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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: tower912 on December 11, 2022, 04:56:06 PM
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1. Defense travels. Switching all 5 positions. What MU has done really well over the last two seasons is switch big for small off the ball. Trying to avoid more Sean Jones getting posted up.
2. I love the 9 man rotation. They all are playing d. (see 1)
3. Joplin wants to score so badly that he is out of control. Just a dumb play. Watching his body language lately, he is frustrated.
4. Kam, on the other hand, is not. Have yourself a game, young man.
5. Keep kvetching, but Stevie has Shaka's trust (for good reason) and will continue to start.
6. 9 man rotation. Three juniors, three sophomores, three. freshmen. Only one has more than 1 season at MU. Ponder that.
7. I am impressed by the freshmen. The game was put away by the starters
8. Putting in the walk-ons on the road because it is in the bag. Priceless.
9. Few things sweeter.
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I love kicking the piss out of Notre Dame.
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Notre dame is an astonishingly bad defensive unit. That was an awesome performance from us but man, they make some Wojo defensive performances look gritty.
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Team is much better than given credit for. Mississippi, Purdue, and Wisconsin will compete for the conference’s titles. Our non-con is going to look like an absolute gauntlet in March.
Let’s go hammer the Big East.
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Yeah I love the freshmen but they weren’t great in the second half today. Stevie was good.
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In memory, have the walk-ons ever played in a ND game, especially in South Bend?
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Celebrating with a beer…and NO, Joe Montana, it’s not a Guinness!
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Celebrating with a beer…and NO, Joe Montana, it’s not a Guinness!
Better be a fine Milwaukee brew!
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Dr. Blackheart’s must win post was one of the best things written on this board in 10 years. And I guarantee Shaka would agree with everything he said. It was time for the rubber to hit the road and it showed. This program is being built right.
Let’s make some real noise in the Big East. We’re back.
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Oso with 16 and 18.
Kam and Omax are so much under control than the beginning of the season. Much better decision-making and shot selection and you can see it in the results.
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Shaka ball gives up too many easy garbage time 3’s up 15+
Just kidding - great win.
Sean Jones played about the right amount of time.
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They all played well, very few TOs and great defense!
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1. Defense travels. Switching all 5 positions. What MU has done really well over the last two seasons is switch big for small off the ball. Trying to avoid more Sean Jones getting posted up.
2. I love the 9 man rotation. They all are playing d. (see 1)
3. Joplin wants to score so badly that he is out of control. Just a dumb play. Watching his body language lately, he is frustrated.
4. Kam, on the other hand, is not. Have yourself a game, young man.
5. Keep kvetching, but Stevie has Shaka's trust (for good reason) and will continue to start.
6. 9 man rotation. Three juniors, three sophomores, three. freshmen. Only one has more than 1 season at MU. Ponder that.
7. I am impressed by the freshmen. The game was put away by the starters
8. Putting in the walk-ons on the road because it is in the bag. Priceless.
9. Few things sweeter.
Your #1 was mine as well, UNTIL the walk-ons came in.
Walk-ons playing at ND? No. 1 by a mile.
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Gotta thank the refs for getting Jop off the floor. He’ll have better days.
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In memory, have the walk-ons ever played in a ND game, especially in South Bend?
I remember 2008 we blew them out pretty good at the BC.
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ND isn't great but this still was an extremely strong performance by the Warriors.
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Well. That was the last of the cupcakes.
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Team is much better than given credit for. Mississippi, Purdue, and Wisconsin will compete for the conference’s titles. Our non-con is going to look like an absolute gauntlet in March.
Let’s go hammer the Big East.
Miss state.
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Good win. Top 3 in BE is a legit goal.
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In memory, have the walk-ons ever played in a ND game, especially in South Bend?
We should make it a new holiday tradition.
An annual match-up just makes too much sense.
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Miss state.
Right
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Vastly improved overall team from a year ago in the NC portion of the schedule. Team defense is very much improved, playing with a purpose vs just playing hard. Hats off to the team, the staff and the system for a very nice NC run. Now, time to show the BE we are not a 9th place team. Fxxk ‘em.
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I love Shaka. That is all.
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I love kicking the piss out of Notre Dame.
Yeah, that was effen fun!
I loved the way the team responded after the flagrant on Joplin. It was still very much a game at that point and things could have gone the other way. But we took control again right away with stifling defense and real nice team-first work on offense.
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Good road win for the team. We are a terrible matchup for Notre Dame. Kam played like the budding superstar he is, Kolek solid, Oso was fantastic. Yet, I still didn't feel like we played an "A" game - and not complaining. Just highlighting that this team has a lot of upside to where you play a "B" game on the road against a rival and are up 20 with 3 minutes left.
BTW - 24 year old Cormac Ryan...Kolek got the last laugh on you by thoroughly outplaying you - after your tool move of the "too small" gesture. Comical coming from Cormac..not exactly Giannis.
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Vastly improved overall team from a year ago in the NC portion of the schedule. Team defense is very much improved, playing with a purpose vs just playing hard. Hats off to the team, the staff and the system for a very nice NC run. Now, time to show the BE we are not a 9th place team. Fxxk ‘em.
Goose,
MU with only three turns today.
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When do we have to start worrying about Oso declaring for the draft after this season?
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Well. That was the last of the cupcakes.
Very nice.
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When do we have to start worrying about Oso declaring for the draft after this season?
When he shoots a 3 and shoots above 40% from the line.
He probably should declare. But he should also probably return after he gets the feedback to develop some scoring outside of 5 feet if his goal is the NBA.
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When do we have to start worrying about Oso declaring for the draft after this season?
Knowing Scoop, after he played 19 minutes as a frosh
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Muggsy
This is team that bought into a system and it is showing. Team defense is getting better and better, they seldom force shots and are 9 guys deep. Shaka might know what he is doing.
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Goose,
MU with only three turns today.
Amen. And Oso with 18 boards. MU won the paint in a slow tempo game. Not a great three point shooting game but went right at it.
Oh, and Kam is an Alpha.
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Dr. B
Kam is an alpha, no doubt about that.
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Vastly improved overall team from a year ago in the NC portion of the schedule. Team defense is very much improved, playing with a purpose vs just playing hard. Hats off to the team, the staff and the system for a very nice NC run. Now, time to show the BE we are not a 9th place team. Fxxk ‘em.
Absolutely agree with you, Goose.
We are playing so much better going into the conference season, and I hope we get off to a lot better start than we did last December.
I'm already thinking we take out Creighton!
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Muggsy
This is team that bought into a system and it is showing. Team defense is getting better and better, they seldom force shots and are 9 guys deep. Shaka might know what he is doing.
This is a telling stat for me. Wojo teams did not value the rock imo. Our shot selection was really good this afternoon. Great patience. I thought the early back-door in the 2H to Stevie was a brilliant call by Shaka.
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Can’t remember the last time I had this positive an outlook for the program. What Shaka has done his first two years, with the relatively unheralded talent he’s brought in, is nothing short of impressive.
We’re very lucky to have him. Now let’s get better as the season goes on
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The Hound
The current guys still have upside in their games and recruiting will get better every year in regard to talent. It is fun watching player development, especially during the season. But, now they need to win in BE and win in March.
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I love the distinct personalities and the unique game of our guys. Shaka has recruited a team with so many disparate talents.
Compare that to ND where almost every player was the same as the next guy. Only a couple tools in their tool bag as compared to Marquette.
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Only a couple tools in their tool bag as compared to Marquette.
I thought there were plenty of tools on ND.
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And the “must win game” crew can put their season defibrillators back in storage for the next time they over-react….
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And the “must win game” crew can put their season defibrillators back in storage for the next time they over-react….
Friday is a must win. But for real, it’d be nice to get off on the right foot. MU is 2-7 in conference openers in Big East with lots of blowouts.
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The Hound
The current guys still have upside in their games and recruiting will get better every year in regard to talent. It is fun watching player development, especially during the season. But, now they need to win in BE and win in March.
Yes, a nice run in the BET would be nice for a change.
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I thought there were plenty of tools on ND.
Touche wc.
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I thought there were plenty of tools on ND.
Congrats on winning today’s internet, chick.
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I thought there were plenty of tools on ND.
Always has been, always will be. F**k 'em.
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I thought there were plenty of tools on ND.
As soon as I clicked 'post', I thought "OK, who's it gonna be?"
Shoulda known it would be you. :)
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Warrior69
It is time to raise the bar. No excuses.
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I love the distinct personalities and the unique game of our guys. Shaka has recruited a team with so many disparate talents.
Compare that to ND where almost every player was the same as the next guy. Only a couple tools in their tool bag as compared to Marquette.
Thanks to Wojo for recruiting three of our starters.
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Watching the Mike Brey presser right now.
He said that Marquette gave ND such a "butt-whooping" that it should have counted for 2 losses.
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Watching the Mike Brey presser right now.
He said that Marquette gave ND such a "butt-whooping" that it should have counted for 2 losses.
Inform Kenpom
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Gee that’s too bad.
Notre Dame inducted former Fighting Irish standout John Shumate, a two-time All American from 1971-74, into its Ring of Honor at halftime. ;D
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Gee that’s too bad.
Notre Dame inducted former Fighting Irish standout John Shumate, a two-time All American from 1971-74, into its Ring of Honor at halftime. ;D
Lol.
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Today was the best case scenario for Notre Dame. Slowed the pace to 61 possessions (our previous low was 66 at Purdue) and killed us beyond the arc (40% to 26.1%). That was their recipe for success and they still lost by 15.
We won because we didn't turn it over, got almost 40% of our misses back, and were awesome inside. We won at their pace playing how they wanted us to. That was a delicious chaser after how poorly that Wisconsin shot went down.
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Today was the best case scenario for Notre Dame. Slowed the pace to 61 possessions (our previous low was 66 at Purdue) and killed us beyond the arc (40% to 26.1%). That was their recipe for success and they still lost by 15.
We won because we didn't turn it over, got almost 40% of our misses back, and were awesome inside. We won at their pace playing how they wanted us to. That was a delicious chaser after how poorly that Wisconsin shot went down.
MU was able to switch every pick and ND couldn't make them pay. They have nobody who can break down a defense, so even getting Oso on a guard wasn't much of a problem.
Their future looks pretty bleak if they can't go more than seven deep with that roster.
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MU was able to switch every pick and ND couldn't make them pay. They have nobody who can break down a defense, so even getting Oso on a guard wasn't much of a problem.
Their future looks pretty bleak if they can't go more than seven deep with that roster.
They'll need to look elsewhere for the future as 4 of those 7 are playing their fifth year of eligibility.
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They'll need to look elsewhere for the future as 4 of those 7 are playing their fifth year of eligibility.
Yeah I know. When you are hanging your hat on "experience," and that experience isn't all that good, it makes for a long season.
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MU was able to switch every pick and ND couldn't make them pay. They have nobody who can break down a defense, so even getting Oso on a guard wasn't much of a problem.
Their future looks pretty bleak if they can't go more than seven deep with that roster.
A perfect example of why experience matters. Just think back to our 'switching' defense from last year and all of its mistakes.
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One more thing.
This team doesn't miss Justin Lewis.
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One more thing.
This team doesn't miss Justin Lewis.
It does, though.
We can be an improved team from last year and still wish we had our alpha scorer. Those concepts aren’t mutually exclusive.
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One more thing.
This team doesn't miss Justin Lewis.
So you don't think Justin would have improved?
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So you don't think Justin would have improved?
I agree with Sultan. I think it's a matter of style. Sultan may or may not agree with that.
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I am not going to debate if we would be better or not with Lewis, but I do think Kam would have been the guy getting less minutes if Lewis was back. One thing I will debate, we are better team than we were a year ago.
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I am not going to debate if we would be better or not with Lewis, but I do think Kam would have been the guy getting less minutes if Lewis was back. One thing I will debate, we are better team than we were a year ago.
We are better, all players improved, kudos to Shaka. Maybe Stevie would have been the one with less minutes? Who knows.
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I agree with Sultan. I think it's a matter of style. Sultan may or may not agree with that.
Yes. This is where I land.
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Last year MU played a version of the style I believe is the future of MU basketball and this year is a more refined version of that style. My hope is that this is just a step in the process of what the final style looks like.
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Yes. This is where I land.
Justin of last year, I agree. Justin with another year under Shaka, who knows.
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Yes. This is where I land.
A worthy debate. I lean towards it's better to have an NBA-level talent on your roster than not, especially one that showed as much improvement as he did between freshman and sophomore years.
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Justin of last year, I agree. Justin with another year under Shaka, who knows.
Yes, exactly, and if the Bulls were willing to sign him to a 2 way right away tells us something.
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Last year, with few experienced options, we needed guys like Justin and Darryl to take over. With the system in place and a wealth of experienced options, on any night it could be Kam, Jop, Oso, O-Max, TK, or someone else. Justin was great for last year's team, but I do think these guys are developing better in part because he's not there. I'd still love to have him, but we're okay without him.
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Tremendous win for MU today. Team going into Conference play with som good momentum .
I was bullish on the team going in to this season based on player improvement . So far the players have improved .
Th coaching staff has done an outstanding job of having the team prepared for every game so far .That level of preparation makes the games so much more enjoyable win or lose .
MU is refining a style of play that can produce winning results . The team is showing the style can be a repeatable process game after game .
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One more thing.
This team doesn't miss Justin Lewis.
Funny, I was thinking the same. My feeling is that I don't think we'd necessarily be much* better which is pretty weird to hypothesize. Justin's lateral movement wasn't great and part of the beauty of our team this year is how fluid and laterally quick both Oso and O-Max are. You can see why Shaka recruits guys like Al Amadou and Itjere - he pretty much wants his bigs to be able to defend guards.
But, when you think about having Oso, O-Max, Justin, Kam and Kolek - That's a really impressive lineup.
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LOL I laugh about Justin takes. It is like Shaka wouldn't know and Bulls don't know what they're doing. I guess we would always be better without our best player next year....
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A great game.
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One more thing.
This team doesn't miss Justin Lewis.
Shaka likes to play fast. Shaka like his defenders to be able to guard multiple positions.
Justin was a really good player but not a very good fit.
So as much as I liked Justin, I agree.
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I mean it’s not like David Joplin is the definition of elite speed, and he sees plenty of minutes. Dylan Osetkowske played 30 minutes per game for Shaka. People here think Ben Gold is going to develop into an NBA player under Shaka. Justin is significantly more athletic in every way than all of those guys. And better defensively than Gold and Joplin. Don’t remember Osetkowske being a lockdown defender who was jumping passing lanes either.
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Shaka likes to play fast. Shaka like his defenders to be able to guard multiple positions.
Justin was a really good player but not a very good fit.
So as much as I liked Justin, I agree.
LOL
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I don’t know if this was mentioned in another thread, but kudos to the MU fans out at the game today. Not sure how it came across on tv, but it was loud from the MU faithful. Post game parking lot was a party as well, loud “WE ARE” chants walking to the car.
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I don’t know if this was mentioned in another thread, but kudos to the MU fans out at the game today. Not sure how it came across on tv, but it was loud from the MU faithful. Post game parking lot was a party as well, loud “WE ARE” chants walking to the car.
Not sweater vests
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I mean it’s not like David Joplin is the definition of elite speed, and he sees plenty of minutes. Dylan Osetkowske played 30 minutes per game for Shaka. People here think Ben Gold is going to develop into an NBA player under Shaka. Justin is significantly more athletic in every way than all of those guys. And better defensively than Gold and Joplin. Don’t remember Osetkowske being a lockdown defender who was jumping passing lanes either.
I get your point here. Joplin is an interesting case. He definitely is less athletic than Justin, by a pretty wide margin. Yet Jop's 46% shooting from 3 is Elite (it will likely fall down as the season goes on), but he does have elite scoring ability and is playing a perfect role and just 18 minutes per game.
Ben Gold is 6'11" and has good upside, though I'm not sure I see NBA in his future unless he massively improves his 3 point shooting. Justin is a 6'6 tweener with marginal NBA athleticism at best. There's a reason he was the "Best Available" Player for roughly the last 10 picks and yet no team drafted him.
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I'm just glad we somehow found a way to prevail in the kind of slower-paced game that we have ZERO chance of winning. Or so the story went.
Otherwise ...
I'll disagree with the take that having a first-team All-Big East player -- whom I believe would have only gotten better as he gained more experience within Shaka's system -- would have somehow made this Marquette basketball team worse. But I can't prove my take any more than others can prove the opposite take, so whatevs.
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I don’t know if this was mentioned in another thread, but kudos to the MU fans out at the game today. Not sure how it came across on tv, but it was loud from the MU faithful. Post game parking lot was a party as well, loud “WE ARE” chants walking to the car.
We Are (clap clap) Marquette! was prevalent on TV. Kudos to those that attended.
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I don’t know if this was mentioned in another thread, but kudos to the MU fans out at the game today. Not sure how it came across on tv, but it was loud from the MU faithful. Post game parking lot was a party as well, loud “WE ARE” chants walking to the car.
We heard you loud and clear. Even the broadcasters mentioned it.
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I mean it’s not like David Joplin is the definition of elite speed, and he sees plenty of minutes. Dylan Osetkowske played 30 minutes per game for Shaka. People here think Ben Gold is going to develop into an NBA player under Shaka. Justin is significantly more athletic in every way than all of those guys. And better defensively than Gold and Joplin. Don’t remember Osetkowske being a lockdown defender who was jumping passing lanes either.
I don’t think anyone would argue that David Joplin or Ben Gold would take Justin’s minutes. In fact, if he were here and healthy he’d be playing 30+. Some question are, under those circumstances, would we be a better team, where would Kam be, how much would he take from Oso’s role, etc. No way to know for sure, but I think when your best player is a poor fit for the system it can present problems. I think Sultan is right - even a really good square peg isn’t optimal for a round hole.
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Along with hearing “WE ARE…MAR-QUETTE” echo through the building live…
And watching the MU walk-ons take the floor…
It was really sweet to see the ND sweatervests heading for the doors with four minutes left on the clock.
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I don’t think anyone would argue that David Joplin or Ben Gold would take Justin’s minutes. In fact, if he were here and healthy he’d be playing 30+. Some question are, under those circumstances, would we be a better team, where would Kam be, how much would he take from Oso’s role, etc. No way to know for sure, but I think when your best player is a poor fit for the system it can present problems. I think Sultan is right - even a really good square peg isn’t optimal for a round hole.
And I disagree that Lewis would have been a "square peg" -- and I also trust that Shaka, our outstanding coach, would have implemented Justin's considerable talent in a way that would have made us a better team.
For example, some have bemoaned the fact that we haven't been able to pull out close games. You know who played a major role in us pulling out several close wins last season? The first-team All-Big East guy.
Again, we're debating unprovables ... but I guess that's what Scoop is for.
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Justin Lewis was Marquette's overall best player last year. He would most likely be Marquette's overall best player this year. However, he's not playing for Marquette this year.
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Justin Lewis was Marquette's overall best player last year. He would most likely be Marquette's overall best player this year. However, he's not playing for Marquette this year.
Good summary, rocky.
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I was expecting MU to take a step forward this year regardless of whether Lewis came back or not. I can’t say a bad word about Lewis though. He was a huge part in making the MU season enjoyable last year and for that I’m thankful.
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I don’t think anyone would argue that David Joplin or Ben Gold would take Justin’s minutes. In fact, if he were here and healthy he’d be playing 30+. Some question are, under those circumstances, would we be a better team, where would Kam be, how much would he take from Oso’s role, etc. No way to know for sure, but I think when your best player is a poor fit for the system it can present problems. I think Sultan is right - even a really good square peg isn’t optimal for a round hole.
Well said Lenny.
And I disagree that Lewis would have been a "square peg" -- and I also trust that Shaka, our outstanding coach, would have implemented Justin's considerable talent in a way that would have made us a better team.
For example, some have bemoaned the fact that we haven't been able to pull out close games. You know who played a major role in us pulling out several close wins last season? The first-team All-Big East guy.
Again, we're debating unprovables ... but I guess that's what Scoop is for.
And this also has merit too. ^^
What is interesting to consider: Justin's O-Rating of 101.9 from last year would be basically tied with Stevie Mitchell at 101.4 as the worst in our starting lineup. Granted, higher usage at 26% but O-Max is at 22.4% usage and a 117.5 O-Rating.
I think Justin probably would have impeded O-Max and Oso's development most. Our 3 guard lineup this year is very productive.
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One brief complaint about the walk-ons. Number 51 walk-on needs to spread the wealth. These guys get about 10 possessions per year where they can, as a unit, take a shot. He took our only look today AND he took the two looks they had in the Baylor game. Name on the front of the jersey, 51!
Not teal.
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Justin Lewis was Marquette's overall best player last year. He would most likely be Marquette's overall best player this year. However, he's not playing for Marquette this year.
It would be hard to be Marquette's overall best player this year with a torn ACL.
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I think Justin probably would have impeded O-Max and Oso's development most. Our 3 guard lineup this year is very productive.
We'll agree to disagree. We'll also never know.
Again, I would have gladly trusted Shaka Smart to make it work.
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It would be hard to be Marquette's overall best player this year with a torn ACL.
It would be hard to be a (former) NBA 2 way contract guy this year if you were still playing for Marquette. Yours is a weird argument.
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It would be hard to be Marquette's overall best player this year with a torn ACL.
He's gonna take a medical redshirt this year (cue BeeJay) and be back on blue & gold next year better than before.
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Worst non conference home loss ever for ND under Mike Brey……
https://www.ndinsider.com/story/sports/mens-basketball/2022/12/12/college-basketball-marquette-give-notre-dame-a-big-east-lesson-sunday-in-south-bend/69699318007/
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Worst non conference home loss ever for ND under Mike Brey……
https://www.ndinsider.com/story/sports/mens-basketball/2022/12/12/college-basketball-marquette-give-notre-dame-a-big-east-lesson-sunday-in-south-bend/69699318007/
Wow...that article just eviscerated the current state of Notre Dame basketball, The ACC, Brey, et al.
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Anyone know if that was our biggest win at the Joyce? I can only find data going back to the 90s.
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It would be hard to be Marquette's overall best player this year with a torn ACL.
It would be hard to argue that Justin would have a torn ACL in any other situation.
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1. Defense travels. Switching all 5 positions. What MU has done really well over the last two seasons is switch big for small off the ball. Trying to avoid more Sean Jones getting posted up.
2. I love the 9 man rotation. They all are playing d. (see 1)
3. Joplin wants to score so badly that he is out of control. Just a dumb play. Watching his body language lately, he is frustrated.
4. Kam, on the other hand, is not. Have yourself a game, young man.
5. Keep kvetching, but Stevie has Shaka's trust (for good reason) and will continue to start.
6. 9 man rotation. Three juniors, three sophomores, three. freshmen. Only one has more than 1 season at MU. Ponder that.
7. I am impressed by the freshmen. The game was put away by the starters
8. Putting in the walk-ons on the road because it is in the bag. Priceless.
9. Few things sweeter.
Great points, Tower.
We went 1-7 against ND while I was at MU so this is very sweet.
BTW…I had two years in Tower 911.
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Well said Lenny.
And this also has merit too. ^^
What is interesting to consider: Justin's O-Rating of 101.9 from last year would be basically tied with Stevie Mitchell at 101.4 as the worst in our starting lineup. Granted, higher usage at 26% but O-Max is at 22.4% usage and a 117.5 O-Rating.
I think Justin probably would have impeded O-Max and Oso's development most. Our 3 guard lineup this year is very productive.
Really unfair to compare anyone to Omax, who is arguably the third best offensive talent of the past decade behind Markus and Magic Dawson
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Great points, Tower.
We went 1-7 against ND while I was at MU so this is very sweet.
BTW…I had two years in Tower 911.
And I had two years in Tower 912. Great room. Great view. 0-8 while I was there.
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Celebrating with a beer…and NO, Joe Montana, it’s not a Guinness!
Don't you want to play just one Sunday?
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Great points, Tower.
We went 1-7 against ND while I was at MU so this is very sweet.
BTW…I had two years in Tower 911.
I did not live in Tower but beating ND is always sweet!
Not sure if we ever beat ND in my tenure 1987-1991? At least it sure didn't feel like it.
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Anyone know if that was our biggest win at the Joyce? I can only find data going back to the 90s.
In that building? Yes. Our biggest margin in South Bend? No. We beat ND 47-22 on February 18, 1939. That would stand as our largest margin in the series until the 92-66 win in 2008, though that was in Milwaukee.
https://wiki.muscoop.com/doku.php/men_s_basketball/notre_dame
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For those who were at the game did Jop really commit a flagrant 2? Even the announcers mentioned from their vantage point they could not tell and I don't recall seeing any replays. Is that call kind of automatic where the refs have no leeway whether it is intentional or not?
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Not sure if we ever beat ND in my tenure 1987-1991? At least it sure didn't feel like it.
We beat them once in that span. Don’t remember the exact date, but it was a Saturday morning game in December 1989.
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In that building? Yes. Our biggest margin in South Bend? No. We beat ND 47-22 on February 18, 1939. That would stand as our largest margin in the series until the 92-66 win in 2008, though that was in Milwaukee.
https://wiki.muscoop.com/doku.php/men_s_basketball/notre_dame
So we are 12-9 vs the Irish over the last 30 years; not bad for a team that seems to have our number.
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So we are 12-9 vs the Irish over the last 30 years; not bad for a team that seems to have our number.
If my quick count was right, 17-51 before 1960, then renewed the series a decade later. The all-time series mark of 39-80 looks bad, but we were -34 in the first 50 years, just -7 (22-29) in the 52 years since.
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I did not love in Tower but beating ND is always sweet!
Not sure if we ever beat ND in my tenure 1987-1991? At least it sure didn't feel like it.
Happy to say I did love in Tower fairly often when I lived there as a sophomore!
As for ND, I was fortunate enough to see us go 3-1 against them while I was at MU, including twice when they were a top-10 team with Tripucka, Woolridge, Paxson, etc. One of those wins remains my all-time favorite regular-season Marquette game, when we beat 'em in 1981 at the Arena on Glenn Rivers' heave at the buzzer. Bedlam!
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For those who were at the game did Jop really commit a flagrant 2? Even the announcers mentioned from their vantage point they could not tell and I don't recall seeing any replays. Is that call kind of automatic where the refs have no leeway whether it is intentional or not?
The TV replay showed that it was not intentional, should not have been a 2, a 1 yes.
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For those who were at the game did Jop really commit a flagrant 2? Even the announcers mentioned from their vantage point they could not tell and I don't recall seeing any replays. Is that call kind of automatic where the refs have no leeway whether it is intentional or not?
Could not see anything at the game that looked flagrant. Was shocked when Joplin walked to the locker room. I was on the other half of the court though. I watched the replay and it looked unintentional.
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Very impressed with the team's response after Jop was sent packing. Speaks highly of both our coaching and on-court leadership.
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Very impressed with the team's response after Jop was sent packing. Speaks highly of both our coaching and on-court leadership.
Agreed 82. It was impressive.
Ultimately you can never speak with absolute certainty about games that should be won on someone else’s home court (an old rival no less) but this was the year to stomp ND on paper. They have a very mediocre team. It would have been very disappointing had they lost. Kudos to the team for playing like the better team and taking care of business. ND or not, as Dr B said this was a must win game for the state of the program (not necessarily for this year). Just can’t lose games like these to lesser teams.
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LOL I laugh about Justin takes. It is like Shaka wouldn't know and Bulls don't know what they're doing. I guess we would always be better without our best player next year....
I think people are misunderstanding what I meant. By saying "we don't miss Justin Lewis," I wasn't really saying that we are better without him than we would be with him. I really don't know if we are or aren't. I was simply meaning that we are pretty darn good even without him, and may end up more accomplished by season's end.
Just like the 2012-13 team was without Jae and DJO, yet won the conference regular season and got to the Elite 8.
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I think people are misunderstanding what I meant. By saying "we don't miss Justin Lewis," I wasn't really saying that we are better without him than we would be with him. I really don't know if we are or aren't. I was simply meaning that we are pretty darn good even without him, and may end up more accomplished by season's end.
Just like the 2012-13 team was without Jae and DJO, yet won the conference regular season and got to the Elite 8.
Thanks for the clarification. Makes more sense.
My take is that if we had Lewis, we'd have won all 8 games that we did win and we would have won a couple of the games we lost. I have no "proof," it's just my opinion. But sure, maybe by the end of the season (or even sooner), we'll have ended up being a more accomplished sum of the parts than we would have been with him.
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Upside of Justin: Could get his own shot. Rebounding. Versatile offensively.
Downside of Justin: Ball sometimes stops at him. Not as versatile defensively.
My opinion: Why on earth would you NOT want a borderline NBA talent in your team?
Unless you are an NBA team.
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The one thing that jumped out to me in the Lewis discussion is that the HC made little effort, or so it seemed, to find a replacement for the Lewis role. No doubt, to replace Lewis with one portal guy was not an easy ask, but just maybe, the HC coach felt filling that role with multiple players was the best path to take going into the season. If Lewis had returned, I question if we would have seen the improvement of a slew of guys, especially in a real game.
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We’d be really good with Justin bc Shaka would figure it out.
We’re really good without Justin bc Shaka figured it out.
College basketball ain’t about players it’s about coaches and we got one. Let’s roll.
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Coach probably saw that Omax was ready to step up. And hoped that Joplin was ready to step up.
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It will be fun to see Joplins improvement over the course of this season and next. I trust Shaka to get the best out of him.
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The one thing that jumped out to me in the Lewis discussion is that the HC made little effort, or so it seemed, to find a replacement for the Lewis role. No doubt, to replace Lewis with one portal guy was not an easy ask, but just maybe, the HC coach felt filling that role with multiple players was the best path to take going into the season. If Lewis had returned, I question if we would have seen the improvement of a slew of guys, especially in a real game.
From stuff that was written here, Shaka tried pretty hard to get a couple highly rated guys in the portal but couldn't land them. He settled on an NAIA guy who has barely sniffed the court.
As to whether or not others would have developed had Lewis stayed, we'll never know -- although I trust that Shaka and his assistants would have helped them make great strides. I'd say most would have improved plenty and gotten significantly more PT because the departures of Morsell, Kuath and Elliott opened up 66 mpg, but some of their roles certainly would be at least somewhat different.
All I know as I sit here today is that I sure would have liked our chances to get across the finish line against Mississippi State and Madison, and possibly Purdue too, if we had an experienced All-Big East guy to rely on. As I said in a previous post, maybe by February and March we really will find out that we're a better team without Lewis.
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I think people are misunderstanding what I meant. By saying "we don't miss Justin Lewis," I wasn't really saying that we are better without him than we would be with him. I really don't know if we are or aren't. I was simply meaning that we are pretty darn good even without him, and may end up more accomplished by season's end.
Just like the 2012-13 team was without Jae and DJO, yet won the conference regular season and got to the Elite 8.
Agreed. Would Justin be an asset to this team? Absolutely. But I do think players like Kam, O-Max, and Oso likely wouldn't be having the performances they've been having if JL was still here.
We lost a great player in Justin but still got better as a team, which has been my contention all along.
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The TV replay showed that it was not intentional, should not have been a 2, a 1 yes.
The announcers never discussed whether Joplin worked out with Brad Davison over the summer.
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The TV replay showed that it was not intentional, should not have been a 2, a 1 yes.
Seemed pretty similar to the shot Floppy delivered on his buddy Soft Serve, and it should have been a 1 like Floppy got.
But when you can't control yourself while flailing your arms down 'round a fellow competitor's jewels, you leave the door open for extreme punishment.
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Agreed. Would Justin be an asset to this team? Absolutely. But I do think players like Kam, O-Max, and Oso likely wouldn't be having the performances they've been having if JL was still here.
We lost a great player in Justin but still got better as a team, which has been my contention all along.
Sometimes the whole is greater than the sum of its parts (midgets of 2009-10), sometimes it’s worse (sub .500 team with Carton, McEwen, Cain, John, Garcia, Lewis and Elliot).
Lewis was a really good player, but not the type Shaka generally recruits. Shaka adapted, Lewis thrived and the team did pretty well. This year (with less talent due to the subtraction of Lewis) Shaka doesn’t have to adapt. He can play the style he prefers with players he recruited to play that style. I think we’ll be better. Only time will tell.
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Had an absolute blast traveling to South Bend!
The MU travel party was large and electric. From the pre-reception, to the game, to the Lake Forest Oasis. MU fans were loud and amped.
I am 0-3 at Hinkle, 0-1 at Mackey, and 0-1 at Assembly Hall. Feels good to break the dry spell and come out with the W!
We are Marquette!
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Very satisfying victory. I think the defense wore down ND with them only going 6 deep. Keep in mind they pretty much played us even the first 15. From that point on their shots were rushed, they didn't rebound as well and MU controlled the game. Very encouraging for a road team.
Makes me wish we could have the Wis game back. Still a little concerned that we haven't proved we can win a close game with all that it takes (free throws, clutch shots under pressure, defensive stops). Thought the ND game might be the one to "prove that" but how can you hate a double digit road win against a high major.
Starting to feel like Kam has the tools to be that guy to win a close game for us in the clutch. He can get to the hoop, finish through contact, make free throws and/or hit the 3 if its needed. Still don't trust Omax in the clutch and it would be nice to have more than one go to guy.
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I was at the game. Great time. One thing I noticed was that was the weakest student section I’ve ever seen (granted I’ve never been to a G’town game). I don’t care if it’s finals week. That was embarrassing for ND
We own the Joyce Center
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Sometimes the whole is greater than the sum of its parts (midgets of 2009-10), sometimes it’s worse (sub .500 team with Carton, McEwen, Cain, John, Garcia, Lewis and Elliot).
Lewis was a really good player, but not the type Shaka generally recruits. Shaka adapted, Lewis thrived and the team did pretty well. This year (with less talent due to the subtraction of Lewis) Shaka doesn’t have to adapt. He can play the style he prefers with players he recruited to play that style. I think we’ll be better. Only time will tell.
Shaka did recruit Justin when he got the job.
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Sometimes the whole is greater than the sum of its parts (midgets of 2009-10), sometimes it’s worse (sub .500 team with Carton, McEwen, Cain, John, Garcia, Lewis and Elliot).
Lewis was a really good player, but not the type Shaka generally recruits. Shaka adapted, Lewis thrived and the team did pretty well. This year (with less talent due to the subtraction of Lewis) Shaka doesn’t have to adapt. He can play the style he prefers with players he recruited to play that style. I think we’ll be better. Only time will tell.
Lotta coaches like to talk about 'addition thru subtraction'. That could be the case here.
I don't think any of us here who feel we are just as good or better without Justin are saying it in a demeaning way. He was outstanding last year and I enjoyed watching him every game.
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Great article in the South Bend Tribune! Sorry if posted already ….
https://www.ndinsider.com/story/sports/mens-basketball/2022/12/12/college-basketball-marquette-give-notre-dame-a-big-east-lesson-sunday-in-south-bend/69699318007/
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Great article in the South Bend Tribune! Sorry if posted already ….
https://www.ndinsider.com/story/sports/mens-basketball/2022/12/12/college-basketball-marquette-give-notre-dame-a-big-east-lesson-sunday-in-south-bend/69699318007/
Ahem. 😁
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RC83, why would so many people have you in ignore? Ha. Maybe Daniel was being funny? Or just all wanting to share joy. Weird.
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https://twitter.com/MarquetteMBB/status/1602721311469469699?t=zSDKYd_msfk85poO5eIxMQ&s=19
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https://twitter.com/MarquetteMBB/status/1602721311469469699?t=zSDKYd_msfk85poO5eIxMQ&s=19
Is that a SOTG belt that appears at 0:09 (and in the photo below)?
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Is that a SOTG belt that appears at 0:09 (and in the photo below)?
No. The SOTG belt is teal and usually a few games behind
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The one thing that jumped out to me in the Lewis discussion is that the HC made little effort, or so it seemed, to find a replacement for the Lewis role. No doubt, to replace Lewis with one portal guy was not an easy ask, but just maybe, the HC coach felt filling that role with multiple players was the best path to take going into the season. If Lewis had returned, I question if we would have seen the improvement of a slew of guys, especially in a real game.
Part of success is winning with what you got. There are lots of reasons I wish Justin was back — all relate to the kind of player he is. But he left for the NBA and we are adapting.
Kudos to Shaka.
I’m reminded of when Vander Blue left. It was the beginning of the end for the Buzzard as he couldn’t manage with what was left. It was unfortunate. Shaka is recruiting high quality guys who step up!
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Had an absolute blast traveling to South Bend!
The MU travel party was large and electric. From the pre-reception, to the game, to the Lake Forest Oasis. MU fans were loud and amped.
I am 0-3 at Hinkle, 0-1 at Mackey, and 0-1 at Assembly Hall. Feels good to break the dry spell and come out with the W!
We are Marquette!
Please stop attending games
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Please stop attending games
But he's finally on a hot streak!
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RC83, why would so many people have you in ignore? Ha. Maybe Daniel was being funny? Or just all wanting to share joy. Weird.
Ty, Tower
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Ty, Tower
Fellas, if I I’m on ignore, I wear that as a badge of honor!
Well done Daniel.
Anyways, bluejay livers for dinner on Friday!
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One brief complaint about the walk-ons. Number 51 walk-on needs to spread the wealth. These guys get about 10 possessions per year where they can, as a unit, take a shot. He took our only look today AND he took the two looks they had in the Baylor game. Name on the front of the jersey, 51!
Not teal.
BUMP!
Great win