MUScoop
MUScoop => The Superbar => Topic started by: MuggsyB on November 22, 2022, 08:07:37 PM
-
Will they find this scumsucking pos? Extremely disturbing.
-
The killer will be found.
-
Was just reading a lot more on this.
I think the lunatic will be found soon. Takes a lot of time to go through all the evidence and get DNA
Its a case thats gonna take time with no weapon and not a clear motive yet since two were left unharmed.
-
The killer will be found.
At least, slight better than a coinflip chance they catch him.
https://projectcoldcase.org/cold-case-homicide-stats/
-
Does chicos have an alibi?
-
Does chicos have an alibi?
You'll have to ask hoopaloop.
-
Any dental instruments left at the scene?
-
At least, slight better than a coinflip chance they catch him.
https://projectcoldcase.org/cold-case-homicide-stats/
I would guess the high profile nature of this case would increase the odds a little.
-
The local authorities have certainly left a lot to be desired in this case finding a conclusion.
-
Fascinating case.
-
The local authorities have certainly left a lot to be desired in this case finding a conclusion.
Moscow, ID is a town of 25k people. Sun Prairie is bigger. I'm guessing that they don't quite have a police force equipped to handle this.
-
Right. And they haven't had a murder in years, much less one with this type of "complexity."
-
Moscow, ID is a town of 25k people. Sun Prairie is bigger. I'm guessing that they don't quite have a police force equipped to handle this.
And Sun Prairie is adjacent to Madison, and its resources if needed. Moscow is 90 min from any decent sized city (Spokane). If you're staying in the state for jurisdiction purposes, you're 5 hours from Boise, cause Coeur d'Alene is 90 min away too, but thats not much bigger.
-
How successful/good are police at investigations like this?
-
And Sun Prairie is adjacent to Madison, and its resources if needed. Moscow is 90 min from any decent sized city (Spokane). If you're staying in the state for jurisdiction purposes, you're 5 hours from Boise, cause Coeur d'Alene is 90 min away too, but thats not much bigger.
I'm assuming that the state police are assisting, regardless of distance from Boise.
Or they can just call in Walt Longmire from Wyoming. He'll clean it up in no time. ;D
-
State, feds. Resources like they have never had before. Assuming they asked.
-
State, feds. Resources like they have never had before. Assuming they asked.
FSB is based in Moscow too.
-
Well, if Putin is on the case, I am sure it will all be resolved in an appropriate manner within the next few days.
-
It's been over a week. Not a lot of answers to this point.
-
It's been over a week. Not a lot of answers to this point.
It took 5 years for authorities to make an arrest in the murder of 2 young girls here in central Indiana.
Give it time, hopefully
-
Need to bring in Nancy Grace
-
It's been over a week. Not a lot of answers to this point.
Glad to see your impatience is not just tied to sports
-
Glad to see your impatience is not just tied to sports
He watches the First 48. Muggsy knows.
-
Some eerily similar killings happend each of the last two years out west now being reported.
Potential this is a serial killer thing.
Updates keep getting more and more wild.
-
It’s Bo Ryan
-
Some eerily similar killings happend each of the last two years out west now being reported.
Potential this is a serial killer thing.
Updates keep getting more and more wild.
There's a Bundyesque element to these killings. They need to find this fkbag and total piece of garbage asap.
-
It’s Bo Ryan
The victims were hookers?
-
The victims were hookers?
At autozone
-
Killer starts with a body massage… turns into a tug… then the knives come out. Wild stuff.
-
At autozone
There is an autozone in Moscow, ID (not, Moscow, WI). But the bodies weren't dumped there, so old Bo will likely be exonerated.
-
There's a Bundyesque element to these killings. They need to find this fkbag and total piece of garbage asap.
What? Bundy wasn’t entering homes and stabbing people in bed
-
It took 5 years for authorities to make an arrest in the murder of 2 young girls here in central Indiana.
Give it time, hopefully
Glad to see your impatience is not just tied to sports
Could these be anymore stupid and tone deaf?!? Many students literally don’t want to return to campus for the small fortunes being paid to attend there because no one knows anything yet. Not to mention no one knows motive, if there’s any threat to general public, etc, etc. Put yourself in these students, their parents, etc shoes for 5 seconds. For crying out loud.
-
What? Bundy wasn’t entering homes and stabbing people in bed
Entering residences & killing ppl in bed seems like it qualifies as similar “elements” hey?
-
How successful/good are police at investigations like this?
No unarmed black men in this case, so they're really out of their depth.
-
Suspect captured in Pennsylvania.
https://www.yahoo.com/gma/idaho-murders-police-hold-news-155911722.html
-
28 yr old phd (criminology) student at wash st U
-
28 yr old phd (criminology) student at wash st U
This is what these land grant universities are doing with taxpayer money, training serial killers.
-
Those damn guns again, hey?
-
Those damn guns again, hey?
Surprised he isn’t from Mequon
-
Suspect captured in Pennsylvania.
https://www.yahoo.com/gma/idaho-murders-police-hold-news-155911722.html
BAM. Very good news.
-
Im sure they had this guy in their sights for a while.
Was amazing how many people online dont realize how long something like this takes to make sure you get the guy and it sticks.
Cant wait for hiim to get dumbbelle'd in prison.
-
Im sure they had this guy in their sights for a while.
Was amazing how many people online dont realize how long something like this takes to make sure you get the guy and it sticks.
Cant wait for hiim to get dumbbelle'd in prison.
Assuming this is the scumsucking fkbag he will not enjoy prison.
-
Assuming this is the scumsucking fkbag he will not enjoy prison.
Its him.
They traced the car. He lived close by. The dude was on reddit doing weird psychological crime surveys.
-
Its him.
They traced the car. He lived close by. The dude was on reddit doing weird psychological crime surveys.
Did he know the victims?
-
Those damn guns again, hey?
Gonna' hurt the U of Idaho endowment.
-
Im sure they had this guy in their sights for a while.
Was amazing how many people online dont realize how long something like this takes to make sure you get the guy and it sticks.
I’m not so sure on that. This feels fairly new (eg several days).
-
I’m not so sure on that. This feels fairly new (eg several days).
According to a few articles they had been tracking him for some time abd expected him to go to Pennsylvania.
-
I was once part of a prison ministry group and had a chance to chat with the prison's psychologist/therapist. He told me that profile data generated by interviews of both inmates and guards showed that they shared some surprising as well as scary personality traits (my words-personality traits - I do not remember his exact words). I do remember his comment along the lines that there was sometimes not much of a difference. I wonder if this is also true in those who choose law enforcement or related fields of work.
-
Hope they get this guy talking and fast. He appears to be the worst kind of predator-----smart and careful. At age 28, he's had almost a decade of roaming around for potential victims. They're going to have to go back and track his movements for the last 8-10 years. Would anyone be shocked to learn that Moscow, ID wasn't his first stop????
-
Hope they get this guy talking and fast. He appears to be the worst kind of predator-----smart and careful. At age 28, he's had almost a decade of roaming around for potential victims. They're going to have to go back and track his movements for the last 8-10 years. Would anyone be shocked to learn that Moscow, ID wasn't his first stop????
It's certainly conceivable dtd. There are a number of hungry Polar and Kodiak Bears roaming around the world.
-
I think it would be shocking if this cs'er was a newbie at this, hey?
-
I think it is his first, as the number of unsolved homicides with a parallel MO is small.
-
Well, it should be his last, aina?
-
When I heard he was a predator, I just assumed he was transgender. Because that's how all of them are.
-
I was once part of a prison ministry group and had a chance to chat with the prison's psychologist/therapist. He told me that profile data generated by interviews of both inmates and guards showed that they shared some surprising as well as scary personality traits (my words-personality traits - I do not remember his exact words). I do remember his comment along the lines that there was sometimes not much of a difference. I wonder if this is also true in those who choose law enforcement or related fields of work.
Have prison psychologists/therapists also been interviewed to see if their personality traits were not that different either? After all they also work in a prison setting.
-
Have prison psychologists/therapists also been interviewed to see if their personality traits were not that different either? After all they also work in a prison setting.
You have a talent for saying some ridiculous things, but this one is not on the same level as your "I have factually stated that we have sucked for the last 10 years" (including our Elite Eight season) or your 28 post/rants suggesting that players with good NIL deals pay their own tuition.
I am guessing this is yet another attempt by you (and, like all your others, a miserably failed one) to be humorous. Then again, I would not put it past you to attempt to weirdly twist my comments into a suggestion that I was saying there is a causal relationship at work. Kind of like the way you tried to redirect a thread by dgies about MU's prospects for another natty into a rallying call for your manic mantra, wesuckwesuckwesuckwesuck.
-
Already getting accused of doing weird sh it in county.
Working on that insanity plea.
-
Has it come out that he knew the victims or was this a random act of violence?
-
They are establishing connections. Unlikely that it is random.
-
Has it come out that he knew the victims or was this a random act of violence?
Hasnt been officially determined. And the extent definitely has not be released.
But word has been it seems like there was some sort of connection with one of the blondes, the one with the dad thats been very vocal through the process.
-
Get ready for an insanity plea if any of this is true. He allegedly told guards to come into his cell and he would cut them up, pee on them etc.; A psychiatrist (who is not directly involved in the case) has opined that his extreme veganism coupled with other expressed beliefs may indicate a fear of becoming compulsively cannibalistic, and a slew of other observations from people who know him add up to questions regarding his sanity. No links due to paywalls but you will see the stories emerging on the net.
-
Get ready for an insanity plea if any of this is true. He allegedly told guards to come into his cell and he would cut them up, pee on them etc.; A psychiatrist (who is not directly involved in the case) has opined that his extreme veganism coupled with other expressed beliefs may indicate a fear of becoming compulsively cannibalistic, and a slew of other observations from people who know him add up to questions regarding his sanity. No links due to paywalls but you will see the stories emerging on the net.
Yet he wore gloves for weeks after the murder to avoid leaving DNA evidence anywhere, continued to attend his classes at Washington State where nobody seemed to think anything overly different about him, drove across the country with his father, asked if anyone else was arrested when he was arrested, allegedly stalked at least one of the victims for weeks leading up to it, was on Reddit asking for convicts mental state when carrying out crimes, etc. Pretty hard to claim insanity when everything points to premeditation.
-
apparently a fabricated news story
"The Monroe County Correctional Facility warden informed officials that Kohberger has been a “model prisoner” who has not caused any problems during his time in detention, according to a source familiar with Kohberger’s status at the facility. He has been “quiet” and “followed directions,” according to the source."
Get ready for an insanity plea if any of this is true. He allegedly told guards to come into his cell and he would cut them up, pee on them etc.; A psychiatrist (who is not directly involved in the case) has opined that his extreme veganism coupled with other expressed beliefs may indicate a fear of becoming compulsively cannibalistic, and a slew of other observations from people who know him add up to questions regarding his sanity. No links due to paywalls but you will see the stories emerging on the net.
-
apparently a fabricated news story
"The Monroe County Correctional Facility warden informed officials that Kohberger has been a “model prisoner” who has not caused any problems during his time in detention, according to a source familiar with Kohberger’s status at the facility. He has been “quiet” and “followed directions,” according to the source."
Yet he wore gloves for weeks after the murder to avoid leaving DNA evidence anywhere, continued to attend his classes at Washington State where nobody seemed to think anything overly different about him, drove across the country with his father, asked if anyone else was arrested when he was arrested, allegedly stalked at least one of the victims for weeks leading up to it, was on Reddit asking for convicts mental state when carrying out crimes, etc. Pretty hard to claim insanity when everything points to premeditation.
No argument with what you guys are saying, but I deliberately said "if any of this is true". Just reporting what I saw on the net. Personally, I think the old expression "dumb like a fox" applies. By many accounts, he seems to be intelligent and his putting on an act would not surprise me one bit.
I do not know if premeditation rules out an insanity plea. Is this a fact?
-
No argument with what you guys are saying, but I deliberately said "if any of this is true". Just reporting what I saw on the net. Personally, I think the old expression "dumb like a fox" applies. By many accounts, he seems to be intelligent and his putting on an act would not surprise me one bit.
I do not know if premeditation rules out an insanity plea. Is this a fact?
Idaho law does NOT allow an insanity defense.
https://legislature.idaho.gov/statutesrules/idstat/title18/t18ch2/sect18-207/
-
Idaho law does NOT allow an insanity defense.
https://legislature.idaho.gov/statutesrules/idstat/title18/t18ch2/sect18-207/
Great!
-
Idaho law does NOT allow an insanity defense.
https://legislature.idaho.gov/statutesrules/idstat/title18/t18ch2/sect18-207/
While that is true, evidence of mental illness can be used at trial for other purposes.
https://www.apa.org/monitor/2013/02/jn
-
While that is true, evidence of mental illness can be used at trial for other purposes.
https://www.apa.org/monitor/2013/02/jn
Well, I guess he could use it for sentencing but he kinda blew his chance with this.
https://nypost.com/2023/01/04/bryan-kohberger-could-face-death-penalty-in-idaho-murders/amp/
-
No argument with what you guys are saying, but I deliberately said "if any of this is true". Just reporting what I saw on the net.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C4fOIxyWIAACkt1?format=jpg&name=small)
-
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C4fOIxyWIAACkt1?format=jpg&name=small)
I agree with this analysis
-
"Excellently elite" Genghis Khan
-
Just reviewed complaint justifying arrest warrant. Excellent law enforcement work in the case.
Summary:
-All four victims suffered sharp object wounds. Knife sheath for a Marine K-Bar knife located in one of victims bedrooms.
-One survivor observed white male in the house wearing mask and exiting residence. This is weird part because why didn't subject kill her and why didn't she call police. Guess that will come out.
-Reviewed surveillance cameras in area, observed white Elantra in vicinity prior to murders driving around a lot and then speeding off after. More video reviews followed vehicle back towards Washington.
-Lookout put out for Elantra, Washington State University PD locates subject's vehicle and identifies him as owner. More video review follows Elantra leaving WSU to Idaho on murder night. More video reviews.
-Cellphone records obtained from subject, phone turned off while murder happening. Not stupid, he knew they could track.
But, past cellphone records indicate he traveled to murder site 12 times prior to incident. Not smart. More video surveillance of him in Moscow at stores, etc. on these visits.
-Mention of him being PHD criminal candidate and what he was asking to the public re: murders.
-Changed license plates on car three days after murders.
-DNA recovered from knife sheath. Penn State Police do a "dumpster dive" on parents house while subject was there visiting. (don't need search warrant for such act since trash put on street). Trash DNA leads to subject's DNA on knife sheath. Ballgame.
Read the document, very good work. This is minimum evidence revealed for arrest warrant authorization, so there may be more.This will definitely be a case on ID Discovery Channel's "See No Evil", and excellent show on how investigators solve crimes based on video surveillance. These Idaho investigators/FBI went thru hundreds, maybe thousands hours of video.
-
Just reviewed complaint justifying arrest warrant. Excellent law enforcement work in the case.
Summary:
-All four victims suffered sharp object wounds. Knife sheath for a Marine K-Bar knife located in one of victims bedrooms.
-One survivor observed white male in the house wearing mask and exiting residence. This is weird part because why didn't subject kill her and why didn't she call police. Guess that will come out.
-Reviewed surveillance cameras in area, observed white Elantra in vicinity prior to murders driving around a lot and then speeding off after. More video reviews followed vehicle back towards Washington.
-Lookout put out for Elantra, Washington State University PD locates subject's vehicle and identifies him as owner. More video review follows Elantra leaving WSU to Idaho on murder night. More video reviews.
-Cellphone records obtained from subject, phone turned off while murder happening. Not stupid, he knew they could track.
But, past cellphone records indicate he traveled to murder site 12 times prior to incident. Not smart. More video surveillance of him in Moscow at stores, etc. on these visits.
-Mention of him being PHD criminal candidate and what he was asking to the public re: murders.
-Changed license plates on car three days after murders.
-DNA recovered from knife sheath. Penn State Police do a "dumpster dive" on parents house while subject was there visiting. (don't need search warrant for such act since trash put on street). Trash DNA leads to subject's DNA on knife sheath. Ballgame.
Read the document, very good work. This is minimum evidence revealed for arrest warrant authorization, so there may be more.This will definitely be a case on ID Discovery Channel's "See No Evil", and excellent show on how investigators solve crimes based on video surveillance. These Idaho investigators/FBI went thru hundreds, maybe thousands hours of video.
I saw something stating that one of his mid december traffic stops with his dad was actually planned. FBI contacted the police cause they wanted visual of him and his hands.
Like I said before looks like they really narrowed down on him for a while and they made sure they really got everything need. Most of the internet just didnt seem to grasp that this wouldnt be solved in moments.
Great to see all the things coming out on how they got this guy.
Also, he is a complete and total dumbass. I hope at his trail its made a point to really pound that home to him. This psycho thought he was einstein and like I read a profiler say in a article a day or so ago, hes really just an idiot and got himself caught. Destroys people like him when they realize that.
-
The full document:
https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/case/CR29-22-2805/122922%20Affidavit%20-%20Exhibit%20A%20-%20Statement%20of%20Brett%20Payne.pdf
-
I had just finished my ride on a bike trail this past Tuesday and was loading the bike into my vehicle when a father and his two children, a boy and a girl, pedaled nearby. The little girl, about 6 years old, asked her father to adjust her seat so they stopped momentarily near me.
I have no idea why this happened, but I immediately thought of the father of one of the girls slaughtered in Idaho who surely had similar father-daughter moments like this about 15 years earlier- whether riding bikes, hiking, playing a game, whatever. As I sat in my vehicle, I sadly reflected on this for a minute before starting the engine. Two days later it is still haunting me a little.
I have no direct connection to the victims and their families and yet, we all do. Just in a different way.
-
Snoop
My 27y daughter was home over the holidays and I thought the same thing when we went to the MU-SH game together. I felt so blessed, yet thought of the parents of the Idaho kids and felt real sadness. I gave her an extra long hug before she headed back to Portland.
-
I think it is his first, as the number of unsolved homicides with a parallel MO is small.
I am even more convinced this is his first one. So many silly mistakes. If he had made this many mistakes at a previous crime scene, he would have been caught before.
-
Just reviewed complaint justifying arrest warrant. Excellent law enforcement work in the case.
Summary:
...
-Cellphone records obtained from subject, phone turned off while murder happening. Not stupid, he knew they could track.
But, past cellphone records indicate he traveled to murder site 12 times prior to incident. Not smart. More video surveillance of him in Moscow at stores, etc. on these visits.
...
I guess it never occurred to him to... not bring his phone to the crime scene?
-
And turning it off when he actually did the killings versus just leaving it behind.
-
Goes to show that PhD students are morons.
-
Can’t figure out….
You hear whimpering, crying, thuds.. dog flippin out.. then SEE A MOTHERF@@KER in a mask walk past & out the house…
And 911 isn’t dialed for many hours thereafter? What in the eff??
-
Can’t figure out….
You hear whimpering, crying, thuds.. dog flippin out.. then SEE A MOTHERF@@KER in a mask walk past & out the house…
And 911 isn’t dialed for many hours thereafter? What in the eff??
Sadly, I'd be more surprised if 911 was called.
-
Can’t figure out….
You hear whimpering, crying, thuds.. dog flippin out.. then SEE A MOTHERF@@KER in a mask walk past & out the house…
And 911 isn’t dialed for many hours thereafter? What in the eff??
I’ve wondered the same thing. I’m sure there was a shock factor but still, call the cops. I wonder if she woke up the other roommate to try and figure out what happened or maybe saw the aftermath and just hid in her room scared sh!tless.
-
And turning it off when he actually did the killings versus just leaving it behind.
Sounds like you have done that before
-
Can’t figure out….
You hear whimpering, crying, thuds.. dog flippin out.. then SEE A MOTHERF@@KER in a mask walk past & out the house…
And 911 isn’t dialed for many hours thereafter? What in the eff??
Everybody processes stress and panic differently.
-
Everybody processes stress and panic differently.
My thoughts as well. She may have hidden and shook with fear until the police came. Not ruling out other possibilities, but let's not jump to conclusions. I do not know what I would have done in a similar situation. I like to think I would have called 911 immediately or even risked my life by confronting the killer, but in reality? I simply do not know.
-
My thoughts as well. She may have hidden and shook with fear until the police came. Not ruling out other possibilities, but let's not jump to conclusions. I do not know what I would have done in a similar situation. I like to think I would have called 911 immediately or even risked my life by confronting the killer, but in reality? I don't simply know.
That's just it. A lot of people say they'd jump in a freezing river to save a drowning child, but the reality is that when it comes time those claims are much more difficult to act upon.
It's just human nature.
-
Finally read the whole report.
They definitely had more info from the beginning that was properly reported. Like the timing was later and the roommate being awake.
Were pretty much onto this bozo from the beginning.
He thought he was the second coming of einstein cause he used a Penn car that doesnt require a front plate and turned his phone off. Then figured he surpassed Einstein intellect when he registered his car with new washington plates 5 days after.
Yet he never considered the fact that maybe, just maybe registering his vehicle with his apartment complex and then using said vehicle to drive around a murder scene repeatedly is sub optimal. Or that leaving his phone on for his 15 prior visits to the scene kinda offsets turning it off 1 time. Oh....and leaving your knife covering laying there.
Again, I hope a mockery is made out of this guy in court. Psychos like this love the idea of being some mastermind, would destroy him as he realizes hes the definition of amateur.
-
Finally read the whole report.
They definitely had more info from the beginning that was properly reported. Like the timing was later and the roommate being awake.
Were pretty much onto this bozo from the beginning.
He thought he was the second coming of einstein cause he used a Penn car that doesnt require a front plate and turned his phone off. Then figured he surpassed Einstein intellect when he registered his car with new washington plates 5 days after.
Yet he never considered the fact that maybe, just maybe registering his vehicle with his apartment complex and then using said vehicle to drive around a murder scene repeatedly is sub optimal. Or that leaving his phone on for his 15 prior visits to the scene kinda offsets turning it off 1 time. Oh....and leaving your knife covering laying there.
Again, I hope a mockery is made out of this guy in court. Psychos like this love the idea of being some mastermind, would destroy him as he realizes hes the definition of amateur.
He sounds like the Chicos of psychos
-
For someone who appears to think he's intellectually superior and could get away with this he sure made a lot of stupid mistakes. I can't imagine there's a way to explain away his phone pinging in that area 10+ times late at night in the preceding months nor actually going back to the scene with his phone that morning for about 10 minutes.
Read as they were surveilling him in PA that they witnessed him wearing surgical gloves multiple times and taking garbage out at 4 AM and putting it in a neighbors' trash bin. Not suspicious behavior at all.
Clearly a psychopath and premeditated but I am curious how and why he picked these kids.
-
That's just it. A lot of people say they'd jump in a freezing river to save a drowning child, but the reality is that when it comes time those claims are much more difficult to act upon.
It's just human nature.
https://sports.yahoo.com/ex-arkansas-browns-rb-peyton-hillis-reportedly-unconscious-in-icu-after-swimming-accident-while-saving-his-family-170501087.html
This guy knows what he would do.
-
He sounds like the Chicos of psychos
Nah. If that were true, he would have just annoyed them to death.