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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: tower912 on December 16, 2022, 09:28:34 PM

Title: Average post game drivel.
Post by: tower912 on December 16, 2022, 09:28:34 PM
1.  MU missed some good looks.  If they had made half the layups they missed this would have been a laugher.
2.  Creighton hit a couple of prayers.  MU played  solid defense almost all night.
3. Joplin is not at his best off the dribble.
4.  Creighton did a nice job of exploiting MU switching all 5 spots and getting the ball to King against a guard or all alone after help.  He is going to be a problem.
5.  I appreciate the adjustments MU made without Kalkbrenner in.   Used the same strategy as against ND.
6.  Lots of guys scoring tonight.
7.  The day will come when MU needs to hit free throws.
8.  Held serve.   No one got hurt.  Good start to the conference season.
Title: Re: Average post game drivel.
Post by: Uncle Rico on December 16, 2022, 09:34:02 PM
1.  MU missed some good looks.  If they had made half the layups they missed this would have been a laugher.
2.  Creighton hit a couple of prayers.  MU played  solid defense almost all night.
3. Joplin is not at his best off the dribble.
4.  Creighton did a nice job of exploiting MU switching all 5 spots and getting the ball to King against a guard or all alone after help.  He is going to be a problem.
5.  I appreciate the adjustments MU made without Kalkbrenner in.   Used the same strategy as against ND.
6.  Lots of guys scoring tonight.
7.  The day will come when MU needs to hit free throws.
8.  Held serve.   No one got hurt.  Good start to the conference season.

Can’t take anything positive out of this game.  Not winning by 20 isn’t acceptable
Title: Re: Average post game drivel.
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on December 16, 2022, 09:34:16 PM
Not sure how much it impacts NET

but our putting int he walk ons has lost like 6 pts on every blowout weve had.

with a weak BE might need more

Other than that..........never a doubt. Excellent win.
Title: Re: Average post game drivel.
Post by: Uncle Rico on December 16, 2022, 09:36:39 PM
Not sure how much it impacts NET

but our putting int he walk ons has lost like 6 pts on every blowout weve had.

with a weak BE might need more

Other than that..........never a doubt. Excellent win.

I think it’s a wash with regard to net.  KenPom had it as a 3-point win.  Take the double digit win and enjoy
Title: Re: Average post game drivel.
Post by: tower912 on December 16, 2022, 09:40:08 PM
The really funny thing is that MU won by double digits.    And scoop is disappointed.  Yes, there are always lessons to be learned.

But point 1 holds.  If MU had made half the layups they missed, this is a laugher. 
Title: Re: Average post game drivel.
Post by: 5DollarPitcher on December 16, 2022, 09:41:03 PM
Our program is so much better than 2 years ago
Title: Re: Average post game drivel.
Post by: avid1010 on December 16, 2022, 09:42:07 PM
Not sure how much it impacts NET

but our putting int he walk ons has lost like 6 pts on every blowout weve had.

with a weak BE might need more

Other than that..........never a doubt. Excellent win.
Walk-ons came in as soon as Jop went down and grabbed his leg.
Title: Re: Average post game drivel.
Post by: IrwinFletcher on December 16, 2022, 09:43:05 PM
It was a 16 point game and Shaka sent in the walk-ons.

Very good game and we got to play them without Kalkbrenner.

Take the win run with it.
Title: Re: Average post game drivel.
Post by: Goose on December 16, 2022, 09:43:49 PM
tower

I am not disappointed. I fully understand the progress this program has made and enjoying every fxxkin minute of it. The bar gets raised every week and I think they are up to the task.
Title: Re: Average post game drivel.
Post by: Lennys Tap on December 16, 2022, 09:45:23 PM
1.  MU missed some good looks.  If they had made half the layups they missed this would have been a laugher.
2.  Creighton hit a couple of prayers.  MU played  solid defense almost all night.
3. Joplin is not at his best off the dribble.
4.  Creighton did a nice job of exploiting MU switching all 5 spots and getting the ball to King against a guard or all alone after help.  He is going to be a problem.
5.  I appreciate the adjustments MU made without Kalkbrenner in.   Used the same strategy as against ND.
6.  Lots of guys scoring tonight.
7.  The day will come when MU needs to hit free throws.
8.  Held serve.   No one got hurt.  Good start to the conference season.

1. True we missed some good looks - but it was a laugher (up 18 with a couple of minutes left, played the walk ons) anyway.
2. Very true They made at least 3 of banalce prayers to beat the shot clock.
3. Yep
4. King got a lot of his points off of offensive rebounds. I think Creighton should have gone to him a lot more often.


Title: Re: Average post game drivel.
Post by: Vander Blue Man Group on December 16, 2022, 09:45:54 PM
One of my favorite plays of the game was in the first half when Kam was driving and sprayed a no-look to Jop for the 3. I’m not sure beginning of the season Kam makes that play. Super-impressed with how he’s developing in season.
Title: Re: Average post game drivel.
Post by: DoctorV on December 16, 2022, 09:52:13 PM
9. One team was predicted to finish 1st in the BE, the other 9th.

10. Mr. 300z

Tower I don’t add those to slight your post, your post game pressers are unmatched and we thank you.

However, a month ago we would’ve all been shocked to hear that this MU team might be having a better season than Creighton before Christmas, and here we are.

Someone mentioned a few posts up that this teams trajectory is so different than it was 2 years ago, great comment.

Shaka looks comfortable, and by design when he looks comfortable those fellas on the court look comfortable.

And as a result scoop looks comfortable.

Let’s gooooo
Title: Re: Average post game drivel.
Post by: BLWarrior91 on December 16, 2022, 09:53:14 PM
1.  MU missed some good looks.  If they had made half the layups they missed this would have been a laugher.
2.  Creighton hit a couple of prayers.  MU played  solid defense almost all night.
3. Joplin is not at his best off the dribble.
4.  Creighton did a nice job of exploiting MU switching all 5 spots and getting the ball to King against a guard or all alone after help.  He is going to be a problem.
5.  I appreciate the adjustments MU made without Kalkbrenner in.   Used the same strategy as against ND.
6.  Lots of guys scoring tonight.
7.  The day will come when MU needs to hit free throws.
8.  Held serve.   No one got hurt.  Good start to the conference season.

Great insight.  Solid start to the BE schedule.  Let’s do the same to the Friars.
Title: Re: Average post game drivel.
Post by: GB Warrior on December 16, 2022, 09:54:12 PM
Walk-ons costing us seeding smh
Title: Re: Average post game drivel.
Post by: Goose on December 16, 2022, 09:56:14 PM
Doctor

It is night and day from a year ago. Enjoy the Shaka era.
Title: Re: Average post game drivel.
Post by: CountryRoads on December 16, 2022, 09:59:36 PM
Another very solid game from MU. I would take this MU team over any in the last decade. I’m not sure how much that’s saying, but this is a good team.

Though wtf happened to Creighton. This was supposed to be a long shot for MU to win at the beginning of the year and the only thing we have to complain about is the walkons giving up some points at the end of a blowout. I realize kalkbrenner is out, but this isn’t the same gritty Creighton team we’re used to. Their preseason ranking was way off.
Title: Re: Average post game drivel.
Post by: DoctorV on December 16, 2022, 10:00:50 PM
Doctor

It is night and day from a year ago. Enjoy the Shaka era.

Every day is a new joy.

Love your buy in from day one.
We all wanted to, but you were vocal about the belief.

Shaka gets it.

I didn’t understand the no transfers in this offseason (sans Wrightsil), but Shaka knew what he was doing.

That’s why he’s in the big seat.
Gauntlet means huge game at the Dunk on Tuesday let’s get it!
Title: Re: Average post game drivel.
Post by: MU82 on December 16, 2022, 10:01:48 PM
And as a result scoop looks comfortable.

Not sure about Scoop ever looking comfortable, but this was another enjoyable win, one that was pretty much never in doubt midway through the second half.

Very smart offensive game plan by Shaka, executed nicely by the team. And typical tough D by our guys. Fun stuff.

We Are Marquette! (He said, comfortably.)
Title: Re: Average post game drivel.
Post by: DoctorV on December 16, 2022, 10:04:15 PM
Another very solid game from MU. I would take this MU team over any in the last decade. I’m not sure how much that’s saying, but this is a good team.

Though wtf happened to Creighton. This was supposed to be a long shot for MU to win at the beginning of the year and the only thing we have to complain about is the walkons giving up some points at the end of a blowout. I realize kalkbrenner is out, but this isn’t the same gritty Creighton team we’re used to. Their preseason ranking was way off.

The post game comments by the FS1 guy were solid. I forget his name but he played at UConn I think and he was an nba guy, bad mind blank.

Creighton is in a tough spot. The talent is there, but they were sloppy today.
A lot of uncharacteristic turns, unlike a McDermott squad.
They also don’t shoot great, and that’s a problem.

I’d be floored if McDermott doesn’t right the ship and dance, but the margin is slim for this years BE so they better win these “gimmes” coming up even whiteout Kalker
Title: Re: Average post game drivel.
Post by: DoctorV on December 16, 2022, 10:05:28 PM
Not sure about Scoop ever looking comfortable, but this was another enjoyable win, one that was pretty much never in doubt midway through the second half.

Very smart offensive game plan by Shaka, executed nicely by the team. And typical tough D by our guys. Fun stuff.

We Are Marquette! (He said, comfortably.)

Haha

I get it, but look at the number of new posts tonight….

Thats comfortable around here.

In a loss this place would be LIT
Title: Re: Average post game drivel.
Post by: ATL MU Warrior on December 16, 2022, 10:05:53 PM
The post game comments by the FS1 guy were solid. I forget his name but he played at UConn I think and he was an nba guy, bad mind blank.

Creighton is in a tough spot. The talent is there, but they were sloppy today.
A lot of uncharacteristic turns, unlike a McDermott squad.
They also don’t shoot great, and that’s a problem.

I’d be floored if McDermott doesn’t right the ship and dance, but the margin is slim for this years BE so they better win these “gimmes” coming up even whiteout Kalker
Didn’t watch the post game but halftime was Jim Jackson who played at Ohio state
Title: Re: Average post game drivel.
Post by: DoctorV on December 16, 2022, 10:06:39 PM
Didn’t watch the post game but halftime was Jim Jackson who played at Ohio state

Yes Jim Jackson.

Scoopers would say he has the neck of a UConn guy
Title: Re: Average post game drivel.
Post by: pbiflyer on December 16, 2022, 10:15:19 PM
I wonder if King can shoot outside of six inches.we may never know.
Was worried that the ball seemed to be bouncing Creighton’s way early on. Lots of luck and buzzer beater shots from creighton and we still won handily.
This team is fun to watch, even when the breaks aren’t going our way.
Title: Re: Average post game drivel.
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on December 16, 2022, 10:16:49 PM
The post game comments by the FS1 guy were solid. I forget his name but he played at UConn I think and he was an nba guy, bad mind blank.

Creighton is in a tough spot. The talent is there, but they were sloppy today.
A lot of uncharacteristic turns, unlike a McDermott squad.
They also don’t shoot great, and that’s a problem.

I’d be floored if McDermott doesn’t right the ship and dance, but the margin is slim for this years BE so they better win these “gimmes” coming up even whiteout Kalker

They have zero depth.

None.

People talk all the time about how good teams shorten the bench and only go 7 deep tops in march.

But Creighton has literally 5 guys(and it stays 5 cause if Kalky is healthy then King is basically nothing)
Title: Re: Average post game drivel.
Post by: MuggsyB on December 16, 2022, 10:18:20 PM
1.  MU missed some good looks.  If they had made half the layups they missed this would have been a laugher.
2.  Creighton hit a couple of prayers.  MU played  solid defense almost all night.
3. Joplin is not at his best off the dribble.
4.  Creighton did a nice job of exploiting MU switching all 5 spots and getting the ball to King against a guard or all alone after help.  He is going to be a problem.
5.  I appreciate the adjustments MU made without Kalkbrenner in.   Used the same strategy as against ND.
6.  Lots of guys scoring tonight.
7.  The day will come when MU needs to hit free throws.
8.  Held serve.   No one got hurt.  Good start to the conference season.

I thought we played in spurts and there are areas we will need to improve but it was a solid win. 
Title: Re: Average post game drivel.
Post by: pbiflyer on December 16, 2022, 10:20:40 PM
They have zero depth.

None.

People talk all the time about how good teams shorten the bench and only go 7 deep tops in march.

But Creighton has literally 5 guys(and it stays 5 cause if Kalky is healthy then King is basically nothing)
Not only did their bench not score until the end, they only had a total of 4 rebounds out of 34.
Title: Re: Average post game drivel.
Post by: PointWarrior on December 16, 2022, 10:22:01 PM
OMax dunk in traffic deserves a call out.

Title: Re: Average post game drivel.
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on December 16, 2022, 10:23:27 PM
Saw on Creighton board

One poster said "we are losing to an inferior team" and then about 5 of them jumped on it asking what he was talking about.

They are down on themselves but love the depth we have compared to CU
Title: Re: Average post game drivel.
Post by: MuggsyB on December 16, 2022, 10:24:07 PM
Our guards and Jop had an unusually poor shooting night.  But it was still never in doubt so that's a good sign. 
Title: Re: Average post game drivel.
Post by: CountryRoads on December 16, 2022, 10:25:00 PM
OMax dunk in traffic deserves a call out.

It does. It was an incredible display of athleticism and aggressiveness.
Title: Re: Average post game drivel.
Post by: GB Warrior on December 16, 2022, 10:27:22 PM
Stevie is such a fun energy on this team too. He's not the most important player and maybe not top 5. But he plays exactly the way Shaka wants. And that dunk was great
Title: Re: Average post game drivel.
Post by: MuggsyB on December 16, 2022, 10:28:23 PM
The game plan was spot-on tonight although some of our guys forced off the bounce.  I'm just concerned that at some point we'll have to knock down these open looks and attacks at the rim.
Title: Re: Average post game drivel.
Post by: brewcity77 on December 16, 2022, 10:37:42 PM
Creighton started out hot, then we dropped a 19-2 run on them and it was over. Defense was awesome. Got to 90% of the defensive boards. Offense was actually pretty poor, but it didn't have to be great. The only disappoinment is that when the lead frittered down, it went from 18 to 11 instead of 25 to 18, because the way we dominated them it should've been more lopsided.
Title: Re: Average post game drivel.
Post by: pbiflyer on December 16, 2022, 10:38:08 PM
Stevie is such a fun energy on this team too. He's not the most important player and maybe not top 5. But he plays exactly the way Shaka wants. And that dunk was great

Both his and OMax dunks seemed to defy gravity. They hung in the air longer than I thought they would.

And shout out to tower for the best title yet!
Title: Re: Average post game drivel.
Post by: GoldenEagles03 on December 16, 2022, 10:39:27 PM
Both his and OMax dunks seemed to defy gravity. They hung in the air longer than I thought they would.

Shaka postgame said that Stevie's dunk was "much better than Kam's" lol. Love this team.
Title: Re: Average post game drivel.
Post by: Elonsmusk on December 16, 2022, 10:39:55 PM
That's about as dominant of an 11 point win as you can have.  That game easily could have been MU by 25.  Joplin may be the most maddening player I recall in some time.  It's like it is the best of times and worst of times with him.  Hopefully he keeps working hard with Todd Smith to improve his athleticism.

O-Max is playing really well.  Shaka is the real deal.  But.  5 years to judge.  Ode to the Bailbondmen.
Title: Re: Average post game drivel.
Post by: DoctorV on December 16, 2022, 10:52:01 PM
That's about as dominant of an 11 point win as you can have.  That game easily could have been MU by 25.  Joplin may be the most maddening player I recall in some time.  It's like it is the best of times and worst of times with him.  Hopefully he keeps working hard with Todd Smith to improve his athleticism.

O-Max is playing really well.  Shaka is the real deal.  But.  5 years to judge.  Ode to the Bailbondmen.

If you think Joplin is maddening as they come, think back to anyone not named Markus or Sam under Wojo.

OMax was awesome today imo.
There were several difficult buckets that he got that previous omax wouldn’t have.
He’s not forcing anything either.

Changing my tune in him, love what I’m seeing.
Title: Re: Average post game drivel.
Post by: pbiflyer on December 16, 2022, 10:57:10 PM
It was funny, after watching the Mississippi State game in Ft Myers, my son, who was not a huge bball aficionado, said OMax was his favorite player, liked the way he played. Good eye kid.
Title: Re: Average post game drivel.
Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on December 16, 2022, 10:58:01 PM
Wasn’t the prettiest game but these guys are good. Exciting stuff.
Title: Re: Average post game drivel.
Post by: brewcity77 on December 16, 2022, 11:10:26 PM
Wasn’t the prettiest game but these guys are good. Exciting stuff.

We did not play well. Missed open shots, poor finishing at the rim. And we won by double digits. I'll take it.
Title: Re: Average post game drivel.
Post by: DoctorV on December 16, 2022, 11:13:49 PM
We did not play well. Missed open shots, poor finishing at the rim. And we won by double digits. I'll take it.

Don’t agree Brew.

I think Marquette played very well.

They were down like 7/8 points at the near 10 min mark in the 1H and never looked back.

It was the ease that impressed me.
That’s a well coached Creighton team, a team that Shaka couldn’t crack last year.
Title: Re: Average post game drivel.
Post by: Its DJOver on December 16, 2022, 11:15:59 PM
Our leading scorer on the season had 9 points on 11 shots. Efficient night for Oso and Omax made up for it. Turnover margin was huge.
Title: Re: Average post game drivel.
Post by: DoctorV on December 16, 2022, 11:20:45 PM
Our leading scorer on the season had 9 points on 11 shots. Efficient night for Oso and Omax made up for it. Turnover margin was huge.

Whos our leading scorer?
Title: Re: Average post game drivel.
Post by: Its DJOver on December 16, 2022, 11:22:52 PM
Whos our leading scorer?

On the season, Kam. And he had 9 points on 11 shots, although a couple of those layups were begging to fall.
Title: Re: Average post game drivel.
Post by: Ellenson Guerrero on December 16, 2022, 11:24:26 PM
Don’t agree Brew.

I think Marquette played very well.

They were down like 7/8 points at the near 10 min mark in the 1H and never looked back.

It was the ease that impressed me.
That’s a well coached Creighton team, a team that Shaka couldn’t crack last year.

I think the biggest deficit was 6. Unfortunately, I think this game says more about Creighton than it does about us. We played poorly and Creighton couldn’t find a way to keep it close. Nembhard has to be better for them and other guys need to step up regardless of whether Kalkbrenner is in the lineup. That is the one great thing about this MU team; we aren’t completely reliant on one player. Even Ben Gold showed tonight he can carry some minutes if Oso is out.
Title: Re: Average post game drivel.
Post by: MUfan12 on December 16, 2022, 11:28:18 PM
I think the biggest deficit was 6. Unfortunately, I think this game says more about Creighton than it does about us. We played poorly and Creighton couldn’t find a way to keep it close.

*Played poorly on offense. Defense was fantastic after the first 10.

I'm really impressed with the way they handled an off shooting night. Heads didn't drop. They just kept wearing them down.
Title: Re: Average post game drivel.
Post by: DoctorV on December 16, 2022, 11:29:39 PM
I think the biggest deficit was 6. Unfortunately, I think this game says more about Creighton than it does about us. We played poorly and Creighton couldn’t find a way to keep it close. Nembhard has to be better for them and other guys need to step up regardless of whether Kalkbrenner is in the lineup. That is the one great thing about this MU team; we aren’t completely reliant on one player. Even Ben Gold showed tonight he can carry some minutes if Oso is out.

Take a step back and think about is comment.

I get what brew is saying about Creighton being overvalued.

This was a top 5/10 team before this losing streak.
This is a top predicted team in the BE.

Will they finish there?
Who cares.
Keep winning and it won’t matta
Title: Re: Average post game drivel.
Post by: Ellenson Guerrero on December 16, 2022, 11:36:30 PM
Take a step back and think about is comment.

I get what brew is saying about Creighton being overvalued.

This was a top 5/10 team before this losing streak.
This is a top predicted team in the BE.

Will they finish there?
Who cares.
Keep winning and it won’t matta

They’ve lost 6 in a row for a reason. Creighton’s offensive holes are being exposed. It isn’t a knock on our guys to point out that this win doesn’t look as good as it would have a month ago. I hope Creighton rights the ship, but this may just go down as an average Big East win. That I’ll still take.
Title: Re: Average post game drivel.
Post by: ChitownSpaceForRent on December 16, 2022, 11:37:21 PM
I giggled when I was perusing twitter and saw someone say will Shaka jump to another big time gig.

Means we’re doing something right if the coaching rumor mill is getting fired up again for the first time in ages.
Title: Re: Average post game drivel.
Post by: brewcity77 on December 16, 2022, 11:37:44 PM
Don’t agree Brew.

I think Marquette played very well.

They were down like 7/8 points at the near 10 min mark in the 1H and never looked back.

It was the ease that impressed me.
That’s a well coached Creighton team, a team that Shaka couldn’t crack last year.

Our defense played well. Our offense didn't remotely play well. Creighton was also abysmal offensively. We did help that, but with a competent offensive showing we win by 25. They really miss Kalkbrenner, especially Nembhard who is impotent without a marginally competent pick and roll partner.
Title: Re: Average post game drivel.
Post by: MU82 on December 17, 2022, 12:30:12 AM
Our defense played well. Our offense didn't remotely play well. Creighton was also abysmal offensively. We did help that, but with a competent offensive showing we win by 25. They really miss Kalkbrenner, especially Nembhard who is impotent without a marginally competent pick and roll partner.

This makes sense. Definitely played well defensively. Also did a good job getting the ball inside on offense, even if we struggled finishing during some stretches. Obviously no Kalkbrenner made it easier to go at their interior D, but that's life.

I'll take it!
Title: Re: Average post game drivel.
Post by: GoldenEagles03 on December 17, 2022, 01:29:10 AM
Means nothing because of the margin and result, but Marquette didn't score for about the final 4 minutes.

Score ended up looking respectable for Creighton.
Title: Re: Average post game drivel.
Post by: JakeBarnes on December 17, 2022, 01:37:43 AM
Ben Gold was a handful on defense today. Fun to see him grow a bit each game.

Title: Re: Average post game drivel.
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on December 17, 2022, 02:11:13 AM
Means nothing because of the margin and result, but Marquette didn't score for about the final 4 minutes.

Score ended up looking respectable for Creighton.

Even with not scoring in the last 4 or so minutes, Creighton didn't make the score look respectable until they hung 7 points on the walk ons.
Title: Re: Average post game drivel.
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on December 17, 2022, 02:14:53 AM
Those saying MU didn't play well only see one side of the ball. One of our best defensive games of the season.

I know King had a monster stat line, but I didn't come away impressed with him. I felt like we decided pre-gam that King couldn't beat us and we were willing to leave him open in exchange for limiting their main 4 players. He will get there certainly, but I think his big game (and his big game against Arizona State) were more about the defense deciding that limiting the Big 4 was more important than defending him.
Title: Re: Average post game drivel.
Post by: Frenns Liquor Depot on December 17, 2022, 06:09:01 AM
I don’t know how anyone can spin this into not being a positive. 

We were picked to be in the bottom quartile of the big east.  We struggled with decisively winning these types of winnable games in the past. We played with energy, depth and as a team on both ends.

I’m thrilled with how they looked last night.   
Title: Re: Average post game drivel.
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on December 17, 2022, 06:41:33 AM
I don’t know how anyone can spin this into not being a positive. 

We were picked to be in the bottom quartile of the big east.  We struggled with decisively winning these types of winnable games in the past. We played with energy, depth and as a team on both ends.

I’m thrilled with how they looked last night.

Exactly, MU for the 2nd game in a row, showed a half court game with over 50 PIP+FGM. After a slow start where Creighton was challenging every first dribble, MU adjusted and was just looking for every mismatch.

One of my favorite called plays was just pulling the ball back and letting Sean go 1:1. I thought Shaka did a great job using his bench and substitution patterns.

Echo TAMU on D.  Best BE DEff game since Jan 6, 2019 versus X.  Best in Shaka's tenure in conference play.

While the majority of posters say Oso for stud, I thought OMax was a handful, especially in the paint. Didn't miss. 133 ORating, 6 boards. And Oso was having trouble guarding King. (Btw, is 3 seconds still in the rule book?).
Title: Re: Average post game drivel.
Post by: tower912 on December 17, 2022, 06:44:30 AM
brew, the fact that MU got all of those misses at the rim means the offense was doing exactly what it is supposed to.     Defensively, MU took away everything but King.     
So, make more of the lay ups the offense generated and pay a little more attention to King, and this is Baylor.

A good start to the conference season
Title: Re: Average post game drivel.
Post by: mug644 on December 17, 2022, 07:07:27 AM
3. Joplin is not at his best off the dribble.

I am concerned about Jop. Tower and others have mentioned, and I've seen it too, that he seems frustrated in his role. I think he realizes (and it probably being told) that his weaknesses on the defensive end are keeping him off the floor, but when he's playing, he looks to be trying to prove himself especially on the offensive end. While Kam has diversified the game and is letting this come to him, I see Jop trying to force his game. Tonight's numerous dribble drives or back in dribbles were (all?) unsuccessful and unnecessary.

I don't see Shaka giving up on him, and maybe he just needs another solid, across the board, performance, but I see him getting squeezed out of some playing time.

I really hope his defensive comes around and he relaxes in offense, as I believe he can be a strong player this season and beyond.

Ben Gold was a handful on defense today. Fun to see him grow a bit each game.

That moment in the first half where Sheierman hit the step back three at the end of the shot clock over Gold seemed to irk him. At the other end of the floor Gold countered with a three of his own, then got an impressive block (keeping it in bounds and straight to an MU player). That was a nice stretch from him. I'm looking forward to him having more of those.
Title: Re: Average post game drivel.
Post by: Uncle Rico on December 17, 2022, 07:12:55 AM
Probably the worst win I’ve seen Marquette post in my lifetime.  I really don’t think the future is bright and have a lot of questions about what Shaka is doing.  An 11-point win at home to open the Big East season against Creighton, a Johnnya-come-lately, is hardly anything to be excited about.

On offense, we missed some easy shots.  I’ve never seen a good team miss shots, especially bunnies.  Do the coaches coach shooting?  Free throws?  Guys need to make 100 in a row before they leave practice.

On defense, I don’t take anything from this game.  Kalky was out and the committee will remember that and knock us 6-7 seeds.  Creighton ran up and down the court and had easy shots all game.  Terrible effort
Title: Re: Average post game drivel.
Post by: PE8983 on December 17, 2022, 07:22:18 AM
Right after Gold’s nice short run, he got subbed out for some reason.  Couldn’t understand it…
Title: Re: Average post game drivel.
Post by: Uncle Rico on December 17, 2022, 07:23:39 AM
Right after Gold’s nice short run, he got subbed out for some reason.  Couldn’t understand it…

Shaka is plying mind games. 
Title: Re: Average post game drivel.
Post by: Newsdreams on December 17, 2022, 07:26:41 AM
I don’t know how anyone can spin this into not being a positive.

We were picked to be in the bottom quartile of the big east.  We struggled with decisively winning these types of winnable games in the past. We played with energy, depth and as a team on both ends.

I’m thrilled with how they looked last night.
Scoop special
Title: Re: Average post game drivel.
Post by: Newsdreams on December 17, 2022, 07:29:02 AM
I am concerned about Jop. Tower and others have mentioned, and I've seen it too, that he seems frustrated in his role. I think he realizes (and it probably being told) that his weaknesses on the defensive end are keeping him off the floor, but when he's playing, he looks to be trying to prove himself especially on the offensive end. While Kam has diversified the game and is letting this come to him, I see Jop trying to force his game. Tonight's numerous dribble drives or back in dribbles were (all?) unsuccessful and unnecessary.

I don't see Shaka giving up on him, and maybe he just needs another solid, across the board, performance, but I see him getting squeezed out of some playing time.

I really hope his defensive comes around and he relaxes in offense, as I believe he can be a strong player this season and beyond.

That moment in the first half where Sheierman hit the step back three at the end of the shot clock over Gold seemed to irk him. At the other end of the floor Gold countered with a three of his own, then got an impressive block (keeping it in bounds and straight to an MU player). That was a nice stretch from him. I'm looking forward to him having more of those.
No worries about him, he is transferring.
Title: Re: Average post game drivel.
Post by: Uncle Rico on December 17, 2022, 07:31:24 AM
No worries about him, he is transferring.

He’s not a white guy, so that’s fine
Title: Re: Average post game drivel.
Post by: willie warrior on December 17, 2022, 07:35:17 AM
Our program is so much better than 2 years ago
What??Have we forgotten Wojo already?
Title: Re: Average post game drivel.
Post by: Uncle Rico on December 17, 2022, 07:37:00 AM
What??Have we forgotten Wojo already?

No, he recruited Kam and Oso to Marquette
Title: Re: Average post game drivel.
Post by: brewcity77 on December 17, 2022, 07:48:03 AM
brew, the fact that MU got all of those misses at the rim means the offense was doing exactly what it is supposed to.     Defensively, MU took away everything but King.     
So, make more of the lay ups the offense generated and pay a little more attention to King, and this is Baylor.

A good start to the conference season

It's fine, but the execution definitely wasn't there. This defensive effort will give them a chance most nights, but like the team said earlier, we want more.

I get that most people are happily surprised by this team. They saw a 9th placed team that is overachieving. I always thought this was a top-half team, a potential league contender, and better than Creighton. I'm happy seeing them meet expectations, but I'm still hoping to see them exceed expectations. Baylor was that. Last night was not.

Great defense, good result, but nothing that moves the dial for me.
Title: Re: Average post game drivel.
Post by: rocket surgeon on December 17, 2022, 07:49:23 AM
if those are serious comments on jop transferring, i hope they aren't true for the reasons suggested.  if shaka thinks his defense needs work, jop better take notice how many in the basketball world buttered their bread-DEFENSE, right jimmy?

  he's got the tools.  now he just needs to put in the work.  go forth young man and bone up on the "D" we know you can shoot the rock
Title: Re: Average post game drivel.
Post by: fjm on December 17, 2022, 07:52:16 AM
if those are serious comments on jop transferring, i hope they aren't true for the reasons suggested.  if shaka thinks his defense needs work, jop better take notice how many in the basketball world buttered their bread-DEFENSE, right jimmy?

  he's got the tools.  now he just needs to put in the work.  go forth young man and bone up on the "D" we know you can shoot the rock

They are not serious. They just trollin and busting chops. :)
Title: Re: Average post game drivel.
Post by: NCMUFan on December 17, 2022, 07:54:23 AM
Good game.
A win is a win.
Get ready for Providence like they did against Notre Dame.
Go Marquette!
Title: Re: Average post game drivel.
Post by: rocket surgeon on December 17, 2022, 07:56:48 AM
They are not serious. They just trollin and busting chops. :)

  figured as such, but just thought i'd use it for my point.  plus mom and dad would probably ground him having to give up their front row tix 15 minutes from home 8-)
Title: Re: Average post game drivel.
Post by: The Lens on December 17, 2022, 07:57:13 AM
The really funny thing is that MU won by double digits.    And scoop is disappointed.  Yes, there are always lessons to be learned.

But point 1 holds.  If MU had made half the layups they missed, this is a laugher.

Disappointed?  I’m freaking ecstatic.  The only thing I’m disappointed in we lost 7 years due to incompetence.  The past 1.5 are showing how much fun it can be when #mubb plays like #mubb.  Leading with defense, leading with effort, leading with accountability.  We’re in such a good place and I am so thankful. 

Let’s roll. 
Title: Re: Average post game drivel.
Post by: Uncle Rico on December 17, 2022, 07:58:04 AM
The Aristocrats
Title: Re: Average post game drivel.
Post by: mileskishnish72 on December 17, 2022, 08:02:31 AM
Every day is a new joy.


Gauntlet means huge game at the Dunk on Tuesday

The Dunk be gowne. Same place, different sponsor - Amica?
Title: Re: Average post game drivel.
Post by: rocket surgeon on December 17, 2022, 08:18:56 AM
  the only thing i got wrong was, the game wasn't as tight as i expected for the first 30 minutes or so. with the exception of creighton hitting a couple of uncontested shots at the end, my predicted double digit win was money! 

     i like how shaka teams tend to hold their leads and not turn into white knucklers or worse like wojo teams.  other than wearing teams out both psychological and physically with our relentless defense, we need to finish a little stronger at the rim.  shaka has got a nice rotation of players who all know their roles-will be interesting to see how ready any of the others are if/when we lose any of the cogs in this wheel.

  who are the next in line to step into rotation if lose a mitch, cam, ty, oso, seany??
Title: Re: Average post game drivel.
Post by: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on December 17, 2022, 08:38:14 AM
That's about as dominant of an 11 point win as you can have.  That game easily could have been MU by 25.  Joplin may be the most maddening player I recall in some time.  It's like it is the best of times and worst of times with him.  Hopefully he keeps working hard with Todd Smith to improve his athleticism.

O-Max is playing really well.  Shaka is the real deal.  But.  5 years to judge.  Ode to the Bailbondmen.

Joplin has been this way the last couple of games. Even the best of times come with mediocre defense. And the worst of times…. Well I would rather see more OMax. 
Title: Re: Average post game drivel.
Post by: tower912 on December 17, 2022, 08:42:41 AM
Joplin is playing like he thinks he has to be instant offense.   He can be.  But right now he is forcing it.   Shaka talks about he spends a lot of time coaching Jop.   My hope is that he has a revelation like Kam did and stops forcing and starts flowing with the offense.
Title: Re: Average post game drivel.
Post by: Goose on December 17, 2022, 09:05:19 AM
Joplin is trying too hard to get to the basket, imo. I am sure he has seen the success Kam has had and is he is looking for same success. While he can be frustrating to watch on occasion, I feel he will be play a big role moving forward this season.
Title: Re: Average post game drivel.
Post by: THRILLHO on December 17, 2022, 09:23:28 AM
Joplin is trying too hard to get to the basket, imo. I am sure he has seen the success Kam has had and is he is looking for same success. While he can be frustrating to watch on occasion, I feel he will be play a big role moving forward this season.

This was my feeling too -- and he's committing early to shooting, making it easier to defend him. Maybe he's thinking he'll go for contact and get fouled, but right now it's not being called. Kam is surprisingly good at finding teammates when he drives and he can't find a route to a good shot. It's been a real revelation for me. Jop needs to do 1 of 2 things: get better at seeing guys while he's driving like Kam, or get better at recognizing the drive isn't there and backing out. But it's a luxury that he can experiment like this mid-season on a winning team and hopefully he'll figure it out for the late season.
Title: Re: Average post game drivel.
Post by: NCMUFan on December 17, 2022, 09:27:44 AM
Joplin is a good additional scoring option when the starting 5 shots are not falling.
Defense is very important, but you still need to put some basketballs through the basket.
Title: Re: Average post game drivel.
Post by: Goose on December 17, 2022, 09:31:23 AM
Thrill

Once Joplin realizes hitting the open guy is the best option it will open things up for him. So far this season he is really the only guy that has failed to find the open guy before he gets in trouble. The kid is going to be very good and the sooner he figures it out the better fit everyone.
Title: Re: Average post game drivel.
Post by: lawdog77 on December 17, 2022, 09:44:01 AM
The walk-ons have played against Baylor (Top 5), Notre Dame (hated rival at their place), and Creighton (at one point Top 10). Pretty good experience for those kids.
Title: Re: Average post game drivel.
Post by: tower912 on December 17, 2022, 09:45:46 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h-tcrrOnLRk

Shaka

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jac5csjPSzA

Oso and Stevie
Title: Re: Average post game drivel.
Post by: Viper on December 17, 2022, 09:45:53 AM
Shoot to get hot shoot to stay hot
Title: Re: Average post game drivel.
Post by: GoldenEagles03 on December 17, 2022, 09:50:04 AM
Joplin has been this way the last couple of games. Even the best of times come with mediocre defense. And the worst of times…. Well I would rather see more OMax.

I'm not worried about Joppy, just hard on him because I think he can be so good.

This might make some heads turn.

https://twitter.com/CBBAnalytics/status/1603766817008529411?t=WrgOGQ_H_xdxH_9wFBb5MA&s=19
Title: Re: Average post game drivel.
Post by: TSmith34, Inc. on December 17, 2022, 09:51:14 AM
Joplin is trying too hard to get to the basket, imo. I am sure he has seen the success Kam has had and is he is looking for same success. While he can be frustrating to watch on occasion, I feel he will be play a big role moving forward this season.
Skaka spoke post-game about the goal this year being the team that improves the most in-season. Joplin can get there.
Title: Re: Average post game drivel.
Post by: Goose on December 17, 2022, 09:53:53 AM
I cannot get too much of Omax. He us getting better every game and if he gets the outside shot to fall more consistently, the inside opens even more for him. That guy is equally good with both hands by the basket and that is tough to defend.

Have to say, his dunk last night was 100% what I envisioned his game to look like this season. He is a gifted athlete and a basketball player, which is my kind of combination.
Title: Re: Average post game drivel.
Post by: JakeBarnes on December 17, 2022, 10:01:47 AM
I cannot get too much of Omax. He us getting better every game and if he gets the outside shot to fall more consistently, the inside opens even more for him. That guy is equally good with both hands by the basket and that is tough to defend.

Have to say, his dunk last night was 100% what I envisioned his game to look like this season. He is a gifted athlete and a basketball player, which is my kind of combination.

Same Goose. Shot is a bit behind where I hoped it would be, but the stroke looks good.
Title: Re: Average post game drivel.
Post by: tower912 on December 17, 2022, 10:06:51 AM
I cannot get too much of Omax. He us getting better every game and if he gets the outside shot to fall more consistently, the inside opens even more for him. That guy is equally good with both hands by the basket and that is tough to defend.

Have to say, his dunk last night was 100% what I envisioned his game to look like this season. He is a gifted athlete and a basketball player, which is my kind of combination.

I said over the summer I thought he had NBA potential.    Needs consistency on his 3 pt shooting.    Other than that.....
Title: Re: Average post game drivel.
Post by: Newsdreams on December 17, 2022, 10:09:55 AM
They are not serious. They just trollin and busting chops. :)
As serious as can be...
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Post by: Uncle Rico on December 17, 2022, 10:17:58 AM
As serious as can be...

He gowne.  Done deal
Title: Re: Average post game drivel.
Post by: Newsdreams on December 17, 2022, 10:19:13 AM
  figured as such, but just thought i'd use it for my point.  plus mom and dad would probably ground him having to give up their front row tix 15 minutes from home 8-)
I was grounded before writing Jop's post
Title: Re: Average post game drivel.
Post by: MarquetteDano on December 17, 2022, 10:22:57 AM
Regarding Jop,  defenders are running him off the three point line more.  It makes sense as he is not too quick nor is a above the rim finisher.  He isn't going to out-athlete most defenders so needs to find another way.

I think he needs to learn to score near the basket using his body more and be a more more crafty around the basket like you see Jones do.

Hopefully he will figure it out.  I hope it doesn't take an offseason to improve on that part of his game.

Title: Re: Average post game drivel.
Post by: Milkshakes on December 17, 2022, 10:23:33 AM
Stevie’s dunk was so great. Every time I see it I get a little nervous that he is actually going to clear the rim.  Loved it!
Title: Re: Average post game drivel.
Post by: Goose on December 17, 2022, 10:28:11 AM
Dano

I think down the road Joplin is going to be an in the paint scoring machine. Once he learns how to get in position and use his body it will all break loose. IMO, the kid loves to score, and can score, down the road he is going to love scoring down low. I mentioned awhile ago he reminds of Dwayne Johnson when he is down low and DJ could deliver in the paint.

Again, I think he will end being a better two point scorer than three point scorer. Scorers love to score and many ways to do it.
Title: Re: Average post game drivel.
Post by: The Lens on December 17, 2022, 10:33:56 AM
Jop needs to realize Wes / Jimmy / Lazar / Jae all made a lot of money playing bigger than they were.  It’s not about being Ray Allen it’s about being indispensable.  As Goose said, get in the lane, use your frame, get some buckets.  Do the same on D.  Be our best rebounder.  Defend the post.  He'll always have that 3 point shot.  If he focuses on everything else, he'll make a lot of money.
Title: Re: Average post game drivel.
Post by: Uncle Rico on December 17, 2022, 10:37:01 AM
Considering Joplin is a fifth-year senior and not a year and a half into his Marquette career, I doubt he’ll get better
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Post by: tower912 on December 17, 2022, 10:42:31 AM
I think we all see what can be with Jop.  I think we are all looking forward to it.   Right now we are watching the sausage getting made.    To bring back yet another cliche, respect the process.
Title: Re: Average post game drivel.
Post by: JakeBarnes on December 17, 2022, 10:55:37 AM
I think we all see what can be with Jop.  I think we are all looking forward to it.   Right now we are watching the sausage getting made.    To bring back yet another cliche, respect the process.

It's nice to be able to enjoy success because you see tangible growth through the season so far while also respecting the process. This team is definitely headed the right way under Shaka.
Title: Re: Average post game drivel.
Post by: Uncle Rico on December 17, 2022, 11:07:42 AM
It's nice to be able to enjoy success because you see tangible growth through the season so far while also respecting the process. This team is definitely headed the right way under Shaka.

Bingo.  I’m not remotely worried about Jop not getting better.  Shaka wanted him at Texas for a reason
Title: Re: Average post game drivel.
Post by: Viper on December 17, 2022, 11:37:18 AM
I cannot get too much of Omax. He us getting better every game and if he gets the outside shot to fall more consistently, the inside opens even more for him. That guy is equally good with both hands by the basket and that is tough to defend.

Have to say, his dunk last night was 100% what I envisioned his game to look like this season. He is a gifted athlete and a basketball player, which is my kind of combination.
if this team stays together and incoming reinforcements are solid, I see 23/24 being really big-time. ND, RED, come get some!
Title: Re: Average post game drivel.
Post by: Shooter McGavin on December 17, 2022, 03:27:56 PM
I cannot get too much of Omax. He us getting better every game and if he gets the outside shot to fall more consistently, the inside opens even more for him. That guy is equally good with both hands by the basket and that is tough to defend.

Have to say, his dunk last night was 100% what I envisioned his game to look like this season. He is a gifted athlete and a basketball player, which is my kind of combination.

Yep. Really impressive how under control he is with the drives.  The game has slowed down for him.  Great finisher at the rim with either hand and through contact.  He is developing nicely and has definitely put himself in the conversation for being an NBA draft pick at some point. Some more consistency with the three as you and Tower said and he becomes unstoppable at the collegiate level.