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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: tower912 on December 20, 2022, 08:52:48 PM
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1. Of course Bynum goes off
2. Hopkins a 20/20 machine. Many of us were worried about the Friar physicality. He embodies it.
3. The good and the bad of Joplin tonight. Circus shots. Defensive breakdowns.
4. Omax struggled with the physicality tonight. He has to learn and get better. And quit falling down when he misses lay ups.
5. Kolek scored, did not distribute. Uncharacteristic turnovers, especially down the stretch. Ridiculous in OT until he fouled out.
6. Just like against Seton Hall, Providence got back in by pounding it down low.
7. Guarantee that Sean was supposed to pass that and not shoot. But hey, everybody wanted something different after the badger game.
8. Crunch time free throws......
9. I like the zone. I would like it more if MU rebounded better out of it.
10. Was it being on the road or the close game that made MU play so tight down the stretch in regulation?
11. Once again, there for the taking.
12. Great comeback.
13. Foul outs in OT2 too much to overcome. But not by much. There is a lot of talent on the bench.
14. Of course it was a failed box out leading to an offensive rebound off a missed free throw that was the dagger.
13. Nothing to do but get better, not bitter.
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Still pissed away game they should have won, bad loss
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Bad play by Marquette down the stretch in regulation, but officiating was ultimately the difference.
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I don't recall the last time that I saw a free-throw disparity like that.
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They should have won this game. Wake up call to what it takes to win on the road in the Big East. Still proud that the guys fought back when the chips were down in the first OT. Glad to see that fight.
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I hope Carter gets reamed in the locker room by Cooley l. The Gritty dribble out was classless.
Their offense is predicated on flailing. Not sure how you defend that?
Providence moving into my list of most hated Big East team, even with Cooley at the helm.
Providence shot 22 free throws in the time I wrote this.
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50 FTs for Providence. Lololololol.
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Brutal end of regulation, brutal brain lapses. Get the next one.
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First game I thought we got the shaft by the refs.
Started and ended slow (in regulation). Defensive rebounding was an issue.
Providence is tough. The Big East is going to be a grind. We’re good enough to win most games, but not good enough to turn it over a bunch plus give up offensive rebounds and expect to win.
Providence definitely has a pro on their team. Marquette has guys who could develop into one, but nobody sure fire.
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The only thing that would have made that worse is if I would've watched it at the Mecca Sports Bar.
Hello.
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It was a bold strategy to wildly charge the lane 1 on 3 ten times in a row down the stretch in regulation. Can't believe it didn't work.
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We had it and pissed it away, no doubt. 76-68 I believe? Bummer.
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It was a bold strategy to wildly charge the lane 1 on 3 ten times in a row down the stretch in regulation. Can't believe it didn't work.
I can
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It was a bold strategy to wildly charge the lane 1 on 3 ten times in a row down the stretch in regulation. Can't believe it didn't work.
Well tbf, it worked for Hopkins and Providence…
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I say this mainly because my expectations have been raised, but that’s a brutal loss.
I get that Dunk stuff happens at the Dunk, but to me the turning point was with about 3 minutes left, MU was up 7 or 9 with the ball, Kolek and Jones passed back and forth for 25 seconds, and Jones chucked a wild unmakeable 3 as the shot clock expired. Just a terrible possession, as were many MU offensive trips the final four minutes. Great teams close strong, disappointing tonight.
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Tough, disappointing loss. Really, not much more to add.
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Bad play by Marquette down the stretch in regulation, but officiating was ultimately the difference.
Dodds, is that you?
Maybe getting outrebounded by20 and going scoreless for 6 minutes in crunch time had something to do with it.
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It was a bold strategy to wildly charge the lane 1 on 3 ten times in a row down the stretch in regulation. Can't believe it didn't work.
That is literally what we did all game and it worked out okay. Young guys just got the jitters toward the end.
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I guess you live with the bad Kolek when he goes off.
I guess you love with what Joplin can do, but know he who he is right now.
Omax limited.
Oso disappeared.
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Number 10: they've been like that in every close game, home and away. gotta figure it out and do so quickly or they are NIT bound
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Should have won the game but anyone being inherently negative about that performance should eat a stocking full of turds, look in the mirror, eat another stocking of turds and feel very bad about yourself.
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Great effort on the road. Kolek was an Alpha. Driscoll and Crewe brought their home whistles. That said, this coaching staff needs to get a LOT better on situationals. Holding three time outs on the road during a scoring drought is inexcusable.
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Shaka ball - All fun and games against inferior teams, all pee down the leg in close games.
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Shaka ball - All fun and games against inferior teams, all pee down the leg in close games.
Baylor says hello
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Needed a transfer big last off-season and it’ll be a need this off-season. Dominated on the boards once again.
Can’t close out a game, again.
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Baylor says hello
”close game”
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Bad play by Marquette down the stretch in regulation, but officiating was ultimately the difference.
Yes, ultimately you can say the execution wasn’t there but when we outplayed them for the majority of the game and get this kind of whistle it’s hard not to complain.
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I thought Shaka kept too many timeouts in his pocket at the end of regulation. Could have used a couple to do something different on offense.
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Have ourselves to blame for the putridly inept offense down the stetch of regulation. LIke why they flat out stopped doing what worked flawlessly for 34 minutes is beyond me. Just brutal.
But there should be a loss of official jobs tonight. That was one of the biggest inside jobs I have seen in the sport. The exact moment it turned was clear. And it was after the announcers mentioned Cooley working the refs 3 times.
Horrendous.
But still should have closed it out.
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Again refs were fine. Big, physical team versus long and lean one. This is what happens.
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I appreciate how hard they played and the OT comeback from 88-80, but we just handed them this game in regulation. At some point we need to follow a big win with another big win. It is certainly no shame to lose in 2 OT at Providence, but it doesn't change the fact that we have lost a very winnable game again in crunch time. So frustrating.
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Also absolutely no idea why we didnt call time outs.
There was probably 10 minutes left and I thought to myself "Huge, providence is down to 1 TO already and we got like 3."
Then we just never used them.
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Should have won the game but anyone being inherently negative about that performance should eat a stocking full of turds, look in the mirror, eat another stocking of turds and feel very bad about yourself.
Really? So we should feel positive? Just how low of any kind of expectation do you have? If you want to make the tourney you have to start pulling out some of these close ones. We have to get the monkey off the back and this was there for the taking. very disappointing.
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I thought Shaka kept too many timeouts in his pocket at the end of regulation. Could have used a couple to do something different on offense.
Yes.
Kept 3 even though possession after possession after possession looked extremely discombobulated offensively and the fellas looked lost out there.
Close games might be an Achilles heel, that Shaka needs to quickly heal
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Again refs were fine. Big, physical team versus long and lean one. This is what happens.
Driscoll has been terrible his entire career, not just in MU games.
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So one good win against a shell-shocked team playing on the road for the first time?
Baylor says hello
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Again refs were fine. Big, physical team versus long and lean one. This is what happens.
The refs were not fine. A foul is a foul no matter how much muscle someone has.
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Hopkins 0 fouls.
HAHAHAHAHAHA
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Shaka ball - All fun and games against inferior teams, all pee down the leg in close games.
Are you this dumb? Serious question.
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Also absolutely no idea why we didnt call time outs.
There was probably 10 minutes left and I thought to myself "Huge, providence is down to 1 TO already and we got like 3."
Then we just never used them.
I agree. When your team is struggling, it seems the coach should formulate a new strategy instead of letting the team continue to flounder.
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At some point this team needs to learn that you can never let off the gas, never play not to make a mistake. The possession up 5 five 3 minutes left when Kam launched a desperate three at the buzzer was horrendous.
I am very glad the boys fought back in OT, but if they take care of business in regulation we’re 2-0.
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So one good win against a shell-shocked team playing on the road for the first time?
You can’t pick and choose which games you choose to have in your selective memory.
Marquette obviously came out with a much better game plan than Baylor did that game.
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Name a game against a quality team they did not pee down their leg at crunch time this year?
Are you this dumb? Serious question.
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Really? So we should feel positive? Just how low of any kind of expectation do you have? If you want to make the tourney you have to start pulling out some of these close ones. We have to get the monkey off the back and this was there for the taking. very disappointing.
Where did I say we should feel positive, Biff?
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Also absolutely no idea why we didnt call time outs.
There was probably 10 minutes left and I thought to myself "Huge, providence is down to 1 TO already and we got like 3."
Then we just never used them.
Yup, there were a lot of TV timeouts and review time outs it seemed, but we needed one somewhere in the final 3 minutes of regulation. I guess Shaka was saving them in case we need to stop clock at the end of the game.
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Again refs were fine. Big, physical team versus long and lean one. This is what happens.
Who took more threes and got outscored in the paint.
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The refs were not fine. A foul is a foul no matter how much muscle someone has.
Agreed.
Not sure how that applies here but I agree.
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Name a game against a quality team they did not pee down their leg at crunch time this year?
“All fun and games against inferior teams”.
See Baylor, genius.
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At some point this team needs to learn that you can never let off the gas, never play not to make a mistake. The possession up 5 five 3 minutes left when Kam launched a desperate three at the buzzer was horrendous.
I am very glad the boys fought back in OT, but if they take care of business in regulation we’re 2-0.
Correction.
Kolek fought back in OT.
The boys were pretty lifeless for about 10 mins at the end of regulation and first OT combined, but TyKo had other thoughts in the first extra frame.
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Well, the team played hard.
Just not well enough to win.
We get Providence again.
Hopefully we even the series.
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Getting calls from friends that say Marquette vs Purdue, Miss St, Wisconsin, and now Providence look like Wojo teams.
Name a game against a quality team they did not pee down their leg at crunch time this year?
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Who took more threes and got outscored in the paint.
No idea. But PC got a bunch of offensive rebounds and scored on the line.
FTR matters.
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Getting calls from friends that say Marquette vs Purdue, Miss St, Wisconsin, and now Providence look like Wojo teams.
Get smarter friends.
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Correction.
Kolek fought back in OT.
The boys were pretty lifeless for about 10 mins at the end of regulation and first OT combined, but TyKo had other thoughts in the first extra frame.
Kolek had his ups and then downs and then ups. Wish they would have won, but oh well.
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Getting calls from friends that say Marquette vs Purdue, Miss St, Wisconsin, and now Providence look like Wojo teams.
Don't tell ners.
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Getting calls from friends that say Marquette vs Purdue, Miss St, Wisconsin, and now Providence look like Wojo teams.
This is 100% a fictional statement. No way a person, let alone multiple, people have called to say this.
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Kolek had his ups and then downs and then ups. Wish they would have won, but oh well.
Correction.
Kolek fought back in OT.
The boys were pretty lifeless for about 10 mins at the end of regulation and first OT combined, but TyKo had other thoughts in the first extra frame.
The 5th foul on Kolek in double OT was the back breaker.
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Actual number is 3.
This is 100% a fictional statement. No way a person, let alone multiple, people have called to say this.
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It was interesting they put in Stevie Mitchell vs Sean Jones when Kolek fouled out.
I guess Shaka was thinking defense versus point guard.
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Shaka should ditch the deflections board for a missed 2 footers board.
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I appreciate how hard they played and the OT comeback from 88-80, but we just handed them this game in regulation. At some point we need to follow a big win with another big win. It is certainly no shame to lose in 2 OT at Providence, but it doesn't change the fact that we have lost a very winnable game again in crunch time. So frustrating.
I’m right there with you.
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Again refs were fine. Big, physical team versus long and lean one. This is what happens.
Consistency is realistic to ask for, tonight wasn’t it.
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At some point this team needs to learn that you can never let off the gas, never play not to make a mistake. The possession up 5 five 3 minutes left when Kam launched a desperate three at the buzzer was horrendous.
I am very glad the boys fought back in OT, but if they take care of business in regulation we’re 2-0.
Love Shaka but foot off gas is either what Shaka wanted or else he doesn't save timeouts like they're worth points, and still wonder why Sean took the 3 pt shot at end of regulation or was that a bust play again. Shaka is a great experienced coach, this shouldn't happen.
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Actual number is 3.
Sam, Joey, Dave?
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Consistency is realistic to ask for, tonight wasn’t it.
I thought they were consistent. Missed a few on both ends. Largely fine.
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It was interesting they put in Stevie Mitchell vs Sean Jones when Kolek fouled out.
I guess Shaka was thinking defense versus point guard.
Sean is tenacious but he is small.
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Should have won the game but anyone being inherently negative about that performance should eat a stocking full of turds, look in the mirror, eat another stocking of turds and feel very bad about yourself.
Why can’t people criticize a team they root for without you jumping in and acting like they just kicked your dog? We shouldn’t be negative about losing a game we were up 8 with 6:30 left and scored 2 points the rest of regulation? Giving up a 20-4 run between the end of regulation and overtime?
We’ve shown an inability to close out teams in close games. We’re bound to be a bubble team. Closing out games is very, very concerning.
It’s okay to have some negativity.
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Love Shaka but foot off gas is either what Shaka wanted or else he doesn't save timeouts like they're worth points and still wonder why Sean took the 3 pt shot at end of regulation or was that a bust play again. Shaka is a great experienced coach, this shouldn't happen.
I was happy they actually got a shot off. Sean is faster than lightning. Not sure if he had the time, but if he did, wish he would have taken another two steps towards the basket and then shot.
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I thought they were consistent. Missed a few on both ends. Largely fine.
There were two or three calls where it looked like we had a jump ball and they called foul each time. We drew contact repeatedly toward the end of regulation and into OT and rarely got the call.
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Point
I hate to agree with Fluff, but get smarter friends.
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The 5th foul on Kolek in double OT was the back breaker.
Agree. I thought he was going to will this thing to victory.
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I was happy they actually got a shot off. Sean is faster than lightning. Not sure if he had the time, but if he did, wish he would have taken another two steps towards the basket and then shot.
I was good with going with Sean on the last possession but Shaka needed to set something up where he caught the ball with vertical momentum headed down court. We lost two seconds by just getting it to Sean flat footed.
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I thought officiating was fine until 2 minutes left in regulation. It was awful from that point on. Huge factor in deciding the outcome. Also big factors-
- in ability to block out free throws. This includes Sean jones who did not block out the shooter
- Omax falling on his layups and taking himself out of the defensive possession leading to easy baskets on other end. Happens at least once every game. At least 4 times tonight.
-Joplin losing defensive focus
- giving up layups off jump balls
-Kam was just off on anything more than a few feet out. It happens
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I was happy they actually got a shot off. Sean is faster than lightning. Not sure if he had the time, but if he did, wish he would have taken another two steps towards the basket and then shot.
Kam should be the one taking 3 pts
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Getting calls from friends that say Marquette vs Purdue, Miss St, Wisconsin, and now Providence look like Wojo teams.
Your friends are dipsh*ts.
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I thought Shaka kept too many timeouts in his pocket at the end of regulation. Could have used a couple to do something different on offense.
Yep. We were saying this in real time before Providence fully made their comeback.
Is this a long play? Is Shaka thinking the sooner they figure it out on their own the better? Will saving timeouts during horrendous scoring droughts help win tournament games? Would like to know Shaka’s perspective.
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Baylor win may start looking like wojo’s Villanova win.
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Why can’t people criticize a team they root for without you jumping in and acting like they just kicked your dog? We shouldn’t be negative about losing a game we were up 8 with 6:30 left and scored 2 points the rest of regulation? Giving up a 20-4 run between the end of regulation and overtime?
We’ve shown an inability to close out teams in close games. We’re bound to be a bubble team. Closing out games is very, very concerning.
It’s okay to have some negativity.
Being critical and being inherently negative are very different.
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I'm of the opinion that refs very, very seldom determine the outcome of games...but there are the occasional clear exceptions.
Sure, MU should have put it away in regulation, but the refs willed Providence to the victory.
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If we were a better team with a better coach we would have won.
Just need to hope we play better and are coached better next time.
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This shot by Breed was crushing. 3 was our largest lead in the last 10 minutes and it lasted 25 seconds. We never had the ball up more than 1 in OT1 or OT2.
2:29 David Joplin made Three Point Jumper. 96 93
2:04 Alyn Breed made Three Point Jumper. 96 96
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Point
I think you bumped your head during your time the great Northwest.
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I thought officiating was fine until 2 minutes left in regulation. It was awful from that point on. Huge factor in deciding the outcome. Also big factors-
- in ability to block out free throws. This includes Sean jones who did not block out the shooter
- Omax falling on his layups and taking himself out of the defensive possession leading to easy baskets on other end. Happens at least once every game. At least 4 times tonight.
-Joplin losing defensive focus
- giving up layups off jump balls
-Kam was just off on anything more than a few feet out. It happens
Good points.
One commonality from all 4 losses this season has been a poor performance from OMax
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Getting calls from friends that say Marquette vs Purdue, Miss St, Wisconsin, and now Providence look like Wojo teams.
Sure you are. ::)
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I'm of the opinion that refs very, very seldom determine the outcome of games...but there are the occasion clear exceptions.
Sure, MU should have put it away in regulation, but the refs willed Providence to the victory.
We had control of game in 2nd half, in reality it wasn't the refs. Call a timeout and regroup, but....
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It was interesting they put in Stevie Mitchell vs Sean Jones when Kolek fouled out.
I guess Shaka was thinking defense versus point guard.
Jones brought nothing tonight
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Hard to look past the FT discrepancy, but the game was also there to win. The last 5 minutes and both OTs were very ugly for both teams. PC was clearly only looking to get fouled, and we weren't really running anything at all. Have to hold serve on Tuesday at home.
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Jones brought nothing tonight
Jones is in a bit of a tough spot. He’s playing two minute increments if he’s lucky. I think he’ll be better in time with more extended run.
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Jones brought nothing tonight
Perhaps true.
This is the type of game that you have to get creative late to win though.
Shaka tried with getting Sean the ball at the end of regulation, imo a good move since he’s the fastest dude on the court no matter what the announcers or anyone else says.
He should have given him minutes in the extra frames for the same reason- that speed and athleticism could have opened up the game when going up against tired legs late. Shaka didn’t.
Would have really made sense after Tyler fouled out.
One more thing that is seemingly off the wall but would’ve made a lot of sense-
Oso lost all 3 tips and both of the overtime frames led to quick Providence buckets.
Possessions at that point in the game are so important that I would have sent Keeyan out for the tip for both OTs, don’t care if he hasn’t played a single minute. Utilize your strength and call a timeout if you have to, you've kept extras for a reason
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Curious question. Why does the OT period begin with a tip off rather than honoring the possession arrow?
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Curious question. Why does the OT period begin with a tip off rather than honoring the possession arrow?
Good question. Thought the same thing.
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Possibly Goose - got a lot going on now. Just wish a Shaka team could hold a lead down the stretch or beat a disciplined team like Wisconsin.
Point
I think you bumped your head during your time the great Northwest.
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Also big factors-
- in ability to block out free throws. This includes Sean jones who did not block out the shooter
This is an excellent point, definitely deserved mentioning. I think at least twice (maybe more?) in the OT’s, MU gave up offensive rebounds on Friar misses.
That Joplin front end miss (I think it was with 2 minutes left in the second OT) hurt too.
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Perhaps true.
This is the type of game that you have to get creative late to win though.
Shaka tried with getting Sean the ball at the end of regulation, imo a good move since he’s the fastest dude on the court no matter what the announcers or anyone else says.
He should have given him minutes in the extra frames for the same reason- that speed and athleticism could have opened up the game when going up against tired legs late. Shaka didn’t.
Would have really made sense after Tyler fouled out.
One more thing that is seemingly off the wall but would’ve made a lot of sense-
Oso lost all 3 tips and both of the overtime frames led to quick Providence buckets.
Possessions at that point in the game are so important that I would have sent Keeyan out for the tip for both OTs, don’t care if he hasn’t played a single minute. Utilize your strength and call a timeout if you have to, you've kept extras for a reason
Thought it should’ve been Sean at the end of the UW OT game.
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Jones is in a bit of a tough spot. He’s playing two minute increments if he’s lucky. I think he’ll be better in time with more extended run.
I get it, he's only a third of the way through his freshman year. Plenty of time for improvement. But so far, yeesh.
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Very disappointing. When you have a 9 point lead with less than 5 left you should win that game. I've said before my biggest concern with this team is can they won a close game. They still have yet to do that. MU plays good team ball but in crunch time it comes down to who are your go to guys and can they make winning plays. Kolek and Kam sleep walked through the first 3 minutes of OT then turned it on when it was almost too late. Kam's wide open 3 simply must go down.
Oh well you can bet we'll have many more opportunities in close games. Tournament teams win their share of those games. Right now we're 0 for
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Sean has been good this year. Tonight was rough, but otherwise solid contributions from the freshman
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Ref show. But cmon folks. Absolutely putrid offensive performance down the stretch. Several possessions of not even getting shots off all while we sat on a couple time outs. That game was won against an inferior team before that 5 minute or so stretch of zero points. Bad shot selection, poor decision making on the floor and on the sideline at the end of regulation lost that game.
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Don't tell ners.
I sure spend a lot of time in your head Tower. Pointwarrior is turning into a snowflake. It's Year 2, game 13 of Shaka's tenure. We finished 97th in Year 2 of Wojo. We are ranked 24th. Sucked that we lost this game and couldn't win this one, or Wisconsin, or Purdue, or MS State. Nearly impossible to win on the road when the opposition shoots 30 more FTs.
Kolek played like a warrior today, with a few critical turnovers at crucial times. But, tonight was a big step forward for Tyler. At least we agree that Tyler isn't going to lose minutes to Sean Jones, whom I love as a prospect.
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I'm not one who immediately jumps on the refs, but the officiating was poor tonight. Many of the same kind of bumps Providence got away with were called fouls on Marquette. It's basically impossible that Hopkins didn't get called for a single foul.
However ...
We had SO many chances to win this game and to take it 100% out of the officials' hands.
From the 7:21 mark of regulation, when Kam scored to put us up 75-66, until 40 seconds remained, we were outscored 12-1. There were turnovers by Oso, Joplin and 2 bad ones by Kolek, we were 0-4 from the field, and we missed a FT.
Most of the offense during that stretch was unwatchable. The possession Dish talked about -- 5-point lead with 3 1/2 minutes to go, Kolek holds the ball for 25 seconds before passing to Kam for a little-chance 3 -- awful! That miss led directly to an open 3 that they drained, then Joplin turns it over, and Croswell makes a layup. Just like that, a minute later, it's tied. Can't blame the refs for any of that.
Frankly, we were so deer-in-headlights during that stretch it was amazing we still had a chance to win.
Then, in the OTs, we have FT misses by Joplin (front end of 1-and-1), Kolek and Kam. Providence has FT misses, too ... but they get 3 effen offensive rebounds on them. They had 5 rebounds of missed FTs during the game. It's hard to win a basketball game when you can't block out on an opponent's missed FT.
Watched the game at a bar with 3 fellow Warriors and was on a text chain with two others ... and all of us were begging Shaka to use a timeout down the stretch when we were falling apart. Also, I don't know about putting in a freshman at the end of regulation who had played only 1 bad minute in the second half and none after the 14:54 mark when Shaka benched him. Maybe Shaka just got his Joneses confused -- there was plenty of time for Kam to get the inbounds pass, dribble down and try a 3 that would have at least had a prayer.
So yes, I do think the refs blew. But one has to try really, really hard to ignore all of our alma mater's self-inflicted wounds and say the refs blew the game for us. Make an effen FT in OT. Grab an effen rebound off a missed Providence FT. Don't stand around playing effen clueless, almost motionless offense for 6+ minutes down the stretch. And so on and so on. Ugh.
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I'm not one who immediately jumps on the refs, but the officiating was poor tonight. Many of the same kind of bumps Providence got away with were called fouls on Marquette. It's basically impossible that Hopkins didn't get called for a single foul.
However ...
We had SO many chances to win this game and to take it 100% out of the officials' hands.
From the 7:21 mark of regulation, when Kam scored to put us up 75-66, until 40 seconds remained, we were outscored 12-1. There were turnovers by Oso, Joplin and 2 bad ones by Kolek, we were 0-4 from the field, and we missed a FT.
Most of the offense during that stretch was unwatchable. The possession Dish talked about -- 5-point lead with 3 1/2 minutes to go, Kolek holds the ball for 25 seconds before passing to Kam for a little-chance 3 -- awful! That miss led directly to an open 3 that they drained, then Joplin turns it over, and Croswell makes a layup. Just like that, a minute later, it's tied. Can't blame the refs for any of that.
Frankly, we were so deer-in-headlights during that stretch it was amazing we still had a chance to win.
Then, in the OTs, we have FT misses by Joplin (front end of 1-and-1), Kolek and Kam. Providence has FT misses, too ... but they get 3 effen offensive rebounds on them. They had 5 rebounds of missed FTs during the game. It's hard to win a basketball game when you can't block out on an opponent's missed FT.
Watched the game at a bar with 3 fellow Warriors and was on a text chain with two others ... and all of us were begging Shaka to use a timeout down the stretch when we were falling apart. Also, I don't know about putting in a freshman at the end of regulation who had played only 1 bad minute in the second half and none after the 14:54 mark when Shaka benched him. Maybe Shaka just got his Joneses confused -- there was plenty of time for Kam to get the inbounds pass, dribble down and try a 3 that would have at least had a prayer.
So yes, I do think the refs blew. But one has to try really, really hard to ignore all of our alma mater's self-inflicted wounds and say the refs blew the game for us. Make an effen FT in OT. Grab an effen rebound off a missed Providence FT. Don't stand around playing effen clueless, almost motionless offense for 6+ minutes down the stretch. And so on and so on. Ugh.
Good post 82.
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Needed a transfer big last off-season and it’ll be a need this off-season. Dominated on the boards once again.
Can’t close out a game, again.
The can’t close out a game again is what bothers me. What, if anything, did they learn from the other three close games? I don’t mean the players. I mean the coaches. They need to figure it out, create the game plan, monitor and respond yo in-game action and teach the players. Maybe we get there. Hoping so. Go Marquette!
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I'm not one who immediately jumps on the refs, but the officiating was poor tonight. Many of the same kind of bumps Providence got away with were called fouls on Marquette. It's basically impossible that Hopkins didn't get called for a single foul.
However ...
We had SO many chances to win this game and to take it 100% out of the officials' hands.
From the 7:21 mark of regulation, when Kam scored to put us up 75-66, until 40 seconds remained, we were outscored 12-1. There were turnovers by Oso, Joplin and 2 bad ones by Kolek, we were 0-4 from the field, and we missed a FT.
Most of the offense during that stretch was unwatchable. The possession Dish talked about -- 5-point lead with 3 1/2 minutes to go, Kolek holds the ball for 25 seconds before passing to Kam for a little-chance 3 -- awful! That miss led directly to an open 3 that they drained, then Joplin turns it over, and Croswell makes a layup. Just like that, a minute later, it's tied. Can't blame the refs for any of that.
Frankly, we were so deer-in-headlights during that stretch it was amazing we still had a chance to win.
Then, in the OTs, we have FT misses by Joplin (front end of 1-and-1), Kolek and Kam. Providence has FT misses, too ... but they get 3 effen offensive rebounds on them. They had 5 rebounds of missed FTs during the game. It's hard to win a basketball game when you can't block out on an opponent's missed FT.
Watched the game at a bar with 3 fellow Warriors and was on a text chain with two others ... and all of us were begging Shaka to use a timeout down the stretch when we were falling apart. Also, I don't know about putting in a freshman at the end of regulation who had played only 1 bad minute in the second half and none after the 14:54 mark when Shaka benched him. Maybe Shaka just got his Joneses confused -- there was plenty of time for Kam to get the inbounds pass, dribble down and try a 3 that would have at least had a prayer.
So yes, I do think the refs blew. But one has to try really, really hard to ignore all of our alma mater's self-inflicted wounds and say the refs blew the game for us. Make an effen FT in OT. Grab an effen rebound off a missed Providence FT. Don't stand around playing effen clueless, almost motionless offense for 6+ minutes down the stretch. And so on and so on. Ugh.
Great post and analysis. Says it all.
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I’m probably belaboring a point already made, but I had zero confidence when MU got the ball, tied with 4.9 seconds left, and I saw Kolek taking the ball out of bounds, full court to go. I’d much rather see Oso be the inbounder, and have Kolek or Kam be the go getter, quick two dribble to mid court, and get a time out with half court side in bounds with about 2.8ish left, and run an inbounds play from there.
Shaka has shown multiple times now that he isn’t going to do that, and we now have three end of game instances with some really head scratching decisions. I get these are low probability chances, but the coaching strategies there leave a lot to be desired.
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I’m probably belaboring a point already made, but I had zero confidence when MU got the ball, tied with 4.9 seconds left, and I saw Kolek taking the ball out of bounds, full court to go. I’d much rather see Oso be the inbounder, and have Kolek or Kam be the go getter, quick two dribble to mid court, and get a time out with half court side in bounds with about 2.8ish left, and run an inbounds play from there.
Shaka has shown multiple times now that he isn’t going to do that, and we now have three end of game instances with some really head scratching decisions. I get these are low probability chances, but the coaching strategies there leave a lot to be desired.
Yessir. When you save multiple time-outs for the end of a game, and you have nearly 5 seconds to go, what you describe is the very best use of them. Get the ball to the front of the bench with 2+ seconds or so to go, call time-out, and draw up an actual play that has an actual chance. It's not that uncommon -- North Carolina did exactly that just the other day -- and it makes so much sense.
Love Shaka and glad he's our coach ... and we were pretty darn good in close games last season. But this season, he and his team have struggled so far in those situations. Here's hoping things improve, Dish, because there WILL be lots of close BEast games for us.
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Cooley & Company always one of my favorite opponents for me. Good hard fought games. We came lost tonight but have to regroup quickly for The Hall.
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Yessir. When you save multiple time-outs for the end of a game, and you have nearly 5 seconds to go, what you describe is the very best use of them. Get the ball to the front of the bench with 2+ seconds or so to go, call time-out, and draw up an actual play that has an actual chance. It's not that uncommon -- North Carolina did exactly that just the other day -- and it makes so much sense.
Love Shaka and glad he's our coach ... and we were pretty darn good in close games last season. But this season, he and his team have struggled so far in those situations. Here's hoping things improve, Dish, because there WILL be lots of close BEast games for us.
I don't think you can ask for much more than we got out of the look.
Sean Jones is the fast and shiftiest guy on the floor at all times and he got a wide open look at the top of the key. The shot attempt was just poor. I had 0 issue with that look. Ideally you maybe get 1 more dribble and a layup but with his size and the refs tonight he wasn't drawing a foul. That look was really good.
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All four ranked teams playing road games lost tonight. On to the next one. Happy Holidays everyone.
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Actual number is 3.
imaginary friends can be a sign of loneliness and social problems. most outgrow this peculiar potential personality disorder as they grow unless they have difficulty connecting with the real world. having 3 however is a call for help.
probably time to put lil chucky back in the closet eyn'a?
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Going through the Gamecast did we score 2 pts the Final 7 mins of regulation? Obviously the free throw disparity was horrific but WTF happened the final 7 mins? I'm extremely unhappy.
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I'm not one who immediately jumps on the refs, but the officiating was poor tonight. Many of the same kind of bumps Providence got away with were called fouls on Marquette. It's basically impossible that Hopkins didn't get called for a single foul.
However ...
We had SO many chances to win this game and to take it 100% out of the officials' hands.
From the 7:21 mark of regulation, when Kam scored to put us up 75-66, until 40 seconds remained, we were outscored 12-1. There were turnovers by Oso, Joplin and 2 bad ones by Kolek, we were 0-4 from the field, and we missed a FT.
Most of the offense during that stretch was unwatchable. The possession Dish talked about -- 5-point lead with 3 1/2 minutes to go, Kolek holds the ball for 25 seconds before passing to Kam for a little-chance 3 -- awful! That miss led directly to an open 3 that they drained, then Joplin turns it over, and Croswell makes a layup. Just like that, a minute later, it's tied. Can't blame the refs for any of that.
Frankly, we were so deer-in-headlights during that stretch it was amazing we still had a chance to win.
Then, in the OTs, we have FT misses by Joplin (front end of 1-and-1), Kolek and Kam. Providence has FT misses, too ... but they get 3 effen offensive rebounds on them. They had 5 rebounds of missed FTs during the game. It's hard to win a basketball game when you can't block out on an opponent's missed FT.
Watched the game at a bar with 3 fellow Warriors and was on a text chain with two others ... and all of us were begging Shaka to use a timeout down the stretch when we were falling apart. Also, I don't know about putting in a freshman at the end of regulation who had played only 1 bad minute in the second half and none after the 14:54 mark when Shaka benched him. Maybe Shaka just got his Joneses confused -- there was plenty of time for Kam to get the inbounds pass, dribble down and try a 3 that would have at least had a prayer.
So yes, I do think the refs blew. But one has to try really, really hard to ignore all of our alma mater's self-inflicted wounds and say the refs blew the game for us. Make an effen FT in OT. Grab an effen rebound off a missed Providence FT. Don't stand around playing effen clueless, almost motionless offense for 6+ minutes down the stretch. And so on and so on. Ugh.
My sentiments exactly. I’d invite anyone making the refs the main story of this game to watch starting with MU leading 75-66 and critique MU’s offensive possessions while they were outscored 12-1. The officials’ impact during that stretch was minimal to nonexistent and it was that stretch that caused the game to slip away.
The alarming thing is that stretches like that have become the norm for MU. Even in some of the buy games they let 20 point leads drizzle down to single digits by turning off the offense, and the execution at the end of the Purdue and Miss State game turned possible wins into losses.
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Going through the Gamecast did we score 2 pts the Final 7 mins of regulation? Obviously the free throw disparity was horrific but WTF happened the final 7 mins? I'm extremely unhappy.
You’re up early.
Fire up a nice pour over and begin getting into the Holiday spirit.
Happier times will come
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MU was up by 8 points with 6:48 to go in the game.
They scored two points in the final 6:48. Two. This has been an issue with scoring droughts over the past two years. There were missed jacked up threes, stupid, stupid turnovers, got pummeled on the boards and missed free throws. Ball game.
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Going through the Gamecast did we score 2 pts the Final 7 mins of regulation? Obviously the free throw disparity was horrific but WTF happened the final 7 mins? I'm extremely unhappy.
Smoke a bowl and relax
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Going through the Gamecast did we score 2 pts the Final 7 mins of regulation? Obviously the free throw disparity was horrific but WTF happened the final 7 mins? I'm extremely unhappy.
MU managed 6 or 7 consecutive possessions without getting a decent shot off, much less making one, and the refs had nothing to do with it.
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First game I thought we got the shaft by the refs.
Started and ended slow (in regulation). Defensive rebounding was an issue.
Providence is tough. The Big East is going to be a grind. We’re good enough to win most games, but not good enough to turn it over a bunch plus give up offensive rebounds and expect to win.
Providence definitely has a pro on their team. Marquette has guys who could develop into one, but nobody sure fire.
I thought the same thing.
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It sounds like we really kicked this game away which is incredibly disappointing. It just cannot happen, simple as that. And we are now 0-4 in close games which has been a concern I have raised a few times.
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Muggsy, MU fell down by double digits in the first half, came back to make it a 1 point game at half. They played very well for the first 12 minutes of the second half. They stopped executing for the next 9 minutes of game play. Stopped running the offense, stopped rebounding. Righted the ship to force a second OT. Ran out of gas and scorers in the second OT.
First conference road game against a Cooley coached team. 18 to go.
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Baylor says hello
We destroyed Providence last year too. Sometimes good teams have bad games. Pressure works well against teams that are not prepared for it. Pressure does not have a lot of impact on solid teams, which is what most teams that make the NCAA tournament are.
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Muggsy, MU fell down by double digits in the first half, came back to make it a 1 point game at half. They played very well for the first 12 minutes of the second half. They stopped executing for the next 9 minutes of game play. Stopped running the offense, stopped rebounding. Righted the ship to force a second OT. Ran out of gas and scorers in the second OT.
First conference road game against a Cooley coached team. 18 to go.
Why did they stop running their offense?
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We destroyed Providence last year too. Sometimes good teams have bad games. Pressure works well against teams that are not prepared for it. Pressure does not have a lot of impact on solid teams, which is what most teams that make the NCAA tournament are.
We have to figure out how to win close games bilsu.
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Curious question. Why does the OT period begin with a tip off rather than honoring the possession arrow?
Basically, it is the start of a new game.
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Why did they stop running their offense?
A thousand reasons. Providence stopped running their offense for a while. Teams stop running their offenses.
Last night, it appeared that Providence dialed up their physicality and defense. MU stood still and pounded the ball a little.
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We have to figure out how to win close games bilsu.
We?
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I hope Carter gets reamed in the locker room by Cooley. The Gritty dribble out was classless.
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Brother MU hit the nail on the head. We lost because of self-inflicted wounds, period. Hit some free throws in regulation and we go home with a hard fought win.
Free throws have been our Achilles heel all years. Last night was the first time it came back to bite us.
Long story short — bad teams complain about the referees. Good teams adapt to how the game is called.
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I don't think you can ask for much more than we got out of the look.
Sean Jones is the fast and shiftiest guy on the floor at all times and he got a wide open look at the top of the key. The shot attempt was just poor. I had 0 issue with that look. Ideally you maybe get 1 more dribble and a layup but with his size and the refs tonight he wasn't drawing a foul. That look was really good.
Disagree. You get the ball to midcourt with 2-3 seconds left, use one of the timeouts you apparently were planning to save for the Jan. 18 home game vs Providence, and you set up the kind of sideline inbounds plays you have gone over a bazillion times in practice.
Now, had Shaka gotten Kam that exact same shot, I might have agreed with you. But Sean played 1 minute in the second half before being yanked from the game by Shaka with 15 minutes left for poor play.
If you don't think we could have done better than insert an ice-cold freshman into the game and ask him to win it for us, well, that's an opinion all right.
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The officiating was definitely not fine. I was 25 feet from one basket and there was PLENTY of contact both ways but a marked disparity as to calls - marked.
That said, this one was there for the taking - empty, disorganized (no TO, Shaka?) possessions, giving up bunnies.
Perhaps we can hope that one day our coach will learn the value of a rebound.
Lousy start, good mid-game, terrible late game, great comeback in OT, got worn out by their physicality and superiority on the glass. Bummer.
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Disagree. You get the ball to midcourt with 2-3 seconds left, use one of the timeouts you apparently were planning to save for the Jan. 18 home game vs Providence, and you set up the kind of sideline inbounds plays you have gone over a bazillion times in practice.
Now, had Shaka gotten Kam that exact same shot, I might have agreed with you. But Sean played 1 minute in the second half before being yanked from the game by Shaka with 15 minutes left for poor play.
If you don't think we could have done better than insert an ice-cold freshman into the game and ask him to win it for us, well, that's an opinion all right.
Shaka ran the play everybody wanted against Wisconsin. I made the same argument then that you made in your second and third paragraphs.
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Y'all need to learn how to enjoy a hard fought loss. It was a great basketball game that we came up short in, yes because of self-inflicted wounds. But every time the team fell behind, they responded and went on a run to either take the lead or tie until the refs took out 2 of our starters. Every team will have games where they play like dog crap for stretches. Not every team has the ability to right the ship multiple times a night. There was never a point where I felt like we were out of it. If you can only enjoy the wins, then you are going to be miserable a third of the season.
Providence got significantly more calls than we did. To deny that is to deny reality. But don't go cold over the last six minutes of regulation, don't give up multiple ORs off FTs, make one more FT, and it doesn't matter.
Shaka needed to call a timeout during that stretch at the end of regulation. Not sure what he was waiting for. The team was clearly disorganized and needed some direction but Shaka let them play through it. I appreciate that he doesn't overcoach but there are times when you need to step in and get your ducks in a row.
I didn't mind the play call to Sean Jones. He's our quickest guy and got the ball up for an open shot. My guess is he was supposed to pass to an open Kam or Jop if he could but the passes weren't there so he took it himself. I would have preferred a timeout and then a SOB play as others have suggested but with less than 5 seconds, going the full court and getting an open three is not a bad outcome.
We couldn't have asked for a better shot when Kam got the ball wide open for three with a chance to ice the game in OT. He just missed it. He makes that shot 8 times out of 10. He does and we are celebrating a gritty win.
Sean Jones got benched for failing to box out the FT shooter. My guess is he never makes that mistake again. FR learning moment.
Scoring Kolek is an excellent sign. That was a warning shot to the rest of the Big East that if they try to take away his passing, he will f*ck em with his scoring
Yes, we lost because of bunch of self-inflicted wounds. But think of how well we had to play the rest of the game if we made it to double OT, on the road, against a top half Big East team, in a game where Providence got over a dozen more calls, and Bynum hit three threes and some long 2s after shooting 17% from three the rest of the season. This team will be fine. They will win games like this in the future. 12+ Big East wins.
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Kam had that wide open three and no one was within five feet of him. Almost like a pre game warmup shot. I thought this one is going in, but.......Could have changed entire ending.
Sean Jones should be reminded this is not high school anymore. He continues to drive, hoping to make a miracle reverse layup and well, it has not been working out so good.
Kenyan has been at MU for two years. The guy cannot even play one minute of a game, in a situation where he height could be utilized? Yes, there is the videos of his "athletic" ability, blah, blah, blah. If he can't play, then why is he here.
Review the tape, make some adjustments and pound Seton Hall to get back on track.
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Y'all need to learn how to enjoy a hard fought loss. It was a great basketball game that we came up short in, yes because of self-inflicted wounds. But every time the team fell behind, they responded and went on a run to either take the lead or tie until the refs took out 2 of our starters. Every team will have games where they play like dog crap for stretches. Not every team has the ability to right the ship multiple times a night. There was never a point where I felt like we were out of it. If you can only enjoy the wins, then you are going to be miserable a third of the season.
Providence got significantly more calls than we did. To deny that is to deny reality. But don't go cold over the last six minutes of regulation, don't give up multiple ORs off FTs, make one more FT, and it doesn't matter.
Shaka needed to call a timeout during that stretch at the end of regulation. Not sure what he was waiting for. The team was clearly disorganized and needed some direction but Shaka let them play through it. I appreciate that he doesn't overcoach but there are times when you need to step in and get your ducks in a row.
I didn't mind the play call to Sean Jones. He's our quickest guy and got the ball up for an open shot. My guess is he was supposed to pass to an open Kam or Jop if he could but the passes weren't there so he took it himself. I would have preferred a timeout and then a SOB play as others have suggested but with less than 5 seconds, going the full court and getting an open three is not a bad outcome.
We couldn't have asked for a better shot when Kam got the ball wide open for three with a chance to ice the game in OT. He just missed it. He makes that shot 8 times out of 10. He does and we are celebrating a gritty win.
Sean Jones got benched for failing to box out the FT shooter. My guess is he never makes that mistake again. FR learning moment.
Scoring Kolek is an excellent sign. That was a warning shot to the rest of the Big East that if they try to take away his passing, he will f*ck em with his scoring
Yes, we lost because of bunch of self-inflicted wounds. But think of how well we had to play the rest of the game if we made it to double OT, on the road, against a top half Big East team, in a game where Providence got over a dozen more calls, and Bynum hit three threes and some long 2s after shooting 17% from three the rest of the season. This team will be fine. They will win games like this in the future. 12+ Big East wins.
Your take is pretty similar to mine, Wiz, which doesn't surprise me. I am enjoying this team and this season ... but it's OK to lament lost opportunities and to offer non-personal-attack-on-players-and-coaches critiques. As you and I both did.
In no way am I suggesting that the season is lost or anything fatalist like that. We had a great chance to get a big win ... and couldn't quite get it done. On to the Seton Hall game, and then to Nova after that.
Great point on Kam's 3, too. That was a really nice play by Kolek, and it's probably the most open Kam has been in a half-court set all season. His shot was just off tonight. Even one he made was banked in.
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TAMU
It is a disappointing loss, one we should have won and that makes it tough. That being said, I agree with every word in your post. This team is going to get it done in BE play and I agree on the 12+ wins, even after last night.
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Excellent post TAMU. Losing sucks but the season is long. Learn from it and move on.
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+100K TAMU.
I’m not quite as confident in the 12+ wins, but that’s ok if they don’t get there imo. Not great, but ok.
I’ve very confident in the 10+, and my only barometer on the entirety of the season being a success is the same it was last season, 1 win in the NCAAt.
I’ll enjoy the highs and lows as they come because I love MUbb as all of us do, and as a realist you know the highs will be high and the lows can get quite low.
I just sure as heck hope MU dances
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It sounds like we really kicked this game away which is incredibly disappointing. It just cannot happen, simple as that. And we are now 0-4 in close games which has been a concern I have raised a few times.
Cooley & Company are always tough competition . Taking them to two overtime’s shows we were right there . Closing out wins in a Big East game, especially on the road , is a very hard thing to achieve .
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Disagree. You get the ball to midcourt with 2-3 seconds left, use one of the timeouts you apparently were planning to save for the Jan. 18 home game vs Providence, and you set up the kind of sideline inbounds plays you have gone over a bazillion times in practice.
Now, had Shaka gotten Kam that exact same shot, I might have agreed with you. But Sean played 1 minute in the second half before being yanked from the game by Shaka with 15 minutes left for poor play.
If you don't think we could have done better than insert an ice-cold freshman into the game and ask him to win it for us, well, that's an opinion all right.
No. Getting the ball downhill is a significantly better look than an awkward catch and shoot from somewhere deep in the halfcourt. Jones got a wide wide open look from 3.
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Y'all need to learn how to enjoy a hard fought loss.
It's just that we have been enjoying them too often for almost 10 years now. I'd like to enjoy a few more hard fought wins.
This season it's been cruise to victory or lose so far.
Our wins margins are 10, 24, 37, 24, 14, 26, 12, 15 and 11.
Our loss margins are 5, 3, 3 (OT), 5 (2OT).
And weirdly, our wins were more lop-sided than the final margins indicate and our losses were closer than the final margins indicate.
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It's just that we have been enjoying them too often for almost 10 years now. I'd like to enjoy a few more hard fought wins.
This season it's been cruise to victory or lose so far.
Our wins margins are 10, 24, 37, 24, 14, 26, 12, 15 and 11.
Our loss margins are 5, 3, 3 (OT), 5 (2OT).
And weirdly, our wins were more lop-sided than the final margins indicate and our losses were closer than the final margins indicate.
Cruise or lose. Haha I like that way of saying it.
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4. Omax struggled with the physicality tonight. He has to learn and get better. And quit falling down when he misses lay ups.
A lot of Scoopers have talked about Omax going to the NBA. I have pushed back on that and stated it is unlikely.
Last night gave the best evidence yet. It showed the difference between a guy who will be in the League (Hopkins) and a guy who may won’t.
I still like OMax and still think he could be an All- Big East player before his career is over. He is also a young guy who is going to get better.
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Not there yet. But not far off. He will play in the league.
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Oso is the one I don't get that we hear a lot of NBA buzz about, at least on the broadcasts. He's 6-9, solid handle, above average athleticism, good passer, but thin and can't shoot a lick outside 5 feet. I'm very glad we have him because he is an excellent college player, but I don't see how he projects at the next level.
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+100K TAMU.
I’m not quite as confident in the 12+ wins, but that’s ok if they don’t get there imo. Not great, but ok.
I’ve very confident in the 10+, and my only barometer on the entirety of the season being a success is the same it was last season, 1 win in the NCAAt.
I’ll enjoy the highs and lows as they come because I love MUbb as all of us do, and as a realist you know the highs will be high and the lows can get quite low.
I just sure as heck hope MU dances
I’m skeptical about 12+ wins too.
To get there MU has to:
1) find a way to execute in the last 8-10 minutes of the game when they have a moderate sized lead. An 8 or 9 point lead is not that great in the shot clock, 3 point shot era. They have to keep doing what got them the lead in the first place. Maybe with a 15 point lead and 4 minutes left (like against Creighton) it’s OK to run some clock.
2) Shoot FTs better. They haven’t even had a game yet where they had a narrow lead with 2 minutes left and needed FTs to hang on. I’m not confident that this team will have success with that. The opponents will have some food targets for those late fouls.
3) Avoid the late season “wall” that has plagued so many recent MU teams, including last year. With so many young players who haven’t logged a lot of college minutes that could be a problem again this year.
I see MU being in most games, but there could be a lot of frustrating losses like the 4 they’ve had already.
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Not there yet. But not far off. He will play in the league.
I hope you are right.
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No. Getting the ball downhill is a significantly better look than an awkward catch and shoot from somewhere deep in the halfcourt. Jones got a wide wide open look from 3.
Nope. You have numerous options on an inbounds pass from the plus side of midcourt. Teams call great plays resulting in make-able shots in that situation all the time. There's a reason why so many coaches call timeout, get the ball to midcourt and then call timeout again. It's a pretty common technique.
Much better than asking a freshman who hadn't gotten off the bench for 45 minutes to try to win the game with a desperation shot. Sean's "wide open look" had a predictable result -- a brick that wasn't close. Who can blame him? His body was ice cold.
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Y'all need to learn how to enjoy a hard fought loss. It was a great basketball game that we came up short in, yes because of self-inflicted wounds. But every time the team fell behind, they responded and went on a run to either take the lead or tie until the refs took out 2 of our starters. Every team will have games where they play like dog crap for stretches. Not every team has the ability to right the ship multiple times a night. There was never a point where I felt like we were out of it. If you can only enjoy the wins, then you are going to be miserable a third of the season.
Providence got significantly more calls than we did. To deny that is to deny reality. But don't go cold over the last six minutes of regulation, don't give up multiple ORs off FTs, make one more FT, and it doesn't matter.
Shaka needed to call a timeout during that stretch at the end of regulation. Not sure what he was waiting for. The team was clearly disorganized and needed some direction but Shaka let them play through it. I appreciate that he doesn't overcoach but there are times when you need to step in and get your ducks in a row.
I didn't mind the play call to Sean Jones. He's our quickest guy and got the ball up for an open shot. My guess is he was supposed to pass to an open Kam or Jop if he could but the passes weren't there so he took it himself. I would have preferred a timeout and then a SOB play as others have suggested but with less than 5 seconds, going the full court and getting an open three is not a bad outcome.
We couldn't have asked for a better shot when Kam got the ball wide open for three with a chance to ice the game in OT. He just missed it. He makes that shot 8 times out of 10. He does and we are celebrating a gritty win.
Sean Jones got benched for failing to box out the FT shooter. My guess is he never makes that mistake again. FR learning moment.
Scoring Kolek is an excellent sign. That was a warning shot to the rest of the Big East that if they try to take away his passing, he will f*ck em with his scoring
Yes, we lost because of bunch of self-inflicted wounds. But think of how well we had to play the rest of the game if we made it to double OT, on the road, against a top half Big East team, in a game where Providence got over a dozen more calls, and Bynum hit three threes and some long 2s after shooting 17% from three the rest of the season. This team will be fine. They will win games like this in the future. 12+ Big East wins.
TAMU, I agree with all of this.
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We have to figure out how to win close games rebound bilsu.
There, fixed.
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I agree that is, at this point, hard to imagine Omax in the NBA. He disappeared offensively / rebounding last night and got overwhelmed completely when matched up on Hopkins. Omax has some really nice games, but, in all honesty, he is too frequently MIA.
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Missed Justin Lewis last night, tbh
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Missed Justin Lewis last night, tbh
Also Mo Lucas
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Y'all need to learn how to enjoy a hard fought loss. It was a great basketball game that we came up short in, yes because of self-inflicted wounds. But every time the team fell behind, they responded and went on a run to either take the lead or tie until the refs took out 2 of our starters. Every team will have games where they play like dog crap for stretches. Not every team has the ability to right the ship multiple times a night. There was never a point where I felt like we were out of it. If you can only enjoy the wins, then you are going to be miserable a third of the season.
Providence got significantly more calls than we did. To deny that is to deny reality. But don't go cold over the last six minutes of regulation, don't give up multiple ORs off FTs, make one more FT, and it doesn't matter.
Shaka needed to call a timeout during that stretch at the end of regulation. Not sure what he was waiting for. The team was clearly disorganized and needed some direction but Shaka let them play through it. I appreciate that he doesn't overcoach but there are times when you need to step in and get your ducks in a row.
I didn't mind the play call to Sean Jones. He's our quickest guy and got the ball up for an open shot. My guess is he was supposed to pass to an open Kam or Jop if he could but the passes weren't there so he took it himself. I would have preferred a timeout and then a SOB play as others have suggested but with less than 5 seconds, going the full court and getting an open three is not a bad outcome.
We couldn't have asked for a better shot when Kam got the ball wide open for three with a chance to ice the game in OT. He just missed it. He makes that shot 8 times out of 10. He does and we are celebrating a gritty win.
Sean Jones got benched for failing to box out the FT shooter. My guess is he never makes that mistake again. FR learning moment.
Scoring Kolek is an excellent sign. That was a warning shot to the rest of the Big East that if they try to take away his passing, he will f*ck em with his scoring
Yes, we lost because of bunch of self-inflicted wounds. But think of how well we had to play the rest of the game if we made it to double OT, on the road, against a top half Big East team, in a game where Providence got over a dozen more calls, and Bynum hit three threes and some long 2s after shooting 17% from three the rest of the season. This team will be fine. They will win games like this in the future. 12+ Big East wins.
Respectfully, I completely disagree with you. There are no moral victories in college hoops. I wasn't able to see this game but according to a gamecast thread we were up 76-67 with like 6 mins to go. Maybe this is factually incorrect but I believe it's been established that we scored two points the final 7 mins That just cannot happen TAMU. It just can't, good teams find ways to get W's in these situations. We've now had four chances to win games down the stretch and haven't gotten it done. Somehow we're going to have to flip this switch and win more close games than not. That means learning how to execute on both ends of the floor for starters.
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Wasn't there a Jimmy-Lazar team that had a similar start to the season and then had success? I tend to agree with most of TAMU's take. The season's a marathon.
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Wasn't there a Jimmy-Lazar team that had a similar start to the season and then had success? I tend to agree with most of TAMU's take. The season's a marathon.
An 18-13 marathon hey??
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Respectfully, I completely disagree with you. There are no moral victories in college hoops. I wasn't able to see this game but according to a gamecast thread we were up 76-67 with like 6 mins to go. Maybe this is factually incorrect but I believe it's been established that we scored two points the final 7 mins That just cannot happen TAMU. It just can't, good teams find ways to get W's in these situations. We've now had four chances to win games down the stretch and haven't gotten it done. Somehow we're going to have to flip this switch and win more close games than not. That means learning how to execute on both ends of the floor for starters.
Who said anything about a moral victory?
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Shaka ran the play everybody wanted against Wisconsin. I made the same argument then that you made in your second and third paragraphs.
After Shaka called time out the players set up in a bunch pass the half court line. It was obvious what MU was going to do. Gard saw it, and immediately called timeout and set up his defense for it. Long passes in those situations are usually intercepted. Let me know when you watch a game this year were the long pass at the end of the game actually worked.
I remember Whitehead scoring a long pass on our trip to NCAA title and Duke beating Kentucky on a long pass, but those plays are few and far between.
I also remember Tyus Edney(sp) driving the length of the floor to win the NCAA title game for UCLA. Two point or less deficit the defensive team cannot afford to foul.
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Saying long passes work few and far between and then giving a dribbling example from 25+ years ago is certainly an interesting choice.
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After Shaka called time out the players set up in a bunch pass the half court line. It was obvious what MU was going to do. Gard saw it, and immediately called timeout and set up his defense for it. Long passes in those situations are usually intercepted. Let me know when you watch a game this year were the long pass at the end of the game actually worked.
I remember Whitehead scoring a long pass on our trip to NCAA title and Duke beating Kentucky on a long pass, but those plays are few and far between.
I also remember Tyus Edney(sp) driving the length of the floor to win the NCAA title game for UCLA. Two point or less deficit the defensive team cannot afford to foul.
It did not win them the title. It beat Missouri.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NS8QCoYfzW8
BTW, watch just to hear Al.
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Let me know when you watch a game this year were the long pass at the end of the game actually worked.
Not sure how you're defining "long pass," but just 5 days ago in their game against Ohio State, UNC coach Hubert Davis took TO and called for a pass to midcourt so he could call another quick TO. It was executed perfectly, Davis got to set up a more do-able play from right in front of his own bench, that play also was executed well, and the UNC player swished a 15-footer at the buzzer to tie the game.
If a coach has multiple timeouts available at that point in a game, it's a pretty common strategy. I've seen it numerous times in college ball, the high-school coach I worked for used it a couple times during my two seasons there, and I even used it once myself at the middle-school level.
In Marquette's situation, with almost 5 seconds to go, Shaka had the option of trying a long-ish pass to midcourt to then call another TO; or inbounding to a fast player like either of the Joneses, getting to midcourt with a few dribbles, and then calling another TO. Instead of either of those options, Shaka decided to put the game in the hands of a freshman who had been sitting on the bench for close to an hour.
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https://www.secsports.com/video/35036289/michigan-state-fools-kentucky-inbounds-play-force-2ot
From you know, this century. Caught at mid court.
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https://www.secsports.com/video/35036289/michigan-state-fools-kentucky-inbounds-play-force-2ot
From you know, this century. Caught at mid court.
Do you suppose Joey fell down as a decoy?
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NM.
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I hope Carter gets reamed in the locker room by Cooley l. The Gritty dribble out was classless.
Their offense is predicated on flailing. Not sure how you defend that?
Providence moving into my list of most hated Big East team, even with Cooley at the helm.
Providence shot 22 free throws in the time I wrote this.
you should live here and have yo swallow this PC bullshat daily.