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Title: Attendance
Post by: BLWarrior91 on February 01, 2023, 10:50:15 PM
What is it going to take for Marquette to sell out weeknight games?  They are the #14 team in the nation playing Villanova.  We play an exciting style of basketball.  Yet tonight’s attendance was only 13,344. We drew crowds that size when Dukiet was the coach the first year at the BC.

Why does Creighton draw better than Marquette?  I know there’s nothing to do in Omaha but there’s more people in Milwaukee and Marquette is a bigger school with a bigger basketball tradition.

The marketing department needs to get that building filled.  Shaka and the team are certainly doing their part.

 
Title: Re: Attendance
Post by: brewcity77 on February 01, 2023, 10:56:42 PM
Every time I bring up marketing issues, I'm told the professionals at Marquette know what they're doing. Sold a lot of upper deck tickets to people disguised as empty seats.
Title: Re: Attendance
Post by: BLWarrior91 on February 01, 2023, 11:04:04 PM
Every time I bring up marketing issues, I'm told the professionals at Marquette know what they're doing. Sold a lot of upper deck tickets to people disguised as empty seats.

How hard could it be to sell another 4000 tickets? 

Empty seats aren’t intimidating to the opposition. 
Title: Re: Attendance
Post by: We R Final Four on February 01, 2023, 11:04:10 PM
What is it going to take for Marquette to sell out weeknight games?  They are the #14 team in the nation playing Villanova.  We play an exciting style of basketball.  Yet tonight’s attendance was only 13,344. We drew crowds that size when Dukiet was the coach the first year at the BC.

Why does Creighton draw better than Marquette?  I know there’s nothing to do in Omaha but there’s more people in Milwaukee and Marquette is a bigger school with a bigger basketball tradition.

The marketing department needs to get that building filled.  Shaka and the team are certainly doing their part.

You should have saved this bitch for when we play X in a few weeks.
Dukiet had similar crowds? Hmmm
Title: Re: Attendance
Post by: brewcity77 on February 01, 2023, 11:05:54 PM
On the upside, Shaka did say that when he looked at the corners of Wintrust on Saturday, he was reminded of Al and selling out the building. So I guess he's doing his job in Chicago.
Title: Re: Attendance
Post by: Shooter Flatch on February 01, 2023, 11:07:20 PM
I couldn’t believe how many empty seats there were in the student section. They should never need the tarps for conference games.
Title: Re: Attendance
Post by: We R Final Four on February 01, 2023, 11:08:07 PM
I hate the band.
Title: Re: Attendance
Post by: HowardsWorld on February 01, 2023, 11:09:03 PM
To be completely blunt the fiserv forum is located in a crap hole city. Myself like many others refuse to go downtown due to stolen vehicles. Has little to do imo with the product in the court. Also the overprice of concessions milking every dollar for the fans doesn’t help either imo.
Title: Re: Attendance
Post by: muhoosier260 on February 01, 2023, 11:09:14 PM
People don't want to have their ears blasted for 2.5 hrs. with 120 decibels of Pitbull when they can watch at home. Seriously, games at FF are almost unwatchable with all the NBA stadium bs going on, very noticeable tonight with a smaller crowd.
Title: Re: Attendance
Post by: cheebs09 on February 01, 2023, 11:10:38 PM
To be completely blunt the fiserv forum is located in a crap hole city. Myself like many others refuse to go downtown due to stolen vehicles. Has little to do imo with the product in the court. Also the overprice of concessions milking every dollar for the fans doesn’t help either imo.

I don’t think your vehicle is at risk since all the dentists are inside the stadium.
Title: Re: Attendance
Post by: 94Warrior on February 01, 2023, 11:11:06 PM
They should bring back the pre-game $2 nachos and the $3 Haams special on weeknights.  Was that in the last year of the BC? 

The fans loved it.  It couldn't hurt.
Title: Re: Attendance
Post by: DoctorV on February 01, 2023, 11:11:40 PM
People don't want to have their ears blasted for 2.5 hrs. with 120 decibels of Pitbull when they can watch at home. Seriously, games at FF are almost unwatchable with all the NBA stadium bs going on, very noticeable tonight with a smaller crowd.

Absurd.

Show up and support your team.

I get it, sometimes it’s easier to just avoid the dangerous city with the loud noises, but cmon.

Cura Personalis
Title: Re: Attendance
Post by: DoctorV on February 01, 2023, 11:12:22 PM
I don’t think your vehicle is at risk since all the dentists are inside the stadium.

Not true.
You better lock your doors
Title: Re: Attendance
Post by: HowardsWorld on February 01, 2023, 11:13:38 PM
I had my car stolen last year during the ncaa tournament and I haven’t gone down since for a game because of this. Freaking Hyundai
Title: Re: Attendance
Post by: We R Final Four on February 01, 2023, 11:14:18 PM
Haha…..it has been a unnatural carnal knowledgeing unbelievable season at the Fiserv this year. For those who bitch and bitch and bitch and then stop bitching to tell you they have it so better at their bar/home…..whatever. Im so glad to have experienced last weekend at Wintrust….and every game at FF. Wouldn’t trade it for anything.
Title: Re: Attendance
Post by: CountryRoads on February 01, 2023, 11:17:55 PM
I couldn’t believe how many empty seats there were in the student section. They should never need the tarps for conference games.

It’s a fact that the best crowd all year was UCONN when the students were gone. Their impact is overrated.
Title: Re: Attendance
Post by: We R Final Four on February 01, 2023, 11:20:33 PM
It’s a fact that the best crowd all year was UCONN when the students were gone. Their impact is overrated.
A fact…..how do they gauge “best crowd”? Not by attendance apparently…its a fact jack.
Title: Re: Attendance
Post by: CountryRoads on February 01, 2023, 11:21:19 PM
A fact…..how do they gauge “best crowd”? Not by attendance apparently…its a fact jack.

Then name a better one…
Title: Re: Attendance
Post by: 94Warrior on February 01, 2023, 11:21:37 PM
 Watching at home is no comparison to being there in person. 

I enjoyed the Tues night Seton Hall game so much this year, I wasn't even pissed when I got back to my car and my window was smashed.
Title: Re: Attendance
Post by: HowardsWorld on February 01, 2023, 11:23:00 PM
Watching at home is no comparison to being there in person. 

I enjoyed the Tues night Seton Hall game so much this year, I wasn't even pissed when I got back to my car and my window was smashed.

I laughed way to hard at this man. My condolences.
Title: Re: Attendance
Post by: cheebs09 on February 01, 2023, 11:23:42 PM
You know things are going good when we are complaining about the crowd. It was lighter than I expected, but I think that’s the way of the world now.
Title: Re: Attendance
Post by: warriorchick on February 01, 2023, 11:25:38 PM
Since becoming a snowbird, the one thing I miss is being able to attend Marquette games in person.
Title: Re: Attendance
Post by: We R Final Four on February 01, 2023, 11:27:30 PM
You know things are going good when we are complaining about the crowd. It was lighter than I expected, but I think that’s the way of the world now.
Exactly……but you should have bitched about it…….to somebody somewhere…on scoop.. or your neighbors.
Title: Re: Attendance
Post by: HowardsWorld on February 01, 2023, 11:29:32 PM
Exactly……but you should have bitched about it…….to somebody somewhere…on scoop.. or your neighbors.

Sure beats bitching about wojo or the projos
Title: Re: Attendance
Post by: muhoosier260 on February 01, 2023, 11:29:44 PM
Absurd.

Show up and support your team.

I get it, sometimes it’s easier to just avoid the dangerous city with the loud noises, but cmon.

Cura Personalis

I was at the game bud. I suppose if more people showed up they wouldn't have to blast us all with terrible music and whatnot. Serious question, do you enjoy all that trash that they do during timeouts?
Title: Re: Attendance
Post by: TallTitan34 on February 01, 2023, 11:29:49 PM
I think crapty officiating makes for a better crowd as it gets them into it.
Title: Re: Attendance
Post by: 94Warrior on February 01, 2023, 11:30:06 PM
I laughed way to hard at this man. My condolences.

True story.  My son and I laughed all the way home - sitting on broken glass, no driver's window, it's snowing, and we're driving 70 with the heat on high.
Title: Re: Attendance
Post by: JakeBarnes on February 01, 2023, 11:30:31 PM
People don't want to have their ears blasted for 2.5 hrs. with 120 decibels of Pitbull when they can watch at home. Seriously, games at FF are almost unwatchable with all the NBA stadium bs going on, very noticeable tonight with a smaller crowd.

God forbid the fans cheer at a slightly high volume too. Next they'll be dancing!
Title: Re: Attendance
Post by: BLWarrior91 on February 01, 2023, 11:30:59 PM
So Creighton outdraws us because cars don’t get stolen as much in Omaha?

Sounds like Milwaukee needs to have more visible patrols in the FF area on game nights.
Title: Re: Attendance
Post by: warriorchick on February 01, 2023, 11:32:01 PM
God forbid the fans cheer at a slightly high volume too. Next they'll be dancing!

And standing!
Title: Re: Attendance
Post by: We R Final Four on February 01, 2023, 11:32:16 PM
I was at the game bud. I suppose if more people showed up they wouldn't have to blast us all with terrible music and whatnot. Serious question, do you enjoy all that trash that they do during timeouts?
There are too may timeouts to begin with much less what happens during them!
I mean a coach calls a to with 4:02 and 3 seconds later ….3:59 guess what? Another timeout. I thought about leaving.
Title: Re: Attendance
Post by: JakeBarnes on February 01, 2023, 11:33:09 PM
And standing!

Ok now you've gone too far.
Title: Re: Attendance
Post by: DoctorV on February 01, 2023, 11:33:22 PM
True story.  My son and I laughed all the way home - sitting on broken glass, no driver's window, it's snowing, and we're driving 70 with the heat on high.

It happened to me with my Audi about 3 years ago after a Marquette game in Milwaukee.

I laughed quite a bit on the drive home after I had some place put one of the custom plastic setups on my passenger window and I joked to my wife that I would hotbox her the entire ride home.

Great times
Title: Re: Attendance
Post by: muhoosier260 on February 01, 2023, 11:33:27 PM
God forbid the fans cheer at a slightly high volume too. Next they'll be dancing!

During game play is the quietest part of MU games at fiserv forum.
Title: Re: Attendance
Post by: JakeBarnes on February 01, 2023, 11:34:14 PM
During game play is the quietest part of MU games at fiserv forum.

Then you're not cheering enough.

But then again, I gather you're a hoot at parties too
Title: Re: Attendance
Post by: cheebs09 on February 01, 2023, 11:34:37 PM
I think crapty officiating makes for a better crowd as it gets them into it.

I think there’s a lot of truth to this. Maybe the scoreboard operator should post articles and tweets that slight MU. The crowd will be in a frenzy.
Title: Re: Attendance
Post by: We R Final Four on February 01, 2023, 11:35:16 PM
During game play is the quietest part of MU games at fiserv forum.
Yes.
Title: Re: Attendance
Post by: dgies9156 on February 01, 2023, 11:37:53 PM
Since becoming a snowbird, the one thing I miss is being able to attend Marquette games in person.

Same here. I flew in from South Florida for tonight’s game. Wonderful experience, great game and good crowd. And I do like Milwaukee. When I attended Marquette as well as now!
Title: Re: Attendance
Post by: MUfan12 on February 01, 2023, 11:39:00 PM
It was a weird vibe in there tonight. Low energy, and as the game wore on you could feel the crowd getting nervous. The back to back threes by Tyler and Jop got things going a bit. Down the stretch it got loud.

As far as attendance goes, MU will still average 14k even with the 3700 from the Al game factored in. That's pretty damn good. Now they need to get on it for X. Potentially the biggest home game in years.
Title: Re: Attendance
Post by: muhoosier260 on February 01, 2023, 11:39:50 PM
Then you're not cheering enough.

But then again, I gather you're a hoot at parties too

Right. I'm talking about the noise in the stadium. Maybe NMD will be different, but tonight? It wasn't even close. Apparently you weren't following your own cheering rules based on how quiet the crowd was.
Title: Re: Attendance
Post by: JakeBarnes on February 01, 2023, 11:42:46 PM
Right. I'm talking about the noise in the stadium. Maybe NMD will be different, but tonight? It wasn't even close. Apparently you weren't following your own cheering rules based on how quiet the crowd was.

I was at home due to a fence installation. But usually I don't have a voice at the end. I do quite well for myself.

So...no noise to hype students and crowds from DJ. Just eerie silence.

But more noise from sweater vests. This we can agree on
Title: Re: Attendance
Post by: DoctorV on February 01, 2023, 11:43:09 PM
It was a weird vibe in there tonight. Low energy, and as the game wore on you could feel the crowd getting nervous. The back to back threes by Tyler and Jop got things going a bit. Down the stretch it got loud.

As far as attendance goes, MU will still average 14k even with the 3700 from the Al game factored in. That's pretty damn good. Now they need to get on it for X. Potentially the biggest home game in years.

That X game will be close to sold out, despite the weeknight 6PM tip
Title: Re: Attendance
Post by: GoldenEagles03 on February 01, 2023, 11:47:40 PM
True story.  My son and I laughed all the way home - sitting on broken glass, no driver's window, it's snowing, and we're driving 70 with the heat on high.

Just out of curiosity, where did you park?
I always contemplate not spending $30 on parking, but maybe I'll just do it for the peace of mind. Sorry to hear.
Title: Re: Attendance
Post by: 🏀 on February 01, 2023, 11:50:32 PM
Ball knows where to park.
Title: Re: Attendance
Post by: muhoosier260 on February 01, 2023, 11:53:43 PM
I was at home due to a fence installation. But usually I don't have a voice at the end. I do quite well for myself.

So...no noise to hype students and crowds from DJ. Just eerie silence.

But more noise from sweater vests. This we can agree on

Everyone is very impressed. Maybe go to the game before you start advising people on how they should enjoy the game?
Title: Re: Attendance
Post by: wadesworld on February 02, 2023, 12:01:02 AM
This thread is incredible. Hits on almost all the best points.

The students suck.
The marketing department sucks.
The concessions suck.
The DJ sucks.
Milwaukee is scary.
Title: Re: Attendance
Post by: 94Warrior on February 02, 2023, 12:01:42 AM
Just out of curiosity, where did you park?
I always contemplate not spending $30 on parking, but maybe I'll just do it for the peace of mind. Sorry to hear.

Don't ever post again!  Your post count is:  1977 . 

I was parked just NW of the Fiserv on McKinley.  I don't recommend it.  The window smashers hit 2 weeks in a row on the same street during MU games (saw the second one on the news).  Now I'm parking in a locked structure.

Title: Re: Attendance
Post by: Tyler COLEk on February 02, 2023, 12:02:12 AM
This thread is incredible. Hits on almost all the best points.

The students suck.
The marketing department sucks.
The concessions suck.
The DJ sucks.
Milwaukee is scary.

Don't forget the band sucks.
Title: Re: Attendance
Post by: 🏀 on February 02, 2023, 12:04:08 AM
Don't ever post again!  Your post count is:  1977 . 

I was parked just NW of the Fiserv.  I don't recommend it.  The window smashers hit 2 weeks in a row on the same street during MU games (saw the second one on the news).  Now I'm parking in a locked structure.



Please stay home.

Thanks,

Ball
Title: Re: Attendance
Post by: JakeBarnes on February 02, 2023, 12:04:31 AM
Everyone is very impressed. Maybe go to the game before you start advising people on how they should enjoy the game?

I do. Lots. Driving up from Chicago. Maybe learn to find fun in things?

If everyone is impressed doss this mean I know ball?
Title: Re: Attendance
Post by: 94Warrior on February 02, 2023, 12:08:23 AM
Please stay home.

Thanks,

Ball
I should stay home?   I go to almost every home game for the past 30 years.  I just changed parking locations.
I was serious when I said I love going to games.  I was also serious when I said my car window was smashed.  Crime is out of control, but I live my life.  lol
Title: Re: Attendance
Post by: MUDPT on February 02, 2023, 12:10:36 AM
During game play is the quietest part of MU games at fiserv forum.

Totally true. My friend that I go with and I wait until gameplay to have a conversation about anything. It’s a circle. The volume during timeouts is so loud so you pay attention? But you can’t talk to anyone by you, so I stare at my phone for 2 minutes.
Title: Re: Attendance
Post by: muhoosier260 on February 02, 2023, 12:22:56 AM
I do. Lots. Driving up from Chicago. Maybe learn to find fun in things?

If everyone is impressed doss this mean I know ball?

Thats great, I'm not going to doubt your fandom. It's clear you don't have anything to offer on this and just want to argue. I don't really understand the personal attacks though, have a good one.
Title: Re: Attendance
Post by: Warriors4ever on February 02, 2023, 02:28:21 AM
Wow  I was also wondering where you parked that your window got smashed. We’ve parked at the church a few blocks west, and at the lot next to the Calderone Club so far this year ( we were having dinner there). Friends park east of the Fiserv near the Irish bars. so far no issues 🤞
We are coming for the last home game, depending on the time, maybe that will be a Marcus Center parking lot day.
Title: Re: Attendance
Post by: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on February 02, 2023, 05:02:04 AM
People are complaining about 13k on a weeknight game? This day and age, that’s not bad at all for a school our size.

It has nothing to do with the scary city or the music played during breaks. It’s February, it’s a weeknight and it’s on television anyway.
Title: Re: Attendance
Post by: tower912 on February 02, 2023, 05:13:29 AM
That X game will be close to sold out, despite the weeknight 6PM tip
That will the first game I have seen in Milwaukee since Wojo sat JjJ a couple of weeks after beating Nova.    Looking forward to it.
Title: Re: Attendance
Post by: wisblue on February 02, 2023, 05:50:04 AM
I have gone to every home game for about 20 years now, except for the occasions when I am out of town, like this year’s Georgetown game when I was in Florida.

I’m showing my age here, but I don’t like the noise during the timeouts either. Our two daughters who live in town alternate going to games with me, and it’s difficult to carry on a conversation during timeouts. They also don’t like the made for TV start times. With their jobs, getting to the start of a 6 PM game can be difficult, and the 8 PM games (that actually start at 8:15) run later than they would like. But, they are alumni Fanatics who love going to the games.

The window smashing and car thefts seem to be an epidemic, but we park in the MacArthur Square lot on 7th Street and walk down. It’s usually $10-$20 less than the attached garage and a lot easier to get out of if you stay until the end of the game. I’ve never seen a problem with window smashing near there. Having the police headquarters right there might be a deterrent.
Title: Re: Attendance
Post by: wadesworld on February 02, 2023, 07:30:02 AM
People are complaining about 13k on a weeknight game? This day and age, that’s not bad at all for a school our size.

It has nothing to do with the scary city or the music played during breaks. It’s February, it’s a weeknight and it’s on television anyway.

If they marking department had a clue they’d have to temporarily play all games in Am Fam Field with SRO tickets every possible inch while they build a stadium bigger than The Horeshoe and would have a season ticket holder waiting like of 77 years.
Title: Re: Attendance
Post by: jesmu84 on February 02, 2023, 07:34:52 AM
Cities are warzones! Much crime!
Title: Re: Attendance
Post by: real chili 83 on February 02, 2023, 07:39:15 AM
I had my car stolen last year during the ncaa tournament and I haven’t gone down since for a game because of this. Freaking Hyundai


Hyundai….you’re kinda asking for it.
Title: Re: Attendance
Post by: pbiflyer on February 02, 2023, 07:41:39 AM
This thread is incredible. Hits on almost all the best points.

The students suck.
The marketing department sucks.
The concessions suck.
The DJ sucks.
Milwaukee is scary.

I was going to fly up from South Florida for the NMD game, but am thinking about canceling it and staying home and weeding the yard instead. Sounds like I would have more fun.
Wonder if my dentist will give me a note not to be attacked by Milwaukee dentists while I am there, kinda of a professional courtesy type of thing.
I did hear that there are a lot of drunks walking around the forum both before and after the game too. 
Title: Re: Attendance
Post by: dgies9156 on February 02, 2023, 07:45:38 AM
I was going to fly up from South Florida for the NMD game, but am thinking about canceling it and staying home and weeding the yard instead. Sounds like I would have more fun.
Wonder if my dentist will give me a note not to be attacked by Milwaukee dentists while I am there, kinda of a professional courtesy type of thing.
I did hear that there are a lot of drunks walking around the forum both before and after the game too.

I’m here for NMD as well. Come on up and help
Me make South Florida proud!
Title: Re: Attendance
Post by: pbiflyer on February 02, 2023, 07:56:48 AM
I’m here for NMD as well. Come on up and help
Me make South Florida proud!

Oh I am going. Already have tickets and plane ticket. Was just being snarky. Will be one of those drunks walking around. I can wear shorts, right? I assume since it will be in the 80s here, it will be like, what 60s in Milwaukee? Right? 
Title: Re: Attendance
Post by: dgies9156 on February 02, 2023, 08:22:55 AM
Oh I am going. Already have tickets and plane ticket. Was just being snarky. Will be one of those drunks walking around. I can wear shorts, right? I assume since it will be in the 80s here, it will be like, what 60s in Milwaukee? Right?

Of course. I’m in flip flops and a polo shirt. I’ll be watching the game or causing mayhem, depending on the score!
Title: Re: Attendance
Post by: StillWarriors on February 02, 2023, 08:34:15 AM
Watching at home is no comparison to being there in person. 

I enjoyed the Tues night Seton Hall game so much this year, I wasn't even pissed when I got back to my car and my window was smashed.

I heard about that with the cars. Told my buddy who was going up for the first time where to street park. Felt terrible when he told me about 20 cars had their windows smashed. Fortunately his was spared. Brutal.

That said. I absolutely love going to games at FF and it is well worth the drive up from Chicago.
Title: Re: Attendance
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on February 02, 2023, 08:37:07 AM
I couldn’t believe how many empty seats there were in the student section. They should never need the tarps for conference games.
Student section seats 3100. That is huge! Bigger than most you see on TV. Still had about 2400 last night.
Title: Re: Attendance
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on February 02, 2023, 08:39:04 AM
It’s a fact that the best crowd all year was UCONN when the students were gone. Their impact is overrated.

I thought the building had much more energy for UConn with older people in the student section than PC. Student section lacks cheers and chants compared to the Crean/Buzz era.
Title: Re: Attendance
Post by: muwarrior69 on February 02, 2023, 08:43:29 AM
Is attendance still required at Marquette?
Title: Re: Attendance
Post by: Skatastrophy on February 02, 2023, 08:47:24 AM
My last MU game in Milwaukee was at the Bradley Center
Title: Re: Attendance
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on February 02, 2023, 08:50:43 AM
That X game will be close to sold out, despite the weeknight 6PM tip

Long way to go for that to happen. 4 home games left and the Xavier game has the most tickets left out of the four.
Title: Re: Attendance
Post by: MUDAN05 on February 02, 2023, 08:56:34 AM
I looked at the top 20 attendance for 2021-2022.  There were 4 private schools on the list, including Marquette.  Granted, many private schools do not show up on the list because they simply play in smaller arenas, but still, I think a private school getting 14-15k is really good.  We went down to that game in South Bend, on a Sunday, and they could not even fill a 9K arena and no students showed up. 

What Creighton does is impressive, but it is across all their sports.  But look at the list, the Nebraska Huskers average 15k fans a game and are in the top 10 in attendance.  That is honestly an awful basketball program, but that speaks to the fact that there are no professional sports in the state.  If we did not have the Bucks, I think we’d easily grab 1,500-2K more fans a game.  That being said, I am a little disappointed that we did not completely pack the student section, however, as another posted pointed out, we have a large student section.  And student attendance at college sports has been noted by big football schools etc.  A few people at my office who have no connection to Marquette said they turned the game on with 5 mins and thought it sounded like there was a ton of energy, etc. 

My wife and I are 40 and live in downtown, so it’s easy for us to go on a weeknight.  But I will say that parking is very expensive and given the start time of the games, I understand if people with families living in Mequon, Brookfield, Waukesha, and Franklin cannot make weeknight games as often as they would like.  My wife and I do not have kids, but many of the people we went to school with were avid season ticket holders until they had families.  They make their best effort to go to weekend games. 

All that being said, we should average 14k-15k folks a game and that is really good.  We have an announced sell out on Saturday and I think a pretty full house for Xavier.  And unless we really slide, I would imagine a large crowd for St. John’s. 
Title: Re: Attendance
Post by: Jables1604 on February 02, 2023, 08:58:46 AM
My crew (Class of 90) will be in town for NMD. I’m coming in from CT, one from Jacksonville, one from Omaha, one from LA, one from Colorado, one from Minneapolis and another 8-10 from Chicagoland.

Flying back to LGA Sunday. I’ve already had my paralegal cancel everything on my calendar for Monday in an abundance of caution.
Title: Re: Attendance
Post by: LloydsLegs on February 02, 2023, 09:00:04 AM
Fiserv is a premier arena and the game experience is amazing (if loud for my old ears).  Just listen to the post-game comments from the opposing team. And immediate surrounding area if fantastic pre and post game. 

Yeah, it's a big city.  Suck it up. 

MU's attendance is excellent for a college team.

All that said, we should be able to get more fans to a game like last night.
Title: Re: Attendance
Post by: UWW2MU on February 02, 2023, 09:01:08 AM
This thread is incredible. Hits on almost all the best points.

The students suck.
The marketing department sucks.
The concessions suck.
The DJ sucks.
Milwaukee is scary.


I don't think anyone here said anything about the concessions.


But on a related note... god the concessions suck!  Over priced, overly complicated to order, quality has gotten awful.  I'm disappointed just about every time I try to buy from them.

k, carry on.
Title: Re: Attendance
Post by: 4everwarriors on February 02, 2023, 09:09:34 AM
Milwaukee police warn of armed robberies, car break-ins in downtown entertainment area

 
milwaukee police
By: Madison Goldbeck
Posted at 9:37 PM, Jan 27, 2023 and last updated 2023-01-30 18:22:36-05
MILWAUKEE — The Milwaukee Police Department is warning of a "crime trend" of armed robberies and car break-ins occurring in the city's downtown entertainment areas.

In a safety bulletin issued Friday, police say the crimes are happening between the hours of 4 p.m. and 7 p.m. and 11 p.m. and 2 a.m.

Police say individuals are driving stolen Kia and Hyundai cars and targeting people for their personal belongings, such as their cell phones and purses. The suspects do so while getting in and out of their cars or while sitting stationary in their vehicles.

Police recommend the following to reduce the likelihood of victimization:

Park in well-lit areas and where cameras may be present
Ensure distractions are minimal (Example: Sitting in a car and talking on the phone)
Ensure no valuables are visible and accessible within your car (Example: cache bags, coins, electronics, firearms)

If firearms are in your car, be sure they are properly secured in a lock box.
"See something, say something." Contact the non-emergency number at 414-933-4444.
Earlier this month, we reported overall serious crime in Milwaukee was down by a combined 15% in 2022 when compared to 2021 numbers, according to city officials. However, homicides in Milwaukee climbed 11%.

RELATED COVERAGE: 2022 crime numbers: City of Milwaukee homicides up 11%, serious crime down 15%
The City of Milwaukee broke its homicide record for the third year in a row in November 2022. According to the Milwaukee Police Department's (MPD) database, there were 214 homicides in 2022 compared to a total of 193 in 2021. In 2020 there were 190, and in 2019, there were 97.


Another area of crime that saw an increase in 2022 was carjackings in Milwaukee. MPD numbers show there were 372 carjackings in 2021, which rose by 7% in 2022 with 397 carjackings. Arson also saw a 4% increase with 246 incidents in 2021 and 255 in 2022.

The city saw a 23% decrease in motor vehicle thefts. MPD's database shows there were 10,486 car thefts in 2021 compared to 8,090 in 2022. Robbery was also an area of crime that decreased. When compared to 2021 numbers, robbery went down 14% in Milwaukee in 2022. Non-fatal shootings remained about the same with 873 in 2021 and 877 in 2022.
Title: Re: Attendance
Post by: brewcity77 on February 02, 2023, 09:13:45 AM
Watching at home is no comparison to being there in person.

Agree completely. This team is so much fun to watch. It's disappointing that there are only 4 more dates at home to see them at the Fiserv, but I don't plan on missing any.
Title: Re: Attendance
Post by: Uncle Rico on February 02, 2023, 09:14:30 AM
Agree completely. This team is so much fun to watch. It's disappointing that there are only 4 more dates at home to see them at the Fiserv, but I don't plan on missing any.

Have you planned your funeral to alleviate the stress on your loved ones?
Title: Re: Attendance
Post by: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on February 02, 2023, 09:15:11 AM
Milwaukee police warn of armed robberies, car break-ins in downtown entertainment area

 
milwaukee police
By: Madison Goldbeck
Posted at 9:37 PM, Jan 27, 2023 and last updated 2023-01-30 18:22:36-05
MILWAUKEE — The Milwaukee Police Department is warning of a "crime trend" of armed robberies and car break-ins occurring in the city's downtown entertainment areas.

In a safety bulletin issued Friday, police say the crimes are happening between the hours of 4 p.m. and 7 p.m. and 11 p.m. and 2 a.m.

Police say individuals are driving stolen Kia and Hyundai cars and targeting people for their personal belongings, such as their cell phones and purses. The suspects do so while getting in and out of their cars or while sitting stationary in their vehicles.

Police recommend the following to reduce the likelihood of victimization:

Park in well-lit areas and where cameras may be present
Ensure distractions are minimal (Example: Sitting in a car and talking on the phone)
Ensure no valuables are visible and accessible within your car (Example: cache bags, coins, electronics, firearms)

If firearms are in your car, be sure they are properly secured in a lock box.
"See something, say something." Contact the non-emergency number at 414-933-4444.
Earlier this month, we reported overall serious crime in Milwaukee was down by a combined 15% in 2022 when compared to 2021 numbers, according to city officials. However, homicides in Milwaukee climbed 11%.

RELATED COVERAGE: 2022 crime numbers: City of Milwaukee homicides up 11%, serious crime down 15%
The City of Milwaukee broke its homicide record for the third year in a row in November 2022. According to the Milwaukee Police Department's (MPD) database, there were 214 homicides in 2022 compared to a total of 193 in 2021. In 2020 there were 190, and in 2019, there were 97.


Another area of crime that saw an increase in 2022 was carjackings in Milwaukee. MPD numbers show there were 372 carjackings in 2021, which rose by 7% in 2022 with 397 carjackings. Arson also saw a 4% increase with 246 incidents in 2021 and 255 in 2022.

The city saw a 23% decrease in motor vehicle thefts. MPD's database shows there were 10,486 car thefts in 2021 compared to 8,090 in 2022. Robbery was also an area of crime that decreased. When compared to 2021 numbers, robbery went down 14% in Milwaukee in 2022. Non-fatal shootings remained about the same with 873 in 2021 and 877 in 2022.

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Title: Re: Attendance
Post by: We R Final Four on February 02, 2023, 09:25:36 AM
Agree completely. This team is so much fun to watch. It's disappointing that there are only 4 more dates at home to see them at the Fiserv, but I don't plan on missing any.
Me neither.
Title: Re: Attendance
Post by: Skatastrophy on February 02, 2023, 09:27:55 AM
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Wow, personal attack on all of Mequon
Title: Re: Attendance
Post by: Husker4MU on February 02, 2023, 09:30:29 AM
Wow, personal attack on all of Mequon

Don’t forget about Lake Country!!
Title: Re: Attendance
Post by: BrewCity83 on February 02, 2023, 09:31:12 AM
I don't think the quality and prices of the concessions (beer) can be overstated when talking about the level of crowd noise.  There's almost no waiting at the beer stands because hardly anyone wants to buy a round of $16 Anheuser Busch beers.  That leads to less drinking, which results in a quieter crowd.

Title: Re: Attendance
Post by: brewcity77 on February 02, 2023, 09:33:26 AM
I don't think the quality and prices of the concessions (beer) can be overstated when talking about the level of crowd noise.  There's almost no waiting at the beer stands because hardly anyone wants to buy a round of $16 Anheuser Busch beers.  That leads to less drinking, which results in a quieter crowd.

I have definitely trimmed back my beverage budget this year. Though I'm sure I'll be getting a couple of 77s on Saturday. I think it will be lit for NMD.
Title: Re: Attendance
Post by: wadesworld on February 02, 2023, 09:44:38 AM

I don't think anyone here said anything about the concessions.


But on a related note... god the concessions suck!  Over priced, overly complicated to order, quality has gotten awful.  I'm disappointed just about every time I try to buy from them.

k, carry on.

I threw that in because at least the concessions were brought up.  Not in as much of a whiny was as the rest of the topics were, though.

They should bring back the pre-game $2 nachos and the $3 Haams special on weeknights.  Was that in the last year of the BC? 

The fans loved it.  It couldn't hurt.
Title: Re: Attendance
Post by: MUfan12 on February 02, 2023, 09:52:37 AM
Last year I decided to spring for the 5th street structure parking thinking we'd bring the kids more often, and while it's a luxury expense I think it's worth every penny. Saves so much time.

Looking at ticketmaster... as of now probably a similar attendance for Xavier. DePaul is close to a sellout. And St. John's probably 15,000 or so.
Title: Re: Attendance
Post by: Mu8891 on February 02, 2023, 09:54:55 AM
Attendance?

A number of things:

1.  They will very rarely if ever sell out a weeknight game. Period

2.  The “ marketing “ department does in fact suck.  The marketing is almost nonexistent

3.  MU actually draws better than most all college hoops teams in the country

4.  It won’t keep most people away, but the food IS awful, and I’ve almost sworn of beer at the games.  16$ for Bud is enough to make one puke … and that is before actually drinking that dreck

That said … NMD should be fun on
Saturday
Title: Re: Attendance
Post by: UWW2MU on February 02, 2023, 10:01:27 AM
I threw that in because at least the concessions were brought up.  Not in as much of a whiny was as the rest of the topics were, though.


That's ok, I jumped on it only because I am always looking for an outlet to whine about the concessions.   Not teal either!  It's a personal flaw on my part and I own it.    ;D
Title: Re: Attendance
Post by: 94Warrior on February 02, 2023, 10:06:45 AM
I don't think the quality and prices of the concessions (beer) can be overstated when talking about the level of crowd noise.  There's almost no waiting at the beer stands because hardly anyone wants to buy a round of $16 Anheuser Busch beers.  That leads to less drinking, which results in a quieter crowd.

Yep.  I was much louder when 🍺 was affordable.
Title: Re: Attendance
Post by: warriorchick on February 02, 2023, 10:14:59 AM
The silver lining of the crappy food and expensive beer in the Fiserv is that it has been a boon to the area bars and restaurants.  Much more pregaming and post-gaming.

Of course, that didn't help me much when we were driving up from Chicago on a weeknight after work, having to hit the drive-thru on the way up and going straight home afterwards.
Title: Re: Attendance
Post by: brewcity77 on February 02, 2023, 10:19:51 AM
In 2 weeks, we can expect a top-20 showdown with Xavier and the expectation is first place in the Big East and what could be a title-deciding game will be happening. There's a LOT of blue in the Fiserv, and that's not a good thing.
Title: Re: Attendance
Post by: We R Final Four on February 02, 2023, 10:21:47 AM
The silver lining of the crappy food and expensive beer in the Fiserv is that it has been a boon to the area bars and restaurants.  Much more pregaming and post-gaming.

Of course, that didn't help me much when we were driving up from Chicago on a weeknight after work, having to hit the drive-thru on the way up and going straight home afterwards.
Hopefully not Mecca.
Title: Re: Attendance
Post by: MU Fan in Connecticut on February 02, 2023, 10:22:42 AM
Milwaukee police warn of armed robberies, car break-ins in downtown entertainment area

 
milwaukee police
By: Madison Goldbeck
Posted at 9:37 PM, Jan 27, 2023 and last updated 2023-01-30 18:22:36-05
MILWAUKEE — The Milwaukee Police Department is warning of a "crime trend" of armed robberies and car break-ins occurring in the city's downtown entertainment areas.

In a safety bulletin issued Friday, police say the crimes are happening between the hours of 4 p.m. and 7 p.m. and 11 p.m. and 2 a.m.

Police say individuals are driving stolen Kia and Hyundai cars and targeting people for their personal belongings, such as their cell phones and purses. The suspects do so while getting in and out of their cars or while sitting stationary in their vehicles.

Police recommend the following to reduce the likelihood of victimization:

Park in well-lit areas and where cameras may be present
Ensure distractions are minimal (Example: Sitting in a car and talking on the phone)
Ensure no valuables are visible and accessible within your car (Example: cache bags, coins, electronics, firearms)

If firearms are in your car, be sure they are properly secured in a lock box.
"See something, say something." Contact the non-emergency number at 414-933-4444.
Earlier this month, we reported overall serious crime in Milwaukee was down by a combined 15% in 2022 when compared to 2021 numbers, according to city officials. However, homicides in Milwaukee climbed 11%.

RELATED COVERAGE: 2022 crime numbers: City of Milwaukee homicides up 11%, serious crime down 15%
The City of Milwaukee broke its homicide record for the third year in a row in November 2022. According to the Milwaukee Police Department's (MPD) database, there were 214 homicides in 2022 compared to a total of 193 in 2021. In 2020 there were 190, and in 2019, there were 97.


Another area of crime that saw an increase in 2022 was carjackings in Milwaukee. MPD numbers show there were 372 carjackings in 2021, which rose by 7% in 2022 with 397 carjackings. Arson also saw a 4% increase with 246 incidents in 2021 and 255 in 2022.

The city saw a 23% decrease in motor vehicle thefts. MPD's database shows there were 10,486 car thefts in 2021 compared to 8,090 in 2022. Robbery was also an area of crime that decreased. When compared to 2021 numbers, robbery went down 14% in Milwaukee in 2022. Non-fatal shootings remained about the same with 873 in 2021 and 877 in 2022.

They should move the Fiserv to Mequon.
Title: Re: Attendance
Post by: warriorchick on February 02, 2023, 10:25:40 AM
In 2 weeks, we can expect a top-20 showdown with Xavier and the expectation is first place in the Big East and what could be a title-deciding game will be happening. There's a LOT of blue in the Fiserv, and that's not a good thing.

Two weeks out is a long time if you are only a casual fan.  I am sure things will tighten up if we continue to win, and especially if Xavier continues to win.  NMD was only an official sellout a couple of days ago.
Title: Re: Attendance
Post by: JakeBarnes on February 02, 2023, 10:28:48 AM
Two weeks out is a long time if you are only a casual fan.  I am sure things will tighten up if we continue to win, and especially if Xavier continues to win.  NMD was only an official sellout a couple of days ago.

Agree. Even using DePaul game as a measuring stick-- 2-3 weeks before the game there were a significant amount of seats available on the DePaul website. Closer to game day they sold out.

Smaller arena yes, but there is definitely hype. Heck, I am currently looking at X tickets now (have to finalize if I have meetings that night or not).
Title: Re: Attendance
Post by: 4everwarriors on February 02, 2023, 10:34:25 AM
Y'all always want facts. But, when presented with facts, snide irrelevant comments avoiding the real issues is all ya got. Shockin', aina?
Title: Re: Attendance
Post by: brewcity77 on February 02, 2023, 10:35:14 AM
Two weeks out is a long time if you are only a casual fan.  I am sure things will tighten up if we continue to win, and especially if Xavier continues to win.  NMD was only an official sellout a couple of days ago.

Which is why they should be pounding this already. You want that as full as possible, so whether it's tying it to a BOGO or discounted tickets or some kind of flash sale, this should be blasted out repeatedly for the next two weeks. The reality is if we win that game against Xavier, there is a high probability that Marquette will be able to spend the entire offseason marketing the Big East Champs. Of the remaining games, there is only one midweek game and it's the most consequential one of the four. They should be emailing everyone who has purchased a ticket this year, blasting it on Instagram, Twitter, Facebook, and Google Ads, offering extras to STHs, putting it on billboards, whatever it takes to get as many people into that building as possible.
Title: Re: Attendance
Post by: UWW2MU on February 02, 2023, 10:43:20 AM
Which is why they should be pounding this already. You want that as full as possible, so whether it's tying it to a BOGO or discounted tickets or some kind of flash sale, this should be blasted out repeatedly for the next two weeks. The reality is if we win that game against Xavier, there is a high probability that Marquette will be able to spend the entire offseason marketing the Big East Champs. Of the remaining games, there is only one midweek game and it's the most consequential one of the four. They should be emailing everyone who has purchased a ticket this year, blasting it on Instagram, Twitter, Facebook, and Google Ads, offering extras to STHs, putting it on billboards, whatever it takes to get as many people into that building as possible.

To your point, social media posts have almost negligible costs.   They could be flooding their pages reminding people of the upcoming games and what is at stake, etc.  It doesn't even have to be a promotion, just awareness.
Title: Re: Attendance
Post by: Uncle Rico on February 02, 2023, 10:43:34 AM
Y'all always want facts. But, when presented with facts, snide irrelevant comments avoiding the real issues is all ya got. Shockin', aina?

We’re all ears.  Please let us know how bitter, old men who know their time has passed would solve these issues that are so dear to your heart.
Title: Re: Attendance
Post by: 4everwarriors on February 02, 2023, 10:46:07 AM
Don't no any dudes like dat, hey?
Title: Re: Attendance
Post by: Hards Alumni on February 02, 2023, 10:50:41 AM
Y'all always want facts. But, when presented with facts, snide irrelevant comments avoiding the real issues is all ya got. Shockin', aina?

You're dumb
Title: Re: Attendance
Post by: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on February 02, 2023, 10:52:04 AM
Y'all always want facts. But, when presented with facts, snide irrelevant comments avoiding the real issues is all ya got. Shockin', aina?

I think everyone knows there is crime in Milwaukee.
Title: Re: Attendance
Post by: 4everwarriors on February 02, 2023, 10:55:08 AM
Damn Bryan that's two threads now that you've attacked me personally.
Signed,
Your Mensa Scoop friend, hey?
Title: Re: Attendance
Post by: connie on February 02, 2023, 11:02:11 AM
I think there are just too many reasons NOT to go to a game now(all having been mentioned-except the wojo malaise hangover), driving off all of the fence sitters and dropping attendance.  On the other hand, seeing the 12 people that showed up for DePaul/GTown in DC, 14k a game really isn't that bad. If the team keeps playing this great and putting on such a great show the numbers should bump up, but a Wed night sellout is always going to be rare.
Title: Re: Attendance
Post by: real chili 83 on February 02, 2023, 11:02:48 AM
Seriously, why would anyone drive a Kia or Hyundai in Milwaukee and be upset/surprised about it being stolen?

Kinda sucks that is the state of affairs today.  Don’t wish it on anyone.
Title: Re: Attendance
Post by: tower912 on February 02, 2023, 11:05:10 AM
There is crime in Milwaukee.    There is crime everywhere.     
There was crime in Milwaukee when I was there in the 80's.    There was crime everywhere.   
I choose to not live in fear.   

All facts.   
Title: Re: Attendance
Post by: 🏀 on February 02, 2023, 11:07:37 AM
Don't no any dudes like dat, hey?

If you don't know, now you know.
Title: Re: Attendance
Post by: YaBlueIt on February 02, 2023, 11:09:52 AM
Concession prices, downtown break-ins, and volume of music/entertainment during timeouts may be the last straws to a couple folks who were already on the fence. But acting like these are the main culprits behind less-than-stellar attendance numbers is asinine.

Win a couple games in March, market home games better, and we'd get back to pre-Wojo numbers by next year. Simple.
Title: Re: Attendance
Post by: Carl Spackler on February 02, 2023, 11:10:12 AM
Attendance?

A number of things:

1.  They will very rarely if ever sell out a weeknight game. Period

2.  The “ marketing “ department does in fact suck.  The marketing is almost nonexistent

3.  MU actually draws better than most all college hoops teams in the country

4.  It won’t keep most people away, but the food IS awful, and I’ve almost sworn of beer at the games.  16$ for Bud is enough to make one puke … and that is before actually drinking that dreck

That said … NMD should be fun on
Saturday


So the marketing sucks, but we draw better than most teams with many more competing options than most college towns, for a school 1/4 the size of state schools?  Most teams would kill for our fan base and #s.  Milwaukee isnt Omaha or Madison or Bloomington where there arent other options for the casual fan.  We also dont have MU - Whitewater/Oshkosh "fans" to buy up the extra tickets. 

What do you want?  What kind of genius marketing ideas would appeal to you?  Looking forward to your genius marketing ideas.

I have been inundated this year with deals for tickets - free extra tickets for STHs, holiday hat and ticket deals, the be a student deal, the Big Three deal a few weeks ago.  and took advantage of serveral.

Agreed on food and beer.  I never buy food, and if everyone stopped buying full price beer, they would lower the price.  I am sure those a*&holes have run the numbers.



Title: Re: Attendance
Post by: BLWarrior91 on February 02, 2023, 11:11:44 AM
BrewCity77 nails it. 

They should be utilizing social media, emails, etc. to drive attendance.  That Xavier game needs to have a full house.  It's an early start, so it's better suited to families who won't go to the late games.

I know our attendance is very good overall.  My purpose for starting this thread was to ask why it isn't even better.  Lots of great commentary on the why.

The Bucks, Marquette, and downtown businesses need to demand the Milwaukee PD have more visible patrols on game nights.  When people won't go because of crime, that's a huge problem.  More people downtown should actually make it feel safer.

There's an extra 4000 people out there that can go to the games.  They just don't know it yet! 
Title: Re: Attendance
Post by: connie on February 02, 2023, 11:15:11 AM
There is crime in Milwaukee.    There is crime everywhere.     
There was crime in Milwaukee when I was there in the 80's.    There was crime everywhere.   
I choose to not live in fear.   

All facts.
Like much of Milwaukee, crime was far more historically segregated, including in the 80's.  You can choose to ignore it if you want, but that doesn't mean that both property and violent crime rates in Downtown haven't increased since the 80's, including a number of impactful examples.
Title: Re: Attendance
Post by: 🏀 on February 02, 2023, 11:18:02 AM
Ball has never felt unsafe downtown.
Title: Re: Attendance
Post by: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on February 02, 2023, 11:25:00 AM
Like much of Milwaukee, crime was far more historically segregated, including in the 80's.  You can choose to ignore it if you want, but that doesn't mean that both property and violent crime rates in Downtown haven't increased since the 80's, including a number of impactful examples.

Is the bolded actually true?
Title: Re: Attendance
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on February 02, 2023, 11:28:44 AM
MU did the flash sale for Villanova and or Xavier. The Xavier flash sale alone sold an extra 600 seats. Just spread the word and do your part as well.  ;)
Title: Re: Attendance
Post by: connie on February 02, 2023, 11:31:28 AM
Is the bolded actually true?
Hard to definitively pin down.  According to the cops, absolutely.  Crime figures don't show it but the reporting on that is suspect in many places, including Milwaukee. 
Title: Re: Attendance
Post by: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on February 02, 2023, 11:33:00 AM
Hard to definitively pin down.  According to the cops, absolutely.  Crime figures don't show it but the reporting on that is suspect in many places, including Milwaukee. 


This kinda sounds like a "crime eye test" excuse.
Title: Re: Attendance
Post by: Hards Alumni on February 02, 2023, 11:40:44 AM
Damn Bryan that's two threads now that you've attacked me personally.
Signed,
Your Mensa Scoop friend, hey?

Well stop being dumb.
Title: Re: Attendance
Post by: Viper on February 02, 2023, 11:41:59 AM
Milwaukee sounds like a sheethole, hey.
Title: Re: Attendance
Post by: Skatastrophy on February 02, 2023, 11:49:41 AM
Ball has never felt unsafe downtown.

Everyone always asks, "Do you know ball?"

But nobody every asks, "How is ball doing?"
Title: Re: Attendance
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on February 02, 2023, 11:52:30 AM
Everyone always asks, "Do you know ball?"

But nobody every asks, "How is ball doing?"

We don't because we are afraid the answer is "hot and sweaty".
Title: Re: Attendance
Post by: Its DJOver on February 02, 2023, 11:53:32 AM
This thread has more replies than the actual post game discussion thread.  This thread has spurred a spin off thread discussing marketing specifics.  We are having to reach pretty deep into the barrel to find things to complain about.

This is a very good thing.
Title: Re: Attendance
Post by: connie on February 02, 2023, 11:55:25 AM

This kinda sounds like a "crime eye test" excuse.
Well if we call it an "excuse" then the entire idea must be made up, so feel free to park your Kia or Hyundai on a street around Fiserv at night.  Don't bother calling the police to report theft or damage because they are so overloaded their average response times to a non-violent crime will see you getting home the next day. Or, you could read the City's own disclaimer on the validity of it's crime figures: "Neither the City of Milwaukee nor the Milwaukee Police Department guarantee (either express or implied) the accuracy, completeness, timeliness, or correct sequencing of the Crime Data." Since the City and the MPD disclaim their own data maybe someone should pay attention to the "eye test."
Title: Re: Attendance
Post by: Dickthedribbler on February 02, 2023, 11:55:36 AM
Concession prices, downtown break-ins, and volume of music/entertainment during timeouts may be the last straws to a couple folks who were already on the fence. But acting like these are the main culprits behind less-than-stellar attendance numbers is asinine.

Win a couple games in March, market home games better, and we'd get back to pre-Wojo numbers by next year. Simple.

My vote for the best answer. Hands down.

Winning lots of games. Being ranked for the entire season. Being part of the national college basketball conversation. Winning games in March. That's what people want to be part of.
Title: Re: Attendance
Post by: jficke13 on February 02, 2023, 12:07:34 PM
I thought we kinda prided ourselves on being an urban campus. Al thrived in an environment with some rough edges. Some of the best dudes ever to put on our jerseys came from places with those rough edges. Cracked Sidewalks, no?

I don't want to get pulled into a gigantic message board slap fight about the reality of crime, but by and large it has been falling nationwide since the late 70s/early 80s (sometimes markedly so). Without Remorse, the Dirty Harry movies, all of that cultural creation was in conversation with the urban decay that was probably the lived reality of the time on campus for many of the people complaining the loudest about the city now.
Title: Re: Attendance
Post by: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on February 02, 2023, 12:12:39 PM
Well if we call it an "excuse" then the entire idea must be made up, so feel free to park your Kia or Hyundai on a street around Fiserv at night.  Don't bother calling the police to report theft or damage because they are so overloaded their average response times to a non-violent crime will see you getting home the next day. Or, you could read the City's own disclaimer on the validity of it's crime figures: "Neither the City of Milwaukee nor the Milwaukee Police Department guarantee (either express or implied) the accuracy, completeness, timeliness, or correct sequencing of the Crime Data." Since the City and the MPD disclaim their own data maybe someone should pay attention to the "eye test."


So "according to the cops," property and violent crime is up downtown since the 1980s. Yet there are no stats to back that up. And I doubt there are many cops around any longer who worked for the department in the 1980s.  So excuse me if I am a little skeptical of the statement.  Not saying its inaccurate. Just you and I have no idea how accurate it actually is.
Title: Re: Attendance
Post by: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on February 02, 2023, 12:14:30 PM
I thought we kinda prided ourselves on being an urban campus. Al thrived in an environment with some rough edges. Some of the best dudes ever to put on our jerseys came from places with those rough edges. Cracked Sidewalks, no?

I don't want to get pulled into a gigantic message board slap fight about the reality of crime, but by and large it has been falling nationwide since the late 70s/early 80s (sometimes markedly so). Without Remorse, the Dirty Harry movies, all of that cultural creation was in conversation with the urban decay that was probably the lived reality of the time on campus for many of the people complaining the loudest about the city now.


We have people here who think Marquette should have moved up to Meqon a la Concordia. So I don't think they really are "all in" on the urban, cracked sidewalks history of the University
Title: Re: Attendance
Post by: rocket surgeon on February 02, 2023, 12:18:01 PM
You're dumb

  looks like an ad hominem to me, ey fellas?  what's going on...little man syndrome?
Title: Re: Attendance
Post by: Dickthedribbler on February 02, 2023, 12:28:19 PM
Those who complain about crime in Milwaukee circa 2023 should have lived on or near Wells Street or State Street in the 1960s and 1970s as many of us here did.
Title: Re: Attendance
Post by: Tyler COLEk on February 02, 2023, 12:33:26 PM
Clutching pearls about crime in MKE is definitely a Wojo mentality. We need more of a Shaka mindset on the scoop.
Title: Re: Attendance
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on February 02, 2023, 12:35:20 PM
Clutching pearls about crime in MKE is definitely a Wojo mentality. We need more of a Shaka mindset on the scoop.

More violence!!!
Title: Re: Attendance
Post by: 4everwarriors on February 02, 2023, 12:41:22 PM
To opine on this matter, MU would be trivin' right now had they moved to the campus Concordia now has. When Concordia was essentially on 33rd and State St., it was dyin' on the vine. At present it has not only added enrollment, but added  programs as well (i.e. PA, Pharmacy).
For the record, urban campuses had their run 15 years ago. Not so popular now unless you're a highly selective university like UChicago, UPenn, Yale, etc., hey?
Title: Re: Attendance
Post by: Galway Eagle on February 02, 2023, 12:42:16 PM

We have people here who think Marquette should have moved up to Meqon a la Concordia. So I don't think they really are "all in" on the urban, cracked sidewalks history of the University

I think they're all in on the idea that they "survived" an urban campus. Can beat their chest about having been in the gritty city instead of manufactured college towns.

But they cant mesh that with their own views on crime in cities, urban decay, etc.
Title: Re: Attendance
Post by: Tyler COLEk on February 02, 2023, 12:45:11 PM
To opine on this matter, MU would be trivin' right now had they moved to the campus Concordia now has. When Concordia was essentially on 33rd and State St., it was dyin' on the vine. At present it has not only added enrollment, but added  programs as well (i.e. PA, Pharmacy).
For the record, urban campuses had their run 15 years ago. Not so popular now unless you're a highly selective university like UChicago, UPenn, Yale, etc., hey?

Whatever you say, Woj’
Title: Re: Attendance
Post by: Sturgeon General Warrior on February 02, 2023, 12:54:32 PM
My impression of the marketing is completely different. I'm constantly getting emails with ticket offers and promoting upcoming games (just received one for the X game touting potential first place on the line). I'm not a STH, so that probably has something to do with it.
Title: Re: Attendance
Post by: NolongerWarriors on February 02, 2023, 01:08:20 PM
This thread is incredible. Hits on almost all the best points.

The students suck.
The marketing department sucks.
The concessions suck.
The DJ sucks.
Milwaukee is scary.

The students don't suck
The marketing department does suck
The concessions don't suck
The DJ absolutely, positively sucks
Milwaukee is scary
Title: Re: Attendance
Post by: Galway Eagle on February 02, 2023, 01:10:22 PM
The students don't suck
The marketing department does suck
The concessions don't suck
The DJ absolutely, positively sucks
Milwaukee is scary

Anybody else really confused by a post like this regarding the students coming from this guy?
Title: Re: Attendance
Post by: DarkWarrior on February 02, 2023, 01:15:20 PM
Haven't missed more than a few home games in 30 years. I think the FISERV facility is great and the energy can be amazing. I don't think Marquette does a very good job of branding or advertising especially when the basketball team represents a world class opportunity to energize interest in Marquette as a University. National perception of colleges and universities often hinges on their sports teams and their relative success. There are many academics that hate that fact and lobby to minimize athletics rather than embrace the benefit. That can blunt the University's proper engagement in these efforts as they seek to satisfy all constituents.

And yes the concessions are brutally bad at FISERV. I don't even mind the stupid pricing! COLD DRY AND FLAVORLESS! Bad food and complete lack of interesting food in the middle of City with incredible food. The only edible nourishment at FISERV is Chick-fil-a. 

Through all of this I love attending games in person, socializing and screaming at the top of my lungs with passion!

P.S. I drive a KIA. (Not one they can readily steal!)
Title: Re: Attendance
Post by: NolongerWarriors on February 02, 2023, 01:19:38 PM
I thought we kinda prided ourselves on being an urban campus. Al thrived in an environment with some rough edges. Some of the best dudes ever to put on our jerseys came from places with those rough edges. Cracked Sidewalks, no?

I don't want to get pulled into a gigantic message board slap fight about the reality of crime, but by and large it has been falling nationwide since the late 70s/early 80s (sometimes markedly so). Without Remorse, the Dirty Harry movies, all of that cultural creation was in conversation with the urban decay that was probably the lived reality of the time on campus for many of the people complaining the loudest about the city now.

LOL, people don't want the "rough edges" of the broken glass when their car windows are smashed.
Title: Re: Attendance
Post by: Uncle Rico on February 02, 2023, 01:22:10 PM
Attendance will be fine as long as they keep winning and with Shaka Smart as head coach, that looks like a lot this year and into the future.  Couple that with the talent he’s bringing in and developing, it’ll be a hot Milwaukee spot on game night/day. 
Title: Re: Attendance
Post by: 21Jumpstreet on February 02, 2023, 01:23:27 PM
I think it’s fair to say that there is some crazy sheet going down in MKE, just like any other big city. I think it’s so fair to say some are more comfortable than others. Also fair, be smart. Being smart doesn’t always make a difference, but it likely helps. For example, my wife was out of her mind that I let my son hit up a Culvers in midtown on a Saturday night. She makes a good point that putting yourself in seeming safer situations is likely safer. All that being said, it’s okay to stay away from downtown, more barstools for me to choose from
Title: Re: Attendance
Post by: We R Final Four on February 02, 2023, 01:25:54 PM
The students don't suck
The marketing department does suck
The concessions don't suck
The DJ absolutely, positively sucks
Milwaukee is scary
What is happening to your Badgers nolonger?
Gotta have plenty to but h about over there…..but no….you still come here and talj about things other than our winning basketball team. Ha
Title: Re: Attendance
Post by: Dickthedribbler on February 02, 2023, 01:28:47 PM
Anybody else really confused by a post like this regarding the students coming from this guy?

If you don't know, he's a Badger fan, and his only purpose in being here is to yank your (my) chain.
Title: Re: Attendance
Post by: brewcity77 on February 02, 2023, 01:29:33 PM
To your point, social media posts have almost negligible costs.   They could be flooding their pages reminding people of the upcoming games and what is at stake, etc.  It doesn't even have to be a promotion, just awareness.

Same with emails. I've received emails at a 3:1 rate from the women's basketball program this week than the men's. Volleyball is far more interactive. We've got a top-15 team and they are barely selling it.
Title: Re: Attendance
Post by: Galway Eagle on February 02, 2023, 01:30:20 PM
Maybe nows the time to talk about the piss poor public transit options in Milwaukee relative to cities its size. I was able to take the L to the wintrust on Saturday, why can't someone do that from Tosa or West Allis or Bayview?

MKE leaned wayyy too hard into car infrastructure and now people are mad about what happens.

All that said the concessions suck at Fiserv.
Title: Re: Attendance
Post by: Hards Alumni on February 02, 2023, 01:40:02 PM
  looks like an ad hominem to me, ey fellas?  what's going on...little man syndrome?

No.  He's dumb.  And brilliant in comparison to you.
Title: Re: Attendance
Post by: jficke13 on February 02, 2023, 01:41:08 PM
LOL, people don't want the "rough edges" of the broken glass when their car windows are smashed.

A few people experience property crime and you're willing to forgo a whole lot of life's experiences assuming property crime is more common than it is. Man, being a slave to recency bias + being really bad at assessing actual risk must be a hecukuva restrictive way to go through life.

Do you fly? Have you heard of airplane crashes?
Title: Re: Attendance
Post by: Hards Alumni on February 02, 2023, 01:42:36 PM
Maybe nows the time to talk about the piss poor public transit options in Milwaukee relative to cities its size. I was able to take the L to the wintrust on Saturday, why can't someone do that from Tosa or West Allis or Bayview?

MKE leaned wayyy too hard into car infrastructure and now people are mad about what happens.

All that said the concessions suck at Fiserv.

(https://i.giphy.com/media/UVdiMrmmwTWDcN2dZ5/giphy.webp)
Title: Re: Attendance
Post by: Uncle Rico on February 02, 2023, 01:46:40 PM
Maybe nows the time to talk about the piss poor public transit options in Milwaukee relative to cities its size. I was able to take the L to the wintrust on Saturday, why can't someone do that from Tosa or West Allis or Bayview?

MKE leaned wayyy too hard into car infrastructure and now people are mad about what happens.

All that said the concessions suck at Fiserv.

If I can’t drive my car to the door, I’m not going.  Public transportation is for commies.  More streets = more parking
Title: Re: Attendance
Post by: 4everwarriors on February 02, 2023, 01:47:00 PM
No.  He's dumb.  And brilliant in comparison to you.


Dude, ewe should bea sew dum. Musta graduated wit Latin Honors...Muchum Cum Lousy, aina?
Title: Re: Attendance
Post by: Hards Alumni on February 02, 2023, 01:58:15 PM

Dude, ewe should bea sew dum. Musta graduated wit Latin Honors...Muchum Cum Lousy, aina?

good one?
Title: Re: Attendance
Post by: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on February 02, 2023, 02:07:34 PM
To opine on this matter, MU would be trivin' right now had they moved to the campus Concordia now has. When Concordia was essentially on 33rd and State St., it was dyin' on the vine. At present it has not only added enrollment, but added  programs as well (i.e. PA, Pharmacy).
For the record, urban campuses had their run 15 years ago. Not so popular now unless you're a highly selective university like UChicago, UPenn, Yale, etc., hey?


LOL. The guy who has repeatedly called Marquette "middle of the road" for its #83 ranking in USN&WR, is now is touting Concordia - ranked #317 in the same category.

Just amazing stuff.
Title: Re: Attendance
Post by: wadesworld on February 02, 2023, 02:10:12 PM
The students don't suck
The marketing department does suck
The concessions don't suck
The DJ absolutely, positively sucks
Milwaukee is scary

The Badgers unquestionably suck.
The Big Ten unquestionably sucks.
Title: Re: Attendance
Post by: GoFastAndWin on February 02, 2023, 02:13:42 PM
Funny,
When I’m around Marquette people, I always have a good time. I also genuinely like 95+% of them.

I will slightly amend Al McGuire’s quote about what a good education consists of>>>>

Everyone should get a college degree and then spend four months as a bartender, four months as a cab driver, and four months as a golf caddie. Only then would they be truly be “educated”. 

Scoop is like a caddie yard, with a sprinkle of horse track 🏇🏽. Everyone has an opinion, and some are very strong. It’s a beautiful tapestry of divergent views on life. We are all basically Damon Runyon characters. People are gonna piss each other off. Sometimes you just have to go about your business, turn the other cheek, and do your job. Let’s remember in the end what unites us.
Title: Re: Attendance
Post by: dgies9156 on February 02, 2023, 02:16:49 PM
Are you people nuts?

No seriously, are you nuts.

I read about all this supposed "crime" in downtown Milwaukee around the FiServ. From what I read in here, every third woman is raped; no one gets out without being mugged and about one or two people a night get a bodily insertion of lead!

C'mon now. No wonder people think we white folk intensely dislike the black folk. When we won't share a good time with our brothers and sisters not like us because we think they'll commit crimes against us, we white folks are the ones who act like as**oles. And, yes, like it or not, this is a racial issue.

Last Thanksgiving, some idiot entered the parking lot at Orlando International Airport, drove around and stole gas from people's cars. Do I avoid airports because of gas pirates? Hint: my car is sitting on the roof of MCO as I write this. My house was broken into years ago by some idiots (probably teenagers). Do I suddenly have burglar bars, a massive collection of weapons and four different alarm systems. Hint: I lived there for 28 years and was burglarized once! The answer is a hearty NO!!!!

I'm old enough to be, in Brother Newsdreams' words, a "geezer" but I lived on the Marquette campus in the mid-to-late 1970s. You take reasonable safety precautions and assume everyone is your brother and sister and I promise you your attitude changes.

Brother TAMU, Knower of Ball, is right: I too choose not to live in fear!
Title: Re: Attendance
Post by: JakeBarnes on February 02, 2023, 02:19:54 PM
Are you people nuts?

No seriously, are you nuts.

I read about all this supposed "crime" in downtown Milwaukee around the FiServ. From what I read in here, every third woman is raped; no one gets out without being mugged and about one or two people a night get a bodily insertion of lead!

C'mon now. No wonder people think we white folk intensely dislike the black folk. When we won't share a good time with our brothers and sisters not like us because we think they'll commit crimes against us, we white folks are the ones who act like as**oles. And, yes, like it or not, this is a racial issue.

Last Thanksgiving, some idiot entered the parking lot at Orlando International Airport, drove around and stole gas from people's cars. Do I avoid airports because of gas pirates? Hint: my car is sitting on the roof of MCO as I write this. My house was broken into years ago by some idiots (probably teenagers). Do I suddenly have burglar bars, a massive collection of weapons and four different alarm systems. Hint: I lived there for 28 years and was burglarized once! The answer is a hearty NO!!!!

I'm old enough to be, in Brother Newsdreams' words, a "geezer" but I lived on the Marquette campus in the mid-to-late 1970s. You take reasonable safety precautions and assume everyone is your brother and sister and I promise you your attitude changes.

Brother TAMU, Knower of Ball, is right: I too choose not to live in fear!

FEAR District?

Fun
Entertainment
And
Recreation
Title: Re: Attendance
Post by: Uncle Rico on February 02, 2023, 02:23:55 PM
Are you people nuts?

No seriously, are you nuts.

I read about all this supposed "crime" in downtown Milwaukee around the FiServ. From what I read in here, every third woman is raped; no one gets out without being mugged and about one or two people a night get a bodily insertion of lead!

C'mon now. No wonder people think we white folk intensely dislike the black folk. When we won't share a good time with our brothers and sisters not like us because we think they'll commit crimes against us, we white folks are the ones who act like as**oles. And, yes, like it or not, this is a racial issue.

Last Thanksgiving, some idiot entered the parking lot at Orlando International Airport, drove around and stole gas from people's cars. Do I avoid airports because of gas pirates? Hint: my car is sitting on the roof of MCO as I write this. My house was broken into years ago by some idiots (probably teenagers). Do I suddenly have burglar bars, a massive collection of weapons and four different alarm systems. Hint: I lived there for 28 years and was burglarized once! The answer is a hearty NO!!!!

I'm old enough to be, in Brother Newsdreams' words, a "geezer" but I lived on the Marquette campus in the mid-to-late 1970s. You take reasonable safety precautions and assume everyone is your brother and sister and I promise you your attitude changes.

Brother TAMU, Knower of Ball, is right: I too choose not to live in fear!

There’s a select few posters terrified of downtown and urban settings.  Most of us aren’t dentists, however
Title: Re: Attendance
Post by: Galway Eagle on February 02, 2023, 02:31:09 PM
Are you people nuts?

No seriously, are you nuts.

I read about all this supposed "crime" in downtown Milwaukee around the FiServ. From what I read in here, every third woman is raped; no one gets out without being mugged and about one or two people a night get a bodily insertion of lead!

C'mon now. No wonder people think we white folk intensely dislike the black folk. When we won't share a good time with our brothers and sisters not like us because we think they'll commit crimes against us, we white folks are the ones who act like as**oles. And, yes, like it or not, this is a racial issue.

Last Thanksgiving, some idiot entered the parking lot at Orlando International Airport, drove around and stole gas from people's cars. Do I avoid airports because of gas pirates? Hint: my car is sitting on the roof of MCO as I write this. My house was broken into years ago by some idiots (probably teenagers). Do I suddenly have burglar bars, a massive collection of weapons and four different alarm systems. Hint: I lived there for 28 years and was burglarized once! The answer is a hearty NO!!!!

I'm old enough to be, in Brother Newsdreams' words, a "geezer" but I lived on the Marquette campus in the mid-to-late 1970s. You take reasonable safety precautions and assume everyone is your brother and sister and I promise you your attitude changes.

Brother TAMU, Knower of Ball, is right: I too choose not to live in fear!

Usually I enjoy picking apart your longer posts to find something i disagree with. Today I just want to slow clap like the end of cool Runnings.
Title: Re: Attendance
Post by: JakeBarnes on February 02, 2023, 02:31:57 PM
Usually I enjoy picking apart your longer posts to find something i disagree with. Today I just want to slow clap like the end of cool Runnings.

Sanka, you dead?
Title: Re: Attendance
Post by: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on February 02, 2023, 02:32:00 PM
To opine on this matter, MU would be trivin' right now had they moved to the campus Concordia now has. When Concordia was essentially on 33rd and State St., it was dyin' on the vine. At present it has not only added enrollment, but added  programs as well (i.e. PA, Pharmacy).
For the record, urban campuses had their run 15 years ago. Not so popular now unless you're a highly selective university like UChicago, UPenn, Yale, etc., hey?

Also, to be clear, Concordia is a big success story. As you mentioned, it was about to close when it was in an even worse location than Marquette. 

But it is a very different school than Marquette. A lot of non-traditional, part time programs. A much lower academic profile. Their success should be celebrated because it takes all types of schools.

But if you think Marquette would have been better off moving up there in the 1980s?  Highly doubtful.
Title: Re: Attendance
Post by: tower912 on February 02, 2023, 02:35:52 PM
Brother dgies, I could not agree with you more.   
Title: Re: Attendance
Post by: warriorchick on February 02, 2023, 02:41:32 PM
Maybe nows the time to talk about the piss poor public transit options in Milwaukee relative to cities its size. I was able to take the L to the wintrust on Saturday, why can't someone do that from Tosa or West Allis or Bayview?

MKE leaned wayyy too hard into car infrastructure and now people are mad about what happens.


They can take the bus.

How many cities the size of Milwaukee have subway/light rail service?
Title: Re: Attendance
Post by: Spencer Pratt on February 02, 2023, 02:42:00 PM

Why does Creighton draw better than Marquette?  I know there’s nothing to do in Omaha but there’s more people in Milwaukee and Marquette is a bigger school with a bigger basketball tradition.


Creighton was drawing 3k per game up until the late 90's.  Not much history at all.  They have just done a much better job marketing the product to the casual fan in the city / state the last 10 years than Marquette.  And postseason success is not the main reason...they have only made one Sweet 16 in their history. 
Title: Re: Attendance
Post by: YaBlueIt on February 02, 2023, 02:43:45 PM
Are you people nuts?

No seriously, are you nuts.

I read about all this supposed "crime" in downtown Milwaukee around the FiServ. From what I read in here, every third woman is raped; no one gets out without being mugged and about one or two people a night get a bodily insertion of lead!

C'mon now. No wonder people think we white folk intensely dislike the black folk. When we won't share a good time with our brothers and sisters not like us because we think they'll commit crimes against us, we white folks are the ones who act like as**oles. And, yes, like it or not, this is a racial issue.

Last Thanksgiving, some idiot entered the parking lot at Orlando International Airport, drove around and stole gas from people's cars. Do I avoid airports because of gas pirates? Hint: my car is sitting on the roof of MCO as I write this. My house was broken into years ago by some idiots (probably teenagers). Do I suddenly have burglar bars, a massive collection of weapons and four different alarm systems. Hint: I lived there for 28 years and was burglarized once! The answer is a hearty NO!!!!

I'm old enough to be, in Brother Newsdreams' words, a "geezer" but I lived on the Marquette campus in the mid-to-late 1970s. You take reasonable safety precautions and assume everyone is your brother and sister and I promise you your attitude changes.

Brother TAMU, Knower of Ball, is right: I too choose not to live in fear!

The same people who say crime levels downtown are affecting game attendance are the ones who thought that crime around campus would hurt the size of incoming classes. Shocker.
Title: Re: Attendance
Post by: GoFastAndWin on February 02, 2023, 02:49:57 PM
Creighton was drawing 3k per game up until the late 90's.  Not much history at all.  They have just done a much better job marketing the product to the casual fan in the city / state the last 10 years than Marquette.  And postseason success is not the main reason...they have only made one Sweet 16 in their history.

Yes. Creighton has a rabid fan base with relatively little program accomplishments, somewhat similar to ABD. The similarities end at their respective towns, however. While neither city has pro sports, there is much more to do in Omaha than in Dayton. Any way MU could make a push to hire away someone(s) from one of those two marketing departments?
Title: Re: Attendance
Post by: Galway Eagle on February 02, 2023, 02:57:55 PM
They can take the bus.

How many cities the size of Milwaukee have subway/light rail service?

First, let's establish that the MKE light rail might be the most pointless transit system in the country and doesn't really help anyone who would otherwise drive get into the city. Now of the top of my head Kansas City, Cincinnati, Austin, Hartford/New Haven don't but at least have a fast connecting line that runs consistently and would bring near people to the city.

Next busses don't move the needle because 1 they aren't reliable on their schedule due to traffic pattern changes, 2 they've been known to skip stops. So for a 5:30 tip no chance someone from tosa is about to hop on a bus, they may however take a rapid transit line.
Title: Re: Attendance
Post by: Uncle Rico on February 02, 2023, 03:03:23 PM
Creighton was drawing 3k per game up until the late 90's.  Not much history at all.  They have just done a much better job marketing the product to the casual fan in the city / state the last 10 years than Marquette.  And postseason success is not the main reason...they have only made one Sweet 16 in their history.

Dana Altman did a lot of great work at Creighton.  They were one of the best teams in The Valley when The Valley was at its best.  He had a string of good players, including some Milwaukee kids in Rodney Buford and Ben Walker.  That sustained success, albeit not necessarily in deep March runs, built a strong fanbase.  Arch Madness crowds were almost always overwhelmed with Jays fans

Gregg McDermott has done a fantastic job continuing and building on what Dana Altman began.

It should be noted Eddie Sutton started his career at Creighton, too.  There’s history, just not the kind of history other Big East schools have had.
Title: Re: Attendance
Post by: dgies9156 on February 02, 2023, 03:05:13 PM
They can take the bus.

How many cities the size of Milwaukee have subway/light rail service?

St. Louis
Title: Re: Attendance
Post by: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on February 02, 2023, 03:07:17 PM
I think if Milwaukee didn't have the Bucks, Marquette's attendance would be A LOT better. I think Creighton benefits from a lot of the corporate dollars that go to the Bucks here.
Title: Re: Attendance
Post by: Not A Serious Person on February 02, 2023, 03:15:43 PM
Why is anyone surprised at the flagging attendance? It is a pain to attend any/all sporting events.

Everyone would rather sit on the couch and watch it in 70 inch 4K.

And no one seems particularly excercised when most of the 2020/2021 season was played in front of zero fans.

But if you really want fans, cancel the fox contract with big East.


———

PS many years ago on the board was this fossil callled MUavenue that would complain that MU was not on “national tv.” By that he meant traditional networks, like CBS and ABC.

He was mocked for being out of touch.

Don’t be that way about attendance.
Title: Re: Attendance
Post by: MUBBau on February 02, 2023, 03:17:41 PM
I think if Milwaukee didn't have the Bucks, Marquette's attendance would be A LOT better. I think Creighton benefits from a lot of the corporate dollars that go to the Bucks here.

I think if Milwaukee didn't have the Bucks, Marquette would average 3,700 fans per game. 
Title: Re: Attendance
Post by: Skatastrophy on February 02, 2023, 03:25:24 PM
I think if Milwaukee didn't have the Bucks, Marquette would average 3,700 fans per game. 

Is that how big the Al is? Cause then this is a good joke.
Title: Re: Attendance
Post by: MU Fan in Connecticut on February 02, 2023, 03:26:53 PM
Like this email I just received?

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Title: Re: Attendance
Post by: Hards Alumni on February 02, 2023, 03:29:31 PM
They can take the bus.

How many cities the size of Milwaukee have subway/light rail service?

The problem with the bus is it doesn't have dedicated lanes and the routes generally suck and transfer points are outdoors.
Title: Re: Attendance
Post by: BrewCity83 on February 02, 2023, 03:32:02 PM
Why is anyone surprised at the flagging attendance? It is a pain to attend any/all sporting events.

Everyone would rather sit on the couch and watch it in 70 inch 4K.

I wouldn't.  It's ten times better watching in person.  Granted, I have good seats (season tickets), but being there is a whole different, and greater, experience than TV.

Now, if we're talking about the last 10 rows of the upper levels, then yes, you have a point.
Title: Re: Attendance
Post by: GoldenEagles03 on February 02, 2023, 03:50:40 PM
I wouldn't.  It's ten times better watching in person.  Granted, I have good seats (season tickets), but being there is a whole different, and greater, experience than TV.

Now, if we're talking about the last 10 rows of the upper levels, then yes, you have a point.

I'd have season tickets if I didn't live 2 hours away.

I go to all the weekend games I can.
Title: Re: Attendance
Post by: Not A Serious Person on February 02, 2023, 03:58:08 PM
I wouldn't.  It's ten times better watching in person.  Granted, I have good seats (season tickets), but being there is a whole different, and greater, experience than TV.

Now, if we're talking about the last 10 rows of the upper levels, then yes, you have a point.

Seems like you made the point that the last 4,000 seats are unsaleable and those complaining that are not sold are just part of the out of touch swearer vest crowd.

They probably also subscribe to cable too
Title: Re: Attendance
Post by: wadesworld on February 02, 2023, 04:01:38 PM
Heise is in need of some attention today, I see.
Title: Re: Attendance
Post by: Scoop Snoop on February 02, 2023, 04:02:48 PM
Same with emails. I've received emails at a 3:1 rate from the women's basketball program this week than the men's. Volleyball is far more interactive. We've got a top-15 team and they are barely selling it.
 

I cannot agree more with all of you calling for selling, promoting, marketing our men's bball team. I founded a small manufacturing company that sold directly to owners of very upscale homes. I spent an ungodly amount of money on professional photography (often very expensive on-site). copywriters, ad agencies, and ads- full page in a high-end DC shelter mag, on PBS with a professionally produced video and, home shows etc. It worked! Like the old line from "Cheers", everybody knew our name. We absolutely stomped our competitors.   

After retiring, I served on the board of a 22 year old non-profit that makes grants only in our county with a population of 14-15,000. Some of the fossils on the board often whined about how "nobody knows who we are!" yet saw no problem with having absolutely no money set aside for marketing. ::)  And no, I am not making this up.

While VCU has always had very strong visual and performing arts programs, why-just to highlight one thing that stood out at VCU when Shaka was there-why can't Marquette find the money and talent to develop one Hell of a great pep band? And why continue with a DJ that apparently no one likes?

I'm only focusing on a mere two things here. There are at least 20-30 other areas that should be developed to create first-class marketing, or maybe I should say experience, for our bball program. We do have a business school, do we not? And has there been any serious attempt to create focus groups with the students?
Title: Re: Attendance
Post by: UWW2MU on February 02, 2023, 04:04:43 PM
It's been a few pages, so I just wanted to remind everyone that I hate the concessions situation at the Fiserv.

Title: Re: Attendance
Post by: Dickthedribbler on February 02, 2023, 04:24:56 PM
In all seriousness though, things like attendance figures tend to have a lagging effect. IF, we close the season strong, and IF we win a couple of BET games and IF we play the second weekend of the NCAA Tournament, there should be a surge in season ticket sales next fall. This thing that Shaka is putting together is real.
Title: Re: Attendance
Post by: Newsdreams on February 02, 2023, 04:51:11 PM
They should bring back the pre-game $2 nachos and the $3 Haams special on weeknights.  Was that in the last year of the BC? 

The fans loved it.  It couldn't hurt.
Don't think FiFo management will be onboard for this
Title: Re: Attendance
Post by: Viper on February 02, 2023, 04:51:58 PM

This kinda sounds like a "crime eye test" excuse.
Milwaukee YOY three years running record high murder #’s is not a ‘crime eye test’. Top 5 in America car theft rate is not a ‘crime eye test’. With a defund the cop Mayor in Cavalier Johnson, Milwaukee crime is what it is, unfortunately. Milwaukee’s crime issues do impact the desire of folks to go to downtown events. And, a lot of vacant office space downtown, even with employers trying to lure their workforce back. I’m sure we agree that until city residents vote change, i.e. Milwaukee, Chicago et al, nothing will. Live in fear?, of course not. But certainly frustrating that crime has become a seemingly accepted companion to urban life, more-so then ever, it appears.
Title: Re: Attendance
Post by: Newsdreams on February 02, 2023, 04:54:29 PM
I had my car stolen last year during the ncaa tournament and I haven’t gone down since for a game because of this. Freaking Hyundai
Hyundai? You deserved to have your car stolen.
Title: Re: Attendance
Post by: Galway Eagle on February 02, 2023, 05:05:19 PM
I'm sure we agree that until city residents vote change, i.e. Milwaukee, Chicago et al, nothing will.

Yes it's the voting patterns, not years and year of white flight artificially lowering the home values in neighborhoods making it difficult to accumulate wealth in home equity, not the Uber capitalist major corporations taking their operations overseas causing strong communities to go jobless and default on their mortgages (literally the entire rust belt), not cities cutting through strong neighborhoods because the white folks that ran out to the suburbs cried "we still need access to the cities just cut through the poor ones!"...

There's crime everywhere but the irony of people embracing a system that created the crime spikes in areas and then being upset about it is hilarious.
Title: Re: Attendance
Post by: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on February 02, 2023, 05:17:10 PM
Milwaukee YOY three years running record high murder #’s is not a ‘crime eye test’. Top 5 in America car theft rate is not a ‘crime eye test’. With a defund the cop Mayor in Cavalier Johnson, Milwaukee crime is what it is, unfortunately. Milwaukee’s crime issues do impact the desire of folks to go to downtown events. And, a lot of vacant office space downtown, even with employers trying to lure their workforce back. I’m sure we agree that until city residents vote change, i.e. Milwaukee, Chicago et al, nothing will. Live in fear?, of course not. But certainly frustrating that crime has become a seemingly accepted companion to urban life, more-so then ever, it appears.

Uh. Perhaps read posts in context instead of ranting away on talking points. Connie said that there has been growth in property and violent crime downtown since the 1980s. I simply asked for data. She provided none.
Title: Re: Attendance
Post by: Hards Alumni on February 02, 2023, 05:18:04 PM
Milwaukee YOY three years running record high murder #’s is not a ‘crime eye test’. Top 5 in America car theft rate is not a ‘crime eye test’. With a defund the cop Mayor in Cavalier Johnson, Milwaukee crime is what it is, unfortunately. Milwaukee’s crime issues do impact the desire of folks to go to downtown events. And, a lot of vacant office space downtown, even with employers trying to lure their workforce back. I’m sure we agree that until city residents vote change, i.e. Milwaukee, Chicago et al, nothing will. Live in fear?, of course not. But certainly frustrating that crime has become a seemingly accepted companion to urban life, more-so then ever, it appears.

You're right, we should bring back the governance of the first half of the 20th century.  Literally peak Milwaukee.
Title: Re: Attendance
Post by: wadesworld on February 02, 2023, 05:21:18 PM
Thankfully I don't personally know a single person that is afraid of going into downtown Milwaukee.  I think the posters that live in Madison are outing themselves here.  Sounding like some Middleton basketball parents not wanting the WIAA State basketball tournament played in Milwaukee because nobody makes it out of there alive.
Title: Re: Attendance
Post by: Norm on February 02, 2023, 06:09:50 PM
You're right, we should bring back the governance of the first half of the 20th century.  Literally peak Milwaukee.

Ah, the golden era of Socialist mayors!
Title: Re: Attendance
Post by: Viper on February 02, 2023, 06:15:57 PM
Yes it's the voting patterns, not years and year of white flight artificially lowering the home values in neighborhoods making it difficult to accumulate wealth in home equity, not the Uber capitalist major corporations taking their operations overseas causing strong communities to go jobless and default on their mortgages (literally the entire rust belt), not cities cutting through strong neighborhoods because the white folks that ran out to the suburbs cried "we still need access to the cities just cut through the poor ones!"...

There's crime everywhere but the irony of people embracing a system that created the crime spikes in areas and then being upset about it is hilarious.
nice cherry pick. White flight? How convenient. Damn whitie!! How ‘bout this. Instead of the blame game, be accountable. Vote out the do-nothings. Demonstrate, through the awesome privilege of the opportunity to vote, for responsible politicians that have a damn plan. Flight to the ‘burbs? Why? I read where NML is looking to expand downtown, but by-in-large corporate America continues to look elsewhere to downtown options. Why? Nothing changes within the politics of urban America, yet urban America wants change? Great. Demand change at the ballot box and stop making excuses!
Title: Re: Attendance
Post by: Viper on February 02, 2023, 06:17:08 PM
Uh. Perhaps read posts in context instead of ranting away on talking points. Connie said that there has been growth in property and violent crime downtown since the 1980s. I simply asked for data. She provided none.
SOS, I helped her out. Thx.
(I’ll check out now. Not looking to get a string lock-down)
Title: Re: Attendance
Post by: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on February 02, 2023, 06:24:15 PM
nice cherry pick. White flight? How convenient. Damn whitie!! How ‘bout this. Instead of the blame game, be accountable. Vote out the do-nothings. Demonstrate, through the awesome privilege of the opportunity to vote, for responsible politicians that have a damn plan. Flight to the ‘burbs? Why? I read where NML is looking to expand downtown, but by-in-large corporate America continues to look elsewhere to downtown options. Why? Nothing changes within the politics of urban America, yet urban America wants change? Great. Demand change at the ballot box and stop making excuses!

If only the blacks knew enough to vote how you think they should.
Title: Re: Attendance
Post by: Galway Eagle on February 02, 2023, 06:28:48 PM
nice cherry pick. White flight? How convenient. Damn whitie!! How ‘bout this. Instead of the blame game, be accountable. Vote out the do-nothings. Demonstrate, through the awesome privilege of the opportunity to vote, for responsible politicians that have a damn plan. Flight to the ‘burbs? Why? I read where NML is looking to expand downtown, but by-in-large corporate America continues to look elsewhere to downtown options. Why? Nothing changes within the politics of urban America, yet urban America wants change? Great. Demand change at the ballot box and stop making excuses!

So white flight never existed? The mass exodus never artificially caused a major decrease in home value causing those that had a middle class income to lose a fortune they'd saved up for?
Title: Re: Attendance
Post by: Skatastrophy on February 02, 2023, 06:36:46 PM
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Title: Re: Attendance
Post by: Tha Hound on February 02, 2023, 07:52:22 PM
If you're invoking "crime" as the reason you won't attend games in Milwaukee, please know:

No one cares if you come to the games or not you dweeb. Stick to the Buffalo Wild Wings in your crapty suburb and leave the rest of us alone.
Title: Re: Attendance
Post by: Tha Hound on February 02, 2023, 07:53:55 PM
To opine on this matter, MU would be trivin' right now had they moved to the campus Concordia now has. When Concordia was essentially on 33rd and State St., it was dyin' on the vine. At present it has not only added enrollment, but added  programs as well (i.e. PA, Pharmacy).
For the record, urban campuses had their run 15 years ago. Not so popular now unless you're a highly selective university like UChicago, UPenn, Yale, etc., hey?

Hahahahahahahahaha
Title: Re: Attendance
Post by: muwarrior69 on February 02, 2023, 08:29:33 PM
#9 UCLA playing in a largely empty Pauley Pavilion.
Title: Re: Attendance
Post by: Viper on February 02, 2023, 08:33:20 PM
If only the blacks knew enough to vote how you think they should.
your misguided take. God bless.
Title: Re: Attendance
Post by: Viper on February 02, 2023, 08:36:28 PM
If you're invoking "crime" as the reason you won't attend games in Milwaukee, please know:

No one cares if you come to the games or not you dweeb. Stick to the Buffalo Wild Wings in your crapty suburb and leave the rest of us alone.
dweeb? R U Serious? It’s come to name calling? Priceless.
Title: Re: Attendance
Post by: brewcity77 on February 02, 2023, 08:41:47 PM
nice cherry pick. White flight? How convenient. Damn whitie!! How ‘bout this. Instead of the blame game, be accountable. Vote out the do-nothings. Demonstrate, through the awesome privilege of the opportunity to vote, for responsible politicians that have a damn plan. Flight to the ‘burbs? Why? I read where NML is looking to expand downtown, but by-in-large corporate America continues to look elsewhere to downtown options. Why? Nothing changes within the politics of urban America, yet urban America wants change? Great. Demand change at the ballot box and stop making excuses!

Clearly you don't know how state government in Wisconsin works.
Title: Re: Attendance
Post by: warriorchick on February 03, 2023, 12:39:28 AM
Uh. Perhaps read posts in context instead of ranting away on talking points. Connie said that there has been growth in property and violent crime downtown since the 1980s. I simply asked for data. She provided none.

Are you sure Connie is a she? I assumed it was more of a "Connie Mack" kind of situation.
Title: Re: Attendance
Post by: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on February 03, 2023, 03:35:12 AM
Are you sure Connie is a she? I assumed it was more of a "Connie Mack" kind of situation.

I shouldn’t have assumed gender.
Title: Re: Attendance
Post by: 4everwarriors on February 03, 2023, 03:41:58 AM
Man or woman, ur up early, hey?
Title: Re: Attendance
Post by: Goose on February 03, 2023, 05:47:34 AM
Doc

A lot of folks on scoop love to assume things and have no problem running with assumptions.

One assumption that cracks me up is that you Mrs. 4ever never leave Mequon and stay clear of downtown MKE. Little do they know.

Title: Re: Attendance
Post by: wisblue on February 03, 2023, 05:50:43 AM
I wouldn't.  It's ten times better watching in person.  Granted, I have good seats (season tickets), but being there is a whole different, and greater, experience than TV.

Now, if we're talking about the last 10 rows of the upper levels, then yes, you have a point.

Hey, my season tickets are at midcourt in Row 5 of the upper level. There are only 10 rows in the section. The experience from there is just fine. With my low priority status (I’m not an alum and don’t make contributions to the MU Athletic Department except for the cost of the tickets) I can’t get better seats. I prefer the midcourt view to a lower endzone or corner seat, and I would have to pay significantly more to get those.
Title: Re: Attendance
Post by: 🏀 on February 03, 2023, 05:55:21 AM
Doc

A lot of folks on scoop love to assume things and have no problem running with assumptions.

One assumption that cracks me up is that you Mrs. 4ever never leave Mequon and stay clear of downtown MKE. Little do they know.



Goose

Many posters are struggling to keep 4ever’s story straight, one of those posters is 4ever himself.
Title: Re: Attendance
Post by: Goose on February 03, 2023, 06:08:45 AM
I have no problem trying to keep tabs on 4evers posts, but I am also not trying find reasons to attack every post from 4ever.

One comment on the crime part of this thread, anyone that says they are not concerned about crime in downtown MKE (FF) I think is not being 100% truthful, and anyone who avoids going to games because of potential crime is missing out on a great time.

I think MU’s attendance is going to continue increase next year. Provided they have a nice run in March, this team has brought in, or back, a lot of casual fans. Great style of play and winning will fill the seats.
Title: Re: Attendance
Post by: 4everwarriors on February 03, 2023, 06:19:41 AM
Since becoming a snowbird, the one thing I miss is being able to attend Marquette games in person.



No problem, pretty sure your parkin' spot on 6th and Brown is still waitin' fore ya, hey?
Title: Re: Attendance
Post by: real chili 83 on February 03, 2023, 06:22:58 AM
Probably don’t see too many Kia’s up there.
Title: Re: Attendance
Post by: 4everwarriors on February 03, 2023, 06:34:04 AM
If ya do, they have no license plates, aina?
Title: Re: Attendance
Post by: pbiflyer on February 03, 2023, 06:42:15 AM
#9 UCLA playing in a largely empty Pauley Pavilion.

Well that area is pretty crime ridden. People are probably terrified to go to Westwood area. One time I saw ford bronco.
Title: Re: Attendance
Post by: avid1010 on February 03, 2023, 06:45:36 AM
I'm terrified of MKE...it's only 92 miles from Chicago.

I drive to games from an hour north of MKE...never anything for serious traffic...park a few blocks from the arena for free....eat dinner for WI prices...watch a superb MU team...drive home with no traffic. 

Pro's and con's to large cities...but a family member of mine in a $2.5 million Glencoe home just had their home burglarized...for the 2nd time in 3 years.
Title: Re: Attendance
Post by: Viper on February 03, 2023, 07:30:07 AM
Clearly you don't know how state government in Wisconsin works.
not surprisingly, your assumption is wrong.
Title: Re: Attendance
Post by: The Thing on February 03, 2023, 08:11:16 AM
Bottom line is this team hasn’t won an NCAA tourney game in years. Win a few over the next few years and that will do more to get butts in seats than anything else being proposed here.
Title: Re: Attendance
Post by: tower912 on February 03, 2023, 08:16:27 AM
And despite that, MU's attendance numbers are better than most.
Title: Re: Attendance
Post by: GoFastAndWin on February 03, 2023, 09:01:35 AM
I'm terrified of MKE...it's only 92 miles from Chicago.

I drive to games from an hour north of MKE...never anything for serious traffic...park a few blocks from the arena for free....eat dinner for WI prices...watch a superb MU team...drive home with no traffic. 

Pro's and con's to large cities...but a family member of mine in a $2.5 million Glencoe home just had their home burglarized...for the 2nd time in 3 years.

I work in Glencoe and the downtown could not be more quiet and well-policed. Despite this, there have been break-ins at multiple local businesses. Recently, the pharmacy at the Walgreens had thousands of dollars of medicine stolen.
Title: Re: Attendance
Post by: 79Warrior on February 03, 2023, 11:58:43 AM
#9 UCLA playing in a largely empty Pauley Pavilion.

The focus on attendance is a little silly. We typically are top 20-25 every year. The program has historically average double digit attendance. The overwhelming majority of division 1 CBB teams would love our situation.
Title: Re: Attendance
Post by: Uncle Rico on February 03, 2023, 01:08:30 PM
The focus on attendance is a little silly. We typically are top 20-25 every year. The program has historically average double digit attendance. The overwhelming majority of division 1 CBB teams would love our situation.

Billy Packer was right
Title: Re: Attendance
Post by: MU82 on February 03, 2023, 01:31:46 PM
Jeesh ... when did Glencoe move to downtown Milwaukee?

If only Glencoe had moved to where Concordia is, there'd never be any crime there.
Title: Re: Attendance
Post by: connie on February 03, 2023, 02:05:49 PM
I shouldn’t have assumed gender.
I'm not a biologist, but I am pretty secure in my gender.
Title: Re: Attendance
Post by: 4everwarriors on February 03, 2023, 02:40:20 PM
If ya stand on your head in The Quon while watchin' old You Tubes of Billy Packer, chances are you'll be able ta yo pronouns, hey?
Title: Re: Attendance
Post by: Coleman on February 03, 2023, 02:40:42 PM
They can take the bus.

How many cities the size of Milwaukee have subway/light rail service?

Quite a few actually. Not arguing for or against. But there's a decent amount. All of these cities have light rail lines:

Portland
St. Louis
Salt Lake City
Sacramento
Pittsburgh
Baltimore
Minneapolis/St Paul
Buffalo
Kansas City
Cleveland
Detroit

That's just true light rail lines. I'm not even counting streetcars, which include a bunch more (New Orleans, Tuscon, Memphis, Cincinnati, etc.)
Title: Re: Attendance
Post by: pbiflyer on February 03, 2023, 02:41:16 PM
Attending the game, I’m worried I’ll be a lot of drunk old derelicts.
Title: Re: Attendance
Post by: MU82 on February 03, 2023, 02:44:56 PM
Attending the game, I’m worried I’ll be a lot of drunk old derelicts.

Don't worry. They rarely leave Mequon.
Title: Re: Attendance
Post by: wadesworld on February 03, 2023, 02:54:11 PM
Quite a few actually. Not arguing for or against. But there's a decent amount. All of these cities have light rail lines:

Portland - 1.0 million more people in the metropolitan area than Milwaukee
St. Louis - 1.3 million more people in the metropolitan area than Milwaukee
Salt Lake City - smaller than Milwaukee metro
Sacramento - 800K more people in the metropolitan area than Milwaukee
Pittsburgh - 800K more people in the metropolitan area than Milwaukee
Baltimore - 1.2 million more people in the metropolitan area than Milwaukee
Minneapolis/St Paul - 1.5 million more people in the metropolitan area than Milwaukee
Buffalo - smaller than Milwaukee metro
Kansas City - 800K more people in the metropolitan area than Milwaukee
Cleveland - 500K more people in the metropolitan area than Milwaukee
Detroit - 2.8 million more people in the metropolitan area than Milwaukee

That's just true light rail lines. I'm not even counting streetcars, which include a bunch more (New Orleans, Tuscon, Memphis, Cincinnati, etc.)

Most of those cities have a fairly larger metro area and population than Milwaukee.

Milwaukee does have a streetcar, and nobody uses it.  It was totally pointless.  And there are buses without much overcrowding for those who need to use public transportation.  There's not really a need for a light rail in Milwaukee.  You can drive anywhere and find parking anywhere pretty easily at pretty much any time of day and year.

That is, if you don't get shot.
Title: Re: Attendance
Post by: DienerTime34 on February 03, 2023, 02:57:21 PM
Can anyone summarize this thread for me or should I read all 9 pages?
Title: Re: Attendance
Post by: Coleman on February 03, 2023, 03:00:00 PM
Most of those cities have a fairly larger metro area and population than Milwaukee.

Milwaukee does have a streetcar, and nobody uses it.  It was totally pointless.  And there are buses without much overcrowding for those who need to use public transportation.  There's not really a need for a light rail in Milwaukee.  You can drive anywhere and find parking anywhere pretty easily at pretty much any time of day and year.

That is, if you don't get shot.

I think the metro thing isn't exactly apples to apples. Many of these rail lines do not go far out into the suburbs. Although some do. Milwaukee as a city is bigger than many of these, such as St. Louis.

My point was that Milwaukee would not be an outlier if it had light rail. It is actually an outlier by not having one.

I don't have a strong opinion on it. I don't even live in Wisconsin.
Title: Re: Attendance
Post by: wadesworld on February 03, 2023, 03:01:07 PM
Can anyone summarize this thread for me or should I read all 9 pages?

Summary:

MU's marketing department sucks and should strive to be Dayton's, Creighton's, or DePaul's.
Title: Re: Attendance
Post by: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on February 03, 2023, 03:01:49 PM
Can anyone summarize this thread for me or should I read all 9 pages?

It is a level-headed, focused discussion on attendance at Marquette basketball games.  I envision everyone was seated on velour chairs, smoking pipes, while typing their brilliant and logical prose.
Title: Re: Attendance
Post by: swoopem on February 03, 2023, 03:12:41 PM
Can anyone summarize this thread for me or should I read all 9 pages?

People are scared of the big city and people are also super cheap and don’t buy beer at the games
Title: Re: Attendance
Post by: brewcity77 on February 03, 2023, 03:14:50 PM
not surprisingly, your assumption is wrong.

If you think Milwaukee voting is going to change statewide shared revenue, you are completely clueless.
Title: Re: Attendance
Post by: Galway Eagle on February 03, 2023, 03:22:47 PM
Most of those cities have a fairly larger metro area and population than Milwaukee.

Milwaukee does have a streetcar, and nobody uses it.  It was totally pointless.  And there are buses without much overcrowding for those who need to use public transportation.  There's not really a need for a light rail in Milwaukee.  You can drive anywhere and find parking anywhere pretty easily at pretty much any time of day and year.

That is, if you don't get shot.

Agree most of those are bigger, but some aren't and he forgot cinci.

The HOP is pointless, it goes nowhere. If they'd gone out to UWM, or MU, or to Potawatomi, or to Bayview I'm confident it'd get used but no they did a circle where almost the whole thing was walkable anyways.

Car mentality is what killed cities in the first place. Watch some strong towns and not just bikes, some fascinating stuff on urban decay and city planning.
Title: Re: Attendance
Post by: real chili 83 on February 03, 2023, 03:37:56 PM
Summary:

MU's marketing department sucks and should strive to be Dayton's, Creighton's, or DePaul's.

You're asking for it in a Kia or Hyundai
Title: Re: Attendance
Post by: GoFastAndWin on February 03, 2023, 03:39:34 PM
Can anyone summarize this thread for me or should I read all 9 pages?

Seashells ⛽️ and Balloons 🇨🇳
Title: Re: Attendance
Post by: Viper on February 03, 2023, 03:42:41 PM
If you think Milwaukee voting is going to change statewide shared revenue, you are completely clueless.
again you drive out of your lane with assumptions. We should meet for a beer and discuss. Somewhere here there’s a disconnect.
Title: Re: Attendance
Post by: Uncle Rico on February 03, 2023, 03:43:32 PM
Can anyone summarize this thread for me or should I read all 9 pages?

Old, white guy wishes he were young again and doesn’t understand the dynamics of the modern world
Title: Re: Attendance
Post by: Newsdreams on February 03, 2023, 04:32:23 PM
Doc

A lot of folks on scoop love to assume things and have no problem running with assumptions.

One assumption that cracks me up is that you Mrs. 4ever never leave Mequon and stay clear of downtown MKE. Little do they know.
Well obviously she wants to stay as far as away from 4ever as long as possible, can't blame her.
Title: Re: Attendance
Post by: Newsdreams on February 03, 2023, 04:40:10 PM
again you drive out of your lane with assumptions. We should meet for a beer and discuss. Somewhere here there’s a disconnect.
ROFL
Title: Re: Attendance
Post by: The Lens on February 04, 2023, 11:30:43 PM
I was walking into the Fiserv today to two fans talking about how gas was $1.00 under Trump. It was then that I realized what 4ever meant when he said the Deer District was dangerous. 
Title: Re: Attendance
Post by: Scoop Snoop on February 05, 2023, 07:49:18 AM
I was walking into the Fiserv today to two fans talking about how gas was $1.00 under Trump. It was then that I realized what 4ever meant when he said the Deer District was dangerous.

Surprised you did not figure out what they meant. They were obviously talking about flatulence.
Title: Re: Attendance
Post by: muwarrior69 on February 16, 2023, 07:25:43 AM
What was the attendance last night?
Title: Re: Attendance
Post by: GoFastAndWin on February 16, 2023, 07:31:15 AM
What was the attendance last night?

Box score from espn had it just over 16,000.
Title: Re: Attendance
Post by: BLWarrior91 on February 16, 2023, 07:40:13 AM
Best weeknight crowd this season.  Lets sell out the two training home games which are both Saturdays!
Title: Re: Attendance
Post by: Ellenson Guerrero on February 16, 2023, 07:44:46 AM
Box score from espn had it just over 16,000.

Looked more like 14k to me, which was disappointing.
Title: Re: Attendance
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on February 16, 2023, 07:47:30 AM
Paid Attendance- 16,041
Title: Re: Attendance
Post by: We R Final Four on February 16, 2023, 07:49:49 AM
It was a great crowd….early game on a Wednesday its not going to fill.
Scoopers will bitch about anything.
Title: Re: Attendance
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on February 16, 2023, 07:59:23 AM
It was a great crowd….early game on a Wednesday its not going to fill.
Scoopers will bitch about anything.

Place filled in during the starting lineups which happened about at 6:01. People did pretty well getting to their seat on time.

Energy in the building was outstanding by everyone. Plus, it was clean.
Title: Re: Attendance
Post by: mugrad_89 on February 16, 2023, 08:01:55 AM
Place filled in during the starting lineups which happened about at 6:01. People did pretty well getting to their seat on time.

Energy in the building was outstanding by everyone. Plus, it was clean.

Another thing I hate about games on CBS Sports is that the crowd noise always seems muted.
Title: Re: Attendance
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on February 16, 2023, 08:10:27 AM
Another thing I hate about games on CBS Sports is that the crowd noise always seems muted.
Maybe, I see that on ESPNU boardcast as well. Everything is always louder in person than TV.
Title: Re: Attendance
Post by: JakeBarnes on February 16, 2023, 08:19:23 AM
Best weeknight crowd this season.  Lets sell out the two training home games which are both Saturdays!

I still think they count for a real wins and losses though.
Title: Re: Attendance
Post by: JakeBarnes on February 16, 2023, 08:20:29 AM
Another thing I hate about games on CBS Sports is that the crowd noise always seems muted.

Noticed that too on the rewatch. The FS1 games are usually really good with the crowd noise. Probably because CBSSN wants to ensure they get Gillen yelling "screen and then get it to the big man" for the 100th time.
Title: Re: Attendance
Post by: panda on February 16, 2023, 08:27:34 AM
I’ve poked fun at the quips directed towards the marketing department however I think we all need to recognize truly how remarkable it is that this small university can get almost 17k through the door on a weekday night for a game. When the program is humming, MU is always one of the top in the country in total attendance. Really impressive to see Shaka get things back to where they should be at MU in such quick fashion.
Title: Re: Attendance
Post by: JakeBarnes on February 16, 2023, 08:30:48 AM
I’ve poked fun at the quips directed towards the marketing department however I think we all need to recognize truly how remarkable it is that this small university can get almost 17k through the door on a weekday night for a game. When the program is humming, MU is always one of the top in the country in total attendance. Really impressive to see Shaka get things back to where they should be at MU in such quick fashion.

The fanbase is passionate. People want to be around that energy (unless the dj is too loud) when they are at a game.
Title: Re: Attendance
Post by: Uncle Rico on February 16, 2023, 08:38:38 AM
What was the attendance last night?

There’s no way to know
Title: Re: Attendance
Post by: MUfan12 on February 16, 2023, 08:56:33 AM
Zero complaints about that crowd last night.

Last two home games very close to sellout territory. Giddy up.
Title: Re: Attendance
Post by: 4everwarriors on February 16, 2023, 09:12:19 AM
I’ve poked fun at the quips directed towards the marketing department however I think we all need to recognize truly how remarkable it is that this small university can get almost 17k through the door on a weekday night for a game. When the program is humming, MU is always one of the top in the country in total attendance. Really impressive to see Shaka get things back to where they should be at MU in such quick fashion.




Quite simply, our marketing department is Shaka Smart, hey?
Title: Re: Attendance
Post by: Viper on February 16, 2023, 09:28:11 AM
Shaka had high praise for the crowd on the post-game with Homer and TSmith
Title: Re: Attendance
Post by: Goose on February 16, 2023, 09:47:30 AM
4ever

Shaka is the marketing department. He is bigger than the just being the head coach, he is now the face of Marquette University.
Title: Re: Attendance
Post by: warriorchick on February 16, 2023, 11:09:11 AM
Despite all the bitching on this board, we are certainly a top 5 in attendance in these categories:

1. Teams located in a metro area with an NBA team
2. Attendance as a percentage of undergraduate enrollment
3. Teams playing in arenas that charge $13 for a beer


I think we are doing just fine.
Title: Re: Attendance
Post by: MUfan12 on February 16, 2023, 11:15:25 AM
With that crowd last night, plus two games that are close to sold out, MU should average over 14,000 for the season, despite having to play a game at the Al. Not too shabby.
Title: Re: Attendance
Post by: UWW2MU on February 16, 2023, 11:28:34 AM
Despite all the bitching on this board, we are certainly a top 5 in attendance in these categories:

1. Teams located in a metro area with an NBA team
2. Attendance as a percentage of undergraduate enrollment
3. Teams playing in arenas that charge $13 for a beer


I think we are doing just fine.

$14     ::)


*edit: Plus tip!   If you're into that sort of thing...
Title: Re: Attendance
Post by: MUUWUWM on February 16, 2023, 11:37:59 AM
$16.00
Title: Re: Attendance
Post by: muwarrior69 on February 16, 2023, 11:45:37 AM
4ever

Shaka is the marketing department. He is bigger than the just being the head coach, he is now the face of Marquette University.

Don't tell Lovell that.
Title: Re: Attendance
Post by: cheebs09 on February 16, 2023, 11:59:42 AM
It was great to see Jerel there. He’s been pretty vocal of his support online. I think he’s doing a lot with the Chicago basketball community.
Title: Re: Attendance
Post by: warriorchick on February 16, 2023, 12:03:07 PM
$16.00

Sorry, it's been a couple of years for me.   :'(

Giving up my season tickets is far and away the worst part about being a snowbird.
Title: Re: Attendance
Post by: Uncle Rico on February 16, 2023, 12:05:51 PM
With that crowd last night, plus two games that are close to sold out, MU should average over 14,000 for the season, despite having to play a game at the Al. Not too shabby.

The reports of Marquette’s death have been greatly exaggerated
Title: Re: Attendance
Post by: Newsdreams on February 16, 2023, 05:19:39 PM
Zero complaints about that crowd last night.

Last two home games very close to sellout territory. Giddy up.
NMD was an official sellout
Title: Re: Attendance
Post by: BLWarrior91 on February 16, 2023, 06:38:19 PM
Don't tell Lovell that.

Lovell knows it.  This is why Shaka is the highest paid employee on campus.  They know the value a strong basketball program brings to the university.
Title: Re: Attendance
Post by: Its DJOver on February 23, 2023, 12:17:37 PM
https://twitter.com/MarquetteMBB/status/1628817063736229894?cxt=HHwWjIC-gauf3JotAAAA

Gonna need to find something new to complain about. 
Title: Re: Attendance
Post by: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on February 23, 2023, 12:19:18 PM
https://twitter.com/MarquetteMBB/status/1628817063736229894?cxt=HHwWjIC-gauf3JotAAAA

Gonna need to find something new to complain about. 


You mean besides the voters, the selection committee, the announcers and the referees?
Title: Re: Attendance
Post by: Its DJOver on February 23, 2023, 12:20:09 PM

You mean besides the voters, the selection committee, the announcers and the referees?

That list is way to small.
Title: Re: Attendance
Post by: cheebs09 on February 23, 2023, 12:24:16 PM
That list is way to small.

Are you complaining about the list now?!?
Title: Re: Attendance
Post by: Its DJOver on February 23, 2023, 12:26:28 PM
Are you complaining about the list now?!?

If it'll make the list longer, you bet I am. Need at least a dozen things to rail on at any given time.  Why don't we take more mid-range shots?
Title: Re: Attendance
Post by: tower912 on February 23, 2023, 12:30:52 PM
And why don't we have a decent back up center.    Why couldn't Shaka land one?   ::)
Title: Re: Attendance
Post by: UWW2MU on February 23, 2023, 12:39:06 PM

You mean besides the voters, the selection committee, the announcers and the referees?

I can't believe you left the FF concessions off the list...  it's like all my efforts are wasted here or something!
Title: Re: Attendance
Post by: pbiflyer on February 23, 2023, 12:40:01 PM

You mean besides the voters, the selection committee, the announcers and the referees?

Tickets probably all bought by the sweater vest brigade. Will sit on their hands the entire time.
Title: Re: Attendance
Post by: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on February 23, 2023, 12:44:09 PM
Tickets probably all bought by the sweater vest brigade. Will sit on their hands the entire time.

And wear blue.
Title: Re: Attendance
Post by: panda on February 23, 2023, 01:27:02 PM
https://twitter.com/MarquetteMBB/status/1628817063736229894?cxt=HHwWjIC-gauf3JotAAAA

Gonna need to find something new to complain about.

Finally we have a competent marketing department
Title: Re: Attendance
Post by: Goose on February 23, 2023, 02:18:12 PM
I just checked and there are very few seats for sale for the St. John's game. It looks like they will finish up playing in front of two SRO crowds.
Title: Re: Attendance
Post by: 21Jumpstreet on February 23, 2023, 02:25:08 PM
I just checked and there are very few seats for sale for the St. John's game. It looks like they will finish up playing in front of two SRO crowds.

As you’ve said, winning is the best marketing
Title: Re: Attendance
Post by: YaBlueIt on February 23, 2023, 02:47:42 PM
Shocked to hear there is a sellout... Don't these people know that the Fiserv is located in a big scary city?
Title: Re: Attendance
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on February 23, 2023, 02:51:40 PM
Shocked to hear there is a sellout... Don't these people know that the Fiserv is located in a big scary city?

The DePaul fans are traveling up 94 to The Winnie North.
Title: Re: Attendance
Post by: Spotcheck Billy on February 23, 2023, 03:01:31 PM
Shocked to hear there is a sellout... Don't these people know that the Fiserv is located in a big scary city?

and the beer prices!!
Title: Re: Attendance
Post by: Galway Eagle on February 23, 2023, 03:15:58 PM
and the beer prices!!

A competent marketing team wouldn't advertise those.
Title: Re: Attendance
Post by: muwarrior69 on February 23, 2023, 03:33:43 PM
I just checked and there are very few seats for sale for the St. John's game. It looks like they will finish up playing in front of two SRO crowds.

Is there a Senior day this year?
Title: Re: Attendance
Post by: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on February 23, 2023, 03:40:00 PM
Is there a Senior day this year?

For a walk on Michael Kennedy.
Title: Re: Attendance
Post by: muwarrior69 on February 23, 2023, 04:55:44 PM
For a walk on Michael Kennedy.

I hope he gets to play.
Title: Re: Attendance
Post by: We R Final Four on February 23, 2023, 05:17:32 PM
For a walk on Michael Kennedy.
And Zach Wrightsil
Title: Re: Attendance
Post by: Not A Serious Person on February 23, 2023, 06:07:23 PM
When was the last time the DePaul game was a sell out
Title: Re: Attendance
Post by: Johnny B on February 23, 2023, 06:20:30 PM
I don’t recall the last sell out that wasn’t a weekend senior day game, NMD, or a badger game. Nice
Title: Re: Attendance
Post by: pbiflyer on February 23, 2023, 07:31:33 PM
When was the last time the DePaul game was a sell out
At DePaul when it was mostly Marquette fans.
Title: Re: Attendance
Post by: Galway Eagle on February 23, 2023, 10:31:51 PM
I don’t recall the last sell out that wasn’t a weekend senior day game, NMD, or a badger game. Nice

We used to sell out Notre Dame every year and usually at least 1 more ranked  game
Title: Re: Attendance
Post by: Newsdreams on February 24, 2023, 12:58:36 PM
and the beer prices!!
Bathroom lines!!
Title: Re: Attendance
Post by: CountryRoads on February 24, 2023, 01:49:54 PM
Tickets probably all bought by the sweater vest brigade. Will sit on their hands the entire time.

Except for the first 4 minutes of the second half when nobody is back in their seat.
Title: Re: Attendance
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on February 24, 2023, 01:58:29 PM
Except for the first 4 minutes of the second half when nobody is back in their seat.

Things have been much better with that since the Bradley Center.