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Title: Last 12
Post by: Milkshakes on January 15, 2023, 09:29:26 PM
10 and 2?
Title: Re: Last 12
Post by: Newsdreams on January 15, 2023, 09:37:20 PM
10 and 2?
0-12 COLE
Title: Re: Last 12
Post by: GoldenEagles03 on January 15, 2023, 10:16:30 PM
10 and 2?

Haha no way.

8 and 4 would be really nice.

That'd put them at 22-9, 14-6 and probably a 5 seed.
Title: Re: Last 12
Post by: muwarrior69 on January 16, 2023, 04:55:37 AM
I would like to see us win the BET for once.
Title: Re: Last 12
Post by: brewcity77 on January 16, 2023, 06:37:45 AM
10 and 2?

I'd go 10-2. I think we win one we aren't supposed to win (at UConn, at Creighton) but also lose one we aren't supposed to lose (at Seton Hall or Butler, possibly X at home seem most likely). 16-4 and share the Big East title with Xavier.
Title: Re: Last 12
Post by: 🏀 on January 16, 2023, 06:42:56 AM
9-3

@UConn
@DePaul
@Creighton
Title: Re: Last 12
Post by: CTWarrior on January 16, 2023, 07:38:40 AM
9 - 3

At UConn
At Creighton
some other random bad night
Title: Re: Last 12
Post by: We R Final Four on January 16, 2023, 08:23:09 AM
I'd go 10-2. I think we win one we aren't supposed to win (at UConn, at Creighton) but also lose one we aren't supposed to lose (at Seton Hall or Butler, possibly X at home seem most likely). 16-4 and share the Big East title with Xavier.
You think we will be favored (ie not supposed to lose) to X at home?
Title: Re: Last 12
Post by: Goose on January 16, 2023, 08:25:45 AM
I think they need to get 8 as fast as they can and go from there. They need to win a minimum of 8 more and the sooner it happens the better it is for seeding in March.
Title: Re: Last 12
Post by: tower912 on January 16, 2023, 08:35:59 AM
I need to be shown.     I am worried about fatigue, hitting the wall, and injuries.   Even more, in the Xavier game, I saw the template I have been expecting all year.   Packing it in, taking away driving angles, sending three to the offensive boards.   These were among the things done last February after MU's magical January.   
Which teams have the personnel to  replicate this?

Last year, teams took away the lobs to Kur and Oso and dared Kolek to score.    MU ran more iso with Morsell and Justin.   The ball movement slowed.     This year, there isn't anyone to run iso for.   Will the ball movement be sustainable?   Will the team start settling for one-pass 3's?

The three point shooters went cold last year.   Will MU get enough from the bench to keep the starters from wearing down?

I enjoy this team immensely.    I think they have been superb.    I need to see that they have enough to make the adjustments and endure the grind.

8-4, mostly because I am not impressed by the bottom of the league. 
Title: Re: Last 12
Post by: MU82 on January 16, 2023, 08:48:19 AM
What I don't get is that Sean Miller obviously had seen Marquette numerous times and has people on his staff whose job it is to break down video. So kudos for him for his halftime adjustments ... but it seems odd that he wouldn't have been prepared for what Marquette did in the first half.

So what's the right strategy? Daring Kolek to score -- which he did at will in the first half -- or taking away Kolek scoring at the risk of leaving Kam Jones open? Kam hits a couple more 3s, and we're patting ourselves on the back for our heroes' gritty road win. Indeed, excellent 3-point shooting in the second half of several games propelled us to quite a few wins this season, including UConn. We didn't even need excellent 3-point shooting yesterday, just not bad shooting. We couldn't hit a freakin' shot, and yet we lost by only 4 points on the road against a soon-to-be top-10 team.

I predicted a 92-85 MU win. We were on track at halftime, up 48-44. We make 3 or 4 wide-open 3s in the second half instead of 1 and O-Max makes that layup, we're pretty close. Now, that didn't happen and I'm not trying to re-write history. I'm just stating why I'm not too concerned about the opponents' strategy against us. The games are still winnable no matter what their plans are.
Title: Re: Last 12
Post by: leever on January 16, 2023, 08:55:16 AM
I would like to see us win the BET for once.
I would like to see us win A GAME in the BET for once
Title: Re: Last 12
Post by: mugrad_89 on January 16, 2023, 09:00:56 AM
I would like to see us win A GAME in the BET for once

Amen - the Friday nite semis of the Big East tournament is one of the best nites of college basketball and I want Marquette to finally be in one of those games.
Title: Re: Last 12
Post by: MUfan12 on January 16, 2023, 09:10:04 AM
I think Tower's concerns are legitimate, but I think between a weaker BE, guys getting experience, and the way the offense is being executed my hope is that this is more sustainable than last year. They're not riding a hot streak from three, or a fifth year guard scoring at a level he never had before in the college game.

Even with the adjustments MU still got a bunch of easy buckets in the second half, it was the 1-12 from three that did them in.

It sounds crazy but I really think if they win the next two games they are the favorite to win the conference. Two more physical games to round out 4 in 10 days, then a much needed week off. Survive these two, get rested, and refocus for the stretch run.
Title: Re: Last 12
Post by: Mu8891 on January 16, 2023, 09:11:07 AM
I’d say 9 - 3 or 8 - 4 …

But, yes …. We will know that we have really “ changed “ when MU wins a
BET game AND NCAAT game !
( both of which are needed ) #pray
Title: Re: Last 12
Post by: Elonsmusk on January 16, 2023, 09:13:52 AM
I need to be shown.     I am worried about fatigue, hitting the wall, and injuries.   Even more, in the Xavier game, I saw the template I have been expecting all year.   Packing it in, taking away driving angles, sending three to the offensive boards.   These were among the things done last February after MU's magical January.   
Which teams have the personnel to  replicate this?

Last year, teams took away the lobs to Kur and Oso and dared Kolek to score.    MU ran more iso with Morsell and Justin.   The ball movement slowed.     This year, there isn't anyone to run iso for.   Will the ball movement be sustainable?   Will the team start settling for one-pass 3's?

The three point shooters went cold last year.   Will MU get enough from the bench to keep the starters from wearing down?

I enjoy this team immensely.    I think they have been superb.    I need to see that they have enough to make the adjustments and endure the grind.

8-4, mostly because I am not impressed by the bottom of the league.

Spending too much time on Dodds board?  8-)  I think you are overstating the impact of Sean Miller's adjustments yesterday.  The below take is more on point, and I would add that the ball largely bounced Xavier's way yesterday.

What I don't get is that Sean Miller obviously had seen Marquette numerous times and has people on his staff whose job it is to break down video. So kudos for him for his halftime adjustments ... but it seems odd that he wouldn't have been prepared for what Marquette did in the first half.

So what's the right strategy? Daring Kolek to score -- which he did at will in the first half -- or taking away Kolek scoring at the risk of leaving Kam Jones open? Kam hits a couple more 3s, and we're patting ourselves on the back for our heroes' gritty road win. Indeed, excellent 3-point shooting in the second half of several games propelled us to quite a few wins this season, including UConn. We didn't even need excellent 3-point shooting yesterday, just not bad shooting. We couldn't hit a freakin' shot, and yet we lost by only 4 points on the road against a soon-to-be top-10 team.

I predicted a 92-85 MU win. We were on track at halftime, up 48-44. We make 3 or 4 wide-open 3s in the second half instead of 1 and O-Max makes that layup, we're pretty close. Now, that didn't happen and I'm not trying to re-write history. I'm just stating why I'm not too concerned about the opponents' strategy against us. The games are still winnable no matter what their plans are.
Title: Re: Last 12
Post by: brewcity77 on January 16, 2023, 09:25:32 AM
You think we will be favored (ie not supposed to lose) to X at home?

Without question. There isn't a team in the Big East that would be favored on our court right now.
Title: Re: Last 12
Post by: tower912 on January 16, 2023, 09:32:28 AM
Spending too much time on Dodds board?  8-)  I think you are overstating the impact of Sean Miller's adjustments yesterday.  The below take is more on point, and I would add that the ball largely bounced Xavier's way yesterday.

I try to get multiple perspectives on most things.  I ponder it and disregard what I consider crap.    Bottom line for me is that MU lost a road game to a ranked team.   It was a slugfest tied in the last minute and X made the shot they needed to plus their free throws.     Good team, exciting game.
Rooting for a bounce back on  Wednesday.
Title: Re: Last 12
Post by: muwarrior69 on January 16, 2023, 09:44:24 AM
I try to get multiple perspectives on most things.  I ponder it and disregard what I consider crap.    Bottom line for me is that MU lost a road game to a ranked team.   It was a slugfest tied in the last minute and X made the shot they needed to plus their free throws.     Good team, exciting game.
Rooting for a bounce back on  Wednesday.

After our loss to PC at PC last season the team went into a tail spin. We will see what were made of on Wednesday. Let's hope the zebras call the same game they did at PC only this time in our favor.
Title: Re: Last 12
Post by: mileskishnish72 on January 16, 2023, 09:51:18 AM
10 - 2 seems doable. So probably 9 - 3 is more realistic because that just seems to be the way things go. At UConn, at Creighton, and some deplorable group screwup.
Title: Re: Last 12
Post by: GoldenEagles03 on January 16, 2023, 09:52:13 AM
I’d say 9 - 3 or 8 - 4 …

But, yes …. We will know that we have really “ changed “ when MU wins a
BET game AND NCAAT game !
( both of which are needed ) #pray

I'd love to go 10-2 or 9-3 but that's pretty outrageous to ask for.

They have to play at Creighton and at UConn.  They have Xavier and Providence yet at home.  They'll probably drop a game or 2 that is a real head scratcher.  Every team does.

Even the 3 amigos in 08-09 lost at South Florida who was in last place.  They did that while they were 21-2.

8-4 would be solid. Anything higher is laughably good.
Title: Re: Last 12
Post by: JakeBarnes on January 16, 2023, 09:55:18 AM
10-2.

I think they win 2 this week. Then there are 3 straight home games against middle to bottom teams (DePaul will be a home game--lots of nice seats available still for that game, so make it so). @Uconn and @creighton are the two I think might be the losses for me. But see a pathway for those to be wins too. Still think we take X at home.
Title: Re: Last 12
Post by: Miss Katie’s on January 16, 2023, 09:56:06 AM
Amen - the Friday nite semis of the Big East tournament is one of the best nites of college basketball and I want Marquette to finally be in one of those games.

That ridiculous game vs Seton Hall was in the 2019 semis. Let’s hope our next Friday night appearance goes nothing like that one!
Title: Re: Last 12
Post by: Ellenson Guerrero on January 16, 2023, 10:03:58 AM
I would like to see us win A GAME in the BET for once

It feels like decades since we won a BET game.
Title: Re: Last 12
Post by: mugrad_89 on January 16, 2023, 10:06:33 AM
That ridiculous game vs Seton Hall was in the 2019 semis. Let’s hope our next Friday night appearance goes nothing like that one!

Good catch - I must’ve blocked that travesty from my memory.  😊

Unfortunately, that appearance in the semis has been the exception rather than the norm.
Title: Re: Last 12
Post by: Miss Katie’s on January 16, 2023, 10:09:19 AM
Good catch - I must’ve blocked that travesty from my memory.  😊

Unfortunately, that appearance in the semis has been the exception rather than the norm.

Definitely the exception unfortunately.  Let’s fix that this year as you said!

And that 2019 travesty is best forgotten lol 😂
Title: Re: Last 12
Post by: MU90620 on January 16, 2023, 10:20:19 AM
What I don't get is that Sean Miller obviously had seen Marquette numerous times and has people on his staff whose job it is to break down video. So kudos for him for his halftime adjustments ... but it seems odd that he wouldn't have been prepared for what Marquette did in the first half.

So what's the right strategy? Daring Kolek to score -- which he did at will in the first half -- or taking away Kolek scoring at the risk of leaving Kam Jones open? Kam hits a couple more 3s, and we're patting ourselves on the back for our heroes' gritty road win. Indeed, excellent 3-point shooting in the second half of several games propelled us to quite a few wins this season, including UConn. We didn't even need excellent 3-point shooting yesterday, just not bad shooting. We couldn't hit a freakin' shot, and yet we lost by only 4 points on the road against a soon-to-be top-10 team.

I predicted a 92-85 MU win. We were on track at halftime, up 48-44. We make 3 or 4 wide-open 3s in the second half instead of 1 and O-Max makes that layup, we're pretty close. Now, that didn't happen and I'm not trying to re-write history. I'm just stating why I'm not too concerned about the opponents' strategy against us. The games are still winnable no matter what their plans are.

I agree with this. I personally think Miller’s halftime adjustments are being a little overblown. His plan based on film, like everyone else’s, was to turn Kolek into a scorer not a distributor. Well, Kolek torpedoed that plan.

His adjustment was to go back to playing straight up. In my personal opinion, it was only successful because we missed shots we normally make. I honestly believe Xavier was fortunate yesterday. If we shot like that in the second half of our last 4 games we most likely would have gone 1-3 in that stretch instead of 4-0.
Title: Re: Last 12
Post by: jfp61 on January 16, 2023, 10:40:55 AM
I agree with this. I personally think Miller’s halftime adjustments are being a little overblown. His plan based on film, like everyone else’s, was to turn Kolek into a scorer not a distributor. Well, Kolek torpedoed that plan.

His adjustment was to go back to playing straight up. In my personal opinion, it was only successful because we missed shots we normally make. I honestly believe Xavier was fortunate yesterday. If we shot like that in the second half of our last 4 games we most likely would have gone 1-3 in that stretch instead of 4-0.

Yep. Xavier went back to playing normal Marquette shot 1-12 from three. End of story. 11-31 from the field. MU's D was fine too that half, 12-30 from the field only for X, just happened to go 3-9 from three. MU even got more O boards than them.
Title: Re: Last 12
Post by: BLWarrior91 on January 16, 2023, 11:53:28 AM
Agreed.  We make just one of those open threes and O-Max makes that layup and we win.

Kam got going too early.  He went ice cold in the second half.
Title: Re: Last 12
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on January 16, 2023, 03:02:23 PM
If you go game by game as of today we will be favored in 10 of the 12 remaining games. I think we will drop a game we shouldn't (traditionally its @DPL) and end up 9-3
Title: Re: Last 12
Post by: Daniel on January 16, 2023, 03:57:01 PM
Agreed.  We make just one of those open threes and O-Max makes that layup and we win.

Kam got going too early.  He went ice cold in the second half.

The good thing is Shaka’s offensive system is getting our shooters lots of open looks. So, we need the shooters to make those shots and against X we did not down the stretch. 
Title: Re: Last 12
Post by: Goose on January 16, 2023, 04:01:47 PM
IMO, MU is much better team than the bottom half of the BE. It would take a very poor
performance to have more than one mishap against those teams. I think they probably win 4-5 out of 10 against X, UConn and Creighton which is a big uptick over last season.

If I had to bet money, my pick is 9-3 the rest of the way. If I had to pick over/under 9, reluctantly would pass or go under.
Title: Re: Last 12
Post by: Uncle Rico on January 16, 2023, 05:41:09 PM
12-0 or I think that puts Shaka on the hot seat
Title: Re: Last 12
Post by: We R Final Four on January 16, 2023, 06:14:04 PM
Without question. There isn't a team in the Big East that would be favored on our court right now.
If X comes into the Fiserv with 0 or 1 losses in conference……..we will be favored? Without question?
Title: Re: Last 12
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on January 16, 2023, 06:14:57 PM
If X comes into the Fiserv with 0 or 1 losses in conference……..we will be favored? Without question?

Yes unless we drop off between now and then
Title: Re: Last 12
Post by: We R Final Four on January 16, 2023, 06:20:39 PM
Yes unless we drop off between now and then
Thanks….was asking brew since he made the statement.

Yeah….thats a big unless. Its easy to say we will be favored unless we aren’t. You can define “drop off” in several ways.
If we are in 4th or 5th place….and X is in first….I dont think we will be favored at home.
Title: Re: Last 12
Post by: MU82 on January 16, 2023, 06:23:13 PM
12-0 or I think that puts Shaka on the hot seat

I'm guessing his ride has heated seats. Maybe even a heated steering wheel.
Title: Re: Last 12
Post by: Uncle Rico on January 16, 2023, 06:23:33 PM
I'm guessing his ride has heated seats. Maybe even a heated steering wheel.

Surprised it hasn’t been stolen
Title: Re: Last 12
Post by: MU82 on January 16, 2023, 06:31:31 PM
Surprised it hasn’t been stolen

Maybe it was. Does he drive a Telluride?
Title: Re: Last 12
Post by: We R Final Four on January 16, 2023, 06:37:33 PM
Maybe it was. Does he drive a Telluride?
Haha—check the scanner!
Title: Re: Last 12
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on January 16, 2023, 07:08:01 PM
Thanks….was asking brew since he made the statement.

Yeah….thats a big unless. Its easy to say we will be favored unless we aren’t. You can define “drop off” in several ways.
If we are in 4th or 5th place….and X is in first….I dont think we will be favored at home.

Lines are pretty much set by KenPom these days. We are above X in KenPom. Drop-off is defined as falling about 30 spots in KenPom between now and then.

To give context, X is currently a 1 point favorite against #55 Seton Hall. Marquette is currently #12.
Title: Re: Last 12
Post by: wisblue on January 16, 2023, 11:01:21 PM
I’m thinking 8-4 the rest of the way would be good, mainly because I expect a young team to wear down some during the long season. Hopefully there won’t be a collapse similar to last year or some other years in recent MU history.
Title: Re: Last 12
Post by: PointWarrior on January 16, 2023, 11:12:44 PM
8-4 -is the floor..   Anything less and the Marquette Feb collapse is alive...
Title: Re: Last 12
Post by: Shooter McGavin on January 17, 2023, 01:00:16 AM
9-3

@UConn
@DePaul
@Creighton

At DePaul huh?  God I hope not.  I’m not saying that is a cake walk but it definitely should be an expected win.  I suppose that’s why they play the games.  DePaul got us last year there.  I was court side for it.  It was an ugly game.
Title: Re: Last 12
Post by: brewcity77 on January 17, 2023, 05:14:21 AM
If X comes into the Fiserv with 0 or 1 losses in conference……..we will be favored? Without question?

As I said, there isn't a team in the Big East that would be favored on our court right now.

Until the next Xavier game, we are favored in 6/7. If we go 4-3 or better, I think we'll still be favored. In that same span, X is expected to go 5-2. If we go 2-5 and they go 7-0, or if we have a major injury, that could change. But we're currently favored in every home game, so when I say "lose one we aren't supposed to lose" the next X game qualifies.
Title: Re: Last 12
Post by: wisblue on January 17, 2023, 09:11:52 AM
8-4 -is the floor..   Anything less and the Marquette Feb collapse is alive...

8-4 is the Pomeroy projection, so I see it as more of a median than a floor.

 Past experience should teach us  that, over the course of a 4 month college basketball season, teams (not just MU) will likely go through some ups and downs. Some of those road games against teams in the bottom half of the league are going to be tougher than they look on paper.
Title: Re: Last 12
Post by: JakeBarnes on January 17, 2023, 09:51:15 AM
At DePaul huh?  God I hope not.  I’m not saying that is a cake walk but it definitely should be an expected win.  I suppose that’s why they play the games.  DePaul got us last year there.  I was court side for it.  It was an ugly game.

It sucked. Expecting better results this go-around. See you there on the 28th?
Title: Re: Last 12
Post by: GoldenEagles03 on January 17, 2023, 09:53:48 AM
8-4 is the Pomeroy projection, so I see it as more of a median than a floor.

 Past experience should teach us  that, over the course of a 4 month college basketball season, teams (not just MU) will likely go through some ups and downs. Some of those road games against teams in the bottom half of the league are going to be tougher than they look on paper.

Yup.  I'd be surprised if Marquette didn't lose a head scratcher at some point, typically every team does.  But then again I've been surprised by this whole season, so who knows.
Title: Re: Last 12
Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on January 17, 2023, 10:02:28 AM
10-2.

I think they win 2 this week. Then there are 3 straight home games against middle to bottom teams (DePaul will be a home game--lots of nice seats available still for that game, so make it so). @Uconn and @creighton are the two I think might be the losses for me. But see a pathway for those to be wins too. Still think we take X at home.

I've seen this movie before.

With how they're playing right now, hard to see them doing worse than 8-4 with @UCONN, @CRE,  v. X  the most likely with another loss sprinkled in elsewhere.  22-9 heading into the BET playing solely for seeding, and perhaps finally making some noise in NYC, would be awful nice.
Title: Re: Last 12
Post by: Scoop Snoop on January 17, 2023, 10:05:54 AM
Yup.  I'd be surprised if Marquette didn't lose a head scratcher at some point, typically every team does.  But then again I've been surprised by this whole season, so who knows.

If it's Georgetown in DC, a game that I will be at, you will find my name on the front page of the Washington Post with the heading "Marquette fan taken into custody and undergoing psychiatric evaluation after totally freaking out at the Capitol One Center."
Title: Re: Last 12
Post by: MU82 on January 17, 2023, 10:09:36 AM
If it's Georgetown in DC, a game that I will be at, you will find my name on the front page of the Washington Post with the heading "Marquette fan taken into custody and undergoing psychiatric evaluation after totally freaking out at the Capitol One Center."

I've gone to that game a couple times when GT actually still mattered, and it was a good atmosphere. I'd love to go this season but that Feb. 11 date is probably a no-go for me because of other stuff on my calendar. Too bad ... I'm sure there will be a few good seats available!
Title: Re: Last 12
Post by: Shooter McGavin on January 17, 2023, 10:12:57 AM
It sucked. Expecting better results this go-around. See you there on the 28th?

I’ll be there with the family.  Should be fun!  Hope MU fans fill that place up.
Title: Re: Last 12
Post by: muwarrior69 on January 17, 2023, 10:37:57 AM
I would no be surprised that the Seton Hall game will be a tough out.
Title: Re: Last 12
Post by: MUfan12 on January 17, 2023, 10:43:25 AM
I would no be surprised that the Seton Hall game will be a tough out.

Same. As I said earlier, this stretch of 4 in 10 days is brutal. I can see them running out of gas a bit on Saturday.
Title: Re: Last 12
Post by: Newsdreams on January 17, 2023, 12:09:02 PM
Same. As I said earlier, this stretch of 4 in 10 days is brutal. I can see them running out of gas a bit on Saturday.
So young team gets tired legs? Don't invoice me Legs
Title: Re: Last 12
Post by: GoldenEagles03 on January 17, 2023, 12:42:38 PM
Seems important down the stretch.

https://twitter.com/jgtrends/status/1615366206130716676?t=B2I0zVovpyhx0X-P6msl8Q&s=19
Title: Re: Last 12
Post by: brewcity77 on January 17, 2023, 09:45:58 PM
I would no be surprised that the Seton Hall game will be a tough out.

Of all the games we should win that we might lose, that's the one with red flashing lights screaming "Danger Will Robinson" at me.
Title: Re: Last 12
Post by: pbiflyer on January 17, 2023, 10:08:00 PM
Surprised it hasn’t been stolen
He hasn’t been near a dentist.
Title: Re: Last 12
Post by: Goose on February 08, 2023, 08:14:37 AM
Not much has changed, IMO.