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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: tower912 on March 13, 2023, 08:17:03 AM
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MU is good, but the weakest of the #2's, so Sparty could have done a lot worse.
So, if MSU gets past USC, which is far from certain......
My take on Sparty. Forest Gump, Life is like a box of chocolates. You never know what you're going to get. Lacks the fire and cohesiveness that you see in the great Izzo teams. There are moments and stretches where Sparty looks like a great Izzo team. For 38 minutes, able to build a 10 pt lead on the road at Iowa. And then... Some heroic wins, but some completely unexplainable losses.
I think against MU, they will play Hall and Hauser at forward with a 3 guard set a lot, instead of Sissoko or the rest of the non-descript back up 5's. It makes sense, as Hall is 6'8 and Joey 6'9. I think that if OMax stays home on Hauser and stays out of foul trouble, MU wins that match up. When Sissoko is not in the game, MSU lacks a shot blocker. Still good rebounders. MSU will play big with Hauser, Hall and a 5.
The guard play will be the norm. MSU has played a lot of 3 guard this year. They don't have a lock down defender. As always, MSU will attempt to be the more physical team. All year, I have watched MSU guards and thought Seton Hall.
MU's best is better than MSU's best.
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MU is good, but the weakest of the #2's, so Sparty could have done a lot worse.
So, if MSU gets past USC, which is far from certain......
My take on Sparty. Forest Gump, Life is like a box of chocolates. You never know what you're going to get. Lacks the fire and cohesiveness that you see in the great Izzo teams. There are moments and stretches where Sparty looks like a great Izzo team. For 38 minutes, able to build a 10 pt lead on the road at Iowa. And then... Some heroic wins, but some completely unexplainable losses.
I think against MU, they will play Hall and Hauser at forward a lot, instead of Sissoko or the rest of the non-descript back up 5's. It makes sense, as Hall is 6'8 and Joey 6'9. I think that if OMax stays home on Hauser and stays out of foul trouble, MU wins that match up. When Sissoko is not in the game, MSU lacks a shot blocker. Still good rebounders. MSU will play big with Hauser, Hall and a 5. Then
The guard play will be the norm. MSU has played a lot of 3 guard this year. They don't have a lock down defender. As always, MSU will attempt to be the more physical team. All year, I have watched MSU guards and thought Seton Hall.
MU's best is better than MSU's best.
Good scouting report, tower. Hope you have one ready for our 2nd-round matchup against USC.
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MSU fans love their draw, much like we like ours. They view us as the most 'beatable' 2-seed. MSU does not have a true 5 who dominates the post, which is good for MU. MSU is not a great rebounding team, which is good for MU. For most of the season, MSU has really struggled with turnovers; they've cleaned it up over the past month, but haven't faced a ball-pressure team quite like MU. They have Izzo, upper classmen with leadership and experience, and can get hot from 3...which can make them dangerous. But on paper, the matchup leans to us.
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The worst 2 seed is still a 2 seed. Either way we will have to play well to move on. I think we do.
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Good scouting report, tower. Hope you have one ready for our 2nd-round matchup against USC.
I have watched USC for 10 minutes all season. No idea.
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My first thought about a potential Michigan State game? Joey Hauser pick and roll defense. That's where Marquette feasts.
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My first thought about a potential Michigan State game? Joey Hauser pick and roll defense. That's where Marquette feasts.
Can we get Wojo doing the halftime report for the game? Guy that lead to his downfall vs team that fired him.
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C'mon Gang, forget about Joey Hauser.
It's another tournament game against a good coach with a mediocre team.
We played with UConn, which is better than MSU. We played with Xavier, who also is better than MSU. We played St. john's twice in a week and roared back and bit 'em in the Big East.
We go about nine deep. They don't.
F**k 'em!
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Better not to get overconfident. Since Crean came from MSU, I think MSU has always looked down on MU. Just another team from the Izzo coaching tree. Was it MSU in Greensboro we played with an injured Dominic James and the team had shaved heads? We got destroyed.
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Better not to get overconfident. Since Crean came from MSU, I think MSU has always looked down on MU. Just another team from the Izzo coaching tree. Was it MSU in Greensboro we played with an injured Dominic James and the team had shaved heads? We got destroyed.
That was Mizzou. We played them in an 8/9 game after Jerel got hurt. I believe 2007. It was ugly.
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Jerel was injured, not DJ.
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Thanks, Cheebs09 and Tower. Did MU play MSU in the tournament?
I seem to recall a big buildup of mentor versus student when Crean was Coach.
If not, guess just time playing tricks on me.
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Sparty just got handled by Ohio State. I hope they have an answer for USC.
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Thanks, Cheebs09 and Tower. Did MU play MSU in the tournament?
I seem to recall a big buildup of mentor versus student when Crean was Coach.
If not, guess just time playing tricks on me.
Sparty put a whuppin on MU the year Jerel was out with a thumb injury.
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MU is good, but the weakest of the #2's, so Sparty could have done a lot worse.
So, if MSU gets past USC, which is far from certain......
My take on Sparty. Forest Gump, Life is like a box of chocolates. You never know what you're going to get. Lacks the fire and cohesiveness that you see in the great Izzo teams. There are moments and stretches where Sparty looks like a great Izzo team. For 38 minutes, able to build a 10 pt lead on the road at Iowa. And then... Some heroic wins, but some completely unexplainable losses.
I think against MU, they will play Hall and Hauser at forward with a 3 guard set a lot, instead of Sissoko or the rest of the non-descript back up 5's. It makes sense, as Hall is 6'8 and Joey 6'9. I think that if OMax stays home on Hauser and stays out of foul trouble, MU wins that match up. When Sissoko is not in the game, MSU lacks a shot blocker. Still good rebounders. MSU will play big with Hauser, Hall and a 5.
The guard play will be the norm. MSU has played a lot of 3 guard this year. They don't have a lock down defender. As always, MSU will attempt to be the more physical team. All year, I have watched MSU guards and thought Seton Hall.
MU's best is better than MSU's best.
Come on, focus on the game in front of you!!!!!
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Vermont is short, quick, shoots a lot of 3's and fared poorly out of conference.
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Sparty put a whuppin on MU the year Jerel was out with a thumb injury.
That was brutal. As I recall, it was the first game on Thursday, and we went down something like 16-2. Enthusiasm for the tourney was done by noon on Thursday that year. Bygones.
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Sparty put a whuppin on MU the year Jerel was out with a thumb injury.
Izzo put up a hybrid picket fence zone defense to stop dribble penetration and his protégé didn't respond with a counter until it was too late. Incredibly, MU had zero two point baskets in the first half as Crean kept going to his endless loop three man weave. Maddening.
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Vermont is short, quick, shoots a lot of 3's and fared poorly out of conference.
they lost to Yale by 29, be very afraid...
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I was wondering if anyone on MU's roster was on MU's roster when Joey was. Then I remembered that Joey has been in college for a decade and is a balding middle aged man, while our roster is the youngest in the BE. Go MU.
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Izzo put up a hybrid picket fence zone defense to stop dribble penetration and his protégé didn't respond with a counter until it was too late. Incredibly, MU had zero two point baskets in the first half as Crean kept going to his endless loop three man weave. Maddening.
I still have nightmares about Crean's 3-Man Weave offense that often took place out near the half-court circle until the shot clock ran most of the way down.
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I was wondering if anyone on MU's roster was on MU's roster when Joey was. Then I remembered that Joey has been in college for a decade and is a balding middle aged man, while our roster is the youngest in the BE. Go MU.
Would he have been there when Oso was taking his visits?
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I was wondering if anyone on MU's roster was on MU's roster when Joey was. Then I remembered that Joey has been in college for a decade and is a balding middle aged man, while our roster is the youngest in the BE. Go MU.
Ha!!
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In 2007, State got out to a 14-0 lead and never looked back. MSU 61, MU 49. I don't see history repeating.
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In 2007, State got out to a 14-0 lead and never looked back. MSU 61, MU 49. I don't see history repeating.
You just HAD to remind me of that fiasco, didn't you? ;D
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We played State in a thanksgiving tournament during the Wojo era also. We obviously lost
State sucks this year. We’ll destroy them
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We played State in a thanksgiving tournament during the Wojo era also. We obviously lost
State sucks this year. We’ll destroy them
Exactly. What happened against MSU -- or any other team -- 5 or 10 or 20 years ago has nothing to do with this Marquette squad and this NCAA tournament.
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State sucks this year. We’ll destroy them
But only after USC destroys them first?
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Sparty put a whuppin on MU the year Jerel was out with a thumb injury.
I was at that game in Winston Salem. MU fell behind something like 14-0 and never really got back in it. They got manhandled by MSU’s muscle.
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Its pretty funny with the USC MSU matchup that Drew Peterson (Actually Good Joey Hauser) will be squaring off against his ugly step brother. USC is the better team IMO
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But only after USC destroys them first?
Hopefully. I live in the Detroit area and the majority of my friends went to State so I’d love to see them not even advance
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I'm sure the media wants to play up the Hauser-MU connection (don't think the selection committee doesn't do some of this stuff on purpose), but this is a completely different program than when Hauser played here. He has no beef with our current coach or our current team, as far as I know. He's probably tired of hearing about it too. If it happens, I'm pretty sure Shaka and TKo will approach like every other game - just another team standing between MU and its ultimate goal.
Frankly, I'm more disgusted by how many pundit types have Duke coming out of our region. Why? Because they beat the interminably slow Virginia cavaliers, whose transplanted offense served them about as well as Bucky's did against Ohio State? We've won against some really tough teams this year. Hell, we led Purdue at Mackay for most of the game until they took the lead for good in the last few minutes. And that was before the team was working like the clockwork we saw in the Xavier game Saturday. People who haven't been paying attention this year will see a MUBB team that is different than anything they've seen before. We may not win 'em all be we sure as hell are going to try. F*ck 'em!
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I'm sure the media wants to play up the Hauser-MU connection (don't think the selection committee doesn't do some of this stuff on purpose),
It's purely coincidental. Think of the game 6 degrees of Kevin Bacon, but with college basketball instead. There are enough common links that it certainly looks intentional, but it is coincidental.
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Crean v Izzo. It should have been our warning.
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I used to be a huge Tom Izzo fan. The guy is one of the greatest coaches in the history of the sport and has been a stalwart in their local community. The Larry Nassar revelations and trial changed my opinion of the man.
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I used to be a huge Tom Izzo fan. The guy is one of the greatest coaches in the history of the sport and has been a stalwart in their local community. The Larry Nassar revelations and trial changed my opinion of the man.
I agree, but I think he is basically a gym teacher / basketball coach. I give him some leeway because I don't think he's a particularly smart person. Great coach but not a great or good mind.
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It's purely coincidental. Think of the game 6 degrees of Kevin Bacon, but with college basketball instead. There are enough common links that it certainly looks intentional, but it is coincidental.
Correct. Do you know how many potential round 1 & 2 matchups would have been seen as "intentional" by the NCAA & the committee?
Marquette-Mich St - the Hauser revenge game
Marquette-Texas A&M - Snake Oil Buzz vs MU
Marquette-Texas - Shaka revenge game
Marquette-VCU - Shaka's old team
Marquette-Bradley (had they made it) - Wardle
Marquette-Kentucky - most matchups in NCAA tournament history
Marquette-NC State - rematch of '74 title game
Marquette-UCLA - 2 of the greatest programs of the 70's
Etc, etc ....You can come up with an angle or storyline for most of these.
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Izzo put up a hybrid picket fence zone defense to stop dribble penetration and his protégé didn't respond with a counter until it was too late. Incredibly, MU had zero two point baskets in the first half as Crean kept going to his endless loop three man weave. Maddening.
I had forgotten how completely incompetent TC was when it came to scheming against a zone. It was like zone defense was a Novell concept that he’d never considered before. Glad I never have to see that dumb three-man weave again.
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I had forgotten how completely incompetent TC was when it came to scheming against a zone. It was like zone defense was a Novell concept that he’d never considered before. Glad I never have to see that dumb three-man weave again.
I was so bummed when his Indiana team lost to Syracuse in 2013 cuz he couldn’t handle their zone
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I still have nightmares about Crean's 3-Man Weave offense that often took place out near the half-court circle until the shot clock ran most of the way down.
I was at that game with my daughter -- and so do I!
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I was so bummed when his Indiana team lost to Syracuse in 2013 cuz he couldn’t handle their zone
My wife got mad at me because I told her IU was going to lose and the how and why. When it played out exactly like I said it would, I was the bad guy.
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In 2013, I picked Syracuse to the Final Four. I knew Indiana had no shot against that zone.
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I was at that game in Winston Salem. MU fell behind something like 14-0 and never really got back in it. They got manhandled by MSU’s muscle.
The crowd that day was overwhelmingly UNC fans, and the biggest crowd reaction from both games that session was when they put up the score of VCU beating Duke.
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My wife got mad at me because I told her IU was going to lose and the how and why. When it played out exactly like I said it would, I was the bad guy.
I hope you had a comfortable sofa.
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I was so bummed when his Indiana team lost to Syracuse in 2013 cuz he couldn’t handle their zone
Indiana did better against the zone than we did the next game. That was brutal.
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I hope you had a comfortable sofa.
Ayup.
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Sparty looked like an Izzo team in March.
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Would he have been there when Oso was taking his visits?
Before that. Didn't he play several years with Otule?
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Izzo is watching MU. Plotting how physical to be.
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MSU will be playing Sunday.
Only question yet to be answered is: Will Marquette?
I hope so.
So Tower, we know you are a MSU fan.
Who will you be rooting for if Marquette plays MSU on Sunday?
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Count that!!
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Nm wrong thread.
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Anyone know when the MU-MSU game will tip on Sunday?
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NM, I see it's at noon ET.
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MSU board extremally confident they win. good every good team weve faced underrated us.
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MSU is my second favorite team. The chasm between them and my love for MU is Grand Canyon-esque.
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Awesome.
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NM, I see it's at noon ET.
Where do you see that?
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The worst 2 seed is still a 2 seed.
I think the worst 2 seed is on a bus going home. Looking at you, Arizona.
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Michigan State is gonna be the trendy pick in round two. F**ck Em
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I truly believe this is THE game for MU. If we can get by Sparty I really like our chances moving forward.
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I truly believe this is THE game for MU. If we can get by Sparty I really like our chances moving forward.
Well it is the only one on the schedule.
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I truly believe this is THE game for MU. If we can get by Sparty I really like our chances moving forward.
I agree. If MU wins, I like their chances to move forward.
Conversely, if MU loses, I do not like their chances to move forward.
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I agree. If MU wins, I like their chances to move forward.
Conversely, if MU loses, I do not like their chances to move forward.
Let's cut the nonsense. You know exactly what I mean.
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Nonsense for agreeing with you? What are you, my wife?
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Nonsense for agreeing with you? What are you, my wife?
That's not agreeing with me.
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I truly believe this is THE game for MU. If we can get by Sparty I really like our chances moving forward.
Each game will be tougher than the last.
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Where do you see that?
Tip times won't be announced until later tonight.
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Each game will be tougher than the last.
My wife said that. I said yeah that’s how it works. Anyone have tips on comfortably sleeping on a couch?
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Michigan State is gonna be the trendy pick in round two. F**ck Em
O-max dunk city over Joey will break their soul.
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We are #2 seed for a reason and MSU is not a team to fear, by any stretch. I will start worrying about opponents that have worthy body of work. Joey and MSU do not.
Like I said in another thread about Vermont today, if were MSU in Ft Myers in December, I would say that is a nice win. Beating Baylor in December in MKE was a great win.
I get focusing on opponents, but they have far more to be concerned about than MU does.
I think MU by 10+ on Sunday, with or without a full strength Kolek.
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Each game will be tougher than the last.
Exactly.
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This will feel like last Fridays game. Basically a road game. Physical opponent. Except their coach is a hall of famer and not whatever Hurley is.
It's going to take an unreal effort to win that game. Especially if Tyler is limited.
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No way they overcome the leadership of Joey Hauser
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We are #2 seed for a reason and MSU is not a team to fear, by any stretch. I will start worrying about opponents that have worthy body of work. Joey and MSU do not.
Like I said in another thread about Vermont today, if were MSU in Ft Myers in December, I would say that is a nice win. Beating Baylor in December in MKE was a great win.
I get focusing on opponents, but they have far more to be concerned about than MU does.
I think MU by 10+ on Sunday, with or without a full strength Kolek.
Well said, Goose. Every time someone frets about matchups, my thought is, “Marquette is a tough matchup.”
Though I will say that I’d rather not MU have to test the “without a full strength Kolek” part of your post.
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For me, this is a much different type of Michigan State than some of their past glass eating teams.
Perimeter jump shooting team but with good offensive sets. Lots of 80% FT shooters but they don’t get to the line super often. (so don’t put them there) It’s more of a shoot the 3, and defend the 3, non/transition team.
It’s a favorable matchup for MUBB in my opinion as long as they can match their physicality and efficiency.
We’ll see.
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Need to put Kolek's thumb in a boot until game time.
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A decade of no success plays a role in thinking. MSU had far more to worry about than the Warriors so. We have played 34 games and have big flinched once and I have no fear of MSU.
We have waited to be the hunted and I love be the hunted. This team should fear no opponent.
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I just hope we are given a fair shake from the refs……and the love CBS has for Izzo and his resume is not advanced.
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This will feel like last Fridays game. Basically a road game. Physical opponent. Except their coach is a hall of famer and not whatever Hurley is.
It's going to take an unreal effort to win that game. Especially if Tyler is limited.
An “unreal effort”?
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Today is the most cohesive MSU has looked all year. I hope that it is a one off and not Izzo March magic.
Look for MSU to be physical with Kolek. If they happen to foul his right thumb.....
MSU's guards are somewhere between SHU's and SJU's in terms of size and physicality. MSU shoots a little better.
MSU starts 3 guards. I anticipate that Izzo will play Hauser, Hall, and 5 tbd to try to get MU out of their 3 guard sets.
Joey has been a leader and a steadying influence this season. Big 10 teams still attack him on defense. I would love to see OMax finish his straight line drives instead of planting and then attempting moves. Sissoko will help and pounce on that.
MSU guards will have sloppy streaks.
Hall is the only difference maker off the bench. From time to time, one of their freshman 5's has a stretch. But don't count on it.
This is not one of Izzo's great teams. However, they can get hot.
If Kolek is 90% of normal, MU wins.
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Does MSU have a primary message board to read up on their cocky bs?
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Marquette has been a better team than Michigan State all year. Isso is a great game coach, but so is Shaka. Marquette will win and continue to make us all proud. Eagles will soar and play with fire.
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Then only thing that gives me pause is Kolek's injury. Full strength, Marquette is much better.
Michigan State isn't as good as UConn or Xavier. Creighton is just as good, if not better, than Michigan State. Marquette went 6-2 against those teams.
Sure, Marquette could lose but I expect to see Marquette's best effort on Sunday on our way to victory.
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MU's best beats MSU's best.
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A decade of no success plays a role in thinking. MSU had far more to worry about than the Warriors so. We have played 34 games and have big flinched once and I have no fear of MSU.
We have waited to be the hunted and I love be the hunted. This team should fear no opponent.
Thumbs up, Goose.
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Only concerns would be if Kolek is limited and the crowd will be 2/3 MSU fans. More if Purdue loses tonight.
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Only concerns would be if Kolek is limited and the crowd will be 2/3 MSU fans. More if Purdue loses tonight.
Marquette has never had luck with protected seeds. Probably a similar breakdown against Murray State in Louisville.
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Joey Hauser leading MSU over MU is a nightmare for Scoopers, who relentlessly mock the guy, even though he's a pretty good player and had a really nice game today.
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Joey Hauser leading MSU over MU is a nightmare for Scoopers, who relentlessly mock the guy, even though he's a pretty good player and had a really nice game today.
OTOH this entire season has been your nightmare.
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Joey Hauser leading MSU over MU is a nightmare for Scoopers, who relentlessly mock the guy, even though he's a pretty good player and had a really nice game today.
Congratulations Stephanie.
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Joey Hauser leading MSU over MU is a nightmare for Scoopers, who relentlessly mock the guy, even though he's a pretty good player and had a really nice game today.
LOL.
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Marquette has never had luck with protected seeds. Probably a similar breakdown against Murray State in Louisville.
It didn't hurt against St. John's at MSG. Or on the road at Creighton. I'd rather be in Des Moines, but there you might run into B12 fans. The committee has said that they do not try to protect seeds after the first round, which is about all they can do. In '03, Kentucky fans complained that Marquette and Wisconsin were "only a couple hours away." Wisconsin was not even supposed to be there, as they were a #5 seed. And they were largely outnumbered because lots of them stayed home planning to go to the Final Four in New Orleans.
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This will feel like last Fridays game. Basically a road game. Physical opponent. Except their coach is a hall of famer and not whatever Hurley is.
It's going to take an unreal effort to win that game. Especially if Tyler is limited.
I agree with this analysis
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An “unreal effort”?
If MU puts in an “unreal effort” they win by 15
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Is it true Tom Izzo said the Nationwide Center was MSU's house? 😬
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Is it true Tom Izzo said the Nationwide Center was MSU's house? 😬
Yes…he owns it…..put it up in the MU locker room
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Each game will be tougher than the last.
Yup. Very real possibility now that the road to a final four goes though Michigan State, Kentucky, and Duke. Yikes!
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Yup. Very real possibility now that the road to a final four goes though Michigan State, Kentucky, and Duke. Yikes!
Is that not a dream final 4 run? Couldn't ask for anything better
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One game at a time.
Take care of MSU.
A notch up on size, physicality and maybe talent than Vermont.
Doable. We have done it before.
Go Marquette!
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Is that not a dream final 4 run? Couldn't ask for anything better
Especially this season. Each of those program’s is down.
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I think MU by 10+ on Sunday, with or without a full strength Kolek.
A 10+ victory without healthy Kolek…….wow thats bold.
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A 10+ victory without healthy Kolek…….wow thats bold.
They’re gonna shoot Kolek up with the good stuff on Sunday
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This will feel like last Fridays game. Basically a road game. Physical opponent. Except their coach is a hall of famer and not whatever Hurley is.
It's going to take an unreal effort to win that game. Especially if Tyler is limited.
You mean it will take an "unreal" effort for msu to beat mu right? We are a 2 seed for a reason, we should act like one.
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They’re gonna shoot Kolek up with the good stuff on Sunday
I don't think they are going to numb the hand of a point guard.
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MU is a very good #2 seed and it was earned over an entire season. Their goal was to be playing their basketball in March and April and they are doing so. I am expecting a defensive gem tomorrow and then on to the next opponent.
Top teams find ways to win with their C game because they know how to win. They are the better team going into the game against MSU and they should be the one’s feeling they need an unreal performance to beat us.
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I’m probably in the minority here, but I thought Kolek’s off game seemed more mental than physical. Obviously, playing in pain throws off your whole game but he seemed to let things get to him and effect his play negatively. Up to this point in the season, he’s always channeled those things into increasing his concentration and in turn his level of play, but it seemed the opposite happened yesterday. That said, because of that interpretation, I’m more encouraged that yesterday will be a singular off game than the start of a bad streak.
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Agree with Goose. This one will be won on the defensive end.
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Hopefully each teams play as well as they played on the road at Notre Dame this season.
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https://www.mlive.com/spartans/2023/03/michigan-state-rediscovers-its-defense-at-just-the-right-time-in-ncaa-tournament.html
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https://www.mlive.com/spartans/2023/03/michigan-state-rediscovers-its-defense-at-just-the-right-time-in-ncaa-tournament.html
But USC was not a great offensive team. They were 136th in adjusted offensive efficiency. Marquette is 11th.
That being said, Izzo is going to find a way to muck this up, but I think we have enough runs in us to prevail.
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We are a 2 seed for a reason, we should act like one.
Sure, I hope the team does, since they earned the seed. I'm just a dude who watches the games.
I hope it's a comfortable win, but I don't think that'll be what happens. MSU looks to have figured some things out, and they'll have 70% of that building behind them.
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Sure, I hope the team does, since they earned the seed. I'm just a dude who watches the games.
I hope it's a comfortable win, but I don't think that'll be what happens. MSU looks to have figured some things out, and they'll have 70% of that building behind them.
I don't know what you mean by "figured some things out." They were a seven seed that beat a ten. Last week they lost to a bad Ohio State team in the Big Ten tournament.
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But USC was not a great offensive team. They were 136th in adjusted offensive efficiency. Marquette is 11th.
That being said, Izzo is going to find a way to muck this up, but I think we have enough runs in us to prevail.
Izzo always wants to muck it up. They will play bully ball to the best of their abilities and then push the ball at every opportunity. It is the Izzo DNA.
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I don't know what you mean by "figured some things out." They were a seven seed that beat a ten.
I've watched a handful of their games this year, and that was as good as I've seen them on defense. They look Ellis completely out of the game. They bodied on drives and made USC take some bad midrange shots. Will it translate against MU? We'll see.
The other thing is Tyler's thumb. I don't know if MU can absorb another game like he had yesterday.
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A 10+ victory without healthy Kolek…….wow thats bold.
MSU plus 10 would be the largest wager in Vegas Sunday. Just saying.
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Sure, I hope the team does, since they earned the seed. I'm just a dude who watches the games.
I hope it's a comfortable win, but I don't think that'll be what happens. MSU looks to have figured some things out, and they'll have 70% of that building behind them.
But aren't you just a dude who watched MU win one of the best conferences out right and then follow it up with a bet win?
I dont understand why some fans cant accept MU as being a great team. Is it a Milwaukee inferiority complex?
Look, s--t happens in a lose and your out tournament, but any objective observer would say MU should win this game comfortably.
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But aren't you just a dude who watched MU win one of the best conferences out right and then follow it up with a bet win?
I dont understand why some fans cant accept MU as being a great team. Is it a Milwaukee inferiority complex?
Look, s--t happens in a lose and your out tournament, but any objective observer would say MU should win this game comfortably.
So did all the objective observers who followed Purdue, AZ and Virginia. All the Purdue pundits had no words. FDU just played a better game. That is all we can expect tomorrow, that MU play the better game.
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But aren't you just a dude who watched MU win one of the best conferences out right and then follow it up with a bet win?
I dont understand why some fans cant accept MU as being a great team. Is it a Milwaukee inferiority complex?
Look, s--t happens in a lose and your out tournament, but any objective observer would say MU should win this game comfortably.
We could be a great team and still lose to MSU, certainly possible. Look at Purdue, they are still a great team and lost to Fairleigh Dickinson.
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hairy
Winning changes everything and it provides a confidence not only to the team, but the fans as well. As you remember, during the Al era MU fans were arrogant and confident. Not just because Al was that way, but because they won.
I was thinking about individual achievements vs. team achievements and team trumps everything. Individual greatness is acknowledged by sitting courtside and being introduced during a timeout. Winning teams are honored in a ceremony because they achieved the ultimate achievement, being a winning team.
I also was thinking about the Al era and what would that era be remembered for if they did not win the NC. IMO, the NC validated an era, but without it there would have been a big hole. The great players would have been remembered, but many old fans it would felt somewhat empty. The NC was not one team, but 13 years of players that made it happen.
Basically, I am saying that winning is a mindset and contiguous. Great programs have swag about them, and I think MU is starting to bring the swag. If this team wins the NC, last year's team was part of why it happened. I think it is time for MU fans to start having swag and arrogance because the MU program is back. For the record, I admit I might have too much swag at the moment.
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We could be a great team and still lose to MSU, certainly possible. Look at Purdue, they are still a great team and lost to Fairleigh Dickinson.
Of course, I said as much. Thats not the point. The point is how you can look at both of these teams, before the game, not in hindsight, and say it will take an "unreal" effort for MU to win. Come on.
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Is there any college player who was alive the last time the Big 10 won a national championship?
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We could be a great team and still lose to MSU, certainly possible. Look at Purdue, they are still a great team and lost to Fairleigh Dickinson.
...but you said MU should win this game comfortably and some of us just have a different view of that. I for one think no tournament game is comfortable until the time runs out and we have more points than our opponent.
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hairy
Winning changes everything and it provides a confidence not only to the team, but the fans as well. As you remember, during the Al era MU fans were arrogant and confident. Not just because Al was that way, but because they won.
I was thinking about individual achievements vs. team achievements and team trumps everything. Individual greatness is acknowledged by sitting courtside and being introduced during a timeout. Winning teams are honored in a ceremony because they achieved the ultimate achievement, being a winning team.
I also was thinking about the Al era and what would that era be remembered for if they did not win the NC. IMO, the NC validated an era, but without it there would have been a big hole. The great players would have been remembered, but many old fans it would felt somewhat empty. The NC was not one team, but 13 years of players that made it happen.
Basically, I am saying that winning is a mindset and contiguous. Great programs have swag about them, and I think MU is starting to bring the swag. If this team wins the NC, last year's team was part of why it happened. I think it is time for MU fans to start having swag and arrogance because the MU program is back. For the record, I admit I might have too much swag at the moment.
Exactly. I recognize some fans dont have the al era experience and can only draw from what they know. Sustained success will change minds over time. For me I am ready for MU to be prominent again as it once was. I may not have your level of swag, but not far behind. For the record I would not be disappointed if MU lost the next game. I am convinced the program is on the right track.
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So did all the objective observers who followed Purdue, AZ and Virginia. All the Purdue pundits had no words. FDU just played a better game. That is all we can expect tomorrow, that MU play the better game.
I agree with what you are saying but would you bet on Purdue, AZ and Virginia losing a rematch in those games? I'm confident 'objective observers', like Vegas, would favor all three in a rematch.
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Warrior69
I have no problem with someone having a different opinion on the game tomorrow and can understand their thought process. IMO, I think MU is a much better basketball team and should win the game with relative ease. I agree in the tournament anything can happen, but my guess Texas fans probably think they should beat Penn State with relative ease today.
If MU wins tomorrow, I definitely will be far more cautious on my feelings on the next game. MU is not a fluke a #2 seed and their body of work is much better than MSU's. IMO, there is some extra concern for some fans because of MSU's program body of work, a HOF coach and the Joey connection.
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Is there any college player who was alive the last time the Big 10 won a national championship?
That 26 year old from Memphis. Seriously, it was 2000. A whole lot of 5th year guys.
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My daughter is a college senior and she was born in Fall of 2000, so plain old 4 year guys too
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That 26 year old from Memphis. Seriously, it was 2001. A whole lot of 5th year guys..
True but I'm confident no college player can say they remember the B10 winning.
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More accurate.
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My daughter is a college senior and she was born in Fall of 2000, so plain old 4 year guys too
I'm sure your right, but, like your daughter, very few 4 year player were born yet.
Bigger picture is that this can even be a discussion about the "greatest conference" ever. We are very close to a whole generation not seeing the B10 win a championship.
"The Pew Research Center defines generations as groups of people born within the same 15-20 year span"
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Exactly. I recognize some fans dont have the al era experience and can only draw from what they know. Sustained success will change minds over time. For me I am ready for MU to be prominent again as it once was. I may not have your level of swag, but not far behind. For the record I would not be disappointed if MU lost the next game. I am convinced the program is on the right track.
Harry we call it COLE and it is usually espoused by a Mope.
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hairy
I am big picture guy in regard to the program and I love where is the program is headed. I would be disappointed if they lost tomorrow, but would it not change my big picture view one bit. Let's hope they keep winning to keep a dream season going another week and hopefully give some fans more confidence.
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Lived in Lansing 2019-2022...lots of MSU fan friends. They think they're going to smoke us. Maybe bravado, maybe Izzo-derangement, maybe they really think that (some are pretty astute bball fans).
But whatever, they are wrong. I'll try not to rub it in come 6:45 CT :)
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Of course, I said as much. Thats not the point. The point is how you can look at both of these teams, before the game, not in hindsight, and say it will take an "unreal" effort for MU to win. Come on.
I agree that’s an inferiority complex type of statement but others seem to be dismissing MSU almost entirely.
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...but you said MU should win this game comfortably and some of us just have a different view of that. I for one think no tournament game is comfortable until the time runs out and we have more points than our opponent.
I didn’t say any of that, I just joined the conversation on this subject. Looks like you’re confusing me with Hairy Worthen.
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I agree that’s an inferiority complex type of statement but others seem to be dismissing MSU almost entirely.
No cant dismiss anyone. Ask Purdue.
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I’m probably in the minority here, but I thought Kolek’s off game seemed more mental than physical. Obviously, playing in pain throws off your whole game but he seemed to let things get to him and effect his play negatively. Up to this point in the season, he’s always channeled those things into increasing his concentration and in turn his level of play, but it seemed the opposite happened yesterday. That said, because of that interpretation, I’m more encouraged that yesterday will be a singular off game than the start of a bad streak.
Completely agree. I was shocked by his mentality and body language. I’m sure it was not getting any love from the refs on his drives and the knock to the thumb. He is a stone cold gamer, but he showed some vulnerability yesterday. However, we have seen this before, and it brings great teams together.
Edit: We were sitting about ten rows up from the bench, so I was watching him on the bench, too. Uncharacteristic Kolek, but he will get back on track.
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I think MSU is a good team. I think UConn, Creighton, Xavier are good teams. I respect them all. I think MU's best beats Sparty's best. I think Sparty's best beats MU's 85%.
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Lived in Lansing 2019-2022...lots of MSU fan friends. They think they're going to smoke us. Maybe bravado, maybe Izzo-derangement, maybe they really think that (some are pretty astute bball fans).
But whatever, they are wrong. I'll try not to rub it in come 6:45 CT :)
After moving out of Big 10 country 25 years ago, I can tell you the rest of the country views Big 10 fans as delusional and out of touch of the reality of their place in college sports. I'm not saying the rest of the country thinks the Big 10 is a mid-major, unlike Big 10 fans view of every other conference, but a solid conference that can compete at a high level but not the best in any sport.
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I think MSU is a good team. I think UConn, Creighton, Xavier are good teams. I respect them all. I think MU's best beats Sparty's best. I think Sparty's best beats MU's 85%.
I think that is fair. Objectively, MSU would be the 6th best team in the BE, right?
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I'm very confident that Marquette will win. I'm an optimist. I understand that others have tended to fear the worst about this team; it's probably a defense mechanism -- if I expect too much, I could get burned, as I've been burned in the past. We've had plenty of Scoopers express worry about DePaul, Georgetown, Butler, Vermont, Radford, Georgia Tech, etc. It's OK. Just different personalities and perhaps being afraid to totally buy into this team.
The better team doesn't always win in the NCAA tournament, which is one reason it's a special event. But Marquette IS better than Michigan State, and based on all I've seen of each team's body of work -- not to mention me being a Marquette fan -- I think we will win, probably by double digits.
Just eight days ago, seemingly the majority of Scoopers thought we'd lose to UConn. We didn't. And UConn's a lot better than Sparty.
But sure, our guys have to play well and Shaka has to coach well. And I'm confident they will.
We Are Marquette!
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Most regions view conferences in other regions as out of touch and delusional.
Like the Pac 12 losing UCLA and USC to the...
Or Nebraska.
Or UDPride
Or that chucklehead from St. Bonaventure.
Or that the Big 12 and Pac 12 haven't merged yet.
Or the ACC trying to hang on.
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My only worry tomorrow os Kolek's injury and his ability to play his game. If Kolek can be 90% I have no doubt we win.
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Completely agree. I was shocked by his mentality and body language. I’m sure it was not getting any love from the refs on his drives and the knock to the thumb. He is a stone cold gamer, but he showed some vulnerability yesterday. However, we have seen this before, and it brings great teams together.
Edit: We were sitting about ten rows up from the bench, so I was watching him on the bench, too. Uncharacteristic Kolek, but he will get back on track.
I’m expecting a really good game from Tyler on Sunday.
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I think that is fair. Objectively, MSU would be the 6th best team in the BE, right?
They’re better than Providence and very close to Xavier without Fremantle, they’d be in a battle for 4th with Xavier given the rosters as they are now.
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Most regions view conferences in other regions as out of touch and delusional.
Like the Pac 12 losing UCLA and USC to the...
Or Nebraska.
Or UDPride
Or that chucklehead from St. Bonaventure.
Or that the Big 12 and Pac 12 haven't merged yet.
Or the ACC trying to hang on.
Sure. But your geographic friendliness aside, fans of a team that lost 5 of 10 going into the tourney, including 3 to non tourney teams, and has a thoroughly middling season, thinking they will “smoke” a top 10 team that just won a major conference and it’s tournament….is a special sort of arrogance and hubris.
MSU fans thinking they have a shot? Sure. That’s not unreasonable. Thinking they will smoke MU or that MU is overrated is just B10 homer BS that we see from UW, U of I, Michigan, etc… fans all the time
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Of course it is. But fans aren't rational. Wolverine and Badger fans thought their teams just needed one more win to get in.
You can't take that stuff personally.
It is just smack, trash, and supporting their team.
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They’re gonna shoot Kolek up with the good stuff on Sunday
Thumb transplant. Good to go.
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21Jump
I agree that Tyler was not his usual rock self yesterday and not sure what caused it. But, I like I mentioned earlier in the season that Joplin is our biggest gripe, all is good with MU basketball.
I will double down on that, if Kolek’s attitude or body language was of note yesterday, then everything is really, really good with MU basketball.
I have no idea what triggered Kolek yesterday, but feel extremely confident he was built for games in March. Would be very surprised if we did not see a great performance tomorrow from him.
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This MU team is in one of those grooves that you see from teams making deep runs in the NCAA Tournament.
A team in a groove like this 'Quette team will typically only hit a road block against a team with one of these four qualities: overwhelming height, overwhelming length and athleticism on the wing, an incredible shooting team, or an incredible difference in terms of the quality of coaches.
This MSU team is none of these. It does not have height and it does not have the long athletic wings it's had in the past. Yes, it shoots the 3ball well, but it does not take a lot of three point shots and overall it shots the ball below average.
It terms of coaching, Coach Izzo has experience and a National Title, but I don't see a big difference between him and Smart Coach.
Not only is the 'Quette in a groove, but I believe they are bigger and more athletic than MSU.
Anything can happen but simple logic tells me that if the 'Quette continues to play "its game" and plays solid perimeter team defense in this game tomorrow, I see them advancing to the Sweet Sixteen and for MSU I see it being curtains!
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Completely agree. I was shocked by his mentality and body language. I’m sure it was not getting any love from the refs on his drives and the knock to the thumb. He is a stone cold gamer, but he showed some vulnerability yesterday. However, we have seen this before, and it brings great teams together.
Edit: We were sitting about ten rows up from the bench, so I was watching him on the bench, too. Uncharacteristic Kolek, but he will get back on track.
I also agree. My hope is that he was distracted because he was scared that the injury was serious and that he has since found out that it is not as serious as he feared. I also think he was trying too hard to put the team on his back and carry them. Assuming the injury isn't too serious, I think TyKo is going to have an outstanding game tomorrow.
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Of course, I said as much. Thats not the point. The point is how you can look at both of these teams, before the game, not in hindsight, and say it will take an "unreal" effort for MU to win. Come on.
Man, you're fixated on this.
Beating good teams on the road is really hard. And that's what MU is gonna have to do tomorrow. It's gonna take close to their best effort to get it done, especially with TK likely limited to some degree.
I still think they'll win, but it won't be a stroll.
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I'm glad a few others noticed that Kolek wasn't his usual self.
He got hurt, had to leave the game for a bit, came back, immediately hit a 3 and a driving layup. But after that, he missed several drives that he has been making, and he got bodied on at least a couple of them. I don't know if he was frustrated about the no-calls, frustrated about the misses or feeling a little pain, but he got the kind of frustration foul that he's too good to get. It was his second and he then had to go to the bench for an extended period. And he picked up his third foul early in the second half, went to the bench, and wasn't really "in" the game. When Kam was scoring as if it were a video game, the TV cameras would show our bench and the guys were going crazy ... except Tyler.
Anyway, I'm going with it being a one-off. He's gonna be great tomorrow.
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Man, you're fixated on this.
Beating good teams on the road is really hard. And that's what MU is gonna have to do tomorrow. It's gonna take close to their best effort to get it done, especially with TK likely limited to some degree.
I still think they'll win, but it won't be a stroll.
Lol what ever u say boss. Not a home game for msu btw
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MSU plus 10 would be the largest wager in Vegas Sunday. Just saying.
Wonder if Goose will pull the trigger….alot of $ to be made on that statement.
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Lol what ever u say boss. Not a home game for msu btw
Yeah it’s a neutral site that will likely have a larger MSU crowd. That’s hardly a “road game.”
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I’m expecting a really good game from Tyler on Sunday.
100%
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21Jump
I agree that Tyler was not his usual rock self yesterday and not sure what caused it. But, I like I mentioned earlier in the season that Joplin is our biggest gripe, all is good with MU basketball.
I will double down on that, if Kolek’s attitude or body language was of note yesterday, then everything is really, really good with MU basketball.
I have no idea what triggered Kolek yesterday, but feel extremely confident he was built for games in March. Would be very surprised if we did not see a great performance tomorrow from him.
Completely agree, Goose. It was noticeable with Tyler, because it is rare. It was also noticeable because our guys picking each other up and putting in selfless, violent, intentional effort has become the way. I love this team.
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I agree that Tyler was not his usual rock self yesterday and not sure what caused it. But, I like I mentioned earlier in the season that Joplin is our biggest gripe, all is good with MU basketball.
I will double down on that, if Kolek’s attitude or body language was of note yesterday, then everything is really, really good with MU basketball.
I have no idea what triggered Kolek yesterday, but feel extremely confident he was built for games in March. Would be very surprised if we did not see a great performance tomorrow from him.
Tyler had some fear in his eyes and not the fire. My wife and I discussed how he seemed ot be out of sorts. Hoping it was just the fear of hand issue and that those fears are put to rest now.
A little surprised he was out there much with a 20 pt lead--but I guess that also says the team wasn't too concerned about the thumb.
I expect a fired up team tomorrow. We match better with MSU than we did UConn from my eye test, but I am also not fully sure what to make of this MSU roster. If you can stop Hoggard and Joey with Stevie and O-Max, I think good things will happen. Ideally we're able to punch first like the X game and then can smother on defense when they have to chuck to get back into it.
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Yeah it’s a neutral site that will likely have a larger MSU crowd. That’s hardly a “road game.”
No, it is a neutral site game. No telling who the the FAU/FDU fans will be cheering for, though there probably will not be that many. But you can also figure that some Marquette fans will make the trip. Every neutral site game has more fans for one side than another. Could be that the locals will be cheering against MSU. But they are not playing at home on their home court staying in their own rooms and the like. They are on the road as well. And we have done pretty well on the road of late. I doubt it will make much of a difference.
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I didn’t say any of that, I just joined the conversation on this subject. Looks like you’re confusing me with Hairy Worthen.
My bad, clicked on the the wrong quote.
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No way they overcome the leadership of Joey Hauser
Did Joey write another letter?
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Tyler had some fear in his eyes and not the fire. My wife and I discussed how he seemed ot be out of sorts. Hoping it was just the fear of hand issue and that those fears are put to rest now.
A little surprised he was out there much with a 20 pt lead--but I guess that also says the team wasn't too concerned about the thumb.
I expect a fired up team tomorrow. We match better with MSU than we did UConn from my eye test, but I am also not fully sure what to make of this MSU roster. If you can stop Hoggard and Joey with Stevie and O-Max, I think good things will happen. Ideally we're able to punch first like the X game and then can smother on defense when they have to chuck to get back into it.
At first I also wondered why Shaka had Kolek out there once the game was essentially won. But I think maybe it was to help reinforce in Tyler's mind: "See, you're OK. The thumb's not gonna keep you from having your usual terrific game against Michigan State."
And I really like your last paragraph about how we're gonna deal with Sparty.
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https://twitter.com/John_Fanta/status/1637180722049085440?s=20
Fanta talks to Izzo. Not a ton of insight into his thoughts on MU. Some talk about his team, more macro discussion about the the tourney and the state of college basketball.
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hairy
Winning changes everything and it provides a confidence not only to the team, but the fans as well. As you remember, during the Al era MU fans were arrogant and confident. Not just because Al was that way, but because they won.
I was thinking about individual achievements vs. team achievements and team trumps everything. Individual greatness is acknowledged by sitting courtside and being introduced during a timeout. Winning teams are honored in a ceremony because they achieved the ultimate achievement, being a winning team.
I also was thinking about the Al era and what would that era be remembered for if they did not win the NC. IMO, the NC validated an era, but without it there would have been a big hole. The great players would have been remembered, but many old fans it would felt somewhat empty. The NC was not one team, but 13 years of players that made it happen.
Basically, I am saying that winning is a mindset and contiguous. Great programs have swag about them, and I think MU is starting to bring the swag. If this team wins the NC, last year's team was part of why it happened. I think it is time for MU fans to start having swag and arrogance because the MU program is back. For the record, I admit I might have too much swag at the moment.
I would agree with you Goose. Winning changes everyones perspective.
Imo, Sunday is a huge game for that mindset. While it was great to finally get a tournament W, nobody thought MU was not going to win against Vermont. Now we are on the big stage Sunday on CBS against a historically well regarded program and HOF coach. Win Sunday and the doubters will begin to wake up. I cannot tell you how many of my friends have picked MSU to win, because they are MSU. They are not believers that MU can win against big time opponents in the NCAA. Time to remove that monkey off our back.
Here's to hoping Shaka has the boys ready and we move back into Dan Hurley's house next weekend!!!
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I would agree with you Goose. Winning changes everyones perspective.
Imo, Sunday is a huge game for that mindset. While it was great to finally get a tournament W, nobody thought MU was not going to win against Vermont. Now we are on the big stage Sunday on CBS against a historically well regarded program and HOF coach. Win Sunday and the doubters will begin to wake up. I cannot tell you how many of my friends have picked MSU to win, because they are MSU. They are not believers that MU can win against big time opponents in the NCAA. Time to remove that monkey off our back.
Here's to hoping Shaka has the boys ready and we move back into Dan Hurley's house next weekend!!!
Is that Goose Gansler? I would wholeheartedly agree with what he's sayin'.
What's the deal with the "hairy Worthen" name? Is there something I'm missing with the meaning? I loved watching Sam play.. BTW - I think "hairy reason" would be an incredible screan name?
Back to the topic...
MU is bigger, more athletic, and has great coaching like MSU. The only possible weakness I see is MU's perimeter defense against MSU. If MSU shoots the three ball a lot and well, MU will be in a white knuckler. Otherwise, if MU plays good perimeter defense I see them winning solid and advancing.
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https://www.mlive.com/spartans/2023/03/full-circle-michigan-states-joey-hauser-set-to-face-former-school-marquette-in-ncaa-tournament.html
Joey choosing diplomacy and avoiding the bulletin board.
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https://www.mlive.com/spartans/2023/03/full-circle-michigan-states-joey-hauser-set-to-face-former-school-marquette-in-ncaa-tournament.html
Joey choosing diplomacy and avoiding the bulletin board.
Someone from the coaching staff prepped him for those questions.
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Well, yeah. It was impossible for those questions to not be asked.
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To be fair, he’s not wrong. It’s a different team completely.
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https://www.jsonline.com/story/sports/college/marquette/2023/03/18/michigan-states-joey-hauser-to-play-against-former-team-marquette/70023314007/
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Is that Goose Gansler? I would wholeheartedly agree with what he's sayin'.
What's the deal with the "hairy Worthen" name? Is there something I'm missing with the meaning? I loved watching Sam play.. BTW - I think "hairy reason" would be an incredible screan name?
Back to the topic...
MU is bigger, more athletic, and has great coaching like MSU. The only possible weakness I see is MU's perimeter defense against MSU. If MSU shoots the three ball a lot and well, MU will be in a white knuckler. Otherwise, if MU plays good perimeter defense I see them winning solid and advancing.
Hmmm hairy reason. That's even better, well done. Worthen one of my favs and I have more hair than he had at MU sooo.
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Well, yeah. It was impossible for those questions to not be asked.
Fans make a bigger deal out of this than the player/s do. I truly believe he rarely thinks about Marquette at all
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Agreed. I posted earlier that there are a few hundred MU fans who still give a crap. The basketball world at large? Meh. A story at tourney time.
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Agreed. I posted earlier that there are a few hundred MU fans who still give a crap. The basketball world at large? Meh. A story at tourney time.
I was at a March Madness party yesterday with some MU grads and I asked them about it and got shoulder shrugs. I think the Marquette fans still yammering about this are largely on scoop. You don’t even see it from Marquette fans on social media
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To be fair, he’s not wrong. It’s a different team completely.
I'm sure he still has some motivation for revenge even though he wont say it. Had he stayed at MU he wouldn't even be on this team
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I'm sure he still has some motivation for revenge even though he wont say it. Had he stayed at MU he wouldn't even be on this team
Let's hope he and the rest of MSU are looking for motivation beyond getting to the S16. I think Shaka and the players have all the motivation they ever need and Joey ain't one of them.
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Listened to an MSU podcast today. Tons of takeaways:
- They think we have a gimmicky defense and that pressure and deflections lead to wide open looks if you get past half court.
- They don't think Oso presents any real threat because he isn't big enough.
- They think their best is as good or better than our best.
- They seem to think Shaka's success is largely based on his cool and alliterative name. (Seriously)
- They seem to think we're a less disciplined version of Northwestern.
- They didn't make predictions, but strongly favored Izzo and seem to think we're likely to lose because we have a long winning streak.
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Listened to an MSU podcast today. Tons of takeaways:
- They think we have a gimmicky defense and that pressure and deflections lead to wide open looks if you get past half court.
- They don't think Oso presents any real threat because he isn't big enough.
- They think their best is as good or better than our best.
- They seem to think Shaka's success is largely based on his cool and alliterative name. (Seriously)
- They seem to think we're a less disciplined version of Northwestern.
- They didn't make predictions, but strongly favored Izzo and seem to think we're likely to lose because we have a long winning streak.
Really astute analysis.
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Listened to an MSU podcast today. Tons of takeaways:
- They think we have a gimmicky defense and that pressure and deflections lead to wide open looks if you get past half court.
- They don't think Oso presents any real threat because he isn't big enough.
- They think their best is as good or better than our best.
- They seem to think Shaka's success is largely based on his cool and alliterative name. (Seriously)
- They seem to think we're a less disciplined version of Northwestern.
- They didn't make predictions, but strongly favored Izzo and seem to think we're likely to lose because we have a long winning streak.
Did you get a count of the number of times they said “dude” and “like”?
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Really astute analysis.
And how is that analysis any different from a Cracked Sidewalks podcast?
MSU should be confident. They have good talent and a HOF coach. Should be a very close game.
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And how is that analysis any different from a Cracked Sidewalks podcast?
MSU should be confident. They have good talent and a HOF coach. Should be a very close game.
You serious, Clark?
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Listened to an MSU podcast today. Tons of takeaways:
- They think we have a gimmicky defense and that pressure and deflections lead to wide open looks if you get past half court.
- They don't think Oso presents any real threat because he isn't big enough.
- They think their best is as good or better than our best.
- They seem to think Shaka's success is largely based on his cool and alliterative name. (Seriously)
- They seem to think we're a less disciplined version of Northwestern.
- They didn't make predictions, but strongly favored Izzo and seem to think we're likely to lose because we have a long winning streak.
F#@k Em
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I don't think our defense is gimmicky, but it's certainly true about getting good looks if you beat the double teams/traps when MU uses them.
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I don't think our defense is gimmicky, but it's certainly true about getting good looks if you beat the double teams/traps when MU uses them.
I think people who are used to a traditional, Big Ten type defense like Izzo's can look at Marquette's and label it gimmicky. Izzo guards from inside out and wants to limit penetration and good looks. Marquette's defense is about creating deflections, pace and wearing a team down over time. Yes it is going to give up good looks at times - especially early. But that's not a "gimmick." It's just a different way to think about defense.
Vermont was getting good shots - until they weren't. Shaka believes that teams aren't going to be able to keep up for 40 minutes. And so far he's largely been right.
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I agree on giving up open looks, especially early in the game. It seems that Shaka has made the right adjustments during the game and I expect the same.
I am very happy that our defense looks gimmicky compared to the Big Ten. Obviously another example of doing things the right way.
Feel good about the game?
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Yes. We are the better team. The only reason I'm concerned is because Izzo is a really good coach. Last year they were also a 7 seed, and gave Duke a good game in the second round. Eventually the better team won, and I am expecting the same today.
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This is the arrogance of the PigPen media talking. I'm sure the Michigan State fan base and basketball team also feel the same.
Anyone associated with the PigPen (teams, media, fans) is going to stick their noses up at teams/fans affiliated with any other conference. They are arrogant bullies.
As a team you have to mentally and physically stand up to all of this arrogance associated with these programs and figuratively punch them in the mouth early in the game. But the key is making sure you are still playing "your own game".
Marquette simply needs to let Sparty know its our time, not theirs. Then, if Marquette stays loose and plays its game it will be fine.
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Yes. We are the better team. The only reason I'm concerned is because Izzo is a really good coach. Last year they were also a 7 seed, and gave Duke a good game in the second round. Eventually the better team won, and I am expecting the same today.
MU is better in 4 out of five games with how each team has been playing at the end of the season. But, if there is a handful of coaches who can muck that up it’s Izzo. Expect a MSU friendly whistle, bully ball and the crowd working against MU. That said, that hubris can work against a team with MU’s fight and grit. Tyler will be keyed on so let’s hope the thumb is recovered and that Tyler won’t again play frustrated as he will be targeted.
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I'm not worried about the crowd one bit. I think if there is one narrative about this game that is completely overstated, this is it.
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MU is better in 4 out of five games with how each team has been playing at the end of the season. But, if there is a handful of coaches who can muck that up it’s Izzo. Expect a MSU friendly whistle, bully ball and the crowd working against MU. That said, that hubris can work against a team with MU’s fight and grit. Tyler will be keyed on so let’s hope the thumb is recovered and that Tyler won’t again play frustrated as he will be targeted.
Michigan State plays a lot of dumb basketball
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I'm not worried about the crowd one bit. I think if there is one narrative about this game that is completely overstated, this is it.
Totally agree. Regardless of what some are saying, this will not be a home game for Michigan State. The BET game against UConn was far closer to a home game for UConn ... but even that wasn't a "road" game for us, and our guys overcame what little advantage there was for UConn by simply playing better.
Michigan State plays a lot of dumb basketball
Yep. I saw a few of their losses and they just did idiotic things on the court, and their guards tend to get real 1-on-1-ish when things get tight. Won't be surprised if our guys force them into that today.
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I agree with this assessment. If bad Sparty shows up, MU by double digits. If Izzo March magic shows up, coin flip.
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Marquette is ranked 3rd nationally in turnover margin (+5.3).
Sparty is ranked 260th (-1.0).
Our guys will do what Marquette does ... and have a helping hand in getting Sparty to do what Sparty does.
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Totally agree. Regardless of what some are saying, this will not be a home game for Michigan State. The BET game against UConn was far closer to a home game for UConn ... but even that wasn't a "road" game for us, and our guys overcame what little advantage there was for UConn by simply playing better.
I don’t know the basis of this assessment but I can say with certainty that 80% of the sell out versus USC was cheering for Sparty. Maybe some of that was B1G brethren Purdue and tOSU fans but the NCAA only gave MU 450 tickets for staff, families and the Top 50 STH. Now, MU fans are here in numbers and I noticed a significant uptick in Warriors arriving yesterday, but this will be a road game by any definition. Lansing is a 3.5 hour drive and Detroit is a tad more than 3.
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I like that MSU only had a day to prep for us. Not nearly enough time for them to face Shaka-style.
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I don’t know the basis of this assessment but I can say with certainty that 80% of the sell out versus USC was cheering for Sparty. Maybe some of that was B1G brethren Purdue and tOSU fans but the NCAA only gave MU 450 tickets for staff, families and the Top 50 STH. Now, MU fans are here in numbers and I noticed a significant uptick in Warriors arriving yesterday, but this will be a road game by any definition. Lansing is a 3.5 hour drive and Detroit is a tad more than 3.
I've been to the Breslin Center for MSU basketball games; it's not Phog or Cameron level wild, but it's not far behind. I seriously doubt today's atmosphere in Nationwide Arena will approach the rabid, pro-Sparty atmosphere at the Breslin Center. Those who will be there can correct me if I turn out to have been wrong about that.
Either way, that's not what will beat Marquette, just as a decidedly pro-UConn crowd didn't beat Marquette last week at MSG.
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I've been to the Breslin Center for MSU basketball games; it's not Phog or Cameron level wild, but it's not far behind. I seriously doubt today's atmosphere in Nationwide Arena will approach the rabid, pro-Sparty atmosphere at the Breslin Center. Those who will be there can correct me if I turn out to have been wrong about that.
Either way, that's not what will beat Marquette, just as a decidedly pro-UConn crowd didn't beat Marquette last week at MSG.
Breslin sure has the students and I think they ring the court there, but the MSU Chevy Cavalier alumni are here in big numbers.
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Agreed. I posted earlier that there are a few hundred MU fans who still give a crap. The basketball world at large? Meh. A story at tourney time.
I posted this in a different thread, but sort of how I see it.
MSU: Joey revenge game!
Current Marquette program:
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OK, Dr. B, I defer to your first-hand experience in Columbus. Again, a pro-MSU crowd is not the thing about this game that concerns me much, but maybe it will turn out to have been a major factor.
Cheer hard and bring us home a win, and that's an order.
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I like that MSU only had a day to prep for us. Not nearly enough time for them to face Shaka-style.
Maybe the players, but I’m sure at least on coach was prepping for MU once the bracket came out.
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We got this - Dickie V just said Michigan St has a good chance to win.
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I'm not worried about the crowd one bit. I think if there is one narrative about this game that is completely overstated, this is it.
Yep. Crowd was pro UConn at Hurley's house and it did not matter.
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We got this - Dickie V just said Michigan St has a good chance to win.
He's probably also still predicting Duke in the Final Four.
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He's probably also still predicting Duke in the Final Four.
He’s busy prepping his notes for a Duke/Kansas final. 🙄
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He's probably also still predicting Duke in the Final Four.
Can’t ever count out the Tar Heels and Hubert Davis, baby!
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To Vitale he just beat Marquette under Al and ended our program so of course we don't win.
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I’m amazed they still trot him out there. He’s a diaper dandy at this point.