t play their A game…….there are several reasons for that. Whether you like those reasons or not doesn’t mean they aren’t responsible.
Of course we are responsible. I never shirk personal responsibility and that's why I'm still angry.
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I put it at 50% MSU defense, 40% Kolek's thumb, 10% nerves.
Credit where it is due.
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I put it at 50% MSU defense, 40% Kolek's thumb, 10% nerves.
Credit where it is due.
More like 10% MSU defense and 90% self-inflicted turns and terrible basketball which was a combination of nerves and TyKo's difficulties. It's not like Michigan State played all that well either. We played among the worst halves in the history of basketball and trailed by 5 after 20 mins. They scouted TyKo no differently than the best teams in the BEast and were not among the best defensive teams this season. This was primarily a self-inflicted disaster and was not emblematic at all of the team we saw dominate the BEast conf.
MIchigan State was 2-16 from diatance and yet won the game . The turns and fouls, turns which we hadn't committed all year, were the freaking story and do not tell me they were forced. They're weren't. Fk Izzo. He had nothing to do with our issues and is an assclown scumbag.
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Completely disagree on every level. So be it. I know you won't change my mind and I doubt I will change yours.
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One thing this tournament has highlighted is how advancing can depend as much on matchups and some good fortune as landing a high seed.
Xavier with its 3 seed got a much more favorable second round matchup than MU, in part because of Pitt knocking off Iowa State.
Creighton got past Baylor and now only has a 15 seed standing in its path to the Elite 8 instead of 2 seed Arizona. MU would have had a much tougher third round game against Kansas State.
MSU’s physical style might have been a worse matchup for MU than some of the other 7 seeds or 6 seeds.
Then throw in Kolek’s injury and MU’s chances of advancing took a hit.
All reasons why I hate to give the March crapshoot so much weight in evaluating a team or conference.
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I am absolutely rolling at this question posed by ZoneMadison.
https://twitter.com/ZoneMadison/status/1638498995113689088?t=iN-DWZI3hj2gFNcCNgIbFQ&s=19
Would you rather
1) Be bounced in the 2nd round of the NCAA Tournament
2) Make the Final Four of the NIT
These people are gigantic idiots over there.
What can you expect from a fanbase that values winning the Weedeater Bowl over losing in the football playoffs?
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One thing this tournament has highlighted is how advancing can depend as much on matchups and some good fortune as landing a high seed.
Xavier with its 3 seed got a much more favorable second round matchup than MU, in part because of Pitt knocking off Iowa State.
Creighton got past Baylor and now only has a 15 seed standing in its path to the Elite 8 instead of 2 seed Arizona. MU would have had a much tougher third round game against Kansas State.
MSU’s physical style might have been a worse matchup for MU than some of the other 7 seeds or 6 seeds.
Then throw in Kolek’s injury and MU’s chances of advancing took a hit.
All reasons why I hate to give the March crapshoot so much weight in evaluating a team or conference.
And this is why, when looking back at the season, I'm happy we won the conference title and the tournament title. Sure, some of those games (home to X, @ CU, UConn @ MSG) could have really gone either way too, but the whole season doesn't come down to one off night or one coin flip game or weird turnover or hot shooting night from an opponent. March is a crapshoot. There's only so much you can take away from one loss.
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Of course we are responsible. I never shirk personal responsibility and that's why I'm still angry.
I am with you Muggsy. Pissed off about a wasted opportunity, which may not be there next year. So many reasons to be pissed; MU better than MSU; 3 BEast teams still dancing but not us. Couple of things really need to be looked at. Heard a stat that Shaka has lost 9 0f last 10 NCAA tourney games? Yikes. Past season, Shaka 0-3 against Big 10 teams. These are 2 things that must be addressed quickly. Dont believe current roster is built well for post season. Need a couple of banging bigs to help out.
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I am with you Muggsy. Pissed off about a wasted opportunity, which may not be there next year. So many reasons to be pissed; MU better than MSU; 3 BEast teams still dancing but not us. Couple of things really need to be looked at. Heard a stat that Shaka has lost 9 0f last 10 NCAA tourney games? Yikes. Past season, Shaka 0-3 against Big 10 teams. These are 2 things that must be addressed quickly. Dont believe current roster is built well for post season. Need a couple of banging bigs to help out.
There’s a couple of good points here. The Big Ten builds their teams for tournament success. Marquette should copy that formula.
Also, if we look at the Sweet 16, what do we see? Teams with dominant big men, aircraft carriers, if you will. One thing we’ve learned about the modern game is, big men anchor your offenses and defenses. Houston and Gonzaga have made 4 straight Sweet 16’s on the backs of their banging bigs.
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The Big 10 may build their teams for tourney success but only 1 of their 9 teams remain while 3 of the 5 Big East teams remain.
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There’s a couple of good points here. The Big Ten builds their teams for tournament success. Marquette should copy that formula.
Also, if we look at the Sweet 16, what do we see? Teams with dominant big men, aircraft carriers, if you will. One thing we’ve learned about the modern game is, big men anchor your offenses and defenses. Houston and Gonzaga have made 4 straight Sweet 16’s on the backs of their banging bigs.
Did your printer run out of teal ink?
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Did your printer run out of teal ink?
Shaka needs to figure it out
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And this is why, when looking back at the season, I'm happy we won the conference title and the tournament title. Sure, some of those games (home to X, @ CU, UConn @ MSG) could have really gone either way too, but the whole season doesn't come down to one off night or one coin flip game or weird turnover or hot shooting night from an opponent. March is a crapshoot. There's only so much you can take away from one loss.
I said, and even stressed this at the time.
It was because I knew that for this season there was 1 main goal- win a single game in the NCAA tournament.
However, as Marquette started to quickly form an elite, young/inexperienced team, it became obvious that a regular season conference championship would make the year a resounding success, no matter how it ended. The conference tourney double was a huge cherry on top.
All great things come to an end.
That win at home versus Xavier followed up by the road win at Creighton that led us to that Conference Championship in Shakas second season will never be forgotten.
Neither will the loss to MSU.
The regular season and conference titles, as well as winning that first game in the NCAAt, ensured that this season was a resounding success.
Now, on to new challenges because as we all know, there is no finish line.
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Correct. Izzo does not have an aircraft carrier and he is.the only Big 10 coach in the second weekend. Athletic, versatile guards with size are the key, IMO.
For fun, off the tops of your heads, name the last three Big 10 coaches to win national championships.
After you figure it out, perhaps you will understand why you can't use the Big 10 as a model to win championships.
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Correct. Izzo does not have an aircraft carrier and he is.the only Big 10 coach in the second weekend. Athletic, versatile guards with size are the key, IMO.
For fun, off the tops of your heads, name the last three Big 10 coaches to win national championships.
After you figure it out, perhaps you will understand why you can't use the Big 10 as a model to win championships.
Izzo, Fisher & Knight
All those teams were built inside out. Dominant front courts with bruising bigs. Get with it, Tower
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Izzo, Fisher & Knight
All those teams were built inside out. Dominant front courts with bruising bigs. Get with it, Tower
Do they get to count Gary Williams now?
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Do they get to count Gary Williams now?
That’s another good example of a coach who won a national championship with bruising bigs.
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It took me a second to figure out the angle of this bit, Rico, but I have it now.
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Of course we are responsible. I never shirk personal responsibility and that's why I'm still angry.
yo mugs, i'm still licking my wounds. we just picked a bad day to play one of our worst games of the year. we played so well over the past couple months...even when we stumbled a little, we won. sometimes a team needs to bruise themselves up a little bit right before the big dance, but we used/needed all of that positive energy to jump to #2 seed. lose a game or so leading up to the BE, finishing 2nd or 3rd? getting a 3-4 seed in the dance? who knows? sometimes those late losses puts the chip back on the shoulders, reminds us of the infamous 9th place and re-energize the F'em attitude. i remember 1977 and almost blowing it getting into the damn thing.
now i hope all of our returning guys have long long memories and the wounds from friday march 17, 2023 haven't quite healed yet only to become a war wound for next year
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Rest up for November rocket surgeon.
That Maui field isn’t for the faint at heart
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It took me a second to figure out the angle of this bit, Rico, but I have it now.
Marquette went 0-3 against the Big Ten. We’ll never win the Big Ten that way
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Correct. Izzo does not have an aircraft carrier and he is.the only Big 10 coach in the second weekend. Athletic, versatile guards with size are the key, IMO.
For fun, off the tops of your heads, name the last three Big 10 coaches to win national championships.
After you figure it out, perhaps you will understand why you can't use the Big 10 as a model to win championships.
Tower, I respect you but your analysis is absurd. I encourage you to watch the tape. Watch our possessions once we took a 3pt lead in the 2nd half. Watch the 10 turnovers we had in particular, I believe in like 14 possessions. Are you honestly going to tell me Izzo and some fking scheme had something to do with that stretch of basketball? That they played differently in the first 5 mins of the 2H but then Izzo magically took momentum from us with some genius plan??? Please. Cut the absolute nonsense and simply watch what happened. We had every opportunity to take control of the gane and laid an ostrich egg. Period.
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I am with you Muggsy. Pissed off about a wasted opportunity, which may not be there next year. So many reasons to be pissed; MU better than MSU; 3 BEast teams still dancing but not us. Couple of things really need to be looked at. Heard a stat that Shaka has lost 9 0f last 10 NCAA tourney games? Yikes. Past season, Shaka 0-3 against Big 10 teams. These are 2 things that must be addressed quickly. Dont believe current roster is built well for post season. Need a couple of banging bigs to help out.
Zach Edey says hi.
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It took me a second to figure out the angle of this bit, Rico, but I have it now.
Just assume he is never serious and you're good to go.
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Just assume he is never serious and you're good to go.
Listen, Al McGuire said aircraft carrier once
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Listen, Al McGuire said aircraft carrier once
I’ll take the blue plate specials please.
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I am with you Muggsy. Pissed off about a wasted opportunity, which may not be there next year. So many reasons to be pissed; MU better than MSU; 3 BEast teams still dancing but not us. Couple of things really need to be looked at. Heard a stat that Shaka has lost 9 0f last 10 NCAA tourney games? Yikes. Past season, Shaka 0-3 against Big 10 teams. These are 2 things that must be addressed quickly. Dont believe current roster is built well for post season. Need a couple of banging bigs to help out.
Willie, I can't control if people want to live in la-la-land. I'm obviously a MU Homer and have my biases. This was the most enjoyable MU hoops season in 20 years, they were pure joy to watch. I fully expect us to rebound and come back stronger. But we have to be honest about what actually happened on tbe floor. This team was so much better than what we witnessed, beat themselves, and it can't be denied. It's just a fact, not an excuse at all.
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Tower, I respect you but your analysis is absurd. I encourage you to watch the tape. Watch our possessions once we took a 3pt lead in the 2nd half. Watch the 10 turnovers we had in particular, I believe in like 14 possessions. Are you honestly going to tell me Izzo and some fking scheme had something to do with that stretch of basketball? That they played differently in the first 5 mins of the 2H but then Izzo magically took momentum from us with some genius plan??? Please. Cut the absolute nonsense and simply watch what happened. We had every opportunity to take control of the gane and laid an ostrich egg. Period.
Michigan State played good defense. They followed the game plan. Two things about the game can be true. Was it some incredible game plan? No. But it was executed
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There’s a couple of good points here. The Big Ten builds their teams for tournament success. Marquette should copy that formula.
Also, if we look at the Sweet 16, what do we see? Teams with dominant big men, aircraft carriers, if you will. One thing we’ve learned about the modern game is, big men anchor your offenses and defenses. Houston and Gonzaga have made 4 straight Sweet 16’s on the backs of their banging bigs.
Get ready for a whoosing sound
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Michigan State played good defense. They followed the game plan. Two things about the game can be true. Was it some incredible game plan? No. But it was executed
Other teams during the course of our 19 wins in 21 games played good defense. I never said they didn't defend well. What I am saying is our ineptitude was primarily self-inflicted. The tape doesn’t lie. Watch the stretch after we went up 3 in the 2H. And had like 6 possessions to extend it. That was the game and we all know this is where we crapped the bed. This is much, much, different than being outplayed and the main reason why it's so frustrating and upsetting. Again, Mich St. couldn't make an open three.
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Other teams during the course of our 19 wins in 21 games played good defense. I never said they didn't defend well. What I am saying is our ineptitude was primarily self-inflicted. The tape doesn’t lie. Watch the stretch after we went up 3 in the 2H. And had like 6 possessions to extend it. That was the game and we all know this is where we crapped the bed. This is much, much, different than being outplayed and the main reason why it's so frustrating and upsetting. Again, Mich St. couldn't make an open three.
I’m not disagreeing
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All I know now is that it’s gonna suck seeing the Fighting Joeys take the floor at 5:30 tonite - definitely should’ve been us.
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Tower, I respect you but your analysis is absurd. I encourage you to watch the tape. Watch our possessions once we took a 3pt lead in the 2nd half. Watch the 10 turnovers we had in particular, I believe in like 14 possessions. Are you honestly going to tell me Izzo and some fking scheme had something to do with that stretch of basketball? That they played differently in the first 5 mins of the 2H but then Izzo magically took momentum from us with some genius plan??? Please. Cut the absolute nonsense and simply watch what happened. We had every opportunity to take control of the gane and laid an ostrich egg. Period.
You need a gummy, Zigs, you got him?
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You need a gummy, Zigs, you got him?
hardy, no matta what they say about you, that was a good one! damn you anyway ;D yeah, zig, get me 2, they're small eyn'a?
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Tower, I respect you but your analysis is absurd. I encourage you to watch the tape. Watch our possessions once we took a 3pt lead in the 2nd half. Watch the 10 turnovers we had in particular, I believe in like 14 possessions. Are you honestly going to tell me Izzo and some fking scheme had something to do with that stretch of basketball? That they played differently in the first 5 mins of the 2H but then Izzo magically took momentum from us with some genius plan??? Please. Cut the absolute nonsense and simply watch what happened. We had every opportunity to take control of the gane and laid an ostrich egg. Period.
I already have. It reinforced my opinion. Perhaps we are suffering confirmation bias. I stand with Shaka's and Izzo's post-game pressers assessments.
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Rest up for November rocket surgeon.
That Maui field isn’t for the faint at heart
those small packed gyms contain a lot of nervous energy. this past season was a good workout. plus we will be a year older and who knows what additions we may or may not have, but whenever ya look down the bench and see that little guy with the better than average size bugle...don't bet against them
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Yes, March is a partial crapshoot. Yes, we probably caught an underseeded team. So, what?!
I will love it if we beat some 7 or 10 next year whose fanbase says, “Marquette should’ve been the overall #1 and instead we drew them as an underseeded first #2.
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I already have. It reinforced my opinion. Perhaps we are suffering confirmation bias. I stand with Shaka's and Izzo's post-game pressers assessments.
Im unclear why Izzo showed up for pre-MU game or the game itself…….he had absolutely zero impact on the game.
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The one thing that will make Marquette's team better next year is that some Scoopers are really really pissed.
If that doesn't motivate the team, nothing will.
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Surprised how many Kansas State fans are here at MSG tonight. They’re loud too.
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Florida Atlantic will beat Tennessee.
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Surprised how many Kansas State fans are here at MSG tonight. They’re loud too.
Underrated, solid fanbase
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The one thing that will make Marquette's team better next year is that some Scoopers are really really pissed.
If that doesn't motivate the team, nothing will.
I haven't even gotten to 25% of my PWL (Power Wrath Level).
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Florida Atlantic will beat Tennessee.
I haven’t seen a single FAU fan today, not walking around the city, none in the arena.
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I haven’t seen a single FAU fan today, not walking around the city, none in the arena.
I'm not sure I even know where it is ...I assume it's in Florida near the Atlantic.
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Who ya got tonight:
KSU
FAU
UCONN
UCLA
?
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Who ya got tonight:
KSU
FAU
UCONN
UCLA
?
Tonight:
KSU
Tennessee
Arkansas
Gonzaga
Tomorrow:
Houston
Creighton
Alabama
Texas
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UConn complaining about their accommodations in Vegas.
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Tonight:
KSU
Tennessee
Arkansas
Gonzaga
Tomorrow:
Houston
Creighton
Alabama
Texas
Are you anti 🦉? WTF? :)
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Michigan State
UConn
Tennessee
UCLA
Excited for UConn-Hogs and Zags-Bruins
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Who covers the cost of travel, hotels, food, etc for teams in the tournament? NCAA or school itself?
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Are you anti 🦉? WTF? :)
Haha. Tennessee is the most physical team in the tournament because they have to be. Don't know that the owls have seen that yet. All depends on what the officials decide is a foul tonight too.
Could go 1 of 2 ways.
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UConn complaining about their accommodations in Vegas.
I mentioned that yesterday that they didn’t apparently like the Luxor (I don’t blame them though).
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Haha. Tennessee is the most physical team in the tournament because they have to be. Don't know that the owls have seen that yet. All depends on what the officials decide is a foul tonight too.
Could go 1 of 2 ways.
Fair enough. Although 🦉 🦉 🦉 are cool as F of course.
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Noel for KSU is delivering some crazy perfect TKO-like passes right now.
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Nowell is absolutely carving up the Spartan defense so far.....7 assists already for the K St PG
This doesn't look like the Michigan State defense I saw on Sunday...they look slow, not getting in passing lanes for deflections
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Noel for KSU is delivering some crazy perfect TKO-like passes right now.
Kolek/Nowell is the matchup the fans wanted and deserved.
Couldn't hold up our end of the bargain.
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Nowell is absolutely carving up the Spartan defense so far.....7 assists already for the K St PG
This doesn't look like the Michigan State defense I saw on Sunday...they look slow, not getting in passing lanes for deflections
What happened to Izzo in march? The masterful gameplan to keep a pass first point guard out of the lane and make Kolek uncomfortable spreading the floor ?
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Izzo is so mad, he’s not sure if he’ll blame cell phones or instaphoto at half
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K-State good
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What happened to Izzo in march? The masterful gameplan to keep a pass first point guard out of the lane and make Kolek uncomfortable spreading the floor ?
He was just waiting until halftime to make those adjustments cuz he’s so smart and all of that.
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Wow.....Nowell with 10 dimes?
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What happened to Izzo in march? The masterful gameplan to keep a pass first point guard out of the lane and make Kolek uncomfortable spreading the floor ?
As you know Panda I never bought that. MSU can still win but I don't get the Izzo comments at all.
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UConn has gone plaid
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Meanwhile.....UCONN is unloading on Ark. Wow.
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UConn has gone plaid
Thought Ark would put up a better fight.
Gonzaga/UConn would be an interesting matchup. Same with UCLA but Timme/Sanogo would be cool.
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Such a shame we sh*t the bed. Crazy to think we’re not in this group of 16
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Bet on UConn and KSU. UConn making it look easy so far but it’s early.
KSU-MSU has been a ton of fun. If either team cools off the other probably wins. Lots of good looks both ways.
Leaning UCLA. No feel on the Tenn/FAU game but I guess I’d lean Tennessee.
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Uconn can easily win it all. They are damn good when in form. Some weird mid season slumps made them a 4 seed
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UConn taking Arkansas to the woodshed.
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Meanwhile.....UCONN is unloading on Ark. Wow.
They have everything you need to make a deep run. Even though MU won the conference, I think UCONN was the better team this year. Our game against them at MSG was the best game we played all year and probably skewed all of our expectations when it came to the NCAA tournament. Arkansas doesn’t look like they have a chance tonight.
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Nowell making Izzo’s defense look very ordinary.
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Nowell making Izzo’s defense look very ordinary.
And now he’s injured.
The key to MSU’s NCAA success.
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And now he’s injured.
The key to MSU’s NCAA success.
Great strategy adjustment from Izzo!
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Great strategy adjustment from Izzo!
It does make a difference for sure. Yeah. Whew. Was unfortunate for us
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Not a lot of defense in the KSU/MSU game.
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Yeah, for those dying on the MSU defense beat Marquette hill, Nowell and K-State’s performance tonight is disputing that.
Hard to believe Kolek turned in the performance he did last Sunday.
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Yeah, for those dying on the MSU defense beat Marquette hill, Nowell and K-State’s performance tonight is disputing that.
Hard to believe Kolek turned in the performance he did last Sunday.
Very hard to believe
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Hurley with a nice Big East hat tip....said they've been really good all year "against non-conference" foes
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Yeah, for those dying on the MSU defense beat Marquette hill, Nowell and K-State’s performance tonight is disputing that.
Hard to believe Kolek turned in the performance he did last Sunday.
Whether Kolek wants to use hand as an excuse or not, clearly he was injured.
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Both teams are scoring easily in the MSU/KSU game.
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:(
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KSU's big guy Tomlin plays like Omax if he were 6'10.
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Hoggard fouled the hell outta Johnson
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Whether Kolek wants to use hand as an excuse or not, clearly he was injured.
Well his decision making was the worst we have ever seen…..due to the hand? Probably not.
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I am seeing nothing in this game that makes me less convinced that MU beat themselves last Sunday
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WTF was that?
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Arkansas. Woof
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jesmu
MU 100% beat themselves on Sunday. Worst performance of the year for the team.
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Beyond belief shot attempt there by Nowell. Inexcusable.
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Nothing wrong with the shot by Nowell.
Everything wrong with not doing it sooner and going 2 for 1
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Nothing wrong with the shot by Nowell.
Everything wrong with not doing it sooner and going 2 for 1
A 37 footer? Disagree.
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Nothing wrong with the shot by Nowell.
Everything wrong with not doing it sooner and going 2 for 1
Nowell compounds mistake by not making the pass at the end
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Last shot by KS was tough. Had a pass to the left maybe.
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Izzo drew up a play? Lol
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The refs love MSU
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The refs love MSU
So do the announcers
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I hated that last full possession by KSU. Yo yo the ball for 30 seconds and then heave up a 35 footer.
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The refs love MSU
MSU has never committed a foul under Izzo - in Izzo’s mind. He really works the refs
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Hoggard is a dude
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The refs love MSU
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17 assists. TK gotta be kicking himself right about now
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21Jump
He is a dude.
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jesmu
MU 100% beat themselves on Sunday. Worst performance of the year for the team.
Not sure it was the worst of the year, but definitely agree that they beat themselves.
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Incredible game I must say despite the lack of D.
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Ridiculous game.
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Wait...what was that call?
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Wait...what was that call?
Foul
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Omg WTF????
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K.State ball.
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What a game….. damn
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Nowell with 18 assists but chucking 30 footers is something
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UCONN apparently dropped the hammer.
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Wow - hell of an inbounds and shot. 19 assists. Wow.
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Wow....19 dimes.
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Aaron Harrison vibes from Massoud. Not high volume but he’s about 100% on big shots through 3 games.
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Wow - hell of an inbounds and shot. 19 assists. Wow.
Foul under 8 secs?
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Show joeys family now.
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BAM!!!
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Ok that was quite a last play
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Zero reason to be happy as an MU fan right now.
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Bye bye MSU and Joey
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What a strip there! Is he 5'8 or really closer to 5'6? :)
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Zero reason to be happy as an MU fan right now.
You're correct.
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Zero reason to be happy as an MU fan right now.
Yep. Just more salt atm
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I don't have my bracket in front of me.....how many B14 teams are left? Ty.
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Lots of coaches talking about loving each other now - more than I remember before. Shaka either started or in on it
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I don't have my bracket in front of me.....how many B14 teams are left? Ty.
None. Embarrassing
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I don't have my bracket in front of me.....how many B14 teams are left? Ty.
In the NIT?
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Zero reason to be happy as an MU fan right now.
Maybe not, but anyone who can’t stand MSU and Izzo can smile.
Another tourney with no Big 10 team even reaching the Elite 8.
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I'm baffled that "Mr. March" couldn't draw up a play when he needed one?
Is that maybe because all the offense at the end of the last 2 games has been ISO with Hoggard or Walker
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KSU shot 56% with only 5 turnovers (!!!) in an overtime game (!) against Izzo.
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Izzo didn’t use the MU gameplan or what?
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Well his decision making was the worst we have ever seen…..due to the hand? Probably not.
Yup. If you can play you can play.
I'd guess MSU's tournament experience just showed through more than Marquette's (lack thereof).
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KSU shot 56% with only 5 turnovers (!!!) in an overtime game (!) against Izzo.
What have I been saying for days DD about this Izzo worshipping nonsense? We played a piss poor game. It's really that simple. Especially after going up 3 in the 2H.
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Other teams during the course of our 19 wins in 21 games played good defense. I never said they didn't defend well. What I am saying is our ineptitude was primarily self-inflicted. The tape doesn’t lie. Watch the stretch after we went up 3 in the 2H. And had like 6 possessions to extend it. That was the game and we all know this is where we crapped the bed. This is much, much, different than being outplayed and the main reason why it's so frustrating and upsetting. Again, Mich St. couldn't make an open three.
Just watched defensive genius Tom Izzy hold K State to 98 points and their PG to an NCAA record 19 assists.
Give credence to your theory that is was mostly us who stopped us, not the Spartans.
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jesmu
MU 100% beat themselves on Sunday. Worst performance of the year for the team.
This is where I’m at. Saying the loss was “50% MSU’s defense and 40% Kolek’s thumb injury” is not accurate, IMO. We had a ten minute window in the second half where we could’ve taken control of the game, and instead played our worst 10 minutes of the season. Nothing wrong with just admitting we played like crap.
It was a phenomenal season, but it ended on a stinker. We averaged 80 on the season and scored 60, and K-State had what, at least 80 in regulation against MSU? The moment was just too big for us this year. Let’s hope next year is different. I think it will be.
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I'm baffled that "Mr. March" couldn't draw up a play when he needed one?
Is that maybe because all the offense at the end of the last 2 games has been ISO with Hoggard or Walker
Great pass by Joey to setup Hall. Gutsy leadership to share the ball with the season on the line. Went out like he came in, team first guy
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Show joeys family now.
Yeah. They didn't but should have. They only show them happy and smiling. I wonder how the other families feel about the announcers and camera crew totally obsessing over the Hausers while rarely featuring them. And of course, they just had to tell the Sam and Joey leaving Marquette story for the 113th time. Thank God that crap is now in the rear-view mirror.
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I'm baffled that "Mr. March" couldn't draw up a play when he needed one?
Is that maybe because all the offense at the end of the last 2 games has been ISO with Hoggard or Walker
I watch a lot of college basketball, and I’ve never heard “Mr. March” used until this year. I’m not sure where it came from, but take solace in the fact that only a complete loser would call Tom Izzo that in real life conversation.
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Aside from Kolek, watching KSU really shows how bad our offensive gameplan was
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Yeah. They didn't but should have. They only show them happy and smiling. I wonder how the other families feel about the announcers and camera crew totally obsessing over the Hausers while rarely featuring them. And of course, they just had to tell the Sam and Joey leaving Marquette story for the 113th time. Thank God that crap is now in the rear-view mirror.
Have I got news for you
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Aside from Kolek, watching KSU really shows how bad our offensive gameplan was
If Nowell played like Kolek did the results woulda been very similar.
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Just watched defensive genius Tom Izzy hold K State to 98 points and their PG to an NCAA record 19 assists.
Give credence to your theory that is was mostly us who stopped us, not the Spartans.
Lenny, I've stated many times that other Scoopers being in la-la-land is beyond my control. I do my best to state the obvious.
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Zero reason to be happy as an MU fan right now.
Not "happy" but I gotta admit feeling good about the outcome. First time I saw Nowell and he was damn impressive. Had some head scratching moments at the end of regulation but made up for it.
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I don't have my bracket in front of me.....how many B14 teams are left? Ty.
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Zero reason to be happy as an MU fan right now.
Correct
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LOL!
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Lenny, I've stated many times that other Scoopers being in la-la-land is beyond my control. I do my best to state the obvious.
MU gave away a great opportunity. I think during the Shaka era we’ll feel that way if we lose in the tournament more often than not since we will regularly have good teams with a chance to go deep. This year we lost to an average team in a weak conference.
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Muss going after the refs down 25 with 2 mins to go seems silly.
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Izzo is March having a tough time accepting the loss
https://twitter.com/rushthecourt/status/1639075478383521792?s=46&t=QSiaGcOIKZrrpw0ciZkI5Q
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I realize I’m beating a dead horse, tough to see two All American point guards play the same team in 4 days and see two drastically different stat lines.
7/18, 20 points, 19 assists, 2 turnovers
2/8, 7 points, 5 assists, 6 turnovers
Bad nights happen, is what it is, frustrating nonetheless.
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MU gave away a great opportunity. I think during the Shaka era we’ll feel that way if we lose in the tournament more often than not since we will regularly have good teams with a chance to go deep. This year we lost to an average team in a weak conference.
It happens and it obviously sucks. I just don't get this Izzo scheme analysis at all.
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I realize I’m beating a dead horse, tough to see two All American point guards play the same team in 4 days and see two drastically different stat lines.
7/18, 20 points, 19 assists, 2 turnovers
2/8, 7 points, 5 assists, 6 turnovers
Bad nights happen, is what it is, frustrating nonetheless.
Right there with you. Will haunt my offseason. Almost inconceivable we weren’t at least in the group of 16
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https://twitter.com/gwizzy12/status/1639077191064403968?s=46&t=el-XnIMOEDcxAw3lmg3L5A
Mr march calling ksu lucky. I guess the brilliant strategy of containing a point guard doesn’t work when they have two good hands.
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https://twitter.com/JaredBerson/status/1639076859982802945?t=MQiiuVIybHWwGLiLOs-cZQ&s=19
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https://twitter.com/gwizzy12/status/1639077191064403968?s=46&t=el-XnIMOEDcxAw3lmg3L5A
Mr march calling ksu lucky. I guess the brilliant strategy of containing a point guard doesn’t work when they have two good hands.
Such a good guy
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Yep. Just more salt atm
You think we would’ve beat K State?
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This is where I’m at. Saying the loss was “50% MSU’s defense and 40% Kolek’s thumb injury” is not accurate, IMO. We had a ten minute window in the second half where we could’ve taken control of the game, and instead played our worst 10 minutes of the season. Nothing wrong with just admitting we played like crap.
I've said 70% Kolek's thumb, 20% MSU defensive effort, 10% nerves.
But as Tower has said, and I agree, we will not convince one another...which is perfectly fine, it's what sport arguments are about.
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It’s almost like college basketball players sometimes have bad nights. Wild, I know.
We’re acting like Sparty just went on and lost by 47 to DePaul. They lost an OT game to a really good KSU team. Sure it was a much different game than the MU game, but that’s college hoops. Sometimes you beat UCONN with your two most important players on the bench in foul trouble a bunch of the game and other times you get the doors blown off from start to finish by UCONN with no foul trouble. That’s the nature of amateur athletes and a one and done format Tournament.
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I realize I’m beating a dead horse, tough to see two All American point guards play the same team in 4 days and see two drastically different stat lines.
7/18, 20 points, 19 assists, 2 turnovers
2/8, 7 points, 5 assists, 6 turnovers
Bad nights happen, is what it is, frustrating nonetheless.
Kolek had one thumb. Newell is awesome without question, but people that think Kolek suddenly forgot how to play after about the 3 minute mark of the Vermont game...I don't know what to say.
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You think we would’ve beat K State?
If we played like we’re capable of? Yeah we could beat them. Would’ve been a toss up game
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Is anyone else having trouble with the TBS feed?
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Kolek had one thumb. Newell is awesome without question, but people that think Kolek suddenly forgot how to play after about the 3 minute mark of the Vermont game...I don't know what to say.
Kolek said the thumb was fine
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If we played like we’re capable of? Yeah we could beat them. Would’ve been a toss up game
We would have been 4 point favorites.
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I'm sorry. I mean trouble with the CBS feed.
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I'm sorry. I mean trouble with the CBS feed.
It happened to me Saturday. Missed the first half of Kansas-Arkansas
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Kolek had one thumb. Newell is awesome without question, but people that think Kolek suddenly forgot how to play after about the 3 minute mark of the Vermont game...I don't know what to say.
I mean, he did say the thumb was fine. Kolek had a poor tournament, sometimes things happen. If you play your worst games in March, you go home. It’s ok to be frustrated by an outlier performance by him.
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Kolek said the thumb was fine
1) Evidence says otherwise
2) Would you expect a guy like Kolek to say anything else?
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Sean Jones should be watching tape of Nowell every morning, day and night this summer.
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I mean, he did say the thumb was fine. Kolek had a poor tournament, sometimes things happen. If you play your worst games in March, you go home. It’s ok to be frustrated by an outlier performance by him.
1) There is video of him from the practice the day before showing him shaking the hand/favoring his thumb
2) After his drive when he further aggravated it against Vermont he had to go the locker room to get it looked at and taped
3) He was completely ineffective thereafter in both the Vermont and MSU games
So I guess draw your own conclusion, but Kolek isn't the kind of guy to make excuses. He could have had the hand amputated and wouldn't have used it as excuse IMO.
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The 🦉 🦉 🦉 better wake up.
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1) There is video of him from the practice the day before showing him shaking the hand/favoring his thumb
2) After his drive when he further aggravated it against Vermont he had to go the locker room to get it looked at and taped
3) He was completely ineffective thereafter in both the Vermont and MSU games
So I guess draw your own conclusion, but Kolek isn't the kind of guy to make excuses. He could have had the hand amputated and wouldn't have used it as excuse IMO.
Agreed, his thumb definitely bothered him. But nickle/dime fouls and throwing the ball into the front court needlessly, with no numbers, for live ball turnovers, also should be mutually exclusive from his thumb.
We all probably agree it sucks MU didn’t get a chance tonight. Is what it is.
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I'm sorry. I mean trouble with the CBS feed.
Yes. It's been a problem in every game. Fortunately, it is bad only for a moment or two.
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Agreed, his thumb definitely bothered him. But nickle/dime fouls and throwing the ball into the front court needlessly, with no numbers, for live ball turnovers, also should be mutually exclusive from his thumb.
We all probably agree it sucks MU didn’t get a chance tonight. Is what it is.
Oh yeah, his fouls were dumb, dumb, dumb. I do think frustration with his inability to play his normal game was a huge contributor to those as well. If he had been able to throttle back and manage the game within his reduced capabilities it would have been a lot better for MU, but he failed in that aspect.
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This is a bad look for Izzo: https://twitter.com/barstoolsports/status/1639076383409274880?s=46&t=HLoNtkTVfvSoDEzJafqc2g
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This is a bad look for Izzo: https://twitter.com/barstoolsports/status/1639076383409274880?s=46&t=HLoNtkTVfvSoDEzJafqc2g
Yeah, unnatural carnal knowledge that guy
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Kind of wish Shaka hadn’t run off Aidoo
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1) Evidence says otherwise
2) Would you expect a guy like Kolek to say anything else?
Scoopers know the extent of the impact of his thumb better than Tyler….and if Tyler says it wasn’t a problem….scoopers know it was ….
If Tyler says hes ok? f ‘em
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Scoopers know the extent of the impact of his thumb better than Tyler….and if Tyler says it wasn’t a problem….scoopers know it was ….
If Tyler says hes ok? f ‘em
The actual evidence says otherwise. But, as noted previously, we aren't going to convince one another.
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All you have to do is listen to Izzo for 10 seconds in the postgame, and if you can't see why some are happy he lost ... come on.
As for the letterman ...
He shot really well in helping Sparty stay in the game. But over the last 23 minutes, he had as many fouls as points (3). And over the last 12 minutes, he bricked the only three 3-pointers he took and choked on the front end of a 1-and-1. He also was a statue on defense. A fitting ending.
In 23 seasons from 1997-98 through 2019-20, Izzo had a .732 winning percentage overall, .714 in conference, finished in first place 10 times, finished in the top 3 of the conference 17 times, and made 8 Final Fours.
Purely coincidentally, in 3 seasons since 2020-21, Izzo had a .602 winning percentage overall, .525 in conference, finished 8th, 7th and 4th, and never sniffed a Final Four.
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All you have to do is listen to Izzo for 10 seconds in the postgame, and if you can't see why some are happy he lost ... come on.
As for the letterman ...
He shot really well in helping Sparty stay in the game. But over the last 23 minutes, he had as many fouls as points (3). And over the last 12 minutes, he bricked the only three 3-pointers he took and choked on the front end of a 1-and-1. He also was a statue on defense. A fitting ending.
In 23 seasons from 1997-98 through 2019-20, Izzo had a .732 winning percentage overall, .714 in conference, finished in first place 10 times, finished in the top 3 of the conference 17 times, and made 8 Final Fours.
Purely coincidentally, in 3 seasons since 2020-21, Izzo had a .602 winning percentage overall, .525 in conference, finished 8th, 7th and 4th, and never sniffed a Final Four.
I 100% agree with your analysis.
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All you have to do is listen to Izzo for 10 seconds in the postgame, and if you can't see why some are happy he lost ... come on.
As for the letterman ...
He shot really well in helping Sparty stay in the game. But over the last 23 minutes, he had as many fouls as points (3). And over the last 12 minutes, he bricked the only three 3-pointers he took and choked on the front end of a 1-and-1. He also was a statue on defense. A fitting ending.
In 23 seasons from 1997-98 through 2019-20, Izzo had a .732 winning percentage overall, .714 in conference, finished in first place 10 times, finished in the top 3 of the conference 17 times, and made 8 Final Fours.
Purely coincidentally, in 3 seasons since 2020-21, Izzo had a .602 winning percentage overall, .525 in conference, finished 8th, 7th and 4th, and never sniffed a Final Four.
He’s still running the Mid-10 program that won the NCAAs most recently.
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I've said 70% Kolek's thumb, 20% MSU defensive effort, 10% nerves.
But as Tower has said, and I agree, we will not convince one another...which is perfectly fine, it's what sport arguments are about.
No…100% thumb….dont bring MSU into this…
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Michigan State lost today w/ 13 made threes & 18 made twos.
Since 2010, teams that had made 18+ twos & 13+ threes in NCAA Tournament games were 19-0 with an average margin of victory of +24.
From Jay Cuda on twitter
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Michigan State lost today w/ 13 made threes & 18 made twos.
Since 2010, teams that had made 18+ twos & 13+ threes in NCAA Tournament games were 19-0 with an average margin of victory of +24.
From Jay Cuda on twitter
Now they are 19-1.
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The actual evidence says otherwise. But, as noted previously, we aren't going to convince one another.
I’m sure the thumb impacted him but some of the decisions he made weren’t driven by the injury.
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Watching this undersized FAU team rebound makes me envious.
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Is it time for the 🦉 🦉 🦉 🦉 🦉 🦉 🦉 🦉???
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Did Tennessee all of sudden turn into the Voles?
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Did Tennessee all of sudden turn into the Voles?
The Owls came out to play in the 2nd half.
Winning it from behind the arc on offense and matching toughness on defense. You don't need size to beat bullyball teams if you can do that.
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The Owls came out to play in the 2nd half.
Winning it from behind the arc on offense and matching toughness on defense. You don't need size to beat bullyball teams if you can do that.
Do you have any idea how quickly a vole or lemming is introduced to darkness by several of our 🦉 species? The game is long from over but it's important to remind ourselves how insanely cool 🦉 🦉 🦉 are. :)
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No…100% thumb….dont bring MSU into this…
Yes, by all means, hyperbole and things never said are great arguments. Please proceed.
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🦉
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No…100% thumb….dont bring MSU into this…
50% thumb 50% nerves.
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Joey should have taken that straight on 3 with about 8 seconds left. Mistake to pass on that and now going home.
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No idea if MU would have beaten KSU, but I think a lot of us saw MU’s possible road through the East and were quite happy with the draw.
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Joey should have taken that straight on 3 with about 8 seconds left. Mistake to pass on that and now going home.
Maybe he'll explain his decision in a treatise?
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🦉
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Was Shaka the first to run the 5 on the baseline in bounds set this year? He did it a couple times earlier this year and now everyone is running it
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Rick Barnes is literally the anti-Izzo
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What the H happened to UCLA?
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What the H happened to UCLA?
They stopped making shots.
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FAU with another upset over Tennessee. Wow.
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FAU has speed and quicks. They absolutely can beat K-State.
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Now they are 19-1.
Hell yeah!
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FAU has speed and quicks. They absolutely can beat K-State.
That game could be a lot of fun.
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FAU has speed and quicks. They absolutely can beat K-State.
No they can't. *
* - pending status on Nowell's ankle.
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50% thumb 50% nerves.
As long as izzo and msu are 0% ….then it makes complete sense.
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Wow. Stunned by UCLA's collapse. Zero field goals in 10 mins??
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As long as izzo and msu are 0% ….then it makes complete sense.
Actually 60% thumb, 60% nerves, -15% izzo, -5% MSU defense.
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FAU has been higher in KenPom for a while now. They’ve been very good all year.
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FAU has been higher in KenPom for a while now. They’ve been very good all year.
No doubt. That's a very solid team. 34-3.
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With no really great team this season, maybe Gonzaga will finally win it all as a team that was more of an afterthought going into the tournament.
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Ugh, bummer that this is gonna be the last time I’ll watch Jaime Jaquez play basketball.
Also, I don’t want Mark Few and Drew Timme to have nice things.
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I was at the Final Four in 1984 in Seattle, when Kentucky did not score in the first ten minutes of the second half against Georgetown. It’s almost unbelievable to watch.
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Actually 60% thumb, 60% nerves, -15% izzo, -5% MSU defense.
This makes the most sense I have read today.
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Wow. Stunned by UCLA's collapse. Zero field goals in 10 mins??
Don’t give credit to Few for getting to the elite eight…..because I dont like him.
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Ugh, bummer that this is gonna be the last time I’ll watch Jaime Jaquez play basketball.
Also, I don’t want Mark Few and Drew Timme to have nice things.
Agreed….Jaime could have been mvp of this tourney…..bad 2nd half.
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FAU
UAB
North Texas
Conference USA, some pretty good ball.
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Conference USA, some pretty good ball.
Is the headquarters in St Louis by chance?
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Unbelievable!
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Wow!!
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Is the headquarters in St Louis by chance?
Yadi is C-USA president too.
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Double wow!
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Double wow!
+2
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OMG!!
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Is the headquarters in St Louis by chance?
I don’t get it.
And, this is the NCAA Tourney Thread. Aren’t you one of the board moderators?
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Wowza!
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I don’t get it.
And, this is the NCAA Tourney Thread. Aren’t you one of the board moderators?
You posted about 2 nit teams. Aren't you smarter than that?
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Kris Jenkins play…onions!
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Mother f***er…
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Gonzaga just saved my brackets.
What a collapse by UCLA, followed by a collapse by Gonzaga, followed by some major heroism from Strawther.
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This is a Jaime Jaquez appreciation post.
I’ve never had so much love for a player that has absolutely wrecked Marquette on multiple occasions.
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You posted about 2 nit teams. Aren't you smarter than that?
I guess that’s a yes you are one of the board moderators.
I posted after FAU won their game. They play in Conference USA with UAB and N. Texas. Both of those teams are good teams. Aren’t you smarter than that?
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I guess that’s a yes you are one of the board moderators.
I posted after FAU won their game. They play in Conference USA with UAB and N. Texas. Both of those teams are good teams. Aren’t you smarter than that?
Well in either case, we can all agree that Dayton would be so lucky to join a conference as prestigious as Conference USA
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Well in either case, we can all agree that Dayton would be so lucky to join a conference as prestigious as Conference USA
I simply posted that 3 Conference USA teams, are playing pretty good ball. That’s it. That’s the post. Not everything needs to be a joke or troll
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I simply posted that 3 Conference USA teams, are playing pretty good ball. That’s it. That’s the post. Not everything needs to be a joke or troll
Oh I agree, that was me actually trying to be supportive of your post. Guess it didn’t land.
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Oh I agree, that was me actually trying to be supportive of your post. Guess it didn’t land.
No worries. Thanks anyway.
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This is a Jaime Jaquez appreciation post.
I’ve never had so much love for a player that has absolutely wrecked Marquette on multiple occasions.
This. He's 100% my favorite college basketball player not on Marquette.
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Michigan State lost today w/ 13 made threes & 18 made twos.
Since 2010, teams that had made 18+ twos & 13+ threes in NCAA Tournament games were 19-0 with an average margin of victory of +24.
From Jay Cuda on twitter
What a game plan by Jerome Tang
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All you have to do is listen to Izzo for 10 seconds in the postgame, and if you can't see why some are happy he lost ... come on.
As for the letterman ...
He shot really well in helping Sparty stay in the game. But over the last 23 minutes, he had as many fouls as points (3). And over the last 12 minutes, he bricked the only three 3-pointers he took and choked on the front end of a 1-and-1. He also was a statue on defense. A fitting ending.
In 23 seasons from 1997-98 through 2019-20, Izzo had a .732 winning percentage overall, .714 in conference, finished in first place 10 times, finished in the top 3 of the conference 17 times, and made 8 Final Fours.
Purely coincidentally, in 3 seasons since 2020-21, Izzo had a .602 winning percentage overall, .525 in conference, finished 8th, 7th and 4th, and never sniffed a Final Four.
But I doubt he’s had a team with more senior leadership
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K-State has now run two of the most creative sets I have seen recently. Or trick plays, if you like. The bubble screen inbounds set against Kentucky and the alley oop last night were brilliant. Kudos for both of them.
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Jaquez is awesome but Campbell is my favorite non MU player in a long time. He’s Chris Paul without being a douche to everyone.
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K-State has now run two of the most creative sets I have seen recently. Or trick plays, if you like. The bubble screen inbounds set against Kentucky and the alley oop last night were brilliant. Kudos for both of them.
I absolutely oved watching KSU, especially Nowell of course.
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I absolutely oved watching KSU, especially Nowell of course.
He's got some game Scoop Snoop. Dropping dimes all over the place while displaying some serious zoomability.
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But I will say this: I expect FAU to get by KSU and make the F4.
Another incredible stat from last night is that KSU had 5 total turnovers in 45 mins.. I repeat, 5. Nowell with 19 dimes, 5 steals, and 2 turns. So when I stated emphatically that Mich St. did not force our turnovers, and we made self-inflicted mistakes/kicked the ball away, perhaps this amplifies my point? You Izzo worshippers had a rough evening. Just sayin...
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Obviously the Big Ten is the best league in the country.
https://twitter.com/SSN_BigXII/status/1639115639498608640?s=20
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Obviously the Big Ten is the best league in the country.
https://twitter.com/SSN_BigXII/status/1639115639498608640?s=20
He looks so old
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Obviously the Big Ten is the best league in the country.
https://twitter.com/SSN_BigXII/status/1639115639498608640?s=20
To play devil’s advocate, I’d expect any coach in any league to defend said league. He’s not correct and I’m hardly an Izzo apologist, but, eh
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But I will say this: I expect FAU to get by KSU and make the F4.
Another incredible stat from last night is that KSU had 5 total turnovers in 45 mins.. I repeat, 5. Nowell with 19 dimes, 5 steals, and 2 turns. So when I stated emphatically that Mich St. did not force our turnovers, and we made self-inflicted mistakes/kicked the ball away, perhaps this amplifies my point? You Izzo worshippers had a rough evening. Just sayin...
Izzo's stint as defensive genius lasted one game, apparently.
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Izzo's stint as defensive genius lasted one game, apparently.
Nah he’s still a genius, because according to him, K-State hit some lucky shots. 👀
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Well, it has lasted a quarter of a century. And, before he pissed off the world, he said that MSU did not play defense as well as they had in the first two games. I will take him at his word.
I did not see the first 36 minutes, so I don't know if K State banked in two shot clock 3's.
Shortly after I turned the game on, I saw K State get an offensive rebound. Hall left the man with the ball in the lane and closed out on a 3 point shooter. Hauser left the man with the ball in the lane to wrestle with the other big who did not have the ball. The offensive player turned and made the lay up. I thought ooooooh, so it is that night.
All season, MSU has been plagued by defensive lapses. The USC/MU games are the first time Sparty had strung together consecutive stellar defensive efforts. KState going for 98 after MSU playing two good defensive games is actually consistent.
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I watched the entire game and went to bed with about 2 minutes left with Gonzaga up 10 after calling an early onions.
This is why I never sleep
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Obviously the Big Ten is the best league in the country.
https://twitter.com/SSN_BigXII/status/1639115639498608640?s=20
Oh..... okay. #buffoon/liar
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Well, it has lasted a quarter of a century. And, before he pissed off the world, he said that MSU did not play defense as well as they had in the first two games. I will take him at his word.
I did not see the first 36 minutes, so I don't know if K State banked in two shot clock 3's.
Shortly after I turned the game on, I saw K State get an offensive rebound. Hall left the man with the ball in the lane and closed out on a 3 point shooter. Hauser left the man with the ball in the lane to wrestle with the other big who did not have the ball. The offensive player turned and made the lay up. I thought ooooooh, so it is that night.
All season, MSU has been plagued by defensive lapses. The USC/MU games are the first time Sparty had strung together consecutive stellar defensive efforts. KState going for 98 after MSU playing two good defensive games is actually consistent.
Tower, you missed Nowell torching their defense and zipping dimes all over the place. Again, their defense whether it be game to game, versus us, or yesterday, simply is not that good.
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Well, it has lasted a quarter of a century. And, before he pissed off the world, he said that MSU did not play defense as well as they had in the first two games. I will take him at his word.
I did not see the first 36 minutes, so I don't know if K State banked in two shot clock 3's.
Shortly after I turned the game on, I saw K State get an offensive rebound. Hall left the man with the ball in the lane and closed out on a 3 point shooter. Hauser left the man with the ball in the lane to wrestle with the other big who did not have the ball. The offensive player turned and made the lay up. I thought ooooooh, so it is that night.
All season, MSU has been plagued by defensive lapses. The USC/MU games are the first time Sparty had strung together consecutive stellar defensive efforts. KState going for 98 after MSU playing two good defensive games is actually consistent.
It was that night. Lots of missed/lazy assignments on defense across the board. Hoggard kept them in the game as did KState who was as poor on playing sound defense. In K-State’s defense, they played for steals in their lapses versus Sparty who I’m not sure what they were doing. Hauser got caught in mismatches all night but the help defense was terrible. KState got to spots pretty easy
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Looked to me like they were hunting Joey for switches all night. Solid strategy
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Looked to me like they were hunting Joey for switches all night. Solid strategy
MU tried that but none of the guys could turn the corner.
Ballhandling has to be a major development point for everyone this offseason. Too loose with the rock, and it slows them down when they try to attack the rack.
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Well, it has lasted a quarter of a century. And, before he pissed off the world, he said that MSU did not play defense as well as they had in the first two games. I will take him at his word.
I did not see the first 36 minutes, so I don't know if K State banked in two shot clock 3's.
Shortly after I turned the game on, I saw K State get an offensive rebound. Hall left the man with the ball in the lane and closed out on a 3 point shooter. Hauser left the man with the ball in the lane to wrestle with the other big who did not have the ball. The offensive player turned and made the lay up. I thought ooooooh, so it is that night.
All season, MSU has been plagued by defensive lapses. The USC/MU games are the first time Sparty had strung together consecutive stellar defensive efforts. KState going for 98 after MSU playing two good defensive games is actually consistent.
Tower, I would urge you to stop being such a spokesperson for Izzo.
I get it, Yes he’s a good coach and had a great career, but like many others have said, he’s not a good human.
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I just noticed the countdown clock at the top of Scoop. That, combined with watching other teams compete last night, is a little depressing.
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Well, it has lasted a quarter of a century. And, before he pissed off the world, he said that MSU did not play defense as well as they had in the first two games. I will take him at his word.
Question not directly related to this topic - do you believe there is such a thing as coachspeak in pressers?
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Tower, I would urge you to stop being such a spokesperson for Izzo.
I get it, Yes he’s a good coach and had a great career, but like many others have said, he’s not a good human.
Nah.
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Aren’t you smarter than that?
I could never best you shoot!
I guess that’s a yes you are one of the board moderators.
Golly, your investigative skills must have been in overdrive to be able to "guess" that!
I just noticed the countdown clock at the top of Scoop. That, combined with watching other teams compete last night, is a little depressing.
Apologies. My OCD tendencies can't stand the countdown going negative.
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Obviously the Big Ten is the best league in the country.
https://twitter.com/SSN_BigXII/status/1639115639498608640?s=20
;D ;D ;D They have simply been unlucky, that's all!
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Question not directly related to this topic - do you believe there is such a thing as coachspeak in pressers?
Is the Pope Catholic?
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No they can't. *
* - pending status on Nowell's ankle.
They completely outplayed Tennessee. They certainly have a shot.
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I could never best you shoot!
Golly, your investigative skills must have been in overdrive to be able to "guess" that!
Apologies. My OCD tendencies can't stand the countdown going negative.
Leaders lead. You’re one of the moderators of the board. Maybe act like it once in a while. Just a thought.
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MU tried that but none of the guys could turn the corner.
Ballhandling has to be a major development point for everyone this offseason. Too loose with the rock, and it slows them down when they try to attack the rack.
Agree on this point. TKO is a special distributor, but I think that we saw flashes this year of what the offense could be with multiple active passers/distributors in the guard/wing position. Additionally, speed in which the team cuts to the hoop (see Oso and Joplin slow backdowns as a thing to fix). Speed and violence on passing and driving are essential to this offense thriving.
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Is the Pope Catholic?
Question was for Tower
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As I watched last night, the MSU game hurt even more.
There wasn't a team that played Thursday night that I didn't feel that if we had a decent night, we couldn't take. Period. We're better than everyone who played Thursday! We just sucked when it mattered.
The best team of the night was UConn with what they did to Arkansas and we beat them twice! Tennessee was a crappy match-up against us but I look at what we did to Creighton and Xavier and think what could have been.
The reality is basketball is a horse race and we lost it in the final stretch. Not by much but the size of the loss means less than the fact we lost. It's tough when you see the other horses but the reality is next year is coming -- faster than we think!
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As I watched last night, the MSU game hurt even more.
There wasn't a team that played Thursday night that I didn't feel that if we had a decent night, we couldn't take. Period. We're better than everyone who played Thursday! We just sucked when it mattered.
The best team of the night was UConn with what they did to Arkansas and we beat them twice! Tennessee was a crappy match-up against us but I look at what we did to Creighton and Xavier and think what could have been.
The reality is basketball is a horse race and we lost it in the final stretch. Not by much but the size of the loss means less than the fact we lost. It's tough when you see the other horses but the reality is next year is coming -- faster than we think!
It might be the COLE talking, but I think if UConn plays their A game, they beat us. Last night, they looked like the best team in the country.
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It might be the COLE talking, but I think if UConn plays their A game, they beat us. Last night, they looked like the best team in the country.
Sure, but 2 of the 3 times they played Marquette, including on their self-proclaimed home court at MSG, they didn't play their A game. I like to think our coaches and players had something to do with that. Going into our matchup at MSG, all the talk was of how UConn had regained its mojo and was on a roll ... and then they ran into Marquette and the roll stopped.
But hey, UConn is still playing and winning in dominating fashion, and our guys are done for the season, so it's hard to sit here and argue that Marquette is better. Props to Hurley, whose results are finally jibing with his reputation, and kudos to his players.
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UConn is very, very good when they bring their A game. They are tough out for any team in the country if they are playing well. It would not surprise me if they won the whole thing.
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Jaquez is awesome but Campbell is my favorite non MU player in a long time. He’s Chris Paul without being a douche to everyone.
Except Paul is a HoF’er and Tyler will probably never play in the NBA. So he’s not quite Chris Paul.
But yes, Paul is a douche and I hope he never gets a title.
One other thing as well. Paul has choked in big games at a much higher rate than Campbell.
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Is the Pope Catholic?
And...
(https://tse3.mm.bing.net/th?id=OIP.oVZZeF6xlu1aWzGAQ0cB4wHaFj&pid=Api&P=0)
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Except Paul is a HoF’er and Tyler will probably never play in the NBA. So he’s not quite Chris Paul.
But yes, Paul is a douche and I hope he never gets a title.
One other thing as well. Paul has choked in big games at a much higher rate than Campbell.
Well yeah. I'm speaking of Campbell at the college level and comparing him to Paul at the NBA level. Similar playing styles.
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"We're better than everyone who played Thursday! We just sucked when it mattered."
If you are better than everyone, then you don't suck when it matters....
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"We're better than everyone who played Thursday! We just sucked when it mattered."
If you are better than everyone, then you don't suck when it matters....
I don't think we were better than everyone playing. But I also don't think this is true either. I think a large majority of the years the best team probably doesn't win this Tournament.
The one and done format, combined with the variability of these being 18-22 year olds, makes it really difficult to win 6 straight games against good teams.
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I just noticed the countdown clock at the top of Scoop. That, combined with watching other teams compete last night, is a little depressing.
I don’t mind the countdown clock, but I wish the banner with the MSU score could be replaced with something like “2023 Big East Champions”.
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I don't think we were better than everyone playing. But I also don't think this is true either. I think a large majority of the years the best team probably doesn't win this Tournament.
The one and done format, combined with the variability of these being 18-22 year olds, makes it really difficult to win 6 straight games against good teams.
This is why I put a lot more emphasis and emotional energy on the regular season than on the NCAA tournament. IMHO the tournament identifies a CHAMPION, but not necessarily the BEST team.
Especially in this age of parity, very few teams win the championship, or even advance to the Final Four, without at least one game that could have gone either way. There is a measure of fortunate bounces and luck of the draw for most of the champions.
I haven’t seen any teams that MU couldn’t beat, and seeing the UConn team that MU beat twice rolling on reinforces that. But the flip side of that is that there are probably at least 25- 30 teams in the tournament that could beat MU without it being a big upset. Given that, the chances that MU was going to win the title were always pretty low.
I am choosing to savor the Big East titles instead of torturing myself over what might have been in the tournament. If you look at it objectively, I think you would have to conclude that if we restarted the conference season today with all of the teams healthy, it would be extremely difficult for MU to go 17-3 again. Take a step back and think about what an amazing accomplishment that was, especially when followed up with a tournament title.
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This is why I put a lot more emphasis and emotional energy on the regular season than on the NCAA tournament. IMHO the tournament identifies a CHAMPION, but not necessarily the BEST team.
Especially in this age of parity, very few teams win the championship, or even advance to the Final Four, without at least one game that could have gone either way. There is a measure of fortunate bounces and luck of the draw for most of the champions.
I haven’t seen any teams that MU couldn’t beat, and seeing the UConn team that MU beat twice rolling on reinforces that. But the flip side of that is that there are probably at least 25- 30 teams in the tournament that could beat MU without it being a big upset. Given that, the chances that MU was going to win the title were always pretty low.
I am choosing to savor the Big East titles instead of torturing myself over what might have been in the tournament. If you look at it objectively, I think you would have to conclude that if we restarted the conference season today with all of the teams healthy, it would be extremely difficult for MU to go 17-3 again. Take a step back and think about what an amazing accomplishment that was, especially when followed up with a tournament title.
Like Wade's post in the outlook thread, spot on. I appreciate you guys for articulating (actually... writing well) on the two threads with your posts. I simply cannot find the right words sometimes.
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Obviously the Big Ten is the best league in the country.
https://twitter.com/SSN_BigXII/status/1639115639498608640?s=20
He said “No matter what anybody says we have the best conference in the country”.
Translation?
“No matter what I or any other Big 14 apologists say, we are what our abysmal (for multiple decades) record in the NCAA Tournament says we are”.
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Leaders lead. You’re one of the moderators of the board. Maybe act like it once in a while. Just a thought.
Sir, this is an Arby's.
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There is absolutely coach speak. Each one has their own variations, but there are definitely consistent themes and cliches.
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Obviously the Big Ten is the best league in the country.
https://twitter.com/SSN_BigXII/status/1639115639498608640?s=20
Reminds me of when Patrick Ewing would keep saying the Knicks were the better team after his Knicks were smoked in the playoffs -- again -- by the Bulls.
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Reminds me of when Patrick Ewing would keep saying the Knicks were the better team after his Knicks were smoked in the playoffs -- again -- by the Bulls.
Georgetown should have taken notice back then that he wasn't a good judge of basketball talent.
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There is absolutely coach speak. Each one has their own variations, but there are definitely consistent themes and cliches.
It's not exactly coach speak in light of the fact that there are 0.0 B14 teams left in the tournament with only 1 that made the S16. It's clearly an idiotic and dishonest statement by Izzo. Everyone with eyes knows how crappy their league is and their flame out was totally predictable.
There are white lies and degrees of dishonesty. We all understand what coach speak is and what It's not. The B14 was a mediocre league and it has been proven once again this season. If Mark Few said the WCC was the best conf in the country, or any coaches in the Mountain West uttered the same thing, they we be excoriated and rightly so. Izzo is a imbecile, a lying sack of garbage, and his routine and mannerisms are getting old and tired. #Assclown
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Rock on, muggsy.
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It's not exactly coach speak in light of the fact that there are 0.0 B14 teams left in the tournament with only 1 that made the S16. It's clearly an idiotic and dishonest statement by Izzo. Everyone with eyes knows how crappy their league is and their flame out was totally predictable.
There are white lies and degrees of dishonesty. We all understand what coach speak is and what It's not. The B14 was a mediocre league and it has been proven once again this season. If Mark Few said the WCC was the best conf in the country, or any coaches in the Mountain West uttered the same thing, they we be excoriated and rightly so. Izzo is a imbecile, a lying sack of garbage, and his routine and mannerisms are getting old and tired. #Assclown
Geez Mugs, did he steal your girlfriend? Not sure how we should feel considering the imbecile owns us. I would take that guys post season success any day of the week.
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It's not exactly coach speak in light of the fact that there are 0.0 B14 teams left in the tournament with only 1 that made the S16. It's clearly an idiotic and dishonest statement by Izzo. Everyone with eyes knows how crappy their league is and their flame out was totally predictable.
There are white lies and degrees of dishonesty. We all understand what coach speak is and what It's not. The B14 was a mediocre league and it has been proven once again this season. If Mark Few said the WCC was the best conf in the country, or any coaches in the Mountain West uttered the same thing, they we be excoriated and rightly so. Izzo is a imbecile, a lying sack of garbage, and his routine and mannerisms are getting old and tired. #Assclown
Piling on, you do you Muggs. What's to get upset about? He's clearly pandering to his base. I don't think anyone is going to change their mind on the Big10 after his speech.
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Since Izzo was hired in 1995, MSU has 8 final 4s.
The rest of the Big 10 combined has 11.
(I exclude Maryland, as their appearances happened in the ACC)
This illustrates muggsy's point about the Big 10 being mediocre. It shows that Izzo is far from an imbecile when it comes to tourney time.
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You know what’s impressive? Kansas State is 263rd in offensive turnover % and they turned it over 5 times last night. A normal night? They lose going away.
Also, a note on UCLA. In the first half when they were doing what they wanted on offense and had Gonzaga on their heels, Dan Bonner noticed Mick Cronin imploring his team to slow down. Balance that against UConn who buried Arkansas. Have my doubts Cronin has a better 3-year stretch he just had in LA.
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Geez Mugs, did he steal your girlfriend? Not sure how we should feel considering the imbecile owns us. I would take that guys post season success any day of the week.
I don't care for the guy and I wanted to be clear about it. Also, the drool fest from some here annoys me. I simply do not get it.
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Since Izzo was hired in 1995, MSU has 8 final 4s.
The rest of the Big 10 combined has 11.
(I exclude Maryland, as their appearances happened in the ACC)
This illustrates muggsy's point about the Big 10 being mediocre. It shows that Izzo is far from an imbecile when it comes to tourney time.
He's said too many moronic things to count, I'm not talking about his coaching.
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He's said too many moronic things to count, I'm not talking about his coaching.
+1
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I don't care for the guy and I wanted to be clear about it. Also, the drool fest from some here annoys me. I simply do not get it.
Totally agree
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You know what’s impressive? Kansas State is 263rd in offensive turnover % and they turned it over 5 times last night. A normal night? They lose going away.
Also, a note on UCLA. In the first half when they were doing what they wanted on offense and had Gonzaga on their heels, Dan Bonner noticed Mick Cronin imploring his team to slow down. Balance that against UConn who buried Arkansas. Have my doubts Cronin has a better 3-year stretch he just had in LA.
I suspect Cronin wanted them to slow down because they have a couple of guys out with injuries and he was afraid they might burn themselves out.
That concern was probably well founded.
Even at full strength getting into a horse race is playing to Gonzaga’s strength.
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This SDSU-Alabama game is UGLY.
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This SDSU-Alabama game is UGLY.
30 minutes of my life I’ll never get back.
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I suspect Cronin wanted them to slow down because they have a couple of guys out with injuries and he was afraid they might burn themselves out.
That concern was probably well founded.
Even at full strength getting into a horse race is playing to Gonzaga’s strength.
Yes and no. That's Cronin's MO regardless. You can see it against teams even when they are healthy. The man loves a rock fight. Its just a bit silly when you have the offensive talent he does.
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i really want the Aztecs but they just can't score.
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Nova fans watching Quinerly and thinking he could have solved this year's PG issues.
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Miller helping his teammates get shots.
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This extra Covid year crap needs to end. It’s getting ridiculous seeing 23-25 year old men playing against 18-21 year old kids.
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Watching these games, still can't help thinking the we really missed out on a Golden opportunity this year in the tournament.
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Watching these games, still can't help thinking the we really missed out on a Golden opportunity this year in the tournament.
Was waiting for someone to post this as I feel the pain will continue to grow the more upsets happen. Both 1 seeds are going down tonight. Our path could have been Fau in the elite 8 and sdsu/creighton. We couldn’t have hand picked a better route
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Alabama the most overrated overhyped team of the year.
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Let's go AZTECS!!
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Was waiting for someone to post this as I feel the pain will continue to grow the more upsets happen. Both 1 seeds are going down tonight. Our path could have been Fau in the elite 8 and sdsu/creighton. We couldn’t have hand picked a better route
Definitely an ideal path, but we would have had a tough time with KState. They played with a lot of swag last night.
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Bogus jump ball there.
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Quality defense
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This is going to be the first ever Elite 8 without a 1 seed.
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This is going to be the first ever Elite 8 without a 1 seed.
Wow!!
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Quinerly is gonna set a record for most times having a shot blocked in a game.
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Nate Oats is a complete idiot.
Who fouls down 2 with 46 seconds left when the other team is in the double bonus.
Immediately killed all momentum and lost the game. What an absolute moron.
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Brandon Miller needs to work on his shots.
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Brandon Miller needs to work on his shots.
Correct. No big-time deliveries tonight.
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SDSU/Creighton/FAU/Princeton or Kansas State will be playing for the national title.
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Love the physicality of this SDSU squad
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How many blocks does SDSU have on Quinerly?
And down goes another 1.
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SDSU/Creighton/FAU/Princeton or Kansas State will be playing for the national title.
I really think it would have been MU if we could have just beat Michigan State.
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This is going to be the first ever Elite 8 without a 1 seed.
This could be the first Elite 8 without a 1 OR 2 seed depending on what happens tonight.
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That young Steve Fischer protege has his team rolling with old school gritty D. Couldn’t have hated Alabama more after bag man B Miller “incident” happened
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I really think it would have been MU if we could have just beat Michigan State.
Stupid Izzo March magic.
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I’d love to see X take out the only remaining 2 seed.
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This could be the first Elite 8 without a 1 OR 2 seed depending on what happens tonight.
Indeed, you are correct.
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I really think it would have been MU if we could have just beat Michigan State.
There are fans of about 20 teams with similar “if only” scenarios.
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I would love 3 Big East teams in the Elite 8.
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Forgot I had KSU & Miami to make the Final Four futures (separate bets) from earlier this season. I also had MU and Rutgers.
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Princeton over Creighton? I can't see it.
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If Houston goes down almost all brackets are annihilated. KSU Miami should win u the pool pending this weekend
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Kelvin looks rather upset.
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I have Miami in the Final Four but otherwise my bracket is shreds.
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SDSU/Creighton/FAU/Princeton or Kansas State will be playing for the national title.
More like one of
SDSU/Creighton/Princeton
or
FAU/KState
will be playing for the national title.
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Princeton over Creighton? I can't see it.
Princeton over Arizona was tough to see. Princeton over Missouri was tough to see. Don’t count out the Tigers.
But I agree - I suspect Princeton’s run ends tonight
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Interesting nugget, teams with more experience are 6-0 so far in the Sweet 16 (I’m including Miami as a winner).
The two remaining games, Princeton & Xavier are the more experienced teams, fwiw.
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Houston was overrated. Put them in a P6 and they are a 6 or 7 seed. It’s a whole different ball game when you play 20+ P6 teams in a row.
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Princeton over Creighton? I can't see it.
Any other year, sure. Nothing is impossible this year. Except #1s in the elite 8.
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Yah …
MU REALLY blew their opportunity!
May never get a chance like this again.
Playing FAU to go to FF ? Sheez
No guarantees for next year. None
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Yah …
MU REALLY blew their opportunity!
May never get a chance like this again.
Playing FAU to go to FF ? Sheez
No guarantees for next year. None
it's extremely painful to watch this knowing how great our team was this season.
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Impossible. Houston’s the best - BY FAR!
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Miami brought the heat.
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Yah …
MU REALLY blew their opportunity!
May never get a chance like this again.
Playing FAU to go to FF ? Sheez
No guarantees for next year. None
Hyperbole.
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Miami brought the heat.
Wade and Butler would be proud.
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Absurd offensive foul on Kaluma.
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What is also amazing is that there are at least six conferences ( seven depending on Princeton/Creighton) represented in the Elite Eight.
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How many from the Big 10 and SEC combined?
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Get real …
It’s not hyperbole.
Maybe they have a similar year, win a ton of games and go to the FF w / a more veteran ( same ) team next year
Or … god forbid, there’s an injury or two ..,0r the chemistry is not as good. Or other things occur.
For example: NC .. coming off a FF, preseason top 5, returning almost the same team , and they miss the dance.
This year was a blown opportunity.
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The two remaining games, Princeton & Xavier are the more experienced teams, fwiw.
Wow, X has more experience than Texas? Texas has 6 seniors, 4 of which are 5th year guys.
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Wow, X has more experience than Texas? Texas has 6 seniors, 4 of which are 5th year guys.
https://twitter.com/mcmathketball/status/1639430588514828291?s=46&t=VztbU646aWRZESeDCVI8Eg
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Princeton hanging tough.
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https://twitter.com/mcmathketball/status/1639430588514828291?s=46&t=VztbU646aWRZESeDCVI8Eg
Where did MU fall on the experience spectrum?
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Princeton hanging tough.
I'd love to see them advance, why not
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https://twitter.com/mcmathketball/status/1639430588514828291?s=46&t=VztbU646aWRZESeDCVI8Eg
Right, must be looking at the entire roster. UT pretty much plays their seniors + Tyrese.
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I'd love to see them advance, why not
Agreed.
But what happened to the Jays' defense?
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Agreed.
But what happened to the Jays' defense?
Princeton is quick and, with the exception of Kalkbrenner, bigger.
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Agreed.
But what happened to the Jays' defense?
I don't get the hype with Kalkbrenner. He doesn't do much out there
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I don't get the hype with Kalkbrenner. He doesn't do much out there
Creighton is getting schooled right now. Zero defense.
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I don't get the hype with Kalkbrenner. He doesn't do much out there
Bwahahaha
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UConn is gonna win the title...
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Creighton is going to find their legs and win this I'm sure but I'd be perfectly content if they did not.
I know most cheer for the Big East but I just can't get there with all the Big East teams.
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Xavier shooting like they did at DePaul. Missing so many lay ups.
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Hyperbole.
Not really, injures, guys can plateau. This was the year.
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UConn is gonna win the title...
I'm thinking the same. They have so much size and strength inside plus outside shooting. I'm still wondering how Sanogo didn't destroy us.
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X does not look good early.
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UConn beating Creighton for the title would be ultimate kick in the groin.
Just like MU getting eliminated by UNC in the elite 8 next year.
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Bring this #20 kid from Princeton to Marquette.
He will be a coveted 5th yr transfer
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SDSU/Creighton/FAU/Princeton or Kansas State will be playing for the national title.
Pretty remarkable fact..just wild to think about one of those schools being in the National Championship. I'm going with K State as the favorite.
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UConn beating Creighton for the title would be ultimate kick in the groin.
Just like MU getting eliminated by UNC in the elite 8 next year.
Let's all just calm down. SDSU or the FAU Owls may very well cut the nets. 🦉
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Bring this #20 kid from Princeton to Marquette.
He will be a coveted 5th yr transfer
We already have a kid like this..Oso.
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Impossible. Houston’s the best - BY FAR!
Instead of offering any insightful commentary whatsoever, I’m just going to nit pick other people’s opinions.
They suffered the same fate Marquette did. Their point guard which makes their offense go was hampered and didn’t offer the same dynamic which made them special throughout the season.
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Dylan Disu injured, and out for the game for Texas. MVP of Big 12 Tourney. He was playing very well. Had 28 vs Penn St.
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We already have a kid like this..Oso.
Yup, he has a lot of similarities to Oso but he can step out and shoot.
What’s better than 1 Oso? Two of em
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Nunge is so inconsistent. Make a 2 footer.
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I will say it again, the last time I saw Xavier shoot like this, they lost at DePaul. Danger time for them.
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Instead of offering any insightful commentary whatsoever, I’m just going to nit pick other people’s opinions.
They suffered the same fate Marquette did. Their point guard which makes their offense go was hampered and didn’t offer the same dynamic which made them special throughout the season.
You were just so sure. It wasn’t enough to say they were real good or great or even the best. They had to be the best … by far. Was that proclamation by you “insightful commentary”?
Houston was a really good team. Good enough to win one more NCAA tournament game than Marquette did.
It’s OK. All of us have bad takes sometimes.
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You were just so sure. It wasn’t enough to say they were real good or great or even the best. They had to be the best … by far. Was that proclamation by you “insightful commentary”?
Houston was a really good team. Good enough to win one more NCAA tournament game than Marquette did.
It’s OK. All of us have bad takes sometimes.
Kind of like how poorly your posts about how bad of a coach Hurley is, evidenced by no March success.
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X is in serious trouble.
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X is in serious trouble.
I picked Texas to come out of this region, so plenty of time for X
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Texas doing exactly what MU did... Turn their shooters into drivers and the whole thing falls apart.
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You were just so sure. It wasn’t enough to say they were real good or great or even the best. They had to be the best … by far. Was that proclamation by you “insightful commentary”?
Houston was a really good team. Good enough to win one more NCAA tournament game than Marquette did.
It’s OK. All of us have bad takes sometimes.
Funny you never really posted anything until they lost in the elite 8 with their best player playing at much less than 100%. If you were so confident, I should’ve hurt much more from you this season…
I’d have much more respect for you if you had some conviction throughout instead of just acting like a smug pretty boy when it’s most convenient for you to be right.
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Funny you never really posted anything until they lost in the elite 8 with their best player playing at much less than 100%. If you were so confident, I should’ve hurt much more from you this season…
I’d have much more respect for you if you had some conviction throughout instead of just acting like a smug pretty boy when it’s most convenient for you to be right.
Jarace Walker was hurt?
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Funny you never really posted anything until they lost in the elite 8 with their best player playing at much less than 100%. If you were so confident, I should’ve hurt much more from you this season…
I’d have much more respect for you if you had some conviction throughout instead of just acting like a smug pretty boy when it’s most convenient for you to be right.
My conviction is that Houston wasn’t the best team, and I said it multiple times. Like after they lost at home to Temple months ago.
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Jarace Walker was hurt?
He's the highest upside guy, but Sasser made that team go. Best shooter on the team, took great care of the ball and defended the opponents best guard.
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My conviction is that Houston wasn’t the best team, and I said it multiple times. Like after they lost at home to Temple months ago.
I too will take the field every chance I get and then gloat when I'm right.
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X getting it to 11 was good. And then poof. Woof
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X getting it to 11 was good. And then poof. Woof
No idea why they rushed the ball in when Texas scored with 34 seconds left. Hold out until 30 on the clock and get the last shot.
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Creighton pulling away. Overrated Kalkbrenner already with 18.
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No idea why they rushed the ball in when Texas scored with 34 seconds left. Hold out until 30 on the clock and get the last shot.
Most teams are clueless in that situation.
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UCONN,Gonzaga, or Tex? I hate to say it but I assume one of them will cut the nets.
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UCONN,Gonzaga, or Tex? I hate to say it but I assume one of them will cut the nets.
At this moment, UConn or Texas. Maybe Creighton
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Princeton proving Murf wrong for the nth time. A zone can change a game.
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Beyond sad that MU laid an Emu egg.
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Beyond sad that MU laid an Emu egg.
How many thousand times are you going to make comments like this before you get over it?
MU was one of a couple dozen teams that were good enough to advance far in the tournament. Many of them have players with a lot more experience than MU had. Many of them have joined MU as spectators.
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How many thousand times are you going to make comments like this before you get over it?
MU was one of a couple dozen teams that were good enough to advance far in the tournament. Many of them have players with a lot more experience than MU had. Many of them have joined MU as spectators.
Absurd. A couple of dozen teams? I don't think so Blue. Aren't you the same person who stated Xavier seized control of 1st place in the conference when they won at UCONN?
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X needs to be at 10 at the 10 minute mark.
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X needs to be at 10 at the 10 minute mark.
Minimum. They're in trouble.
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Muggsy, with the way this tournament has played out, virtually every team with a 11 seed or better that is not in the elite 8 thinks they could have been.
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Muggsy, with the way this tournament has played out, virtually every team with a 11 seed or better that is not in the elite 8 thinks they could have been.
True but MU's A game is among the best in the country.
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X is dead.
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True but MU's A game is among the best in the country.
Moot.
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Congrats to Creighton.
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Princeton may have lost, but they’ll never have to go to Nebraska if they don’t want to, so, they still win
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Princeton may have lost, but they’ll never have to go to Nebraska if they don’t want to, so, they still win
True.
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Simply wild.
K-State-FAU
Miami-Texas
Creighton-SDSU
UConn-Zags
Worst ratings ever but still wild
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X is dead.
As Dennis Green woulda said, "They are who we thought they were."
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Simply wild.
K-State-FAU
Miami-Texas
Creighton-SDSU
UConn-Zags
Worst ratings ever but still wild
The UConn/Gonzaga winner will take it all.
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Simply wild.
K-State-FAU
Miami-Texas
Creighton-SDSU
UConn-Zags
Worst ratings ever but still wild
Looks like the NIL and transfer portal naysayers were right again. Nothing but blue bloods left over.
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Looks like the NIL and transfer portal naysayers were right again. Nothing but blue bloods left over.
Well said.
Let these kids earn a few bucks, and it'll be Carolina vs. Kentucky playing for the title every year!
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Looks like the NIL and transfer portal naysayers were right again. Nothing but blue bloods left over.
Once again, Billy and Chicos are wrong
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Bench Kunkel for the game
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Who would say that Xavier had a better season than Marquette because they made the Sweet 16 and that’s more important than regular season and conference tournament championships?
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Bench Kunkel for the game
Leg tattoos are sick
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Bench Kunkel for the game
He’s the only one that showed up for Xavier.
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Princeton may have lost, but they’ll never have to go to Nebraska if they don’t want to, so, they still win
plus they get a degree from Princeton. Double win.
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Princeton proving Murf wrong for the nth time. A zone can change a game.
what happened to Murf?
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He’s the only one that showed up for Xavier.
Dirtbag basketball, though. He should be mad at his teammates, not Texas
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Souley Boum was my fave non-MUBB Big East player this year. No show like Kolek. Disappointing
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Hard not to be envious of Creighton’s path. Ugh.
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Simply wild.
K-State-FAU
Miami-Texas
Creighton-SDSU
UConn-Zags
Worst ratings ever but still wild
Miami and San Diego State trying to become the first 5 seed to win the tournament.
Florida Atlantic trying to become the first 9 seed and lowest seed ever to win the tournament.
UConn trying to become the second 4 seed and Creighton trying to become the second 6 seed to win the tournament.
Besides UConn, has any of the other remaining teams won a national title?
Lots of history up for grabs in the coming ten days.
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Miami and San Diego State trying to become the first 5 seed to win the tournament.
Florida Atlantic trying to become the first 9 seed and lowest seed ever to win the tournament.
UConn trying to become the second 4 seed and Creighton trying to become the second 6 seed to win the tournament.
Besides UConn, has any of the other remaining teams won a national title?
Lots of history up for grabs in the coming ten days.
UConn is the only previous national champ left. I agree with whoever said it earlier, the winner between them or Gonzaga wins it all. UConn is the new number 1 KenPom team. Like Texas a lot, too
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I think UConn and Texas are the best teams left.
The left side of the bracket feels like they're playing for runner up. Would be an incredible Cinderella story for any of those teams to win the title.
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At this moment, UConn or Texas. Maybe Creighton
The 4 best teams remaining are on the right side of the bracket.
Texas
Miami
UConn
Gonzaga
Creighton can cut down the nets though because they have a cakewalk compared to the right side.
Though they will have a tough rematch with SDSU from the 1st round last year where Creighton won in OT. Kaluma's brother plays for SDSU. Should be fun.
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Who would say that Xavier had a better season than Marquette because they made the Sweet 16 and that’s more important than regular season and conference tournament championships?
Exactly. I’m a big March guy but no way I’d trade our season for Xavier’s.
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The 4 best teams remaining are on the right side of the bracket.
Texas
Miami
UConn
Gonzaga
Creighton can cut down the nets though because they have a cakewalk compared to the right side.
Though they will have a tough rematch with SDSU from the 1st round last year where Creighton won in OT. Kaluma's brother plays for SDSU. Should be fun.
Miami is hot but are they really better than the 4 on the left side. I don’t think so.
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Miami is hot but are they really better than the 4 on the left side. I don’t think so.
I believe so. They have athletes, can defend, have a ton of shooters, and a bruising rebounder. Nicely constructed roster. The long athletes that can shoot make such a difference. So hard to guard.
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Who would say that Xavier had a better season than Marquette because they made the Sweet 16 and that’s more important than regular season and conference tournament championships?
Totally understand what you're saying, and I certainly wouldn't take Xavier's season even though they made the Sweet 16 and we fell one win shy of that.
But there's a line somewhere, right? Creighton's in the Elite Eight now. We beat them twice and won the Big East, but would most consider our season now to have been "better"? How about if Creighton and/or UConn get to the Final Four but then lose? Is our season better than either of theirs because we won the Big East?
How about if we hadn't been able to avoid the upset bug and had lost to Vermont in the NCAAT opener? How proud do you think Purdue fans are about their Big 14 champs now?
It's an interesting discussion ... and one none of us wish we were having!
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Get real …
It’s not hyperbole.
Maybe they have a similar year, win a ton of games and go to the FF w / a more veteran ( same ) team next year
Or … god forbid, there’s an injury or two ..,0r the chemistry is not as good. Or other things occur.
For example: NC .. coming off a FF, preseason top 5, returning almost the same team , and they miss the dance.
This year was a blown opportunity.
You realize there’s a distinct difference between a blown opportunity and never getting “this chance again”, right?
As I said, hyperbole, Biff. If Shaka is the guy, and he sure as sh*t appears to be, this isn’t our last chance to go to a Final Four or better.
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Not really, injures, guys can plateau. This was the year.
LOL.
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Totally understand what you're saying, and I certainly wouldn't take Xavier's season even though they made the Sweet 16 and we fell one win shy of that.
But there's a line somewhere, right? Creighton's in the Elite Eight now. We beat them twice and won the Big East, but would most consider our season now to have been "better"? How about if Creighton and/or UConn get to the Final Four but then lose? Is our season better than either of theirs because we won the Big East?
How about if we hadn't been able to avoid the upset bug and had lost to Vermont in the NCAAT opener? How proud do you think Purdue fans are about their Big 14 champs now?
It's an interesting discussion ... and one none of us wish we were having!
There is a line, but I think it takes going at least to the Final Four to cross it, and I’m not sure it doesn’t go all the way to winning the title.
I think the past, and especially recent, history of the program makes a big difference too.
Marquette is not Kansas or Duke or Kentucky or Gonzaga where conference titles come with regularity and only winning the national title makes the season special. For some of those programs just making the Final Four doesn’t generate a big celebration.
Anything other than winning the title is going to leave fans with some feeling of “What could have been”. It just comes a little later.
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Totally understand what you're saying, and I certainly wouldn't take Xavier's season even though they made the Sweet 16 and we fell one win shy of that.
But there's a line somewhere, right? Creighton's in the Elite Eight now. We beat them twice and won the Big East, but would most consider our season now to have been "better"? How about if Creighton and/or UConn get to the Final Four but then lose? Is our season better than either of theirs because we won the Big East?
How about if we hadn't been able to avoid the upset bug and had lost to Vermont in the NCAAT opener? How proud do you think Purdue fans are about their Big 14 champs now?
It's an interesting discussion ... and one none of us wish we were having!
Why does one have to put more weight on the other? It was a great season and appreciate Marquette providing us extra games to watch in the tournament. Much better than a short season with early exits in the tournaments.
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Funny you never really posted anything until they lost in the elite 8 with their best player playing at much less than 100%. If you were so confident, I should’ve hurt much more from you this season…
I’d have much more respect for you if you had some conviction throughout instead of just acting like a smug pretty boy when it’s most convenient for you to be right.
Yeah, good thing MU82 didn't say anything about Houston possibly losing early.
I'm not gonna get snarky with you, just gonna implore you to look around at what's happening in the Big East and all of college hoops.
Even the top programs are losing to theoretically lesser teams or squeaking out close wins. I mean, if Houston has an early exit, the sign was there in their home loss to Temple
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Yeah, good thing MU82 didn't say anything about Houston possibly losing early.
Fair enough - I do my best to quickly scroll past all of his posts so I probably missed this one.
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Fair enough - I do my best to quickly scroll past all of his posts so I probably missed this one.
Houston was clearly one of the best teams in the nation this year but weren’t 2012 Kentucky or even 2018 Villanova.
They played one of their worst games last night. Miami did a heckuva job on the glass, particularly limiting Houston to only 9 offensive boards. That’s what impressed me most about Miami last night.
The good news for Houston is, the move to the Big XII will probably hurt their overall record moving forward but should test them more before the dance
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Houston was clearly one of the best teams in the nation this year but weren’t 2012 Kentucky or even 2018 Villanova.
They played one of their worst games last night. Miami did a heckuva job on the glass, particularly limiting Houston to only 9 offensive boards. That’s what impressed me most about Miami last night.
The good news for Houston is, the move to the Big XII will probably hurt their overall record moving forward but should test them more before the dance
To that point, there wasn’t a dominate team this year so I truly believed that a team with their guard play, athleticism, rebounding strengths and coaching could’ve taken that leap. They just never got the offense humming like I thought it could and the sasser injury down the stretch didn’t help.
As for Miami, I can’t believe the impact Omier had this year. Didn’t miss a beat transferring and turned Miami into the team it is today.
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To that point, there wasn’t a dominate team this year so I truly believed that a team with their guard play, athleticism, rebounding strengths and coaching could’ve taken that leap. They just never got the offense humming like I thought it could and the sasser injury down the stretch didn’t help.
As for Miami, I can’t believe the impact Omier had this year. Didn’t miss a beat transferring and turned Miami into the team it is today.
Yeah, I get the concept behind good guard play and they had it for sure. The offense was always a concern to me, even with the guard play. That’s why I was surprised it was the defense that ended up letting them down. Single-elimination tourneys are cruel
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Yeah, I get the concept behind good guard play and they had it for sure. The offense was always a concern to me, even with the guard play. That’s why I was surprised it was the defense that ended up letting them down. Single-elimination tourneys are cruel
Agreed
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4.6 is the average seed of the 8 teams remaining. We were so caught up in getting that 2 seed, yet all the #1s are gone and 3 of the 4 #2s are gone. Goes to show that seed doesn’t really matter (at least this year). Just get to the tourney and then play well
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Really looking forward to the UConn/Gonzaga game today. The Timme/Sanogo matchup is gonna be fascinating to watch.
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Really looking forward to the UConn/Gonzaga game today. The Timme/Sanogo matchup is gonna be fascinating to watch.
Neither will be able to stop the other.
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Neither will be able to stop the other.
Gonzaga didn't shoot it great from three Thursday and UConn did. If both find the mean I think Gonzaga gets them.
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Why does one have to put more weight on the other? It was a great season and appreciate Marquette providing us extra games to watch in the tournament. Much better than a short season with early exits in the tournaments.
Totally fair. There had been some what/if discussions, so that's where this came from, but you're exactly right.
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Gonzaga didn't shoot it great from three Thursday and UConn did. If both find the mean I think Gonzaga gets them.
Sorry. I was referring to the Timme / Sanogo matchup when I said neither could stop the other.
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To that point, there wasn’t a dominate team this year so I truly believed that a team with their guard play, athleticism, rebounding strengths and coaching could’ve taken that leap. They just never got the offense humming like I thought it could and the sasser injury down the stretch didn’t help.
Except you said, repeatedly, that Houston was THE dominant team. Not even just the best, but the best by far! And when you got some pushback, especially on the "by far" part -- and not just from me -- you doubled and tripled down.
Look, you had a hot take that proved to be a not very good one. It happens to pretty much everyone here. If you own it -- instead of making excuses about it and/or fibbing about what others said at the time -- others will stop bringing it up.
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Except you said, repeatedly, that Houston was THE dominant team. Not even just the best, but the best by far! And when you got some pushback, especially on the "by far" part -- and not just from me -- you doubled and tripled down.
Look, you had a hot take that proved to be a not very good one. It happens to pretty much everyone here. If you own it -- instead of making excuses about it and/or fibbing about what others said at the time -- others will stop bringing it up.
I thought they could and they didn’t. Go back to the hauser thread.
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I thought they could and they didn’t. Go back to the hauser thread.
Attaboy.
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Attaboy.
Looking forward to your next interesting post. I’ll check back in a few years.
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Looking forward to your next interesting post. I’ll check back in a few years.
Attaboy.
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I know a lot of you are gonna be surprised, because I obviously love Nowell l. but the Owls are going to win this game and go to the F4. It's a win/win either way but I prefer not to trifle with the mighty 🦉 species.
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Wow.....big-time throw down there.
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Jerome Tang was an assistant to Scott Drew at Baylor for 2 decades before getting his first college head-coaching job at K-State. Did no P6 program show interest in him in all that time, or was it Roy-like and Izzo-like patience on Tang’s part?
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Jerome Tang was an assistant to Scott Drew at Baylor for 2 decades before getting his first college head-coaching job at K-State. Did no P6 program show interest in him in all that time, or was it Roy-like and Izzo-like patience on Tang’s part?
Good question. Racism?
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Good grief - K-State has a 25 year old on their team as well. This is beyond ridiculous.
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FAU is a really fun team to watch. 4 smalls. Parr of the reason I think they have a great chance today is they have great team quickness and K.State cannot just isolate Nowell.
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Nowell is a special player. I don't think he can make the NBA but he's a heck of a ball player.
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I'm not sure MU could have beaten either of these teams, hey?
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Nowell is a special player. I don't think he can make the NBA but he's a heck of a ball player.
He’s crazy good - there’s gotta be a league somewhere that he can play in. Hopefully Shaka shows his highlight reel to Sean.
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“They say he who hesitates finishes last.” - Jim Jackson
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He’s crazy good - there’s gotta be a league somewhere that he can play in. Hopefully Shaka shows his highlight reel to Sean.
If there's a league for #0, there's a league for #1, aina?
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Hellofa game, hey?
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I'm not sure MU could have beaten either of these teams, hey?
Of course they could have.
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Highly entertaining game. That FAU roster is young btw.
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Highly entertaining game. That FAU roster is young btw.
They won’t be a 9 seed next year.
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Of course they could have.
Yessir. I’m not “sure” we’d have beaten either team, but I’m also not sure we’d have lost to them.
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I'm not sure MU could have beaten either of these teams, hey?
They could have most certainly beaten both.
Everything KState does is predicated by Nowell. Marquette matches with Stevie and a similar sized Sean Jones.
Great matchup for Marquette, but alas it doesn't matter.
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🦉 🦉
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Nowell is really talented but he’s been doing way too much 1-on-1. Ball is stopping at him.
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Yup. Desperation time, and he's in Markus Mode.
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Big--time triple from Nowell.
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Yup. Desperation time, and he's in Markus Mode.
Not sure anyone else on K-State has touched the ball in the last 5 minutes.
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FAU is another team that highlights the crapshoot nature of the NCAA tournament in the age of parity.
They need a late basket to escape the first round then get the 1 seed cleared out of the way so they get a 16 in round 2. They’re a hair away from being sent home early and suddenly they’re in the Sweet 16.
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FAU is another team that highlights the crapshoot nature of the NCAA tournament in the age of parity.
They need a late basket to escape the first round then get the 1 seed cleared out of the way so they get a 16 in round 2. They’re a hair away from being sent home early and suddenly they’re in the Sweet 16.
And I think MU torches either of these teams with a healthy Kolek.
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K-State making us look like a dominant rebounding team. 😳
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Nowell is really talented but he’s been doing way too much 1-on-1. Ball is stopping at him.
And he just keeps doing it.
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Wow. Incredible triple there. Heck of a game.
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Wow. Incredible triple there. Heck of a game.
That felt like a Jamil Wilson against Davidson shot.
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FAU is another team that highlights the crapshoot nature of the NCAA tournament in the age of parity.
They need a late basket to escape the first round then get the 1 seed cleared out of the way so they get a 16 in round 2. They’re a hair away from being sent home early and suddenly they’re in the Sweet 16.
Cut the bcrap Blue. FAU is a solid team.
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Something tells me FAUs coach will get poached very quickly
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Cut the bcrap Blue. FAU is a solid team.
Why so salty?
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Why so salty?
I'm not salty. I just feel a 33 win team deserves credit.
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#1 had an open 3 at the top of the key he passed up. That was a mistake, hey?
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I'm not salty. I just feel a 33 win team deserves credit.
They definitely do, but the larger point is also true - heck, Creighton just beat a 15 seed to get to the round of 8.
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#1 had an open 3 at the top of the key he passed up. That was a mistake, hey?
Certainly weird last two possessions. Suddenly Nowell didn't want to shoot.
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Wow. Tremendous win for the 🦉 🦉 🦉.
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Nowell chucked shots all game and then decided not to on the last 2 possessions.
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FAU has been higher in KenPom for a while now. They’ve been very good all year.
📞
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Dusty May didn’t foul up 3.
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Certainly weird last two possessions. Suddenly Nowell didn't want to shoot.
There is some luck involved draw wise but FAU is 34-3. They're an excellent team and deserves major props.
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They completely outplayed Tennessee. They certainly have a shot.
Good call Muggs.
Keyontae Johnson had a terrible game, thought Tang should have benched him more. Alas...
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Nowell chucked shots all game and then decided not to on the last 2 possessions.
That was a bit perplexing.
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Nowell chucked shots all game and then decided not to on the last 2 possessions.
He was 8 for 21 and 1/3 of his points came from foul line. Some terrible shots at the end. Cameras didn’t go to his brother at end?
Good for FAU. Like these stories, good for basketball.
Not as good as 11 seed George Mason in 2006, who beat Michigan St., North Carolina, Wich St and UConn, but a great run.
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Something tells me FAUs coach will get poached very quickly
He gowne, aina?
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Cut the bcrap Blue. FAU is a solid team.
I didn’t say they weren’t a solid team. There are a couple dozen or more solid teams in the tournament. Several of them get eliminated early in close games and others advance. Is Memphis not a solid team because they lost to FAU by one point on a last second shot?
The more games I see in this tournament, the more I think that if you started the tournament over again you might get a quite different Elite 8.
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I didn’t say they weren’t a solid team. There are a couple dozen or more solid teams in the tournament. Several of them get eliminated early in close games and others advance. Is Memphis not a solid team because they lost to FAU by one point on a last second shot?
That's possible but FAU is 34-3 for a reason.. You can't teach quickness Blue, IVe mentioned this for 15 years. They're a great story and deserve to be in the F4.
The more games I see in this tournament, the more I think that if you started the tournament over again you might get a quite different Elite 8.
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Thought I was watching M. Howard, until the end when Howard would not have given up the ball!
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I see Hurley trying to get his guys to run with Gonzaga. That will not end well. Zags roll
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I think UConn wins easily tonight and wins the whole thing.
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I think UConn wins easily tonight and wins the whole thing.
Agreed. They look much better than the Zags early.
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I think UConn wins easily tonight and wins the whole thing.
And we beat them 2/3. Tremendously upsetting.
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Something tells me FAUs coach will get poached very quickly
his record outside of this year isn’t that great. But, yes, he’ll be a hot commodity. But I don’t think it’s justified
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his record outside of this year isn’t that great. But, yes, he’ll be a hot commodity. But I don’t think it’s justified
What current open jobs is he jumping to?
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Gonzaga must beat UConn tonight. I can't handle another game of Sanogo officiating.
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They won’t be a 9 seed next year.
Because they won't make the tournament after their coach gets poached and most if their team transfers?
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Why doesn't Fiserv host a S16/E8? Ty.
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Sanogo having a heckuva game so far. Dropping dimes like Oso.
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I think UConn wins easily tonight and wins the whole thing.
Agreed.
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Why doesn't Fiserv host a S16/E8? Ty.
Pronouns
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Timme may have just decided the game for UConn. Dumb play on that third foul.
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Zags in serious, serious trouble. Second half couldn’t have started worse for them.
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Timme! And not in a good way.
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I see John Gaffney doing John Gaffney things.
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There's a lot of time left in this gane but keep in mind Marquette won 2/3 again UCONN.
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Blouses
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There's a lot of time left in this gane but keep in mind Marquette won 2/3 again UCONN.
And? It was a great season. MU had 29 wonderful wins. MSU beat MU.
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And? It was a great season. MU had 29 wonderful wins. MSU beat MU.
What the hell does that have to do with Mugsy’s comment? We did take 2 of 3 from them which is pretty damn impressive cuz they’re really good.
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2 of the 29 great wins.
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What the hell does that have to do with Mugsy’s comment? We did take 2 of 3 from them which is pretty damn impressive cuz they’re really good.
it had zero to do with my comment. But simply reiterates how good our team was all season.
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No one’s beating UConn. They are crazy good. showed it early on and dominated bama. They had some bizzare slump at some point but that’s over now
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No one’s beating UConn. They are crazy good. showed it early on and dominated bama. They had some bizzare slump at some point but that’s over now
But yet we won 2/3.
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I see Hurley trying to get his guys to run with Gonzaga. That will not end well. Zags roll
Good call
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God they're gonna be even more insufferable.
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God they're gonna be even more insufferable.
Who? UCONN people?
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And we beat them twice. Go Marquette!
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UCONN should stop jacking 3s up 30 with 5 minutes left
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Jackson got hurt. Clear the bench, Danny. I think you got this one.
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UCONN should stop jacking 3s up 30 with 5 minutes left
It's a little bizarre judge.
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3/2 zone and Sanogo can’t make a bunny
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Love the shout out from Hurley about B-East being the toughest conference in the country….When we play non conference we look like the best team in the country. I hope all of this serves as motivation for MU!!! Future is bright for MU!!!
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Uconn is the class of the big east. We anointed ourselves the next Villanova but I think this tournament has proven otherwise. I hope clingen and Hawkins declare cuz holy crap...
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It’s going to be an all Big East final
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I see Hurley trying to get his guys to run with Gonzaga. That will not end well. Zags roll
You were the Houston stan, ya?
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He was 8 for 21 and 1/3 of his points came from foul line. Some terrible shots at the end. Cameras didn’t go to his brother at end?
Good for FAU. Like these stories, good for basketball.
Not as good as 11 seed George Mason in 2006, who beat Michigan St., North Carolina, Wich St and UConn, but a great run.
The thing to remember about the George Mason run in 2006 was that they got to play the Sweet 16 and Elite 8 games in Washington, DC - about 5 miles from their campus, It's one of the largest state schools in Virginia and their fans flocked to the games and those of other teams that lost adopted. They had more of a home court advantage than any team in the last 20 years in the NCAA tournament. Absolutely great run but aided by a huge crowd advantage both of those games.
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It’s going to be an all Big East final
No it’s not.
Uconn is the class of the big east. We anointed ourselves the next Villanova but I think this tournament has proven otherwise. I hope clingen and Hawkins declare cuz holy crap...
Is Clingen declaring for the G League Ignite?
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I know we MU beat UConn twice this season, but they did not beat this UConn. This version had little trouble with MU when we played in CT. UConn deserves being in the FF, and IMO, they were the most talented team in the BE this year.
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You were the Houston stan, ya?
Lol - Hurley actually was able to slow the game down. Kudos
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It’s going to be an all Big East final
Possible. Would be great for the conference and the next TV contract.
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I know we MU beat UConn twice this season, but they did not beat this UConn. This version had little trouble with MU when we played in CT. UConn deserves being in the FF, and IMO, they were the most talented team in the BE this year.
Agreed. UConn is hitting their stride with the best talent in the conference.
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I know we MU beat UConn twice this season, but they did not beat this UConn. This version had little trouble with MU when we played in CT. UConn deserves being in the FF, and IMO, they were the most talented team in the BE this year.
This is true. MU had a magnificent season, but for a long stretch of the conference play, UConn played under their talent level while MU exceeded theirs.
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MU was better than UCONN as the Huskies don't have a point guard. If they can grab an early lead, they can grind you down to dust like they did to MU in Hartford, however. The UCONN v MU BET game was the best college game I saw this season, btw.
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MU was better than UCONN as the Huskies don't have a point guard. If they can grab an early lead, they can grind you down to dust like they did to MU in Hartford, however. The UCONN v MU BET game was the best college game I saw this season, btw.
Tristan newton is definitely their Pg. Andre Jackson also great at spreading the floor.
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Lol - Hurley actually was able to slow the game down. Kudos
LOL - the game was up and down from start to finish. UConn ran them off the court.
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Tristan newton is definitely their Pg. Andre Jackson also great at spreading the floor.
They are combo guards with high turnover rates.
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LOL - the game was up and down from start to finish. UConn ran them off the court.
It was 30-25 at the under 4 timeout in the first half. UConn did a great job of dictating tempo in the first half. Then Timme picks up his third and subsequently fourth foul early in the second half and then UConn ran them off the floor.
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Tristan newton is definitely their Pg. Andre Jackson also great at spreading the floor.
Don’t want to be confrontational and we might just have different definitions of spreading the floor, but I would say that Jackson has the opposite effect of spreading the floor. His inability to shoot tends to clog the lane and I believe is one of UConn’s few true weaknesses.
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I know we MU beat UConn twice this season, but they did not beat this UConn. This version had little trouble with MU when we played in CT. UConn deserves being in the FF, and IMO, they were the most talented team in the BE this year.
I disagree. UConn throttled Providence in the BET. Marquette matched their level in the BET semifinal. The problem was Marquette didn't maintain that level in the NCAA tournament.
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They are combo guards with high turnover rates.
In what world does a bad turnover rate disqualify you from being a PG. Newton is definitely their PG. He just makes boneheaded decision which leads to turnovers.
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Don’t want to be confrontational and we might just have different definitions of spreading the floor, but I would say that Jackson has the opposite effect of spreading the floor. His inability to shoot tends to clog the lane and I believe is one of UConn’s few true weaknesses.
Jackson isn’t a PG. He’s a good passer, moves well without the ball and is smart with his spacing. That all helps.
The lane clogs sometimes with them because they play with two very traditional bigs. They have Hawkins who is one of the better shooters in the country and calcaterra to spread the floor.
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I know we MU beat UConn twice this season, but they did not beat this UConn. This version had little trouble with MU when we played in CT. UConn deserves being in the FF, and IMO, they were the most talented team in the BE this year.
I believe we did in the BET. Absolute battle that could have gone either way. MU was that good, we just didn’t play like it in the big tourney.
As for UConn, teams always look better when shots are falling. They have it going on all cylinders right now, and I thought their game plan was exceptional last night with Sanogo dropping passes to baseline cutters. Really impressive.
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In what world does a bad turnover rate disqualify you from being a PG. Newton is definitely their PG. He just makes boneheaded decision which leads to turnovers.
Nobody said such a thing. The question is how MU beat them? The answer is MU pressured their guards before UCONN could could get into their half court sets because "he makes boneheaded decisions which leads to turnovers": A 6'5" combo guard who plays PG.
That's not taking away anything from their combo guards. They are tough and play well in that system away from the Big East, but ballhandling isn't their strength.
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Nobody said such a thing. The question is how MU beat them? The answer is MU pressured their guards before UCONN could could get into their half court sets because "he makes boneheaded decisions which leads to turnovers": A 6'5" combo guard who plays PG.
That's not taking away anything from their combo guards. They are tough and play well in that system away from the Big East, but ballhandling isn't their strength.
Tristan newton plays point for them. He doesn’t look like mateen cleaves, but I don’t know what to tell you if you don’t think he’s their point guard.
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It was 30-25 at the under 4 timeout in the first half. UConn did a great job of dictating tempo in the first half. Then Timme picks up his third and subsequently fourth foul early in the second half and then UConn ran them off the floor.
UConn was #211 in tempo going in, Gonzaga was #39. The game was uptempo throughout (Gonzaga pace)and the faster it got the worse it became for the Zags. Period.
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UConn was #211 in tempo going in, Gonzaga was #39. The game was uptempo throughout (Gonzaga pace)and the faster it got the worse it became for the Zags. Period.
UConn slowed it down a ton with Timme on the floor and then with Timme in foul trouble they got out in the open floor.
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Jackson isn’t a PG. He’s a good passer, moves well without the ball and is smart with his spacing. That all helps.
The lane clogs sometimes with them because they play with two very traditional bigs. They have Hawkins who is one of the better shooters in the country and calcaterra to spread the floor.
Agree to disagree. They don’t play the two bigs together very often if at all. Their fans actually complain about it quite a bit. The lane clogs because Jackson’s man never leaves the lane and often doubles the post. With a traditional back to the basket 5 always on the court and Jackson’s man sagging it gets pretty cramped in there.
The mistake a lot of non conference teams make is they defend him when he flashes to the ball. Marquette never did. They just let him catch it. Now what.
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UConn was #211 in tempo going in, Gonzaga was #39. The game was uptempo throughout (Gonzaga pace)and the faster it got the worse it became for the Zags. Period.
Once panda has established his position, he isn't going to let facts trump his need to be right.
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Tristan newton plays point for them. He doesn’t look like mateen cleaves, but I don’t know what to tell you if you don’t think he’s their point guard.
Playing the PG position and being a PG can be 2 different things.
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Playing the PG position and being a PG can be 2 different things.
When is a point guard not a point guard? Even if he is listed as a point guard ?
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When is a point guard not a point guard? Even if he is listed as a point guard ?
Markus Howard and Andrew Rowsey.
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UConn slowed it down a ton with Timme on the floor and then with Timme in foul trouble they got out in the open floor.
That was the fastest paced game UConn has played in a month and the only higher tempo games they've played this calendar year were against St John's.
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When Timme was in the game, Sanogo and even Clingan were beating him down the floor. UConn did whatever they wanted out there most of the night, and the Zags were helpless because they shot 10% on 3s vs their usual 39%. When UConn's shots started falling, it really was over.
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When Timme was in the game, Sanogo and even Clingan were beating him down the floor. UConn did whatever they wanted out there most of the night, and the Zags were helpless because they shot 10% on 3s vs their usual 39%. When UConn's shots started falling, it really was over.
Exactly - it’s not a coincidence that both times we beat UConn, Hawkins had a bad game.
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That was the fastest paced game UConn has played in a month and the only higher tempo games they've played this calendar year were against St John's.
Can you see how many possessions there were in the first half while Timme was still playing ? The game was totally different when Timme picked up his fourth foul and sat for a long stretch of the second half.
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Markus Howard and Andrew Rowsey.
John dodds would agree with you. That’s never a good spot to be in.
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Can you see how many possessions there were in the first half while Timme was still playing ? The game was totally different when Timme picked up his fourth foul and sat for a long stretch of the second half.
Zags roll ... by far.
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Stick a fork in SDSU.
They have 0 answer for Kalkbrenner.
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Creighton already getting a favorable whistle.
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Not that I should be surprised about it, but I can't get over how much Brian Dutcher looks and (especially) sounds like his father did.
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Good 16 mins for both teams. I think if you're Creighton they have to be surprised they are only up four. SDSU has been very efficient offensively the last 5 minutes. They have no answer for Kalky. The question is will Creighton keep feeding him, will the Aztecs double, or do you let him get his and still find a way to win?
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Good 16 mins for both teams. I think if you're Creighton they have to be surprised they are only up four. SDSU has been very efficient offensively the last 5 minutes. They have no answer for Kalky. The question is will Creighton keep feeding me, will the Aztecs double, or do you let him get his and still find a way to win?
Several poor offensive possessions in a row for Creighton.
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San Diego St with an effective mid-range game. I thought that was bad basketball strategy?
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Zags roll ... by far.
What’s the last prediction you made ? Or do you just like feeling good about yourself pointing out when other people are wrong?
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San Diego St with an effective mid-range game. I thought that was bad basketball strategy?
It is, but doesn’t mean it can’t work. Both things can be true
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San Diego St with an effective mid-range game. I thought that was bad basketball strategy?
Yep. Not a lot of triples in this one for either team.
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San Diego St with an effective mid-range game. I thought that was bad basketball strategy?
It is. They are horrible offensively.
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Clearly, Shaka and Nevada are idiots who need to be replaced with coaches who emphasize the mid-range jumper.
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What’s the last prediction you made ? Or do you just like feeling good about yourself pointing out when other people are wrong?
Before the Texas-Xavier game.
Texas is simply the better team. I don't bet, but if I did the 4-point spread looks pretty inviting.
I got lucky on that one, but I make bad predictions all the time, as all of us do here. I mean, my bracket was a dumpster fire. But when making predictions I rarely use terms like "by far" ... and if I'm proved very, very wrong, I don't double-down, triple-down or quadruple-down on them. I admit I was wrong.
I actually ignored your "Zags roll" post until, again, you couldn't just admit that you were wrong.
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Can you see how many possessions there were in the first half while Timme was still playing ? The game was totally different when Timme picked up his fourth foul and sat for a long stretch of the second half.
They didn't publish full by half stats, but there were fewer FGA in the second half, indicating the first half might've been played slightly faster.
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They didn't publish full by half stats, but there were fewer FGA in the second half, indicating the first half might've been played slightly faster.
Just by the eye test, UConn blitzed gonzaga in the second half. Gonzaga didnt get a ton of shots up for long stretches without Timme. First half was a slog.
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Before the Texas-Xavier game.
I got lucky on that one, but I make bad predictions all the time, as all of us do here. I mean, my bracket was a dumpster fire. But when making predictions I rarely use terms like "by far" ... and if I'm proved very, very wrong, I don't double-down, triple-down or quadruple-down on them. I admit I was wrong.
I actually ignored your "Zags roll" post until, again, you couldn't just admit that you were wrong.
I did - buddy you’re worse than dodds trying to police your own value set.
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San Diego St with an effective mid-range game. I thought that was bad basketball strategy?
...(checks score)...(SDST down by 5)....
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Creighton's offense has been dreadful these first 6 minutes.
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No Mensah = big trouble for sdsu. Creighton getting inside w ease
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I hope Kalkbrenner didn’t hurt his hand pounding in the floor.
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I hope Kalkbrenner didn’t hurt his hand pounding in the floor.
It doesn't appear he did ... but it looks like Nembhard hurt his hand or wrist playing basketball.
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San Diego State has to be one of the worst shooting teams I’ve seen in this tournament.
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San Diego State has to be one of the worst shooting teams I’ve seen in this tournament.
It's not their forte, that's for sure.
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San Diego State has to be one of the worst shooting teams I’ve seen in this tournament.
Your eyes do not deceive you. They’re one of the worst outside the tourney, too
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Good flagrant call against Kalkbrenner.
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Wow....F-1?
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I unfortunately feel like SDSU is going to win this game. I hope I'm dead wrong but Creighton didn't take advantage up 8.
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When’s it gonna us ya know?
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Between SDSU offensive rebounds and offensive officiating, I worry about Creighton.
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Good flagrant call against Kalkbrenner.
I agree, but it made me wonder a bit on plays like that. They were both hooking/holding each other.
I like the call, because it did look like Kalkbrenner tried to take him down, but how do you determine in general who hooked/held the other?
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Kalky has to finish that.
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I have never seen a more incapable offense than San Diego State...and I watched Marquette score 39 points in the 2013 Elite 8.
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Their offense is offensive rebounding.
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I have never seen a more incapable offense than San Diego State...and I watched Marquette score 39 points in the 2013 Elite 8.
https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/boxscores/1999-03-12-missouri-state.html
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First to 50?
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Officiating letting San Diego State get away with a lot on defense.
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This is ugly. We don't want to see SDSU in the F4.
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All one wants is for the definition of a foul to be the same at both ends.
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I have never seen a more incapable offense than San Diego State...and I watched Marquette score 39 points in the 2013 Elite 8.
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/game/_/gameId/400504464
I was there. I still try to forget.
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SDSU getting way better looks these last couple of minutes and it shows in the score. CU needs to run some better offense or time to warm up the bus.
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All one wants is for the definition of a foul to be the same at both ends.
The one I've been surprised with is San Diego State being allowed to put two hands on players in the post and shove them in the back to move them away from the hoop, or arm-bar them in the lower back and push them out.
That has typically always been a foul.
It is really messing with Creighton's bigs in the post.
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SDSU getting way better looks these last couple of minutes and it shows in the score. CU needs to run some better offense or time to warm up the bus.
Agreed.
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I agree, but it made me wonder a bit on plays like that. They were both hooking/holding each other.
I like the call, because it did look like Kalkbrenner tried to take him down, but how do you determine in general who hooked/held the other?
I determine it the same way the refs did -- by looking at the replay 20 times and seeing it was Kalkbrenner who hooked the SDSU player and threw him to the ground. Neither he nor McDermott argued about it after seeing the replay.
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I’ve tried rooting for the conference. I can’t root for CU
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I determine it the same way the refs did -- by looking at the replay 20 times and seeing it was Kalkbrenner who hooked the SDSU player and threw him to the ground. Neither he nor McDermott argued about it after seeing the replay.
Not in disagreement at all.
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Attacking Kaluma on the block like he is Joey Hauser.
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Man, Creighton can't get the ball to drop.
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lol fau Sdsu final four
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Creighton fan can't be thrilled right now.
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Would this be the 1st time 2 mid-majors make the final 4?
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lol fau Sdsu final four
The🦉 🦉 🦉 are at least fun to watch.
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Wow, just wow!
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Wow.
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Was out for a bike ride all day. Checked Scoop during a break and saw we could stick a fork in SDSU 25 real minutes into the game. Didn’t think I had to think about this game after that. To my surprise I turned it on with SDSU up 2 with the ball and 33 seconds left.
Heck of a terrible inbound play set up there.
Heck of a terrible decision to foul just to foul by McD there. Now you guarantee SDSU gets the last shot, and if you do foul now SDSU goes to the line. If a guy turns the corner on you yes, take the foul to give. Otherwise defend and get the ball with 3 seconds left regardless.
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Would this be the 1st time 2 mid-majors make the final 4?
2015
Heck of a terrible decision to foul just to foul by McD there. Now you guarantee SDSU gets the last shot, and if you do foul now SDSU goes to the line. If a guy turns the corner on you yes, take the foul to give. Otherwise defend and get the ball with 3 seconds left regardless.
Totally agree. Brutal.
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Was out for a bike ride all day. Checked Scoop during a break and saw we could stick a fork in SDSU 25 real minutes into the game. Didn’t think I had to think about this game after that. To my surprise I turned it on with SDSU up 2 with the ball and 33 seconds left.
Heck of a terrible inbound play set up there.
Heck of a terrible decision to foul just to foul by McD there. Now you guarantee SDSU gets the last shot, and if you do foul now SDSU goes to the line. If a guy turns the corner on you yes, take the foul to give. Otherwise defend and get the ball with 3 seconds left regardless.
I thought the same about this.
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Heck of a terrible decision to foul just to foul by McD there. Now you guarantee SDSU gets the last shot, and if you do foul now SDSU goes to the line. If a guy turns the corner on you yes, take the foul to give. Otherwise defend and get the ball with 3 seconds left regardless.
Especially considering how poor SDSU's offense has been today.
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Oh....boy.
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Definite foul.
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Definite foul.
Agree. Shocked he had the guts to call it
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Idiotic play from nembhard. That’s getting called
Every time. Way to cost ur team a final four clown
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I can't believe they called that. Incredibly soft call in a half where they let everything go.
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Definite foul.
The jersey grab didn't help.
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It is a foul. My only complaint is it, or the equivalent, wasn't a foul on the other end.
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Creighton giving the sixth team foul late in the shot clock was an awful decision.
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I can't believe they called that. Incredibly soft call in a half where they let everything go.
I agree with your overall point but the grab was totally unnecessary.
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Creighton giving the sixth team foul late in the shot clock was an awful decision.
Yes, but didn't make a difference in that situation. It was a shooting foul regardless.
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Creighton giving the sixth team foul late in the shot clock was an awful decision.
100%
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He stepped over the line on the inbound
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He stepped over the line on the inbound
Whoops, no he didn't
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is the ball not out until it touches the ground?
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Yes, but didn't make a difference in that situation. It was a shooting foul regardless.
Yes it did, the shot clock reset, SDSU ball out of bounds, essentially meaning Creighton was playing for overtime or a loss.
You’re thinking of the shooting/7th team foul, I’m talking about the dumb intentional sixth foul.
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Not a fan of trying to throw it the length of the court like that. Really hard to get that to someone cleanly.
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I can't believe they called that. Incredibly soft call in a half where they let everything go.
I thought it was hard to tell if it was "hand on hip" or "hand on hip with pressure applied". Tough call.
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is the ball not out until it touches the ground?
u seem like to much of basketball nut to not know this
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Yes, but didn't make a difference in that situation. It was a shooting foul regardless.
It actually did, brew. Had McDermott not called for the foul and had the final play gone the exact same way, the foul would have occurred with 4 or 5 seconds to go. So Creighton would have been able to set up an actual play to win the game, rather than needing a miracle with 1.2 seconds left.
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Did they actually make a call on the floor
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Terrible coaching job by McDermott
CC: Willie
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Truthfully Creighton doesn't have a lot to complain about. Make a shot.
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It was nice of the refs to tear up my money like that.
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WTH?
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The old, Nevermind ruling
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Wow.
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Not a very satisfying ending.
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It actually did, brew. Had McDermott not called for the foul and had the final play gone the exact same way, the foul would have occurred with 4 or 5 seconds to go. So Creighton would have been able to set up an actual play to win the game, rather than needing a miracle with 1.2 seconds left.
Exactly.
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Didn't Creighton intentionally foul Oso too, and cost them the game?
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I’m not upset
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Terrible coaching job by McDermott
CC: Willie
The last 30 seconds of that game by McDermott was truly awful.
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Not a crapshoot at all.
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lol fau Sdsu final four
Clearly 2 of the best 4 teams in college basketball. No randomness at all. That's why 5BuckChuck and millions of others had them in the Final Four in their brackets.
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Wtf???!?? How do these nut job refs do that. Clearly still .3 ish on the clock when the ball hits the floor. Wtf?!?!?!,
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Mac didn’t deserve it. Not a great end of game coach. He once was up 5 at home with 1 second against Wojo…and lost.
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Didn't Creighton intentionally foul Oso too, and cost them the game?
yes, he makes some bad decisions at the end
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Clearly 2 of the best 4 teams in college basketball. No randomness at all. That's why 5BuckChuck and millions of others had them in the Final Four in their brackets.
That’s the beauty of the tournament. It’s a total crapshoot
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Clearly 2 of the best 4 teams in college basketball. No randomness at all. That's why 5BuckChuck and millions of others had them in the Final Four in their brackets.
I think you're unfairly attacking the 🦉 🦉.
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Mac didn’t deserve it. Not a great end of game coach. He once was up 5 at home with 1 second against Wojo…and lost.
He owns Shaka, however
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Clearly 2 of the best 4 teams in college basketball. No randomness at all. That's why 5BuckChuck and millions of others had them in the Final Four in their brackets.
The crap shoot argument is like 70% true. However ussally the best teams make it to the end. It’s still a disappointment for Marquette. Don’t see how it’s debatable
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Yes it did, the shot clock reset, SDSU ball out of bounds, essentially meaning Creighton was playing for overtime or a loss.
You’re thinking of the shooting/7th team foul, I’m talking about the dumb intentional sixth foul.
That had already been addressed and discussed in the thread.
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Didn't Creighton intentionally foul Oso too, and cost them the game?
Can’t say that it cost them the game but it cost them two points at a pivotal stage of the game.
Maybe if they hadn’t fouled MU would have scored 3 on the possession.
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The crap shoot argument is like 70% true. However ussally the best teams make it to the end. It’s still a disappointment for Marquette. Don’t see how it’s debatable
I think this is where certain people are misinterpreting how people are reacting to Marquette’s loss last Sunday.
Everyone is disappointed they lost. It was a lost opportunity. However, that doesn’t mean you can’t enjoy what the season was.
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He owns Shaka, however
He did twice this year.
Two mid majors playing each other in the final four. How predictable.
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That had already been addressed and discussed in the thread.
Brew, I love you, but what are you talking about? That play just happened like 5 minutes ago.
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Wtf???!?? How do these nut job refs do that. Clearly still .3 ish on the clock when the ball hits the floor. Wtf?!?!?!,
“They brought out a stop watch!”
They have the abacus warmed up for the final four !
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Being able to take tough twos (midrange) against elite defenses seems like a must. Not the ideal shots for 99% of the season but holy cow were they necessary in the Creighton SDST game.
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Pretty tough call to make in that moment.
I usually don’t get ticked off at the refs as much as most do, but if I was a Creighton fan or if that call went against Marquette in a similar situation I would be livid.
Sure there was contact, but the way the game had been called that’s a brutal call to eliminate a team from the tournament instead of giving them a chance to make the FF in OT
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The 3 teams in the Final Four so far were numbers 13, 22, and 29 on the NCAA seed list.
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Brew, I love you, but what are you talking about? That play just happened like 5 minutes ago.
There had been discussion of that foul and that it was a bad coaching decision. There was reaction to the next foul already. In context of a quick moving thread, that poor decision by McDermott was old news.
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There had been discussion of that foul and that it was a bad coaching decision. There was reaction to the next foul already. In context of a quick moving thread, that poor decision by McDermott was old news.
Ok…
🤷🏻♂️
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The crap shoot argument is like 70% true. However ussally the best teams make it to the end. It’s still a disappointment for Marquette. Don’t see how it’s debatable
How many Marquette fans do you know who weren’t disappointed with the way our season ended? Who is debating it?
I think this is where certain people are misinterpreting how people are reacting to Marquette’s loss last Sunday.
Everyone is disappointed they lost. It was a lost opportunity. However, that doesn’t mean you can’t enjoy what the season was.
Exactly.
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Wtf???!?? How do these nut job refs do that. Clearly still .3 ish on the clock when the ball hits the floor. Wtf?!?!?!,
They said they pulled out a stopwatch. Must have concluded that there was as much of a delay starting the clock when the ball was touched as there was stopping it when the ball hit the floor.
It looked like it would have been SDSUs ball, so barring a brain fart play like Creighton pulled against MU a few years ago there’s no way Creighton could have won. Just throw the ball at or to anyone standing in bounds, even an opponent.
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Being able to take tough twos (midrange) against elite defenses seems like a must. Not the ideal shots for 99% of the season but holy cow were they necessary in the Creighton SDST game.
I've consistently made the argument that a wide open 12-15 footer is a better shot than a contested 3. Most disagree with me but throughout the tournament I've watched teams win by having that shot in their arsenal.
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I've consistently made the argument that a wide open 12-15 footer is a better shot than a contested 3. Most disagree with me but throughout the tournament I've watched teams win by having that shot in their arsenal.
SDSU shot 37%
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Yes it did, the shot clock reset, SDSU ball out of bounds, essentially meaning Creighton was playing for overtime or a loss.
You’re thinking of the shooting/7th team foul, I’m talking about the dumb intentional sixth foul.
Yep.
Incredibly dumb coaching (almost as bad as Wojo not knowing the game score) followed by a ticky tack foul call. Of course if Creighton could have made 1 of 10 from 3 instead of zero (in the 2nd half) none of that would have mattered.
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SDSU shot 37%
They're a terrible offensive team that's not my point.
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I hope Miami beats Texas for a few reasons:
1.it would be fun to see the Big 12 excluded from the F4.
2. Texas going to the F4 would just add more fuel to the Shaka haters. I can hear them saying “Texas had to get rid of Smart to have NCAA success”.
3. I don’t like Texas.
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Of course if Creighton could have made 1 of 10 from 3 instead of zero (in the 2nd half) none of that would have mattered.
Yessir. Between their inability to execute, their inability to shoot and their crud coaching, Creighton didn’t earn much sympathy for the way the game ended.
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I hope Miami beats Texas for a few reasons:
1.it would be fun to see the Big 12 excluded from the F4.
2. Texas going to the F4 would just add more fuel to the Shaka haters. I can hear them saying “Texas had to get rid of Smart to have NCAA success”.
3. I don’t like Texas.
All of this.
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I've consistently made the argument that a wide open 12-15 footer is a better shot than a contested 3. Most disagree with me but throughout the tournament I've watched teams win by having that shot in their arsenal.
Muggsy - I think we might be the only ones here who think that’s a good idea. No one is saying add the mid range game by subtracting something else.
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I hope Miami beats Texas for a few reasons:
1.it would be fun to see the Big 12 excluded from the F4.
2. Texas going to the F4 would just add more fuel to the Shaka haters. I can hear them saying “Texas had to get rid of Smart to have NCAA success”.
3. I don’t like Texas.
This is a tough one......I still remember the moronic comments Larranaga made when we punked them in 2013.
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Muggsy - I think we might be the only ones here who thinks that’s a good idea. No one is saying add the mid range game by subtracting something else.
Yes. And the fact that SDSU shot 37% isn't relevant at all. What did they shoot from 3? What shots did they make with the gane on the line and 5 mins to? No one is saying take the shot in lieu of threes, it's about understanding what a better percentage shot is. Especially when you have to execute.
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I hope Miami beats Texas for a few reasons:
1.it would be fun to see the Big 12 excluded from the F4.
2. Texas going to the F4 would just add more fuel to the Shaka haters. I can hear them saying “Texas had to get rid of Smart to have NCAA success”.
3. I don’t like Texas.
I don’t like Texas either but I need them to win, then beat UConn, then lose in the final to win my bracket.
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After Creighton tied it. Maybe should have had a man on the ball with a foul still to give, since they just got a turnover. Mood point now. Focus will be on should the foul have been called or not.
Stink for the Big East. Hopefully for two teams in the Final Four. Glad to lose to the MWC.
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The game is over. Congrats to Miami.
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Horrible coaching job by McDermott cost them today. Ugly.
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The game is over. Congrats to Miami.
Muggsy must be rooting for Texas.
Is there any significance to the fact that Texas has 6 seniors in their rotation, most of whom are in their 5th year and on their second or third program. It might be that having experienced players helps teams advance.
Maybe UT pays their BB players as well as they pay their offensive linemen.
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Would this be the 1st time 2 mid-majors make the final 4?
Is the MWC really a mid major? Non power league, sure. IMO, mid majors normally are one bid league.
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I hope Miami beats Texas for a few reasons:
1.it would be fun to see the Big 12 excluded from the F4.
2. Texas going to the F4 would just add more fuel to the Shaka haters. I can hear them saying “Texas had to get rid of Smart to have NCAA success”.
3. I don’t like Texas.
/endorse
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Whoa.....that didn't count?
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I hope Miami beats Texas for a few reasons:
1.it would be fun to see the Big 12 excluded from the F4.
2. Texas going to the F4 would just add more fuel to the Shaka haters. I can hear them saying “Texas had to get rid of Smart to have NCAA success”.
3. I don’t like Texas.
100% aligned
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Whoa.....that didn't count?
Marquette got knocked out on that exact shot against Stanford, but it counted then.
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SDSU shot 37%
But they probably would have shot 20% if they didn’t make their tough twos and Creighton wouldn’t have even been in the game I’m the second half if they didn’t hit some tough twos.
We all know it’s not a great shot but with rim protectors and great three point D you sometimes don’t have a choice.
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But they probably would have shot 20% if they didn’t make their tough twos and Creighton wouldn’t have even been in the game I’m the second half if they didn’t hit some tough twos.
We all know it’s not a great shot but with rim protectors and great three point D you sometimes don’t have a choice.
Fair enough
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Marquette got knocked out on that exact shot against Stanford, but it counted then.
It’s a crapshoot whether they call that or not.
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Marquette got knocked out on that exact shot against Stanford, but it counted then.
google it. the shot was more around the side of the backboard.
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Feels like the final going to be boring as hell. What fau and UConn? Meh. Texas UConn is must see tv tho imo
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Horrible coaching job by McDermott cost them today. Ugly.
He saw you had stuck your fork in SDSU and was already thinking about the FAU scout.
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If #0 for Texas marries the Gonzaga star, he’d be Timmy Timme.
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If #0 for Texas marries the Gonzaga star, he’d be Timmy Timme.
Cool?
You could probably do that for hundreds of college basketball players.
If Baylor Scheierman transferred to Baylor his jersey would’ve had his full name on it. How interesting!
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Cool?
You could probably do that for hundreds of college basketball players.
If Baylor Scheierman transferred to Baylor his jersey would’ve had his full name on it. How interesting!
Ooh, I like that one. Thanks!
But you’re right… much better to concentrate on multiple pages of “crapshoot or not.”
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Ooh, I like that one. Thanks!
But you’re right… much better to concentrate on multiple pages of “crapshoot or not.”
If only Gradey Dick played for Oral Roberts
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Scheierman= Frodo/Bilbo.
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I hope Miami beats Texas for a few reasons:
1.it would be fun to see the Big 12 excluded from the F4.
2. Texas going to the F4 would just add more fuel to the Shaka haters. I can hear them saying “Texas had to get rid of Smart to have NCAA success”.
3. I don’t like Texas.
Eh. Shaka’s better off where he is. Texas appears to be too. And the Big 12 is great. I have nothing against them. The only difference between them and the Big East is the bottom of their conference is much stronger than the Big East’s.
I have much more dislike for the ACC, B1G, and Big 12 for poaching teams and breaking up conferences. But money talks.
I enjoy watching this Texas team. And I don’t hate the idea of a wife beater sitting at home thinking “what if I hadn’t beaten my fiancé?” Then again, he also gets to think, “at least I gave my fiancé 3.25M reasons a year to drop the charges.”
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Miami is making this interesting.
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Tough shot there. Miami may win this.
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Miami starting to roll 7’s!
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SDSU has a Mensah candidate.
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Texas gagging????
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Their Carr has stalled. Needs a jump start.
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Did Texas just get called for a foul for good blocking out?
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Glad they switched that call. Somewhere, Chase Ross came out of his seat.
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Unreal that was not a flagrant. Exact same play that happened to Ross.
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Not an intelligent foul there.
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Texas Toast
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Scoop ended two teams’ seasons with a lot of game left. Now both teams are going to the Final Four.
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How was that a foul on Texas?
The guy didn't start to box out after Miami was in the air.
Texas was in position and boxing out the Miami guy when Miami was still on the floor. Miami guy jumped (over the back) and Texas guy kept boxing out
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Glad they switched that call. Somewhere, Chase Ross came out of his seat.
I’m not sure I get that - why is the player with inside position who’s blocking out get called for the foul?
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Miami/UConn should be a heck of a game.
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According to the rule that cost Chase a flagrant, the player was in the air and the boxing out player undercut him while in the air.
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I’m not sure I get that - why is the player with inside position who’s blocking out get called for the foul?
Because he keeps moving backwards into a player who is in the air. Makes no attempt to get the rebound. Dangerous play.
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Because he keeps moving backwards into a player who is in the air. Makes no attempt to get the rebound. Dangerous play.
Otoh he’s doing exactly what you’re coached to do from the time you start playing basketball. It’s kind of a lame rule.
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According to the rule that cost Chase a flagrant, the player was in the air and the boxing out player undercut him while in the air.
Isn't over the back committed first?
If the Texas guy doesn't continue moving backwards, it's definitely over the back.
But even though he does continue, Miami committed the foul first?
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Nope. The undercut is the key. He kept moving under a player in the air.
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Nope. The undercut is the key. He kept moving under a player in the air.
I understand that. But why doesn't the over the back matter?
Is there a scenario where they call 2 common fouls or 1 common and 1 flagrant?
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I understand that. But why doesn't the over the back matter?
Is there a scenario where they call 2 common fouls or 1 common and 1 flagrant?
Watch it again. The only reason he was over the back was because the Texas player kept moving into him.
Lord knows I'm as critical of college officiating as anyone, but they got this one right
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Watch it again. The only reason he was over the back was because the Texas player kept moving into him.
Lord knows I'm as critical of college officiating as anyone, but they got this one right
Clear as day foul on Texas.
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Otoh he’s doing exactly what you’re coached to do from the time you start playing basketball. It’s kind of a lame rule.
Was wojo your coach? My coach never taught me to keep moving backwards and dont attempt to get the rebound.It's box out, get your position then go after the ball.
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Otoh he’s doing exactly what you’re coached to do from the time you start playing basketball. It’s kind of a lame rule.
The coaches I've worked with teach, "Find, hit and git." You locate an opponent (find), box him or her out (hit), and then you move forward to pursue the basketball (git).
No coach I know teaches a player to box out the opponent and just keep moving backward and backward away from the basketball. Go git the ball!
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Clearing it is as important as getting the rebound especially if bodied up on the opponents best rebounder. Get low and drive so others can grab the board
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I know this is a non sequitur but if Shaq was playing in this era do you believe he would either not play in the NBA or play differently?
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I know this is a non sequitur but if Shaq was playing in this era do you believe he would either not play in the NBA or play differently?
Orlando Shaq would have done just fine in today’s NBA.
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The coaches I've worked with teach, "Find, hit and git." You locate an opponent (find), box him or her out (hit), and then you move forward to pursue the basketball (git).
No coach I know teaches a player to box out the opponent and just keep moving backward and backward away from the basketball. Go git the ball!
Didn't buzz used to tell Otule his job was to box out the other team's big and the rest of our guys would actually get the rebound?
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Didn't buzz used to tell Otule his job was to box out the other team's big and the rest of our guys would actually get the rebound?
The kalkbrenner/Creighton strategy
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Orlando Shaq would have done just fine in today’s NBA.
But early LA Shaq would not? Here's what I'm getting at: Shaq obviously couldn't really be guarded in his prime against conventional centers. He certainly couldn't be guarded by smaller dudes as well. What exactly would prevent him in today's game from getting deep position and annihilating guys? Now I get it, defensively is where he would have a big problem. Especially when he got to 330 lbs or more. That said he could essentially score at will and draw tons of fouls. How would you adapt as a coach, in this era, with a Shaq?
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Didn't buzz used to tell Otule his job was to box out the other team's big and the rest of our guys would actually get the rebound?
He did. Part of that was Otule's depth perception was diminished due to only having one eye. It affects how you track objects rapidly changing direction. Ergo, take up as much space and occupy as many opponents as possible, allowing a teammate to get the rebound.
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I'm extremely excited to watch Wemby's development.
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What NCAA tourney team is he on?
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What NCAA tourney team is he on?
Sorry, I went a bit off topic.
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Didn't buzz used to tell Otule his job was to box out the other team's big and the rest of our guys would actually get the rebound?
It’s a pretty coming strategy and the same I described but apparently some think only Wojo would use it 🙄
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If you think coaches want their players to do what that Texas kid did while boxing out - keep going backward and backward, even when the opponent is in the air … cool.
I doubt that’s what the Texas coach actually wanted. But if he did he was rewarded with a correctly called foul on his guy at a crucial moment in the game with the Final Four on the line.
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If you think coaches want their players to do what that Texas kid did while boxing out - keep going backward and backward, even when the opponent is in the air … cool.
I doubt that’s what the Texas coach actually wanted. But if he did he was rewarded with a correctly called foul on his guy at a crucial moment in the game with the Final Four on the line.
Yes. A player should get low and drive but the split second the other player leaves the floor he should immediately stop his momentum without the opposing force that was just offering resistance a split second before. That makes sense.
As I said - the rule is what I take issue with
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But it is no longer get low and drive. The current rule is maintain your position, not move your opponent back. In order to cut down on physical play and undercutting.
Yes, a generation ago, that would have been a heroic box out. Not today.
Finally, Chase Ross got called for a nearly identical move 2 weeks ago. He got called for a flagrant, even though there was additional contact from other players adding to the pile up. This call should not be a surprise.
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I get it and I get it’s the rule. But it’s a continuing trend in sports where “safety” compromises the game.
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The call that galled me was where the player was first to the floor diving for a loose ball. He was getting his hands on ot when an opposing player fell on him and smashed his face into the court. And the first to the floor player with the smashed face got called for the foul.
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The call that galled me was where the player was first to the floor diving for a loose ball. He was getting his hands on ot when an opposing player fell on him and smashed his face into the court. And the first to the floor player with the smashed face got called for the foul.
Very inconsistently adjudicated, too. Some refs will let those situations become mini-war zones, while others will call fouls on almost no contact. It's more often the former, and injuries can and have occurred.
But it’s a continuing trend in sports where “safety” compromises the game.
I like safety. I prefer athletes not get maimed because of old-school techniques.
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The consistency was the problem throughout that Creighton game. Was it a foul at the end? Certainly. Were more egregious calls let go all day long? Certainly. It was the right call, but if calls of that nature been made consistently for 40 minutes the outcome would've likely been wildly different.
That said, McDermott was horrible in the final minute. Never should've given the sixth foul, especially not with that much time on the clock. Your defense was set and SDSU had shown they couldn't score all game long, why not play it out or, if you're going to foul, do it with under 3 seconds? Then using their last timeout before the free throws? What are you thinking? You know you have 1.2, just yell to your team to inbound to halfcourt and then call timeout. That's enough time to catch and call TO, then get the inbound from midcourt where you can set up an actual play. Finally, the play you draw up is just to bomb it the length of the floor? Get it to a player running toward the basket. At least that gives you a legit chance. Expecting to outjump this physical SDSU team, bring it down, and get a shot back up was just too much. All in all, a terrible finish for him.
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Very inconsistently adjudicated, too. Some refs will let those situations become mini-war zones, while others will call fouls on almost no contact. It's more often the former, and injuries can and have occurred.
I like safety. I prefer athletes not get maimed because of old-school techniques.
Lol
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Dan Hurley's wife was on the Field of 68 and it was very entertaining.
Goes off on a-hole UCONN and Providence fans at 5:15.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fupUxdv0uYM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fupUxdv0uYM)
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Where have we heard this before?
Dusty May on returning to Florida Atlantic: 'I learned you never mess with happy'
https://www.palmbeachpost.com/story/sports/college/basketball/2023/03/31/dusty-may-returning-to-fau-because-money-has-never-been-his-motivation/70067736007/
"Dusty is certainly not motivated by money," Anna said. "We have learned that over the years, it's not always greener on the other side."
"I learned a long time ago you never mess with happy," he said. "And so I know what makes me happy, and right now at this point in my career I couldn't be any more pleased and happy with where we are."
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Where have we heard this before?
Dusty May on returning to Florida Atlantic: 'I learned you never mess with happy'
https://www.palmbeachpost.com/story/sports/college/basketball/2023/03/31/dusty-may-returning-to-fau-because-money-has-never-been-his-motivation/70067736007/
"Dusty is certainly not motivated by money," Anna said. "We have learned that over the years, it's not always greener on the other side."
"I learned a long time ago you never mess with happy," he said. "And so I know what makes me happy, and right now at this point in my career I couldn't be any more pleased and happy with where we are."
Let’s see how these statements hold up the next time the Indiana job opens up.
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Let’s see how these statements hold up the next time the Indiana job opens up.
His response is probably a lot like Shaka's after he decided to return to VCU after not taking the Marquette job. I think Shaka was very happy with being at VCU and certainly was not going to make a statement like "well, not this year, but maybe next...I'm moving on. Being happy where you are but then taking another job are not necessarily mutually exclusive.
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Where have we heard this before?
Dusty May on returning to Florida Atlantic: 'I learned you never mess with happy'
https://www.palmbeachpost.com/story/sports/college/basketball/2023/03/31/dusty-may-returning-to-fau-because-money-has-never-been-his-motivation/70067736007/
"Dusty is certainly not motivated by money," Anna said. "We have learned that over the years, it's not always greener on the other side."
"I learned a long time ago you never mess with happy," he said. "And so I know what makes me happy, and right now at this point in my career I couldn't be any more pleased and happy with where we are."
Easy to say when no good jobs are open. Also, it’s probably not too bad living in Boca Raton.
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Hawkins apparently missed practice yesterday. That could be a big prob for the Huskies.
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Hawkins apparently missed practice yesterday. That could be a big prob for the Huskies.
He had diarrhea
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He had diarrhea
Well, I've been told basketball is a game of runs...
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Well, I've been told basketball is a game of runs...
Literally a crapshoot...
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Well, I've been told basketball is a game of runs...
they do have stuff for that, lomotil usually works pretty well
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Marquette should have hired Brian Dutcher
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Very high level of play in first 10 mins.
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Marquette should have hired Dusty May
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🦉🦉🦉🦉🦉🦉🦉🦉🦉🦉!!!!!
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🦉🦉🦉🦉🦉🦉🦉🦉🦉🦉!!!!!
Florida Atlantic is going to have as many titles as Marquette. Shutter the program
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FAU is for real. As I've said for quite some time: You can't teach speed. Both of these teams are a lot better than people are giving them credit. FAU would have kicked Purdue's ass frankly.
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FAU lost to Ole Miss, just like us.
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FAU lost to Ole Miss, just like us.
We lost to Miss St.
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FAU is for real. As I've said for quite some time: You can't teach speed. Both of these teams are a lot better than people are giving them credit. FAU would have kicked Purdue's ass frankly.
They’d probably beat the Bucks, too
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Well, I've been told basketball is a game of runs...
(https://tse1.mm.bing.net/th?id=OIP.EKOVjbzN_lx3iJaF01fDzAHaE7&pid=Api&P=0)
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Crock
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Feels like FAU has been just as physical defensively but it’s 10-3 in fouls this half.
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Bradley is a heck of a ball player. Tremendous punch back.
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Dusty May is getting outcoached
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FAU literally cannot get a D reb. Terrible call there.
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FAU literally cannot get a D reb. Terrible call there.
Dusty May doesn’t have a clue.
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Dusty May is getting outcoached
so, go w/Dutcher?
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so, go w/Dutcher?
He’s been terrible, too
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First time the arena got to see a replay and the TV audience didn't?
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FAU is getting hosed.
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Matt Bradley double dribbled then.phantom foul
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Free throws no matta
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FAU is getting hosed.
Nice that the refs have made themselves center stage. It makes the games so much better!
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Nice that the refs have made themselves center stage. It makes the games so much better!
Awful stretch of calls.
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To think FAU lacked guard play to do anything in March
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Are you really going to get a good play with :05 left at best?
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Are you really going to get a good play with :05 left at best?
I dunno but I would take the 7 footer out of the game on this possession. He's missed his last 4 FT's.
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FK!!
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Marquette not hiring Brian Dutcher will haunt them for a century
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Karma for calling 3 timeouts in the last minute.
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That's why I'm sitting on my couch and not on a sideline
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What a great shot though. That was not easy.
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That was awesome. May is going to regret not using one of his three second timeouts while SDSU was chipping away at their 14 point lead.
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Dusty May should be fired
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Entertaining game, especially for one where I had absolutely no rooting interest for either side.
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That's why Dusty May is coaching in C/USA ! ! ! 8-)
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Watching all of the SDSU fan reaction tweets, I so want to have an MU fan reaction tweet before I'm done on this earth
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If Shaka’s first 5 years look like Brian Dutcher’s, does he get a 6th year?
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Never saw so many offensive rebounds off missed the free throws. Wow!
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I really thought Dutcher was making a mistake letting that play out. If FAU had run the clock down a few more seconds and gotten a shot up to the rim, by the time they corralled a rebound they wouldn’t have had much time.
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They took the shot with 2 seconds left. There wasn’t much more time they could’ve ran off. In a one point game, with an 8 second difference, you play that out. You get a stop and you have a chance to win the game, which they did. Under 5 second difference? Sure, extend the game.
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Danny Hurley is the best coach in the Big East
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This one is over - Sanogo with 2 3’s.
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This one is over - Sanogo with 2 3’s.
I don’t see a way Marquette ever wins another Big East title
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Imagine if Oso could hit 3’s
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Imagine if Oso could hit 3’s
Imagine if Oso could read Russian
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I don’t see a way Marquette ever wins another Big East title
Yes, be grateful we won this year.
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Yes, be grateful we won this year.
It’s over. We should have hired a Hurley
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It’s over. We should have hired a Hurley
UConn will go undefeated next year.
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UConn will go undefeated next year.
Coach is a gym rat that recruits aircraft carriers
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Coach is a gym rat that recruits aircraft carriers
Both are great qualities.
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Could UCONN beat Ditka?
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Too early to discuss if we prefer Marquette’s season or UConn’s?
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Should have hired Laranagagaga
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That's why Dusty May is coaching in C/USA ! ! ! 8-)
He’s done so well, he is promoted to the AAC next year.
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Should have hired Laranagagaga
Yes
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Yes
Jim Laranagaaganaga once met Al McGuire
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Clingan is one of the best 7’2” players from Bristol that I have ever seen.
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Clingan is one of the best 7’2” players from Bristol that I have ever seen.
UConn is so good, I don’t think Marquette really beat them twice.
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Pretty solid half from UCONN.
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Clingan is one of the best 7’2” players from Bristol that I have ever seen.
Don’t tell 5Dollar. He thinks Edey and Clingan both suck. They’re just tall.
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Don’t tell 5Dollar. He thinks Edey and Clingan both suck. They’re just tall.
5dollar is an idiot
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This game reminds me of the 2006 regional final between UCONN and George Mason where the Colonials trailed the Huskies by 12 points in the first half. I think Larrañaga has em right where he wants them.
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It’s over. We should have hired a Hurley
Elizabeth?
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Clingan is one of the best 7’2” players from Bristol that I have ever seen.
He has nba written all over him if he continues at this level next year with increased minutes.
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Elizabeth?
I agree with this assessment.
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Too early to discuss if we prefer Marquette’s season or UConn’s?
absolutely loved MU’s season. Awesome. But…Playing in the national championship game is only outdone by winning the national championship game, imo
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Don’t tell 5Dollar. He thinks Edey and Clingan both suck. They’re just tall.
Clingan is good, Edey sucks. I never said Clingan sucks.
Attack me on a factual basis, please.
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At least we can hang the “we beat the NCAA champs twice” banner next to the Big East regular season and tourney champs banners.
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Clingan is good, Edey sucks. I never said Clingan sucks.
Attack me on a factual basis, please.
Factually a NPOY sucks but the backup playing 13 MPG is good. Checks out for you. Lol.
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Two very careless turns by UCONN. Total lack of focus.
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Factually a NPOY sucks but the backup playing 13 MPG is good. Checks out for you. Lol.
Thanks for correcting yourself.
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Miami can pay millions for their roster but not enough to have backup pairs of shoes?
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Miami can pay millions for their roster but not enough to have backup pairs of shoes?
I was thinking the exact same thought.
Also, Sanogo is a pretty good ball player.
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Congrats to UCONN and SDSU.
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It’s clear Marquette is playing for second next year, although with just Stevie and Sean Jones coming back they will be lucky to picked for 9th.
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Let’s not forget that Marquette was the last team to beat UCONN.
Let’s hope the Huskies do the Big East paid and bring home another title.
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UCONN looked really good. Good luck to them!
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SDSU will be watching a lot of MU vs UCONN tape the next 36 hrs. If UCONN is hitting threes they're a real problem. I think you have to find a way to turn them over and score off of those turns while playing them relatively even on the glass. Defensively UCONN has kicked it up a notch since we beat then. On paper UCONN is the heavy favorite but SDSU is tough and scrappy. I think they'll muck it up a bit but in the end I feel UCONN just has too much. The Aztecs will need the Huskies to brick a lot of threes.
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SDSU will be watching a lot of MU vs UCONN tape the next 36 hrs. If UCONN is hitting threes they're a real problem. I think you have to find a way to turn them over and score off of those turns while playing them relatively even on the glass. Defensively UCONN has kicked it up a notch since we beat then. On paper UCONN is the heavy favorite but SDSU is tough and scrappy. I think they'll muck it up a bit but in the end I feel UCONN just has too much. The Aztecs will need the Huskies to brick a lot of threes.
Muggsy-
SDSU can’t do anything like Marquette did to beat Uconn, unfortunately for them.
Marquette played 5 out, brought Adama away from the bucket and made him relatively less effective.
SDSU is big, they are tough, they play a lot like UConn in a sense with the rebounding, defense, toughness.
They have to match pound for pound and hope for the best.
Fwiw I think they keep it close, low scoring affair and UConn pulls it off
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Let’s not forget that Marquette was the last team to beat UCONN.
Let’s hope the Huskies do the Big East paid and bring home another title.
UConn should count themselves lucky they didn't have to play any Big East teams in this tournament.
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UConn should count themselves lucky they didn't have to play any Big East teams in this tournament.
With the NCAA runs by Big East teams, the conference is firmly entrenched as the third best in Pomeroy or T Rank, closing in on #2 B1G.
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With the NCAA runs by Big East teams, the conference is firmly entrenched as the third best in Pomeroy or T Rank, closing in on #2 B1G.
Reminds me of when Billy said the idea of a power six was dead last December
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To be be honest, and I rarely if ever talk about officiating, I thought it sucked in the FAU/SDSU game.
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To be be honest, and I rarely if ever talk about officiating, I thought it sucked in the FAU/SDSU game.
On Field of 68, Dauster has routinely talked about how SDSU basically hammers opponents on every trip down the floor with the mindset that the refs won't call everything. It seemed they eventually wore the refs out, because they got away with a lot on the defensive end while FAU was getting whistled for at least 2 fouls that weren't fouls (the straight up block and the play where the FAU player turned away in the air and didn't make contact).
Though maybe I'm biased because I had FAU in a Calcutta pool.
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On Field of 68, Dauster has routinely talked about how SDSU basically hammers opponents on every trip down the floor with the mindset that the refs won't call everything. It seemed they eventually wore the refs out, because they got away with a lot on the defensive end while FAU was getting whistled for at least 2 fouls that weren't fouls (the straight up block and the play where the FAU player turned away in the air and didn't make contact).
Though maybe I'm biased because I had FAU in a Calcutta pool.
Brew, I definitely wanted the Owls, but I think you're spot-on and the whistles and non-whistles were egregious. Especially when it mattered down the stretch.
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Let’s not forget that Marquette was the last team to beat UCONN.
It wouldn't be the first time that's happened and UConn got a title.
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To be be honest, and I rarely if ever talk about officiating, I thought it sucked in the FAU/SDSU game.
First half they called 10 total fouls, second half 24. Don't think the teams played that much more aggressively in the second half. Unbalanced officiating is ruining the game.
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Thought the calls went FAU’s way the first part of the second half but then flipped down the stretch. At one point in the second half FAU was in the double bonus while they had 3 fouls called against them. And FAU was being just as physical defensively.
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First half they called 10 total fouls, second half 24. Don't think the teams played that much more aggressively in the second half. Unbalanced officiating is ruining the game.
I think FAU still sort of blew that game but I pretty much agree with you. This simply happens too often. It's not about a few questionable calls. I think all people want is some consistency.
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AHHHHH the Jeffery Anderson Factor ! ! ! 8-)
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AHHHHH the Jeffery Anderson Factor ! ! ! 8-)
I thought Mr. High-Knees was in the second game.
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OOPPPSSS ! ! ! U r correct ! ! ! My Bad ! ! ! 8-)
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Refs are ruining college basketball
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Refs are ruining college basketball
The women’s national championship game hasn’t been a great display of reffing.
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The women’s national championship game hasn’t been a great display of reffing.
Last night stunk and the elite 8 was terrible too. Zero accountability or oversight for the refs.
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Last night stunk and the elite 8 was terrible too. Zero accountability or oversight for the refs.
Defund the stripes
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Defund the stripes
Call your own fouls would make more sense at this point
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No blood no foul
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Call your own fouls would make more sense at this point
1. Go to six fouls. Should have happened with shot clock reduction and these increasing player control flops.
2. Extend the semi circle
3. Eliminate three seconds in the lane but outside the semi circle.
4. All reviews one minute or less or the call on the floor sticks. Reviewed centrally in NCAA tournaments for entire game not just last two minutes.
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Need to develop some ref robots
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1. Go to six fouls. Should have happened with shot clock reduction and these increasing player control flops.
2. Extend the semi circle
3. Eliminate three seconds in the lane but outside the semi circle.
4. All reviews one minute or less or the call on the floor sticks. Reviewed centrally in NCAA tournaments for entire game not just last two minutes.
Agree - standardize refereeing as well. Move away from the paid independent contractor model.
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The women’s national championship game hasn’t been a great display of reffing.
Terrible refereeing, awesome game
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Need to be making a play on the ball for a charge to be called. Get rid of sliding over and flopping.
Also not ref related, but standardize the basketball. How you can play with a different basketball depending on what gym you’re in is so ridiculous.
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Need to be making a play on the ball for a charge to be called. Get rid of sliding over and flopping.
Also not ref related, but standardize the basketball. How you can play with a different basketball depending on what gym you’re in is so ridiculous.
Leave it to the Badgers to use a particularly strange basketball for their home games. I recall they are the only school to use whatever brand they use.
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Need to be making a play on the ball for a charge to be called. Get rid of sliding over and flopping.
Also not ref related, but standardize the basketball. How you can play with a different basketball depending on what gym you’re in is so ridiculous.
The fact that there isn't a standard basketball in the NCAA is absurd.
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I think I’m the only person in America who doesn’t like Caitlin Clark.
Volume scorer who wants to sell t-shirts.
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I think I’m the only person in America who doesn’t like Caitlin Clark.
Volume scorer who wants to sell t-shirts.
I mean her true shooting percentage is 62%, eFG% is 57%, and she averages 8.6 assists per game. Compare that BEPOY Tyler Kolek whose true shooting percentage was 58%, eFG% was 54%, and averaged 7.5 assists per game.
She’s awesome offensively.
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Not interested.
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I think I’m the only person in America who doesn’t like Caitlin Clark.
Volume scorer who wants to sell t-shirts.
I can't say I've watched her much but I didn't get that impression Friday vs South Carolina. She's incredibly skilled and wasn't selfish at all moving the rock.
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I think I’m the only person in America who doesn’t like Caitlin Clark.
Volume scorer who wants to sell t-shirts.
I don’t really get this take. She’s basically the female version of Steph.
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I think I’m the only person in America who doesn’t like Caitlin Clark.
Volume scorer who wants to sell t-shirts.
Outside of Louisiana and South Carolina…yes you are.
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I don’t really get this take. She’s basically the female version of Steph.
"Coughs" Markus
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"Coughs" Markus
Except she makes her team significantly better. That’s not a tourney team without her and she carried them to the finals. Not a great comp imo
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Except she makes her team significantly better. That’s not a tourney team without her and she carried them to the finals. Not a great comp imo
Laughable to suggest Markus didn’t make his team significantly better. Carried a team whose second leading scorer was Sacar Anim to what would’ve been an NCAA Tourney bid. Take Markus off that team and they might’ve been this year’s Georgetown team.
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Tall Titan
That was the first women’s NCAA game I have ever watched and came away with same feelings about Clark. I know she had a tough game due to foul troubles, but did not find her to be much watch TV. I had seen highlights and heard all of the hype and maybe had too high of expectations.
The refs sucked and not sure how Clark who does not play any defense could be foul trouble. As bad the refs were, Clark’s lack of effort on defense was worse, imo.
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Tall Titan
That was the first women’s NCAA game I have ever watched and came away with same feelings about Clark. I know she had a tough game due to foul troubles, but did not find her to be much watch TV. I had seen highlights and heard all of the hype and maybe had too high of expectations.
The refs sucked and not sure how Clark who does not play any defense could be foul trouble. As bad the refs were, Clark’s lack of effort on defense was worse, imo.
I don't know how somebody could have watched that 1st quarter and not came away extremely impressed.
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Lawdog
I thought the first quarter was fun and Clark made some great plays, both passing and shooting. As I mentioned, maybe my expectations were too high. She has outstanding offensive talent and possibly worn out from the game on Friday and that is understandable. That said, a little defense would not hurt her game.
I hope she makes a ton of money and helps build excitement around the women’s game. I am sure that I will tune in next year to see her play again.
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I don't know how somebody could have watched that 1st quarter and not came away extremely impressed.
There's a good segment of people here that didn't appreciate our all time leading scorer, so that shouldn't be all that surprising.
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Laughable to suggest Markus didn’t make his team significantly better. Carried a team whose second leading scorer was Sacar Anim to what would’ve been an NCAA Tourney bid. Take Markus off that team and they might’ve been this year’s Georgetown team.
Safe to say your definition of significant differs from mine…pretty significantly
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#0 can't carry Clarke's jockstrap, hey?
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Safe to say your definition of significant differs from mine…pretty significantly
Markus Howard carried a team which featured Sacar anim as its second leading scorer to a safe ncaa bid. That is significant.
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MU's all time leading scorer. Two time all American. Cousy award finalist as best PG in the country.
Disrespected by those who don't know ball.
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The NCAA women's final was a classic finess versus physicality game. Iowa was a finess team and LSU was brutal physically. The game reminded me quite a bit of when Northeast or certain Midwest teams would go south and play SEC finess teams. The SEC would get their butts handed to them.
Ironically, while LSU was bumping Iowa around just enough to make them "off" a bit, it was their uncanny three-point shooting in the first half that made the difference in the game. That and LSU always seemed to come up with a basket when it mattered.
I agree with Brother Goose -- Caitlin Clark needs to learn some defense. She probably also needs to bulk up a bit, or else she will get killed in the WNBA. The fact that LSU's physicality was getting to her was evident with her carping at referees. To some extent, her technical probably came from the refs getting tired of her(Her coach should have said, "Caitlin, shut up and play. Sometimes, we're going to get bad refs!") Nonetheless, she is an incredible basketball player and single-handedly took down South Carolina, which probably was the best team in the nation this year.
Ultimately, Ms. Clark reminds me of a combination of Markus and Tyler. Some of her bounce passes were incredible to watch. The way she found open women was at times Kolek-esq and if she does bulk up, she'll truly be a generational talent.
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Don't get me wrong I think she is a great player and rightfully the player of the year.
What bothers me is when you see her logo shots, many of them are contested shots with 25 seconds on the shot clock and open players right on the line. Unless shes getting backed into a corner she could literally get a better shot at any point in the possession. Couple that with selling "From The Logo" gear.
I love Markus (and think his number should be retired yesterday) but it drove me crazy when he would take a contested three early in the shot clock. Many went in (just like Caitlin) but that still doesn't make it a good shot.
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The NCAA women's final was a classic finess versus physicality game. Iowa was a finess team and LSU was brutal physically. The game reminded me quite a bit of when Northeast or certain Midwest teams would go south and play SEC finess teams. The SEC would get their butts handed to them.
Ironically, while LSU was bumping Iowa around just enough to make them "off" a bit, it was their uncanny three-point shooting in the first half that made the difference in the game. That and LSU always seemed to come up with a basket when it mattered.
I agree with Brother Goose -- Caitlin Clark needs to learn some defense. She probably also needs to bulk up a bit, or else she will get killed in the WNBA. The fact that LSU's physicality was getting to her was evident with her carping at referees. To some extent, her technical probably came from the refs getting tired of her(Her coach should have said, "Caitlin, shut up and play. Sometimes, we're going to get bad refs!") Nonetheless, she is an incredible basketball player and single-handedly took down South Carolina, which probably was the best team in the nation this year.
Ultimately, Ms. Clark reminds me of a combination of Markus and Tyler. Some of her bounce passes were incredible to watch. The way she found open women was at times Kolek-esq and if she does bulk up, she'll truly be a generational talent.
The T was horsecrap. Here is the ref explanation:
Referee Lisa Jones explained the technical foul call to a pool reporter after the game.
"Iowa received a delay of game warning in the third period at the 7:28 mark for batting the ball away after a made basket, causing a delay," Jones said. "The second offense was when No. 22 from Iowa [Clark] picked up the ball and failed to immediately pass the ball to the nearest official after the whistle was blown ... by failing to and it reads, attempting to gain an advantage by interfering with the ball after a goal or by failing to immediately pass the ball to the nearest official after the whistle is blown."
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MU's all time leading scorer. Two time all American. Cousy award finalist as best PG in the country.
Disrespected by those who don't know ball.
Brother Tower:
Markus was incredible, I'll agree. He was a generational find by Coach Wojo. He was an excellent representative of Marquette University.
But, what most who turn our backs on the Markus Howard era see is a guy who didn't make his team better. Candidly, that's probably coaching more than than any individual player. But we see a team that was a "way too early" ranking of second in the nation that imploded and cost Coach Wojo his job. We saw a team that was destined to be very good become very ordinary very quickly. We saw a team that filled up on candy and didn't do the "meat and potatoes" things that make a team in the NCAA really good. And, Markus wasn't any good defensively.
Fair or not, Markus' tenure at Marquette always will be intertwined with the Hausers and the "letter." Most of us just want to move on from that period.
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MU's all time leading scorer. Two time all American. Cousy award finalist as best PG in the country.
Disrespected by those who don't know ball.
It's ignorant (and, yes, disrespectful) to say that Markus didn't make that team better. Of course he did. It's impossible to know exactly what that team could have been if a coach used the talent on the roster differently -- but Markus was absolutely fantastic in the role he was asked to play. He was among the best who ever played for Marquette. I think anyone who feels differently is either protecting their anti-Wojo feelings for Wojo onto Markus or relishes being contrarian.
Clark led her team in points, rebounds, assists, blocks, and was second in steals. She clearly excelled in the role she was asked to play. I think that anyone who says they are not impressed by her either had unrealistic expectations or simply relishes being contrarian.
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Markus Howard carried a team which featured Sacar anim as its second leading scorer to a safe ncaa bid. That is significant.
Safe to say your definition of significant differs from mine…pretty significantly
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The fact that LSU's physicality was getting to her was evident with her carping at referees. To some extent, her technical probably came from the refs getting tired of her(Her coach should have said, "Caitlin, shut up and play. Sometimes, we're going to get bad refs!") Nonetheless, she is an incredible basketball player and single-handedly took down South Carolina, which probably was the best team in the nation this year.
While I don't disagree, two comments in response: 1) I did see one of the assistant coaches sit her down on the bench once when she was carping at referees; 2) I could not believe how long of a leash the refs gave the LSU coach -- if they were inclined to get tired of someone, I can't imagine how they didn't get tired of her.
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Don't get me wrong I think she is a great player and rightfully the player of the year.
What bothers me is when you see her logo shots, many of them are contested shots with 25 seconds on the shot clock and open players right on the line. Unless shes getting backed into a corner she could literally get a better shot at any point in the possession. Couple that with selling "From The Logo" gear.
I love Markus (and think his number should be retired yesterday) but it drove me crazy when he would take a contested three early in the shot clock. Many went in (just like Caitlin) but that still doesn't make it a good shot.
That's aboslutely fair.
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MU's all time leading scorer. Two time all American. Cousy award finalist as best PG in the country.
Disrespected by those who don't know ball.
Great player. His tenure is commensurate with team failure. Both undeniable facts.
If you acknowledge one without the other - maybe it is you who doesn’t know ball.
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While I don't disagree, two comments in response: 1) I did see one of the assistant coaches sit her down on the bench once when she was carping at referees; 2) I could not believe how long of a leash the refs gave the LSU coach -- if they were inclined to get tired of someone, I can't imagine how they didn't get tired of her.
They were probably afraid Ms. Mulkey would literally murder them. I had nightmares last night because of her scowl. I did dig her outfit though.
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Brother Tower:
Markus was incredible, I'll agree. He was a generational find by Coach Wojo. He was an excellent representative of Marquette University.
But, what most who turn our backs on the Markus Howard era see is a guy who didn't make his team better. Candidly, that's probably coaching more than than any individual player. But we see a team that was a "way too early" ranking of second in the nation that imploded and cost Coach Wojo his job. We saw a team that was destined to be very good become very ordinary very quickly. We saw a team that filled up on candy and didn't do the "meat and potatoes" things that make a team in the NCAA really good. And, Markus wasn't any good defensively.
Fair or not, Markus' tenure at Marquette always will be intertwined with the Hausers and the "letter." Most of us just want to move on from that period.
Again, that's just laughable.
If your argument for that is, "Markus ran the Hausers off," well, people who claim to be important here also noted that the Hausers told Wojo not to recruit Tyler Herro. So it appears that the Hausers did not like to play with guys who had more talent than them. The common denominator appears to have been the Hausers, not Markus.
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They were probably afraid Ms. Mulkey would literally murder them. I had nightmares last night because of her scowl. I did dig her outfit though.
No kidding.
Ms. Mulkey reminded me of my Mom on a bad day, when we children just got under skin a bit too much.
We all knew the drill -- take cover!
Ms. Mulkey's outfits were ridiculous and designed to garner attention. Kinda like slick Rick and his white suits.
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Great player. His tenure is commensurate with team failure. Both undeniable facts.
If you acknowledge one without the other - maybe it is you who doesn’t know ball.
I haven't seen anyone not acknowledge the team failure part. I have seen several people not acknowledge the great player part.
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I haven't seen anyone not acknowledge the team failure part. I have seen several people not acknowledge the great player part.
Brother TAMU:
I did. And I cheered hard for Markus when he was with us. Nobody this side of maybe Coach Wojo and Markus himself wanted Markus to succeed more than I did. Because I wanted us to win, early and often!!!!
I see Markus the way I do Pete Maravich. I saw Maravich quite a bit as a boy. He was truly a remarkable basketball player. But none of his LSU teams were any good and the one that made post-season, 1969-1970, ran into a lawnmower named Al McGuire and the Marquette Warriors. The failing Maravich had was that Daddy, like Wojo, thought one person could carry a team. In LSU's case, there wasn't enough talent around this remarkable talent to make LSU truly special.
Marquette may have been worse yet because Markus had talent around him but the coaching was even worse than LSU!
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I haven't seen anyone not acknowledge the team failure part. I have seen several people not acknowledge the great player part.
He wasn’t a white guy from Stevens Point
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It's ignorant (and, yes, disrespectful) to say that Markus didn't make that team better. Of course he did. It's impossible to know exactly what that team could have been if a coach used the talent on the roster differently -- but Markus was absolutely fantastic in the role he was asked to play. He was among the best who ever played for Marquette. I think anyone who feels differently is either protecting their anti-Wojo feelings for Wojo onto Markus or relishes being contrarian.
Clark led her team in points, rebounds, assists, blocks, and was second in steals. She clearly excelled in the role she was asked to play. I think that anyone who says they are not impressed by her either had unrealistic expectations or simply relishes being contrarian.
for me, MH…and Rowsey too, was why I tuned in. Incredible shooters. Wojo was ok with shoot to get hot shoot to stay hot so that’s what MH did. Unfortunately Markus’ teams weren’t better. That’s on Wojo for not making the proper adjustments. As a result…well, we know the results.
I’m sure, however, his jersey will be hoisted to the rafters someday.
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Brother dgies
I stand by my statement.
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Brother TAMU:
I did. And I cheered hard for Markus when he was with us. Nobody this side of maybe Coach Wojo and Markus himself wanted Markus to succeed more than I did. Because I wanted us to win, early and often!!!!
I see Markus the way I do Pete Maravich. I saw Maravich quite a bit as a boy. He was truly a remarkable basketball player. But none of his LSU teams were any good and the one that made post-season, 1969-1970, ran into a lawnmower named Al McGuire and the Marquette Warriors. The failing Maravich had was that Daddy, like Wojo, thought one person could carry a team. In LSU's case, there wasn't enough talent around this remarkable talent to make LSU truly special.
Marquette may have been worse yet because Markus had talent around him but the coaching was even worse than LSU!
Brother Dgies,
Had we had the right coaching and pieces around the mighty mites we would have done some serious damage. We probably had 3/5 best pure shooters in the country. The problem is defensively you couldn't play the mm's together all that much and our overall defense was a sieve.
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Again, that's just laughable.
So it appears that the Hausers did not like to play with guys who had more talent than them.
Really? Sam’s seems OK playing with some pretty good players on the Boston Celtics. Where’s Markus these days?
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Really? Sam’s seems OK playing with some pretty good players on the Boston Celtics. Where’s Markus these days?
Proudly representing your alma mater in Spain.
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OK, since the question has been raised about a hanging of Markus' jersey in the rafters, here's something to gnaw on: I'm against it because while he was a good ballplayer, he was not a transformative legacy that the program will remember forever -- or should remember forever.
To that end, here's some jerseys that are and aren't retired.
Kojis -- First great player to Marquette. Made us part of the NCAAs during his career.
Meminger -- Leader of Marquette's NIT Championship team in 1970.
Thompson -- MU's first great superstar. Got team to regional finals in 1969. McGuire's first of many.
Chones -- Not up there. Maybe the greatest ever at Marquette next to DWade, but wasn't transformative. Left before he could win an NCAA.
Lucas -- Led us to the 1974 NCAA Runner-up.
Lee/Ellis -- NCAA Champions.
Rivers -- Held the program up under Hank.
Wade -- HOFer. May have saved the program!
Al -- Greatest Coach Ever, made MU Basketball
Hank -- Assistant on the 1977 team, ever loyal to Al.
Using the Glenn Rivers standard, I could see Markus. But, if you do that, plan on about 20 other jerseys up there as well.
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OK, since the question has been raised about a hanging of Markus' jersey in the rafters, here's something to gnaw on: I'm against it because while he was a good ballplayer, he was not a transformative legacy that the program will remember forever -- or should remember forever.
To that end, here's some jerseys that are and aren't retired.
Kojis -- First great player to Marquette. Made us part of the NCAAs during his career.
Meminger -- Leader of Marquette's NIT Championship team in 1970.
Thompson -- MU's first great superstar. Got team to regional finals in 1969. McGuire's first of many.
Chones -- Not up there. Maybe the greatest ever at Marquette next to DWade, but wasn't transformative. Left before he could win an NCAA.
Lucas -- Led us to the 1974 NCAA Runner-up.
Lee/Ellis -- NCAA Champions.
Rivers -- Held the program up under Hank.
Wade -- HOFer. May have saved the program!
Al -- Greatest Coach Ever, made MU Basketball
Hank -- Assistant on the 1977 team, ever loyal to Al.
Using the Glenn Rivers standard, I could see Markus. But, if you do that, plan on about 20 other jerseys up there as well.
Get rid of retired jerseys altogether and do a ring of honor type of thing
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Get rid of retired jerseys altogether and do a ring of honor type of thing
This is the way.
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Raise Markus’ jersey AND erect a statue next to Al, TODAY!!
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Get rid of retired jerseys altogether and do a ring of honor type of thing
He has spoken
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Markus's jersey should've been raised right out of the frame and up into the rafters during his senior day.
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I see Markus the way I do Pete Maravich. I saw Maravich quite a bit as a boy. He was truly a remarkable basketball player.
Brother dgies,
Markus Howard was an elite shooter. I’ve never seen a PG in college who was his equal as a shooter. But as a ball handler and a passer he was below average. On defense he was a liability.
Maravich was a notch below Markus as a shooter but a more complete all around scorer. Andhe was an elite ball handler and passer. He didn’t play a lot of defense but comparing the two is an injustice to Pistol Pete.
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Ncaa tournament, we’re supposed to be rooting for Ucon because of the share payout. What does a Ucon win mean to Marquette in terms of cash? I get the big East prestige etc
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Ncaa tournament, we’re supposed to be rooting for Ucon because of the share payout. What does a Ucon win mean to Marquette in terms of cash? I get the big East prestige etc
For whatever reason, semifinals and finals don’t count for NCAA credits. The BigEast has already earned all they are going to for this tournament.
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Get rid of retired jerseys altogether and do a ring of honor type of thing
Yeah, they could be right next ta #12, aina?
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Pops Sims?
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MU regularly dissed during One Shining Moment
https://mobile.twitter.com/bubbaprog/status/1643054585802629121
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MU regularly dissed during One Shining Moment
https://mobile.twitter.com/bubbaprog/status/1643054585802629121
They hate us.
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MU regularly dissed during One Shining Moment
https://mobile.twitter.com/bubbaprog/status/1643054585802629121
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Was this a part of our clocked time?
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Good start for the Aztecs.
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Was this a part of our clocked time?
🤣
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I loathe the charge call.
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SDSU really mucks it up.
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So who is making the “Beat UCONN Twice” banner?
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Brother TAMU:
I did. And I cheered hard for Markus when he was with us. Nobody this side of maybe Coach Wojo and Markus himself wanted Markus to succeed more than I did. Because I wanted us to win, early and often!!!!
I see Markus the way I do Pete Maravich. I saw Maravich quite a bit as a boy. He was truly a remarkable basketball player. But none of his LSU teams were any good and the one that made post-season, 1969-1970, ran into a lawnmower named Al McGuire and the Marquette Warriors. The failing Maravich had was that Daddy, like Wojo, thought one person could carry a team. In LSU's case, there wasn't enough talent around this remarkable talent to make LSU truly special.
Marquette may have been worse yet because Markus had talent around him but the coaching was even worse than LSU!
You did not just compare Markus to pistol Pete. Peak scoop.
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UCONN should be up 20 minimum.
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As great as Pete was, I recall The Dream doing a number on him in The NIT
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SDSU is just a Big Ten team with more length. They are built to dominate physically inside and play with a lead. Their offense is deplorable.
For all the talk of FAU’s fortune with seeds, SDSU played one really good game against Bama, otherwise a 5 seed had an average opponent seed of 10 all the way to the final. Even with Bama, it’s an average of over 8 across 5 damn games. Perfect for a good but not great team with plenty of flaws to sneak through.
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SDSU is just a Big Ten team with more length. They are built to dominate physically inside and play with a lead. Their offense is deplorable.
For all the talk of FAU’s fortune with seeds, SDSU played one really good game against Bama, otherwise a 5 seed had an average opponent seed of 10 all the way to the final. Even with Bama, it’s an average of over 8 across 5 damn games. Perfect for a good but not great team with plenty of flaws to sneak through.
This game isn't over. It could have been over but UCONN fked up to close the half.
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Think UConn can wear SDS out in second half, though ads has come back from 14 before, so not over.
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This game isn't over. It could have been over but UCONN fked up to close the half.
Not watching this game. Still salty after MSU loss .
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Not watching this game. Still salty after MSU loss .
I understand Herman.
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Lol oh the charge…
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UConn very beatable tonight
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UConn very beatable tonight
Are they choking?
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UCONN not choking. They’ll pull away again. Just a little run by SDSU.
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UCONN not choking. They’ll pull away again. Just a little run by SDSU.
5 pt game.
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Hawkins has hit some big shots whenever SDSU has gotten close.
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Hawkins has hit some big shots whenever SDSU has gotten close.
Huge shots.
MU is the only team that could have beaten UCONN in this tournament.
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Sanogo is going to be a handful next season. Hoping Clingan goes pro.
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Sanogo is going to be a handful next season. Hoping Clingan goes pro.
I wouldn't think either of them will go to the NBA.
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I wouldn't think either of them will go to the NBA.
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Sanogo has no reason to comeback unless NLI is to much to pass up
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Banner hung
https://twitter.com/nathanmarzion/status/1643094419623510023
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Banner hung
https://twitter.com/nathanmarzion/status/1643094419623510023
We will bounce back.
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We will bounce back.
No bouncing necessary. We had one bad game a couple of weeks ago. We're still up.
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Two Marquette shots in the One Shining Moment
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Two Marquette shots in the One Shining Moment
Both Kam Jones.
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Both Kam Jones.
I think the second was intended to be Shaka behind him.
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No bouncing necessary. We had one bad game a couple of weeks ago. We're still up.
Testify.