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MUScoop => The Superbar => Topic started by: tower912 on November 08, 2022, 10:40:14 AM
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Exercise your right!
Early and often!
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Exercise your right!
Early and often!
Encourage all your deceased relatives to as well, and work with your local officials to assist in doing so if you need help!
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Vote for your neighbors as well, especially if they have a yard sign of the opposing party.
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Planning to vote in MO and WI.
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Voted the first day of early voting.
Eat a dick to all you politicians that continued to send me mailers, texts, and commercials! 💪💪💪
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My vote kancelled out won of y'all's vote, hey?
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My vote kancelled out won of y'all's vote, hey?
You actually left the basement and ventured out into this scary world?
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OK; will do!!!!
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Planning to vote in MO and WI.
One more and you coulda matched Mark Meadows!
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Just finished with a group of 100 Get Out the Vote canvassers. Kids aged 16-17.
Great time.
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Just finished with a group of 100 Get Out the Vote canvassers. Kids aged 16-17.
Great time.
Gross
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Gross
One hundred (100) not Gross (144).
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Just finished with a group of 100 Get Out the Vote canvassers. Kids aged 16-17.
Great time.
Important. One day they can whisper to their grandchildren about what it was like to freely vote.
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Important. One day they can whisper to their grandchildren about what it was like to freely vote.
You one of them democracy is dead guys?
Guam hates democracy.
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The "Save Democracy, Vote for me!" crowd. A minimum requirement for my vote is the candidate needs the cognitive ability to complete coherent and cohesive sentences.
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The "Save Democracy, Vote for me!" crowd. A minimum requirement for my vote is the candidate needs the cognitive ability to complete coherent and cohesive sentences.
So, you won’t be voting for president in 2024?
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So, you won’t be voting for president in 2024?
You guys won’t let him run again
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So, you won’t be voting for president in 2024?
Hilarious and also frightfully possible.
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You guys won’t let him run again
Trump or Biden?
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Or all of the above?
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Trump or Biden?
"They're all pretty bad." - Matt "Guitar" Murphy.
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"They're all pretty bad." - Matt "Guitar" Murphy.
Well, they are old…
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It felt very good casting my vote today. A lot of smiling faces at my polling location. I always love to see happy, positive people that are excited to cast their ballot.
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Our polling places still have long lines this evening.
We just ran a call to one of them. A person waiting in line suffered a series of seizures. We attended to him. Once he was recovered, he was adamant he was not going to go to the hospital without voting. I talked to the supervisor. Poll watchers from both sides watched as they brought him a ballot. We gave him space and he voted. He then agreed to go to the hospital.
All of the election volunteers and poll watchers were professional, mature, and accepting of an unusual situation. Nobody made an ass of themselves.
Really cool.
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ZFB is an experienced pole watcher
I’m gonna head out to vote shortly. Wanted to earlier but too busy (Scoop)
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ZFB is an experienced pole watcher
Well played.
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Mail in voting for me. Very convenient.
Reportedly an average wait time at the polls of two minutes in GA today. I hope nobody was too dehydrated to vote thanks to JC 2.0
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Mail in voting for me. Very convenient.
Reportedly an average wait time at the polls of two minutes in GA today. I hope nobody was too dehydrated to vote thanks to JC 2.0
Glad the wait times were short. Sounds like the Georgia legislature and governor passed an unnecessary law -- government overreach, pushing a solution that was looking for a non-existent problem.
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It felt very good casting my vote today. A lot of smiling faces at my polling location. I always love to see happy, positive people that are excited to cast their ballot.
Same, I'm 99.99% certain that the person in front of me, and behind me in line were voting for completely opposite candidates, but we all had a good and pleasant conversation while waiting in line.
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Glad the wait times were short. Sounds like the Georgia legislature and governor passed an unnecessary law -- government overreach, pushing a solution that was looking for a non-existent problem.
Or the issues from last election were fixed.
Has Stacey Abrams conceded from last election yet?
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Florida runs clean and efficient elections that the rest of the country could learn from - basically all votes counted 2 hours after the polls closed.
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Florida runs clean and efficient elections that the rest of the country could learn from - basically all votes counted 2 hours after the polls closed.
Couldn't every state easily decide to do this? Is there a reason some might not?
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As usual, I was a 2-minute man tonight. Walked in, immediately had a booth opened up and voted. Bounced. So easy
PS if you wear an I voted sticker after voting u got problems
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Polls closed at 7 pm in Nevada. At 6:58 I saw a campaign commercial on TV. Who is that ad aimed at? The last person in line at the polls that happens to be watching TV on his phone?
ETA: They just showed another one 30 minutes after the polls closed.
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Polls closed at 7 pm in Nevada. At 6:58 I saw a campaign commercial on TV. Who is that ad aimed at? The last person in line at the polls that happens to be watching TV on his phone?
ETA: They just showed another one 30 minutes after the polls closed.
idk.maybe you just have to pay for the whole day
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Polls closed at 7 pm in Nevada. At 6:58 I saw a campaign commercial on TV. Who is that ad aimed at? The last person in line at the polls that happens to be watching TV on his phone?
ETA: They just showed another one 30 minutes after the polls closed.
Media buys can often be an imperfect art. Sometimes they will slot a buy for a network from 4-8PM or the like. And so an ad will run a number of times in that period. So you buy the time to get the slots early in the window, knowing some will fall after.
Sometimes, especially with digital, it’s a week long buy. So you’ll get sports related ads, for example, after a game already happens.
Also, sometimes they just screw up placement too, especially with local ads that are shoehorned into limited slots in national programming
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Or the issues from last election were fixed.
Has Stacey Abrams conceded from last election yet?
Nope, and she obviously should have.
But what really sucked was the way she fomented a treasonous, lawless, violent, cop-injuring coup attempt at the Georgia Capitol.
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Florida runs clean and efficient elections that the rest of the country could learn from - basically all votes counted 2 hours after the polls closed.
It has nothing to do with being “clean and efficient.” Florida can run mail in ballots through scanners before the polls close. State law in places like Wisconsin doesn’t allow for that.
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It has nothing to do with being “clean and efficient.” Florida can run mail in ballots through scanners before the polls close. State law in places like Wisconsin doesn’t allow for that.
So what’s not “clean and efficient” about getting 99% of 7.6 million votes accurately counted in 2 hours?
Meanwhile, Arizona expects to have their votes counted by Friday.
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So what’s not “clean and efficient” about getting 99% of 7.6 million votes accurately counted in 2 hours?
Meanwhile, Arizona expects to have their votes counted by Friday.
It’s a mystery
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Yes, the law allowing mail in ballots to be tallied prior to the polls closing is a good one that I wish other states would copy.
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So what’s not “clean and efficient” about getting 99% of 7.6 million votes accurately counted in 2 hours?
Meanwhile, Arizona expects to have their votes counted by Friday.
I’ll give you efficient. But of course that’s mostly due to differing state laws.
But there is nothing cleaner about Florida elections. That implies that other states are dirtier. Not the case.
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Will Marijuana have another overwhelming legalize it referendum that will be again completely ignored by our elected officials thanks to the tavern league?
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Will Marijuana have another overwhelming legalize it referendum that will be again completely ignored by our elected officials thanks to the tavern league?
Yes
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Will Marijuana have another overwhelming legalize it referendum that will be again completely ignored by our elected officials thanks to the tavern league?
Pro tip: go to rockford, not south beloit. South beloit has higher prices for us WI folks.
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BTW, what a waste of time, money and angst this entire election cycle has been to end up with something similar to what we had before. I guess the Presidential election process will start next week. ::) The European parliamentary system has never looked better.
Everyone needs to take a break. Shut off the cable news. Go for a walk. Hug your friend who votes differently then you, grab a beer, and bitch about the Packers.
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It was rapturous today to see commercials for a Casino, furniture store, prescription medicine, and the Good Feet store in a bloc.
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It was rapturous today to see commercials for a Casino, furniture store, prescription medicine, and the Good Feet store in a bloc.
I have never been so happy to see Christmas commercials.
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You and me both, brother.
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BTW, what a waste of time, money and angst this entire election cycle has been to end up with something similar to what we had before. I guess the Presidential election process will start next week. ::) The European parliamentary system has never looked better.
Everyone needs to take a break. Shut off the cable news. Go for a walk. Hug your friend who votes differently then you, grab a beer, and bitch about the Packers.
Oh, you didn't notice the House flipped and the wicked witch of the west is dead, hey?
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Oh, you didn't notice the House flipped and the wicked witch of the west is dead, hey?
I noticed it flipped. Congrats I guess? That means even less is going to get done the next two years. Sounds fun.
But really, I know you are scared to leave the house these days, but you really should go for a walk. Your obsessions aren't doing you any good.
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It was a very bad night for Republicans.
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Seems that even the majority in deep-red states think big government should stay the hell out of women's uteri.
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It was a very bad night for MAGA Republicans.
FTFY
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Kind of amazing this thread made it to a third page, really.
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Well the other good thing is that there was neither widespread election denial nor widespread election intimidation. People just went out and voted with almost all candidates accepting the results (so far).
Democracy worked!
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So yesterday I go vote at my local voting center, about 2 pm. I have my ID and Clerk checks the roster and says, .."looks like you voted already" I look at the box, and sure enough, someone had signed my name in the box, and voted for me. I say, but I just got here, must be some mistake. They call someone from the back room, and he says just sign over the top of that signature and let him vote again.
I have a meeting with the village clerk later today to try to understand. My guess is the early voting, someone drew my name, had someone verify it and send it in to be counted.
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Well the other good thing is that there was neither widespread election denial nor widespread election intimidation. People just went out and voted with almost all candidates accepting the results (so far).
Democracy worked!
Wonder what changed since the last major elections to allow that to happen...
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FTFY
Other than basically Florida 's huge wins it was a bad night for Republicans across the board.
And the Arizona voting issue is potentially a lingering nightmare. Trump still won't go away and the Dems were shrewd to vote for Trump candidates. Maybe DeSantis can win the nomination over Trump but it doesn't appear likely right now. As a side note the four candidates for the two key states are among the worst in human history. We also have no idea who the Dem nominee will be in 2024. I'm also not sure moderates exist anymore for either party. Maybe Mo Khanna? I dunno.
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I've been doing mail in / drop off ballots for so long I don't even understand this "go vote" thing anymore. I dropped my ballot off (in a box, not mail) early last week, it was counted last Friday, and I got email notifications to let me know when it was mailed, received, and counted. Y'all are doing it wrong :)
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So yesterday I go vote at my local voting center, about 2 pm. I have my ID and Clerk checks the roster and says, .."looks like you voted already" I look at the box, and sure enough, someone had signed my name in the box, and voted for me. I say, but I just got here, must be some mistake. They call someone from the back room, and he says just sign over the top of that signature and let him vote again.
I have a meeting with the village clerk later today to try to understand. My guess is the early voting, someone drew my name, had someone verify it and send it in to be counted.
WTF?? Wow.
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It was a very bad night for Republicans.
Nah Mugster, the frontrunner for the Pale House in '24 emerged and was magnificent in his victory speech. As I see it, a very good night, hey?
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Pro tip: go to rockford, not south beloit. South beloit has higher prices for us WI folks.
first time someone has ever said "go to Rockford"
But seriously Prairie St Brewery is surprisingly cool with a good view and better food than I expected in rockford
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Other than basically Florida 's huge wins it was a bad night for Republicans across the board.
And the Arizona voting issue is potentially a lingering nightmare. Trump still won't go away and the Dems were shrewd to vote for Trump candidates. Maybe DeSantis can win the nomination over Trump but it doesn't appear likely right now. As a side note the four candidates for the two key states are among the worst in human history. We also have no idea who the Dem nominee will be in 2024. I'm also not sure moderates exist anymore for either party. Maybe Mo Khanna? I dunno.
Of course they do. Tony Evers is a moderate-left candidate who wins because there is nothing really controversial about him and he gets stuff done - well as much as he can given the legislature. That being said, if Republicans would have nominated the moderate-right candidate in Kleefisch, she very well may have won.
There are plenty of other examples out there who don't really grab the headlines. But they are out there.
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Nah Mugster, the frontrunner for the Pale House in '24 emerged and was magnificent in his victory speech. As I see it, a very good night, hey?
Outstanding pivot from Orange is Best President Ever to Orange Lite will be Best President Ever.
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We will see. There are always front-runners early and many fail to live up to expectations. I think Biden (like most incumbents) is going to be hard to beat anyway. But he will be 81(!) so who knows.
I'm not going to think much about it for awhile though. Not much reason to.
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Of course they do. Tony Evers is a moderate-left candidate who wins because there is nothing really controversial about him and he gets stuff done - well as much as he can given the legislature. That being said, if Republicans would have nominated the moderate-right candidate in Kleefisch, she very well may have won.
There are plenty of other examples out there who don't really grab the headlines. But they are out there.
Last night made it abundantly clear that the more "traditional" republicans outperformed the Trump-endorsed MAGA candidates across the board. On the flip side, Democrat candidates who denounced Biden's student loan forgiveness have done relatively poorly. Looks like Gen Z has had their say.
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Outstanding pivot from Orange is Best President Ever to Orange Lite will be Best President Ever.
Change is the one constant. Trump's time had come and is now gone. For the good of the country, I hope he doesn't run. Both he and Biden, for one thing, are too fookin' old. I am 100% on the DeSantis bandwagon and have been for the past year. A DeSantis/Haley or DeSantis/Pompeo ticket will be tough to beat, aina?
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Other than basically Florida 's huge wins it was a bad night for Republicans across the board.
And the Arizona voting issue is potentially a lingering nightmare. Trump still won't go away and the Dems were shrewd to vote for Trump candidates. Maybe DeSantis can win the nomination over Trump but it doesn't appear likely right now. As a side note the four candidates for the two key states are among the worst in human history. We also have no idea who the Dem nominee will be in 2024. I'm also not sure moderates exist anymore for either party. Maybe Mo Khanna? I dunno.
Most politicians are actually moderates, but they don't grab headlines so we don't hear about them. Both parties have extreme members with significant voting blocks behind them so the moderates have to cater to them for their votes. The difference is that since 2016, the extreme faction on the right has grown to a larger percentage of the party than past years and has gotten more power, though last night may be a message that the moderate conservative voters are sick of it and want their party back. The other difference is that on a world stage, our liberal extremes would be considered moderate liberals and our moderate liberals would be considered moderate conservatives.
24 will be interesting. If 45 runs and fails to win the nomination, I don't see him being a good teammate and endorsing the nominee and that could take a significant chunk of MAGA voters out of the equation. If he does win, last night may indicate that moderate conservatives will cross to the other side of the aisle. I think the best hope for conservatives is that somehow, some way, 45 decides to stay home. Gonna try not to think about all that until I have to.
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Hm, it appears page 4 won't happen.
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That being said, if Republicans would have nominated the moderate-right candidate in Kleefisch, she very well may have won.
TBH, I don't think so. I don't feel that WI GOP voters are particularly nuanced in their voting.
In the end .. very very few votes switched from 2018. Yes, Evers got 30k more than 2018. Is that explained by the candidate, or the national GOP platform (of you know, insurrection, conspiracy and stuff) ?
It is fascinating that Waukesha/Oz counties were significantly less red. Mequon of all places was 114 votes away from turning blue. That's incredible.
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TBH, I don't think so. I don't feel that WI GOP voters are particularly nuanced in their voting.
In the end .. very very few votes switched from 2018. Yes, Evers got 30k more than 2018. Is that explained by the candidate, or the national GOP platform (of you know, insurrection, conspiracy and stuff) ?
It is fascinating that Waukesha/Oz counties were significantly less red. Mequon of all places was 114 votes away from turning blue. That's incredible.
That really is incredible.
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Two many woke folks in Da Quon. Almost too da point dat ya bust out inn hives, hey?
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Two many woke folks in Da Quon. Almost too da point dat ya bust out inn hives, hey?
Can always move.
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Hm, it appears page 4 won't happen.
Why? It seems like people are having a rational discussion.
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We will see. There are always front-runners early and many fail to live up to expectations. I think Biden (like most incumbents) is going to be hard to beat anyway. But he will be 81(!) so who knows.
I'm not going to think much about it for awhile though. Not much reason to.
That should be the overriding thought for the next 15 months.
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Why? It seems like people are having a rational discussion.
I locked it. It appears Topper disagreed. Rational, sure. Political. Yes.
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(I didn't unlock the thread ..)
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Oh, you didn't notice the House flipped and the wicked witch of the west is dead, hey?
I wouldn't count your chickens yet. If I'm reading correctly, if the current leads hold, the house would end 219R/216D. There are a lot of close elections left and mail in votes are typically counted last and they typically lean left.
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I locked it. It appears Topper disagreed. Rational, sure. Political. Yes.
(I didn't unlock the thread ..)
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I locked it. It appears Topper disagreed. Rational, sure. Political. Yes.
Fair enough. You two can duke it out.
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Can always move.
Nah, River Hills isn't any better, aina?
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Hah, it appears we do have a double negative glitch in the machine!
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Of course they do. Tony Evers is a moderate-left candidate who wins because there is nothing really controversial about him and he gets stuff done - well as much as he can given the legislature. That being said, if Republicans would have nominated the moderate-right candidate in Kleefisch, she very well may have won.
There are plenty of other examples out there who don't really grab the headlines. But they are out there.
I very much agree with this. Michels was too close to Trump. Independents and centrists likely ran away from him. That, most often, decides close races.
On the other side of the aisle, the D's would probably won the Wi senate seat if they picked someone other than Barnes. It's about electability.
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Two many woke folks in Da Quon. Almost too da point dat ya bust out inn hives, hey?
Woke 😂😂😂
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I very much agree with this. Michels was too close to Trump. Independents and centrists likely ran away from him. That's, most often, decides close races.
On the other side of the aisle, the D's would probably won the Wi senate seat if they picked someone other than Barnes. It's about electability.
I think there's more blind loyalty to party than ever before.
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R's need better candidates and need them badly. Bad candidates, coupled with Trump endorsements, was not a good plan for success. I am hoping there will be better days ahead for R party, but we need to so some house cleaning.
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Hah, it appears we do have a double negative glitch in the machine!
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Spiral's just sitting in the background pulling all the strings
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I think there's more blind loyalty to party than ever before.
Eh, I’d be very curious to see the cross tabs from this one. The red wave should have been a given. The fact that it wasn’t is quite shocking to me. I don’t know if this an anomaly or a new norm. I’d lean anomaly but what happens next week when the biggest loser from last night announces his decision will be informative
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I think the young vote was severely underpolled.
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I think the young vote was severely underpolled.
You're probably correct. As well as the overturning of Roe vote.
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R's need better candidates and need them badly. Bad candidates, coupled with Trump endorsements, was not a good plan for success. I am hoping there will be better days ahead for R party, but we need to so some house cleaning.
True dat but there were awful candidates across the board. Trump needs to take a one way ticket to the Mariana Trench Goose. :)
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I think there's more blind loyalty to party than ever before.
And yet Wisconsin is electing a Democratic Governor and Republican Senator in the same election. Colorado-03, a Republican stronghold is on the verge of bouncing Boebert, one of the main MAGA spokespeople. I think there's more nuance than you are giving credit for.
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I think the young vote was severely underpolled.
Young women
SCOTUS probably drove them to the polls
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Rico,
Believe it or not, but I think R's have more common sense than you think they do. There were several, if not more, R candidates and I would have taken a hard pass on. I would rather take my chances in two years than vote for someone that has no business running for office. It is time for R's to demand good candidates, IMO.
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Eh, I’d be very curious to see the cross tabs from this one. The red wave should have been a given. The fact that it wasn’t is quite shocking to me. I don’t know if this an anomaly or a new norm. I’d lean anomaly but what happens next week when the biggest loser from last night announces his decision will be informative
Considering the history of midterm elections, last night almost qualifies as a blue wave especially during the 1st term of a D president. Clinton lost 54 seats. Obama lost 60. Those are in the house. They also both lost Senate seats.
This team, they may lose 5-10 seats (still up in the air) in the House and could actually gain in the Senate. But if things break right over the next few days, this is a huge wave for the blue team.
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Change is the one constant. Trump's time had come and is now gone. For the good of the country, I hope he doesn't run. Both he and Biden, for one thing, are too fookin' old. I am 100% on the DeSantis bandwagon and have been for the past year. A DeSantis/Haley or DeSantis/Pompeo ticket will be tough to beat, aina?
The first time he gets called Ron DeDumpAss or GoGo Boots DeSantis he will shrivel and melt
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Rico,
Believe it or not, but I think R's have more common sense than you think they do. There were several, if not more, R candidates and I would have taken a hard pass on. I would rather take my chances in two years than vote for someone that has no business running for office. It is time for R's to demand good candidates, IMO.
Do you really think that a party that sold out almost 100% for Trump has common sense?
Common sense would have been to repudiate trump and take the huge gains that were just sitting on the table for them.
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Jockey
I am talking about individual R's, not the party. As a lifelong R, I think last night was victory because the Trump candidates struggled.
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Rico,
Believe it or not, but I think R's have more common sense than you think they do. There were several, if not more, R candidates and I would have taken a hard pass on. I would rather take my chances in two years than vote for someone that has no business running for office. It is time for R's to demand good candidates, IMO.
I agree with this. Actions will speak louder than words. Now is the time for the party to cut all ties with Trump
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In the end, I just don't think there are many votes up for grabs in Wisconsin, very few people who can be convinced to switch teams.
Evers and Michels .. are terrible candidates (for different reasons.)
The economy should have been a big driver. Inflation, big driver. January 6th, big driver. Election denial, big driver. Trump, big driver. Crime, big driver. Dobbs/Abortion, big driver.
Yet the results are plus or minus a fraction of a percent from 2018, 2020.
Either all those big drivers evened out, or none of them made any difference and Wisconsin voters have chosen sides already and issues nor candidates really move the needle.
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Topper
I know a number of R's that did not vote for Governor in WI because they felt Michels was a poor candidate. I thought he was a very poor candidate. IMO, R's lost to Evers because Michels was bad candidate and folks decided not to vote that race.
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Full disclosure, I'm a political orphan. Longtime GOP voter they lost when they sold out to Trump. Still have a lot of interest in this stuff, though.
I can't get over how far behind Evers Barnes ran. 61,000 votes! I thought the Dems needed a candidate who was similar to Evers... not much of a policy background to attack, uncontroversial, almost boring. That formula worked statewide against controversial opponents like Walker and Michels.
Instead they cleared the deck for Barnes without vetting him fully. Interviews with Russian TV, the unpaid taxes, Abolish ICE, etc. It gave the GOP all the ammo they needed to attack him, and his campaign never fully recovered. A massive missed opportunity for the Democrats.
Also what the national Dem party did to Brad Pfaff was shameful. Hung him out to dry and let a January 6th participant flip a seat.
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Jockey
I am talking about individual R's, not the party. As a lifelong R, I think last night was victory because the Trump candidates struggled.
Got it.
And to your later remarks, Michels was a terrible candidate. but, so was Barnes. Both those races were there for the taking if better candidates were running.
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Topper
I know a number of R's that did not vote for Governor in WI because they felt Michels was a poor candidate. I thought he was a very poor candidate. IMO, R's lost to Evers because Michels was bad candidate and folks decided not to vote that race.
No doubt, since Michels underperformed Walker (2018) by 30k, your theory could be in play.
But .. even if Michels kept all of Walker's voters, he'd still have lost.
Dems have won 16 of the last 19 state-wide races. Frankly, it's been tough for GOP candidates to win without the gerrymandering picking their voters.
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Dems told Lasry and Godlewski, 2 weeks before the primary, to step aside for Barnes. Very bad error in judgment, hey?
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I'm surprised Ron Johnson could win with the entire FBI conspiring against him.
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Dems told Lasry and Godlewski, 2 weeks before the primary, to step aside for Barnes. Very bad error in judgment, hey?
They did that because Barnes was going to win and they didn't want him wasting any more cash.
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We also have no idea who the Dem nominee will be in 2024. I'm also not sure moderates exist anymore for either party. Maybe Mo Khanna? I dunno.
When anyone has brought up who will be the Dem nominee, I ask them, "Who had heard of Bill Clinton in November of 1990"?
It wouldn't shock me if something similar happened in 2024.
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When anyone has brought up who will be the Dem nominee, I ask them, "Who had heard of Bill Clinton in November of 1990"?
He wasn't a front-runner, but hardly an unknown. He gave that disasterous speech at the Democratic Convention in '88, only to redeem himself playing the sax on the Tonight Show.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TfcKQcGg_sM
Like Obama in 2008, he was one of those "second-tier" candidates who people thought might be able to break through.
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They did that because Barnes was going to win and they didn't want him wasting any more cash.
Maybe and yes. Polls are polls. Lasry was 4 points down when he quit! Let the voters vote.
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Interesting evening last night in Florida.
It wasn't that Governor Ron DeSantis and Senator Little Marco won. It's how they won.
Governor DeSantis carried Miami-Dade handily. That had been a Democratic stronghold in our state. Not no more.
The Governor even carried Palm Beach County. For those of you who remember, Palm Beach County is where the blue-haired Jewish ladies inadvertently cast a few hundred votes for Pat Buchannan, ensuring that George Bush carried the state and won the Presidency. Palm Beach County has been a solid, Democratic county. They elect Lois Frankel, the most liberal congresswoman in Florida. Their children voted for Governor DeSantis!
Governor DeSantis carried all but five counties, two around Tallahassee, Orange, Broward and one in the middle of the state. That's amazing down here, especially since he ran against an experienced and well-known opponent.
Senator Little Marco, who ran one of the more disgusting and irrelevant campaigns I've ever seen, rolled up similar vote totals but didn't carry Palm Beach County.
If Governor DeSantis wasn't running for President before last night, he is now.
Finally, Sister Chick, if President Biden doesn't run, and I have to believe his age and health won't let him, I'm guessing the race would be between Gavin Newsom, Pete Buttigieg, Kamala Harris and Gretchen Whitmer. Look for JB Pritzker to throw his oversized hat in the ring. With the money he brings to the table, he's more of a possibility than anyone would admit. I'd find a race between Governor DeSantis and any of the Democratic governors in this group fascinating.
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He wasn't a front-runner, but hardly an unknown. He gave that disasterous speech at the Democratic Convention in '88, only to redeem himself playing the sax on the Tonight Show.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TfcKQcGg_sM
Like Obama in 2008, he was one of those "second-tier" candidates who people thought might be able to break through.
Josh Shapiro would be an excellent candidate as a moderate Dem. And it would be fun to see heads explode over a Jewish candidate for president.
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Josh Shapiro would be an excellent candidate as a moderate Dem. And it would be fun to see heads explode over a Jewish candidate for president.
Great way to bring MTG, Kanye and Kyrie together on stage 😂
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Josh Shapiro would be an excellent candidate as a moderate Dem. And it would be fun to see heads explode over a Jewish candidate for president.
Interesting but I think we would see the extent of antisemitism in this country.
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Brother dgies, are these really the four best Dems out there?
If I were Tammy Duckworth I'd be chomping at the bit to run. Given the recent positioning the Rs have done as the "patriot" party it'd be fascinating to see how the strategists/opposing campaigns would go after a double amputee veteran.
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He wasn't a front-runner, but hardly an unknown. He gave that disasterous speech at the Democratic Convention in '88, only to redeem himself playing the sax on the Tonight Show.
But was anyone talking about him as being on the short or even medium-list for nominees in November of 1990?
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Finally, Sister Chick, if President Biden doesn't run, and I have to believe his age and health won't let him, I'm guessing the race would be between Gavin Newsom, Pete Buttigieg, Kamala Harris and Gretchen Whitmer. Look for JB Pritzker to throw his oversized hat in the ring. With the money he brings to the table, he's more of a possibility than anyone would admit. I'd find a race between Governor DeSantis and any of the Democratic governors in this group fascinating.
I'd add Tim Ryan to that list.
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If I were Tammy Duckworth I'd be chomping at the bit to run. Given the recent positioning the Rs have done as the "patriot" party it'd be fascinating to see how the strategists/opposing campaigns would go after a double amputee veteran.
I think Ro Khanna could be a sleeper candidate. I would also be shocked if Kamala Harris ran. Last I checked her approval rating was south of 30%.
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Interesting but I think we would see the extent of antisemitism in this country.
Do you really think that there are more anti-semites than racists?
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Jockey
I am talking about individual R's, not the party. As a lifelong R, I think last night was victory because the Trump candidates struggled.
I agree with this. But as far as Wisconsin is concerned, the R's have generally solid candidates. Michels turned out to be a tough choice. But Ron Johnson wins a 3rd term and 6 of the 8 House Districts are represented by Rs. At the State level, Rs control the Assembly and Senate by ridiculous margins---to the point where they are within an eyelash of a veto proof supermajority.
I think, overall, the Rs in Wisconsin are doing their part.
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Do you really think that there are more anti-semites than racists?
Probably not but I think Obama was a really good politician and a likeable candidate compared to most. I also think there were votes that canceled out racist votes and that wouldn't happen with Shapiro.
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They did that because Barnes was going to win and they didn't want him wasting any more cash.
Nonsense, hey?
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Josh Shapiro would be an excellent candidate as a moderate Dem. And it would be fun to see heads explode over a Jewish candidate for president.
Kyrie wood chit his jockeys, aina?
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I think the R 2024 presidential candidates and Desantis in particular are going to have a fascinating needle to thread. How do you beat Trump in the primary without alienating the MAGA wing or the independents? Going to need both in the general.
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The red wave should have been a given. The fact that it wasn’t is quite shocking to me. I don’t know if this an anomaly or a new norm. I’d lean anomaly but what happens next week when the biggest loser from last night announces his decision will be informative
In the last 4 years, he lost the House, lost the presidency (and lost it dozens of times, if one counts all the court decisions against his yuge lie), lost the Senate, lost the House again, now perhaps lost the Senate again, and played a role in several GOP gubernatorial losses. Not to mention the loss of stature the United States suffered on the international stage because we have millions of people willing to worship a dictator-wannabe who staged a violent coup attempt against his own country.
Wow! Those who say he didn't accomplish anything are wrong. The man accomplished a ton -- of losing!
And yet so many in the party -- not just the base, but also party leaders -- still bend the knee to him. They can't afford to lose his whack-job voters, but he has emerged as a cancer to the party overall. Quite the pickle.
I agree with this. Actions will speak louder than words. Now is the time for the party to cut all ties with Trump
Well, the time for the party to cut all times with him was Jan. 6, 2021, and its aftermath.
It's amazing to go back today and re-read what so many Republicans were saying on 1/6/21. Graham was THROUGH with him! McCarthy was gonna tell him to resign! McConnell was thisclose to voting to convict!
The time to cut out the cancer was right then and there. But they lacked the political courage to do what was right for America -- and for their own party. So now they are saddled with the elephant who sucks the air out of every room. Piss him off enough and you lose the support of millions upon millions of cultists. Show blind devotion to him and a majority of independents -- a larger voting bloc than either R's or D's -- will vote Dem even when inflation is at a multi-decade high.
As you said, this should have been a slam-dunk red wave ... except that orange overwhelmed red.
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I think the R 2024 presidential candidates and Desantis in particular are going to have a fascinating needle to thread. How do you beat Trump in the primary without alienating the MAGA wing or the independents? Going to need both in the general.
It's a huge problem for him. He's going to have to find a way to mobilize indy voters to his side in swing states. And he cannot win the nomination without Ohio.
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Dream scenario : DeSantis beats Trump for the GOP nomination.
Trump launches campaign as an Independent.
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I'd add Tim Ryan to that list.
My preference right now is Gov Jaren Polis of Colorado. A pragmatic moderate who is dominating in a purple state, winning reelection by 17% last night.
It seems like the GOP is FINALLY realizing Trump is toxic. The problem is someone needs to have the balls to stand up to him. Look at Pennsylvania - a brain-damaged guy with a racist past was seen the superior candidate to Trump's choice (who was a terrible candidate). As for DeSantis, Trump sees the writing on the wall as he started attacking him last week, giving him the nickname "DeSanctimonius." When Trump goes full 2nd grade bully, you know that person is seen as a threat to him. Plenty of right leaning friends and family of mine voted against any Trump backed, election denying candidate. Hopefully, he'll be convicted and jailed soon.
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Dream scenario : DeSantis beats Trump for the GOP nomination.
Trump launches campaign as an Independent.
Then the Dem candidate would win easily.
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Then the Dem candidate would win easily.
Exactly ;D
Dream scenario : DeSantis beats Trump for the GOP nomination.
Trump launches campaign as an Independent.
I think a better dream would be a more moderate candidate beats Trump and DeSantis for the nomination. I think it could lead to the creation of a legitimate third party in between Maga and Dems. I mean likely not, but a guy can dream!
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I still say that trump is not running again. I could well be proven wrong, but Dems can’t get lucky enough for him to be on the ticket.
After last night a lot of Rs are gonna tell him no - even if they are too cowardly to say it publicly.
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Then the Dem candidate would win easily.
I hadn't thought of that! By golly, I think you're right.
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I still say that trump is not running again. I could well be proven wrong, but Dems can’t get lucky enough for him to be on the ticket.
After last night a lot of Rs are gonna tell him no - even if they are too cowardly to say it publicly.
Thing is, "a lot of Rs are gonna tell him no.." but he's got a total lock on a minimum of 50% of the GOP base. He could murder a bus full of nuns with puppies and those folks would still vote for him.
DeSantis could be endorsed by Jesus and it wouldn't matter.
I think Trump 100% runs, beginning next week, maybe sooner. And he'll announce it on DeSantis' front lawn.
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An R like Hogan of Maryland, if he could get out of the primary, would be very dangerous in the general.
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An R like Hogan of Maryland, if he could get out of the primary, would be very dangerous in the general.
Absolutely. The Independents - who decide the race love centrists.
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It seems like the GOP is FINALLY realizing Trump is toxic. The problem is someone needs to have the balls to stand up to him. Look at Pennsylvania - a brain-damaged guy with a racist past was seen the superior candidate to Trump's choice (who was a terrible candidate). As for DeSantis, Trump sees the writing on the wall as he started attacking him last week, giving him the nickname "DeSanctimonius." When Trump goes full 2nd grade bully, you know that person is seen as a threat to him. Plenty of right leaning friends and family of mine voted against any Trump backed, election denying candidate. Hopefully, he'll be convicted and jailed soon.
The GOP has known Trump is toxic for years, but a large majority of their voters do not. And while anything is possible, it's hard to imagine enough of them changing their minds over the next 18 months to make him a non-factor. Polling within the last week still shows Trump crushing DeSantis by 25+ points in a hypothetical primary matchup. Yesterday's results may ding Trump a bit and give DeSantis a boost, but 25 points is a lot to make up when you're dealing with a base as loyal as Trump's. These aren't "I like that guy" voters. They're "Let's storm the Capitol for that guy" voters.
The Republicans and their media ecosystem built a monster and now it's eating them.
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Would love to see a centrist 3rd party form from the ashes of the GOP that DJT turned away from conservative principles into an unrecognizable authoritarian populist party.
I think the "silent majority" that the media won't stop talking about are, in reality, neither modern conservatives nor liberals. They're the people who relish rationality that's so absent in politics and culture--fiscal responsibility and more localized government on the one hand, with equal rights and workable social safety nets on the other. Taking those values but removing the authoritarian politics (coming from the right) and speech-silencing Simpsons mob (coming from the left).
I think such a party would have real opportunities in a lot of purplish house districts, and can then wield power as moderating forces in order for the GOP or Dems to get legislation passed.
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I hadn't thought of that! By golly, I think you're right.
Then how is that the "ideal scenario," when 75% of the country thinks we're going in the wrong direction? Unless we get a true moderate Dem this would be the path to utter disaster. And brother dgies' final 4 are inexcusably AWFUL. Get rid of Trump, get rid of these far left clowns, and let's start over or let me run the country with total authority. :)
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Would love to see a centrist 3rd party form from the ashes of the GOP that DJT turned away from conservative principles into an unrecognizable authoritarian populist party.
I think the "silent majority" that the media won't stop talking about are, in reality, neither modern conservatives nor liberals. They're the people who relish rationality that's so absent in politics and culture--fiscal responsibility and more localized government on the one hand, with equal rights and workable social safety nets on the other. Taking those values but removing the authoritarian politics (coming from the right) and speech-silencing Simpsons mob (coming from the left).
I think such a party would have real opportunities in a lot of purplish house districts, and can then wield power as moderating forces in order for the GOP or Dems to get legislation passed.
Couldn't happen, social issues are way too polarizing. I do agree you're it's likely a silent majority but when it's distilled down you end up with even this large group, that agrees on a ton, pointing fingers and hating each other over things like sex Ed, abortion, LGBTQ rights, etc.
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But was anyone talking about him as being on the short or even medium-list for nominees in November of 1990?
Yes. Which is something you cut out of my quote. Not a first tier favorite, but a rising star most certainly.
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Then how is that the "ideal scenario," when 75% of the country thinks we're going in the wrong direction? Unless we get a true moderate Dem this would be the path to utter disaster. And brother dgies' final 4 are inexcusably AWFUL. Get rid of Trump, get rid of these far left clowns, and let's start over or let me run the country with total authority. :)
I think it's kinda funny that people don't view Joe Biden as a "moderate Dem." He is about as moderate as a Democrat gets.
And if inflation eases and the economy doesn't tank, those 75% will turn around pretty quickly.
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Then how is that the "ideal scenario," when 75% of the country thinks we're going in the wrong direction? Unless we get a true moderate Dem this would be the path to utter disaster. And brother dgies' final 4 are inexcusably AWFUL. Get rid of Trump, get rid of these far left clowns, and let's start over or let me run the country with total authority. :)
Biden is as about as moderate as they come Muggsy. Keep in mind that on the world stage, America sits to the right already. The problem is that half the country has been conned into thinking that all Democrats are far left. And if you have a problem with brother Dgies' list, why don't you tell us who you think would be good decmocratic candidates? My guess is that you would poo poo anyone with a D next to their name.
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Trump just posted this on his social media site.
"Now that the Election in Florida is over and everything went quite well, shouldn't it be said that in 2020, I got 1.1 million more votes in Florida than Ron D got this year, 5.7 million to 4.6 million? Just asking?"
This League!
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Would love to see a centrist 3rd party form from the ashes of the GOP that DJT turned away from conservative principles into an unrecognizable authoritarian populist party.
I think the "silent majority" that the media won't stop talking about are, in reality, neither modern conservatives nor liberals. They're the people who relish rationality that's so absent in politics and culture--fiscal responsibility and more localized government on the one hand, with equal rights and workable social safety nets on the other. Taking those values but removing the authoritarian politics (coming from the right) and speech-silencing Simpsons mob (coming from the left).
I think such a party would have real opportunities in a lot of purplish house districts, and can then wield power as moderating forces in order for the GOP or Dems to get legislation passed.
I think we desperately need a third party to emerge for the non-Maga republicans, centrists, and moderate democrats. Unfortunately I think Galway is right. We've turned politics into a team sport where candidates are expected to be in lock step with the party. Any dissent in the party ranks is quickly crushed. A centrist party would have to be comfortable with allowing their membership to vote freely and to openly disagree with each other even at the expense of the party. The social issues are just too polarizing.
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Would love to see a centrist 3rd party form from the ashes of the GOP that DJT turned away from conservative principles into an unrecognizable authoritarian populist party.
I think the "silent majority" that the media won't stop talking about are, in reality, neither modern conservatives nor liberals. They're the people who relish rationality that's so absent in politics and culture--fiscal responsibility and more localized government on the one hand, with equal rights and workable social safety nets on the other. Taking those values but removing the authoritarian politics (coming from the right) and speech-silencing Simpsons mob (coming from the left).
I think such a party would have real opportunities in a lot of purplish house districts, and can then wield power as moderating forces in order for the GOP or Dems to get legislation passed.
Pay attention.
What you propose has already happened. Most people won’t care. Or even realize it has happened already.
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Got it.
And to your later remarks, Michels was a terrible candidate. but, so was Barnes. Both those races were there for the taking if better candidates were running.
I was chatting with 2 of my good friends during coverage last night. Both Ohio natives, both spent long spells of time in Chicago like me, one is now in So Cal the other back in Columbus. We were chatting about how terrible some of the races were.
Wisconsin came up beyond just my residency. How Evers isn't great but Michels was a horrible candidate. How Ron Johnson...is Ron Johnson but yet Barnes was a terrible polarizing candidate as well. The only race we saw as equally damned if you do, damned if you don't was the aforementioned Fetterman/Oz debacle. A decent R candidate probably destroys Fetterman, even before the stroke, but you get Trumpy snake oil Oz and there you go.
Similarly, plenty of people not thrilled or in love with Pritzker in Illinois. But he runs against a numnut MAGA candidate and absolutely rolls
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Biden is as about as moderate as they come Muggsy. Keep in mind that on the world stage, America sits to the right already. The problem is that half the country has been conned into thinking that all Democrats are far left. And if you have a problem with brother Dgies' list, why don't you tell us who you think would be good decmocratic candidates? My guess is that you would poo poo anyone with a D next to their name.
Khanna or Klobuchar. Biden is not governing as a moderate and also has no idea what day it is 70% of the time. His "gaffes" are a euphemism for senility/dementia.
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Khanna or Klobuchar. Biden is not governing as a moderate and also has no idea what day it is 70% of the time. His "gaffes" are a euphemism for senility/dementia.
You are truly a moron. And a liar.
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Khanna or Klobuchar. Biden is not governing as a moderate and also has no idea what day it is 70% of the time. His "gaffes" are a euphemism for senility/dementia.
Yeah, you don't know what you are talking about.
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For a little fun, check out the Michigan and Pennsylvania legislatures. Things really change on a leveled out playing field.
Huge Supreme Court race coming up in Wisconsin in April, I believe and the same thing could happen here.
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Wisconsin came up beyond just my residency. How Evers isn't great but Michels was a horrible candidate. How Ron Johnson...is Ron Johnson but yet Barnes was a terrible polarizing candidate as well.
Both Johnson and Evers are similar in that they are pretty unassuming types that don't really have anything overly negative that are going to turn their "normal" supporters off. Outside of their political positions, there just really isn't anything to pin on them. The whole "Johnson hardly pays state taxes" was the best Barnes could do, but that wasn't really going to go anywhere. And Evers doesn't really come off as a militant "woke" liberal. As I mentioned to a co-worker, he's the type of guy you would ask to get your mail when you went on vacation and trust with your extra house key.
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I think it's kinda funny that people don't view Joe Biden as a "moderate Dem." He is about as moderate as a Democrat gets.
And if inflation eases and the economy doesn't tank, those 75% will turn around pretty quickly.
This exactly.
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They've already polled Kamala Harris vs. DeSantis several times (like this far out means anything) and she wins in the polling.
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I think it's kinda funny that people don't view Joe Biden as a "moderate Dem." He is about as moderate as a Democrat gets.
And if inflation eases and the economy doesn't tank, those 75% will turn around pretty quickly.
Biden himself may be moderate (which is why I supported him from the start of the primary season), but he is not governing as a moderate at all, and that's why I am looking elsewhere. I don't wish I had voted differently for a second, but there have been a number of decisions made that have made me very disappointed.
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Well, glad everyone had a chance to vote!