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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: MU82 on November 07, 2022, 09:01:10 AM
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The Athletic's "experts" predict Houston will win the national title, with Gonzaga close behind in the voting.
Other contenders: Baylor, UNC, Arkansas, Duke, Kentucky, Texas.
Here's what those picking Houston had to say:
The Cougars won 32 games last year. They made it to the Elite Eight, pushing Villanova to the brink. And they did that with Marcus Sasser playing all of 12 games. Now imagine what Houston can do with Sasser back, plus Jamal Shead, Tramon Marks, Reggie Chaney, plus two stud freshmen in Jarace Walker and Terrance Arceneaux? Oh, and Kelvin Sampson is still the coach. Gonzaga and Houston are the only two teams to rank in Ken Pomeroy’s top 10 in offense in defense the last two years. Don’t be surprised to see that matchup in the final this year. — Dana O’Neil
With a roster roiled by injuries to massively important players, all Houston did last year was finish in the top 10 in both offensive and defensive efficiency, while winning 32 games and reaching the Elite Eight. What happens when Sampson works with a full cupboard? Because Sasser and Mark are back, joined by five-star freshman Walker. I’m taking a risk that the injury issues won’t reoccur … but what fun is making a safe pick anyway? — Brian Hamilton
This will be the toughest team in the country to play against. They’re physical at the point of attack and all of their guys play with an exceptional motor. On top of that, they have the high-upside talent now with potential first-round picks in Sasser, Walker and Arceneaux. — Sam Vecenie
The Cougars are loaded; they have everything you need to win a national championship. They have big-game experience, with three star guards, a future potential lottery pick in Walker and are hard to prepare for in the way they defend/rebound. Bringing back Sasser, Mark, and Shead is huge, as they are arguably the best backcourt in the country. Lastly, they have an advantage that many haven’t considered. They battled a ton of injuries a year ago and bring back the majority of their roster, meaning their reserves have big game experience along with depth. — Tobias Bass
Sampson’s team is tough as nails and has arguably the best guard in the country coming back in Sasser. — Austin Meek
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Bold prediction - Houston is going to flirt with an undefeated record this year.
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Bold Prediction: Houston wins National Championship, NCAA conducts an investigation. Houston ordered to pay $43 , and lose 3 recruiting days
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Houston wins a championship and gets caught cheating? Deja vu all over again.
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Ahem
https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=63677.0
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Damn, Wiz, I didn't remember that thread, and I even commented within it. So sorry.
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Damn, Wiz, I didn't remember that thread, and I even commented within it. So sorry.
How dare you not keep track of every single thread and post of scoop. What could possibly be more important?
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I guess Baylor covered.
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Surprised Creighton able to hang with St. Thomas.
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Shouldn't have mocked.
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TCU survives by 1 to Arkansas Pine bluff
35.5 point favorites
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Crazy stuff, from The Athletic ... (the last line made me laugh)
Filed under “eye-popping”: Hartford basketball coach John Gallagher resigned his post yesterday, just one day before the season began, citing a consistent and dangerous lack of support from the university. The final straw, the coach told The Athletic, was the university declining to send an athletic trainer to a recent road scrimmage, in which a player hurt his knee. This is a team that’s supposed to play as a Division I independent this year. Not great, and now Jeff Saturday isn’t available.
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Crazy stuff, from The Athletic ... (the last line made me laugh)
Filed under “eye-popping”: Hartford basketball coach John Gallagher resigned his post yesterday, just one day before the season began, citing a consistent and dangerous lack of support from the university. The final straw, the coach told The Athletic, was the university declining to send an athletic trainer to a recent road scrimmage, in which a player hurt his knee. This is a team that’s supposed to play as a Division I independent this year. Not great, and now Jeff Saturday isn’t available.
They’re dropping to d3 and didn’t inform coaches before the decision. Seems like a move to show up the university.
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Crazy stuff, from The Athletic ... (the last line made me laugh)
Filed under “eye-popping”: Hartford basketball coach John Gallagher resigned his post yesterday, just one day before the season began, citing a consistent and dangerous lack of support from the university. The final straw, the coach told The Athletic, was the university declining to send an athletic trainer to a recent road scrimmage, in which a player hurt his knee. This is a team that’s supposed to play as a Division I independent this year. Not great, and now Jeff Saturday isn’t available.
The Coach is already suing the university I believe.
Lots of write-up on this in the Hartford Courant and New Haven Register. Basically the UHart President decided he didn't like D1 athletics, and decided to drop to D3. He commissioned an "economic review" of doing this that is universally agreed to be crap study that shows the university will save $13.5mil a year. (Every other independent look at it says $800K to $1mil savings only.) Oh, and they lost like their 5 biggest donors every year as a result to boot.
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The Coach is already suing the university I believe.
Lots of write-up on this in the Hartford Courant and New Haven Register. Basically the UHart President decided he didn't like D1 athletics, and decided to drop to D3. He commissioned an "economic review" of doing this that is universally agreed to be crap study that shows the university will save $13.5mil a year. (Every other independent look at it says $800K to $1mil savings only.) Oh, and they lost like their 5 biggest donors every year as a result to boot.
Thanks for providing some context. Makes more sense now.
They’re dropping to d3 and didn’t inform coaches before the decision. Seems like a move to show up the university.
Thanks for providing an opinion that might have some -- or absolutely no -- basis in fact.
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Thanks for providing some context. Makes more sense now.
Thanks for providing an opinion that might have some -- or absolutely no -- basis in fact.
The coach has been outspoken against this transition for awhile. I wouldn't doubt at all that he was looking for the right time to make such an announcement. How do you think the media received a copy of his resignation letter?
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They’re dropping to d3 and didn’t inform coaches before the decision. Seems like a move to show up the university.
They made the decision to drop down after the NCAA tourney game in 2021. Lawsuits to stop it were dismissed in December 2021. There was a year long process before making the formal decision in March 2022. Gallagher could have left well before yesterday.
https://www.hartford.edu/about/athletics-transition.aspx
https://www.hartford.edu/about/athletics-transition.aspx
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They made the decision to drop down after the NCAA tourney game in 2021. Lawsuits to stop it were dismissed in December 2021. There was a year long process before making the formal decision in March 2022. Gallagher could have left well before yesterday.
https://www.hartford.edu/about/athletics-transition.aspx
https://www.hartford.edu/about/athletics-transition.aspx
He is alleging breach of contract due to the lack of a trainer at the road game and the lack of an ability to purchase meals on road trips.
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He is alleging breach of contract due to the lack of a trainer at the road game and the lack of an ability to purchase meals on road trips.
According to his own letter, the trainer incident happened about two weeks ago . . . and he knew in advance there would be no trainer available yet took the team on the trip anyway.
I'm not saying he's not justified in quitting, but waiting until the eve of the season opener makes it seem more like a PR stunt. If he were truly concerned about the lack of a trainer at the scrimmage, he should have canceled it out of player safety concerns and quit before the scheduled trip.
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According to his own letter, the trainer incident happened about two weeks ago . . . and he knew in advance there would be no trainer available yet took the team on the trip anyway.
I'm not saying he's not justified in quitting, but waiting until the eve of the season opener makes it seem more like a PR stunt. If he were truly concerned about the lack of a trainer at the scrimmage, he should have canceled it out of player safety concerns and quit before the scheduled trip.
PR stunt is a bit of a stretch, but yeah he was waiting for the right time to make his point and suggested as such above.
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If he were truly concerned about the lack of a trainer at the scrimmage, he should have canceled it out of player safety concerns and quit before the scheduled trip.
That makes sense.
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Interesting times at Coppin State. The DOBO allegedly catfished then blackmailed a player and HC Juan Dixon didn’t take action.
https://baltimorebrew.com/2022/11/07/former-player-sues-coppin-state-over-alleged-sexual-assault-and-blackmail-by-coach/
A Coppin State University assistant basketball coach catfished a player online into providing intimate photos and texts, then blackmailed him into videotaping a sexual encounter before publicizing the material when the player resisted further demands for sex, a lawsuit filed in Baltimore City Circuit Court alleges.
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Interesting times at Coppin State. The DOBO allegedly catfished then blackmailed a player and HC Juan Dixon didn’t take action.
https://baltimorebrew.com/2022/11/07/former-player-sues-coppin-state-over-alleged-sexual-assault-and-blackmail-by-coach/
A Coppin State University assistant basketball coach catfished a player online into providing intimate photos and texts, then blackmailed him into videotaping a sexual encounter before publicizing the material when the player resisted further demands for sex, a lawsuit filed in Baltimore City Circuit Court alleges.
Coppin State to get NCAA death penalty
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Bellarmine is the king of Louisville, knocking off the Cards tonight. Not a good start for Kenny Payne. Only BU’s third year in D1.
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/game/_/gameId/401485295
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Bellarmine is the king of Louisville, knocking off the Cards tonight. Not a good start for Kenny Payne. Only BU’s third year in D1.
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/game/_/gameId/401485295
To be fair, Bellarmine is solid. Top D2 program who competed in the ASun immediately. Won their conference tournament last year. Louisville was only favored by like 7. So that’s a 4 pt spread on a neutral floor.
Fun fact, Bellarmine’s home floor is Freedom Hall
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To be fair, Bellarmine is solid. Top D2 program who competed in the ASun immediately. Won their conference tournament last year. Louisville was only favored by like 7. So that’s a 4 pt spread on a neutral floor.
Fun fact, Bellarmine’s home floor is Freedom Hall
They are (and it's too bad their request to waive the 4 year transition period was denied), but we're talking A-Sun against ACC. It's a major indictment of how far Louisville has fallen. You hate to see it. ;D
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USC destroying Alabama State in the late game, nbd. Made me consider 2 things.
1) Impressed Andy Enfield is still there. But then you realize USC's never been a good job. In the shadow of UCLA basketball and their own football prowess. Looked back to Al's era and Enfield might actually be their best coach in 50 years, since Bob Boyd. Nobody was making the NCAA multiple times, not even Tim Floyd's dirty teams had much meaningful success. Bibby made the fluke E8 with Scalabrine, but his tenure was just meh.
So it makes sense that Enfield has gotten some leash. But they've finished top 3 in the Pac12 3 years in a row. Have nice returning talent and picked 4th this year, should be a fringe top 25 team. Good for him. Cause it certainly seemed random as a fully East Coast guy going to the other coast.
2) Speaking of coasts and Enfield and USC...they lost their season opener to his former Dunk City compatriots and Mr Mediocre himself, Pat Chambers. FGCU then promptly lost to Steve Lavin and USD.
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Notre Dame almost lost to Radford last night, didn't take the lead until 0:02 left from what I've read.
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Had the Duke / SC Upstate game on my second screen without sound, and they flashed a stat for "True Freshman 3pt %", I guess not surprisingly, Howard and Novak had the top 2 spots, apparently SC Upstate had the #3 spot (assuming from a current Soph since it'd be too soon to claim a current frosh holds the 3rd spot) - but who cares about the 3rd spot. We're # 1, and #2!?
* Edit: Jordan Gainey - current soph for SC Upstate.
** Edit 2: Markus @ 54.7%, Novak @ 50.5%, Gainey @ 49.6% (min 100 attempts)
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Had the Duke / SC Upstate game on my second screen without sound, and they flashed a stat for "True Freshman 3pt %", I guess not surprisingly, Howard and Novak had the top 2 spots, apparently SC Upstate had the #3 spot (assuming from a current Soph since it'd be too soon to claim a current frosh holds the 3rd spot) - but who cares about the 3rd spot. We're # 1, and #2!?
Didn't both Novak and Howard have a season where they shot over 94% from the FT line? The one cool thing about the Mighty Mites is that when we had a lead down the stretch the game was essentially over. It's a shame Rowsey wasn't 6'5.
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Watching Purdue/Austin Peay. As good as Edey is on offense, he is a liabilty on defense if you get him in pick and roll or have a big that can drive.
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Had the Duke / SC Upstate game on my second screen without sound, and they flashed a stat for "True Freshman 3pt %", I guess not surprisingly, Howard and Novak had the top 2 spots, apparently SC Upstate had the #3 spot (assuming from a current Soph since it'd be too soon to claim a current frosh holds the 3rd spot) - but who cares about the 3rd spot. We're # 1, and #2!?
* Edit: Jordan Gainey - current soph for SC Upstate.
** Edit 2: Markus @ 54.7%, Novak @ 50.5%, Gainey @ 49.6% (min 100 attempts)
Son of former MU Assistant Justin Gainey.
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Son of former MU Assistant Justin Gainey.
Hah, nice. Guess I haven't been paying enough attention. We'll give MU 2.5 of the top 3 then :)
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UW- 32
Stanford- 20
at the half.
UW- 12/35 FG
Stanford- 7/22 FG
UW- 3/11 3FG
Stanford- 0/10 3FG
A ton of open looks for both teams. Just an overall ugly basketball game.
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Rob Dauster on the Brew City Battle between UW-Madison and Stanford.
"The only thing that could have made this event better is if they got 2 good teams to play in it."
Great line.
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Georgetown scored 61 against UWGB. In the second half.
Not here to talk about Georgetown, though. UWGB is one of the worst teams in college basketball again. I know the Phoenix aren’t going to be the next Butler or something like that, but they started the year 350 on KenPom and we’re terrible the first two years of the Will Ryan era. Curious how long the nepotism leash is
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Wright St buzzer beats 0-2 Louisville. Lol
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Congrats to Wright St.
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Georgetown scored 61 against UWGB. In the second half.
Not here to talk about Georgetown, though. UWGB is one of the worst teams in college basketball again. I know the Phoenix aren’t going to be the next Butler or something like that, but they started the year 350 on KenPom and we’re terrible the first two years of the Will Ryan era. Curious how long the nepotism leash is
It was a preposterous hire even at the time. He wasnt a good D2 HC in his short tenure, and before that he was the lead assistant in a coaching staff that failed miserably. The previous 3 coaches at OU made the NCAA and left for better jobs. Phillips made a CBI and ended up in the bottom half of the MAC. But sure, get Ryan cause who his Dad is.
Unrelated, Emoni Bates scored 30 in his first game for EMU and they took Michigan to the wire. Good for him. Truly hope he can be an impact player there and get his life/career back on track.
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Congrats to Wright St.
Biggest win since knocking off Michigan State in 1999.
Love the taunt in Dayton: “Wright State, wrong school.”
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Colorado just lost to Grambling State a few days ago.
Colorado now leads #11 Tennessee 66-55 with 3:00 left.
That's college hoops!
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Mr. Aidoo barely getting any run for the Vols.
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Wyoming lost to SE Louisiana as a 22 point favorite.
The Moutain West had a ton of bids last year IIRC.
SE Louisiana was 325 in KenPom. Does that basically eliminate their At Large hopes this year?
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Wyoming lost to SE Louisiana as a 22 point favorite.
The Moutain West had a ton of bids last year IIRC.
SE Louisiana was 325 in KenPom. Does that basically eliminate their At Large hopes this year?
No. They have games against Dayton and St. Mary’s and an ok game against Grand Canyon. They don’t have much room for error anymore and puts a lot of pressure on those games. They’ll get cracks at San Diego State, too
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Thank you Northwestern State. :)
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St. John's has the weakest non-conference schedule of all time.
Merrimack
Lafayette
Central Connecticut
Nebraska
Temple
Niagara
LIU
Iowa St.
Depaul
New Hampshire
Florida
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St. John's has the weakest non-conference schedule of all time.
Merrimack
Lafayette
Central Connecticut
Nebraska
Temple
Niagara
LIU
Iowa St.
Depaul
New Hampshire
Florida
You might wanna look at the Gophers. Woof
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Thank you Northwestern State. :)
TCU has dropped from preseason #16 in KenPom to #58 in 3 games. I don't know that I've seen a team drop that quickly before
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St. John's has the weakest non-conference schedule of all time.
Merrimack
Lafayette
Central Connecticut
Nebraska
Temple
Niagara
LIU
Iowa St.
Depaul
New Hampshire
Florida
Typo?
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Typo?
I hope not. That's some funny $h!t.
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Kansas forward, Gradey Dick...lol, aina?
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Kansas forward, Gradey Dick...lol, aina?
https://youtu.be/nH_xiZZheg4
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Kansas forward, Gradey Dick...lol, aina?
Would love if Shaka could land that talented of a player.
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Congrats to App St. :)
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Congrats to App St. :)
thats insanse. the ville 3 straight 1 pt losses at home to so called cup cakes
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Duke and Kansas are a combined 4 for 36 from distance. But of course they have bigs that can dominate.
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thats insanse. the ville 3 straight 1 pt losses at home to so called cup cakes
And their season ended last year with a 1-point loss to Virginia in the ACC Tournament. Now 4 straight 1-point losses for the Ville.
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thats insanse. the ville 3 straight 1 pt losses at home to so called cup cakes
On top of losing out on DJ Wagner to Kentucky, after Payne hired Wagner's grandfather to the hoops staff, and #1 recruit Aaron Bradshaw to UK as well.
Maybe Kenny Payne should be the one and done after this season. He's in over his head.
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how could KenPom get it so wrong using data from last seasons team performance to predict this season?
TCU has dropped from preseason #16 in KenPom to #58 in 3 games. I don't know that I've seen a team drop that quickly before
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Uhh... What's wrong with buzz's team?
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Uhh... What's wrong with buzz's team?
Bad loss today. I looked at their non-con schedule after they missed the Dance last year. Pretty terrible again
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Bad loss today. I looked at their non-con schedule after they missed the Dance last year. Pretty terrible again
I’m guessing most of the schedule was done by Selection Sunday last year. Otherwise, you’d think he’d learned his lesson.
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Whoa....Arizona St. up 30 on Michigan. They lost to Texas Southern. Juwan Howard looks extremely unhappy.
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Utah lost to Sam Houston St. Monday and Wednesday are very important games for us.
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Utah lost to Sam Houston St. Monday and Wednesday are very important games for us.
That Pac12-HBCU thing didn’t work out too well for the PAC.
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That Pac12-HBUC thing didn’t work out too well for the PAC.
No, it didn’t, but Sam Houston isn’t a HBCU
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That Pac12-HBCU thing didn’t work out too well for the PAC.
Yea that wasn’t in the Pac12-SWAC challenge.
But the challenge was brutal. Texas Southern over ASU. Prairie View over Washington St. And most shockingly, Grambling over CU in Boulder
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Uhh... What's wrong with buzz's team?
Buzz sucks.
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Whoa....Arizona St. up 30 on Michigan. They lost to Texas Southern. Juwan Howard looks extremely unhappy.
Surprised he didn't get in a fight with Arizona State's coach at the end of the game. Yeah, a surprise but not on the same level as UT blowing out the Zags. In both the UT game and the MSU game, the Zags lacked their usual calm, cool style. They looked rattled. And then there is Buzz. Murray State messed with his happy. Maybe he will write a nine page letter explaining how his team got screwed by the refs.
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The Athletic's "experts" predict Houston will win the national title, with Gonzaga close behind in the voting.
Other contenders: Baylor, UNC, Arkansas, Duke, Kentucky, Texas.
Here's what those picking Houston had to say:
The Cougars won 32 games last year. They made it to the Elite Eight, pushing Villanova to the brink. And they did that with Marcus Sasser playing all of 12 games. Now imagine what Houston can do with Sasser back, plus Jamal Shead, Tramon Marks, Reggie Chaney, plus two stud freshmen in Jarace Walker and Terrance Arceneaux? Oh, and Kelvin Sampson is still the coach. Gonzaga and Houston are the only two teams to rank in Ken Pomeroy’s top 10 in offense in defense the last two years. Don’t be surprised to see that matchup in the final this year. — Dana O’Neil
With a roster roiled by injuries to massively important players, all Houston did last year was finish in the top 10 in both offensive and defensive efficiency, while winning 32 games and reaching the Elite Eight. What happens when Sampson works with a full cupboard? Because Sasser and Mark are back, joined by five-star freshman Walker. I’m taking a risk that the injury issues won’t reoccur … but what fun is making a safe pick anyway? — Brian Hamilton
This will be the toughest team in the country to play against. They’re physical at the point of attack and all of their guys play with an exceptional motor. On top of that, they have the high-upside talent now with potential first-round picks in Sasser, Walker and Arceneaux. — Sam Vecenie
The Cougars are loaded; they have everything you need to win a national championship. They have big-game experience, with three star guards, a future potential lottery pick in Walker and are hard to prepare for in the way they defend/rebound. Bringing back Sasser, Mark, and Shead is huge, as they are arguably the best backcourt in the country. Lastly, they have an advantage that many haven’t considered. They battled a ton of injuries a year ago and bring back the majority of their roster, meaning their reserves have big game experience along with depth. — Tobias Bass
Sampson’s team is tough as nails and has arguably the best guard in the country coming back in Sasser. — Austin Meek
Agree with all of the above, but I am very sorry for the delay in my response. That non cheating team (seriously, Tower, its been 5 years!) of 2022 WS Champs Houston Astros has hogged my attention. Add the Dusty re-signing, James Click departure, and Verlander Cy Young...well their news has lingered.
My "Hou" in HouWarrior is my law school alma mater of UH. I was there during early 80s Phi Slamma Jamma and Guy V Lewis was a lifelong friend and sometime client. Elvin Hayes, Don Chaney, Otis Birdsong, Akeem Olajuwon and Clyde Drexler have thrilled the historical fanbase. But....We suffered for decades in coaching turnover, conference realignments and aging Hofheinz pavilion facilities.
After years/decades in the desert, ....UH Basketball finally got big facilities $ from Tillman Fertitta, took a flyer on a former NCAA coach who happened to be here in town working with the NBA Rockets, in Kelvin Sampson, and over the recent years UH Basketball has returned to national prominence.
Now you are seeing Sampson's system (defense/rebounding/up tempo) take root and the local recruiting tap is back on. Local Houston kids who were poached to programs all over the USA, are back to at least giving UH a recruiting shot. We'll never see a repeat of Guy V's local kids (Drexler, Young, Gettys, Michaeux, etc) plus a flyer on the "Akeem" kid from Africa... but repeat returns to Final Four seems reachable.
UH has 6 final fours but zero championships (Please dont say Valvano--I will cry). There are so many factors and variables, but UH'ers are sentimentally vested to win it all this year, making lucky no 7 FF the one that gets over that hump. Maybe we can ask Dusty Baker to come to the key games for his mojo.
If you get a chance to watch UH on TV you will see some very good play.
Go Coogs!!
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Good for you Houwarrior. You’ve gotten to watch some good basketball lately. Shows the importance of a good coach who stays for a while. Hopefully Shaka gives you two programs to puff your chest out about shortly. MU seems a couple years away but Shaka seems like he can build something.
How is NIL Money for the Houston basketball team. I assume pretty good?
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Marquette should have hired Sampson in ‘14
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Houston doesn't seem to have any real weaknesses and they're a defense first team. It's early but they may go from the favorite to heavy favorite to cut the Nets.
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Houston doesn't seem to have any real weaknesses and they're a defense first team. It's early but they may go from the favorite to heavy favorite to cut the Nets.
Why are they slicing up Brooklyn?
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Houston doesn't seem to have any real weaknesses and they're a defense first team. It's early but they may go from the favorite to heavy favorite to cut the Nets.
Those "Nets" are in also Houston, as the Final Four in early April 2023 is in Houston, at NRG Stadium
For the first time, the Final Four will have 4 "host" schools...Houston Baptist University, Rice University, Texas Southern University and University of Houston will be co-hosts.
I have to research/verify, but I have a suspicion no "host" school has ever won an NCAA Final Four it also "hosted"...bad karma for UH, there.
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Those "Nets" are in also Houston, as the Final Four in early April 2023 is in Houston, at NRG Stadium
For the first time, the Final Four will have 4 "host" schools...Houston Baptist University, Rice University, Texas Southern University and University of Houston will be co-hosts.
I have to research/verify, but I have a suspicion no "host" school has ever won an NCAA Final Four it also "hosted"...bad karma for UH, there.
Butler was the host school the year Gordan Heyward clanged the half court shot that would have beat Duke.
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Those "Nets" are in also Houston, as the Final Four in early April 2023 is in Houston, at NRG Stadium
For the first time, the Final Four will have 4 "host" schools...Houston Baptist University, Rice University, Texas Southern University and University of Houston will be co-hosts.
I have to research/verify, but I have a suspicion no "host" school has ever won an NCAA Final Four it also "hosted"...bad karma for UH, there.
Maybe Kansas in 1988? It was in Kansas City, I'm not sure if they would've been a host and not sure where to find that. UCLA won titles in LA in 1972 and 1968, not sure who the host schools were.
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Tyrese Hunter looked real nice for Texas against Gonzaga. I'd have gone to the deep pocket NIL donors we apparently have to bring the hometown kid back home this offseason. But stars like that don't fit our culture.
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Buzz sucks.
A&M down 54-33 to Colorado at halftime.
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A&M down 54-33 to Colorado at halftime.
We shoulda scheduled Buzz. His team is giving up ridiculous 3pt %s the last couple games. 45% yesterday, 52% so far today.
edit: and 44% to Abilene Christian previously. Somehow only 10% to UL Monroe....
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A&M down 54-33 to Colorado at halftime.
54 at half? Cats that’s bad. Someone better do a piece on Buzz’s kids
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A&M down 54-33 to Colorado at halftime.
A Colorado team that has lost to Grambling and UMass already, no less (although they did beat Tennessee).
Buzz feels like the worst best coach out there. His teams are wildly inconsistent - I have no doubt they'll beat someone like Kentucky this year, but then turn around and lose by 25 to Vandy. They'll finish 10-8 in conference, just getting in as a bubble team. But that's probably good enough for him to stick around for as long as he wants.
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A Colorado team that has lost to Grambling and UMass already, no less (although they did beat Tennessee).
Buzz feels like the worst best coach out there. His teams are wildly inconsistent - I have no doubt they'll beat someone like Kentucky this year, but then turn around and lose by 25 to Vandy. They'll finish 10-8 in conference, just getting in as a bubble team. But that's probably good enough for him to stick around for as long as he wants.
Because A&M is saving its buyout money for Jimbo.
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Butler was the host school the year Gordan Heyward clanged the half court shot that would have beat Duke.
Correct. Butler and the Horizon League were hosts.
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A Colorado team that has lost to Grambling and UMass already, no less (although they did beat Tennessee).
Buzz feels like the worst best coach out there. His teams are wildly inconsistent - I have no doubt they'll beat someone like Kentucky this year, but then turn around and lose by 25 to Vandy. They'll finish 10-8 in conference, just getting in as a bubble team. But that's probably good enough for him to stick around for as long as he wants.
A Colorado team that also beat Tenn. This team makes no sense at all.
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Maybe Kansas in 1988? It was in Kansas City, I'm not sure if they would've been a host and not sure where to find that. UCLA won titles in LA in 1972 and 1968, not sure who the host schools were.
Excellent possibles.
The 2 UCLA FF Champs in 68 and 73 were both played in the old LA Memorial Sports Arena, which was operated by USC.
In 68 ... I can tell you Guy V Lewis felt like the FF game in LA was a UCLA home game. Earlier in January UH (Elvin Hayes) and UCLA (Lew Alcindor) played the "game of the century"...a UH home game before 50,000 in the Astrodome (source of NCAA later holding final Fours in stadium venues), in which UH won and broke a 47-game winning streak of UCLA. Later, When UH met in FF semis in LA, UCLA had a payback blowout of UH 101-69. Ouch
1988 was the first year NCAA tourney teams could not host in any arena in which they played four or more in season home games.
Kemper Arena in KC where FF was held was not Phog Allen fieldhouse, KU's home court, although just 40-50 mi from Lawrence. Like you, though I could not find who was the technical host school for this FF
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Excellent possibles.
1988 was the first year NCAA tourney teams could not host in any arena in which they played four or more in season home games.
Kemper Arena in KC where FF was held was not Phogg fieldhouse, KU's home court, although just 40-50 mi from Lawrence. Like you, though I could not find who was the technical host school for this FF
I don’t think a school or conference was the host, it looks to have been the city and a local organizing committee.
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UWGB lost to Queens College today
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UWGB lost to Queens College today
They are awful. 0-4 with none of their losses within single digits. Somehow they only lost to UW by 11, but lost to Georgetown by 34.
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They are awful. 0-4 with none of their losses within single digits. Somehow they only lost to UW by 11, but lost to Georgetown by 34.
They might be the worst team in college basketball before it’s all said and done. Their games against IUPUI are going to be must watch for sickos like me
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UWGB lost to Queens College today
Queen's U in Belfast?
RIP Seamus Heaney
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UWGB lost to Queens College today
The Queens University of Charlotte, in their first year of the transition to D1. As opposed to Queens College of NYC, the alma mater of Jerry Seinfeld, John Favreau, and Ron Jeremy.
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Wojo sighting!
Doing studio analysis tonight on ESPN2.
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Baylor is getting smoked by UVA. MU needs to drop the hammer and run the table before BEast games.
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Baylor is getting smoked by UVA. MU needs to drop the hammer and run the table before BEast games.
Not happening.
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They are awful. 0-4 with none of their losses within single digits. Somehow they only lost to UW by 11, but lost to Georgetown by 34.
Wisconsin shot 8-34 on 2FGA against Green Bay. They couldn't hit water from a boat.
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Not happening.
Why not? None of these four potential opponents impress me.
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Why not? None of these four potential opponents impress me.
2 neutral court games next week. Home vs Wisco/Baylor and at ND?
Yeah, not running that guantlet.
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2 neutral court games next week. Home vs Wisco/Baylor and at ND?
Yeah, not running that guantlet.
4-1?
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4-1?
Hope I’m wrong but 2-3 seems more likely than 4-1.
I’d be thrilled with 4-1.
I’ll split the difference and guess 3-2.
Two wins in Florida and a win over UW, losses to Baylor and @ND.
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A Colorado team that has lost to Grambling and UMass already, no less (although they did beat Tennessee).
Buzz feels like the worst best coach out there. His teams are wildly inconsistent - I have no doubt they'll beat someone like Kentucky this year, but then turn around and lose by 25 to Vandy. They'll finish 10-8 in conference, just getting in as a bubble team. But that's probably good enough for him to stick around for as long as he wants.
Just don’t mess with his happy.
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Hope I’m wrong but 2-3 seems more likely than 4-1.
I’d be thrilled with 4-1.
I’ll split the difference and guess 3-2.
Two wins in Florida and a win over UW, losses to Baylor and @ND.
ND struggling with mid majors at home so far though. Don’t know what they did tonight. Lucky to beat Radford. We should have a good chance to win that game.
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ND needed a late 3 to beat mighty Lipscomb at home.
Can’t wait for our win over the Flailing Irish.
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ND needed a late 3 to beat mighty Lipscomb at home.
Can’t wait for our win over the Flailing Irish.
Ha! See that’s what I’m talking about. That will be a fun game. Will be at it cheering our team on!
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This Illinois/UCLA game is high quality college hoops.
Illinois looks much more talented than any team I've seen yet this year. Loaded talent up and down their roster.
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This Illinois/UCLA game is high quality college hoops.
Illinois looks much more talented than any team I've seen yet this year. Loaded talent up and down their roster.
Shannon was a decent transfer pick-up for Illinois. We need to elevate our talent level.
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This Illinois/UCLA game is high quality college hoops.
Illinois looks much more talented than any team I've seen yet this year. Loaded talent up and down their roster.
Terrence Shannon Jr. is 8/9 from 3 and his last 5 haven't touched any part of the rim. Actual nothing but net. He's dialed in.
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Shannon was a decent transfer pick-up for Illinois. We need to elevate our talent level.
Our talent level is fine. Our experience is what we are behind in. These teams are all old and experienced.
Competing now with a young roster will only help us as time passes. There are a lot of teams that would love to have access to the skillsets of Oso, Kolek, Jones etc.
We'll get there.
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Our talent level is fine. Our experience is what we are behind in. These teams are all old and experienced.
Competing now with a young roster will only help us as time passes. There are a lot of teams that would love to have access to the skillsets of Oso, Kolek, Jones etc.
We'll get there.
But we need a guy who can shred the defense and surgically destroy teams with an array of shots.
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But we need a guy who can shred the defense and surgically destroy teams with an array of shots.
I'd say the Morsell addition is highly similar to that of Shannon for Illinois.
Shaka just doesn't believe in transfers every season, just when the roster calls for it.
He trusts the guards they have in the room now and are adding 2 high level guards next year.
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Our talent level is fine. Our experience is what we are behind in. These teams are all old and experienced.
Illinois is not an "old" team - very slightly younger than MU in fact. They do have some good talent, have a great transfer, and look to have a promising batch of Freshmen that are getting a good amount of playing time. Sencire looked like a defensive pest.
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Illinois is not an "old" team - very slightly younger than MU in fact. They do have some good talent, have a great transfer, and look to have a promising batch of Freshmen that are getting a good amount of playing time. Sencire looked like a defensive pest.
Their three best players, Shannon, Hawkins and Mayer are all very experienced.
Big difference between us and then in terms of true experience of their main contributors.
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Illinois is not an "old" team - very slightly younger than MU in fact. They do have some good talent, have a great transfer, and look to have a promising batch of Freshmen that are getting a good amount of playing time. Sencire looked like a defensive pest.
Shannon, Mayer, and Dainja all transfers. They’ve had a few transfer out too. Not sure I want MU to rely on transfers that heavily, but wish we had more success in landing impact transfers.
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Their three best players, Shannon, Hawkins and Mayer are all very experienced.
Big difference between us and then in terms of true experience of their main contributors.
Not really comparing MU and Ill - just correcting that they're not an "old" team. As you point out, they have some more experienced leadership on the team, though Kolek, Oso, and Omax are all the same class as Hawkins. Dainja & Melendez are only second year players.
Stats say they're on average younger than MU, unless we don't like stats anymore! hah.
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Not really comparing MU and Ill - just correcting that they're not an "old" team. As you point out, they have some more experienced leadership on the team, though Kolek, Oso, and Omax are all the same class as Hawkins. Dainja & Melendez are only second year players.
Stats say they're on average younger than MU, unless we don't like stats anymore! hah.
We like analytics, not stats.
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We like analytics, not stats.
And only if they're favorable to MU, or create a good excuse!
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Not really comparing MU and Ill - just correcting that they're not an "old" team. As you point out, they have some more experienced leadership on the team, though Kolek, Oso, and Omax are all the same class as Hawkins. Dainja & Melendez are only second year players.
Stats say they're on average younger than MU, unless we don't like stats anymore! hah.
Sure take the average age or returning minutes of their entire team and it says they’re young. Very true - BUT, I can’t call a team young when your core three players have like 12 combined years of high (extremely high, U of I, Baylor and Texas tech) major contribution between them.
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Sure take the average age or returning minutes of their entire team and it says they’re young. Very true - BUT, I can’t call a team young when your core three players have like 12 combined years of high (extremely high, U of I, Baylor and Texas tech) major contribution between them.
Hah, I agree that Ill has 2 players with more experienced leadership than MU (Shannon & Mayer) - though I guess Wrightsil should count for MU (but we'll ignore him). You were also on the bandwagon with me last year being annoyed that Marquette liked to claim they had 10 frosh - so it's all good.
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Lol all good
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But we need a guy who can shred the defense and surgically destroy teams with an array of shots.
We need a Dr.?
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We need a Dr.?
preferably a doctor of dental surgery, maybe even a doctor of dental medicine or both
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preferably a doctor of dental surgery, maybe even a doctor of dental medicine or both
Hopefully getting a bucket when it really matters won’t be like pulling teeth
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We need a Dr.?
Dr. J.
Doc Rivers.
Dr. Dunkenstein (of the Doctors of Dunk).
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We need a Dr.?
I like guys that have the tools to dismantle their defenders in various ways.
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I like guys that have the tools to dismantle their defenders in various ways.
Licensed mechanic? Auto Zone or Pep Boys?
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#5 Baylor leads #8 UCLA 66-60 with 5 and change to play.
Loser goes 0-2 in the Continental Tire Main Event. It would be beneficial for the Golden Eagles to have Baylor hang on.
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Houston is on ESPN right now. They seem to have athletes all over the place.
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Houston is on ESPN right now. They seem to have athletes all over the place.
About a month ago I placed a responsible wager on them to win the National Title this season.
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Oregon's court is disgusting. Can't even watch the game.
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About a month ago I placed a responsible wager on them to win the National Title this season.
They don't have much size. I still like your bet but there are a bunch of good bigs across the country.
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They don't have much size. I still like your bet but there are a bunch of good bigs across the country.
They handled Illinois last year with Kofi, I just like Sampson and think they have the pieces.
A lot has to go right for anyone to win a title though.
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They handled Illinois last year with Kofi, I just like Sampson and think they have the pieces.
A lot has to go right for anyone to win a title though.
A couple of bogus calls against Houston. Dante on Oregon has been superb protecting the paint.
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Houston is just relentless defensively. They do a great job attacking on the defensive end and doubling the post.
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Houston is just relentless defensively. The great job attacking on the defensive end and doubling the post.
That's the level I dream of Marquette getting to. So relentless that other teams don't have fun playing the game they love.
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That's the level I dream of Marquette getting to. So relentless that other teams don't have fun playing the game they love.
Oregon had zero fouls in the 2nd half until 1:19 left in the game. Sasser is really good. They're a handful for sure and defense travels. Marquette is still lacking the combination pf physicality and quickness on the perimeter.
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Oregon had zero fouls in the 2nd half until 1:19 left in the game. Sasser is really good. They're a handful for sure and defense travels. Marquette is still lacking the combination pf physicality and quickness on the perimeter.
I think Stevie does an excellent job in both of those departments on the perimeter. They need the others to get on that level.
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I think Stevie does an excellent job in both of those departments on the perimeter. They need the others to get on that level.
Stevie gets it but it has to be a collective mindset and relentless work. Houston rarely gives up downhill drives to the rim because they thwart all dribble penetration. They don't play a reactionary defense, they attack and truly cause their opponents headaches. It's hard to play "Havoc" when you don't have the overall personnel. And it takes a combination of lateral and overall quickness combined with physicality on the perimeter. Stevie and O-Max have been able to do this at times but we've been susceptible to guys shredding our pressure and help being late or non-existent. We also haven't played a team with great quickness yet. Houston snuffs teams out with relentless, attacking, pressure. We're just nowhere near that level to date.
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So relax and enjoy the ride.
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So relax and enjoy the ride.
😂
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So relax and enjoy the ride.
Who says I'm not relaxed?
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Who says I'm not relaxed?
Anyone that reads your posts?
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It is true that there is a notable talent gap between MU and elite teams (i.e. Gonzaga, Houston, Kentucky, Baylor, NC, Duke, etc.) Shaka is building patiently, and I am perfectly ok with that as long as the team shows improvement from year to year. This year's team looks like a better version of last year with the improvement of Stevie and Oso but also has some obvious flaws. But, you have to agree they are exciting to watch. Eventually, Shaka will be able to attract even better talent.
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It is true that there is a notable talent gap between MU and elite teams (i.e. Gonzaga, Houston, Kentucky, Baylor, NC, Duke, etc.) Shaka is building patiently, and I am perfectly ok with that as long as the team shows improvement from year to year. This year's team looks like a better version of last year with the improvement of Stevie and Oso but also has some obvious flaws. But, you have to agree they are exciting to watch. Eventually, Shaka will be able to attract even better talent.
We also need to remember that this is a team of sophomores and juniors. They are improving, but they still have not reached their ceiling.
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Anyone that reads your posts?
Makes me nervous
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Makes me nervous
I'm fine.
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This just in: We’re not as good as Houston.
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When it comes to Houston, we have a problem.
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This just in: We’re not as good as Houston.
We're not but they're an example that prime-time resurgences are possible. That program was nowhere on anyone's radar for a very, very, long time. I think we're in a good place with Shaka but it never hurts to reiterate the tools necessary to elevate our program to an elite level once again.
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We're not but they're an example that prime-time resurgences are possible. That program was nowhere on anyone's radar for a very, very, long time. I think we're in a good place with Shaka but it never hurts to reiterate the tools necessary to elevate our program to an elite level once again.
Honestly a good point - Sampson stressed defensive mindset and players bought in. Now they’re a national power.
More goes into the growth of a program than that, but buy in on the front end is very important.
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Kelvin Sampson cheats. Cheating pays. And there is a LOT of money in Houston.
If we want to win at Houston's level, we need Shaka to "bend" some rules and for the people who ponied up for Wojo's buyout to pony up for some talented hoopers.
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Kelvin Sampson cheats. Cheating pays. And there is a LOT of money in Houston.
If we want to win at Houston's level, we need Shaka to "bend" some rules and for the people who ponied up for Wojo's buyout to pony up for some talented hoopers.
His recruiting violation was sending too many text messages. Hardly on the Louisville/Arizona etc. level
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His recruiting violation was sending too many text messages. Hardly on the Louisville/Arizona etc. level
Something that is completely legal now. And it was 15 years ago.
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We're not but they're an example that prime-time resurgences are possible. That program was nowhere on anyone's radar for a very, very, long time. I think we're in a good place with Shaka but it never hurts to reiterate the tools necessary to elevate our program to an elite level once again.
Reasonable. I have said many times that we can be a very high-level program again (and I'm not the only Scooper who has said it). Just need the right coach. Hopefully, it's Shaka.
As for Sampson, his egregious NCAA violation almost seems quaint.
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Kelvin Sampson cheats. Cheating pays. And there is a LOT of money in Houston.
If we want to win at Houston's level, we need Shaka to "bend" some rules and for the people who ponied up for Wojo's buyout to pony up for some talented hoopers.
Cheating part of Jesuit path
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Right. Legal now. Wasn't legal when he was doing it. Then lied to the NCAA about it.
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Right. Legal now. Wasn't legal when he was doing it. Then lied to the NCAA about it.
Marquette should have hired him in ‘14 but Chico’s self-righteousness infected the athletic department
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Right. Legal now. Wasn't legal when he was doing it. Then lied to the NCAA about it.
Do you have your fainting couch handy?
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Right. Legal now. Wasn't legal when he was doing it. Then lied to the NCAA about it.
An antiquated rule at the time. On the sliding scale of cheating, this is handing out a t shirt.
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I remember way back when, handing out bags of money used to be cheating. Kids these days don't know how rough we had it.
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Sampson definitely paid a price for his cheating scandals. What is undisputed is the guy can flat out coach. The overall talent on his recent teams have not been off the charts truthfully. Clearly he knows what the H he is doing, and in particular establishing a defensive identity.
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Marquette should have hired him in ‘14 but Chico’s self-righteousness infected the athletic department
Stop it. Everybody knows we should have hired Chris Beard in 2014 -- he was coming off a 19-9 season for Angelo State!
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UH is public school with required reporting, incl under Texas law. This is the latest NIL reporting I could find. UH competes but nothing seems too large or out of line
It appears UH is competitive but certainly not an OSU or Alabama, where football is king and the larger amounts dwarf UH.
I like Star pizza, although its always as much a yuppie place to be seen as anything. Some interesting other sources noted here too.
I cant see any cheating red flags though.
https://www.houstonchronicle.com/texas-sports-nation/college/article/University-of-Houston-athletes-NIL-deals-17398263.php
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Right. Legal now. Wasn't legal when he was doing it. Then lied to the NCAA about it.
Does anyone really care about cheating in college sports anymore when it comes to anything but academic fraud?
Oh wait, I know why you care so much. Because the one thing Wojo actually did at Marquette was run a “clean” program. Well, Wojo did a terrible job here, and he’s gone, and he’ll never be back. If he returned for some type of anniversary like the 100 year celebration that happened a little while ago, he’d be booed harder than Buzz and Crean combined, because that’s what happens to you in sports when you’re a loser. It’s the biggest sin you can commit, far bigger than a minor recruiting violation. You believe that happy crappy?
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Does anyone really care about cheating in college sports anymore when it comes to anything but academic fraud?
Oh wait, I know why you care so much. Because the one thing Wojo actually did at Marquette was run a “clean” program. Well, Wojo did a terrible job here, and he’s gone, and he’ll never be back. If he returned for some type of anniversary like the 100 year celebration that happened a little while ago, he’d be booed harder than Buzz and Crean combined, because that’s what happens to you in sports when you’re a loser. It’s the biggest sin you can commit, far bigger than a minor recruiting violation. You believe that happy crappy?
Such a minor recruiting violation that Indiana fired him in the middle of his second season when he was 22-4.
Not sure what the rest is about, but okay.
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Such a minor recruiting violation that Indiana fired him in the middle of his second season when he was 22-4.
Not sure what the rest is about, but okay.
Again it was illegal at the time. It isn’t now. I don’t care what he is doing to land recruits in Houston. He could be texting them hundreds of times a day or dropping NIL bags on their porch. It’s all basically legal now.
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Again it was illegal at the time. It isn’t now. I don’t care what he is doing to land recruits in Houston. He could be texting them hundreds of times a day or dropping NIL bags on their porch. It’s all basically legal now.
Right! It was illegal when he was doing it! He was cheating!
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Right! It was illegal when he was doing it! He was cheating!
Grab your fainting couch. I don’t care.
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Grab your fainting couch. I don’t care.
Clearly!
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The ncaa went on to change their rules very shortly after.
You have to be a colossal clown to equate the cheating Sampson did to the much more egregious acts his colleagues did/do every day.
The rules on cell phone communication at the time were very vague. It’s very likely he didn’t know he was cheating and when asked about it, he didn’t lie but didn’t know the rules.
Not great, but very much deserving of a second chance and I’m happy he’s taking advantage of it. I would love to have a man of his character coaching Marquette. He recruits high character kids and avoids off court disciplinary issues before and after the evil phone calls he made.
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The ncaa went on to change their rules very shortly after.
You have to be a colossal clown to equate the cheating Sampson did to the much more egregious acts his colleagues did/do every day.
The rules on cell phone communication at the time were very vague. It’s very likely he didn’t know he was cheating and when asked about it, he didn’t lie but didn’t know the rules.
Not great, but very much deserving of a second chance and I’m happy he’s taking advantage of it. I would love to have a man of his character coaching Marquette. He recruits high character kids and avoids off court disciplinary issues before and after the evil phone calls he made.
Hah! I’ve got a bridge up for sale. You in? Lot of interest so put your bid in soon!
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The ncaa went on to change their rules very shortly after.
You have to be a colossal clown to equate the cheating Sampson did to the much more egregious acts his colleagues did/do every day.
The rules on cell phone communication at the time were very vague. It’s very likely he didn’t know he was cheating and when asked about it, he didn’t lie but didn’t know the rules.
Not great, but very much deserving of a second chance and I’m happy he’s taking advantage of it. I would love to have a man of his character coaching Marquette. He recruits high character kids and avoids off court disciplinary issues before and after the evil phone calls he made.
Was that concerning his violations at Oklahoma, or his violations at Indiana? I'm pretty sure he was put on a ban of no phone calls to recruits when he was at IU, so he had an assistant call the recruits from Sampson's home, with Sampson in the room. But hey, he didn't dial the number. Semantics, right?
He may have not known he was violating when at Oklahoma, but he damn sure did at IU.
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Hah! I’ve got a bridge up for sale. You in? Lot of interest so put your bid in soon!
Based on your recent posts on the World Cup and this, it seems you’re incapable of engaging in an actual conversation at the topic at hand.
Not much of a surprise given the positions you took in both topics.
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Based on your recent posts on the World Cup and this, it seems you’re incapable of engaging in an actual conversation at the topic at hand.
Not much of a surprise given the positions you took in both topics.
When you say a guy who broke the same rule at not one but two jobs just didn’t know the rules because they were vague and he didn’t really lie to the NCAA, it’s hard to have a serious conversation with you.
Was that concerning his violations at Oklahoma, or his violations at Indiana? I'm pretty sure he was put on a ban of no phone calls to recruits when he was at IU, so he had an assistant call the recruits from Sampson's home, with Sampson in the room. But hey, he didn't dial the number. Semantics, right?
He may have not known he was violating when at Oklahoma, but he damn sure did at IU.
Sounds like someone who was just confused about vague rules.
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When you say a guy who broke the same rule at not one but two jobs just didn’t know the rules because they were vague and he didn’t really lie to the NCAA, it’s hard to have a serious conversation with you.
Sounds like someone who was just confused about vague rules.
Rules so benign that there is an ncaa official on record saying this in regards to Sampson and his calls - “We don’t even care about that anymore,” they said. “We aren't even wasting our time and resources with it.” So much so that the rules, in fact, are likely to change this year. There will almost certainly be more communication permitted between coaches and recruits, potentially even unlimited calls, and the NCAA is also set to allow text messaging in the recruiting process.
So yea he broke the rules and deserves to be punished. But he absolutely deserved a second chance and shouldn’t be labeled amongst some of his other less respectable colleagues.
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They are getting worked by a really good Zona team, but Wes Miller’s Cindy team is so much more fun to watch than the Mick Cronin rock fight teams
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Rules so benign that there is an ncaa official on record saying this in regards to Sampson and his calls - “We don’t even care about that anymore,” they said. “We aren't even wasting our time and resources with it.” So much so that the rules, in fact, are likely to change this year. There will almost certainly be more communication permitted between coaches and recruits, potentially even unlimited calls, and the NCAA is also set to allow text messaging in the recruiting process.
So yea he broke the rules and deserves to be punished. But he absolutely deserved a second third chance and shouldn’t be labeled amongst some of his other less respectable colleagues.
I don't think its about the initial violation. It was when he was put on a ban of phone calls to recruits, and he had coaches make the calls from his house, as well as being on conference calls with recruits. That shows his character.
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Emoni Bates' EMU team is terrible and they do a ton of "get it to Emoni and watch", but you can clearly see the talent and that he will still be a first round pick. He's electric in bursts and has such a quick release from deep.
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Emoni Bates' EMU team is terrible and they do a ton of "get it to Emoni and watch", but you can clearly see the talent and that he will still be a first round pick. He's electric in bursts and has such a quick release from deep.
Not the type of player we want here, though.
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Dead horse. Ypsilanti is home.
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Chaminade would be more competitive in Maui than Louisville is.
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I don't think its about the initial violation. It was when he was put on a ban of phone calls to recruits, and he had coaches make the calls from his house, as well as being on conference calls with recruits. That shows his character.
Exactly. He not only violated the rules knowingly but egregiously. Over 600 impermissible calls.
Then, at Indiana, Sampson violated his call restrictions by having his assistants patch him in on three-way calls or having him in the room and putting the calls on the speaker. He also told recruits what he was doing and told them not to disclose this to anyone.
Committing a violation is one thing, even to the level he did. But, the lack of ethics and morals to brazenly circumvent his punishment and ask high school kids to cover for him takes his scumbaggary to another level.
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Exactly. He not only violated the rules knowingly but egregiously. Over 600 impermissible calls.
Then, at Indiana, Sampson violated his call restrictions by having his assistants patch him in on three-way calls or having him in the room and putting the calls on the speaker. He also told recruits what he was doing and told them not to disclose this to anyone.
Committing a violation is one thing, even to the level he did. But, the lack of ethics and morals to brazenly circumvent his punishment and ask high school kids to cover for him takes his scumbaggary to another level.
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Louisville has 15 pts. With 13 minutes left in the game.
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what did I say that was incorrect?
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Marquette should have hired Kelvin Sampson in ‘14
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Marquette should have hired Kelvin Sampson in ‘14
We couldn’t afford the phone bills
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what did I say that was incorrect?
Being outraged over something so minor is dumb.
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louisville has its worst team in fan memory according to their board. just bad beyond what ever could have been possibly imangined.
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louisville has its worst team in fan memory according to their board. just bad beyond what ever could have been possibly imangined.
9 page thread on the UofL board about firing the coach.
Fans can be crazy but I think the Card fans may be right.
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9 page thread on the UofL board about firing the coach.
Fans can be crazy but I think the Card fans may be right.
Five games to judge.
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Five games to judge.
They may legitimately start 0-10.
Their schedule gets no easier.
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Two good games on ESPN. Hopefully Creighton wins the Maui tournament.
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Creighton may have the best starting 5 in the country.
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Creighton may have the best starting 5 in the country.
No.
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Creighton has been very impressive thus far.
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No.
The only one that might be close is UNC, IMO. I would argue Creighton's starting 5 is more complete. Creighton's bench doesn't have much.
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Scratch that: they were impressive until the last 1:30 of the half. Lost focus.
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Arkansas has a nice composition of players. Two top 25 recruits in Black and Walsh, two top 50 recruits in the Mitchell twins transfers, two top 100 guys and two transfers from quality Div I teams. And, Nick Smith the number 2 recruit in country. That’s how you do it.
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Arkansas has a nice composition of players. Two top 25 recruits in Black and Walsh, two top 50 recruits in the Mitchell twins transfers, two top 100 guys and two transfers from quality Div I teams. That’s how you do it.
Two good and dangerous teams. One of the Ark kids got his head near the rim on a thunderous alley o.
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Two good and dangerous teams. One of the Ark kids got his head near the rim on a thunderous alley o.
Creighton has no contribution from their bench. That will bite them eventually as the season wears if that doesn't change.
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Creighton has no contribution from their bench. That will bite them eventually as the season wears if that doesn't change.
Arkansas is way more physical and are pounding them a bit. Teams with more physicality are able to establish this early in the year abd get away with more contact.
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The only one that might be close is UNC, IMO. I would argue Creighton's starting 5 is more complete. Creighton's bench doesn't have much.
I’d take more than a handful of teams’ starting lineups over Creighton’s. Including Arkansas when Nick Smith comes back. For sure UNC, Houston, and Texas. Illinois, Virginia, and Gonzaga at least on par.
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Creighton has spurtability. I've discussed the importance of this trait ad nauseum for about a decade. We had it for 1/2 of last season.
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I do not know nationally how they will do, but right now by far the best team in the Big East
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Very entertaining game.
Bonus: Muss has been going nuts.
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I’d take more than a handful of teams’ starting lineups over Creighton’s. Including Arkansas when Nick Smith comes back. For sure UNC, Houston, and Texas. Illinois, Virginia, and Gonzaga at least on par.
For me it goes Houston, UNC, Marquette, Arkansas, Creighton.
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Either of the teams will pound the Shaka’s…. Can Marquette stay within 20 of Creighton?
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I’d take more than a handful of teams’ starting lineups over Creighton’s. Including Arkansas when Nick Smith comes back. For sure UNC, Houston, and Texas. Illinois, Virginia, and Gonzaga at least on par.
Texas beat Arkansas by 30 in their charity game.
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I’d take more than a handful of teams’ starting lineups over Creighton’s. Including Arkansas when Nick Smith comes back. For sure UNC, Houston, and Texas. Illinois, Virginia, and Gonzaga at least on par.
It's debatable, but I think Houston and Texas dont have enough scoring from their starting 5 compared to Creighton. Granted, their defense is better.
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Don’t sleep on Arizona
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Don’t forget. MU will be in the Maui Classic next year with Gonzaga, Kansas, UCLA, Purdue, Syracuse and Tennessee.
Maybe Shaka will get some high level recruits in before. Oh wait, MU roster full….
Wonder if he used the Maui trip as a recruiting tool. That is a brutal field of teams.
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Sooo much COLE and MOPE, life is good.
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Don’t forget. MU will be in the Maui Classic next year with Gonzaga, Kansas, UCLA, Purdue, Syracuse and Tennessee.
Maybe Shaka will get some high level recruits in before. Oh wait, MU roster full….
Wonder if he used the Maui trip as a recruiting tool. That is a brutal field of teams.
That's a formidable field......damn.
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That's a formidable field......damn.
MU and Purdue will be the 2 worst teams, maybe Shaka can persuade a big to come to MU and cut someone.
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MU and Purdue will be the 2 worst teams, maybe Shaka can persuade a big to come to MU and cut someone.
We know who will be on Marquette next year. That's one positive we have that most of those teams maybe don't.
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It’s early in the year, but I don’t know how there are 13 teams better than Zona.
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It’s early in the year, but I don’t know how there are 13 teams better than Zona.
And people thought I was crazy for wanting Tommy Lloyd.
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Being outraged over something so minor is dumb.
No, it was the coverup and asking kids to lie. Glad to know you think that’s all good.
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No, it was the coverup and asking kids to lie. Glad to know you think that’s all good.
Small lies to cover up minor actions that are no longer against the rules. Who cares?
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Small lies to cover up minor actions that are no longer against the rules. Who cares?
There are two sides on this. I personally know one of the recruits he called, whose name showed up on the NCAA report. There were a few days where he and his family thought his eligibility was in question at a different university. Putting 18 year olds through that stress while violating rules is something that should be taken seriously.
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There are two sides on this. I personally know one of the recruits he called, whose name showed up on the NCAA report. There were a few days where he and his family thought his eligibility was in question at a different university. Putting 18 year olds through that stress while violating rules is something that should be taken seriously.
The rules were dumb. 15 years later I’m not taking it seriously.
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The rules were dumb. 15 years later I’m not taking it seriously.
Its not about the specific rule that he broke, it's the fact that he was on a ban from the NCAA, which he knew of, and he continued to engage in that behavior.
To me it would be similar to:
Sultan gets pulled over driving without insurance. License suspended for 6 months. During that 6 months, you continue to drive every day, and are pulled over again. License suspended for 5 years. It's not about the driving without insurance, its about knowing you are not to be driving, and continue to do it. Shows one's character.
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Its not about the specific rule that he broke, it's the fact that he was on a ban from the NCAA, which he knew of, and he continued to engage in that behavior.
To me it would be similar to:
Sultan gets pulled over driving without insurance. License suspended for 6 months. During that 6 months, you continue to drive every day, and are pulled over again. License suspended for 5 years. It's not about the driving without insurance, its about knowing you are not to be driving, and continue to do it. Shows one's character.
That's actually a great analogy. Driving without insurance should not result in a six month license suspension. A dumb rule that I wouldn't care if someone broke. It has no bearing on anyone's character.
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Its not about the specific rule that he broke, it's the fact that he was on a ban from the NCAA, which he knew of, and he continued to engage in that behavior.
To me it would be similar to:
Sultan gets pulled over driving without insurance. License suspended for 6 months. During that 6 months, you continue to drive every day, and are pulled over again. License suspended for 5 years. It's not about the driving without insurance, its about knowing you are not to be driving, and continue to do it. Shows one's character.
Sure, but would you really not hire the best candidate in your hiring pool if you found out that they did the above 15 years ago and have had a clean record since?
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That's actually a great analogy. Driving without insurance should not result in a six month license suspension. A dumb rule that I wouldn't care if someone broke. It has no bearing on anyone's character.
I guess we will agree to disagree. I believe it sure does have a bearing on someone's character if they were convicted, and have certain parameters in their sentence, and they knowingly break them to cheat.
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Sure, but would you really not hire the best candidate in your hiring pool if you found out that they did the above 15 years ago and have had a clean record since?
I wouldn't, because it goes directly to their character at fitness to practice law. As far as coaching. I never said he wasn't a good coach. He is a known cheater and liar, but there seems to be quite a few of them in the coaching industry.
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I wouldn't, because it goes directly to their character at fitness to practice law. As far as coaching. I never said he wasn't a good coach. He is a known cheater and liar, but there seems to be quite a few of them in the coaching industry.
Same with lawyers
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That's actually a great analogy. Driving without insurance should not result in a six month license suspension. A dumb rule that I wouldn't care if someone broke. It has no bearing on anyone's character.
I bet you'd care when you got a $20,000 bill to fix your car from an accident someone else caused who didn't have insurance or any assets.
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Same with lawyers
Agreed
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I bet you'd care when you got a $20,000 bill to fix your car from an accident someone else caused who didn't have insurance or any assets.
I have insurance to cover such a situation. And no…I wouldn’t care.
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I have insurance to cover such a situation. And no…I wouldn’t care.
I call BS. You probably still have a deductible to cover, as well as possible medical bills/pain and suffering, as well as your insurance rates may go up.
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I call BS. You probably still have a deductible to cover, as well as possible medical bills/pain and suffering, as well as your insurance rates may go up.
Oh my.
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Ha! You guys both make good points and are both correct in your own ways. It’s ok to see the other persons point of view. Jeez.
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Ha! You guys both make good points and are both correct in your own ways. It’s ok to see the other persons point of view. Jeez.
No! This is Scoop! Mustn't ever admit the other person might have a point!!!!
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No! This is Scoop! Mustn't ever admit the other person might have a point!!!!
Ha! I guess if Sultan's point is that it is OK to break a law if you dont agree with it, I won't admit it. If the point is he paid his due, and Sampson is a heck of a coach, I would agree.
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Ha! I guess if Sultan's point is that it is OK to break a law if you dont agree with it, I won't admit it. If the point is he paid his due, and Sampson is a heck of a coach, I would agree.
Better not jaywalk or drive 41 in a 40 mph zone. Shows complete lack of character.
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Better not jaywalk or drive 41 in a 40 mph zone. Shows complete lack of character.
You clearly arent getting my point. it is not about the initial violation, its about being put on a ban, and doing what he did.
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You clearly arent getting my point. it is not about the initial violation, its about being put on a ban, and doing what he did.
Better not speed after getting your first ticket. Shows complete lack of character.
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Better not speed after getting your first ticket. Shows complete lack of character.
yeah, you're not very good at this. He wasnt given a warning. He was banned from activites while his former school was punished.
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yeah, you're not very good at this. He wasnt given a warning. He was banned from activites while his former school was punished.
You think I'm being serious? I think your analogy was silly, so I am responding with silliness.
Truth be told, I don't really care about your opinion on the matter.
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You think I'm being serious? I think your analogy was silly, so I am responding with silliness.
Truth be told, I don't really care about your opinion on the matter.
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Marquette off the hook for worst half of the week.
Dayton just scored 14 in the 1st half at the Battle for Atlantis on 6-30 shooting.
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Fun 1st half from Ohio State and Texas Tech.
Neither look to be a threat for any title, but two pretty solid teams.
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I can’t believe I’m pulling this hard for the Dayton Flyers.
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Wisconsin-Marquette may end the sport
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My Lord! That was awful basketball.
And just to rub it in the fans’ faces, there were 5 timeouts in the last 59 seconds.
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And Dayton finds yet another way to disappoint the scoop faithful.
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Badgers stay undefeated with a 43-42 win.
They are good at what they do. Yuck. They face Kansas tomorrow. Dayton gets NC State. Jarkel Joiner, who MU played last year with Ole Miss, is on that NC State team. Gave Kansas a decent run this afternoon.
Elsewhere, Ohio State is going to beat Texas Tech in Maui. A 2 loss tournament for the ranked Raiders.
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That A-10 is underperforming this year
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FiR2j-MX0AE4mw-?format=jpg&name=medium)
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FiR2j-MX0AE4mw-?format=jpg&name=medium)
That is a helluva statline for a player of the game. Hot damn
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FiR2j-MX0AE4mw-?format=jpg&name=medium)
That's the kid they said is the next Tyler Herro. Box score is showing he was actually 3-6 not 3-16.
43-42 final is laughable
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I have insurance to cover such a situation. And no…I wouldn’t care.
You have to pay a premium for underinsured and uninsured motorist coverage, so it is costing you and everyone else who buys insurance to have coverage for those who do not. Similar to you having to pay more at a store, because stores lose money to shoplifters.
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FiR2j-MX0AE4mw-?format=jpg&name=medium)
Hahah amazing
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That's the kid they said is the next Tyler Herro. Box score is showing he was actually 3-6 not 3-16.
43-42 final is laughable
Wow. Good D or atrocious O?
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Wow. Good D or atrocious O?
Badgers made 1 of 17 to finish, you decide lol
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Badgers made 1 of 17 to finish, you decide lol
Jeesh. And Dayton couldn't get the W? Smh.
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You have to pay a premium for underinsured and uninsured motorist coverage, so it is costing you and everyone else who buys insurance to have coverage for those who do not. Similar to you having to pay more at a store, because stores lose money to shoplifters.
I think Sultan is telling us he is a 1% guy. Insurance premiums are merely rounding errors in his world.
Good to see MU guys doing so well.
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Hopefully the Jays take out Zona. Ballo though just pummeled Kalky in the paint. That kid is a load.
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Kalky better get his head in.this game if Creighton is going to win. Ballo is absolutely throttling him with no nonsense power.
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That's the kid they said is the next Tyler Herro. Box score is showing he was actually 3-6 not 3-16.
43-42 final is laughable
Who called him the next Herro? Comparing a recruit outside the top 200 with 1 other meh P5 offer, who was barely top 10 in his own state, to a top 40 player who had offers from UK and KU is just classic Wisconsin “we didn’t need him we got someone better anyways” nonsense
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Who called him the next Herro? Comparing a recruit outside the top 200 with 1 other meh P5 offer, who was barely top 10 in his own state, to a top 40 player who had offers from UK and KU is just classic Wisconsin “we didn’t need him we got someone better anyways” nonsense
To be fair, they’re both white
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Who called him the next Herro? Comparing a recruit outside the top 200 with 1 other meh P5 offer, who was barely top 10 in his own state, to a top 40 player who had offers from UK and KU is just classic Wisconsin “we didn’t need him we got someone better anyways” nonsense
The announcer alongside Sciambi.
Not sure who it is, but he said it and didn't retract at all. He was completely serious and even doubled down on it.
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Badgers made 1 of 17 to finish, you decide lol
Guaranteed they’ll go something like 13-17 against MU
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You have to pay a premium for underinsured and uninsured motorist coverage, so it is costing you and everyone else who buys insurance to have coverage for those who do not. Similar to you having to pay more at a store, because stores lose money to shoplifters.
I'll manage. Thanks.
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The announcer alongside Sciambi.
Not sure who it is, but he said it and didn't retract at all. He was completely serious and even doubled down on it.
Good god.
Just for fun, Herro scored 14 against Duke in his first college game. Essegian had scored 16 points, total, in 3 games against the likes of South Dakota and GB
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Kansas has started 1-11 vs the weasel-rodents.
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Wow. Wisky is prime position to beat Kansas. I'm beyond shocked.
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Essigian has a beautiful shot, Badgers play tough, will be a tough opponent.
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Wow. Wisky is prime position to beat Kansas. I'm beyond shocked.
Why shocked?
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The announcer alongside Sciambi.
Not sure who it is, but he said it and didn't retract at all. He was completely serious and even doubled down on it.
I wouldn’t say Tyler Herro, but Essegian is a very good player. I believe he will be huge for Wisconsin. Unfortunately 😂
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Essigian has a beautiful shot, Badgers play tough, will be a tough opponent.
Agreed.
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Why shocked?
Kansas is way better. They're just playing like garbage.
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Not really!
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Jordan Davis 4 MVP
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Gard has completely outcoached Self in this one.
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Thankfully Hepburn took that shot.
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Does anyone think Marquette would be competitive vs Kansas?
Can't imagine UW will win now in OT.
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Gard does not make the plays, but tough players, and he had 2 of them!
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Does anyone think Marquette would be competitive vs Kansas?
Can't imagine UW will win now in OT.
If Wojo was still coaching, absolutely not. Shaka would give us a chance.
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Kansas is way better. They're just playing like garbage.
I don't think Kansas is way better. They play like 7 guys and only have 3 scoring options.
UW is like 9 or 10 deep with shooters everywhere.
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Count that!
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L as expected. Never a doubt.
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Did Wahl get an assist on the game winner? 🧐
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Another entertaining game, and the right team won.
The Kansas kid who made the winning play went flying in from about 25 feet ... and right past Essegian, who was ball-watching instead of boxing out.
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No coach gets more out of limited talent than Gard.
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I do not feel good about the game next weekend. This team struggles in low possession games and early jacks are especially harmful against UW.
Hopefully the boys make a jackass outta me in front of the home crowd, but I'm not optimistic.
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I don't think Kansas is way better. They play like 7 guys and only have 3 scoring options.
UW is like 9 or 10 deep with shooters everywhere.
UW is not 9 or 10 deep. They have 5 good players and everyone else is trash, especially Jordan Davis.
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Kansas is way better. They're just playing like garbage.
Kansas hasn’t really played well this year with the exception of duke. And duke has 18 year olds in their first few games right now.
They probably are closer to the 20th best team than they are the 1st.
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Kansas hasn’t really played well this year with the exception of duke. And duke has 18 year olds in their first few games right now.
They probably are closer to the 20th best team than they are the 1st.
I’ve watched the last 2.5 Kansas games and it’s a down year for them (still means top 20 for them). They don’t have their typical big guy this year.
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UW is not 9 or 10 deep. They have 5 good players and everyone else is trash, especially Jordan Davis.
Badgers are 334th in effective fg% nationally. Klesmit is the only regular with an offensive rating over 100. Wahl is 5th in the nation in usage rate. That offense is terrible. The defense will keep them in games and steal some when shots are falling but unless the offense gets better, this is mid-level team at best
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Badgers are 334th in effective fg% nationally. Klesmit is the only regular with an offensive rating over 100. Wahl is 5th in the nation in usage rate. That offense is terrible. The defense will keep them in games and steal some when shots are falling but unless the offense gets better, this is mid-level team at best
Wisconsins current defensive form isn’t sustainable either. Their 3pt defensive percentage is 17.8%.
That’s going up by at least 8%+.
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Wisconsins current defensive form isn’t sustainable either. Their 3pt defensive percentage is 17.8%.
That’s going up by at least 8%+.
The Green Bay was more indicative to me than today.
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I do not feel good about the game next weekend. This team struggles in low possession games and early jacks are especially harmful against UW.
Hopefully the boys make a jackass outta me in front of the home crowd, but I'm not optimistic.
Same. Shouldn't be a blowout, but UW is probably a win.
Too bad Baylor and UW are in the same week.
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Ideal outcome in the Badgers game. Their computer numbers will go up which helps Marquette, but they still lost.
I'm really enjoying Portland giving the Tar Heels a challenge. 3 point Pilot lead with 16 and change left to play.
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Portland not just hanging with Carolina, but looking impressive.
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Portland not just hanging with Carolina, but looking impressive.
Great effort by Portland.
In other ACC related news; Louisville 0-6 but almost as surprising FSU 1-5. Also, Jim Boeheim needs to retire. I don't care about SU but his need to hang on is going to damage that brand.
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Oregon State and Dexter Akanno leading #8 Duke by 3 with 13 minutes left in the 2nd half.
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Oregon State and Dexter Akanno leading #8 Duke by 3 with 13 minutes left in the 2nd half.
Nice.
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Oregon State and Dexter Akanno leading #8 Duke by 3 with 13 minutes left in the 2nd half.
Now up 6 as Dexter promptly drills a 3 as I clicked send on the previous post.
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No offense to Wojo but here would be my list of 10 things he brings to ESPN as a college hoops analyst:
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No offense to Wojo but here would be my list of 10 things he brings to ESPN as a college hoops analyst:
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11. Melba toast sponsorship
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11. Melba toast sponsorship
LOL
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No offense to Wojo but here would be my list of 10 things he brings to ESPN as a college hoops analyst:
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Meh. I am happy to see Wojo involved in the game again. I like Wojo the person.
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Meh. I am happy to see Wojo involved in the game again. I like Wojo the person.
I have no problem with him personally at all he's just not suited to being a TV personality.
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Villanova does not look good at all.
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Villanova does not look good at all.
They’ll be fine once they get healthy.
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Dexter went to the line down 49-50.
He missed the front end of the bonus. Duke now leads 52-49 with 30 seconds left. Dang.
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I do not feel good about the game next weekend. This team struggles in low possession games and early jacks are especially harmful against UW.
Hopefully the boys make a jackass outta me in front of the home crowd, but I'm not optimistic.
I feel good about our chances against Madison. I think we win by 10ish. I feel the Sean and Stevie duo are going to cause problems for their guards. Across the board we’re more athletic at every position, and Crowl isn’t a banger.
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Dexter went to the line down 49-50.
He missed the front end of the bonus. Duke now leads 52-49 with 30 seconds left. Dang.
The had a great chance. Damn.
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Now up 6 as Dexter promptly drills a 3 as I clicked send on the previous post.
Dexter to NBA
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UW is probably a win.
With Baylor and Wisconsin likely being losses, you'd need to beat ND on the road just to finish above .500 in the NonCon.
Which is it, Mr. Georgia Tech By 3? Probably a win or likely a loss?
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I feel good about our chances against Madison. I think we win by 10ish. I feel the Sean and Stevie duo are going to cause problems for their guards. Across the board we’re more athletic at every position, and Crowl isn’t a banger.
i’m worried if Oso has foul trouble, but I like your assessment.
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I feel good about our chances against Madison. I think we win by 10ish. I feel the Sean and Stevie duo are going to cause problems for their guards. Across the board we’re more athletic at every position, and Crowl isn’t a banger.
Agreed Elon. Wisconsin will be a win and ND as well. Hope Baylor is close enough to win at the end. Could be a fun couple weeks.
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I feel good about our chances against Madison. I think we win by 10ish.
Um yeah…..10 point win. Sounds logical.
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Which is it, Mr. Georgia Tech By 3? Probably a win or likely a loss?
Don’t argue with morons
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Did Huggy lose weight? 5lbs maybe?
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Which is it, Mr. Georgia Tech By 3? Probably a win or likely a loss?
*UW is probably going to win*
Is what that was meant to say. They probably won't blow us out because that's not in their game.
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*UW is probably going to win*
Is what that was meant to say. They probably won't blow us out because that's not in their game.
Cool. Are you more or less confident about that than you were about Georgia Tech winning?
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Cool. Are you more or less confident about that than you were about Georgia Tech winning?
More because UW is significantly better.
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More because UW is significantly better.
Wisconsin is 335 in D-1 in eFG%. Brutal. 276th in Offensive Rebound Percentage. We are a better offensive rebounding team for context - 237th. So, they don't shoot it well..AT ALL, and they aren't a team that punishes you on the offensive glass.
It could be an ugly rock fight/defensive battle, yet I'm not sold Wisconsin is as good as their #10 Defensive rating.
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More because UW is significantly better.
MOPE
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Wahl had a huge 2nd half today and all of his points were chippies or free throws. I wouldn't let him dribble 4-5 times one on one when he's trying to get to the rim. Kansas did not try to speed up Wisky much at all. I think it will be a tough game but it's definitely more than a winnable game for MU.
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Wisconsin is 335 in D-1 in eFG%. Brutal. 276th in Offensive Rebound Percentage. We are a better offensive rebounding team for context - 237th. So, they don't shoot it well..AT ALL, and they aren't a team that punishes you on the offensive glass.
It could be an ugly rock fight/defensive battle, yet I'm not sold Wisconsin is as good as their #10 Defensive rating.
Idc about numbers. They are significantly better than Georgia Tech and I don't need numbers to try and tell me otherwise.
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Idc about numbers. They are significantly better than Georgia Tech and I don't need numbers to try and tell me otherwise.
You thought Georgia Tech was better than Marquette. You were only wrong by 27 points on that call.
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You thought Georgia Tech was better than Marquette. You were only wrong by 27 points on that call.
I never thought they were better. That's just completely untrue. I thought they had a chance to win if they kept it close and I thought they would.
If you think Georgia Tech is better than UW you just don't know basketball.
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Freshman Brandon Miller has 22 points for Alabama against Michigan State with 16 minutes left.
Bigtime player. Alabama looks pretty solid.
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I never thought they were better. That's just completely untrue. I thought they had a chance to win if they kept it close and I thought they would.
If you think Georgia Tech is better than UW you just don't know basketball.
UWMadison is better than GT but definitely beatable, especially at home. I think it would be a disappointing loss. MU wins this game and cements itself as a potential tournament team in the next two weeks.
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UWMadison is better than GT but definitely beatable, especially at home. I think it would be a disappointing loss. MU wins this game and cements itself as a potential tournament team in the next two weeks.
Hope you're right. They definitely have a chance to beat them, but if I had to pick I would pick against it because we don't have evidence that they can beat a good team.
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Hope you're right. They definitely have a chance to beat them, but if I had to pick I would pick against it because we don't have evidence that they can beat a good team.
What good team has Wisconsin beaten? And don't say Dayton.
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Hope you're right. They definitely have a chance to beat them, but if I had to pick I would pick against it because we don't have evidence that they can beat a good team.
They did go on the road and handle Purdue for 30 min. Now, I’ll give you that they did not win but it was fairly good indicator that they can win at home against an opponent that, in my opinion, is superior to Wisconsin. The season is not far enough along for your argument “ that hey haven’t beaten a good team” to hold water. Nor is there enough data to disprove your opinion.
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They did go on the road and handle Purdue for 30 min. Now, I’ll give you that they did not win but it was fairly good indicator that they can win at home against an opponent that, in my opinion, is superior to Wisconsin. The season is not far enough along for your argument “ that hey haven’t beaten a good team” to hold water. Nor is there enough data to disprove your opinion.
It will be a pick 'em game or more likely MU favored by 3 at Fiserv.
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for what’s it’s worth, and realizing I’m late to this conversation, but agree with your analogy.,Laws, rules, regulations…there for a reason. Don’t have to agree with them, some probably quite ridiculous, but abide by them (reveals character, maybe an inner code on ethics & morality) until that law or reg is revised, changed, or omitted entirely.
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It will be a pick 'em game or more likely MU favored by 3 at Fiserv.
No doubt Muggs. I expect a line that is similar to what you are predicting but I think MU wins comfortably.
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I never thought they were better. That's just completely untrue. I thought they had a chance to win if they kept it close and I thought they would.
If you think Georgia Tech is better than UW you just don't know basketball.
"I never thought they were better; I just predicted that they'd win. But instead they lost by 24. So now I'll pretend I wasn't really wrong, and I'll say it's other people who don't know basketball."
And of course, you've set up a strawman because nobody here thinks Georgia Tech is better than Madison. OTOH, you were the only Scooper in the "Feeling vs Georgia Tech" thread to pick Marquette to lose (not counting Rico being funny). Well done!
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Purdue with a pretty comfortable win against West Virginia. If they match-up with Gonzaga tomorrow the Edey/Timmie duel will be interesting. Edey seems pretty laid back.
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No offense to Wojo but here would be my list of 10 things he brings to ESPN as a college hoops analyst:
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dude is an emotionless zombie. hasnt changed. espn dont care hes like part.of the 5th string crew.
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for what’s it’s worth, and realizing I’m late to this conversation, but agree with your analogy.,Laws, rules, regulations…there for a reason. Don’t have to agree with them, some probably quite ridiculous, but abide by them (reveals character, maybe an inner code on ethics & morality) until that law or reg is revised, changed, or omitted entirely.
Yet we as a society routinely treat certain people whose break laws as heroic figures. Anyone from Jesus of Nazareth, American revolutionaries, civil rights figures, etc.
I am hardly suggesting that Sampson is like these guys, but let’s not pretend that simply following all rules or laws is some symbol of virtue. Forcing change by breaking such rules or laws may at times be the higher ethical position.
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Yet we as a society routinely treat certain people whose break laws as heroic figures. Anyone from Jesus of Nazareth, American revolutionaries, civil rights figures, etc.
I am hardly suggesting that Sampson is like these guys, but let’s not pretend that simply following all rules or laws is some symbol of virtue. Forcing change by breaking such rules or laws may at times be the higher ethical position.
Generally speaking yes. But in Samsons case there was no ethical position or virtue. He was cheating to get a leg up on the competition. Other coaches followed the rule to their detriment because of coaches like Sampson because it was the rule set out by the NCAA. That is the only way to look at it.
Now does it amount to a speeding ticket or rolling through a stop sign? Sure. But ethical and virtuous? Not a chance.
Glad the rule has changed. It was stupid. He’s a great coach.
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Yet we as a society routinely treat certain people whose break laws as heroic figures. Anyone from Jesus of Nazareth, American revolutionaries, civil rights figures, etc.
I am hardly suggesting that Sampson is like these guys, but let’s not pretend that simply following all rules or laws is some symbol of virtue. Forcing change by breaking such rules or laws may at times be the higher ethical position.
Al and Rick did this...not Sampson.
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Generally speaking yes. But in Samsons case there was no ethical position or virtue. He was cheating to get a leg up on the competition. Other coaches followed the rule to their detriment because of coaches like Sampson because it was the rule set out by the NCAA. That is the only way to look at it.
Now does it amount to a speeding ticket or rolling through a stop sign? Sure. But ethical and virtuous? Not a chance.
Glad the rule has changed. It was stupid. He’s a great coach.
I agree with you. I was simply countering Viper’s point that it shows character to follow rules that are “ridiculous” and “silly.” And that you should simply wait for them to change.
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I never thought they were better. That's just completely untrue. I thought they had a chance to win if they kept it close and I thought they would.
If you think Georgia Tech is better than UW you just don't know basketball.
Call you the landscaper because you stay hedging
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The Badgers are the most annoying team in college basketball. They shoot like crap for 5 games and none of their opponents can hit anything.
They finally play a team that makes shots and suddenly the Badgers can't miss.
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The Badgers are the most annoying team in college basketball. They shoot like crap for 5 games and none of their opponents can hit anything.
They finally play a team that makes shots and suddenly the Badgers can't miss.
I’m fine with the getting it out of their system now.
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The Badgers are the most annoying team in college basketball. They shoot like crap for 5 games and none of their opponents can hit anything.
They finally play a team that makes shots and suddenly the Badgers can't miss.
Watched second half. Connor Essegian is going to be annoying AF. But not very impressed with UW-Madison.
Our guards should be able to disrupt Hepburn and Essegian. OMax neutralizes Wahl. After those three they don’t have much.
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They have enough to beat MU, ask Kansas how easy it is to score on the Badgers? MU can easily win as 3’s are given, but there off Badgers win easily.
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They have enough to beat MU, ask Kansas how easy it is to score on the Badgers? MU can easily win as 3’s are given, but there off Badgers win easily.
UW plays up or down to their opponent. They are good at finding a way. You don't win 70% of games almost every year by accident. Make it ugly and don't make mistakes late is their motto.
I think if we try and shoot 3s to beat them it could get ugly. Just take the open ones and attack the rim. I trust Kolek and Oso to set up their teammates, the teammates just have to produce.
On a slightly more concerning note for the Big East...Nova down 8 to Portland at half. Yikes.
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What's with the blimp angle for these Portland games on ESPN?
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Notre Dame lit it up for 20 first half points against the Bonnies.. I would like to hit the trifecta and dispose of Baylor, Wisky, and ND.
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Notre Dame lit it up for 20 first half points against the Bonnies.. I would like to hit the trifecta and dispose of Baylor, Wisky, and ND.
We scored 17 in the first half against MS State.
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We scored 17 in the first half against MS State.
Do you think it's possible that scoring 20 against St. Bonaventure (currently ranked as the 112th best defense) is a worse showing than scoring 17 against Mississippi State (currently ranked as the 6th best defense)?
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Do you think it's possible that scoring 20 against St. Bonaventure (currently ranked as the 112th best defense) is a worse showing than scoring 17 against Mississippi State (currently ranked as the 6th best defense)?
Maybe. But I don’t think we should be laughing at teams for scoring 20 points in a half when we’ve done worse.
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Maybe. But I don’t think we should be laughing at teams for scoring 20 points in a half when we’ve done worse.
That’s a great point. Definitely not a laughing matter.
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Can I laugh anyway? Especially if they lose to SBU who lost to Canisius,?
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Can I laugh anyway? Especially if they lose to SBU who lost to Canisius,?
Absolutely not, because Marquette only scored 17 in a half this season.
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Absolutely not, because Marquette only scored 17 in a half this season.
Okay. But we have to beat that team.
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Can I laugh anyway? Especially if they lose to SBU who lost to Canisius,?
Yes
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Mugster, back in the day Kate Upton, Gail Pudvan, and Lisa Dooley wooda dunn it fore me. Reality sez eye'd bea livin' large wit just won of 'em, hey?
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Catching up on a few scores...somehow Dayton lost to BYU and went 0-3 at the Battle for Atlantis.
Had the game on earlier and Dayton had a near 25 point lead.
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Catching up on a few scores...somehow Dayton lost to BYU and went 0-3 at the Battle for Atlantis.
Had the game on earlier and Dayton had a near 25 point lead.
Couldn't happen to a more swell fanbase.
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Catching up on a few scores...somehow Dayton lost to BYU and went 0-3 at the Battle for Atlantis.
Had the game on earlier and Dayton had a near 25 point lead.
Pretty convinced it’s a down year for the BE numbers wise and I don’t think much can change it.
I think 5 bids is fair.
Tough for an up and coming bubble type squad but I don’t think it changes things overall.
Marquette beats Creighton 12/17 and it’s on the fast track to in.
I’ll go on record that it’s happening.
Loss there and it’s an uphill battle
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Iowa St. just took out Carolina.
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Iowa St. just took out Carolina.
Muggsy did we need TJO?
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Muggsy did we need TJO?
He does a great job putting together stacked softball teams in local bar leagues
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Muggsy did we need TJO?
I trust Shaka will get there Dr. V
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I trust Shaka will get there Dr. V
Get where?
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Get where?
We will get back to being an auto NCAA tournament program with the potential to do damage.
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Kansas not exactly impressive tonight vs Tennessee.
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Kansas not exactly impressive tonight vs Tennessee.
16th in KenPom entering tonight. Tennessee was 6th. Vols winning isn’t a surprise
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16th in KenPom entering tonight. Tennessee was 6th. Vols winning isn’t a surprise
They also lost to Colorado. It's a surprise.
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They also lost to Colorado. It's a surprise.
Not only was Tennessee ranked higher in KemPom, they were actually favorites when the game tipped off. Not a surprise.
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Does KenPom really mean anything through 4-5 games. What's Grambling State's KenPom and how did they beat Colorado?
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Mugster, back in the day Kate Upton, Gail Pudvan, and Lisa Dooley wooda dunn it fore me. Reality sez eye'd bea livin' large wit just won of 'em, hey?
one of em has to be RED. Just beat RED. Better Dead, than Red
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Damn. It sure would have been nice to steal a win at Purdue.
They are having their way with Gonzaga in the 1st half.
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Damn. It sure would have been nice to steal a win at Purdue.
They are having their way with Gonzaga in the 1st half.
It was definitely a winnable game, we lost poise down the stretch.. Purdue did however earn the W. The Miss St. loss was a fking meltdown.....meaning we threw that game away. That was a killer. We need to beat Wisky and ND. Maybe just maybe we can shock the world by punking Baylor.
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Does KenPom really mean anything through 4-5 games. What's Grambling State's KenPom and how did they beat Colorado?
Yeah, how can we trust these computers?
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Purdue is just handling Gonzaga with ease through 32 minutes.
If only we didn't blow that 9 point lead. That road win would have gone a long way.
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Purdue is just handling Gonzaga with ease through 32 minutes.
If only we didn't blow that 9 point lead. That road win would have gone a long way.
Pretty impressive that we outrebounded Purdue.
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The last 8 minutes were even better than the first 32.
Purdue 84
Gonzaga 66
Wow.
*and because of these results, Xavier gets Gonzaga in the 3rd place game. Tough consolation prize for the Musketeers.
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It was definitely a winnable game, we lost poise down the stretch.. Purdue did however earn the W. The Miss St. loss was a fking meltdown.....meaning we threw that game away. That was a killer. We need to beat Wisky and ND. Maybe just maybe we can shock the world by punking Baylor.
Possible but not probable. But considering the wild games and upsets the past few days, who knows? I really like our team. They're fun to watch (well, not always, but... ;D) and I am still hoping for "3 in 3"- MU finishing #3 BE in Shaka year 3. Whether they surprise as they did last January or struggle as they gain experience, my long view on our team is very bright.
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Possible but not probable. But considering the wild games and upsets the past few days, who knows? I really like our team. They're fun to watch (well, not always, but... ;D) and I am still hoping for "3 in 3"- MU finishing #3 BE in Shaka year 3. Whether they surprise as they did last January or struggle as they gain experience, my long view on our team is very bright.
A reasonable, realistic (i.e. un-Scoopy) viewpoint.
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Too bad Purdue isn’t a top 25 team and Edey is trash, am I right?
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Too bad Purdue isn’t a top 25 team and Edey is trash, am I right?
Too bad you think our team is trash, yet we led Purdue for 34 minutes on its home floor in Year 2 of the Shaka regime. Yet somehow you were Wojo's biggest fanboy for 5+ years, even knowing that in his 2nd year at MU we got our doors absolutely blown off at home by #23 Iowa, 89-61. But hey, he at least could recruit a McDonald's All American in Henry, right? And Shaka's recruiting sucks, as we don't have any "dudes." Am I right?
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Too bad you think our team is trash, yet we led Purdue for 34 minutes on its home floor in Year 2 of the Shaka regime. Yet somehow you were Wojo's biggest fanboy for 5+ years, even knowing that in his 2nd year at MU we got our doors absolutely blown off at home by #23 Iowa, 89-61. But hey, he at least could recruit a McDonald's All American in Henry, right? And Shaka's recruiting sucks, as we don't have any "dudes." Am I right?
How many times are you going to bring up Wojo and how many times do I need to tell you he’s no longer our coach and all I care about is what Shaka does now? Stopped reading after you brought him up.
Wish you wouldn’t have bailed on our bet. Would love to have to pay up due to Kolek shooting well. And if I had won would still have loved to donate to a good cause. But that’s what you do. You talk big and when it comes time to put your money where your mouth is you just turn to things you and Zigg consider to be funny insults.
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Too bad you think our team is trash, yet we led Purdue for 34 minutes on its home floor in Year 2 of the Shaka regime. Yet somehow you were Wojo's biggest fanboy for 5+ years, even knowing that in his 2nd year at MU we got our doors absolutely blown off at home by #23 Iowa, 89-61. But hey, he at least could recruit a McDonald's All American in Henry, right? And Shaka's recruiting sucks, as we don't have any "dudes." Am I right?
You can stop living in the past any day now.
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How many times are you going to bring up Wojo and how many times do I need to tell you he’s no longer our coach and all I care about is what Shaka does now? Stopped reading after you brought him up.
You can stop living in the past any day now.
Get these two hot takers a room. Though it is kind of cute Sultan, how you immediately come to the rescue of young Wades and try to bail him out of his frequently horrendous hot takes.
The relevance of bringing up Wades failed Wojo hot takes, is that he's the biggest MOPE on this board regarding our current team/Coach. So, it should ultimately be comforting to MU fans to know he's the same clown who thought Wojo was the goods and was professing Final Fours under Wojo.
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Get these two hot takers a room. Though it is kind of cute Sultan, how you immediately come to the rescue of young Wades and try to bail him out of his frequently horrendous hot takes.
The relevance of bringing up Wades failed Wojo hot takes, is that he's the biggest MOPE on this board regarding our current team/Coach. So, it should ultimately be comforting to MU fans to know he's the same clown who thought Wojo was the goods and was professing Final Fours under Wojo.
Take the bet coward
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Get these two hot takers a room. Though it is kind of cute Sultan, how you immediately come to the rescue of young Wades and try to bail him out of his frequently horrendous hot takes.
The relevance of bringing up Wades failed Wojo hot takes, is that he's the biggest MOPE on this board regarding our current team/Coach. So, it should ultimately be comforting to MU fans to know he's the same clown who thought Wojo was the goods and was professing Final Fours under Wojo.
Wades is focusing on the current team, and knowing him, will admit his error if they overperform. Instead of focusing on the past, say why you think he is wrong now.
We all have bad takes from the past - you thought John Dawson was a high major PG after he made a few good passes against Grambling.
Take the bet coward
Yeah. That too.
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Take the bet coward
LOL - Yeah. Another stellar Wades pretzel. I'm willing to wager the $1k, and "put my money where my mouth is." I gamble to win (or lose) money, not for charity. If he's so charitable, and wins the bet, he can send my $1k to the charity of his choice. If I win, I want his money. Simple as that. He won't make the bet.
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Wades is focusing on the current team, and knowing him, will admit his error if they overperform. Instead of focusing on the past, say why you think he is wrong now.
We all have bad takes from the past - you thought John Dawson was a high major PG after he made a few good passes against Grambling.
I thought John Dawson was a good basketball player, yes. He was also smart enough, yet somewhat shoved out by Wojo, to leave and not play for an idiot of a coach. But, John did make the G-League and that in and of itself is a testament to having had some ability.
As for the current team/regime - if you can't see that Shaka is light years ahead of Steve Wojo as a coach, intellectually, creatively, and charismatically - I don't know what to tell you. Wades is President of the MOPE club and we are 5 games into Year 2 of Shaka following his Year 1 where we made the NCAA when no one - other than the most optimistic MU fans - thought we'd make the NCAA . FFS.
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Wades is concerned there isn't enough talent on this team. This has nothing to do with Wojo, and is making no comparisons between Wojo and Shaka. So that really isn't an effective counter to his initial thesis.
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Wades is concerned there isn't enough talent on this team. This has nothing to do with Wojo, and is making no comparisons between Wojo and Shaka. So that really isn't an effective counter to his initial thesis.
Are you Wades Daddy?
It's Year 2 FFS. Wades seems to like Sean Jones. Most seem to think Chase Ross has a high ceiling and could be a "dude." Ben Gold has good potential. Tyler Kolek and O-Max have been very good additions to the program. Wojo's guys - Kam, Stevie and Oso have all shown growth. We don't know enough about Ellis yet. Joplin is a question mark. Itjere is a 5-year project.
Shaka's laid out his vision - to build from within and invest in the guys in the program..which means we likely aren't going to be big players in the transfer market. If there's a hole so far, it is that we likely will be a little thin (literally) in the front court. But Shaka wants to play fast and we likely won't see many if any big bruisers under Shaka.
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LOL - Yeah. Another stellar Wades pretzel. I'm willing to wager the $1k, and "put my money where my mouth is." I gamble to win (or lose) money, not for charity. If he's so charitable, and wins the bet, he can send my $1k to the charity of his choice. If I win, I want his money. Simple as that. He won't make the bet.
The funny thing is, you posted this thinking it makes you look better lol
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Are you Wades Daddy?
It's Year 2 FFS. Wades seems to like Sean Jones. Most seem to think Chase Ross has a high ceiling and could be a "dude." Ben Gold has good potential. Tyler Kolek and O-Max have been very good additions to the program. Wojo's guys - Kam, Stevie and Oso have all shown growth. We don't know enough about Ellis yet. Joplin is a question mark. Itjere is a 5-year project.
Shaka's laid out his vision - to build from within and invest in the guys in the program..which means we likely aren't going to be big players in the transfer market. If there's a hole so far, it is that we likely will be a little thin (literally) in the front court. But Shaka wants to play fast and we likely won't see many if any big bruisers under Shaka.
I agree with you.
But bringing up Wojo in defense of your argument only weakens it.
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The funny thing is, you posted this thinking it makes you look better lol
The funny thing is, is most people gamble for recreation and profit/loss - not charity. But I guess there are guys like Wades (and maybe you?) who go to casinos and donate all of their winnings to charity.
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The funny thing is, is most people gamble for recreation and profit/loss - not charity. But I guess there are guys like Wades (and maybe you?) who go to casinos and donate all of their winnings to charity.
Yep I love gambling for money. I also like to make wagers with my buddies to prove my points. In that case, I wouldn’t care what the terms were if I truly believed in my case.
So as it stands now, you have no belief in your convictions (coward) and you refuse to entertain the idea of charity. Otherwise you look awesome.
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Purdue is better than I thought. I didn't expect their freshmen guards to be that good. It's mostly Edey because he creates the majority of their opportunities offensively but I have to admit Painter can coach and they're pretty good on the perimeter as well.
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Yep I love gambling for money. I also like to make wagers with my buddies to prove my points. In that case, I wouldn’t care what the terms were if I truly believed in my case.
So as it stands now, you have no belief in your convictions (coward) and you refuse to entertain the idea of charity. Otherwise you look awesome.
Cool story. In that case why don't you be me $1K - you can have Kolek under 35% for the year, I've got the over? The winner gets the money. I'm not making this wager to "prove points." WTAF kind of point is that?
It's absurd for you to interject yourself into this between me and Wades, but even more absurd is to suggest I have no belief in my convictions when I'm willing to make the wager. There are a lot of dumb arguments on Scoop, but you (and Wades) are making this one, one of the dumbest.
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Are you Wades Daddy?
It's Year 2 FFS. Wades seems to like Sean Jones. Most seem to think Chase Ross has a high ceiling and could be a "dude." Ben Gold has good potential. Tyler Kolek and O-Max have been very good additions to the program. Wojo's guys - Kam, Stevie and Oso have all shown growth. We don't know enough about Ellis yet. Joplin is a question mark. Itjere is a 5-year project.
Shaka's laid out his vision - to build from within and invest in the guys in the program..which means we likely aren't going to be big players in the transfer market. If there's a hole so far, it is that we likely will be a little thin (literally) in the front court. But Shaka wants to play fast and we likely won't see many if any big bruisers under Shaka.
Correct. And I have my doubts about that philosophy in today’s day of NIL and free transfers that it’s a good philosophy to not look into the transfer market.
I think Shaka’s better than Wojo. But Shaka has now gone as long without an NCAA Tournament win as Wojo did. I think he’ll get one eventually. But I don’t think teams with OMax as your best pro prospect get a ton of Tourney wins.
LOL - Yeah. Another stellar Wades pretzel. I'm willing to wager the $1k, and "put my money where my mouth is." I gamble to win (or lose) money, not for charity. If he's so charitable, and wins the bet, he can send my $1k to the charity of his choice. If I win, I want his money. Simple as that. He won't make the bet.
Yes. I’m in a pretzel. I’ve said since the moment I posted it that I’d do it for charity. You’re the one who said I was afraid of the bet when I wouldn’t pay you $1K.
You talk big. You never back it up. Ever.
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Cool story. In that case why don't you be me $1K - you can have Kolek under 35% for the year, I've got the over? The winner gets the money. I'm not making this wager to "prove points." WTAF kind of point is that?
It's absurd for you to interject yourself into this between me and Wades, but even more absurd is to suggest I have no belief in my convictions when I'm willing to make the wager. There are a lot of dumb arguments on Scoop, but you (and Wades) are making this one, one of the dumbest.
If you’re willing to make a wager, you would’ve made the wager already. Wades set the terms and you’re squelching on them.
Oh well, bet or no bet, you’ll always be able to hang your hat on the fact you bragged to a bunch of people on a message board that you used to be able to dunk.
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Can this be retitled to the wades/Ners non-bet thread?
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Can this be retitled to the wades/Ners non-bet thread?
Yes please.
Ners obsession with Wojo is exhausting, weird, and concerning. It doesn’t need to be constantly brought up but he loves Wojo… a lover scorned.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=igVLkndrAWg
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Correct. And I have my doubts about that philosophy in today’s day of NIL and free transfers that it’s a good philosophy to not look into the transfer market.
I think Shaka’s better than Wojo. But Shaka has now gone as long without an NCAA Tournament win as Wojo did. I think he’ll get one eventually. But I don’t think teams with OMax as your best pro prospect get a ton of Tourney wins.
Yes. I’m in a pretzel. I’ve said since the moment I posted it that I’d do it for charity. You’re the one who said I was afraid of the bet when I wouldn’t pay you $1K.
You talk big. You never back it up. Ever.
I'm not sure O-Max is our best NBA prospect but I think in today's game, having NBA players, isn't the only path to tournament success or a F4. Loyola-Chi wasn't exactly littered with pros. Nova last year did not have a sure NBA player and obviously St. Peter's didn't either.
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I've never been to a UW/Marquette game, but I'm thinking of going on Saturday. What is the crowd split usually like at those games?
It looks on TV like each school travels well but hard to tell on TV what the actual split is.
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I've never been to a UW/Marquette game, but I'm thinking of going on Saturday. What is the crowd split usually like at those games?
It looks on TV like each school travels well but hard to tell on TV what the actual split is.
You’re an MU fan that has never been to an MU vs. UW game?
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If you’re willing to make a wager, you would’ve made the wager already. Wades set the terms and you’re squelching on them.
Oh well, bet or no bet, you’ll always be able to hang your hat on the fact you bragged to a bunch of people on a message board that you used to be able to dunk.
You apparently think stating facts = bragging. You apparently think not agreeing to where the money goes on a bet is being "afraid" or even funnier "squelching" to make the bet. Nonsense. If Wades were confident in his bet, he'd have no problem making it as the money would end up at a charity. (See two can play at that game.) So, despite your weird decision to interject yourself into this debate, and refer to modifying bet terms as "squelching" you should focus more on evaluating our basketball program.
Yes please.
Ners obsession with Wojo is exhausting, weird, and concerning. It doesn’t need to be constantly brought up but he loves Wojo… a lover scorned.
There's no obsession with Wojo. The Wojo lover scorned is Wades. That guy went full on mancrush fanboy for Wojo. But you could say there is an obsession about calling Wades out for his garbage (MOPE) takes on the current state of our team, program, and players. Context matters and Wades thought Wojo was the goods - therefore, his opinions on a Head Coach should be taken with a grain of salt.
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You’re an MU fan that has never been to an MU vs. UW game?
Correct.
I didn't go to Marquette. I've been a fan since as long as I can remember basically. I go to about 4 or 5 games a year but never been to an MU/UW game.
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I don’t care what Wadesworld thought of Wojo. What I need to know in determining whether to take his opinions as gospel or not is…has he ever dunked?
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Marquette will be a small favorite vs. Wisconsin, the public will be on Wisconsin, and I’ll gladly lay the 1-3 points.
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Marquette will be a small favorite vs. Wisconsin, the public will be on Wisconsin, and I’ll gladly lay the 1-3 points.
I agree with this analysis. Right now KenPom has MU favored to win by 2 points. I'd very comfortable giving up to 3.5 to UW-Madison.
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Ners: the guy who complained he bet all his money away and had to live in apartments that had hallways that were pee infested because, as he claimed, black people are lazy and bring it upon themselves. Then hear here complaining about not taking his bets. Maybe he shouldn’t be betting money?
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You apparently think stating facts = bragging. You apparently think not agreeing to where the money goes on a bet is being "afraid" or even funnier "squelching" to make the bet. Nonsense. If Wades were confident in his bet, he'd have no problem making it as the money would end up at a charity. (See two can play at that game.) So, despite your weird decision to interject yourself into this debate, and refer to modifying bet terms as "squelching" you should focus more on evaluating our basketball program.
There's no obsession with Wojo. The Wojo lover scorned is Wades. That guy went full on mancrush fanboy for Wojo. But you could say there is an obsession about calling Wades out for his garbage (MOPE) takes on the current state of our team, program, and players. Context matters and Wades thought Wojo was the goods - therefore, his opinions on a Head Coach should be taken with a grain of salt.
Keep posting this is hilarious
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I've never been to a UW/Marquette game, but I'm thinking of going on Saturday. What is the crowd split usually like at those games?
It looks on TV like each school travels well but hard to tell on TV what the actual split is.
It's probably 85/15 Marquette. Maybe more, but they definitely make their presence felt, and it seems like there's a few red shirts in every section.
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It's probably 85/15 Marquette. Maybe more, but they definitely make their presence felt, and it seems like there's a few red shirts in every section.
And the suites are majority red
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Too bad you think our team is trash, yet we led Purdue for 34 minutes on its home floor in Year 2 of the Shaka regime. Yet somehow you were Wojo's biggest fanboy for 5+ years, even knowing that in his 2nd year at MU we got our doors absolutely blown off at home by #23 Iowa, 89-61. But hey, he at least could recruit a McDonald's All American in Henry, right? And Shaka's recruiting sucks, as we don't have any "dudes." Am I right?
Boy you're way off, just dumb rants.
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It's probably 85/15 Marquette. Maybe more, but they definitely make their presence felt, and it seems like there's a few red shirts in every section.
Thanks!
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You apparently think stating facts = bragging. You apparently think not agreeing to where the money goes on a bet is being "afraid" or even funnier "squelching" to make the bet. Nonsense. If Wades were confident in his bet, he'd have no problem making it as the money would end up at a charity. (See two can play at that game.) So, despite your weird decision to interject yourself into this debate, and refer to modifying bet terms as "squelching" you should focus more on evaluating our basketball program.
There's no obsession with Wojo. The Wojo lover scorned is Wades. That guy went full on mancrush fanboy for Wojo. But you could say there is an obsession about calling Wades out for his garbage (MOPE) takes on the current state of our team, program, and players. Context matters and Wades thought Wojo was the goods - therefore, his opinions on a Head Coach should be taken with a grain of salt.
Huge man crush obsession, crazy
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Kent State lead #2 Houston with under a minute to play.
It looks like Houston is going to hold on. Game in the 40's.
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UW-Milwaukee wins a thriller at the horn.
https://twitter.com/NCAABuzzerBters/status/1596662370536865792?t=I82NZCyljSmmCBCfQCBEpg&s=19
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Syracuse is turning into a legit train wreck. The fan base is 100% against JB.
Crazy to think back to the BE 15 years ago (best ever CBB conference) and SU & UofL were "blue blood" type programs. Now a combined 3-9 vs mostly cupcakes.
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UW-Milwaukee wins a thriller at the horn.
https://twitter.com/NCAABuzzerBters/status/1596662370536865792?t=I82NZCyljSmmCBCfQCBEpg&s=19
In front of 27 fans
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Purdue took their foot off the gas but had a very strong half vs Duke.
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These Purdue Frosh guards are unbelievably impressive. I never imagined they would be that good to start the season.
Edey is a nightmare problem. He may not be an NBA player but he is a dominant college player.
Filipowski will be a good pro. Duke 2-18 from distance today.
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Purdue took their foot off the gas but had a very strong half vs Duke.
Strong second half too. Some week for their fans.
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Strong second half too. Some week for their fans.
We had a real shot against them. They throttled both Gonzaga and Duke.
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Bill Walton just said about Lucas: "Maurice never started a fight, he just finished them".
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If you’re willing to make a wager, you would’ve made the wager already. Wades set the terms and you’re squelching on them.
Why in the world is Ners getting sh!t for refusing Wade’s “terms”? Would you be dumb enough to make a $1000 bet where if you win you get nothing and if you lose you pay $1000? I hope not. Make enough of those “wagers” and you’re guaranteed to go broke. Wade’s is posing, just like Chicos used to do.
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Why in the world is Ners getting sh!t for refusing Wade’s “terms”? Would you be dumb enough to make a $1000 bet where if you win you get nothing and if you lose you pay $1000? I hope not. Make enough of those “wagers” and you’re guaranteed to go broke. Wade’s is posing, just like Chicos used to do.
You do get a $1000 tax deduction for the donation. Which...isn't stupid if you were already going to make donations in the calendar year :)
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These Purdue Frosh guards are unbelievably impressive. I never imagined they would be that good to start the season.
Edey is a nightmare problem. He may not be an NBA player but he is a dominant college player.
Filipowski will be a good pro. Duke 2-18 from distance today.
Duke and Gonzaga never had a chance against them on a neutral court. We hung with them at their place.
They’re really good. Mississippi State is pretty good too. Both seriously underrated preseason.
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Why in the world is Ners getting sh!t for refusing Wade’s “terms”? Would you be dumb enough to make a $1000 bet where if you win you get nothing and if you lose you pay $1000? I hope not. Make enough of those “wagers” and you’re guaranteed to go broke. Wade’s is posing, just like Chicos used to do.
He’s getting sh*t because he was calling out wades for refusing to bet.
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You do get a $1000 tax deduction for the donation. Which...isn't stupid if you were already going to make donations in the calendar year :)
I’m all for giving to charities. If you planned a donation you already had funds allocated from savings, wages, even gambling winnings.
But to actually make bets where you lose 1000 or earn a much smaller amount in a tax deduction next April? Dumb.
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<Rocky's annual Bill Walton rant>
Really wish I could watch the 3OT UNC/Bama game with sound on, great game. But demoted to the second screen because of Walton. Unbearable.
</rant>
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<Rocky's annual Bill Walton rant>
Really wish I could watch the 3OT UNC/Bama game with sound on, great game. But demoted to the second screen because of Walton. Unbearable.
</rant>
He's not good.
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That was a goaltending? Can that be reviewed?
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Why in the world is Ners getting sh!t for refusing Wade’s “terms”? Would you be dumb enough to make a $1000 bet where if you win you get nothing and if you lose you pay $1000? I hope not. Make enough of those “wagers” and you’re guaranteed to go broke. Wade’s is posing, just like Chicos used to do.
I agree that I wouldn’t participate in a charity bet, however Wades called out the coward and set the terms first.
The coward is trying to wiggle away from the bet. If he had any belief in his position, he’d either begrudgingly accept the terms or Flip the script and make a counter offer wades has no choice but to accept.
Instead, the coward keeps making excuses…
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Portland trailed by 10 with 1:50 left.
After a Hauser TO and Portland 3 it is now 78-77 with 40.5 seconds left.
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Portland trailed by 10 with 1:50 left.
After a Hauser TO and Portland 3 it is now 78-77 with 40.5 seconds left.
Portland fouled with a few seconds left and it goes uncalled.
Michigan State steals a win 78 to 77. Portland got hosed.
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I agree that I wouldn’t participate in a charity bet, however Wades called out the coward and set the terms first.
The coward is trying to wiggle away from the bet. If he had any belief in his position, he’d either begrudgingly accept the terms or Flip the script and make a counter offer wades has no choice but to accept.
Instead, the coward keeps making excuses…
Keep calling him names, but when a guy demands a “bet” be structured in a way that his opponent can only lose or break even, he’s begging to be turned down and only trying to make himself look good.
If all Wade’s wants is a “gentlemen’s bet” with no money changing hands he should just say so.
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Florida State is now 1-7
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Keep calling him names, but when a guy demands a “bet” be structured in a way that his opponent can only lose or break even, he’s begging to be turned down and only trying to make himself look good.
If all Wade’s wants is a “gentlemen’s bet” with no money changing hands he should just say so.
I said it from the start. If he didn’t want to take it fine. He’s the one who tried to call me out for not wanting a bet. It’s not like I win money if I win but he doesn’t win money if he wins. I’m “posing” so much that I would be out $1K no matter who wins the bet. Good call Lenny!
At least one person on Scoop isn’t laughing at how cowardly he is though. Glad he has you. Was starting to feel bad.
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These Purdue Frosh guards are unbelievably impressive. I never imagined they would be that good to start the season.
Edey is a nightmare problem. He may not be an NBA player but he is a dominant college player.
Filipowski will be a good pro. Duke 2-18 from distance today.
He may turn out to be a good pro, but right now Filipowski strikes me as nothing more than a volume scorer.
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I said it from the start. If he didn’t want to take it fine. He’s the one who tried to call me out for not wanting a bet. It’s not like I win money if I win but he doesn’t win money if he wins. I’m “posing” so much that I would be out $1K no matter who wins the bet. Good call Lenny!
At least one person on Scoop isn’t laughing at how cowardly he is though. Glad he has you. Was starting to feel bad.
You don't want to make the bet. Period. I'm 100% willing to wager the $1k, but if I win, I want your money. If I lose, you can do whatever you want with mine - donate it to the charity of your choice!
Reality is, you made your bet "offer" (not naming amount) prior to Kolek hitting the 3, second half 3's against MS State - Quoting a post I'd made projecting he'd shoot 35-40% on the season (at the time he was 26%).
It's really convenient for you to try to weasel out of the bet using the loophole of "charity." As for Panda (or you) calling me a coward - I could care less.
Lastly, the type of people who make $1k bets that they break even on or lose, are those who are gambling with other people's money - like their parents.
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You don't want to make the bet. Period. I'm 100% willing to wager the $1k, but if I win, I want your money. If I lose, you can do whatever you want with mine - donate it to the charity of your choice!
Reality is, you made your bet "offer" (not naming amount) prior to Kolek hitting the 3, second half 3's against MS State - Quoting a post I'd made projecting he'd shoot 35-40% on the season (at the time he was 26%).
It's really convenient for you to try to weasel out of the bet using the loophole of "charity." As for Panda (or you) calling me a coward - I could care less.
Lastly, the type of people who make $1k bets that they break even on or lose, are those who are gambling with other people's money - like their parents.
The bet was charity at the time I posted it. The bet continues to be charity. I'd still make the bet with Kolek shooting 40% from 3. There's 0 chance I break even, since I'd match your donation if I win. If you didn't want to that's fine, but you're the one claiming I didn't want to make the bet. Put your money where your mouth is. Or don't and continue to be a coward. It's been on brand for you the entire time you've posted here. Nobody is surprised.
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You don't want to make the bet. Period. I'm 100% willing to wager the $1k, but if I win, I want your money. If I lose, you can do whatever you want with mine - donate it to the charity of your choice!
Reality is, you made your bet "offer" (not naming amount) prior to Kolek hitting the 3, second half 3's against MS State - Quoting a post I'd made projecting he'd shoot 35-40% on the season (at the time he was 26%).
It's really convenient for you to try to weasel out of the bet using the loophole of "charity." As for Panda (or you) calling me a coward - I could care less.
Lastly, the type of people who make $1k bets that they break even on or lose, are those who are gambling with other people's money - like their parents.
Your logic makes little sense. He is still willing to make the bet - one that he would not personally benefit from (other than a tax deduction and the nice warm feeling of philanthropy.)
So how can you say he is weaseling out of anything?
Ners, you have done a good job the last couple of years of not going all apesh*t on here. You may just want to step back and let this one go.
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Bunch of fine jesuit educated people you are "I wouldn't donate to charity I want my money" "a guy loses if he donates to charity"
Jesus Ners and Lenny. I agree 1k is a bit more than I'd do but the content of the two of your posts are 100% greedy crap rather than what you should've learned at MU.
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The bet was charity at the time I posted it. The bet continues to be charity. I'd still make the bet with Kolek shooting 40% from 3. There's 0 chance I break even, since I'd match your donation if I win. If you didn't want to that's fine, but you're the one claiming I didn't want to make the bet. Put your money where your mouth is. Or don't and continue to be a coward. It's been on brand for you the entire time you've posted here. Nobody is surprised.
Wait. So now you've moved the bet to 40% from 3. Shocker. Thanks for outing the reality that you don't want to make the bet at 35% which you'd initially offered - jumping on my post projecting Kolek to shoot 35-40% at the time he was shooting 26% from 3 (prior to Kolek knocking down the second half 3's against MS State.) Using the charity loophole is quite convenient.
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Freaking chef’s kisses
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Can we change this to a slap bet? Cause I would pay $1000 to charity to see that.
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Start over. Make the bet Kolek 35% from three or above for $1000 or any amount you both find acceptable. No strings attached.
Or don’t bet and let it go.
And then people can stop calling people cowards.
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Start over. Make the bet Kolek 35% from three or above for $1000 or any amount you both find acceptable. No strings attached.
Or don’t bet and let it go.
And then people can stop calling people cowards.
No, pick a side you coward!
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Ha!
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Wait. So now you've moved the bet to 40% from 3. Shocker. Thanks for outing the reality that you don't want to make the bet at 35% which you'd initially offered - jumping on my post projecting Kolek to shoot 35-40% at the time he was shooting 26% from 3 (prior to Kolek knocking down the second half 3's against MS State.) Using the charity loophole is quite convenient.
Talk about pretzels. Are you intentionally being dumb or what? The bet is 35%. Always has been. Always has been the winner donates to charity. It's TOTALLY FINE if you don't want to take that bet, but that's the bet I'm offering!
First you claim I didn't want to make the bet because Kolek got hot and is up to 40% from 3, even though I'd be losing my $1K no matter what the result of the bet is. Now you're claiming I'm changing the bet to 40% from 3, which has never been stated.
The bet is money to a charity of the winner's choosing (and I'll match your money if I win!) if Kolek shoots above 35% from 3. That's been the bet the entire time! Whether it was made when Kolek was shooting 26% or 40%. Doesn't matter to me!
Quit talking about weasling out of a bet. I've been consistent the entire time. You're the one who won't make the bet. Which is totally fine! But quit talking about me having no interest in actually making the bet. It's been up to you to say yes the entire time. You refuse to. Which, for the third time, is fine! Doesn't even make you a coward! What does is continually claiming someone else doesn't want to make the bet, when the bet has been the same the entire way and you don't want to take it.
I'll be done there. I've taken up enough of this board's space. You can say yes or no. Or you can continue to wiggle your way around having to actually say no. But I'll give you until the ball tips against Baylor to say yes. If so, great! If not, I'm done talking about it.
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Can we change this to a slap bet? Cause I would pay $1000 to charity to see that.
Slap bet commissioner approves
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No, pick a side you coward!
I'll bet Shooter can't pick a side.
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I'll bet Shooter can't pick a side.
No $ amount? You coward!
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I’ll bet someone $1000 ners will bring this non-bet up for a minimum of 5 years
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I’ll bet someone $1000 ners will bring this non-bet up for a minimum of 5 years
I'm only willing to take that bet if we can donate Ners to charity. Whatta' you say, coward?
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I'm only willing to take that bet if we can donate Ners to charity. Whatta' you say, coward?
That new MU board could use members we could donate him to them
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Florida State is now 1-7
How good is the ACC? BC is not in the bottom 4 of the league. BC who lost to Tarleton.
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How good is the ACC? BC is not in the bottom 4 of the league. BC who lost to Tarleton.
The ACC Is abysmal.
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I think some leagues and teams are seeing a hangover from the extra COVID year and free transfer rule. Cohesion and experience issues.
Look at MU who didn't dig deep this year. #304 on experience but #96 in minutes continuity. Providence is #103 on experience but #284 on minutes continuity, as a contrast. Maybe Shaka's onto something?
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I think some leagues and teams are seeing a hangover from the extra COVID year and free transfer rule. Cohesion and experience issues.
Look at MU who didn't dig deep this year. #304 on experience but #96 in minutes continuity. Providence is #103 on experience but #284 on minutes continuity, as a contrast. Maybe Shaka's onto something?
We'll see when we play Providence.
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How good is the ACC? BC is not in the bottom 4 of the league. BC who lost to Tarleton.
I think the ACC will have the same number of tournament bids that they do teams that finish outside the top 100.
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6-1 Troy has a halftime lead at #11 Arkansas.
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Notre Dame is set to get back Marcus Hammond from a knee injury.
The Senior averaged nearly 18.1 ppg last season for Niagra.
The Irish will get him back just in time to face Marquette.
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Notre Dame is set to get back Marcus Hammond from a knee injury.
The Senior averaged nearly 18.1 ppg last season for Niagra.
The Irish will get him back just in time to face Marquette.
I know Calvin Murphy lit it up at Niagara but I'm not worried about this dude.
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In this crazy, ever-changing world of ours, it’s nice to be able to count on Northwestern sucking at basketball.
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In this crazy, ever-changing world of ours, it’s nice to be able to count on Northwestern sucking at basketball.
After a decade of Collins, it’s probably time to move on.
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In this crazy, ever-changing world of ours, it’s nice to be able to count on Northwestern sucking at basketball.
Greg Elliott with 18 points!
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Greg Elliott with 18 points!
Yeah, Northwestern was a 9.5-point favorite at home and managed to both lose by 8,000 points and make Elliott look like Steph Curry.
I know Calvin Murphy lit it up at Niagara but I'm not worried about this dude.
My brother played against Calvin Murphy in high school. Suprise: It didn't go well for my brother or his team.
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It's probably 85/15 Marquette. Maybe more, but they definitely make their presence felt, and it seems like there's a few red shirts in every section.
Listened to the Scrambled Eggs Pod this morning and they said it'll be a 50/50 split.
Should be interesting to see how this young team handles the "rivalry". The players treat it as one because the crowds do, but really with basically no one on our roster being from Wisconsin I'm sure most of them look at it as just another game.
Hopefully the home crowd is large.
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Listened to the Scrambled Eggs Pod this morning and they said it'll be a 50/50 split.
Should be interesting to see how this young team handles the "rivalry". The players treat it as one because the crowds do, but really with basically no one on our roster being from Wisconsin I'm sure most of them look at it as just another game.
Hopefully the home crowd is large.
Lol what? You should probably stop listening to that podcast if they legitimately think it'll be a 50/50 split between Wisconsin and Marquette fans.
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Lol what? You should probably stop listening to that podcast if they legitimately think it'll be a 50/50 split between Wisconsin and Marquette fans.
That's what was said. Maybe it was more of a general statement just to show that there will be a significantly heavier road presence than usual, I'm not sure.
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Listened to the Scrambled Eggs Pod this morning and they said it'll be a 50/50 split.
Should be interesting to see how this young team handles the "rivalry". The players treat it as one because the crowds do, but really with basically no one on our roster being from Wisconsin I'm sure most of them look at it as just another game.
Hopefully the home crowd is large.
It's never been a 50/50 split in Milwaukee. I have no idea why they think it will be this Saturday.
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It's never been a 50/50 split in Milwaukee. I have no idea why they think it will be this Saturday.
Right. Obviously many rodents, but not nearly 50%.
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It's never been a 50/50 split in Milwaukee. I have no idea why they think it will be this Saturday.
I assume they generalized.
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MOPES
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Listened to the Scrambled Eggs Pod this morning and they said it'll be a 50/50 split.
Should be interesting to see how this young team handles the "rivalry". The players treat it as one because the crowds do, but really with basically no one on our roster being from Wisconsin I'm sure most of them look at it as just another game.
Hopefully the home crowd is large.
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That's what was said. Maybe it was more of a general statement just to show that there will be a significantly heavier road presence than usual, I'm not sure.
85% friendly. Never forget, BETTER DEAD, THAN RED
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85% friendly. Never forget, BETTER DEAD, THAN RED
It all depends on MU giving our fans enough to cheer about. That 15% can make a lot of noise if the game is going their way.
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It all depends on MU giving our fans enough to cheer about. That 15% can make a lot of noise if the game is going their way.
They'll be stuck in the concession lines trying to figure out the Bucks ordering app.
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Talk about pretzels. Are you intentionally being dumb or what? The bet is 35%. Always has been. Always has been the winner donates to charity. It's TOTALLY FINE if you don't want to take that bet, but that's the bet I'm offering!
First you claim I didn't want to make the bet because Kolek got hot and is up to 40% from 3, even though I'd be losing my $1K no matter what the result of the bet is. Now you're claiming I'm changing the bet to 40% from 3, which has never been stated.
The bet is money to a charity of the winner's choosing (and I'll match your money if I win!) if Kolek shoots above 35% from 3. That's been the bet the entire time! Whether it was made when Kolek was shooting 26% or 40%. Doesn't matter to me!
Quit talking about weasling out of a bet. I've been consistent the entire time. You're the one who won't make the bet. Which is totally fine! But quit talking about me having no interest in actually making the bet. It's been up to you to say yes the entire time. You refuse to. Which, for the third time, is fine! Doesn't even make you a coward! What does is continually claiming someone else doesn't want to make the bet, when the bet has been the same the entire way and you don't want to take it.
I'll be done there. I've taken up enough of this board's space. You can say yes or no. Or you can continue to wiggle your way around having to actually say no. But I'll give you until the ball tips against Baylor to say yes. If so, great! If not, I'm done talking about it.
Okay - Just to clarify the terms of the bet:
Kolek shoots under 35% - You donate $2k to charity, of which $1k is made by me.
Kolek shoost over 35% - You donate $1k to charity
I'm agreeable to the above, but whoever loses the bet must furnish formal proof that their $1k (or potentially $2k contribution in your case) was made via the tax receipt and/or screenshot of bank or credit card statement showing the named charity and transaction amount.
My charity of choice is Big Brothers Big Sisters.
So. Deal?
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Lunardi has us in the NEXT FOUR OUT.
Marquette Basketball is so back.
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Okay - Just to clarify the terms of the bet:
Kolek shoots under 35% - You donate $2k to charity, of which $1k is made by me.
Kolek shoost over 35% - You donate $1k to charity
I'm agreeable to the above, but whoever loses the bet must furnish formal proof that their $1k (or potentially $2k contribution in your case) was made via the tax receipt and/or screenshot of bank or credit card statement showing the named charity and transaction amount.
My charity of choice is Big Brothers Big Sisters.
So. Deal?
Done. I think mine will be to the JLH Fund or something that benefits black owned businesses.
For MU’s purposes, I hope I’m paying $1K to Big Brothers and Big Sisters.
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Done. I think mine will be to the JLH Fund or something that benefits black owned businesses.
For MU’s purposes, I hope I’m paying $1K to Big Brothers and Big Sisters.
Sounds good. End of the day gambling for charity is a win - but, I really wanted to potentially be able to enjoy some good food and drink at your expense. Jackass. 8-)
Gotta tip my cap to you though for being willing to "lose" either way.
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What if Kolek goes 35-for-100 on the season -- 35% on the nose?
Maybe in that case, Scoop mods should get all the thousands!
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That wasn't even close to a foul by Virginia. Juwan Howard is a clown.
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Listened to the Scrambled Eggs Pod this morning and they said it'll be a 50/50 split.
I love Phil and Joe, but it won't be close to 50/50. That said, 15% is enough to get loud when the visitor is doing well and the 85% is quiet, so we need to be up and amped to drown them out.
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I love Phil and Joe, but it won't be close to 50/50. That said, 15% is enough to get loud when the visitor is doing well and the 85% is quiet, so we need to be up and amped to drown them out.
Works for me!
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Purdue leads 1-7 Florida State by 2 at halftime.
Road games...
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Purdue leads 1-7 Florida State by 2 at halftime.
Road games...
Unless you're Wake Forest.
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Notre Lame up 26-11 vs Mich St.
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Michigan State started the year with a smaller roster and had two starters injured.
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ND sucks!
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Michigan State started the year with a smaller roster and had two starters injured.
But they're down 39-15. Wow....just wow.
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Michigan State looks horrible.
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ND doing to Hauser State what we did to Baylor.
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Keep in mind Radford pissed away a win at Notre Dame.
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Never mind. ND already starting to piss it away. Unlike our game, ND was relying on one guy to build its lead.
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Never mind. ND already starting to piss it away. Unlike our game, ND was relying on one guy to build its lead.
50/50 they blow an 18pt halftime lead?
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Izzo is so concerned about his team being exhausted that he still has all his starters in with about a minute to go in a 20-point game.
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ND wallops MSU at the Joyce Center.
For those keeping score Marquette will head there the Sunday after next.
Interesting, and not inspiring tidbit time-
MUs two losses came against KenPom tempo teams ranked 312 and 337
Wisconsins tempo ranking is 308
Notre Dames is 341
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ND wallops MSU at the Joyce Center.
For those keeping score Marquette will head there the Sunday after next.
Interesting, and not inspiring tidbit time-
MUs two losses came against KenPom tempo teams ranked 312 and 337
Wisconsins tempo ranking is 308
Notre Dames is 341
Growth. That's the motto. Let's see if they grow.
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Growth. That's the motto. Let's see if they grow.
Growth isn’t linear. They will grow with a win or a loss.
We are all more interested in the former, however.
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ND wallops MSU at the Joyce Center.
For those keeping score Marquette will head there the Sunday after next.
Interesting, and not inspiring tidbit time-
MUs two losses came against KenPom tempo teams ranked 312 and 337
Wisconsins tempo ranking is 308
Notre Dames is 341
My level of hatred for both of these opponents is exceedingly high Dr. V. We need to drop the hammer.
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Growth isn’t linear. They will grow with a win or a loss.
We are all more interested in the former, however.
How have they grown from the previous 2 losses to slow paced, high quality opponents? That's the question we are looking to have answered.
On a side note in CBB, UNC just lost their 3rd game. They had 5 assists tonight against Indiana. Meanwhile Yuri Collins had 20 assists himself tonight for SLU.
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My level of hatred for both of these opponents is exceedingly high Dr. V. We need to drop the hammer.
Let’s drop the guillotine on their boring ass snail like pace and I like our chances
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But soft serve did have 12 pts
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Zona down 17 to Utah.
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The Maui hangover is a college basketball gambler’s best friend, Creighton is the only team to cover in their first game back from Maui (Texas was -7 tonight). Back from Maui, week off, first true road game + altitude and Utah was getting 7.
What a world.
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The Maui hangover is a college basketball gambler’s best friend, Creighton is the only team to cover in their first game back from Maui (Texas was -7 tonight). Back from Maui, week off, first true road game + altitude and Utah was getting 7.
What a world.
Next time notify us before the tip!
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Hunter still playing really well for Texas
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Dexter with a game winner.
https://twitter.com/NCAABuzzerBters/status/1598545094277181440?t=q50fSHL6emBrezn9suwY0Q&s=19
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Dexter with a game winner.
https://twitter.com/NCAABuzzerBters/status/1598545094277181440?t=q50fSHL6emBrezn9suwY0Q&s=19
Nice take and finish, but it looked like a phantom foul.
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The Maui hangover is a college basketball gambler’s best friend, Creighton is the only team to cover in their first game back from Maui (Texas was -7 tonight). Back from Maui, week off, first true road game + altitude and Utah was getting 7.
What a world.
Utah is coached by Craig Smith, who was mentioned both here and in media circles as a potential Wojo replacement. Safe to say that dude can coach.
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Utah is coached by Craig Smith, who was mentioned both here and in media circles as a potential Wojo replacement. Safe to say that dude can coach.
He was my choice before Shaka emerged. He seems like the real deal.
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As an aside, if we made the tourney as a 7/8/9 seed, I'd love to see Arizona waiting in a round of 32 game for MU. Their turnover rate is going to do them in against a team (like MU) in March.
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Is there no way to watch Baylor/Gonzaga other than Peacock?? WTH? I was hoping to catch the 2nd half.
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Baylor came out with a fire. They were up 19-7 with the ball.
Sloppy TO gives Zags and easy bucket and now its a 10-0 zags run and Baylor turning it over every possession like against us.
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Baylor up 5 at the half.
Two very talented teams but both are really trying to figure out how to play consistent like BU and GU teams of the last few years.
Super sloppy both teams for long stretches.
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Baylors rebounding and turnovers are just atrocious.
ANy time they have a chance to expand the lead a bit they ahve a awful TO and then follow it up not getting a D rebound on other end.
46-46 they can still get it.
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Good defense for both teams or bad offense?
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Good defense for both teams or bad offense?
Baylors D has been much better. They just cant rebound for sh it.
And Baylors offense has been horrendous. So sloppy. Thamba has missed 2 dunks stuffed on rim. Lotta of unforced TOs
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Baylors D has been much better. They just cant rebound for sh it.
And Baylors offense has been horrendous. So sloppy. Thamba has missed 2 dunks stuffed on rim. Lotta of unforced TOs
Ughh. Thx for the update.
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Flagler with a putrid game.
Baylor guards literally dont know how to dribble.
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Flagler with a putrid game.
Baylor guards literally dont know how to dribble.
Flagler steps up with some big shots when it matters.
Baylor up 1 with 6 seconds left and the ball. Zags choking bad
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Baylor won??? Wow.
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Those final TOs by both teams summed up the game.
But huge D by George to win it
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BU closes game on an 8-0 and wins by 1. Caught huge break when Timme fouled out for no apparent reason. Baylor fan the rest of the way
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That result definitely helps MU. Keep in mind we dropped 96 (and it should have been 102) against those guys.
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Refresh my memory....weren't we up 7 fairly late in the 2nd half at Mackey? I'm not saying we should have won that game but the Miss St. loss sucked. Hopefully it was just a dud performance that we can throw away. Teams generally have two dud performances per season.
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Refresh my memory....weren't we up 7 fairly late in the 2nd half at Mackey? I'm not saying we should have won that game but the Miss St. loss sucked. Hopefully it was just a dud performance that we can throw away. Teams generally have two dud performances per season.
I don't think either of those were dud performances. Purdue looks like a top 10 team and Mississippi State looks like a top 15 defense. Had a shot against both.
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Refresh my memory....weren't we up 7 fairly late in the 2nd half at Mackey? I'm not saying we should have won that game but the Miss St. loss sucked. Hopefully it was just a dud performance that we can throw away. Teams generally have two dud performances per season.
60-54 with a little over 8 minutes left. That's when the two missed threes/Purdue made three sequence turned the game on its head.
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I don't think either of those were dud performances. Purdue looks like a top 10 team and Mississippi State looks like a top 15 defense. Had a shot against both.
I don't designate the Purdue game as a dud game but I thought we let one get away vs Miss St.
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Cuse beats ND by 1 in South Bend.
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I don't see a dominant team this season.
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It's that time of year...
Per Rothstein
"Source: Bryant will be without six players for today's game at Cincinnati due to an undisclosed illness."
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UNC lost again.
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Purdue is destroying Minny. That team is extremely dangerous, perhaps the best team in the country.
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Purdue is destroying Minny. That team is extremely dangerous, perhaps the best team in the country.
Dawson and Co. getting abused up front.
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Dawson and Co. getting abused up front.
Purdue is going to be tough to beat if their perimeter guys hit threes. Edey is enormous and can't really be stopped one on one.
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Dawson and Co. getting abused up front.
Mocha soft serve.
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Mocha soft serve.
Nope he is a café con leche
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Edey with 31 and 22.
Garcia: 6pts, 5 fouls.
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Billy told me Edey sucks at basketball and that his style is trash.
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Billy told me Edey sucks at basketball and that his style is trash.
Trash is cool, I love the Ramones & The Clash
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Northwestern wins at Michigan State.
The Spartans join UNC as ranked teams that end the week at (5-4).
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Northwestern wins at Michigan State.
The Spartans join UNC as ranked teams that end the week at (5-4).
Poor Izzo.
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Poor Izzo.
Izzo lover
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Izzo lover
LOL. :)
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Is it time for an epistolary response from Joseph to Coach Izzo?
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Is it time for an epistolary response from Joseph to Coach Izzo?
Izzo to Netflix
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Izzo to Netflix
How will he compete with Megan and Harry?
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How will he compete with Megan and Harry?
He has his ways....
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Izzo to Netflix
Izzo to Disney+, in the new Willow series.
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Northwestern wins at Michigan State.
The Spartans join UNC as ranked teams that end the week at (5-4).
NDs best win is over MSU who is not good. MU needs to pound ND this weekend.
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CTC 2 MSU
What’s going on w the Bryant team?? One dude is in ICU??
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CTC 2 MSU
What’s going on w the Bryant team?? One dude is in ICU??
They aren't saying. Just that the team is dealing with illness and their game Tuesday is postponed, but they just played last night. Weird situation.
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They aren't saying. Just that the team is dealing with illness and their game Tuesday is postponed, but they just played last night. Weird situation.
Maybe Boeheim poisoned them??
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The news coming out on NMSU is wild. I’m not sure that coaching staff should be coaching tonight, let alone the three guys named in the report are on the bench tonight as well.
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Kent State lead Gonzaga 66 to 62 with 3:38 left.
Gonzaga now leads 71-66 with 1:52 left.
Impressive collapse.
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Kent State lead Gonzaga 66 to 62 with 3:38 left.
Gonzaga now leads 71-66 with 1:52 left.
Impressive collapse.
not that MU hasn’t had a few, themselves. MU-UNC ‘86 still stings.
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Wisconsin is going to blow the doors off Kevin Willard and undefeated #13 Maryland.
Illinois looking like they could close out undefeated #2 Texas.
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Really surprised Illinois is on the verge of a W.
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Grab those rebounds! Too nonchalant.
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Really surprised Illinois is on the verge of a W.
They look strong early in the year. Questionable loss to Maryland but it was on the road. They have so much versatility.
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Wisconsin is going to blow the doors off Kevin Willard and undefeated #13 Maryland.
Illinois looking like they could close out undefeated #2 Texas.
This may have been posted prematurely.
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This may have been posted prematurely.
I just got a CBS Sports update on both and assumed they were both ending. I see UW/MD is still 1st half. My B.
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One game that was a blowout.
Iona destroyed St. Louis in an upset. I assume St. Louis was/is a mid major that is holding out hope for an at Large bid should they not take care of business in their League Tournament. That loss could diminish their odds of that.
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I don't know how to process rooting for Kevin Willard's team.
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I don't know how to process rooting for Kevin Willard's team.
I heard that game was a boatrace. Doesn't seem you need to root for anyone, the outcome is a foregone conclusion.
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I heard that game was a boatrace. Doesn't seem you need to root for anyone, the outcome is a foregone conclusion.
It's tied.
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I don't know how to process rooting for Kevin Willard's team.
I'm having trouble processing that he might have a really good team this year.
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It's tied.
Couldn't be.
Wisconsin is going to blow the doors off Kevin Willard and undefeated #13 Maryland.
Illinois looking like they could close out undefeated #2 Texas.
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Couldn't be.
Oh...apparently he was mistaken.
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Awful call on the zebras against the 🐢 🐢. Big swing.
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Just took a look at Purdue's schedule. They finish the season with
(H)Indiana
(A)Wisconsin
(H)Illinois
Those are probably the 4 best teams in the B1G. Going to be one interesting race in that conference and a crazy end of the year for the Boilermakers.
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Just took a look at Purdue's schedule. They finish the season with
(H)Indiana
(A)Wisconsin
(H)Illinois
Those are probably the 4 best teams in the B1G. Going to be one interesting race in that conference and a crazy end of the year for the Boilermakers.
Maryland, Rutgers, Ohio State and Iowa are all better then Wisconsin.
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Wisconsin and Georgia Tech nice wins today should help the metrics, even though a closer than expected victory for MU won’t.
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Maryland, Rutgers, Ohio State and Iowa are all better then Wisconsin.
You think so? They just beat Maryland tonight. Regardless still a tough close for Purdue who actually has Ohio State before Indiana in that stretch.
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Duke is smacking Iowa.
Love watching McCaffery lose.
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You think so? They just beat Maryland tonight.
Glad you think that Marquette is a better team than Baylor.
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"Arkansas forward Trevon Brazile will miss the remainder of the season after injuring his right knee, per release. Significant SEC news."
"Michigan's Jaelin Llewellyn will miss the remainder of the 2022-23 season after suffering an ACL injury to his left knee, per release. Significant Big Ten news."
Massive College Hoops News. Ouch.
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Caught the end of the SIUE - Bradley game last night. Brian Barone vs. Brian Wardle in a battle of the Deane-Crean tree.
Bradley won by 2 - SIUE almost pulled off an insane behind-the-back desperation buzzer beater to tie it at the end, but a slight tip on the inbounds pass started the clock and it was waived off.
Barone appears to be a hot-head on the sidelines (which I recall from playing pick-up with him back in the day), but the two coaches shared a respectful embrace at the end, which was nice.
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20 points (6 3"s) for Greg Elliott in a 75-74 Pitt loss to Vandy.
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Good for Greg. Is that an over 40 league?
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20 points (6 3"s) for Greg Elliott in a 75-74 Pitt loss to Vandy.
Greg's having a decent year so far, particularly as of late. He's seeing a lot of time on the floor, but sadly I think it'll be another disappointing year for Pitt (which I'm assuming will be Capel's last).
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Consecutive Tweets from Jon Rothstein
1.) "Earlier today, one CBB bettor on @FanDuel placed a $100,000 parlay on:
Ohio State (Moneyline)
Iowa (Moneyline)
Colorado State (+9.5)
Potential payout of $287,010.42
This is ONLY December.
Via @FDSportsbook."
2.) "Iowa's Kris Murray (lower body) is OUT for tonight's game against Iowa State, per a school spokesman."
OUCH! Lol.
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Consecutive Tweets from Jon Rothstein
1.) "Earlier today, one CBB bettor on @FanDuel placed a $100,000 parlay on:
Ohio State (Moneyline)
Iowa (Moneyline)
Colorado State (+9.5)
Potential payout of $287,010.42
This is ONLY December.
Via @FDSportsbook."
2.) "Iowa's Kris Murray (lower body) is OUT for tonight's game against Iowa State, per a school spokesman."
OUCH! Lol.
I see Iowa is up 20-2.
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Consecutive Tweets from Jon Rothstein
1.) "Earlier today, one CBB bettor on @FanDuel placed a $100,000 parlay on:
Ohio State (Moneyline)
Iowa (Moneyline)
Colorado State (+9.5)
Potential payout of $287,010.42
This is ONLY December.
Via @FDSportsbook."
2.) "Iowa's Kris Murray (lower body) is OUT for tonight's game against Iowa State, per a school spokesman."
OUCH! Lol.
Is that a win on the "moneyline" bet for this guy?
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Consecutive Tweets from Jon Rothstein
1.) "Earlier today, one CBB bettor on @FanDuel placed a $100,000 parlay on:
Ohio State (Moneyline)
Iowa (Moneyline)
Colorado State (+9.5)
Potential payout of $287,010.42
This is ONLY December.
Via @FDSportsbook."
2.) "Iowa's Kris Murray (lower body) is OUT for tonight's game against Iowa State, per a school spokesman."
OUCH! Lol.
Ohio State wins at the buzzer. Rutgers botched the foul up 3 strategy. Fouled too early and OSU made ft to cut it to 1. Rutgers split their free throws and Buckeyes hit a 3 at the buzzer.
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Ohio State wins at the buzzer. Rutgers botched the foul up 3 strategy. Fouled too early and OSU made ft to cut it to 1. Rutgers split their free throws and Buckeyes hit a 3 at the buzzer.
Wow...the guy who bet 100k must have a horseshoe up his ass...he'd looking good to win that 3 team parlay with Iowa trouncing Iowa State and Colorado vs CSU tied at 28 at present.
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Ohio State wins at the buzzer. Rutgers botched the foul up 3 strategy. Fouled too early and OSU made ft to cut it to 1. Rutgers split their free throws and Buckeyes hit a 3 at the buzzer.
He must have had insider info.
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Colorado State down by 25. :o
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Wow...the guy who bet 100k must have a horseshoe up his ass...he'd looking good to win that 3 team parlay with Iowa trouncing Iowa State and Colorado vs CSU tied at 28 at present.
Colorado St losing by 30ish.
Dreams dashed
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This is a good Zags team, but not a great Zags team. Far less dynamic, don’t get up the floor as much. Not nearly as enjoyable to watch as a casual observer
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Vandy lost at home to frequent MU cupcake Grambling State. They are better than usually are but still never good to lose to a SWAC team at home.
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louisville is just impossibly bad
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louisville is just impossibly bad
Who would have predicted going into this game UL/FSU combined record would be 1-17?
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Big test for Houston today
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Big test for Houston today
They’ll pass it.
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They’ll pass it.
Agree, Bama is a hot mess. Jahvon Quinerly hasn't really played well.
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Purdue going to OT against Nebraska.
Nebraska looking to beat Creighton and Purdue in consecutive weeks.
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Total dud game by Purdue. But they may hold on.
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Unconscionable call in the Purdue game. Huskers fans should be inordinately upset. You cannot make that call.
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Big test for Houston today
ahem
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ahem
Definitely got that one wrong. Never mind!
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Definitely got that one wrong. Never mind!
That's why they call me the broken clock
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I stated several weeks ago they're isn't a dominant team. MU has every opportunity to have a solid season and be a threat in the NCAA tournament. UCONN and Purdue appear to be the two best teams to this point but no one scares me at all. I forgot about Texas. Anyway, no one is dominant.
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Indiana has a guard named Tamar 'Scoop' Bates.
Scoop Bates.
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Indiana has a guard named Tamar 'Scoop' Bates.
Scoop Bates.
He committed to Shaka at Texas.
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If he had followed Shaka to MU....
We would have had to have a fundraiser for his NIL.
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Brad Underwood RIPPED his team a new one after the loss to Penn State.
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Hansel Emmanuel with his 1st college points and this dunk later on in the game. Playing with one arm and succeeding at the D1 level is quite incredible.
https://twitter.com/SportsCenter/status/1601742675878846464?t=MesDiBQDkxHKOFj-0CvWng&s=19
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Hansel Emmanuel with his 1st college points and this dunk later on in the game. Playing with one arm and succeeding at the D1 level is quite incredible.
https://twitter.com/SportsCenter/status/1601742675878846464?t=MesDiBQDkxHKOFj-0CvWng&s=19
That was AWESOME!!
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Hansel Emmanuel with his 1st college points and this dunk later on in the game. Playing with one arm and succeeding at the D1 level is quite incredible.
https://twitter.com/SportsCenter/status/1601742675878846464?t=MesDiBQDkxHKOFj-0CvWng&s=19
Hot damn. Good for that kid.
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"As a senior, Hansel averaged 25.9 points, 11 rebounds, 6.9 assists and 3.4 blocks per game while helping his team win a Central Florida Christian Academy state title."
Jiminey Christmas!
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"As a senior, Hansel averaged 25.9 points, 11 rebounds, 6.9 assists and 3.4 blocks per game while helping his team win a Central Florida Christian Academy state title."
Jiminey Christmas!
Looks like Gretel got burned there, though, on the block out. If only Chris Grimm was there to protect the rim.
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Looks like Gretel got burned there, though, on the block out. If only Chris Grimm was there to protect the rim.
(https://media.giphy.com/media/tBb19eUNiEjBsYeZPhu/giphy.gif?cid=ecf05e47bqj5ok591ic29mnd016wvln7mh0jrnqzkl36zwx4&rid=giphy.gif&ct=g)
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That was AWESOME!!
Obligatory make him go left post
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Obligatory make him go left post
Pretty lame attempt at humor.
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Pretty lame attempt at humor.
Or a sound defensive strategy
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Hansel Emmanuel with his 1st college points and this dunk later on in the game. Playing with one arm and succeeding at the D1 level is quite incredible.
https://twitter.com/SportsCenter/status/1601742675878846464?t=MesDiBQDkxHKOFj-0CvWng&s=19
Truly amazing. And he has great ups.
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I know its been touched on before here, but is it possible Louisville goes winless this season? I can't believe that is even a serious question. As bad as DePaul has been, they were never as bad as Louisville is now. Crazy.
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I know its been touched on before here, but is it possible Louisville goes winless this season? I can't believe that is even a serious question. As bad as DePaul has been, they were never as bad as Louisville is now. Crazy.
They'll beat Florida A&M this week. They also have Western Kentucky and Lipscomb coming up.
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I know its been touched on before here, but is it possible Louisville goes winless this season? I can't believe that is even a serious question. As bad as DePaul has been, they were never as bad as Louisville is now. Crazy.
Louisville is very bad. They lost 3 one possession games in a row to start the season to bad teams, and then it snowballed. They should finally get a win this week against Florida A&M like Sultan said.
Their team only has one guard on the roster and he isn't really a point guard. So they end up turning over the ball a quarter of their possessions.
I am surprised they haven't changed their play style. Just to get shots up and chase boards on offense.
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Louisville is very bad. They lost 3 one possession games in a row to start the season to bad teams, and then it snowballed. They should finally get a win this week against Florida A&M like Sultan said.
Their team only has one guard on the roster and he isn't really a point guard. So they end up turning over the ball a quarter of their possessions.
I am surprised they haven't changed their play style. Just to get shots up and chase boards on offense.
So, Louisville is basically Marquette vs Western Michigan bad every game.
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They'll beat Florida A&M this week. They also have Western Kentucky and Lipscomb coming up.
WKU and Lipscomb favored vs UoL.
One win season?
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Is Iowa missing two starters?
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Is Iowa missing two starters?
I wouldn't say they're missing them, Bob.
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Iowa looks pretty bad without Murray tonight. Unlike their game early in the week against Iowa State.
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Iowa looks pretty bad without Murray tonight. Unlike their game early in the week against Iowa State.
Offensively that is.
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Iowa didn't take advantage when Wisky couldn't hit a shot.
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I know we're supposed to be rooting for Wisconsin. But I just can't do it. GO HAWKS.
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I know we're supposed to be rooting for Wisconsin. But I just can't do it. GO HAWKS.
Ya....rooting for them isn't happening.
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McCaffery has lost his mind.
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McCaffery has lost his mind.
Can't stand that guy. Watching Iowa lose is enjoyable, wish it wasn't the red team.
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Connor Essegian is really good man. His KenPom Comp is Kam from last year.
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Can't stand that guy. Watching Iowa lose is enjoyable, wish it wasn't the red team.
That waa an awful tech and he probably should have gotten two.
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Wisconsin is just about guaranteed to be 12-2 if they hold on here.
Lehigh
Grambling
Western Michigan
Minnesota
in their next 4. Should be a NET helper for MU.
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Mississippi State @ Minnesota on B10 Network following Go Bulldogs.
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Wisconsin is just about guaranteed to be 12-2 if they hold on here.
Lehigh
Grambling
Western Michigan
Minnesota
in their next 4. Should be a NET helper for MU.
*if they hold on here is the key. As UW just choked.
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Wow.
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Wow.
Muggsy, you are right. Just saw Fran replay on Twitter. He should have been tossed. Also his team would probably have a lead had he not done that.
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Two terrible teams? No longer lol
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Connor Essegian is really good man. His KenPom Comp is Kam from last year.
I jinxed him ;D
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Muggsy, you are right. Just saw Fran replay on Twitter. He should have been tossed. Also his team would probably have a lead had he not done that.
100% total boneheaded reaction by McCaffery.
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Still a bad loss to Wisconsin
Wisconsin is just about guaranteed to be 12-2 if they hold on here.
Lehigh
Grambling
Western Michigan
Minnesota
in their next 4. Should be a NET helper for MU.
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Still a bad loss to Wisconsin
A brutal game to lose, idk about a bad loss. UW could win the B1G.
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Brutal defensive breakdowns for Iowa. Crazy stuff.
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Wisconsin is just about guaranteed to be 12-2 if they hold on here.
Lehigh
Grambling
Western Michigan
Minnesota
in their next 4. Should be a NET helper for MU.
Playing and beating that array of Losers shouldn't do much to help Becky, I wouldn't think. Their respective NET rankings are:
#106 Grambling.
#241 Minnesota
#318 Leheigh
#346 Western Michigan
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Zero chance at winning the B10-12-14-16
A brutal game to lose, idk about a bad loss. UW could win the B1G.
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Zero chance at winning the B10-12-14-16
Not so sure.
Purdue and UW are the only 2 teams at 2-0 so far.
Illinois dug themselves an early hole with the 0-2 start. Rutgers (who just lost to Seton Hall at home) beat Indiana by 15. UW and Purdue only play once and it is in March I believe.
Go Purdue!
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Watching Mississippi State against Minnesota and they just look so beatable. Missed opportunity for us, but maybe we'll get a rematch in March.
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Mississippi State is going to find their rhythm and pull away.
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We should have one loss. Oh....well.
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Maryland, Rutgers, Ohio State and Iowa are all better then Wisconsin.
And yet the Badgers are 2-0 against those teams already. Looks like another top 4 finish, if not another conference title for UW.
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Iowa lost at home today with Wisky shooting 1-16 from three through about 30 mins. That's on them and McCaffery losing his freaking mind over a nothing play.
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Seton Hall won a 45-43 thriller over Rutgers.
Rutgers might be 2-0 in the B10 if they hadn’t fouled up by 3 with 7 seconds left against OSU.
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Seton Hall won a 45-43 thriller over Rutgers.
Rutgers might be 2-0 in the B10 if they hadn’t fouled up by 3 with 7 seconds left against OSU.
How are you doing Blue?
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How are you doing Blue?
Blue, blue!!!
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We should have one loss. Oh....well.
well if like 4 or 5 plays went a different way...
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well if like 4 or 5 plays went a different way...
We have to figure out how to win close games. We lost our composure.
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We have to figure out how to win close games. We lost our composure.
Three freshmen, three sophomores, three juniors. Respect the process.
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We have to figure out how to win close games. We lost our composure.
We suck
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Minnesota/Mississippi State announcers just said that MU's 55 points is the most that MSU has given up in a game this season.
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Watching Mississippi State against Minnesota and they just look so beatable. Missed opportunity for us, but maybe we'll get a rematch in March.
They play unreal defense and are now up 14 early in the second half, in their first true road game.
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How are you doing Blue?
Good, it’s just taking me some time to get focused on the college basketball season. It’s been awhile since college football has required any of my attention this late in the year.
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We should have one loss.
We have exactly as many losses as we "should" have.
And had we won any of those three games, fans of those teams would have claimed they "should" have won.
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They play unreal defense and are now up 14 early in the second half, in their first true road game.
They are playing Minnesota.
I know their defense is great, but their offense isn't anything special and they are beatable. We probably should have beat them too. Oh well.
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We have exactly as many losses as we "should" have.
And had we won any of those three games, fans of those teams would have claimed they "should" have won.
Well, we do rank 323 in the "luck" category, so there's that. Meanwhile Miss State ranks 91st in luck and Wisconsin 183rd before there 2nd OT win in a week..
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Well, we do rank 323 in the "luck" category, so there's that. Meanwhile Miss State ranks 91st in luck and Wisconsin 183rd before there 2nd OT win in a week..
OK.
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We have exactly as many losses as we "should" have.
And had we won any of those three games, fans of those teams would have claimed they "should" have won.
I'm a fan of executing down the stretch. We just didn't get it done. But your point is well taken..
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Mississippi State is going to find their rhythm and pull away.
69-51
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https://www.on3.com/college/texas-longhorns/news/texas-basketball-coach-chris-beard-arrested-monday-morning-in-austin-tx/
"According to records from the Travis County Sheriff’s Office, Texas men’s basketball coach Chris Beard was arrested early Monday morning at 4:18 a.m. in Austin for “Assault on a family/household member.” He also apparently was preventing the victim from breathing. Beard was booked with a third degree felony."
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https://www.on3.com/college/texas-longhorns/news/texas-basketball-coach-chris-beard-arrested-monday-morning-in-austin-tx/
"According to records from the Travis County Sheriff’s Office, Texas men’s basketball coach Chris Beard was arrested early Monday morning at 4:18 a.m. in Austin for “Assault on a family/household member.” He also apparently was preventing the victim from breathing. Beard was booked with a third degree felony."
He gowne, hey?
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https://www.on3.com/college/texas-longhorns/news/texas-basketball-coach-chris-beard-arrested-monday-morning-in-austin-tx/
"According to records from the Travis County Sheriff’s Office, Texas men’s basketball coach Chris Beard was arrested early Monday morning at 4:18 a.m. in Austin for “Assault on a family/household member.” He also apparently was preventing the victim from breathing. Beard was booked with a third degree felony."
Oh.....boy.
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https://www.on3.com/college/texas-longhorns/news/texas-basketball-coach-chris-beard-arrested-monday-morning-in-austin-tx/
"According to records from the Travis County Sheriff’s Office, Texas men’s basketball coach Chris Beard was arrested early Monday morning at 4:18 a.m. in Austin for “Assault on a family/household member.” He also apparently was preventing the victim from breathing. Beard was booked with a third degree felony."
Wow. He had it rolling. The University will have a hard time justifying keeping him after this.
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Wow. He had it rolling. The University will have a hard time justifying keeping him after this.
MU targets moving forward? :)
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And yet the Badgers are 2-0 against those teams already. Looks like another top 4 finish, if not another conference title for UW.
Meh, 2 close wins, it will come back to bite them.
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Beards immediate family is all women too.
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Wow. He had it rolling. The University will have a hard time justifying keeping him after this.
Reading more about this, Beard has to be done at Texas and probably done in the sport for good. That program just can't get there. Rick Barnes was good but never good enough, Shaka wasn't the right fit, they finally get the guy with the personality, recruiting, and coaching chops and this happens.
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Shaka to Texas.
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Beards immediate family is all women too.
These creeps don’t usually pick on someone their own size.
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Bad bad situation.
Is this the big break Buzz has been waiting for?
Buzz to Texas?
He’s always had quite a bit of good fortune in his career (or created it).
He 100% takes it if offered and he’s already down the road.
I could see it
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Do we see the Buzz’s Bunch videos come out? He hasn’t been that successful at A&M, but from an off the court perspective, would probably help the image despite our views on him.
Wasn’t Royal Ivey in the running before Beard?
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If true, Beard should be fired on the spot. Unfortunately, DV cases have a tendency of being swept away and ignored. Victims often forgive and drop charges against their abusers. If that happens, my guess is Texas calls it a misunderstanding and offers him an extension.
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Bad bad situation.
Is this the big break Buzz has been waiting for?
Buzz to Texas?
He’s always had quite a bit of good fortune in his career (or created it).
He 100% takes it if offered and he’s already down the road.
I could see it
Buzz's performance at A&M isn't getting him the Texas gig.
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Holy crap!
I cannot imagine Beard is still the head coach by 5PM Today.
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https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/35237963/texas-basketball-coach-chris-beard-arrested-assault-charge
Beard was arrested by police in Austin, Texas, and has been booked on a charge of third-degree assault of a family member "impede breath circulation" or strangulation.
Austin police told ESPN they received a "disturbance hotshot" call, and officers were dispatched to the 1900 block of Vista Lane shortly after midnight Monday. The Austin Police Department's website defines a "hotshot" call as "incidents which are in progress are an immediate threat to life and/or public safety. ... These calls are dispatched immediately."
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Holy crap!
I cannot imagine Beard is still the head coach by 5PM Today.
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https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/35237963/texas-basketball-coach-chris-beard-arrested-assault-charge
Beard was arrested by police in Austin, Texas, and has been booked on a charge of third-degree assault of a family member "impede breath circulation" or strangulation.
Austin police told ESPN they received a "disturbance hotshot" call, and officers were dispatched to the 1900 block of Vista Lane shortly after midnight Monday. The Austin Police Department's website defines a "hotshot" call as "incidents which are in progress are an immediate threat to life and/or public safety. ... These calls are dispatched immediately."
I think we might need a little patience with the firing from Texas. I have to imagine there’s a lot of work being done to make sure they can fire him without any recourse.
I’m assuming they will fire him, but that might be a generous assumption.
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I think we might need a little patience with the firing from Texas. I have to imagine there’s a lot of work being done to make sure they can fire him without any recourse.
I’m assuming they will fire him, but that might be a generous assumption.
Even if UT keeps him, I think it will be extremely difficult for him to coach again this season.
If true, Beard should be fired on the spot. Unfortunately, DV cases have a tendency of being swept away and ignored. Victims often forgive and drop charges against their abusers. If that happens, my guess is Texas calls it a misunderstanding and offers him an extension.
Unless pictures come out.
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I can't wait for Beard's, or more specifically his attorney's, explanation of this "unfortunate misunderstanding".
1. Any who knows Beard, knows he's not kind of person.
2. He has done more for woman's rights than anyone in the world
3. Prescription drugs, had a bad reaction
4. He was only defending himself
5. Bad cops..... always bad cops.
6.....
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Even if UT keeps him, I think it will be extremely difficult for him to coach again this season.
For sure. I read at a minimum he wouldn’t be able to coach road games. I’m guessing he’s suspended indefinitely until the university gets their legal ducks in a row to fire him.
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He'll get put on leave, and the university will release a statement about working with law enforcement and/or seeing how the legal situation develops. Then we'll see what happens.
But when you Neil Reed a family member, and it goes public, it's tough to come back from that. As it should be.
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He'll get put on leave, and the university will release a statement about working with law enforcement and/or seeing how the legal situation develops. Then we'll see what happens.
But when you Neil Reed a family member, and it goes public, it's tough to come back from that. As it should be.
Ironically, Beard was an assistant under Knight at Texas Tech.
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Even if UT keeps him, I think it will be extremely difficult for him to coach again this season.
I'd say if he's not back coaching very soon, he's gone. Like the cops and DA apologize and the family flatly refutes the whole story and he returns to the bench 100% vindicated within days.
Texas, while crazy about sports (football), seems like a classy institution that cannot stand by him, nor should they.
I know I'm speaking for almost everyone; any harm to women is disgusting and needs to be delt with harshly.
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1900 block of Vista Lane is a very middle class neighborhood. Are we sure it was his house? his family?
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1900 block of Vista Lane is a very middle class neighborhood. Are we sure it was his house? his family?
Maybe one of his daughters was out and about when he wanted her home.
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1900 block of Vista Lane is a very middle class neighborhood. Are we sure it was his house? his family?
Could it be possible that this incident took place at a sibling or relatives house? It said "family member," which at first instinct one would think immediate family, but maybe he got in a dustup with his brother, cousin, etc.
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1900 block of Vista Lane is a very middle class neighborhood. Are we sure it was his house? his family?
A 4,200 sf house sold within the last year for $4.95 million on the 1900 block of Vista.
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Choking people apparently runs in that coaching tree.
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A 4,200 sf house sold within the last year for $4.95 million on the 1900 block of Vista.
Wow, Google maps street view showed upper middle class houses. There was one under construction. Maybe that was it.
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Wow, Google maps street view showed upper middle class houses. There was one under construction. Maybe that was it.
It's a neighborhood turning over that's within 5 minutes of campus. It's also Austin.
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Can’t a guy have rough sex in this country anymore?
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Free Trevor Bauer!!
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It's a neighborhood turning over that's within 5 minutes of campus. It's also Austin.
True, I'd pay millions not to be stuck in Austin traffic on a daily basis.
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Saw something that he went after his daughter's boyfriend?
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I can't wait for Beard's, or more specifically his attorney's, explanation of this "unfortunate misunderstanding".
1. Any who knows Beard, knows he's not kind of person.
2. He has done more for woman's rights than anyone in the world
3. Prescription drugs, had a bad reaction
4. He was only defending himself
5. Bad cops..... always bad cops.
6.....
Honestly, I wouldn't expect a statement. It will come down to whether or not the family members decides to press charges. If they do, he's probably screwed and will try to keep this as quiet as possible. If they don't, they will male a vanilla statement about their being a misunderstanding with the police and that they have a happy and strong marriage.
Edit: If it's not an immediate family member, that would change things
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Honestly, I wouldn't expect a statement. It will come down to whether or not the family members decides to press charges. If they do, he's probably screwed and will try to keep this as quiet as possible. If they don't, they will male a vanilla statement about their being a misunderstanding with the police and that they have a happy and strong marriage.
Edit: If it's not an immediate family member, that would change things
BREAKING: Prominent Austin attorney Perry Minton, representing Beard says: "Coach Beard is 100 percent innocent of these charges. He should have never been arrested. The complainant wants him released immediately and all charges dismissed. It is truly inconceivable."
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BREAKING: Prominent Austin attorney Perry Minton, representing Beard says: "Coach Beard is 100 percent innocent of these charges. He should have never been arrested. The complainant wants him released immediately and all charges dismissed. It is truly inconceivable."
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Nothing good happens after 4:17 AM
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Nothing good happens after 4:17 AM
Marquette won just yesterday at Notre Dame after 4:17 AM
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Nothing good happens after 4:17 AM
I thought he was arrested at 12:15 but booked at 4:17?
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Honestly, I wouldn't expect a statement. It will come down to whether or not the family members decides to press charges. If they do, he's probably screwed and will try to keep this as quiet as possible. If they don't, they will male a vanilla statement about their being a misunderstanding with the police and that they have a happy and strong marriage.
Edit: If it's not an immediate family member, that would change things
Not sure about Texas, but prosecutors in many (if not most) states can go ahead with charges in domestic violence cases even if the victim doesn't wish to. Whether you can successfully prosecute is another story. Depends on whether there's corroborating evidence, i.e. visible injuries, other witnesses, statements to police, etc.
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I thought he was arrested at 12:15 but booked at 4:17?
Arrested at 4:18...but hey, why don't you step on my good material.
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Arrested at 4:18...but hey, why don't you step on my good material.
Every party has a pooper……
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"Another reporter for the Statesman, Ryan Autullo, provided more critical information — that the complainant in this case is Beard’s fiance."
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Not sure about Texas, but prosecutors in many (if not most) states can go ahead with charges in domestic violence cases even if the victim doesn't wish to. Whether you can successfully prosecute is another story. Depends on whether there's corroborating evidence, i.e. visible injuries, other witnesses, statements to police, etc.
I'm aware. But since I work in DV intervention in Texas I can tell you the difference between what they can do and what they will do. The vast majority of times that a DV case has an unwilling complaint, the case is dismissed, even in cases with video evidence or multiple eye witnesses. Hell, the vast majority of DV cases with willing complainants are dismissed (though that's usually due to lack of evidence).
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BREAKING: Prominent Austin attorney Perry Minton, representing Beard says: "Coach Beard is 100 percent innocent of these charges. He should have never been arrested. The complainant wants him released immediately and all charges dismissed. It is truly inconceivable."
Right on cue. A little more aggressive of a statement than I would usually expect. I thought they would play it more as an embarrassing misunderstanding.
Since it appears that the complainant is unwilling to press charges, my guess is that the case ultimately gets dropped and Beard continue to coach.
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Right on cue. A little more aggressive of a statement than I would usually expect. I thought they would play it more as an embarrassing misunderstanding.
Since it appears that the complainant is unwilling to press charges, my guess is that the case ultimately gets dropped and Beard continue to coach.
The Wizard is on the case. When is his extension coming? After the post-season when the dust settles?
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I'm aware. But since I work in DV intervention in Texas I can tell you the difference between what they can do and what they will do. The vast majority of times that a DV case has an unwilling complaint, the case is dismissed, even in cases with video evidence or multiple eye witnesses. Hell, the vast majority of DV cases with willing complainants are dismissed (though that's usually due to lack of evidence).
Down here the law now requires Justice department to file charges if an arrest was made when it is DV even if victim doesn't want to press charges. I wonder who made the call to 911 and what is recorded.
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Down here the law now requires Justice department to file charges if an arrest was made when it is DV even if victim doesn't want to press charges. I wonder who made the call to 911 and what is recorded.
911 call?
Beard's attorney makes it sounds like the cops broke into his house and arrested him while he was sleeping. Typical cops.
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Down here the law now requires Justice department to file charges if an arrest was made when it is DV even if victim doesn't want to press charges. I wonder who made the call to 911 and what is recorded.
I'm also curious about the 911 call.
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Right on cue. A little more aggressive of a statement than I would usually expect. I thought they would play it more as an embarrassing misunderstanding.
Since it appears that the complainant is unwilling to press charges, my guess is that the case ultimately gets dropped and Beard continue to coach.
The fact that there was a "complainant" (Beard's attorney's word) makes this tough for UT, though, even if charges aren't pursued. That likely means someone in his family, perhaps the fiance herself, called the police - this wasn't just a neighbor overhearing an argument. And the cops saw/heard enough evidence of a strangulation to arrest him.
Without charges, I doubt UT fires Beard, but this will follow him and cloud every sideline outburst or player interaction from here on out.
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I'm also curious about the 911 call.
I saw a Tweet the incident occurred a number of months ago. I haven’t really seen that reported elsewhere though.
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I saw a Tweet the incident occurred a number of months ago. I haven’t really seen that reported elsewhere though.
It said it was a "hot" call so supposedly the incident is happening at the moment.
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I saw a Tweet the incident occurred a number of months ago. I haven’t really seen that reported elsewhere though.
Yeah, I don't think the police were just sitting around after midnight and decided to make a sudden arrest based on some old report.
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It said it was a "hot" call so supposedly the incident is happening at the moment.
That makes sense. Thanks!
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Yeah, I don't think the police were just sitting around after midnight and decided to make a sudden arrest based on some old report.
Saw a tweet that said the incident occurred at their home (which was listed for sale in September).
Maybe that is where the confusion is here.
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The fact that there was a "complainant" (Beard's attorney's word) makes this tough for UT, though, even if charges aren't pursued. That likely means someone in his family, perhaps the fiance herself, called the police - this wasn't just a neighbor overhearing an argument. And the cops saw/heard enough evidence of a strangulation to arrest him.
Without charges, I doubt UT fires Beard, but this will follow him and cloud every sideline outburst or player interaction from here on out.
Not trying to give you a hard time, but do you honestly think Texas would fire him if he is charged? Watch this get quickly swept under the rug. We're talking about Texas here. C'mon!
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Arrested at 4:18...but hey, why don't you step on my good material.
I will rain on your good material. 911 call was at 12:15. Booked at 4:18. So Beard's "nothing good" act was at roughly 12:15.
https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/texas-coach-chris-beard-arrested-on-felony-assault-charge-for-alleged-strangulation-of-family-member/
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Not trying to give you a hard time, but do you honestly think Texas would fire him if he is charged? Watch this get quickly swept under the rug. We're talking about Texas here. C'mon!
It can't really get swept under the rug, that ship has sailed.
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Not trying to give you a hard time, but do you honestly think Texas would fire him if he is charged? Watch this get quickly swept under the rug. We're talking about Texas here. C'mon!
If he is charged, at the very least he will be suspended with pay. And there is some stuff that still is going to come out about this. Who called 911? Why was it considered a "hot" call? What evidence was collected - including pictures.
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If he is charged, at the very least he will be suspended with pay. And there is some stuff that still is going to come out about this. Who called 911? Why was it considered a "hot" call? What evidence was collected - including pictures.
Ray Rice redux. Sounded like a really bad story - but then the video came out and it was devastating.
Same thing will happen here if/when the audio is released. It will be immediate removal if he hasn't already resigned.
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It can't really get swept under the rug, that ship has sailed.
Fair enough. It's just that the most I see-assuming he is charged and convicted-is a suspended sentence and community service. Picking up dog poop that the owners of said dogs should have done themselves sounds like something he could do. I cannot imagine UT firing him unless he does time. That was my main point.
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Fair enough. It's just that the most I see-assuming he is charged and convicted-is a suspended sentence and community service. Picking up dog poop that the owners of said dogs should have done themselves sounds like something he could do. I cannot imagine UT firing him unless he does time. That was my main point.
If he is found guilty of domestic violence he will be fired. No matter if the sentence is suspended or not.
The outcry among the students, and the media circus UT will have to go through, will not be even close to being worth the effort.
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Fair enough. It's just that the most I see-assuming he is charged and convicted-is a suspended sentence and community service. Picking up dog poop that the owners of said dogs should have done themselves sounds like something he could do. I cannot imagine UT firing him unless he does time. That was my main point.
If he is convicted, he will be fired. All universities that accept federal funding (so all but 4 of them) are bound by Title IX and VAWA. While those don't specifically spell out minimum sanctions for various forms of sexual violence, they have led to a vast majority of universities creating university polices with minimum sanctioning guidelines. I can't speak for UT-Austin, but students/employees found responsible for strangulation is an auto-expel/terminate at most universities. Failure to follow their internal policies could result in multi million dollar civil litigation. It could also result in the Department of Education getting involved and cutting off all of UT-Austin's federal funding. This has never happened but it is a stick that the DoE likes to swing around to keep universities in line.
Again, if I was a betting man, I think this case will be dropped and Beard will continue to coach in Austin. Not because there is no merit to the case (I have no idea if there is or not) but because most DV complainants end up not following through on pressing charges and most DAs will not prosecute without a willing complainant.
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If he is convicted, he will be fired. All universities that accept federal funding (so all but 4 of them) are bound by Title IX and VAWA. While those don't specifically spell out minimum sanctions for various forms of sexual violence, they have led to a vast majority of universities creating university polices with minimum sanctioning guidelines. I can't speak for UT-Austin, but students/employees found responsible for strangulation is an auto-expel/terminate at most universities. Failure to follow their internal policies could result in multi million dollar civil litigation. It could also result in the Department of Education getting involved and cutting off all of UT-Austin's federal funding. This has never happened but it is a stick that the DoE likes to swing around to keep universities in line.
Again, if I was a betting man, I think this case will be dropped and Beard will continue to coach in Austin. Not because there is no merit to the case (I have no idea if there is or not) but because most DV complainants end up not following through on pressing charges and most DAs will not prosecute without a willing complainant.
Sadly this is probably the most likely scenario.
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Confirmed to be a woman and not the boyfriend of his daughter.
I think hes done for.
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Confirmed to be a woman and not the boyfriend of his daughter.
I think hes done for.
ahem....
"Another reporter for the Statesman, Ryan Autullo, provided more critical information — that the complainant in this case is Beard’s fiance."
And to expand on that:
“NEW: I’m told the complaining witness in Chris Beard’s arrest is his fiancé,” Autullo tweeted. However, he later deleted that tweet and commented that he did so out of respect of privacy for the involved parties.
“I removed a tweet on Chris Beard that identified his relationship with the complainant in his arrest. I did this out of privacy concerns for the complainant,” he added.
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Austin PD press release:
On December 12, 2022, at approximately 12:15 a.m., the Austin Police Department (APD) received a 9-1-1 call for a disturbance in the 1900 block of Vista Lane. The caller reported the disturbance was no longer ongoing and one of the individuals had left the house. APD officers responded and located a woman who stated she had been assaulted and strangled by Christopher Michael Beard.
Beard was booked into Travis County Jail. He is charged with Assault by Strangulation/Suffocation - Family Violence, a third degree felony.
Anyone with any information is asked to contact the Austin Police Department at 512-974-TIPS. You may submit your tip anonymously through the Capital Area Crime Stoppers Program by visiting austincrimestoppers.org or by calling 512-472-8477.
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If he is found guilty of domestic violence he will be fired. No matter if the sentence is suspended or not.
The outcry among the students, and the media circus UT will have to go through, will not be even close to being worth the effort.
Let's hope so.
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Sad to say, but at UT it is easy to imagine that some booster writes a big enough check to make the complainant have a quick change of heart. And, as another poster said, without a willing complainant, the DA has nothing to prosecute.
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I'm guessing with Texas' booster capabilities, his fiancee will have hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of reasons to not press charges.
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Sad to say, but at UT it is easy to imagine that some booster writes a big enough check to make the complainant have a quick change of heart. And, as another poster said, without a willing complainant, the DA has nothing to prosecute.
Not necessarily true.
There will be statements to police, officer testimony, possible occurrence witnesses and potential physical evidence, such as photos of injuries.
We really don't know yet. But it's not out of the ordinary for a DV case to be prosecuted without a willing complainant.
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I'm guessing with Texas' booster capabilities, his fiancee will have hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of reasons to not press charges.
It's not her choice. She can refuse to cooperate, which likely will influence the decision, but it's not her call.
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I'm guessing with Texas' booster capabilities, his fiancee will have hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of reasons to not press charges.
I mean - if they intend to stay engaged - there's literally millions on the line if he were to lose his job. That may be enough of a reason.
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Not necessarily true.
There will be statements to police, officer testimony, possible occurrence witnesses and potential physical evidence, such as photos of injuries.
We really don't know yet. But it's not out of the ordinary for a DV case to be prosecuted without a willing complainant.
Makes sense. Let's hope lawdog gives us his take on this.
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Even though it can be technically prosecuted without a formal complainant, my bet is that no such prosecution ever happens.
UT and dozens of other universities will, in similar circumstances, go to great lengths to protect players, coaches, the public image, etc. This is the coach boosters shelled out a lot of money to get just two years ago, and, as far as basketball is concerned, he has delivered for them. There is no way they are going to allow something like this to derail a possible national championship.
If he wasn't winning, they would use this as an excuse to terminate him, but he is winning - a lot - and that is worth something.
I hate that it is this way, but I am also a realist.
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Even though it can be technically prosecuted without a formal complainant, my bet is that no such prosecution ever happens.
UT and dozens of other universities will, in similar circumstances, go to great lengths to protect players, coaches, the public image, etc. This is the coach boosters shelled out a lot of money to get just two years ago, and, as far as basketball is concerned, he has delivered for them. There is no way they are going to allow something like this to derail a possible national championship.
If he wasn't winning, they would use this as an excuse to terminate him, but he is winning - a lot - and that is worth something.
I hate that it is this way, but I am also a realist.
I agree with this, except 'protecting the public image'. Depending on the facts, keeping him could be a blow to the image. Schools like AZ, KU, Louisville, etc. don't care about public image so maybe UT keeps him.
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Even though it can be technically prosecuted without a formal complainant, my bet is that no such prosecution ever happens.
UT and dozens of other universities will, in similar circumstances, go to great lengths to protect players, coaches, the public image, etc. This is the coach boosters shelled out a lot of money to get just two years ago, and, as far as basketball is concerned, he has delivered for them. There is no way they are going to allow something like this to derail a possible national championship.
If he wasn't winning, they would use this as an excuse to terminate him, but he is winning - a lot - and that is worth something.
I hate that it is this way, but I am also a realist.
I may be totally wrong here, but I wonder if Beard's status actually works against him here. Prosecuting without a complaining witness is hard, and if this were some under-the-radar case involving a local nobody, the state may be happy to let it go away quietly.
But there's going to be national attention on this case, and I suspect the last thing an elected prosecutor wants is to appear he's giving a break to a domestic abuser because the person has fame and status. That may play with the UT basketball crowd, but not with women (who actually vote). The prosecutor may be better off trying the case and losing, and claiming to have fought the good fight, rather than just dropping the case.
But again, this is all just supposition. We need to know more about the evidence before making any informed guesses.
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I may be totally wrong here, but I wonder if Beard's status actually works against him here. Prosecuting without a complaining witness is hard, and if this were some under-the-radar case involving a local nobody, the state may be happy to let it go away quietly.
But there's going to be national attention on this case, and I suspect the last thing an elected prosecutor wants is to appear he's giving a break to a domestic abuser because the person has fame and status. That may play with the UT basketball crowd, but not with women (who actually vote). The prosecutor may be better off trying the case and losing, and claiming to have fought the good fight, rather than just dropping the case.
But again, this is all just supposition. We need to know more about the evidence before making any informed guesses.
And remember that while this is Texas, it is also Austin, and that makes the need for some type of prosecution more likely. I think the degree of bruising is ultimately going to be the deciding factor. If pictures of some well defined finger marks around the neck show up I think it unlikely Beard stays.
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Regardless of whether or not they prosecute the case, his job status will be determined by any evidence that is made public - legally or illegally. Again, it would be a PR nightmare if a bad 911 call or pictures of a bruised neck are made public.
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Perhaps more than one check has to be written to more than one person.
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Not necessarily true.
There will be statements to police, officer testimony, possible occurrence witnesses and potential physical evidence, such as photos of injuries.
We really don't know yet. But it's not out of the ordinary for a DV case to be prosecuted without a willing complainant.
It is very much of out the ordinary. But you are correct that it does happen in rare cases.
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It's not her choice. She can refuse to cooperate, which likely will influence the decision, but it's not her call.
It's not her call to ultimately press charges?
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It is very much of out the ordinary. But you are correct that it does happen in rare cases.
What are the Title IX implications for a school employed coach and NCAA member organization to ignore this?
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Perhaps more than one check has to be written to more than one person.
I was certainly traumatized by the whole incident. Checks may be made out to pbiflyer or cash, I am good with either.
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It is very much of out the ordinary. But you are correct that it does happen in rare cases.
It's not. I've sat through multiple DV trials in which the victim didn't cooperate. If happens often enough that there's even a name for it - evidence-based prosecution.
I haven't found any great data on this, but according to this study out of California (see Page 14) ...
"Although victim cooperation is important, it is not the only—or even the greatest, according to the ORs—consideration. In nearly 10% of cases in which there was no prosecution, the victim agreed to
prosecute on follow-up. Additionally, in 70% of cases where prosecution occurred,
the victim refused to assist with prosecution at follow-up"
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/234036293_Evidence-Based_Prosecution_of_Intimate_Partner_Violence_in_the_Post-Crawford_Era_A_Single-City_Study_of_the_Factors_Leading_to_Prosecution
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It's not her call to ultimately press charges?
No. It's never the victim's call. A victim's wishes can influence the decision, but citizens don't decide who is and isn't charged.
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It's not her call to ultimately press charges?
I think the big question is whether she has any bruising on her neck. Bruises around her neck will be big trouble for Beard. No bruising and it is he said she said, and I could see it being dropped.
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What are the Title IX implications for a school employed coach and NCAA member organization to ignore this?
I think this is really more a political than a legal question. I would guess given the current relations between Texas (the state) and D.C. that there are any number of justifications that can be found (and some would even be legitimate, if strained) for the DOJ to write a letter asking serious questions and promising a thorough investigation of every[u][/u] UT athletic program.
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I haven't found any great data on this, but according to this study out of California (see Page 14) ...
"Although victim cooperation is important, it is not the only—or even the greatest, according to the ORs—consideration. In nearly 10% of cases in which there was no prosecution, the victim agreed to
prosecute on follow-up. Additionally, in 70% of cases where prosecution occurred,
the victim refused to assist with prosecution at follow-up"
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/234036293_Evidence-Based_Prosecution_of_Intimate_Partner_Violence_in_the_Post-Crawford_Era_A_Single-City_Study_of_the_Factors_Leading_to_Prosecution
A sad statistic to be sure
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No. It's never the victim's call. A victim's wishes can influence the decision, but citizens don't decide who is and isn't charged.
Okay but if the victim isn't willing to testify would the prosecutor press charges anyway?
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Okay but if the victim isn't willing to testify would the prosecutor press charges anyway?
Depends on the evidence. Were there visible injuries photographed by police? Was there an eyewitness? A 911 recording? Did the victim make statements at the scene that could be introduced at trial via a hearsay exception?
We'll have to wait and see what comes out.
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It's not. I've sat through multiple DV trials in which the victim didn't cooperate. If happens often enough that there's even a name for it - evidence-based prosecution.
I haven't found any great data on this, but according to this study out of California ...
"Although victim cooperation is important, it is not the only—or even the greatest, according to the ORs—consideration. In nearly 10% of cases in which there was no prosecution, the victim agreed to
prosecute on follow-up. Additionally, in 70% of cases where prosecution occurred,
the victim refused to assist with prosecution at follow-up"
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/234036293_Evidence-Based_Prosecution_of_Intimate_Partner_Violence_in_the_Post-Crawford_Era_A_Single-City_Study_of_the_Factors_Leading_to_Prosecution
Pakuni, I do this for a living. I've served on an executive board for anti-DV coalition, and have been an advocate who worked directly with DV victims, meeting them at hospitals and staying with them through trial (if it made it that far). I may know a thing or two here. It is outside of the ordinary. It happens but it is rare.
Your over decade old study of DV cases from a single city in California doesn't support your assertion. If you look at the numbers they gathered, 10.2% of DV arrests were prosecuted without a willing complainant which would fall in the rare and out of the ordinary category.
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Okay but if the victim isn't willing to testify would the prosecutor press charges anyway?
Not my area, Yes. Its called evidence based prosecution. Many jurisdictions were required to prosecute if they received funding under VAWA.
There are some 6th Amendment issues, and hearsay questions in regards to 911 calls, but there is a high number of cases prosecuted without a complainant.
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What are the Title IX implications for a school employed coach and NCAA member organization to ignore this?
Without a willing complainant, none. Title IX only requires that a university offer a grievance process and that they follow it if it is engaged. If the complainant declines that grievance process, the university is no longer on the hook. The exception to this is if the university knew or should have known that the offender represented an ongoing danger to the campus community. A school wouldn't get dinged for that in a case like this.
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Pakuni, I do this for a living. I've served on an executive board for anti-DV coalition, and have been an advocate who worked directly with DV victims, meeting them at hospitals and staying with them through trial (if it made it that far). I may know a thing or two here. It is outside of the ordinary. It happens but it is rare.
Your over decade old study of DV cases from a single city in California doesn't support your assertion. If you look at the numbers they gathered, 10.2% of DV arrests were prosecuted without a willing complainant which would fall in the rare and out of the ordinary category.
Respectfully, I'm not sure why your personal experiences are more determinative here than a study of 2,600 cases or, for that matter, my personal experiences. Could you explain?
Also, could you point out where you're getting this 10.2% figure? Because it seems a complete contradiction to what I quoted, and I'm not able to find it.
Thanks
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Depends on the evidence. Were there visible injuries photographed by police? Was there an eyewitness? A 911 recording? Did the victim make statements at the scene that could be introduced at trial via a hearsay exception?
We'll have to wait and see what comes out.
Fair enough. Thx.
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Respectfully, I'm not sure why your personal experiences are more determinative here than a study of 2,600 cases or, for that matter, my personal experiences. Could you explain?
1. I never said my personal experiences were more determinative than the study. I said that the study has limitations specifically that it is over a decade old and looks at data from a single city in California which is a significantly different landscape than Texas.
2. I'm assuming mine are more determinative than yours because I work with this topic area more than 99.9% of people. If you are in the 0.1%, I apologize.
3. It's not a study of 2,600 cases, it's a study of 904 cases. You missed the part were the 2,598 cases was whittled down to 904 due to "inappropriate victim-offender relationships or substantial missing case information"
Also, could you point out where you're getting this 10.2% figure? Because it seems a complete contradiction to what I quoted, and I'm not able to find it.
Thanks
It's all in Table 2 on page 9. The study looked at 904 investigations for DV. There was prosecution in 226 cases (25%). Of those 226 cases, 133 had willing complainants (14.7% of total investigations). Which leaves 93 cases with unwilling complainants (10.2% of total investigations).
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If this is an argument about vocabulary, then I concede. If you want to say it's not out of the ordinary then go for it. It's not my definition but it seems like we agree that it is the prosecutor's decision whether or not to prosecute and that the majority of the time when there is not a willing complainant, prosecutor's will choose not to prosecute. Not necessarily because there isn't a willing a complainant but for any number of possible reasons including the lack of a willing complainant.
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It’s weird Texas hasn’t said he’s not coaching tonight. Even if he were 100% innocent, it would be weird to be coaching 4 hours after leaving jail.
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Without a willing complainant, none. Title IX only requires that a university offer a grievance process and that they follow it if it is engaged. If the complainant declines that grievance process, the university is no longer on the hook. The exception to this is if the university knew or should have known that the offender represented an ongoing danger to the campus community. A school wouldn't get dinged for that in a case like this.
A school can complete a title ix investigation without the complainants permission though? Essentially, they become the complainant?
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A school can complete a title ix investigation without the complainants permission though? Essentially, they become the complainant?
To broaden the question, would a school investigate a staff member for a potential title IX infraction, if said accusation happened off campus and the alleged victim is not a member of that school community (ie, not staff, nor student), and the complainants is not interested in cooperating?
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It’s weird Texas hasn’t said he’s not coaching tonight. Even if he were 100% innocent, it would be weird to be coaching 4 hours after leaving jail.
I’ve heard of people leading a freshmen GDL group 4 hours after being released from jail. I’ve heard. ;)
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People post immediately after getting out of scoop jail.
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1. I never said my personal experiences were more determinative than the study. I said that the study has limitations specifically that it is over a decade old and looks at data from a single city in California which is a significantly different landscape than Texas.
2. I'm assuming mine are more determinative than yours because I work with this topic area more than 99.9% of people. If you are in the 0.1%, I apologize.
3. It's not a study of 2,600 cases, it's a study of 904 cases. You missed the part were the 2,598 cases was whittled down to 904 due to "inappropriate victim-offender relationships or substantial missing case information"
It's all in Table 2 on page 9. The study looked at 904 investigations for DV. There was prosecution in 226 cases (25%). Of those 226 cases, 133 had willing complainants (14.7% of total investigations). Which leaves 93 cases with unwilling complainants (10.2% of total investigations).
1. Not sure why the age of the study matters in this case. Has something changed to make evidence-based prosecutions less (or more) likely since then? Is there some new technology at play? A change in law? Has the national perspective changed in a way to make DV prosecutions less likely today than at the time of the stidy?
If not, it seems you're using the age as a red herring.
2. Then you're using the 10.2% misleadingly. Here's what it shows ... in the 226 cases in which prosecution occurred, the victim didn't agree to the prosecution in 93 of them. That's 41% of the time. So, in 4 out of 10 cases in which a prosecutor believed there was evidence to convict, the victim's lack of cooperation wasn't an issue. That's a) hardly rare or unusual and b) strong evidence that the victim's cooperation isn't necessary to move forward with a case.
Anyhow, I think the paragraph I cited on page 14 is more relevant to this discussion, because it deals specifically with where we're at in the Beard case, i.e. the post-arrest follow up stage.
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A school can complete a title ix investigation without the complainants permission though? Essentially, they become the complainant?
Correct. However, they would only be punished for not doing this in cases where they knew or should have known that the respondent was an ongoing threat to the campus community.
To broaden the question, would a school investigate a staff member for a potential title IX infraction, if said accusation happened off campus and the alleged victim is not a member of that school community (ie, not staff, nor student), and the complainants is not interested in cooperating?
They can. Would they is another question. I think most wouldn't but Pakuni brings up a good point about how high profile this case is. Does this prompt entities to go forward no matter what to avoid the perception of sweeping something under the rug? Or do they try to avoid getting anywhere near this mess? Probably depends on who's making the call.
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1. Not sure why the age of the study matters in this case. Has something changed to make evidence-based prosecutions less (or more) likely since then? Is there some new technology at play? A change in law? Has the national perspective changed in a way to make DV prosecutions less likely today than at the time of the stidy?
If not, it seems you're using the age as a red herring.
Yes, the law has changed in the past 12 years as have other factors that could potentially impact the results. Whether that makes it more or less likely I couldn't say. Again, not saying it's useless but it is a limitation.
2. Then you're using the 10.2% misleadingly. Here's what it shows ... in the 226 cases in which prosecution occurred, the victim didn't agree to the prosecution in 93 of them. That's 41% of the time. So, in 4 out of 10 cases in which a prosecutor believed there was evidence to convict, the victim's lack of cooperation wasn't an issue. That's a) hardly rare or unusual and b) strong evidence that the victim's cooperation isn't necessary to move forward with a case.
I'm not. We don't know why those 678 cases were dismissed. All we know is that only 25% of investigations result in prosecution and less then half of those include unwilling complainants.
Anyhow, I think the paragraph I cited on page 14 is more relevant to this discussion, because it deals specifically with where we're at in the Beard case, i.e. the post-arrest follow up stage.
It's not because the 70% refers to cases in prosecution. We aren't in prosecution yet. According to this study, 75% of cases don't make it past that barrier. I'm also not certain what they mean when they say that because the raw numbers in their study don't support that statement. Also this is from a few sentences earlier in the same paragraph "The victim’s willingness to assist with prosecution at this point significantly increases the likelihood of prosecution—nearly five times. Previous research has found victim presence at complaint (Davis et al., 2003) or charging conference (Schmidt & Steury, 1989) and full cooperation with the prosecutor (Dawson & Dinovitzer, 2001) to increase the likelihood of pros-ecution." Increasing chance of prosecution by 500% seems relevant no?
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Incident report:
https://twitter.com/anwarrichardson/status/1602441327643594752?s=46&t=Cb8dnMzXyRL81qy4VfqL1A
Regardless of whether or not he’s prosecuted, I can’t see a way in which he coaches another game. The decision to terminate him is probably already made.
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TAMU ... I don't think we're going to find any middle ground here, so I'll drop it.
But maybe you'll find this interesting and/or relevant:
https://www.medlinfirm.com/blog/outlining-the-no-drop-policy-in-family-texas-assault-cases/
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Suspended and withholding pay until further notice.
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Teeth marks? This POS had better be done.
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Incident report:
https://twitter.com/anwarrichardson/status/1602441327643594752?s=46&t=Cb8dnMzXyRL81qy4VfqL1A
Regardless of whether or not he’s prosecuted, I can’t see a way in which he coaches another game. The decision to terminate him is probably already made.
Thanks. Let the others argue about this case, etc. If it does go to court, it will be at least a year anyway, let it play out.
The affidavit by charging officer is now public and the "optics" are going to be terrible for Beard and University of Texas.
Complaint confirms assault, admits it was Beard, did not tell responding officer she doesn't want to press charges and has numerous injuries as a result. Injuries documented and photographed. Waiting for the release of injury photographs by TMZ. Have no idea about "the recording" Beard stated he had, but will be a defense issue I presume.
Bottomline, Beard probably be gone, guilty or innocent by future court proceedings.
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Biting, hitting, strangling.. yeah, don’t see him coaching again for Texas
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https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/ncaabk/horrific-allegations-emerge-around-chris-beard-arrest/ar-AA15bWe3?cvid=f5a956f5c522453a864b13fa8ab79278
Just another article listing possible sentence and the fact the State of Texas taking the crime very seriously.
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Incident report:
https://twitter.com/anwarrichardson/status/1602441327643594752?s=46&t=Cb8dnMzXyRL81qy4VfqL1A
Regardless of whether or not he’s prosecuted, I can’t see a way in which he coaches another game. The decision to terminate him is probably already made.
That’s just called a Texas high five
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That’s just called a Texas high five
In Madison it's called the Wisconsin Handcuff
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Makes sense. Let's hope lawdog gives us his take on this.
Teal?
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1900 block of Vista Lane is a very middle class neighborhood. Are we sure it was his house? his family?
Looked on Zillow. Zillow estimate (Zestimate ®:) 3.6M
https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/1901-Vista-Ln-Austin-TX-78703/29333804_zpid/ (https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/1901-Vista-Ln-Austin-TX-78703/29333804_zpid/)
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I am betting at this point the agent is trying to put together a story that possibly allows for a "next" job
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This whole police report. Geeesus.
https://twitter.com/anwarrichardson/status/1602441327643594752?s=46&t=40i7JrxGSp3CYzdbkb0ocw
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This whole police report. Geeesus.
https://twitter.com/anwarrichardson/status/1602441327643594752?s=46&t=40i7JrxGSp3CYzdbkb0ocw
Uhhhh. ........holy hell.
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TAMU ... I don't think we're going to find any middle ground here, so I'll drop it.
But maybe you'll find this interesting and/or relevant:
https://www.medlinfirm.com/blog/outlining-the-no-drop-policy-in-family-texas-assault-cases/
Again this is after a prosecutor has decided to prosecute.
I'm really not sure what we disagree on other than the definition of "rare" and "not out of the ordinary" so I think middle ground has already been reached
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Right on cue. A little more aggressive of a statement than I would usually expect. I thought they would play it more as an embarrassing misunderstanding.
Since it appears that the complainant is unwilling to press charges, my guess is that the case ultimately gets dropped and Beard continue to coach.
I thought the aggressive response was odd. Looks like it just a bald faced bluff that the complainant wanted him released. Looks like the complainant is willing. He'll be suspended without pay for awhile before ultimately being fired. If the police report is accurate, he should be fired way before the criminal process is done.
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This whole police report. Geeesus.
https://twitter.com/anwarrichardson/status/1602441327643594752?s=46&t=40i7JrxGSp3CYzdbkb0ocw
Wowwie Wow Wow. He's meat.
He was suspended and obviously isn't coaching tonight. If ever again.
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I thought the aggressive response was odd. Looks like it just a bald faced bluff that the complainant wanted him released. Looks like the complainant is willing. He'll be suspended without pay for awhile before ultimately being fired. If the police report is accurate, he should be fired way before the criminal process is done.
I'll be surprised if he lasts the week.
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I'll be surprised if he lasts the week.
There's some due process stuff that usually requires at least two weeks. They being said, I've never had a case this high profile so maybe they bend some things to get this done at warp speed
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Guessing this is not the outfit Beard thought he would be wearing yesterday
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After reading this, Beard should not be concerned with coaching again ... he should be concerned about doing time!
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There's some due process stuff that usually requires at least two weeks. They being said, I've never had a case this high profile so maybe they bend some things to get this done at warp speed
My guess is UT is already drawing up the paperwork to release him with cause. Probably need to inform their governance body, etc. But he is not coaching there again, and its best to just get it done and out of the way ASAP.
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Yikes. That is really effed up.
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The school suspended Beard without pay "until further notice" and said associate head coach Rodney Terry would coach the No. 7 Longhorns against Rice on Monday night.
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/35240809/texas-suspends-coach-chris-beard-arrest-assault-charge
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There's some due process stuff that usually requires at least two weeks. They being said, I've never had a case this high profile so maybe they bend some things to get this done at warp speed
Police report is surely accurate. Taken by and written by an on scene uniform. Bottom of report states he contacted Austin PD DV Detective who authorized arrest.
University of Texas Police will contact Austin Police and obtain copies of everything, including photos. The liaison between the two departments has to be exceptional working environment. UT Police will then meet with UT President/Board/Lawyers members and provide the entire set of evidence. I say no longer than a week.
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The school suspended Beard without pay "until further notice" and said associate head coach Rodney Terry would coach the No. 7 Longhorns against Rice on Monday night.
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/35240809/texas-suspends-coach-chris-beard-arrest-assault-charge
You keep posting things that have already been posted.
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I doubt they lose.
But down 4 at half. Team probably shook.
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My guess is UT is already drawing up the paperwork to release him with cause. Probably need to inform their governance body, etc. But he is not coaching there again, and its best to just get it done and out of the way ASAP.
You're probably right. I feel like there's a way to sell "you weren't fired for a tix violation you were fired for breach of contract" to get around the due process concerns. I've seen worse arguments
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You're probably right. I feel like there's a way to sell "you weren't fired for a tix violation you were fired for breach of contract" to get around the due process concerns. I've seen worse arguments
Reddit showed in his contract being charged with a felony is grounds for firing for cause.
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I doubt they lose.
But down 4 at half. Team probably shook.
Sounds like they are choking. (Too soon?)
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You keep posting things that have already been posted.
You need to get a life beyond being MUscoop's Karen.
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You need to get a life beyond being MUscoop's Karen.
😂😂😂😂 Poor Heisey can’t bear getting called out yet again!
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Sounds like they are choking. (Too soon?)
Book 'em Horns!
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Owls are among the coolest animals on the planet.
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If they lose they should fire him on the spot for putting them in a position to even lose to Rice.
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Would Hunter fit our system? Maybe he’ll come back now that his coach is suspended
Tyrese Hunter looked real nice for Texas against Gonzaga. I'd have gone to the deep pocket NIL donors we apparently have to bring the hometown kid back home this offseason. But stars like that don't fit our culture.
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Going into OT
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Livestream for OT
https://www.youtube.com/live/74RBSB7X87s?feature=share
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Apparently they must have been really nice glasses
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😂😂😂😂 Poor Heisey can’t bear getting called out yet again!
You should report me to Rocky
(https://media.tenor.com/FfEqY2xk2pgAAAAd/can-i-speak-to-the-manager-jennifer-peterson.gif)
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Would Hunter fit our system? Maybe he’ll come back now that his coach is suspended
Does MU currently have a shortage of guards? With who is signed for next year, do you foresee one?
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So basically Beard went Hershel on her.
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So basically Beard went Hershel on her.
Beard for U.S. Senate!
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Owls are among the coolest animals on the planet.
Middle school where I'm coaching this season are the Owls. We even have a cool mascot.
Give a hoot, don't pollute ... our offense by committing turnovers!!
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Middle school where I'm coaching this season are the Owls. We even have a cool mascot.
Give a hoot, don't pollute ... our offense by committing turnovers!!
A predator who eats rodents.
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A predator who eats rodents.
Big fan of anything that takes down rodents!
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Owls are just badass in so many ways. One of their more incredible skills is their auditory prowess. They can hear voles squirming underneath the snow, take a peek at the spot pretty far away, and then fly silently before introducing the rodent to immediate darkness. They also have ridiculously good eyesight and of course can turn their heads around 270 degrees. They're just cool, really cool. :)
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Owls are just badass in so many ways. One of their more incredible skills is their auditory prowess. They can hear voles squirming underneath the snow, take a peek at the spot pretty far away, and then fly silently before introducing the rodent to immediate darkness. They also have ridiculously good eyesight and of course can turn their necks around 270 degrees. They're just cool, really cool. :)
Nothing a quality pellet gun cant take care off
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Nothing a quality pellet gun cant take care off
Why shoot them? WTH? They don't bother us.
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Why shoot them? WTH? They don't bother us.
Watch “The Staircase.”
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https://www.barstoolsports.com/blog/3448628/someone-did-the-research-and-found-the-spalding-tf-1000-ball-is-ruining-college-basketball-games
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Watch “The Staircase.”
The "owl theory" guy? Please. And if it's true maybe the owl had its reasons. :)
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The "owl theory" guy? Please. And if it's true maybe the owl had its reasons. :)
Owls vs. Manatees? Who wins?
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Florida State is going to give St. John's a scare at the very least later this week. Just have that feeling.
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Owls vs. Manatees? Who wins?
That's a really tough question. I feel like Manatees are misunderstood and Owls kinda know they're perceived as badasses across the animal kingdom. Brother dgies for example has some hostility towards the manatee. When you write "who wins" what are you specifically talking about here? In the coolness rankings?
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Bo’s son… ooofta at GB
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That's a really tough question. I feel like Manatees are misunderstood and Owls kinda know they're perceived as badasses across the animal kingdom. Brother dgies for example has some hostility towards the manatee. When you write "who wins" what are you specifically talking about here? In the coolness rankings?
In a cage match.
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Owls are just badass in so many ways. One of their more incredible skills is their auditory prowess. They can hear voles squirming underneath the snow, take a peek at the spot pretty far away, and then fly silently before introducing the rodent to immediate darkness. They also have ridiculously good eyesight and of course can turn their heads around 270 degrees. They're just cool, really cool. :)
I like this, Muggs. Maybe I'll read it to the kids at practice!
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I like this, Muggs. Maybe I'll read it to the kids at practice!
My parliament of Owls have given you permission to share facts about their greatness.
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Nm
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My parliament of Owls have given you permission to share facts about their greatness.
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Ooops.
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Ooops.
Temple Owls
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Temple Owls
Oh, right. I accidentally responded to my own post.
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Bo’s son… ooofta at GB
They are awful. That’s was a terrible hire from the get go.
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Nothing a quality pellet gun cant take care off
NM
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Owls are just badass in so many ways. One of their more incredible skills is their auditory prowess. They can hear voles squirming underneath the snow, take a peek at the spot pretty far away, and then fly silently before introducing the rodent to immediate darkness. They also have ridiculously good eyesight and of course can turn their heads around 270 degrees. They're just cool, really cool. :)
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Mary Hardin Baylor (D3) beat Texas State last night in a wire to wire victory. Texas State was previously 6-4 in D1 games and Mary Hardin Baylor is now 3-3 overall on the year.........uh....ouch.
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Nothing a quality pellet gun cant take care off
Maybe some dainty little snow owl. Otherwise its just gonna piss it off. I saw a story a few years ago about someone shooting a Great Horned Owl multiple times with a pellet gun in the UP. They found it sitting in the road looking hella pissed. And it was only cause one of the pellets broke a bone in its wing.
Echoing others, I volunteered at a raptor rehabilitation center for 5-6 months in college. Owls are just amazing. They aren't super smart like a crow or a parrot. They aren't adapt at training like a falcon. But they are so perceptive that they have this almost eerie understanding. You'd get within a few yards of their enclosure and they'd clock you, but only subtlety. It was only once you got close that they calmly devoted their attention to you. Its amazing.
Fun fact, Big Boi from Outkast is obsessed with owls and owns multiple varieties and created a whole area at his ranch for them and brings them to record in the studio.
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Maybe some dainty little snow owl. Otherwise its just gonna piss it off. I saw a story a few years ago about someone shooting a Great Horned Owl multiple times with a pellet gun in the UP. They found it sitting in the road looking hella pissed. And it was only cause one of the pellets broke a bone in its wing.
Echoing others, I volunteered at a raptor rehabilitation center for 5-6 months in college. Owls are just amazing. They aren't super smart like a crow or a parrot. They aren't adapt at training like a falcon. But they are so perceptive that they have this almost eerie understanding. You'd get within a few yards of their enclosure and they'd clock you, but only subtlety. It was only once you got close that they calmly devoted their attention to you. Its amazing.
Fun fact, Big Boi from Outkast is obsessed with owls and owns multiple varieties and created a whole area at his ranch for them and brings them to record in the studio.
I thought Snowy Owls were relatively large. You may be thinking of Elf Owls? You're exactly right, they aren't Einstein's among fellow birds, but their instincts are extraordinary. :)
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A couple rather large Barred Owls that live in the woods behind our house. We hear them hooting many nights. One time last year I was manning the grill and one flew right over me. Scared the bejeesus outta me!
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Mississippi State in trouble against Jackson State.
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Mississippi State in trouble against Jackson State.
Whoa. Thw 1-8 Jackson St.?
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A couple rather large Barred Owls that live in the woods behind our house. We hear them hooting many nights. One time last year I was manning the grill and one flew right over me. Scared the bejeesus outta me!
Trace your steps.....did you do something that enraged them last year? :)
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Trace your steps.....did you do something that enraged them last year? :)
Hooooo? Me?
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Hooooo? Me?
You should smoke them, hear they're delicious.
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You should smoke them, hear they're delicious.
I would be cautious with disparaging the owl population.
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Antoine Davis just passed 3000 points. Can he catch Maravich?
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I would be cautious with disparaging the owl population.
When I lived in Arizona, I had a great horned owl who would sit on the top of my house. He didn't like me, and I didn't like him. We kept it civil, though
It looked like this:
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When I lived in Arizona, I had a great horned owl who would sit on the top of my house. He didn't like me, and I didn't like him. We kept it civil, though
It looked like this:
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I'm going to assume he enjoyed the view and pondering revenge tactics against some humans. You made the right decision. :)
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Uhh....are you watching this UCLA/Maryland game?
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Uhh....are you watching this UCLA/Maryland game?
Bloody hell
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I thought Snowy Owls were relatively large. You may be thinking of Elf Owls? You're exactly right, they aren't Einstein's among fellow birds, but their instincts are extraordinary. :)
Definitely was thinking barn owls 8-)
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Mississippi State in trouble against Jackson State.
I guess the "Marquette scored more than anyone against Mississippi St" mystique is gone.
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All good things must come to an end....Louisville finally got their first win of the season
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Antoine Davis just passed 3000 points. Can he catch Maravich?
He's 666 behind Maravich with 20 games left. He'd need to average 33.3 to get there. Add in maybe 5 postseason games and it comes down to a more reasonable 26.6.
That said, he's averaging 24.3 and last night was his first 30+ of the season. He has a shot, and the Horizon isn't a murderers' row, but I think it's more likely he finishes in second.
It will be interesting to see what happens if Detroit is mediocre but he gets close. Say he's on 3550 when they get knocked out of the Horizon tournament. Will the NIT give them a shot? If not, I'm sure the CBI or TBC probably will.
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All good things must come to an end....Louisville finally got their first win of the season
Just Cal left on the schnied
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Sean Miller Receives No Sanctions, Arizona Hit With Penalties by NCAA IARP
DAN LYONSDEC 14, 2022
https://www.si.com/college/2022/12/14/sean-miller-no-penalties-arizona-basketball-ncaa-iarp-recruiting-violations-book-richardson
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The shoe has dropped. 5 level one violations = one less scholarship for a single year and a $5,000.00 fine. How will Arizona's program ever survive? Incredibly well done by the NCAA.
Where does Will Wade coach next?
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Ummm, excuse me, we are discussing domestic violence against owls here. ;)
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The shoe has dropped. 5 level one violations = one less scholarship for a single year and a $5,000.00 fine. How will Arizona's program ever survive? Incredibly well done by the NCAA.
Where does Will Wade coach next?
Northern Arizona U goes on probation though?
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(3-6)Stanford leads (2-9)UWGB 42-19 at halftime. Keeps getting worse for them.
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(3-6)Stanford leads (2-9)UWGB 42-19 at halftime. Keeps getting worse for them.
To be fair, the Lopez twins are a handful.
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To be fair, the Lopez twins are a handful.
Will Ryan has killed that program.
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With a competent coach, it will rise like a phoenix from the ashes.
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Will Ryan has killed that program.
But are the ladies in GB happy and satisfied? I bet they are with a Coach Ryan in town. <in my best Ron Burgundy voice>
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With a competent coach, it will rise like a phoenix from the ashes.
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Will Ryan has killed that program.
Treating it like an AutoZone.
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The shoe has dropped. 5 level one violations = one less scholarship for a single year and a $5,000.00 fine. How will Arizona's program ever survive? Incredibly well done by the NCAA.
Where does Will Wade coach next?
Over the last 10 years we have been one or two scholarship players less for quite a few years.
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Ian Eagle and Jim Spenarkle has always been my favorite broadcast crew. Spero Dedes is right great with Spenarkle as well.
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College refs have absolutely no clue how to call the block/charge. Gonzaga guy steps in to try to take a charge as a Bama player is taking off for a dunk, the Gonzaga guy realizes he’s not really going to get the charge so he just stays up and kind of backs away based in the impact of the contact, doesn’t fall to the ground at all…and gets a charge call.
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This draft class is absolutely stacked. Obviously Wemby is incredible. Scoot is awesome as well. But I’m seeing a mock draft that has Brandon Miller at TEN. If my team gets him at ten, my goodness I am happy.
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This draft class is absolutely stacked. Obviously Wemby is incredible. Scoot is awesome as well. But I’m seeing a mock draft that has Brandon Miller at TEN. If my team gets him at ten, my goodness I am happy.
The end of season tanking will be wild
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Nate Oats with a great Wimp Sanderson homage.
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This draft class is absolutely stacked. Obviously Wemby is incredible. Scoot is awesome as well. But I’m seeing a mock draft that has Brandon Miller at TEN. If my team gets him at ten, my goodness I am happy.
I’ve seen him top 7 mostly. But I’ve also seen mocks with Gradey Dick in the top 10. He’s a great player, but I’d be real pissed if I had a lottery pick, missed out on guys like Wemby and Scoot and Miller, to get Great Plains Kevin Heuter
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I’ve seen him top 7 mostly. But I’ve also seen mocks with Gradey Dick in the top 10. He’s a great player, but I’d be real pissed if I had a lottery pick, missed out on guys like Wemby and Scoot and Miller, to get Great Plains Kevin Heuter
Yeah that’d be a tough pill to swallow if you wind up with Grady Dick when Brandon Miller is going 2 or 3 spots above.
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I’ve seen him top 7 mostly. But I’ve also seen mocks with Gradey Dick in the top 10. He’s a great player, but I’d be real pissed if I had a lottery pick, missed out on guys like Wemby and Scoot and Miller, to get Great Plains Kevin Heuter
Why you dogging Kevin Huerter? Hes playing pretty well. Many others from that draft class above Hierter could have been used. Kevin Knox comes to mind.
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Nate Oats with a great Wimp Sanderson homage.
Unfortunately, it didn't stop Bama from committing 20+ turnovers.
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Any bigger early season disappointments than Creighton and Indiana? I was ready to say Gonzaga, but they seem to have righted the ship.
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Any bigger early season disappointments than Creighton and Indiana? I was ready to say Gonzaga, but they seem to have righted the ship.
Is Indiana really that big of a disappointment? They have 2 losses to top 10 teams and a nice win over UNC. The Rutgers loss is bad, but nowhere near the Creighton slump.
Same with Gonzaga, this wasn’t a title contending Gonzaga team, regardless of ranking, but all their losses are top 10 teams as well. Plus a really nice UK win.
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Is Indiana really that big of a disappointment? They have 2 losses to top 10 teams and a nice win over UNC. The Rutgers loss is bad, but nowhere near the Creighton slump.
Same with Gonzaga, this wasn’t a title contending Gonzaga team, regardless of ranking, but all their losses are top 10 teams as well. Plus a really nice UK win.
I don’t even know if the Rutgers loss is that bad
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I don’t even know if the Rutgers loss is that bad
It’s not all that terrible, it’s just a loss by double digits to a lesser team when you’re ranked in the top 10.
But we all know what a b***h the RAC can be
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I don’t even know if the Rutgers loss is that bad
Indiana wasn’t competitive in any of the 3 losses, which should not happen to a top-10 level team. And the win over Carolina was nice, but they aren’t even ranked right now.
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Indiana wasn’t competitive in any of the 3 losses, which should not happen to a top-10 level team. And the win over Carolina was nice, but they aren’t even ranked right now.
I’m not saying Indiana is a great team. I’m just saying the loss to Rutgers isn’t that bad. They have the 3rd best defense in KenPom
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Indiana is missing a Dynamic PG and the best they had probably broke his foot today.
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After struggling with Jackson State, MS State beat Nicholls by 2 today. I’d be fairly surprised if they finished in the top half of the SEC.
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UNC/OSU game is nice.
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UNC was in there same situation (same score even) with even 1.5 seconds less than MU had against UW and they executed perfectly and scored at the buzzer to send it to OT. I still can’t get over how poorly MU executed that last play against UW. It felt like everyone in the building could intuitively understand what MU should do and yet they were clueless twice.
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Why you dogging Kevin Huerter? Hes playing pretty well. Many others from that draft class above Hierter could have been used. Kevin Knox comes to mind.
I thought of another decent 6’7 white good but limited athleticism shooter. And hence the Great Plains cause I was saying he’s not even Heurter, yet at least. And top 8, like the mocks for Dick I saw, you want a star, not a solid but u spectacular player like Heurter, but he was like 20th, so he’s performing to position
Indiana wasn’t competitive in any of the 3 losses, which should not happen to a top-10 level team. And the win over Carolina was nice, but they aren’t even ranked right now.
That’s fine. And I don’t think they are incredible, but I don’t think they are some grand disappointment. They probably won’t be a FF contender but they will be a top 25ish team all year and a top 6 seed.
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If North Carolina hangs on to beat #23 Ohio State, Marquette may wind up in the Top 25.
Some will then label Tuesday at Providence a trap for Marquette when in reality this is and was always going to be a tough game to win. However, good teams find a way to win. Let's find out what this team really has in them!
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If North Carolina hangs on to beat #23 Ohio State, Marquette may wind up in the Top 25.
Some will then label Tuesday at Providence a trap for Marquette when in reality this is and was always going to be a tough game to win. However, good teams find a way to win. Let's find out what this team really has in them!
Good result for us if we're talking T-25.
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UNC/OSU game is nice.
Fun game. Lots of great shot-making.
I'm still trying to figure out why UNC got to inbound right in front of their bench with 1.2 seconds left. When they called time-out, their guy with the ball was barely at half-court.
UNC was in there same situation (same score even) with even 1.5 seconds less than MU had against UW and they executed perfectly and scored at the buzzer to send it to OT. I still can’t get over how poorly MU executed that last play against UW. It felt like everyone in the building could intuitively understand what MU should do and yet they were clueless twice.
Shaka didn't have a great game, and those final plays were especially piss-poor. It happens. Like when Shaka didn't have his guys foul in a perfect situation against Creighton last season. That's ancient history, and so is the Madison game. No coach is perfect, not even the legends. Get over it.
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After struggling with Jackson State, MS State beat Nicholls by 2 today. I’d be fairly surprised if they finished in the top half of the SEC.
Interesting you didn't post anything since 11am yesterday, nothing on our win against Creighton, but you did manage to do some research and unveil for Scoop that MS State struggled to beat Nichols State today.
Clearly, the transitive property has value, and ergo, MU isn't very good - especially since the only way we could be good this year would be that Sean Jones was WAY better than anticipated. Am I right?
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Or..... he has a life. Quit trying to settle scores that only exist in your head.
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Interesting you didn't post anything since 11am yesterday, nothing on our win against Creighton, but you did manage to do some research and unveil for Scoop that MS State struggled to beat Nichols State today.
Clearly, the transitive property has value, and ergo, MU isn't very good - especially since the only way we could be good this year would be that Sean Jones was WAY better than anticipated. Am I right?
I was at work in Columbia, MO yesterday and drove to Wisconsin after to look at wedding venues this weekend. So unfortunately I couldn’t watch the game. I was able to see the MS State score today though. But thank you for keeping tabs on me. Happy to know my family has a Scoop wellness check for me if ever needed.
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Or..... he has a life. Quit trying to settle scores that only exist in your head.
LOL. Just stating facts Tower. But nice of you to rush to the aid of one of your fellow Projos. That's sweet. Reality is, is that Wades has been a prolific Scooper clocking in with over 15k posts or 2.8 per day, everyday since the year 2007.
I was at work in Columbia, MO yesterday and drove to Wisconsin after to look at wedding venues this weekend. So unfortunately I couldn’t watch the game. I was able to see the MS State score today though. But thank you for keeping tabs on me. Happy to know my family has a Scoop wellness check for me if ever needed.
Congrats on your impending wedding. Bad timing to schedule a drive to WI during the Big East opener. I expect more from you as a die hard MU fan. Then again, since Shaka became coach you've take a real turn for toward king of the MOPE club.
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LOL. Just stating facts Tower. But nice of you to rush to the aid of one of your fellow Projos. That's sweet. Reality is, is that Wades has been a prolific Scooper clocking in with over 15k posts or 2.8 per day, everyday since the year 2007.
Congrats on your impending wedding. Bad timing to schedule a drive to WI during the Big East opener. I expect more from you as a die hard MU fan. Then again, since Shaka became coach you've take a real turn for toward king of the MOPE club.
Yawn. Again, trying to settle scores that exist only in your head.
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LOL. Just stating facts Tower. But nice of you to rush to the aid of one of your fellow Projos. That's sweet. Reality is, is that Wades has been a prolific Scooper clocking in with over 15k posts or 2.8 per day, everyday since the year 2007.
Congrats on your impending wedding. Bad timing to schedule a drive to WI during the Big East opener. I expect more from you as a die hard MU fan. Then again, since Shaka became coach you've take a real turn for toward king of the MOPE club.
And you’re at half that, but you’ve also been unable to post for months at a time due to multiple bannings. So congrats I guess.
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Yawn. Again, trying to settle scores that exist only in your head.
Yawn.
And you’re at half that, but you’ve also been unable to post for months at a time due to multiple bannings. So congrats I guess.
Yes.
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Yawn.
Yes.
On multiple MU basketball forums, no less! But you’re always the victim.
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I personally keep a post time/count tracker on all of you in the event I need to call out your Fanhood.
Hope you're all ready for me to call you out in 2032 for being too hungover to watch Marquette/WVU on New Years day in 2011
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I personally keep a post time/count tracker on all of you in the event I need to call out your Fanhood.
Hope you're all ready for me to call you out in 2032 for being too hungover to watch Marquette/WVU on New Years day in 2011
Goddam tequila.
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I personally keep a post time/count tracker on all of you in the event I need to call out your Fanhood.
Hope you're all ready for me to call you out in 2032 for being too hungover to watch Marquette/WVU on New Years day in 2011
Good lord, that was a tough one to attend in person.
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Gonzaga beat Bama and UCLA is in a good position to beat Kentucky. Baylor beating both teams isn't bad for MU.
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In battle of Pitinos, son (New Mexico) takes out dad (Iona).
Hookers for everyone!
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Scenes from an Italian Restaurant ???? 8-)
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On multiple MU basketball forums, no less! But you’re always the victim.
No. Not a victim. Just an idiot for arguing with posters like you, John Dodds, and the ban-hammer holder here - Rocky - who were adamant Steve Wojo was a fantastic head coach. Oh, and for believing that Derrick Wilson had no business playing 33 minutes per game as a Senior under Wojo. That decision was all the proof I needed to know Wojo was an idiot.
Quite frankly, I consider it an honor to have been banned multiple times for belaboring those two points.
Btw, you failed to point out today that Georgia whooped Notre Dame. Or were you driving back to Columbia and didn't have internet service the whole way between Milwaukee and Columbia? GTFOH.
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No. Not a victim. Just an idiot for arguing with posters like you, John Dodds, and the ban-hammer holder here - Rocky - who were adamant Steve Wojo was a fantastic head coach. Oh, and for believing that Derrick Wilson had no business playing 33 minutes per game as a Senior under Wojo. That decision was all the proof I needed to know Wojo was an idiot.
Quite frankly, I consider it an honor to have been banned multiple times for belaboring those two points.
Btw, you failed to point out today that Georgia whooped Notre Dame. Or were you driving back to Columbia and didn't have internet service the whole way between Milwaukee and Columbia? GTFOH.
The same guy Buzz played 31 MPG as a junior is what convinced you Wojo was an idiot? Interesting.
GTFOH because I didn’t post during my 7 hour drive? Internet access was fine. I don’t know about you but personally I don’t post on MUScoop while I’m driving.
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These Baylor uniforms are hideous.
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These Baylor uniforms are hideous.
And their play tonight hasn't been much better.
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Good lord, that was a tough one to attend in person.
Specifically the drive home was awful. At some point, I was about to pull over and take a nap.
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Baylor survives Wash St. 65-59.
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No. Not a victim. Just an idiot for arguing with posters like you, John Dodds, and the ban-hammer holder here - Rocky - who were adamant Steve Wojo was a fantastic head coach. Oh, and for believing that Derrick Wilson had no business playing 33 minutes per game as a Senior under Wojo. That decision was all the proof I needed to know Wojo was an idiot.
Quite frankly, I consider it an honor to have been banned multiple times for belaboring those two points.
Btw, you failed to point out today that Georgia whooped Notre Dame. Or were you driving back to Columbia and didn't have internet service the whole way between Milwaukee and Columbia? GTFOH.
Ners you weren’t banned for belaboring those two points. You were banned for being a dick like you have been in this topic. Just stop.
And also stop with the Projo / Nojo stuff. Everyone has moved on and most are excited about the trajectory of the program.
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Tjank you for your service Uncle
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This draft class is absolutely stacked. Obviously Wemby is incredible. Scoot is awesome as well. But I’m seeing a mock draft that has Brandon Miller at TEN. If my team gets him at ten, my goodness I am happy.
Brandon Miller was superb against Gonzaga, but he's struggled on 2 pointers this year. Shooting a paltry 42% at the rim and 31% on all other 2s. That's the red flag holding back his draft stock.
His three point shooting has been lights out at 45%. If he improves on his 2s, Miller will climb draft boards.
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The A-10, which has produced 3-4 NCAAT teams many years, is down this season. Here's an interesting note from The Athletic's Seth Davis:
The NCAA has begun issuing its NET rankings, and while there are still a lot of games to be played, most of the nonconference games are in the bank. And here’s a quick early take: The Atlantic 10 will almost certainly be a one-bid league. The A-10 is 12th in the conference NET rankings (behind Conference USA and the WAC), and the only top 100 teams are Saint Louis (87) and Fordham (96). If that holds, that means that no one in the league will play a Quad 1 game, because a team has to be ranked in the top 75 and be playing at home to qualify as a Quad 1 opponent. No team has earned an at-large bid with zero Quad 1 wins since the NCAA instituted the NET system before the 2018-19 season.
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The A-10, which has produced 3-4 NCAAT teams many years, is down this season. Here's an interesting note from The Athletic's Seth Davis:
The NCAA has begun issuing its NET rankings, and while there are still a lot of games to be played, most of the nonconference games are in the bank. And here’s a quick early take: The Atlantic 10 will almost certainly be a one-bid league. The A-10 is 12th in the conference NET rankings (behind Conference USA and the WAC), and the only top 100 teams are Saint Louis (87) and Fordham (96). If that holds, that means that no one in the league will play a Quad 1 game, because a team has to be ranked in the top 75 and be playing at home to qualify as a Quad 1 opponent. No team has earned an at-large bid with zero Quad 1 wins since the NCAA instituted the NET system before the 2018-19 season.
That's it. Every conference seems to be down. Parity Ball. While we bemoan the Big East, the ACC, PAC and these middies are down worse. There was a lot of roster churn after COVID eligibility and the new transfer rules, the crème will rise.
Buckle up. The Big East round robin is going to be a bunch of rock fights. I am excited to see that MU is proving they can play and win in different ways and styles.
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That's it. Every conference seems to be down. Parity Ball. While we bemoan the Big East, the ACC, PAC and these middies are down worse. There was a lot of roster churn after COVID eligibility and the new transfer rules, the crème will rise.
Buckle up. The Big East round robin in going to be a bunch of rock fights. I am excited to see that MU is proving they can play and win in different ways and styles.
Great post, Dr. B, and I agree completely. My MU-buddy text chains have been filled with enthusiasm so far this season (except for the Madison game, when everyone was grumpy). Looking forward to lots of great hoops.
We Are Marquette!
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This is pretty clever.
https://twitter.com/BlueDemonDegen/status/1604861688855105536
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This is pretty clever.
https://twitter.com/BlueDemonDegen/status/1604861688855105536
Awesome
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That's it. Every conference seems to be down. Parity Ball. While we bemoan the Big East, the ACC, PAC and these middies are down worse. There was a lot of roster churn after COVID eligibility and the new transfer rules, the crème will rise.
Buckle up. The Big East round robin is going to be a bunch of rock fights. I am excited to see that MU is proving they can play and win in different ways and styles.
This^^^
There is an assumption it seems that the BE is way down and that it’ll be fairly easy to coast through, but as Lee Corso says not so fast!
4 KenPom top 30ish teams and 9 of the 11 in the top 75ish, with DePaul and GTown as the poopy outliers.
Those road games won’t be easy for any of the teams, and for most not named UConn heading on the road to anyone outside of DePaul or GTown will be slightly better than a coin flip as opposed to a sure fire win.
Whoever holds serve and dominates on their court will rise to the top, and it’s much better to be in X or MUs shoes than otherwise, but you’ve still got to win the games in front of you to get those numbers in the right spot to dance
PS- great post warrior chick that comment got me 😂
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Don't look now, but St Thomas-MN is on top of the Summit League. Just a step away from Big East inclusion.
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/game/_/gameId/401470178 (https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/game/_/gameId/401470178)
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This is pretty clever.
https://twitter.com/BlueDemonDegen/status/1604861688855105536
Respect to DePaul for that one. That's pretty good.
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Rhode Island vs Milwaukee cancelled due to COVID.
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Rhode Island vs Milwaukee cancelled due to COVID.
Blast from the (not all that distant) past.
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Mississippi State down 2 at Drake with less than 20 seconds remaining
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Mississippi State down 2 at Drake with less than 20 seconds remaining
They lost. Looks like Marquette won’t be able to get anything better than an 11-seed
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Mississippi State down 2 at Drake with less than 20 seconds remaining
Elon does not appreciate you sharing this.
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Elon does not appreciate you sharing this.
Yes. We suck. We'll only be good this year if Sean Jones massively exceeds expectations. Thanks for sharing your incredible basketball intellect with this board. Nonetheless, glad you seemingly are able to Scoop during a Marquette game, and not traveling in areas without internet service.
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Final - Lipscomb 75
Loserville 67
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Wofford beat Texas A&M. Buzz’s crew is currently 69th in KenPom which is nice. This isn’t a particularly good Wofford team, either. Auto-bid or bust at the moment for Don’t Mess With Happy whose current best win is DePaul
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Wofford beat Texas A&M. Buzz’s crew is currently 69th in KenPom which is nice. This isn’t a particularly good Wofford team, either. Auto-bid or bust at the moment for Don’t Mess With Happy whose current best win is DePaul
Do ee beat DePaul?
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Yes. We suck. We'll only be good this year if Sean Jones massively exceeds expectations. Thanks for sharing your incredible basketball intellect with this board. Nonetheless, glad you seemingly are able to Scoop during a Marquette game, and not traveling in areas without internet service.
What does internet service have to do with anything? You post on Scoop while driving? Lol.
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Do ee beat DePaul?
I’m not sure Marquette will win a game in 2023
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Kenpom 356 Eastern Illinois is up 8 AT Iowa with under 8 minutes to go.
HANG ON GENTLEMAN!!! PULL THIS ONE OUT!
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Kenpom 356 Eastern Illinois is up 8 AT Iowa with under 8 minutes to go.
HANG ON GENTLEMAN!!! PULL THIS ONE OUT!
They are going to. Crazy. Iowa was -31.5.
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They are going to. Crazy. Iowa was -31.5.
Yeah, but KenPom only gave Iowa a 99.8% chance to win
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They are going to. Crazy. Iowa was -31.5.
Iowa was up 14 in the 1st half and lost by double digits.
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Iowa was up 14 in the 1st half and lost by double digits.
Nvm, EIU won by 9.
My CBS app said 92-82 but it was actually 92-83.
Either way a 23 point swing!
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They are going to. Crazy. Iowa was -31.5.
In the last 30 years, teams that were at least 30 point underdogs were 0-558.
Kinda puts our loss last night into perspective.
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Imagine if Muggsy was on HawkeyeScoop
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The gritty Bobby Hurley saw his newly ranked Arizona State team get poleaxed by 37 against San Francisco. He got booted, too
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The gritty Bobby Hurley saw his newly ranked Arizona State team get poleaxed by 37 against San Francisco. He got booted, too
I believe ASU was down by 50 at one point too!
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The gritty Bobby Hurley saw his newly ranked Arizona State team get poleaxed by 37 against San Francisco. He got booted, too
Don't worry, I was told by an extremely knowledgeable Scooper that there's more to Hurley than meets the eye.
I am not sure exactly what that means, but I am sure this loss was part of his master plan for ASU basketball.
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The gritty Bobby Hurley saw his newly ranked Arizona State team get poleaxed by 37 against San Francisco. He got booted, too
Reminds me of Travis Diener.
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Notre Dame has lost 3 straight and is now 0-3 in the ACC after falling at (3-10) Florida State.
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Notre Dame has lost 3 straight and is now 0-3 in the ACC after falling at (3-10) Florida State.
Awesome
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Mixed blessing
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I believe ASU was down by 50 at one point too!
Your belief is false!
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Iowa went from 27 to 60 in NET overnight. Arizona State 22 to 50. Both good results for MU considering they were both in our "tier".
Top 25 teams to go down this week (so far):
#6 Virginia (to #22 Miami)
#14 Duke (to Wake Forest)
#15 Mississippi St. (to Drake)
#24 Marquette (to Providence)
#21 Virginia Tech (to Boston College)
#25 Arizona State (to San Francisco)
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Your belief is false!
45, 47…whatever. Point is, ASU got ass-kicked.
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Becky is ducking Grambling St.
Chickens!!
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Becky is ducking Grambling St.
Chickens!!
Soft. I can see the Kohl Center right now. Wondering if Grambling couldn’t get in.
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Soft. I can see the Kohl Center right now. Wondering if Grambling couldn’t get in.
Grambling did have travel issues. Not sure why that's considered "soft."
"MADISON - Mother Nature can be a formidable opponent.
"University of Wisconsin officials learned that again Thursday and announced the men's basketball game set for Friday night at the Kohl Center has been canceled because of travel issues for Grambling State."
https://www.postcrescent.com/story/sports/college/uw/2022/12/22/wisconsin-vs-grambling-st-mens-basketball-game-canceled-due-to-winter-storm/69751167007/ (https://www.postcrescent.com/story/sports/college/uw/2022/12/22/wisconsin-vs-grambling-st-mens-basketball-game-canceled-due-to-winter-storm/69751167007/)
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Grambling did have travel issues. Not sure why that's considered "soft."
"MADISON - Mother Nature can be a formidable opponent.
"University of Wisconsin officials learned that again Thursday and announced the men's basketball game set for Friday night at the Kohl Center has been canceled because of travel issues for Grambling State."
https://www.postcrescent.com/story/sports/college/uw/2022/12/22/wisconsin-vs-grambling-st-mens-basketball-game-canceled-due-to-winter-storm/69751167007/ (https://www.postcrescent.com/story/sports/college/uw/2022/12/22/wisconsin-vs-grambling-st-mens-basketball-game-canceled-due-to-winter-storm/69751167007/)
Badgers are ducking them
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They couldn't have checked the weather forecast and gotten in town a day early?
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Badgers are ducking them
Effing racists!
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Imagine if Muggsy was on HawkeyeScoop
Hiroshima
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Missouri 51
Illinois 27
At the half
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So we get the secret scrimmage seed bump this year?
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Missouri 51
Illinois 27
At the half
Looks like Coach Underwood’s public ripping of his players, their mothers and everything they stand for is working wonders.
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Missouri 51
Illinois 27
At the half
And they've been playing without Mosley. Pretty good start for the former MUBB Grad Assistant.
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They couldn't have checked the weather forecast and gotten in town a day early?
Harder to do when you don’t fly charter.
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Iowa went from 27 to 60 in NET overnight. Arizona State 22 to 50. Both good results for MU considering they were both in our "tier".
Top 25 teams to go down this week (so far):
#6 Virginia (to #22 Miami)
#14 Duke (to Wake Forest)
#15 Mississippi St. (to Drake)
#24 Marquette (to Providence)
#21 Virginia Tech (to Boston College)
#25 Arizona State (to San Francisco)
The NET is as volatile as the stock market.
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Iowa went from 27 to 60 in NET overnight. Arizona State 22 to 50. Both good results for MU considering they were both in our "tier".
Top 25 teams to go down this week (so far):
#6 Virginia (to #22 Miami)
#14 Duke (to Wake Forest)
#15 Mississippi St. (to Drake)
#24 Marquette (to Providence)
#21 Virginia Tech (to Boston College)
#25 Arizona State (to San Francisco)
That didn’t lost long, ain’a
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Dollar amount Beard paid his fiance?
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Dollar amount Beard paid his fiance?
Must be a lot. If I read her statement correctly, she is claiming the police lied about the choking. That is not a simple retraction.
"Chris did not strangle me, and I told that to law enforcement that evening."
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UPSET ALERT:
Knowing Scoops affinity for Owls, Kennesaw State up 23-19 late 1H over IU.
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Hoosiers without two starters. Lost their PG for the rest of the year. Jackson-Davis held out until conference play.
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Beard's fiancé saw the $ign
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Beard's fiancé saw the $ign
Wait till she sees the officer's body cams.
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UPSET ALERT:
Knowing Scoops affinity for Owls, Kennesaw State up 23-19 late 1H over IU.
Nice! 🦉 🦉 🦉 🦉 🦉
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IU has 13 days off before their next game.
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Beard for U.S. Senate!
any cute jokes on Beard now?
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Must be a lot. If I read her statement correctly, she is claiming the police lied about the choking. That is not a simple retraction.
"Chris did not strangle me, and I told that to law enforcement that evening."
I believe she’s now claiming the choking was self-defense and she was the instigator.
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Must be a lot. If I read her statement correctly, she is claiming the police lied about the choking. That is not a simple retraction.
"Chris did not strangle me, and I told that to law enforcement that evening."
This unfortunately is not an uncommon response. Money may be involved but more times than often it is not. It can be very hard to leave an abusive relationship, especially one that is this public. There's also a chance that it was a false allegation but given the details released, that seems unlikely.
I remember a case a few years where a university expelled a football player for beating (and I believe strangling) his girlfriend. After the expulsion the GF came out and said that the university railroaded the BF and that she told them that nothing happened. The university publicly invited both parties to sign waivers to allow them to release the investigation report to the public so they could prove their allegations. Neither took the offer.
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This unfortunately is not an uncommon response. Money may be involved but more times than often it is not. It can be very hard to leave an abusive relationship, especially one that is this public. There's also a chance that it was a false allegation but given the details released, that seems unlikely.
I remember a case a few years where a university expelled a football player for beating (and I believe strangling) his girlfriend. After the expulsion the GF came out and said that the university railroaded the BF and that she told them that nothing happened. The university publicly invited both parties to sign waivers to allow them to release the investigation report to the public so they could prove their allegations. Neither took the offer.
Agreed. But I'm leaning towards money being involved in some form or another.
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any cute jokes on Beard now?
Texas went from a coach whose team choked on the court to a coach who literally choked off the court. (Allegedly.)
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Texas went from a coach whose team choked on the court to a coach who literally choked off the court. (Allegedly.)
If Texas fires Beard, you have to make the call if you’re Marquette
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If Texas fires Beard, you have to make the call if you’re Marquette
911
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This unfortunately is not an uncommon response. Money may be involved but more times than often it is not. It can be very hard to leave an abusive relationship, especially one that is this public. There's also a chance that it was a false allegation but given the details released, that seems unlikely.
I remember a case a few years where a university expelled a football player for beating (and I believe strangling) his girlfriend. After the expulsion the GF came out and said that the university railroaded the BF and that she told them that nothing happened. The university publicly invited both parties to sign waivers to allow them to release the investigation report to the public so they could prove their allegations. Neither took the offer.
The bolded, unfortunately, is correct. I'll leave it to the psychologists to explain the reasons for this phenomenon. Women in an abusive relationship often not only keep coming back but also insist on blaming themselves. Police dread having to go to a home on a "domestic" call, knowing that the warring couple often will unite briefly just to scream at them.
I'm still hoping that Beard will be fired and really do not be proven right on my earlier statement in this thread that Texas and Beard will put this in their rearview mirror. It looks like it will play out just as I feared it would. Crap!
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911
One call, that’s all.
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The bolded, unfortunately, is correct. I'll leave it to the psychologists to explain the reasons for this phenomenon. Women in an abusive relationship often not only keep coming back but also insist on blaming themselves. Police dread having to go to a home on a "domestic" call, knowing that the warring couple often will unite briefly just to scream at them.
I'm still hoping that Beard will be fired and really do not be proven right on my earlier statement in this thread that Texas and Beard will put this in their rearview mirror. It looks like it will play out just as I feared it would. Crap!
why? Why hope Beard is fired? If the lady bs’d, Beard should get smoked? Scoop jumps to convict quickly, it seems. If Beard is an abuser, then yes, can him. But why hope for it?
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why? Why hope Beard is fired? If the lady bs’d, Beard should get smoked? Scoop jumps to convict quickly, it seems. If Beard is an abuser, then yes, can him. But why hope for it?
Are you Beard’s attorney?
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why? Why hope Beard is fired? If the lady bs’d, Beard should get smoked? Scoop jumps to convict quickly, it seems. If Beard is an abuser, then yes, can him. But why hope for it?
I mean, the police report outlines bruises and marks that match her story. So either Beard is a POS (who may get away with it) or the police were in on framing Beard. I know which way I’m leaning.
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The bolded, unfortunately, is correct. I'll leave it to the psychologists to explain the reasons for this phenomenon. Women in an abusive relationship often not only keep coming back but also insist on blaming themselves. Police dread having to go to a home on a "domestic" call, knowing that the warring couple often will unite briefly just to scream at them.
I'm still hoping that Beard will be fired and really do not be proven right on my earlier statement in this thread that Texas and Beard will put this in their rearview mirror. It looks like it will play out just as I feared it would. Crap!
Psychology can play a role but there are even more basic concerns than that. Statistically, the most dangerous time for an abuse victim is when they leave the relationship and shortly after. Not all but a not insignificant number of abusers will resort to murder when they sense the relationship is ending. Many abusers make their victims dependent on them by not allowing them to work. If the choice is between you and potentially your child being homeless or your significant other abusing you, you may choose the abuse. There are other common barriers to exiting an abusive relationship.
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Psychology can play a role but there are even more basic concerns than that. Statistically, the most dangerous time for an abuse victim is when they leave the relationship and shortly after. Not all but a not insignificant number of abusers will resort to murder when they sense the relationship is ending. Many abusers make their victims dependent on them by not allowing them to work. If the choice is between you and potentially your child being homeless or your significant other abusing you, you may choose the abuse. There are other common barriers to exiting an abusive relationship.
Thanks TAMU. If I may add to your comments, the abusers often are suspicious and jealous of any other relationships the victim has
with not just friends but her family as well and insists on controlling all contact with them, correct? Totally control freak. It is too easy to blame the victim for returning time and time again. It's almost like an addiction to drugs. I really do not understand why there is a compulsion to keep going back (besides your comments on that subject) but I have known women who finally freed themselves of the abusive relationships.
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why? Why hope Beard is fired? If the lady bs’d, Beard should get smoked? Scoop jumps to convict quickly, it seems. If Beard is an abuser, then yes, can him. But why hope for it?
I hope for it because there is a 911 call, the victim's report to the police who she called, and the bruises. Now she recants as so many abused victims do and of course, it is time for her to accept the blame for......oh wait! It's those nasty cops who made up a story, right? My hoping for his firing and your proposed narrative- she BS'd, he's getting smoked- have absolutely no bearing at all on how this will play out.
I was a facilitator for a training program for identifying and preventing child sexual abuse. The program was developed by professionals in that field of study and one of the points I explained while conducting the classes was how difficult it often is to obtain a conviction. Why? Because children, like abused adults, so often recant their claims, sometimes even before the cases come to court. So getting back to your question- Why hope for his firing? The case may never reach court, but I have seen enough. I think UT and Beard have played the delaying game well and believe there will be no firing or other disciplinary action.
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Didn't she have bruises on her neck from apparent strangulation? How do they explain that away?
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If I read it correctly, she is saying she initiated the physical confrontation and Beard was defending himself.
$$$$$.
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I hope for it because there is a 911 call, the victim's report to the police who she called, and the bruises. Now she recants as so many abused victims do and of course, it is time for her to accept the blame for......oh wait! It's those nasty cops who made up a story, right? My hoping for his firing and your proposed narrative- she BS'd, he's getting smoked- have absolutely no bearing at all on how this will play out.
I was a facilitator for a training program for identifying and preventing child sexual abuse. The program was developed by professionals in that field of study and one of the points I explained while conducting the classes was how difficult it often is to obtain a conviction. Why? Because children, like abused adults, so often recant their claims, sometimes even before the cases come to court. So getting back to your question- Why hope for his firing? The case may never reach court, but I have seen enough. I think UT and Beard have played the delaying game well and believe there will be no firing or other disciplinary action.
what you say might be true. My point is this…you don’t have the facts of this case anymore than anyone else on Scoop has the facts of this case. Kind of like getting vax’d for Covid because as 46 said, it’s irrefutable that you then won’t get Covid. So, get vax’d!! Yeah, ok. Yet, you’ve tried and convicted Beard based on a ‘statement’ that might be quite the contrary to what actually took place. That’s all I’m saying. And, as I said prior, if Beard is a POS, as Wades states he’s leaning Beard is, then he’ll be vaporized in due course. And, deservingly so!!! But, until then, I go with innocence until proven guilty. You seem to go with guilty, prove your innocence.
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If Texas fires Beard, you have to make the call if you’re Marquette
Gruber, hey?
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Hans? It is Christmas after all.
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But, until then, I go with innocence until proven guilty. You seem to go with guilty, prove your innocence.
You have very old fashioned ideas, Viper!
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what you say might be true. My point is this…you don’t have the facts of this case anymore than anyone else on Scoop has the facts of this case. Kind of like getting vax’d for Covid because as 46 said, it’s irrefutable that you then won’t get Covid. So, get vax’d!! Yeah, ok. Yet, you’ve tried and convicted Beard based on a ‘statement’ that might be quite the contrary to what actually took place. That’s all I’m saying. And, as I said prior, if Beard is a POS, as Wades states he’s leaning Beard is, then he’ll be vaporized in due course. And, deservingly so!!! But, until then, I go with innocence until proven guilty. You seem to go with guilty, prove your innocence.
Bolded is simply not true on two counts.
1) I have not "tried and convicted" Beard at all. That is for the legal system to address and for jurors to determine guilt, if any. I have expressed my opinion. Scoop is not a court of law. Scoopers are not jurors. It is an opinion board.
2) I included the 911 call and the physical injury evidence in support of my opinion. It was not based only on a statement. You are the one who is basing his argument upon a single statement/recant. Are these "the facts in this case" that you stated that I do not have?
You asked me to explain my opinion and I have done so, and with supporting evidence. Now it is your turn to explain your opinion that this may be a setup, that the girl friend may have lied, but this time address the 911 call and physical injuries that you neglected to address in your first post.
We can and will continue to disagree on this. So be it, but do not make things up about my comments by selective omission.
Merry Christmas Viper!
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If I read it correctly, she is saying she initiated the physical confrontation and Beard was defending himself.
Maybe I’m being sexist, but I don’t see strangling a woman as an acceptable defending of a guy’s person? At most, maybe a reflexive push to free up space so you can get away, but… there was talk of being without air for several seconds… not to mention bruises, etc. It will be interesting to see how Texas handles this… and if fired, does Beard sue for breach of contract if the criminal complaint is dropped?
Ugly situation for all
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Maybe I’m being sexist, but I don’t see strangling a woman as an acceptable defending of a guy’s person? At most, maybe a reflexive push to free up space so you can get away, but… there was talk of being without air for several seconds… not to mention bruises, etc.
I can't think of a reason to use choking in self-defense, especially if one is stronger and larger than the other person. Unless she had a weapon, what could she have been doing to him that made him think, "If I am going to get out of this relatively unharmed, I am going to have to go for her throat"?
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Maybe I’m being sexist, but I don’t see strangling a woman as an acceptable defending of a guy’s person? At most, maybe a reflexive push to free up space so you can get away, but… there was talk of being without air for several seconds… not to mention bruises, etc. It will be interesting to see how Texas handles this… and if fired, does Beard sue for breach of contract if the criminal complaint is dropped?
Ugly situation for all
If I read the complaint correctly, she left the room after breaking his glasses and he followed her about 15 minutes later. Not sure self defense or 'knee jerk' reaction is cause or justification.
As for employment, all the reports are saying the contract allows Texas to terminate for being arrested for a felony. Nothing about being found guilty.
I am 100% in the corner of presuming innocence, but this doesn't pass my smell test. As for Beard and Texas basketball, I don't really care about them. IF he is innocent, then they can keep him or fire him; no big deal to me.
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Nothing I like more than speculating about domestic violence in strangers relationships.
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Nothing I like more than speculating about domestic violence in strangers relationships.
::) People are providing experience and context to the arrest report of a public figure.
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::) People are providing experience and context to the arrest report of a public figure.
No! We must rely solely upon court rulings before we express an opinion. Unless we are discussing the rigged 2010 election. Then the 60+ adverse court rulings are totally meaningless.
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If I read the complaint correctly, she left the room after breaking his glasses and he followed her about 15 minutes later. Not sure self defense or 'knee jerk' reaction is cause or justification.
Yea the time elapsing is what makes it all seem BS.
I had an old coworker who got into an heated discussion with a guy at a street festival. He pushed the guy roughly after they got chest to chest and he stumbled a bit. Friends broke them up and they went their separate ways. 20 min later the other guy ran up and sucker punched my coworker knocking him out. After police were brought it, the guy claimed self defense cause my coworker pushed him and nearly knocked him over. They were like “how long ago? 20 min? Nah…”
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Her damn throat totally invaded my hands’ space!
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You have very old fashioned ideas, Viper!
I'm a romantic
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Kevin Willard ripping how the B1G schedules compared to the Big East. Says it is a contributing factor to the lack of NC's.
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Kevin Willard ripping how the B1G schedules compared to the Big East. Says it is a contributing factor to the lack of NC's.
I mean unless Jay was the only one scheduling the "right" way then im not sure his point has much merit...
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I feel like Kevin Willard has a tough time making friends.
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I mean unless Jay was the only one scheduling the "right" way then im not sure his point has much merit...
I enjoy taking shots at the Big 14, but this one doesn’t make much sense. I can’t think of a case where scheduling has hurt the league
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Willard doesn’t know about #crapshoot?
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Congrats to Gonzaga for defeating Eastern Oregon 120-42.
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Somebody had to.
Getting ready for conference play.
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Missouri doesn't stink at basketball.
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Missouri doesn't stink at basketball.
Dennis Gates, aina?
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MU's scrimmage against them can only hurt seeding.
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Dennis Gates, aina?
CTC coaching tree
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CTC coaching tree
He owes it all to Tom
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Buzz was from the Crean tree.
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Buzz was from the Crean tree.
Not really.
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He was an assistant under Crean....
Buzz was an assistant so many places.
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He was an assistant under Crean....
Buzz was an assistant so many places.
He was an assistant for one year after he was a head coach elsewhere. It was a marriage of convenience.
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I know. And I agree. Buzz was and is a vagabond. However, that one year marriage of convenience semantically puts him in the Crean tree.
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Oh fence:
https://twitter.com/john_fanta/status/1607972218776219649?s=46&t=j5aESXluxsblfnvdi9lsRg
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Previous MU opponent, Central Michigan, leads Michigan in Ann Arbor 45-44 with 11 to go.
Iowa down almost 30 to Nebraska.
B1G is back.
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Previous MU opponent, Central Michigan, leads Michigan in Ann Arbor 45-44 with 11 to go.
Iowa down almost 30 to Nebraska.
B1G is back.
Nebraska isn’t good but they’re frisky.
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Central Michigan hits a 3 with 11 seconds left to take a lead 63-61 at Michigan.
Central Michigan has been without their best player, Kevin Miller, since November.
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Central Michigan hits a 3 with 11 seconds left to take a lead 63-61 at Michigan.
Central Michigan has been without their best player, Kevin Miller, since November.
Upset complete!
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Fire up, Chips!
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Could Howard snap again?
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Only Juwan way to find out.
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Greg Elliot and PItt are 3-0 in the ACC. Just beat UNC.
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Greg Elliot and PItt are 3-0 in the ACC. Just beat UNC.
Do we like Greg or was he a “don’t let the door hit you guy”?
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Do we like Greg or was he a “don’t let the door hit you guy”?
Greg is great.
It was best for everyone when he moved on. Hes got himself a starting role on a decently surprising ACC team. And quite frankly was not getting minutes with us.
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Do we like Greg or was he a “don’t let the door hit you guy”?
I like our current backcourt and I’m pretty sure I wouldn’t trade anyone for Greg.
But I definitely liked Greg last season. We wouldn’t have made the tourney without him.
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I like our current backcourt and I’m pretty sure I wouldn’t trade anyone for Greg.
But I definitely liked Greg last season. We wouldn’t have made the tourney without him.
Agree Greg is an awesome very friendly person and he helped our NET against UCLA last season
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Do we like Greg or was he a “don’t let the door hit you guy”?
Greg has an MU degree he's not someone quit on the school. Anyone who hates on him or Jamal better not have a grad degree from anywhere but Marquette.
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Do we like Greg or was he a “don’t let the door hit you guy”?
We hate Greg. Anyone who leaves Marquette to play for another school is a quitter and a traitor.
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We hate Greg. Anyone who leaves Marquette to play for another school is a quitter and a traitor.
I was glad that he left. He wasn't very good.
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We hate Greg. Anyone who leaves Marquette to play for another school is a quitter and a traitor.
That’s what I thought
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I was glad that he left. He wasn't very good.
Not as good a reason to hate him as his quitting or traitoring but valid as an additional one.
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Do we like Greg or was he a “don’t let the door hit you guy”?
Not white...
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Baylor sucks again. Our NET is screwed. ?-(
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Baylor sucks again. Our NET is screwed. ?-(
Very, we're done!
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Baylor sucks again. Our NET is screwed. ?-(
Damn.
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Purdue finally loses.
At home to Rutgers.
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Q4 loss for us??
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The NCAA is looking to expand the tournament to 90 teams.
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$$$$
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$$$$
Not a fan of this idea at all Tower.
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Mark Emmert sucks
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72 would be better than 68 or 64 for that matter, if done right.
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It's fine. All you would be doing is increasing the number of buy in games from 4 to 13.
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It's going to be super fun when those left out will bitch about being 91 on the S-Curve. This is seriously stupid. 72 is fine I guess but I liked 64.
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It's fine. All you would be doing is increasing the number of buy in games from 4 to 13.
More business opportunity for your boys at the Mecca too
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I would increase it to 96 teams. 16 play-in games for spots against the top four in each region.
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32 auto-bids, 24 at-large byes to Thursday/Friday, 16 at-large play-ins on Tuesday/Wednesday. Four sites playing 2 games per day on Thursday/Friday. All in primetime, with a game tipping off every half-hour from 6:00 pm to 9:30 pm EST. It would put high-major brands into those games (always the highest rated) and turn the first weekend into a 6-day basketball extravaganza. The only difficulty is people would have to complete their brackets by Tuesday afternoon, but a small price to pay for a better opening experience.
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I'd prefer 500 teams.
Could let in some D2 and D3, maybe a few of those elite hoops-factor high schools.
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I'd prefer 500 teams.
Could let in some D2 and D3, maybe a few of those elite hoops-factor high schools.
That just wouldn’t be feasible. Could you imagine the printer waste from all of the brackets ?
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I'd prefer 500 teams.
Could let in some D2 and D3, maybe a few of those elite hoops-factor high schools.
Why not have a 32 team tournament with rosters of 5'4 and under? :)
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Why not have a 32 team tournament with rosters of 5'4 and under? :)
Just let 'em play against the big boys. The refs would need a new signal for "kneecap foul."
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Why not have a 32 team tournament with rosters of 5'4 and under? :)
I still think a smaller than 6ft league would be awesome to watch. Bet it'd be better than 3v3
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It's going to be super fun when those left out will bitch about being 91 on the S-Curve. This is seriously stupid. 72 is fine I guess but I liked 64.
100% agreed. Jim Boeheim has his press conference ready to go.
Syracuse could now play an OC SOS in the 300's with no repercussions.
I guess it will make the regular season more interesting for DePaul but I will be less interested in MU in November and December.
Also, I seriously could see load management becoming a thing in college hoops.
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I still think a smaller than 6ft league would be awesome to watch. Bet it'd be better than 3v3
Agreed. I'm past my prime but I lthink I could have done some damage in the LPL (Lillyputian Pro League).
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Need to allow in the top 16 women’s teams too. #equity
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Need to allow in the top 16 women’s teams too. #equity
Only if they reach the quota for transgender women. #true-equity
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It's going to be super fun when those left out will bitch about being 91 on the S-Curve. This is seriously stupid. 72 is fine I guess but I liked 64.
When they went to 64 teams in the field, there were 299 teams in D1. So 21.4% of the teams made the NCAA Tournament. Since then, we've expanded to 363 teams but just 68 bids (18.7%). It should be 78 teams based on the expansion. That's why I think 72 is a perfectly fine compromise. And worthwhile Tuesday/Wednesday games only improve the experience.
I get that it's easy to dismiss the play-ins, but plenty of those teams have won games in the main field and went as deep as the Final Four, including our own head coach. Remove the 16-seed play-ins because no one wants those and, honestly, the increase in early round losses for 1, 2, and 3 seeds can be directly correlated to the expansion of 16-seed play-ins which put better teams on the 16, 15, and 14 lines.
It would be better for ratings, better for the high-majors that make the decisions, and better for the fans who would get legit content the first two nights of the tourney.
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Why not have a 32 team tournament with rosters of 5'4 and under? :)
We could call it “The 5th Grade Basketball Tournament”.
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We could call it “The 5th Grade Basketball Tournament”.
I would have killed to be 5'4" in 5th grade, or in 8th grade. (made it to 6' by junior yr HS, thank God).
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I'd rather they cut D1 athletics down to 92 teams than have 92 NCAA Tournament teams. There are way too many D1 basketball teams, and 92 teams in an NCAA Tournament would be way too many teams in a Tourney.
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When they went to 64 teams in the field, there were 299 teams in D1. So 21.4% of the teams made the NCAA Tournament. Since then, we've expanded to 363 teams but just 68 bids (18.7%). It should be 78 teams based on the expansion. That's why I think 72 is a perfectly fine compromise. And worthwhile Tuesday/Wednesday games only improve the experience.
I get that it's easy to dismiss the play-ins, but plenty of those teams have won games in the main field and went as deep as the Final Four, including our own head coach. Remove the 16-seed play-ins because no one wants those and, honestly, the increase in early round losses for 1, 2, and 3 seeds can be directly correlated to the expansion of 16-seed play-ins which put better teams on the 16, 15, and 14 lines.
It would be better for ratings, better for the high-majors that make the decisions, and better for the fans who would get legit content the first two nights of the tourney.
If they were to expand, this would be the ideal format (32 auto, 24 byes, 16 wild cards). The current format of the play-in games just completely sucks and is uninteresting to me even as a hardcore fan who enjoys watching obscure low major games on ESPN+.
96 would really be a huge bummer for anyone that follows basketball all year round and not just in March. In a 96 format, tonight’s game against St Johns would be pretty meaningless.
NCAAT is at about the right number of teams. Teams that get left out nowadays certainly had their chances to make it and should have nothing to complain about. Buzz was crying last year about not getting in, but he also could have not lost 8 games in a row.
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Iowa's Patrick McCaffery is taking an indefinite leave to address his anxiety.
Averages nearly 13 ppg.
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https://twitter.com/roundballpod/status/1609990967402299393?t=Lx94UwbsQpC4qwTTD0NSHw&s=19
Scumbags
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https://twitter.com/roundballpod/status/1609990967402299393?t=Lx94UwbsQpC4qwTTD0NSHw&s=19
Scumbags
Of course every response is an immediate butthurt Badger fan talking about their loss to CMU. Cause you can't say much to a program that has 3 S16s, an E8, and a Natty Runner Up in the last 5 NCAAs and has won 2 of the last 3 against you.
Oh and Juwan Howard should be in jail ::)
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https://twitter.com/roundballpod/status/1609990967402299393?t=Lx94UwbsQpC4qwTTD0NSHw&s=19
Scumbags
Hunter Dickinson is an idiot who should learn to shut his mouth. I'm sure this will end up going just as well as guaranteeing Michigan would beat Arizona State by 20 before the Sun Devils boat raced them by 25.
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Hunter Dickinson is an idiot who should learn to shut his mouth. I'm sure this will end up going just as well as guaranteeing Michigan would beat Arizona State by 20 before the Sun Devils boat raced them by 25.
At least he’s an idiot speaking the truth
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Iowa's Patrick McCaffery is taking an indefinite leave to address his anxiety.
Averages nearly 13 ppg.
I wonder if this will be received similarly to Simone Biles
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I wonder if this will be received similarly to Simone Biles
Not familiar with the scenario. How was it recieved in that case?
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Not familiar with the scenario. How was it recieved in that case?
https://foxsportsradio.iheart.com/alternate/amp/2021-07-27-doug-gottlieb-says-the-media-is-giving-simone-biles-a-pass-for-dropping-out/
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Hopefully Dawson can improve to 2-0 against UW-Madison tonight.
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Louisville just lost a heartbreaker to Syracuse.
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Louisville just lost a heartbreaker to Syracuse.
Somebody's CBT dreams live on.
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Hopefully Dawson can improve to 2-0 against UW-Madison tonight.
He has looked awful thus far.
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He has looked awful thus far.
7 to 7 8 minutes in is certainly a change of pace from what we just watched with our squad.
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https://twitter.com/roundballpod/status/1609990967402299393?t=Lx94UwbsQpC4qwTTD0NSHw&s=19
Scumbags
I know a scooper who will not appreciate this.
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Is he nolongerposting?
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Looks like Creighton has righted the ship. 36-18 over The Hall.
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Looks like Creighton has righted the ship. 36-18 over The Hall.
Idk if I’d go that far (yet). Their likely 3-1 conference record will be built on home wins against Butler DePaul and Seton Hall. Let’s see how they look after their next two.
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12-1 Kansas State has 58 at halftime AT Texas.
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Is Beard coaching?
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Is Beard coaching?
Maybe from his couch.
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Is he nolongerposting?
Oh no, he sultanly is posting.
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Is Beard coaching?
Nope, Beard's strangling defence is to good to surrender 58. ;D
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12-1 Kansas State has 58 at halftime AT Texas.
Saw that they were doing well the other day and I looked up their head coach, Jerome Tang, and saw he was a longtime assistant at Baylor under Drew and finally got his big break.
Good for him, impressive start.
Goes to show you how much the head coach matters in NCAAb.
Not that Bruce Webber is a bad coach or bad guy, but his time as a high major head coach has likely just come and gone much like Tom Crean.
***hope this doesn’t spiral into a tanned Tommy and coach Woj slugfest
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Idk if I’d go that far (yet). Their likely 3-1 conference record will be built on home wins against Butler DePaul and Seton Hall. Let’s see how they look after their next two.
Definitely not the toughest opponents, but they are a different team with Kalkbrenner on the floor.
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Crowl hooks constantly.
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Nope, Beard's strangling defence is to good to surrender 58. ;D
Yikes
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Wojo in the sportscenter studio after the Kansas/TT game?!?!?!
Unreal
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Kstate vs Texas made our game look like a defensive slug fest.
Kstate puts up 116 pts
60% from field
13/24 from 3
31/33 from the line
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🚨🚨🚨Moisture Alert🚨🚨🚨
"Friars getting 5 points vs. UConn tonight @The_AMPPVD
On another note, Officials have rented cooling equipment to ward against potential moisture buildup with 50 degree temps/rain in forecast. Work on new roof of 50-yr old hoop palace on tap in spring."
-Kevin McNamara
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Word is that Scott Drew made a personal effort to help Tang get the job at K-State and has publicly stated that he thinks Tang will build K-State into a b'ball power. Looks like he is off to a great start. Doubt that K-State can keep him long-term though if he does have really good success for two or three years.
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Word is that Scott Drew made a personal effort to help Tang get the job at K-State and has publicly stated that he thinks Tang will build K-State into a b'ball power. Looks like he is off to a great start. Doubt that K-State can keep him long-term though if he does have really good success for two or three years.
You might be right, but he's 56 years old. And Kansas State isn't a terrible program by any means.
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🚨🚨🚨Moisture Alert🚨🚨🚨
"Friars getting 5 points vs. UConn tonight @The_AMPPVD
On another note, Officials have rented cooling equipment to ward against potential moisture buildup with 50 degree temps/rain in forecast. Work on new roof of 50-yr old hoop palace on tap in spring."
-Kevin McNamara
;D The MU floor sweat game was 2017. Glad it took them 6 years to fix the issue. Only Wojo got a longer run.
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;D The MU floor sweat game was 2017. Glad it took them 6 years to fix the issue. Only Wojo got a longer run.
The game where they basically agreed to not call travels. What a mess that was.
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It also helps that Kansas State is comfortable letting a player who collapsed due to a heart condition and wasn't cleared to play after over a year at Florida is now their best player.
I really hope Johnson stays healthy, continues to be awesome, and makes a lot of money at the next level. But that scares me even as a viewer.
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🚨🚨🚨Moisture Alert🚨🚨🚨
"Friars getting 5 points vs. UConn tonight @The_AMPPVD
On another note, Officials have rented cooling equipment to ward against potential moisture buildup with 50 degree temps/rain in forecast. Work on new roof of 50-yr old hoop palace on tap in spring."
-Kevin McNamara
Build a new arena and 'doze that dump.
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☠☠☠
Brandon Murray just dunked all over Villanova
https://twitter.com/BleacherReport/status/1610786185454190597?t=wOjYo5zaZVrF-k7ZwTsu7A&s=19
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It also helps that Kansas State is comfortable letting a player who collapsed due to a heart condition and wasn't cleared to play after over a year at Florida is now their best player.
I really hope Johnson stays healthy, continues to be awesome, and makes a lot of money at the next level. But that scares me even as a viewer.
There wasn’t any malpractice involved. He was cleared to play. It was more Todd golden not wanting to take a player back who had a significant brush with the law.
Christian Erikson collapsed during the last euros and he’s back and playing at a high level again. Not unheard of.
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Duke’s 5-star lineup struggling early at NC State. 😮
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Duke’s 5-star lineup struggling early at NC State. 😮
Is Wojo guest coaching?
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GA Tech leads #15 Miami at the half 39-35.
NC State is up 20 on Duke with 2 minutes left in the 1st half.
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Is Wojo guest coaching?
No, but Scheyer may end up being Wojo 2.0.
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Georgia Tech beats Miami
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(13-1) #15 Miami just lost to mediocre, can't beat anyone, Georgia Tech. What a buncha knobs.
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Jarkel Joiner, who Marquette played last year with Ole Miss, had 21, 6, and 9 in a 24 point win over Duke.
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(13-1) #15 Miami just lost to mediocre, can't beat anyone, Georgia Tech. What a buncha knobs.
Guess that could be good for us, right?
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(13-1) #15 Miami just lost to mediocre, can't beat anyone, Georgia Tech. What a buncha knobs.
It only took you half the season and an 0-6 record against top 100 opponents for you to try and rub it in our face. Enjoy the night you’ve earned it.
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Guess that could be good for us, right?
Yes
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It only took you half the season and an 0-6 record against top 100 opponents for you to try and rub it in our face. Enjoy the night you’ve earned it.
Doesn't matter to me one way the other. Go Marquette.
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Doesn't matter to me one way the other. Go Marquette.
Sure.
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Duke in a tough game tonight got me thinking; what does Scheyer have to do to keep that job? Does 2 Sweet 16s in the next five years keep him employed? Does he need better? Can he stay employed with less success than that?
Just curious on peoples thoughts.
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Duke in a tough game tonight got me thinking; what does Scheyer have to do to keep that job? Does 2 Sweet 16s in the next five years keep him employed? Does he need better? Can he stay employed with less success than that?
Just curious on peoples thoughts.
I think at the end of the day, Duke’s gonna find out he’s not a very good coach. And recruiting off the Duke brand will only last so long.
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Doesn't matter to me one way the other. Go Marquette.
Uh huh...
(13-1) #15 Miami just lost to mediocre, can't beat anyone, Georgia Tech. What a buncha knobs.
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I think at the end of the day, Duke’s gonna find out he’s not a very good coach. And recruiting off the Duke brand will only last so long.
Here’s to hoping Scheyer sucks, Dook falls off, and the ACC drops down to PAC-10 level.
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Providence once again getting the friendly home whistle. 16 more free throw attempts than UConn with about 8 minutes to play.
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Providence once again getting the friendly home whistle. 16 more free throw attempts than UConn with about 8 minutes to play.
It’s crazy this keeps happening to them. Just doesn’t make any sense a team so good at getting to the line just keeps getting to the line a lot.
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(13-1) #15 Miami just lost to mediocre, can't beat anyone, Georgia Tech. What a buncha knobs.
I don't know about "can't beat anyone," but Georgia Tech is 8-6, which is pretty mediocre. And one of those losses was by 10,000 points to Marquette despite one of your glorious predictions about doom for your supposed favorite team:
I'll say a 3 point loss
That outstanding take came amidst a whole bunch of outstanding takes in which you talked about how much worse this team is than last season's team.
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That Tuesday in late November was not a fluke.
We are flat out a better team than Baylor.
Sadly, it also means our win probably gonna diminish a lot during the year
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I don't know about "can't beat anyone," but Georgia Tech is 8-6, which is pretty mediocre. And one of those losses was by 10,000 points to Marquette despite one of your glorious predictions about doom for your supposed favorite team:
That outstanding take came amidst a whole bunch of outstanding takes in which you talked about how much worse this team is than last season's team.
Rather be wrong than a prick! Go Marquette!
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Just noticed, we have 3 upcoming major games on CBS sports network (Uconn, providence, Xavier) - not sure what to think about that ….
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Just noticed, we have 3 upcoming major games on CBS sports network (Uconn, providence, Xavier) - not sure what to think about that ….
Noticed that too earlier this afternoon. Then a few more later in the year as well.
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Rather be wrong than a prick!
Your posting history shows you're quite adept at being both!
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Your posting history shows you're quite adept at being both!
Not quite! Everyone is wrong, but no need to be so confrontational and rude about everything, but you do you. Have a nice day!
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Fanta is hilarious. That guy is Big East to the core.
https://www.youtube.com/live/AHZsL-YGfEI?feature=share
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Yeah, Baylors D stinks.
And their offense is basically the 3 guards and hoping for contact.
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I've seen very little Illinois basketball this season. But I've seen some highlights (or lowlights) and I've heard the interviews. Has Brad Underwood lost his team?
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Illini are in big time trouble.
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(13-1) #15 Miami just lost to mediocre, can't beat anyone, Georgia Tech. What a buncha knobs.
Hilarious.
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I've seen very little Illinois basketball this season. But I've seen some highlights (or lowlights) and I've heard the interviews. Has Brad Underwood lost his team?
Illinois is a dumpster fire. Hopefully they show up Saturday.
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TCU beats Baylor on the road. Smh.
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Porter Moser can't win close games.
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TCU beats Baylor on the road. Smh.
Baylor now hanging on for dear life as a Q1 win for us
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Buzz and Texas A&M achieved a rare feat.
Started a game down 1-0 because of a technical for delaying the game by leaving their jerseys at the hotel...
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People are acting like losing to TCU is some godawful loss. They lost a 1 point game. It's not like this is some major hit to their numbers.
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People are acting like losing to TCU is some godawful loss. They lost a 1 point game. It's not like this is some major hit to their numbers.
Next week should be the 1st week of the season that we pass them in the AP rankings as we passed them in KenPom this week already.
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Buzz and Texas A&M achieved a rare feat.
Started a game down 1-0 because of a technical for delaying the game by leaving their jerseys at the hotel...
We might need a Buzz’s Bunch video just to help him stay off the hot seat.
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TCU beats Baylor on the road. Smh.
Tennessee blows out Mississippi State by 35. MSU now on a 3 game losing streak after starting 11-0
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Buzz and Texas A&M achieved a rare feat.
Started a game down 1-0 because of a technical for delaying the game by leaving their jerseys at the hotel...
;D ;D ;D
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Stop sharing MSU results. It might trigger Ners.
And for the love of god make sure you're posting on Scoop while you're driving cross country. We don't need any unnecessary wellness checks being sent out.
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Buzz and Texas A&M achieved a rare feat.
Started a game down 1-0 because of a technical for delaying the game by leaving their jerseys at the hotel...
Buzz's presser on this was quintessential Buzzard:
"I forgot the jerseys in my hotel room," Williams said. "That's probably the right way to say it because I used to be a manager. If that would have happened, my head coach would have stuck up for me. You don't want the jerseys to get wrinkled so they hang them in my room, and I just forgot to put them on the bus.
"It's my fault and it won't happen again."
Williams was admittedly protecting his student managers.
No he wasn't!! What does this even mean? Am I going insane?? "I used to be a manager... my head coach would have stuck up for me... its my fault" isn't sticking up for someone! It is saying, "yeah it was definitely their fault, but this is me sticking up for them, aren't I great?" Of course its the manager's fault, but "hey everybody makes mistakes, and ultimately every detail of the team is on me as the head coach so we'll have to work in some checks" or something would be sticking up for them. Not... whatever the hell that was.
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Chris Beard officially fired.
#BuzzToTexas
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Chris Beard officially fired.
#BuzzToTexas
I'm guessing 3 years he's out before a desperate school says "we believe he's learned his lesson" and hires him.
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I'm guessing 3 years he's out before a desperate school says "we believe he's learned his lesson" and hires him.
So, Beard to Louisville?
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Beard to Georgetown after Ewing retires after 2023-2024.
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Gonna be a lot of people lining up for that job. Gonna be interesting to see how the search goes
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Gonna be a lot of people lining up for that job. Gonna be interesting to see how the search goes
I think a lot of current coaches in successful situations know that job has a ton of potential, but in many ways is a pit of vipers. I bet that UT fans are going to feel disappointed by whomever is hired.
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Probably not a coincidence that Beard got fired after Jerome Tang was in town.
Just sayin.
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(http://i.imgur.com/TMNhgMJ.gif)
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Probably not a coincidence that Beard got fired after Jerome Tang was in town.
Just sayin.
That might be a good call.
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Probably not a coincidence that Beard got fired after Jerome Tang was in town.
Just sayin.
Are you inferring that Texas likes some good Tang?
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Buzz is probably thinking he’d be in line for then UT job if the NCAA has followed his memo.
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Texas needs an experienced coach with a squeaky clean image. A coach of high character. One that projects a wholesome corporate image. One who can win the powerpoint and the press conference. One with experience coming into a situation where the powers that be want to clean up the image of the program.
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Texas needs an experienced coach with a squeaky clean image. A coach of high character. One that projects a wholesome corporate image. One who can win the powerpoint and the press conference. One with experience coming into a situation where the powers that be want to clean up the image of the program.
Texas wants to win. Don’t think they care about much else.
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Texas needs an experienced coach with a squeaky clean image. A coach of high character. One that projects a wholesome corporate image. One who can win the powerpoint and the press conference. One with experience coming into a situation where the powers that be want to clean up the image of the program.
Rick Pitino?
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Rick Pitino?
His son over in New Mexico has had a hell of a start to the season.
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Texas wants to win. Don’t think they care about much else.
Then why did they fire Beard???
Anyway, Texas is usually not a "win at all costs" type of place. They usually make pretty safe hires as far as reputation goes. Sarkisian may be the most "controversial" big hire they made, but he even went through a ton of rehabilitation first.
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Rick Pitino?
YES
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Texas needs an experienced coach with a squeaky clean image. A coach of high character. One that projects a wholesome corporate image. One who can win the powerpoint and the press conference. One with experience coming into a situation where the powers that be want to clean up the image of the program.
Bo Ryan, and the Wisconsin Way
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His son over in New Mexico has had a hell of a start to the season.
Not an impressive team
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Then why did they fire Beard???
Anyway, Texas is usually not a "win at all costs" type of place. They usually make pretty safe hires as far as reputation goes. Sarkisian may be the most "controversial" big hire they made, but he even went through a ton of rehabilitation first.
I agree, Texas runs a fairly tight ship, hence Beard is gone. They hire good people and expect them to win at a high level without cheating. They want a Jay Wright.
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Then why did they fire Beard???
Anyway, Texas is usually not a "win at all costs" type of place. They usually make pretty safe hires as far as reputation goes. Sarkisian may be the most "controversial" big hire they made, but he even went through a ton of rehabilitation first.
Because he was charged for assault.
My point is, they’re not going to hire a choir boy because of Beard’s actions. They’ll hire whomever they think will
Win them the most games.
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Because he was charged for assault.
My point is, they’re not going to hire a choir boy because of Beard’s actions. They’ll hire whomever they think will
Win them the most games.
My point is that's not the MO they have taken in the past.
I agree, Texas runs a fairly tight ship, hence Beard is gone. They hire good people and expect them to win at a high level without cheating. They want a Jay Wright.
Exactly.
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Time to man up. I was so wrong when I said Beard would survive.
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I agree, Texas runs a fairly tight ship, hence Beard is gone. They hire good people and expect them to win at a high level without cheating. They want a Jay Wright.
That might be a spot for him to come back to if he wants? I think Jay wanted out partly because he wasn’t thrilled with the direction of the sport and I’m not sure Texas is a better landing spot in that regard than Nova was/is but I’d imagine if he gets the itch, that’s an attractive gig
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My point is that's not the MO they have taken in the past.
Exactly.
Texas’ only morality clause is winning.
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All time good guy sark with a nice gesture-
https://twitter.com/heartland_cs/status/1608928184548102145?s=46&t=AoIjJcOVLQsXEiRVyZrJXg
UT softball coach exemplifying the tight ship they run for their staff down in Austin.
https://twitter.com/setholiveras/status/1525231682026184707?s=46&t=AoIjJcOVLQsXEiRVyZrJXg
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All time good guy sark with a nice gesture-
https://twitter.com/heartland_cs/status/1608928184548102145?s=46&t=AoIjJcOVLQsXEiRVyZrJXg
UT softball coach exemplifying the tight ship they run for their staff down in Austin.
https://twitter.com/setholiveras/status/1525231682026184707?s=46&t=AoIjJcOVLQsXEiRVyZrJXg
You're making my point. Softball coach Mike White was a program builder at Oregon, who never had a whiff of trouble. Sark had his issues, but those were more along the lines of "personal demons" and not recruiting violations, etc.
And is really the best you can do showing a coach flipping off an umpire or swearing at a bowl official??? (BTW, White immediately apologized post game.)
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Time to man up. I was so wrong when I said Beard would survive.
I thought so too but that was before the details of the police report came out. Once those injuries were documented, it was going to be very hard for him to survive.
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You're making my point. Softball coach Mike White was a program builder at Oregon, who never had a whiff of trouble. Sark had his issues, but those were more along the lines of "personal demons" and not recruiting violations, etc.
And is really the best you can do showing a coach flipping off an umpire or swearing at a bowl official??? (BTW, White immediately apologized post game.)
Beard apologized too….
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Texas needs an experienced coach with a squeaky clean image. A coach of high character. One that projects a wholesome corporate image. One who can win the powerpoint and the press conference. One with experience coming into a situation where the powers that be want to clean up the image of the program.
Jesus Tower, you just made the case to hire Wojo, especially the ability to win the Powepoint. Always knew you were a huge Wojo slurper.
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Jesus Tower, you just made the case to hire Wojo, especially the ability to win the Powepoint. Always knew you were a huge Wojo slurper.
<sigh>
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Now there is an intelligent non comment.
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<sigh>
So good
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Jesus Tower, you just made the case to hire Wojo, especially the ability to win the Powepoint. Always knew you were a huge Wojo slurper.
::)
Simply 'tower' is enough. Powepoint? I rooted for Wojo to succeed at Marquette.
Thanks for the laughs.
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The sigh? C'mon man man, a sigh turns you on? Thought you were the King of Comebacks? Shirley you can do better. How about something about a green horse.
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Jesus Tower, you just made the case to hire Wojo, especially the ability to win the Powepoint. Always knew you were a huge Wojo slurper.
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Jesus Tower, you just made the case to hire Wojo, especially the ability to win the Powepoint. Always knew you were a huge Wojo slurper.
Your brains are truly dazzling
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Purdue in trouble again.
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Purdue in trouble again.
Sensabaugh is a star. Can’t believe there isn’t more hype around him.
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Purdue in trouble again.
... or.....
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Michigan and Madison the last 2 unbeatens left in the B1G.
(3-0) UW vs. (0-3) Illinois on Saturday. Didn't realize how badly the Illini had been struggling.
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... or.....
Big shot by Loyer.
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Purdue in trouble again.
They were -2.5 point dogs. They won.
"in trouble" lol
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They were -2.5 point dogs. They won.
"in trouble" lol
I took them straight up.
They have failed to cover in 10 straight. Figured they were due.
And they almost did cover and lose....
Paid off though.
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They were -2.5 point dogs. They won.
"in trouble" lol
I was looking at the score, not the speead.
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Now there is an intelligent non comment.
Go have a burger
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Now there is an intelligent non comment.
Goes well with your non-intelligent comment.
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Seth Davis in The Athletic is floating Calipari as a possibility for Texas.
In light of Kentucky’s current struggles, and the fan base’s commensurate impatience, the notion that Calipari would actually leave this time is a lot more credible. Would Texas be willing to pay him what he’s making at Kentucky, and perhaps more? Possibly. Would Calipari be willing to take a pay cut to make the move? Possibly. The timing of this is a challenge for Calipari, because he will undoubtedly be asked about it for the remainder of the season (although he has usually found conjecture about his next move to be quite useful). This remains a long shot, but it’s not nearly as long as it seemed a couple of months ago.
Others: Dennis Gates, Chris Holtmann, Royal Ivey, Eric Musselman, Nate Oats, Kelvin Sampson, Rodney Terry (the interim coach), Jay Wright.
Davis thinks that, ultimately, Terry will get the job.
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Interesting scores for top ten teams last night.
#1 Purdue 71, OSU 69; #10 UCLA 60, USC 58; #9 Gonzaga 77, San Francisco 75; #5 Arizona 70, Washington 67.
Houston blew out SMU, but the others? Uneasy rest the crowns on the top ten last night.
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UCLA was up by 16-18 points at the half as well.
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Interesting scores for top ten teams last night.
#1 Purdue 71, OSU 69; #10 UCLA 60, USC 58; #9 Gonzaga 77, San Francisco 75; #5 Arizona 70, Washington 67.
Houston blew out SMU, but the others? Uneasy rest the crowns on the top ten last night.
A lot of mediocrity in college hoops this year
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A lot of mediocrity in college hoops this year
And on Scoop as well.
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And on Scoop as well.
But for us, it's a long tradition.
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A lot of mediocrity in college hoops this year
Does parity equal mediocrity?
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Does parity equal mediocrity?
It’s not parity
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A lot of mediocrity in college hoops this year
You are not wrong, but this post / thread comes out every year on every fan board for the past 30 years.
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You are not wrong, but this post / thread comes out every year on every fan board for the past 30 years.
Yep, it must be January and conference season.
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You are not wrong, but this post / thread comes out every year on every fan board for the past 30 years.
I’m basing this off KenPom AdjEM, not conference season or such. Houston and Tennessee are the top 2 teams and after that, there are a lot of good teams but none that standout like a Baylor or Gonzaga in ‘21 or Virginia in ‘19. Stuff can change, but this looks a lot like last year. I have a theory for it but isn’t fully flushed out and you’ll have to pay to read it.
By the end of the year, we may look back and say, yeah, Houston was clearly the best team all season. I guess I’m skeptical of them because super low possession teams without great offenses always make me skeptical
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I’m basing this off KenPom AdjEM, not conference season or such. Houston and Tennessee are the top 2 teams and after that, there are a lot of good teams but none that standout like a Baylor or Gonzaga in ‘21 or Virginia in ‘19. Stuff can change, but this looks a lot like last year. I have a theory for it but isn’t fully flushed out and you’ll have to pay to read it.
By the end of the year, we may look back and say, yeah, Houston was clearly the best team all season. I guess I’m skeptical of them because super low possession teams without great offenses always make me skeptical
My hot take? Houston is extremely overrated and won't make the Sweet Sixteen.
I will not go into why I believe this.
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My hot take? Houston is extremely overrated and won't make the Sweet Sixteen.
I will not go into why I believe this.
I would not be shocked
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Houston have an elite back court, elite coach and an elite defense. They’re far and away the best team in the country.
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Houston have an elite back court, elite coach and an elite defense. They’re far and away the best team in the country.
Also entirely possible
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Also entirely possible
Are you just goldeneagles03 in disguise ??
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Are you just goldeneagles03 in disguise ??
🥶
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Just remember to brag about being right no matter what happens to Houston in the tournament.
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Houston have an elite back court, elite coach and an elite defense. They’re far and away the best team in the country.
And they play in a lousy conference and have gone 2-1 in Q1 games, 4-0 in Q2 games, and the rest of their games are all Q4 wins.
a very fluffy schedule... but I said I wouldn't go into it. Yet, here I am.
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Houston have an elite back court, elite coach and an elite defense. They’re far and away the best team in the country.
Best? Maybe. Far and away? Not remotely. Lost to Alabama, struggled mightily with Kent State and UCF at home. They're good, but not on par with the Gonzaga/Baylor teams of recent years, and there are a lot of good not great teams this year.
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Houston have an elite back court, elite coach and an elite defense. They’re far and away the best team in the country.
This season is completely wide open panda. Houston may very well be the best of the lot but I honestly think 20 teams could make the F4. Including Marquette.
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Seth Davis in The Athletic is floating Calipari as a possibility for Texas.
In light of Kentucky’s current struggles, and the fan base’s commensurate impatience, the notion that Calipari would actually leave this time is a lot more credible. Would Texas be willing to pay him what he’s making at Kentucky, and perhaps more? Possibly. Would Calipari be willing to take a pay cut to make the move? Possibly. The timing of this is a challenge for Calipari, because he will undoubtedly be asked about it for the remainder of the season (although he has usually found conjecture about his next move to be quite useful). This remains a long shot, but it’s not nearly as long as it seemed a couple of months ago.
Others: Dennis Gates, Chris Holtmann, Royal Ivey, Eric Musselman, Nate Oats, Kelvin Sampson, Rodney Terry (the interim coach), Jay Wright.
Davis thinks that, ultimately, Terry will get the job.
I would love Cal to Texas. Then Texas would have the Jimbo Fisher of college basketball and TAMU would have the John Calipari of college football!
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I would love Cal to Texas. Then Texas would have the Jimbo Fisher of college basketball and TAMU would have the John Calipari of college football!
Eh
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And they play in a lousy conference and have gone 2-1 in Q1 games, 4-0 in Q2 games, and the rest of their games are all Q4 wins.
a very fluffy schedule... but I said I wouldn't go into it. Yet, here I am.
I agree it’s easy to poke holes in their resume but this is a tournament proven team with all of the tools available to make a deep run in march.
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Houston have an elite back court, elite coach and an elite defense. They’re far and away the best team in the country.
I'm with Brew.
They are probably and imo the best team. But far and away?? Not a chance in hell.
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KenPom tells me Houston is the best team in the country.
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But for us, it's a long tradition.
True dat.
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I would not be shocked
#crapshoot
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Best? Maybe. Far and away? Not remotely. Lost to Alabama, struggled mightily with Kent State and UCF at home. They're good, but not on par with the Gonzaga/Baylor teams of recent years, and there are a lot of good not great teams this year.
No shame in losing to bama.
Kent state is really, really good and has the ability to win a game or two in the tournament. Houston had a ton of stops at the end of the game and a bad three point shooter in Malique Jacobs hits an end of shot clock three to keep it close.
UCF game was mostly in control throughout for them. It was a one possession game, but with UCF fouling and chasing down the stretch.
Really nothing to be concerned about.
Tops for me are Houston, Kansas, Arizona, and Gonzaga.
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No shame in losing to bama.
Kent state is really, really good and has the ability to win a game or two in the tournament. Houston had a ton of stops at the end of the game and a bad three point shooter in Malique Jacobs hits an end of shot clock three to keep it close.
UCF game was mostly in control throughout for them. It was a one possession game, but with UCF fouling and chasing down the stretch.
Really nothing to be concerned about.
Top five for me are Houston, Kansas, Arizona, ucla and Gonzaga.
I’d put UConn in place of Gonzaga. Zags are West Coast Marquette.
Zona has an elite offense and so-so defense. Like Bama better
Virginia, Arkansas, Kentucky and Creighton all lurking
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No shame in losing to bama.
Kent state is really, really good and has the ability to win a game or two in the tournament. Houston had a ton of stops at the end of the game and a bad three point shooter in Malique Jacobs hits an end of shot clock three to keep it close.
UCF game was mostly in control throughout for them. It was a one possession game, but with UCF fouling and chasing down the stretch.
Really nothing to be concerned about.
Top five for me are Houston, Kansas, Arizona, ucla and Gonzaga.
Gonzaga stinks (relative to what they typically are of late). Tennessee and UCONN are better than all but one of those teams. I'd go Houston, Tennessee, UCONN, UCLA, Bama, Arkansas as the top 6.
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Gonzaga stinks (relative to what they typically are of late). Tennessee and UCONN are better than all but one of those teams. I'd go Houston, Tennessee, UCONN, UCLA, Bama, Arkansas as the top 6.
Don’t forget who the coach of Tennessee is :-) he’s allergic to winning in march
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So is Marquette.
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Don’t forget who the coach of Tennessee is :-) he’s allergic to winning in march
He's gone to seven Sweet Sixteens, a Final Four, and has 25 NCAA Tournament wins.
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He's gone to seven Sweet Sixteens, a Final Four, and has 25 NCAA Tournament wins.
Yes that’s what happens when you’re a good coach who sticks around for a long time.
But - he’s had some really really good teams since 2008. And he’s gone to one elite 8 and one sweet 16.
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Yes that’s what happens when you’re a good coach who sticks around for a long time.
But - he’s had some really really good teams since 2008. And he’s gone to one elite 8 and one sweet 16.
Marquette has had some really good (and some really bad) teams since 2003 and has gone to two Sweet Sixteens and an Elite Eight.
I'll roll the dice with a guy who has "had some really good teams" come March. Sometimes the good teams advance. Others they bow out early. It's the nature of a one and done format.
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No shame in losing to bama.
Kent state is really, really good and has the ability to win a game or two in the tournament. Houston had a ton of stops at the end of the game and a bad three point shooter in Malique Jacobs hits an end of shot clock three to keep it close.
UCF game was mostly in control throughout for them. It was a one possession game, but with UCF fouling and chasing down the stretch.
Really nothing to be concerned about.
Top five for me are Houston, Kansas, Arizona, ucla and Gonzaga.
Your own post undermines your argument. If they were far and away the best, they wouldn't have lost at home period.
If they were far and away the best, even a good Kent State team wouldn't have a lead on them in their own building with under a minute left.
If they were far and away the best, they would've had a comparably bad UCF team thoroughly in control, and wouldn't have been in a one point game at home with an inferior opponent under 3 minutes to play regardless.
Are they good? Sure. Deserved #1? Sure. Far and away the best? Not remotely close by your own response.
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No shame in losing to bama.
Kent state is really, really good and has the ability to win a game or two in the tournament. Houston had a ton of stops at the end of the game and a bad three point shooter in Malique Jacobs hits an end of shot clock three to keep it close.
UCF game was mostly in control throughout for them. It was a one possession game, but with UCF fouling and chasing down the stretch.
Really nothing to be concerned about.
Top five for me are Houston, Kansas, Arizona, ucla and Gonzaga.
I stopped reading here.
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Your own post undermines your argument. If they were far and away the best, they wouldn't have lost at home period.
If they were far and away the best, even a good Kent State team wouldn't have a lead on them in their own building with under a minute left.
If they were far and away the best, they would've had a comparably bad UCF team thoroughly in control, and wouldn't have been in a one point game at home with an inferior opponent under 3 minutes to play regardless.
Are they good? Sure. Deserved #1? Sure. Far and away the best? Not remotely close by your own response.
No it doesn’t. What team in history ever dominates every game ?
Did you watch the Kent state Houston game? Guessing you didn’t, but Houston got a bunch of stops at the end, scored key buckets coming back and would’ve wrapped it up earlier had it not been for a late shot clock broken play 3 from a bad shooter. Houston didn’t play great and still won because they’re a really, really good team. That’s important.
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Marquette has had some really good (and some really bad) teams since 2003 and has gone to two Sweet Sixteens and an Elite Eight.
I'll roll the dice with a guy who has "had some really good teams" come March. Sometimes the good teams advance. Others they bow out early. It's the nature of a one and done format.
Is this really the first time you’re seeing Rick barnes is a flame out in march ? It’s a pretty well known thought.
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What team in history ever dominates every game?
One that's "far and away the best."
Look, you threw out an opinion as if it were fact. It's not. You can't prove your opinion is true. It's just an opinion.
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One that's "far and away the best."
Look, you threw out an opinion as if it were fact. It's not. You can't prove your opinion is true. It's just an opinion.
Great teams lose. That’s not an indictment against them. If losing happens often, they’re no longer a great team. So far so good for the cougs.
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No it doesn’t. What team in history ever dominates every game ?
Far and away. That was your wording. None of those things you described happen to a team that is far and away the best. Certainly not in buy games.
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Great teams lose. That’s not an indictment against them. If losing happens often, they’re no longer a great team. So far so good for the cougs.
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Far and away. That was your wording. None of those things you described happen to a team that is far and away the best. Certainly not in buy games.
Time will tell
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Maybe come up with a more compelling argument
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The season for (0-3) Illinois just got a bit tougher.
"Freshman point guard Skyy Clark has left the #Illini program, despite starting 12 of 13 games and ranking 3rd in minutes played."
IIRC Skyy was a target for Shaka at one point. 5 star PG.
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Opportunity! MU is so short at the guard position.
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Opportunity! MU is so short at the guard position.
Not really, Sean Jones is the only one I'd consider short, but he makes up for it with quickness and ball pressure.
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Interesting listening to sports radio in Columbus ohio today after the Buckeyes blew a late lead to Purdue last night.
Really could be a audio scoop thread. Blah blah...better than PU for 37 min. Blah blah...can't win close games.
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Sensabaugh is a star. Can’t believe there isn’t more hype around him.
I agree with this, but he wasn't a top 50 recruit (not even top 75 for 24/7) and hasn't had a HOLY SH** game yet, just a couple really nice ones. Buzz is a bit slower for guys like that. Look how long it took people to come around to Morant even though he was a revelation as a freshman.
Kent state is really, really good and has the ability to win a game or two in the tournament. Houston had a ton of stops at the end of the game and a bad three point shooter in Malique Jacobs hits an end of shot clock three to keep it close.
This however is silly. Kent State is...fine. A good team in a mediocre conference. They don't have any good wins, but they don't have any bad losses either. Their best 2 performances, Houston and Gonzaga, they caught good teams on bad nights. They are a good defensive team but not Houston shooting 11% from 3 good. That would have been a bad loss for Houston regardless. They'll finish in the 60s in the NET because they won't run the table in the MAC, they never do and nobody else in the MAC will be top 100.
I would love Cal to Texas. Then Texas would have the Jimbo Fisher of college basketball and TAMU would have the John Calipari of college football!
Now this is just unfair. And also kind of speaks to how well Cal has recruited for so long. Jimbo had 3 good seasons at FSU in a row, including the Natty. His best season at A&M was the weird COVID year and still got smoked by Bama.
Cal has Final Fours at 3 schools (i dont care about sanctions or forfeited wins in this discussion), 6 F4s total, 6 E8s, and 3 S16s. Having more F4s and E8s than S16s, 2nd Rounds, or First rounds, the anti-Bo Ryan. He's more Mack Brown or Jim Tressel than Jimbo.
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Maybe come up with a more compelling argument
Plenty of Scoopers already have. All you've done is give an unprovable opinion, pretended it's fact, and then, per your usual m.o., you've been willing to die on the hill over and over.
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The season for (0-3) Illinois just got a bit tougher.
"Freshman point guard Skyy Clark has left the #Illini program, despite starting 12 of 13 games and ranking 3rd in minutes played."
IIRC Skyy was a target for Shaka at one point. 5 star PG.
I again wonder if Underwood has lost the team.
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Plenty of Scoopers already have. All you've done is give an unprovable opinion, pretended it's fact, and then, per your usual m.o., you've been willing to die on the hill over and over.
And yet another low effort, lots of words to say nothing post from you. Par for the course.
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I agree with this, but he wasn't a top 50 recruit (not even top 75 for 24/7) and hasn't had a HOLY SH** game yet, just a couple really nice ones. Buzz is a bit slower for guys like that. Look how long it took people to come around to Morant even though he was a revelation as a freshman.
This however is silly. Kent State is...fine. A good team in a mediocre conference. They don't have any good wins, but they don't have any bad losses either. Their best 2 performances, Houston and Gonzaga, they caught good teams on bad nights. They are a good defensive team but not Houston shooting 11% from 3 good. That would have been a bad loss for Houston regardless. They'll finish in the 60s in the NET because they won't run the table in the MAC, they never do and nobody else in the MAC will be top 100.
Now this is just unfair. And also kind of speaks to how well Cal has recruited for so long. Jimbo had 3 good seasons at FSU in a row, including the Natty. His best season at A&M was the weird COVID year and still got smoked by Bama.
Cal has Final Fours at 3 schools (i dont care about sanctions or forfeited wins in this discussion), 6 F4s total, 6 E8s, and 3 S16s. Having more F4s and E8s than S16s, 2nd Rounds, or First rounds, the anti-Bo Ryan. He's more Mack Brown or Jim Tressel than Jimbo.
What can I say - I’ve won a lot of money off Kent state. Hard to ignore those kind of results.
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And yet another low effort, lots of words to say nothing post from you. Par for the course.
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Which top team matches up well with Houston than mr expert ?
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The season for (0-3) Illinois just got a bit tougher.
"Freshman point guard Skyy Clark has left the #Illini program, despite starting 12 of 13 games and ranking 3rd in minutes played."
IIRC Skyy was a target for Shaka at one point. 5 star PG.
https://twitter.com/skyyclark/status/1611482909948497942?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet
Sounds like he's stepping away from basketball entirely for the time being.
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https://twitter.com/skyyclark/status/1611482909948497942?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet
Sounds like he's stepping away from basketball entirely for the time being.
Way to stay classy, Illini fans!
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Which top team matches up well with Houston than mr expert ?
Seems Alabama matches up okay with them. I think Kansas would be a tough test for them as well.
The more compelling argument is that this is a season of parity. It's why there's been so much "who's the best team" debate, and it's ranged from UNC to Texas to Houston to Purdue to UConn to Kansas with Tennessee, UCLA, Arizona, and Alabama all getting mentioned in the same breath.
One more note on Houston, though. They get a ton of extra credit for absolutely bludgeoning weak opposition. It's the same reason Wisconsin was overvalued by kenpom in the past. Not saying they aren't a good team, but when their only wins of substance are St Mary's and Virginia, good but not great teams from mediocre leagues, and most of their other wins are running up scores against inferior competition, it's tough to believe too strongly in them.
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Seems Alabama matches up okay with them. I think Kansas would be a tough test for them as well.
The more compelling argument is that this is a season of parity. It's why there's been so much "who's the best team" debate, and it's ranged from UNC to Texas to Houston to Purdue to UConn to Kansas with Tennessee, UCLA, Arizona, and Alabama all getting mentioned in the same breath.
One more note on Houston, though. They get a ton of extra credit for absolutely bludgeoning weak opposition. It's the same reason Wisconsin was overvalued by kenpom in the past. Not saying they aren't a good team, but when their only wins of substance are St Mary's and Virginia, good but not great teams from mediocre leagues, and most of their other wins are running up scores against inferior competition, it's tough to believe too strongly in them.
Personal opinion alert - sorry mu82, there is no subscription based website that can support this opinion so feel free to invalidate it - Houston has the athletes and defensive scheme to match up with and overpower any team in the country. Sasser is one of the best lead guards in the country. They don’t have a true second option, but every regular guy in their rotation is a competent scorer, which no other team in the country can say (save Marquette :-) ).
I won’t overreact to one game, but as others have granted me, we’re all entitled to our own opinions.
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Houston’s really good. Undoubtedly one of the best teams in the country. Sampson’s done a great job. Wouldn’t be at all surprised if they get to the Final Four.
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Way to stay classy, Illini fans!
The responses to that tweet from the young man are appalling.
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Now this is just unfair. And also kind of speaks to how well Cal has recruited for so long. Jimbo had 3 good seasons at FSU in a row, including the Natty. His best season at A&M was the weird COVID year and still got smoked by Bama.
Cal has Final Fours at 3 schools (i dont care about sanctions or forfeited wins in this discussion), 6 F4s total, 6 E8s, and 3 S16s. Having more F4s and E8s than S16s, 2nd Rounds, or First rounds, the anti-Bo Ryan. He's more Mack Brown or Jim Tressel than Jimbo.
You're downplaying Jimbo at Florida State. He had 7 consecutive seasons finishing in the top 25, including 5 consecutive in the top 15 and 4 of 5 in the top 10 along with a 5-2 record in bowl games. He also made a BSC Bowl in 4/7 seasons which I think is comparable to an Elite 8.
You also need to adjust for longevity. Jimbo's been head coaching 12 years, Cal's been doing it for 32 years (29 in college). And while you don't care about sanctions/forfeited wins, the official record does.
I can't take credit this take. Another scooper sent this article to me (https://theathletic.com/4044709/2022/12/30/kentucky-john-calipari-college-basketball/). I was skeptical when I read the title but when I actually compared their records and read the article, I couldn't disagree.
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Iowa St. with a nice win at TCU.
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Washington St. up 9 at Zona.
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Washington St. up 9 at Zona.
Good Wash St. is one of the unluckiest teams in the country, they are gonna be 7-10 with crazy good efficiency, probably won't make the tournament still
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Baylor lost to K.State at home.
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Baylor lost to K.State at home.
Cost us a seed line
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Cost us a seed line
We need this one Wednesday..
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We need this one Wednesday..
The problem is, if we win, that’ll cost UConn a seed line which hurts the Big East and in turn, hurts Marquette
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The problem is, if we win, that’ll cost UConn a seed line which hurts the Big East and in turn, hurts Marquette
Come again? We need to take control of our destiny right now and starting Wednesday. We can do this.
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Oklahoma beats TTU for their first decent win of the season to move to 10-5. Man, 1.5 years in I’m so thankful to have ended up with Shaka over Moser. OU returned more than Marquette did and ended up in the NIT last year and now sit at a 60 in the NET (last in the B12) and it’s only gonna get more brutal in conference. TT was their first win over a team in the top 75 of the NET.
Shaka has Marquette playing a fantastic high efficiency and high scoring offense and massively overachieving while Oklahoma is 275th in scoring with meh results. Moser does have an unexpectedly good class coming in next year, so maybe it turns around, but starting out with 2 NCAA bids while getting your system and program installed is way more exciting than (likely) 2 NIT bids and sub 20 win seasons
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The problem is, if we win, that’ll cost UConn a seed line which hurts the Big East and in turn, hurts Marquette
Marquette should lose out, to help the Big East, to help Marquette.
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Marquette should lose out, to help the Big East, to help Marquette.
I agree with this analysis
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Chicago Bears logic
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Chicago Bears logic
Nice!
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Come again? We need to take control of our destiny right now and starting Wednesday. We can do this.
C'mon Muggsy! Wake up! Teal is the default color on all of Rico's posts.
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Madison, the team that “always finds a way,” found a way to lose to an Illinois team that’s falling apart at the seams.
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Not D1 related but still thought this was crazy enough to share.
Per Dick Weiss on Twitter:
"Concordia University Chicago, a D III school, postponed two men's games after a hardcore workout sent five players to the hospital. School temporarily removed coach Stev Kollar."
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Madison, the team that “always finds a way,” found a way to lose to an Illinois team that’s falling apart at the seams.
Wisconsin is not that good - still can’t believe we lost to them.
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Yep, bad loss
Wisconsin is not that good - still can’t believe we lost to them.
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Wisconsin is not that good - still can’t believe we lost to them.
Wahl did not play, there for sure not good enough to win without him, Illinois did let Essigian get open something MU did
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Zags win 81-76 vs. Santa Clara and were down 1 with 1:30 left in the game. This after squeaking by San Francisco 77-75 in their previous game.
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Zags win 81-76 vs. Santa Clara and were down 1 with 1:30 left in the game. This after squeaking by San Francisco 77-75 in their previous game.
Santa Clara is a really fun team. Former Wisconsin mr basketball leading them too.
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Hellofa playa, aina?
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Not D1 related but still thought this was crazy enough to share.
Per Dick Weiss on Twitter:
"Concordia University Chicago, a D III school, postponed two men's games after a hardcore workout sent five players to the hospital. School temporarily removed coach Stev Kollar."
Saw that. Speculation that the team skipped curfew on a California trip and the coach was displeased.
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All 12 Big XII teams are KenPom top-40. Watching this league is going to be some fun. A few really good teams won’t be playing in the dance. Bracketologists will know better than me, but is there a case for 10 teams from the league this year?
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Hellofa playa, aina?
Even though he barely played as a freshman, I was advocating pretty hard for Podziemski when I saw he hit the portal. Seemed like Shaka was focused elsewhere, which turned out fine anyway. Besides, MU hasn’t had much success with WI kids in the last decade. Most that I can recall have ended up transferring or the relationship ending poorly.
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Not a good week for Indiana.
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Not a good week for Indiana.
They’re dealing with some injuries, but still haven’t been playing well regardless.
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No kidding. Wife the Hoosier fan is not shy about acting out her displeasure.
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No kidding. Wife the Hoosier fan is not shy about acting out her displeasure.
You can come and visit me for a while if you would like.
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Jalen Pickett. Sheesh. Electric city
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All 12 Big XII teams are KenPom top-40. Watching this league is going to be some fun. A few really good teams won’t be playing in the dance. Bracketologists will know better than me, but is there a case for 10 teams from the league this year?
I've heard the argument made, but I think 7 is most likely, and 6 more likely than 8. Unless everyone is finishing 8-10 or better (mathematically possibly, but unlikely) teams will just take on too many regular season losses. 17-15 or 16-16 just isn't likely to get in.
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4 BE teams currently in KenPom top 20.
2 B12 teams.
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Duke has no business being ranked.
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Duke has no business being ranked.
Why?
Two of their four losses are Q1A. They have no bad losses. They have three Q1 wins.
Frankly, their resume is better than Marquette’s. Their metrics only slightly worse.
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Soon to be unemployed.
https://www.mlive.com/news/2023/01/repeated-use-of-n-word-by-michigan-college-hoops-coach-prompts-player-boycott.html
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Soon to be unemployed.
https://www.mlive.com/news/2023/01/repeated-use-of-n-word-by-michigan-college-hoops-coach-prompts-player-boycott.html
*re watches Michael Scott impersonation of Chris rock
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Why?
Two of their four losses are Q1A. They have no bad losses. They have three Q1 wins.
Frankly, their resume is better than Marquette’s. Their metrics only slightly worse.
They're sinking fast.
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They're sinking fast.
It may take another year, probably two for them to slide lower, considering the talent that they have. Remember all that "Duke North" talk when Wojo came on board? Maybe in the next few years they can be referred to as "Marquette South". ;D
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Madison leads Michigan State by 1 midway through the 2nd half playing without Wahl. I don't know how they do it.
Hauser has 13 and 6 while getting boo'd everytime he touches the rock.
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If this score holds (still 10 minutes left), Kentucky losing by double digits to a brutal South Carolina team at home would be very no bueno for an already underachieving UK team.
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If this score holds (still 10 minutes left), Kentucky losing by double digits to a brutal South Carolina team at home would be very no bueno for an already underachieving UK team.
They'd be on the outside looking in.
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If this score holds (still 10 minutes left), Kentucky losing by double digits to a brutal South Carolina team at home would be very no bueno for an already underachieving UK team.
Hook ‘em.
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Hook ‘em.
I see what you did. Well done.
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Feels gross rooting for Michigan State, but they beat Madison!
Kentucky going to lose to South Carolina.
Kansas State and Oklahoma State in a 1 point game on ESPNU. Good session of hoops.
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Ty Mich St.
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Ty Mich St.
Hurts Marquette’s seeding
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Good result out of Madison. MSU 69 and UW 65.
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Hurts Marquette’s seeding
Spin zone. Notre Dame beat Michigan State. Maybe not?
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Spin zone. Notre Dame beat Michigan State. Maybe not?
Nope. This drops Marquette a seed at least. That loss to UW-Madison is bad news.
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Get your Extend Ewing posts ready, Georgetown is winning tonight.
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Good result out of Madison. MSU 69 and UW 65.
Would love to see that loss to UW drop to Q3 for MU.
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Kent state shuts down one of the best mid major offenses tonight and rolls on tonight.
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Kentucky is big big trouble if they want to make the tourney
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Get your Extend Ewing posts ready, Georgetown is winning tonight.
Seton hall win by 10 confirmed.
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Nope. This drops Marquette a seed at least. That loss to UW-Madison is bad news.
?? Lol
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Big game for Joey. 20 points 8 rebounds and 0 assists. Playing the game the right way!
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Nope. This drops Marquette a seed at least. That loss to UW-Madison is bad news.
I root for the Weasel-Rodents to lose every game as do MU fans.
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?? Lol
Consider the source
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Kentucky is big big trouble if they want to make the tourney
Shaka to Kentucky
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Get your Extend Ewing posts ready, Georgetown is winning tonight.
It's tied at halftime. True to form.
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Shaka to Kentucky
Running to apply.
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DePaul beating Nova right now. Neptune has had a real rough start, much worse than Scheyer’s.
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It's tied at halftime. True to form.
Seton Hall up 6 already at the under 16:00
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Seton Hall up 6 already at the under 16:00
Just unbelievable how wrong one person can be over and over again.
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I root for the Weasel-Rodents to lose every game as do MU fans.
amen. Better DEAD, than RED
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Seton Hall up 6 already at the under 16:00
Hall by 11 with 6:00 to go. G'Town amazingly consistent.
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Hall by 11 with 6:00 to go. G'Town amazingly consistent.
Had a 17-11 lead with like 5 minutes left in the 1st half and then it looked like they just stopped trying. Seton Hall looks pretty terrible as well.
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Nope. This drops Marquette a seed at least. That loss to UW-Madison is bad news.
Like a 10 ton anchor
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Hall by 11 with 6:00 to go. G'Town amazingly consistent.
As much as I enjoy the suffering of Hoya fans, Georgetown turning into DePaul 2.0 is bad for the league as a whole. Their administration may not care about basketball anymore, but they need to field a competitive team for purposes of the next TV contract.
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As much as I enjoy the suffering of Hoya fans, Georgetown turning into DePaul 2.0 is bad for the league as a whole. Their administration may not care about basketball anymore, but they need to field a competitive team for purposes of the next TV contract.
Hall +15 and sending in the walk-ons.
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As much as I enjoy the suffering of Hoya fans, Georgetown turning into DePaul 2.0 is bad for the league as a whole. Their administration may not care about basketball anymore, but they need to field a competitive team for purposes of the next TV contract.
It might be in the best interest for them to be so bad there’s really no other choice. Although that threshold might have been crossed last year.
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Nova down by 6 to DePaul with 1 1/2 min to go.
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Hall +15 and sending in the walk-ons.
Mistake
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I don't know how they do it.
They don't.
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Running to apply.
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Incredible.
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Crean sucks
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Kentucky loses at home71-68 to South Carolina, a 19.5 point underdog. I love it! I have always hated UK since Al's fight with Rupp. Their fans and current coach are absolutely obnoxious.
Edit: Allegedly, a fan was escorted out of Rupp Arena for holding up a sign that said "Please go to Texas."
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MU alum Craig Pintens with a tournament expansion idea, which also involves eliminating the NIT.
https://athleticdirectoru.com/articles/more-of-a-great-thing-expansion-to-96-teams-in-the-ncaa-basketball-tournament/
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MU alum Craig Pintens with a tournament expansion idea, which also involves eliminating the NIT.
https://athleticdirectoru.com/articles/more-of-a-great-thing-expansion-to-96-teams-in-the-ncaa-basketball-tournament/
“ Eliminate the First Four in Dayton, as it is no longer needed”
Say no more, I’m sold.
The only way 96 works for me is if it’s more equitable with regards to inclusion of smaller schools. For example, enforcing 2 bids for most conferences (champion and conf tournament champion) and just have those teams all play-in games the first round.
Expanding the at-large pool to any significant degree would be terrible for any true college basketball fan as the regular season would lose way too much meaning. That’s just my wishful thinking though. It’s being expanded to get those extra high major schools in who had crappy seasons.
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MU alum Craig Pintens with a tournament expansion idea, which also involves eliminating the NIT.
https://athleticdirectoru.com/articles/more-of-a-great-thing-expansion-to-96-teams-in-the-ncaa-basketball-tournament/
All in on a flaccid bubble
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“ Eliminate the First Four in Dayton, as it is no longer needed”
Say no more, I’m sold.
The only way 96 works for me is if it’s more equitable with regards to inclusion of smaller schools. For example, enforcing 2 bids for most conferences (champion and conf tournament champion) and just have those teams all play-in games the first round.
Expanding the at-large pool to any significant degree would be terrible for any true college basketball fan as the regular season would lose way too much meaning. That’s just my wishful thinking though. It’s being expanded to get those extra high major schools in who had crappy seasons.
Exactly - expanding is all about getting more P5 schools into the tournament. I have no desire to see .500 teams from P5 conferences getting in just because.
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“ Eliminate the First Four in Dayton, as it is no longer needed”
Say no more, I’m sold.
The only way 96 works for me is if it’s more equitable with regards to inclusion of smaller schools. For example, enforcing 2 bids for most conferences (champion and conf tournament champion) and just have those teams all play-in games the first round.
Expanding the at-large pool to any significant degree would be terrible for any true college basketball fan as the regular season would lose way too much meaning. That’s just my wishful thinking though. It’s being expanded to get those extra high major schools in who had crappy seasons.
Exactly - expanding is all about getting more P5 schools into the tournament. I have no desire to see .500 teams from P5 conferences getting in just because.
Remember that Pintens is not a Power 6 AD. He used the NCAA seed list to come up with this, and only 11/28 additional teams came from Power 6 conferences. And they would never guaranty two teams from currently one bid leagues - why would their regular season champion even play in the conference tournament then?
But he is right about one thing...having those teams in the NCAA instead of the NIT is going to draw more eyeballs.
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Remember that Pintens is not a Power 6 AD. He used the NCAA seed list to come up with this, and only 11/28 additional teams came from Power 6 conferences. And they would never guaranty two teams from currently one bid leagues - why would their regular season champion even play in the conference tournament then?
I am not a fan of the made for TV conference tournaments. With the exception of the Big East, most games are played at empty arenas, at not convenient viewing times without any excitement. Most of the games are rock fights, with officials trying to improve their ref ratings to get in the Dance (aka, James Breeding at the review monitor at every whistle).
I know it's for TV $$ but it is not typically quality entertainment. There are exceptions but considering all the lackluster games, these are few.
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This is also a chance for the NCAA to renegotiate their TV contract that as everyone has said is outdated.
The more money they make the less likely 2-4 mega conferences in the future form their own tournament because they are already making max dollars.
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I am not a fan of the made for TV conference tournaments. With the exception of the Big East, most games are played at empty arenas, at not convenient viewing times without any excitement. Most of the games are rock fights, with officials trying to improve their ref ratings to get in the Dance (aka, James Breeding at the review monitor at every whistle).
I know it's for TV $$ but it is not typically quality entertainment. There are exceptions but considering all the lackluster games, these are few.
The low and mid-majors bringing the tournaments on campus has made those way more exciting than the neutral site HM ones (except for the BE, as you said).
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Central Michigan gave up a bucket to a guy holding a shoe in 1 hand. Don't see that every day.
https://twitter.com/MrMatthewCFB/status/1613036651713888256?t=SjZFzs0T_oGkisc-8HqGuA&s=19
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At least they beat Michigan.
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Shaka is all over Mi Sun Jon in the transfer portal I hear.
Central Michigan gave up a bucket to a guy holding a shoe in 1 hand. Don't see that every day.
https://twitter.com/MrMatthewCFB/status/1613036651713888256?t=SjZFzs0T_oGkisc-8HqGuA&s=19
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Kentucky loses at home71-68 to South Carolina, a 19.5 point underdog. I love it! I have always hated UK since Al's fight with Rupp. Their fans and current coach are absolutely obnoxious.
Edit: Allegedly, a fan was escorted out of Rupp Arena for holding up a sign that said "Please go to Texas."
Apparently a loud minority of fans booed Calipari.
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Crean sucks
As does No Dick
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As does No Dick
"willie" with his apparently mandatory penis reference
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Just mentioned on CBS Sports Network prior to the Marquette game.
TCU is 0-45 on the road against Top 10 teams. That seems crazy!
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They must have felt Georgia was a road game.
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"willie" with his apparently mandatory penis reference
He’s probably referring to the Notre Dame women’s basketball team which has two national championships
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Houston’s big 6-point home win over mighty South Florida proves that Houston is BY FAR the best team in the country.
Houston was a 23.5-point favorite, but whatevs.
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National college basketball analysts are starting to tap Alabama as #1 in the nation, and the team is making a pretty solid case for itself.
In addition to winning pretty comfortably at Arkansas last night, Bama has won at Houston and has beaten then-top-ranked UNC and then-12th-ranked Michigan State. It is 14-2, including 4-0 in the loaded SEC, with 5 straight wins. Its only losses were to Gonzaga and UConn (when the Huskies were on a roll). Brandon Miller is a stud, and he is surrounded by numerous outstanding players.
Helluva job by Nate Oats.
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National college basketball analysts are starting to tap Alabama as #1 in the nation, and the team is making a pretty solid case for itself.
In addition to winning pretty comfortably at Arkansas last night, Bama has won at Houston and has beaten then-top-ranked UNC and then-12th-ranked Michigan State. It is 14-2, including 4-0 in the loaded SEC, with 5 straight wins. Its only losses were to Gonzaga and UConn (when the Huskies were on a roll). Brandon Miller is a stud, and he is surrounded by numerous outstanding players.
Helluva job by Nate Oats.
Kentucky should be on the horn to his agent negotiating a contract
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Kentucky should be on the horn to his agent negotiating a contract
Does he have to leave Alabama to be rich, happy and a perennial Final Four contender?
I don't know Nate Oats one iota, but maybe he wouldn't want to be at a place where the fans boo the coach after the coach has brought the program to the level Calipari has. And I don't know what Bama can pay him, but I'm guessing the answer is "lots."
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National college basketball analysts are starting to tap Alabama as #1 in the nation, and the team is making a pretty solid case for itself.
In addition to winning pretty comfortably at Arkansas last night, Bama has won at Houston and has beaten then-top-ranked UNC and then-12th-ranked Michigan State. It is 14-2, including 4-0 in the loaded SEC, with 5 straight wins. Its only losses were to Gonzaga and UConn (when the Huskies were on a roll). Brandon Miller is a stud, and he is surrounded by numerous outstanding players.
Helluva job by Nate Oats.
I would agree. Actually good team with actually good resume.
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Does he have to leave Alabama to be rich, happy and a perennial Final Four contender?
I don't know Nate Oats one iota, but maybe he wouldn't want to be at a place where the fans boo the coach after the coach has brought the program to the level Calipari has. And I don't know what Bama can pay him, but I'm guessing the answer is "lots."
It’s a better job than Alabama. He’ll always be second fiddle to the football program, even if he wins a national title. Kentucky still has gravitas in the sport
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It’s a better job than Alabama. He’ll always be second fiddle to the football program, even if he wins a national title. Kentucky still has gravitas in the sport
Money + lack of stress = happiness
Money + dickhead UK fans = probable sadness
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Money + lack of stress = happiness
Money + dickhead UK fans = probable sadness
Egos - reality = college basketball coaches
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Does he have to leave Alabama to be rich, happy and a perennial Final Four contender?
I don't know Nate Oats one iota, but maybe he wouldn't want to be at a place where the fans boo the coach after the coach has brought the program to the level Calipari has. And I don't know what Bama can pay him, but I'm guessing the answer is "lots."
Alabama could pay him “lots” for sure. The only ceiling? Something less than they pay Saban.
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I know what Rico is saying. The lure of the big job is too tempting for most. But there have been many coaches throughout history who have been happy staying where they are -- we had one in the Big East in Jay Wright, whose name regularly surfaced in the rumor mill whenever a "big" job opened up. We had both Shaka and Crean saying they came to realize that the grass isn't always greener.
As I said, I don't know Oats. But there are coaches who could be quite happy earning Kentucky-level money (or at least very near Kentucky-level money) and experience Kentucky-level success without Kentucky-level headaches.
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Does he have to leave Alabama to be rich, happy and a perennial Final Four contender?
I don't know Nate Oats one iota, but maybe he wouldn't want to be at a place where the fans boo the coach after the coach has brought the program to the level Calipari has. And I don't know what Bama can pay him, but I'm guessing the answer is "lots."
People at Bama seem to think he would stay for now and not take UK and that the job he would take would be MSU as a potential Izzo replacement when that time comes.
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Alabama could pay him “lots” for sure. The only ceiling? Something less than they pay Saban.
True. But if Oats wants to stay at Bama, he will be there a lot longer than Saban.
So then I guess the ceiling would be "less than they pay Dabo."
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People at Bama seem to think he would stay for now and not take UK and that the job he would take would be MSU as a potential Izzo replacement when that time comes.
I know some Watertown folks who say Michigan over Michigan State
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(6-8) Minnesota up 60-53 at (10-5) Ohio State with 7 minutes left.
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(6-8) Minnesota up 60-53 at (10-5) Ohio State with 7 minutes left.
Dawson missed 3 free throws down the stretch and their PG missed the front end of a 1 and 1. Tied with 9 seconds left.
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Dawson missed 3 free throws down the stretch and their PG missed the front end of a 1 and 1. Tied with 9 seconds left.
And now another miss. 1.7 seconds left with a 2nd free throw coming after the timeout. So many missed free throws. Yikes.
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Yikes. Minnesota winned
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28 and 9 for Garcia.
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28 and 9 for Garcia.
Helluva player, aina?
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Helluva player, aina?
He would be if he were a slow white guy from Stevens Point.
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Yikes. Minnesota winned
That will drop Ohio St behind Marquette in the NET. Losing at home as 14.5 point favorite is not good for the ol' computer numbers.
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DG with good numbers but a terrible defender. Could never play for Shaka.
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Driftwood, aina?
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DG with good numbers but a terrible defender. Could never play for Shaka.
Happy he’s doing well, but he’s still soft at the rim.
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Man, ya wanna avoid dat like da plague, aina?
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Here's The Athletic's Kyle Tucker in his "mailbag" column on where Kentucky might turn if Calipari is fired or (more likely) leaves for Texas:
Cal to Texas seems to have some smoke around it. If it comes true, who does Barnhart call right at this moment to be the next coach? — Wyatt J.
Scott Drew, followed by Scott Drew, and then one more call to Scott Drew. I’m not saying that would necessarily be my list, but I’m fairly confident it is Barnhart’s. The 52-year-old Baylor boss, a strong recruiter and three-time Big 12 Coach of the Year who won a national title in 2021 is Barnhart’s dream candidate. The question is whether he’d leave the peace and pressure-free life of coaching basketball in Waco, Texas, for the intense scrutiny of Kentucky. And if not, who’s next on the list?
I believe Barnhart would at least make Brad Stevens tell him no. He led Butler to a pair of Final Fours, coached the Boston Celtics for eight years and is now the president of basketball operations in Boston — but is still just 46. That one feels like a very long shot, same as 61-year-old Jay Wright, who retired in April after leading Villanova to a fourth Final Four. But I’d also make Wright tell me no before moving on to anyone else.
My educated guess is there’s no way Barnhart would hire Bruce Pearl or Eric Musselman, whose names would nevertheless end up on every “hot board” if the job came open. I’m not sure he’s a fan of Nate Oats’ brash style either, but Barnhart should set that aside and put the Alabama coach high on his list of candidates. Because that dude can coach. And recruit. And plays a style that would energize the fan base. Oats also talks a pretty good game and isn’t afraid of anybody, which would serve him well in a place like this.
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Here's my Marquette-related question:
If the feeling is that guys like Oats or Drew -- or anybody, really -- would never turn down the lure of the big time at Kentucky even though they know it's a pressure-cooker, why wouldn't Shaka take the job if asked?
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Tubby Smith and how he was treated.
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To take a line from a poster around here, I will eat my hat if either Wright or Stevens takes the UK job.
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Tubby Smith and how he was treated.
Great answer!
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Driftwood, aina?
Sorry to hear doc
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Yikes. Minnesota winned
Fts
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The Zags dodge another bullet, 75-74 over BYU.
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Tubby Smith and how he was treated.
Sure. Logical. But some say money and prestige trumps any possible negatives. "It'll be different for me ... and that's a lot of money. And, well ... It's Kentucky! It's Kentucky!"
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To take a limefrom a poster around here, I will eat my hat if either Wright or Stevens takes the UK job.
Well, the lime would make your hat taste better.
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Sure. Logical. But some say money and prestige trumps any possible negatives. "It'll be different for me ... and that's a lot of money. And, well ... It's Kentucky! It's Kentucky!"
TC & I4, hey
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Sure. Logical. But some say money and prestige trumps any possible negatives. "It'll be different for me ... and that's a lot of money. And, well ... It's Kentucky! It's Kentucky!"
I’d be concerned if Shaka hadn’t done Texas already. And if Barnhart doesn’t like Oats style of play, I doubt he’d like Shaka’s style of play.
Honestly, it’s probably Greg Gurd’s job to lose
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Bart Lundy seems to have UWM back on track. That league is a shell of what it was, but still an impressive job so far.
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OTOH, UWGB is absolutely terrible. Bo's kid is way over his head.
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OTOH, UWGB is absolutely terrible. Bo's kid is way over his head.
It bums me out to see how far that program has fallen.
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I’d be concerned if Shaka hadn’t done Texas already.
See, that's what I'm saying, Unk. Some coaches, whether they tried the "big powerful school" thing and found it to be a poor fit (Shaka), or whether they simply like where they are (Wright, Few) won't be interested in Kentucky, no matter how glamorous or high-paying.
Now, I don't know squat about what Oats or Drew would think about all that. Both surely know they don't "need" Kentucky for any reason. Doesn't mean they won't take the job if offered, though.
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I had a conversation yesterday with someone who is very good friends with Drew. He'd doesn't think Scott leaves Baylor, hey?
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I had a conversation yesterday with someone who is very good friends with Drew. He'd doesn't think Scott leaves Baylor, hey?
Why should he? He has everything he needs there. Can win national titles. Big fish in small pond. Much less pressure. Makes $$$$$$$$$$.
Unless it's always been his life goal to coach a blueblood, it really makes little sense to leave Baylor for Kentucky.
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Gosh Nads, wee actually agree on somethin', hey?
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Tubby Smith and how he was treated.
Also Texas, and how Shaka was treated.
He recruited how they wanted, played how they wanted, and had his best team ever with a Big 12 tourney title in hand and they were still ready to nudge him out. If what he did wasn't good enough for a football school like Texas, imagine how Kentucky would treat him if he wasn't cutting nets every couple years.
The best thing that happened to Marquette was Shaka turning us down in 2014 so he could take Texas the next year. I truly believe that.
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I had a conversation yesterday with someone who is very good friends with Drew. He'd doesn't think Scott leaves Baylor, hey?
This doesn’t surprise me. Maybe if he hadn’t won it all, he might be tempted but not sure what the appeal of Kentucky would be to a coach who has won it all.
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Chris Beard.
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Chris Beard.
He's shown he's willing to fight for things.
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He's shown he's willing to fight for things.
Check your inbox.
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Also Texas, and how Shaka was treated.
He recruited how they wanted, played how they wanted, and had his best team ever with a Big 12 tourney title in hand and they were still ready to nudge him out. If what he did wasn't good enough for a football school like Texas, imagine how Kentucky would treat him if he wasn't cutting nets every couple years.
The best thing that happened to Marquette was Shaka turning us down in 2014 so he could take Texas the next year. I truly believe that.
Agree on 2014.
Kentucky fans are obnoxious, insufferable, and intolerant of any coach losing a single game. I get the "but its Kentucky" argument, but at some point, the fame and money simply is not enough. I think Shaka is at that point.
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I grew up in Kentucky and still have lots of friends there. It is a truly unique basketball state. Tubby Smith was never liked there but not entirely for racial reasons. His teams were never very exciting and neither was he, though a very solid coach. If Calipari leaves, which is doubtful in my opinion, UK will throw a lot of money at the coach they want. It will be a hard job to turn down. Yes, there is a lot of pressure, but Lexington is a great town. And, the pressure is no different than being the football coach at Alabama, LSU, or Ohio State.
UK is also the kind of place that would definitely look at hiring Chris Beard. Yes, he is seriously flawed now, but, after all, we are talking about Kentucky and basketball.
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Also Texas, and how Shaka was treated.
He recruited how they wanted, played how they wanted, and had his best team ever with a Big 12 tourney title in hand and they were still ready to nudge him out. If what he did wasn't good enough for a football school like Texas, imagine how Kentucky would treat him if he wasn't cutting nets every couple years.
The best thing that happened to Marquette was Shaka turning us down in 2014 so he could take Texas the next year. I truly believe that.
My buddies and I were talking about exactly that a few days ago. He'd have taken the Marquette job but almost surely as a stepping stone for whatever he perceived as his "dream job." And we'd have been looking for our next coach 4-6 years later, still carrying the stepping-stone label.
We had to endure Wojo, but in the long run it will have been well worth it to have been rejected by Mrs. Shaka in 2014.
Tubby Smith was never liked there but not entirely for racial reasons.
Well, as long as it wasn't entirely for racial reasons!
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My buddies and I were talking about exactly that a few days ago. He'd have taken the Marquette job but almost surely as a stepping stone for whatever he perceived as his "dream job." And we'd have been looking for our next coach 4-6 years later, still carrying the stepping-stone label.
We had to endure Wojo, but in the long run it will have been well worth it to have been rejected by Mrs. Shaka in 2014.
Well, as long as it wasn't entirely for racial reasons!
Yeah, LOL was going to point that out.
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Maybe one day Shaka decides he wants to try again at a bigger school. That day is not anytime soon IMHO
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Maybe one day Shaka decides he wants to try again at a bigger school. That day is not anytime soon IMHO
Maybe.
But if he can regularly take Marquette to second weekends (and hopefully beyond once or thrice!), and if the administration continues to pour $$$ into the program, he might have little incentive to do so. He could be our Jay Wright.
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Also Texas, and how Shaka was treated.
He recruited how they wanted, played how they wanted, and had his best team ever with a Big 12 tourney title in hand and they were still ready to nudge him out. If what he did wasn't good enough for a football school like Texas, imagine how Kentucky would treat him if he wasn't cutting nets every couple years.
The best thing that happened to Marquette was Shaka turning us down in 2014 so he could take Texas the next year. I truly believe that.
I don't think Shaka had a very good run at Texas. I honestly don't blame them for wanting to make a change and I'm very grateful that they were ready to move on.
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I don't think Shaka had a very good run at Texas. I honestly don't blame them for wanting to make a change and I'm very grateful that they were ready to move on.
He wasn't great there, he was okay. But they expect NCs with top-5 recruiting classes, and that isn't his game. Had they stuck with him and Nevada, I think they would've turned it around, but I'm glad they didn't.
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Shaka in 6 years at Texas. .559 winning %, .477 winning % in conference
Wojo in 7 years at MU .574 winning %, .465 winning % in conference
Same number of NCAA tourney wins.
I am glad Shaka is at MU. Let us not pretend that Texas was sorry to see him go.
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I am glad Shaka is at MU. Let us not pretend that Texas was sorry to see him go.
I don't think anyone said otherwise. I only said it was good for us that he went there before he came here. In the long run, I think there's a fair chance they come to believe it was a mistake to let him go.
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Shaka in 6 years at Texas. .559 winning %, .477 winning % in conference
Wojo in 7 years at MU .574 winning %, .465 winning % in conference
Same number of NCAA tourney wins.
I am glad Shaka is at MU. Let us not pretend that Texas was sorry to see him go.
Two things that needed each other
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I am glad Shaka is at MU. Let us not pretend that Texas was sorry to see him go.
What thread are you reading? I am sorry if I missed, or misread, some posts, but I haven't see any post even hint that about Texas.
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Watching Wisconsin vs Indiana is quite a contrast to the typical Marquette game.
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Watching Wisconsin vs Indiana is quite a contrast to the typical Marquette game.
I switched to it because I was tired of watching bricks in SH-DPU game. This is somehow worse
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I switched to it because I was tired of watching bricks in SH-DPU game. This is somehow worse
You really have to feel for Jay Wright.
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Watching Wisconsin vs Indiana is quite a contrast to the typical Marquette game.
My goodness this is terrible. Brick after brick.
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My goodness this is terrible. Brick after brick.
It’s great defense
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It’s great defense
Is it? Lotta open shots just clanking everywhere.
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UK/Tenn is the game to be watching
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Is it? Lotta open shots just clanking everywhere.
Learn the game
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Is it? Lotta open shots just clanking everywhere.
First to 40?
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Learn the game
Your going to have to say that louder if you want to be heard in Bloomington.
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You really have to feel for Jay Wright.
Why?
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UK/Tenn is the game to be watching
...when the DePaul/Seton Hall game goes to commercial.
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...when the DePaul/Seton Hall game goes to commercial.
Uhhh no.
This is a considerably better basketball game
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I know they have to do it, and I don’t have any solutions, but as a viewer it’s brutally boring how often officials go to look at replays in the final minute of college basketball games.
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Does Wisconsin get to 40 today? 20pts w/ about 15 min left.
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Same old rick Barnes.
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Does Wisconsin get to 40 today? 20pts w/ about 15 min left.
Really sucks we couldn’t pull that game out; Bucky really sucks.
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Really sucks we couldn’t pull that game out; Bucky really sucks.
We might be in the territory of preferring they stop sucking
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We might be in the territory of preferring they stop sucking
I will never reach that point. Our metrics will be fine even if Bucky crashes and burns.
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Correct. MU's tourney chances are no longer affected by Wisconsin. If that ends up being MU's worst loss.... meh.
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Correct. MU's tourney chances are no longer affected by Wisconsin. If that ends up being MU's worst loss.... meh.
After our last few trips to the tournament, I think matchup is much more important than seeding. Just enjoying the ride right now.
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Really sucks we couldn’t pull that game out; Bucky really sucks.
BAD LOSS.
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Alabama just running circles around LSU.
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Also, Brandon Miller is so good
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No shame in losing to bama
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No shame in losing to bama
Yeah, Bama is much better than Houston
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AP #25 Charleston is trailing Elon by 2 at the half.
Elon has 0 D1 wins this year and is 346 in KenPom.
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AP #25 Charleston is trailing Elon by 2 at the half.
Elon has 0 D1 wins this year and is 346 in KenPom.
Which Elon is having a rougher year?
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Which Elon is having a rougher year?
One of them was able to get paid to show up at venues
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Buy game?
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Yeah, Bama is much better than Houston
But are they far and away better ?
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U know who really $ucks ?
( besides Georgetown) … both
G. Tech and ND !
They are a combined 2 - 11 in the ACC.
Sheez
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U know who really $ucks ?
( besides Georgetown) … both
G. Tech and ND !
They are a combined 2 - 11 in the ACC.
Sheez
By default too. Somehow Georgia Tech beat Top 15 Miami and then Notre Dame beat Georgia Tech. Someone had to win that one.
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I never expected Iowa St. to be this good without Hunter. That was a terrible shot though in the final possession.
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AP #25 Charleston is trailing Elon by 2 at the half.
Elon has 0 D1 wins this year and is 346 in KenPom.
We're #25 in AP.
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We're #25 in AP.
And Charleston won by 18.
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I never expected Iowa St. to be this good without Hunter. That was a terrible shot though in the final possession.
They’re better without him. The offense is better and more efficient. Iowa State wasn’t all that good last year with him.
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We're #25 in AP.
Oops #22.
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But are they far and away better ?
Nicely done.
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Nicely done.
What’s the point of posting here if you can’t have some fun?!
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What’s the point of posting here if you can’t have some fun?!
To own the libs.
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What’s the point of posting here if you can’t have some fun?!
To get the nickname changed back.
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To impress women.
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To own the libs.
That’s wrong - the libs own themselves.
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Unless AZ has a bunch of injuries I don't know about (entirely possible), how do they lose by 19 to Oregon? Very good teams get upset all the time, but by 19 to Oregon?!?
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Wow.....lots of upsets today.
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Whoever gets Brandon Miller will be getting a total steal.
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Wow.....lots of upsets today.
Conference play
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Whoever gets Brandon Miller will be getting a total steal.
Agree. Total stud.
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Scheyer sucks
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Alabama player Darius Miles charged with murder.
@ThisBenFlanagan: One of the two suspects charged with capital murder is Alabama basketball player Darius Miles https://twitter.com/robinsoncarol/status/1614680149710053377
https://www.si.com/college/alabama/bamacentral/darius-miles-charged-with-capital-murder
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Holy !#$&@@*
Alabama forward Darius Miles charged with capital murder after shooting
Alabama men's basketball player Darius Miles and another man have been charged with capital murder in connection with an early-morning shooting near campus that killed a 23-year-old woman.
Miles was booked into the Tuscaloosa County Jail around 6:45 p.m. ET on Sunday, an official with the jail told ESPN. In a statement Sunday, the university said that Miles, a junior reserve forward from Washington, D.C, is no longer on the team.
"At this time, it appears that the only motive was a minor altercation that these individuals had with the victim as they were out on The Strip,'' Kennedy said in a news conference Sunday evening.
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Alabama player Darius Miles charged with murder.
@ThisBenFlanagan: One of the two suspects charged with capital murder is Alabama basketball player Darius Miles https://twitter.com/robinsoncarol/status/1614680149710053377
https://www.si.com/college/alabama/bamacentral/darius-miles-charged-with-capital-murder
Uhhhh.....wtf?
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Uhhhh.....wtf?
Basically 2nd amendment which isn't what most US citizens think it is.
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So … in the SEC it takes
MURDER to get you kicked off the team
Well … at least we have that clarified
JFC
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Kentucky loses at home71-68 to South Carolina, a 19.5 point underdog. I love it! I have always hated UK since Al's fight with Rupp. Their fans and current coach are absolutely obnoxious.
Edit: Allegedly, a fan was escorted out of Rupp Arena for holding up a sign that said "Please go to Texas."
https://nypost.com/2023/01/11/john-caliparis-sad-kentucky-season-fan-kicked-out-for-texas-sign/
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Wonder if the Darius Miles situation will impact Nate Oats ability to move on to a position like Texas or Kentucky if they were to open this offseason.
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These Purdue Freshman are ridiculously poised.
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What Zach Edey just did is basically unguardable.
https://twitter.com/CBBonFOX/status/1615103203841908739?t=KE_WUbMKZYJZiCjlt1nzcg&s=19
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Need a Clanigan or a Nunge to have a chance.
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Fun game between Sparty and Purdue, though the last minute took about a half-hour to play.
Walker was sensational late for MSU, though he missed what would have been an absolutely incredible shot at the end. Cool as a cucumber freshman Fletcher Loyer just about matched Walker point-for-point down the stretch. Edey was unstoppable, though he did miss from close in with a couple minutes to go.
There was one replay review I didn't really understand. The ball was called off MSU. The refs looked at the replay, which was inconclusive -- looked like it might have grazed Edey's fingertips but very hard to say for certain. Rather than say, "Inconclusive, so the call stays Purdue ball," they called it a jumpball; the alternate possession arrow pointed to Purdue. But the result wasn't quite the same, as if there had been another held ball, Sparty would have gotten it.
Walker got called for a cheap foul late -- it wasn't even ticky tack, just a bad call. Izzo responded with 2 F-bombs right at the ref, but there wasn't gonna be a T at that stage.
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What Zach Edey just did is basically unguardable.
https://twitter.com/CBBonFOX/status/1615103203841908739?t=KE_WUbMKZYJZiCjlt1nzcg&s=19
He might make an NBA roster? I'm not sure his game can work at that level.
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Fun game between Sparty and Purdue, though the last minute took about a half-hour to play.
Walker was sensational late for MSU, though he missed what would have been an absolutely incredible shot at the end. Cool as a cucumber freshman Fletcher Loyer just about matched Walker point-for-point down the stretch. Edey was unstoppable, though he did miss from close in with a couple minutes to go.
There was one replay review I didn't really understand. The ball was called off MSU. The refs looked at the replay, which was inconclusive -- looked like it might have grazed Edey's fingertips but very hard to say for certain. Rather than say, "Inconclusive, so the call stays Purdue ball," they called it a jumpball; the alternate possession arrow pointed to Purdue. But the result wasn't quite the same, as if there had been another held ball, Sparty would have gotten it.
Walker got called for a cheap foul late -- it wasn't even ticky tack, just a bad call. Izzo responded with 2 F-bombs right at the ref, but there wasn't gonna be a T at that stage.
Izzo let someone shoot the ball 23 times?!?!? In a game where they had 53 shots???
Weird
And only 12 assists on 23 makes?!?!?
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Penn State hasn't won in Madison since 1995. Hoping that changes tomorrow.
If UW keeps losing but sneaks into the tournament as like and 11 or 12, would the committee ever match us up with them in a 1st round game?
Could be a 5/12 or 6/11 matchup if trends continue.
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Penn State hasn't won in Madison since 1995. Hoping that changes tomorrow.
If UW keeps losing but sneaks into the tournament as like and 11 or 12, would the committee ever match us up with them in a 1st round game?
Could be a 5/12 or 6/11 matchup if trends continue.
Who cares
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Who cares
I'd love to get a rematch with the Red team. That's why.
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I'd love to get a rematch with the Red team. That's why.
🙄
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I'd love to get a rematch with the Red team. That's why.
Might have to go to the NIT for that.
;D
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Might have to go to the NIT for that.
;D
Fair!
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I'd love to get a rematch with the Red team. That's why.
You have said multiple times that Madison "always gets it done." Why would you want your favorite team to play an NCAA tournament opponent that never fails to get it done?
Izzo let someone shoot the ball 23 times?!?!? In a game where they had 53 shots???
Weird
And only 12 assists on 23 makes?!?!?
Their previous game, they had only 4 assists all game, so they're improving. It also could be home scorekeeping that even got them to 12 this time. Walker has never met a shot he doesn't like -- he had the ball a ton and had zero assists. He's averaging fewer than 3 assists even though he leads the team in minutes played.
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You have said multiple times that Madison "always gets it done." Why would you want your favorite team to play an NCAA tournament opponent that never fails to get it done?
Their previous game, they had only 4 assists all game, so they're improving. It also could be home scorekeeping that even got them to 12 this time. Walker has never met a shot he doesn't like -- he had the ball a ton and had zero assists. He's averaging fewer than 3 assists even though he leads the team in minutes played.
Huh
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Huh
That was for GE03. He repeatedly has shown undying admiration for the basketball program in the state that "always gets it done."
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That was for GE03. He repeatedly has shown undying admiration for the basketball program in the state that "always gets it done."
Whoops. Responded to the wrong one
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You have said multiple times that Madison "always gets it done." Why would you want your favorite team to play an NCAA tournament opponent that never fails to get it done?
Their previous game, they had only 4 assists all game, so they're improving. It also could be home scorekeeping that even got them to 12 this time. Walker has never met a shot he doesn't like -- he had the ball a ton and had zero assists. He's averaging fewer than 3 assists even though he leads the team in minutes played.
The last 10 years of not winning in March we have had to hear nothing but UW talk locally until they are eliminated.
The game would probably be agonizing, but if we could eliminate them and advance all in 1 day that'd be great.
I'd rather have them miss out altogether though. That'd be even better.
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I understand, GE03, but if they “always get it done,” why don’t they have 10 titles in that span?
Better yet, how can a team that “always gets it done” go 3-4 against effen Wojo?
We are in agreement on your last paragraph.
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Their previous game, they had only 4 assists all game, so they're improving. It also could be home scorekeeping that even got them to 12 this time. Walker has never met a shot he doesn't like -- he had the ball a ton and had zero assists. He's averaging fewer than 3 assists even though he leads the team in minutes played.
I bet Joey loves playing with teammates that pass the ball so much. ;D
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I understand, GE03, but if they “always get it done,” why don’t they have 10 titles in that span?
Better yet, how can a team that “always gets it done” go 3-4 against effen Wojo?
We are in agreement on your last paragraph.
I guess I would have been better saying they always get more with less. Every year I look at them and say "this team sucks" and yet they seem to always be playing on Saturday or Sunday with a shot at a Sweet 16.
Frustrating seeing Marquette teams with more talent watching them make it further. I believe that we have what it takes to flip the script though.
Anyways...enough about those slimeballs. Go MU!
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I guess I would have been better saying they always get more with less. Every year I look at them and say "this team sucks" and yet they seem to always be playing on Saturday or Sunday with a shot at a Sweet 16.
Frustrating seeing Marquette teams with more talent watching them make it further. I believe that we have what it takes to flip the script though.
Anyways...enough about those slimeballs. Go MU!
Fair enough. We Are Marquette!
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Another surprising team, to me at least, is Rutgers. They're playing good ball right now. I live in Jersey so I do follow them. Always looked forward to the MU/Rutgers game when they were in the Beast.
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"Sources: Iowa's game against Northwestern will be postponed. The Wildcats are dealing with injury issues along with COVID. Don't have the minimum player requirement.
Expecting to hear a formal announcement later today."
Via Twitter
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"Sources: Iowa's game against Northwestern will be postponed. The Wildcats are dealing with injury issues along with COVID. Don't have the minimum player requirement.
Expecting to hear a formal announcement later today."
Via Twitter
So if you can't field a team you can postpone a game? Are they using COVID as an excuse to give their injured players time to recover? Just asking.
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UConn women postponed a game against DePaul recently because they did not have enough healthy players.
Rhode Island postponed a game against UW-Milwaukee.
So, yes.
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I bet Joey loves playing with teammates that pass the ball so much. ;D
Racist
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Racist
I honestly don't know that that term means anymore.
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Might that be because you are white trash?
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Tough to tell Larranaga and Boeheim apart these days.
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Tough to tell Larranaga and Boeheim apart these days.
We old white guys all look alike.
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We old white guys all look alike.
Just looked at some pictures from my 60th grade school reunion.
You’re not wrong.
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Notre Dame down 31-8 at home against Florida State.
Goodness...
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Wonder if the Darius Miles situation will impact Nate Oats ability to move on to a position like Texas or Kentucky if they were to open this offseason.
"Nate Oats told @UA_CTSN he spoke to former NFL LB Ray Lewis in the wake of Darius Miles' arrest.
"His daughter went to Alabama a year-and-a-half ago. He went through a similar situation in Atlanta. He played in the NFL. He told me what he thought guys needed to hear."
What!?!?
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Yeah, that is one odd statement...
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Davidson v. Dayton was entertaining.
(giggles and ducks)
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Thoughts on the Wisky/Rodent unis?? WTF? Can you say hideous?
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Best team in the country rolls again
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Any chance Brey hangs it up at the end of the year? He seemed disengaged after our game and getting stomped by 6-13 FSU at home; just feels like he's playing out his hand.
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Thoughts on the Wisky/Rodent unis?? WTF? Can you say hideous?
They will sell some merch based on that design scheme.
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Kansas vs Kstate is a fantastic game and atmosphere.
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They will sell some merch based on that design scheme.
Like a funeral. Wearing black and it's silent in there.
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Kansas vs Kstate is a fantastic game and atmosphere.
Jalen Wilson is a unanimous 1st Team All American. He's so good.
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Iowa St/Texas is another good one.
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Any chance Brey hangs it up at the end of the year? He seemed disengaged after our game and getting stomped by 6-13 FSU at home; just feels like he's playing out his hand.
He doesn’t seem very engaged in the game.
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Jalen Wilson is a unanimous 1st Team All American. He's so good.
Has his moments of being a chucker and needs to be a more consistent shooter at next level but yeah hes really good.
Has come into his own this year and is probably top 3 in the POY talks.
Lot of really good players in this game. Handful of them for KU are fouled out.
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ISU and K st win good for BE, Baylor winning....
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ISU and K st win good for BE, Baylor winning....
I've been impressed by Iowa St. Those two Bonny players have helped a lot.
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"Nate Oats told @UA_CTSN he spoke to former NFL LB Ray Lewis in the wake of Darius Miles' arrest.
"His daughter went to Alabama a year-and-a-half ago. He went through a similar situation in Atlanta. He played in the NFL. He told me what he thought guys needed to hear."
What!?!?
Patrick Leary summed this up well: "The logical leaps to go from 'a player on my team killed someone' to 'I should call another athlete who famously got away with killing someone' to 'I should tell the media about doing that' are completely mental."
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Patrick Leary summed this up well: "The logical leaps to go from 'a player on my team killed someone' to 'I should call another athlete who famously got away with killing someone' to 'I should tell the media about doing that' are completely mental."
For real.
Hears one of his guys killed a girl:
"Oh I gotta speak with Ray Lewis."
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For real.
Hears one of his guys killed a girl:
"Oh I gotta speak with Ray Lewis."
Wouldn't OJ be a better consultant in the matter?
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MU alum Craig Pintens with a tournament expansion idea, which also involves eliminating the NIT.
https://athleticdirectoru.com/articles/more-of-a-great-thing-expansion-to-96-teams-in-the-ncaa-basketball-tournament/
Has anyone ever floated the idea of an expansion that is something more like a "play-in-tournament" than just adding more rounds of play? I would be intrigued by something like this:
Total of 76 teams
[1] Field of 60 - the 32 automatic qualifiers and the top 28 at-large teams
[2] Field of 16 - the next 16 best at-large teams
[3] The 16 funnel into one of the sweet-16 slots
This play-in-tournament could be someting like Tue (at host school) and then the following Sat/Sun/Mon (some rotating neutral site) and have a bit of a conference tournament feel to it.
I haven't given this a lot of thought, but I think this would might the regular season more (not less) important. You'd have to win 4 games to get to the sweet-16.
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If it ain’t broke don’t fix it.
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If it ain’t broke don’t fix it.
If it makes more money, break it every day of the week and twice on Sundays.
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Has anyone ever floated the idea of an expansion that is something more like a "play-in-tournament" than just adding more rounds of play? I would be intrigued by something like this:
Total of 76 teams
[1] Field of 60 - the 32 automatic qualifiers and the top 28 at-large teams
[2] Field of 16 - the next 16 best at-large teams
[3] The 16 funnel into one of the sweet-16 slots
This play-in-tournament could be someting like Tue (at host school) and then the following Sat/Sun/Mon (some rotating neutral site) and have a bit of a conference tournament feel to it.
I haven't given this a lot of thought, but I think this would make the regular season more (not less as often contended with expansion) important. You'd have to win 4 games to get to the sweet-16.
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If it ain’t broke don’t fix it.
Said no sports league ever if more money is involved.
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Has anyone ever floated the idea of an expansion that is something more like a "play-in-tournament" than just adding more rounds of play? I would be intrigued by something like this:
Total of 76 teams
[1] Field of 60 - the 32 automatic qualifiers and the top 28 at-large teams
[2] Field of 16 - the next 16 best at-large teams
[3] The 16 funnel into one of the sweet-16 slots
This play-in-tournament could be someting like Tue (at host school) and then the following Sat/Sun/Mon (some rotating neutral site) and have a bit of a conference tournament feel to it.
I haven't given this a lot of thought, but I think this would might the regular season more (not less) important. You'd have to win 4 games to get to the sweet-16.
Field of 80 is my proposal, but somewhat similar.
- Top-16 automatic qualifiers immediately go to the main field Thursday/Friday.
- Top 24 at-large bids seeded into the main field.
- All 15/16 seeds have to play their way in Tuesday/Wednesday.
- Last 16 at-large teams play their way in Tuesday/Wednesday.
- Add three static Tuesday/Wednesday sites (Dayton, Omaha, Bloomington, Knoxville).
- 16 total Tuesday/Wednesday games, 2 per night at the First Four sites. Each site gets one 15/16 play-in and one at-large play-in per night. Winners funnel into the main field.
I think this would actually make the tournament better. Tuesday and Wednesday become legitimate options for viewing because you are getting motivated at-large caliber teams (last year's Rutgers/ND was awesome) and better quality 15/16 games due to it being made up of many 13 & 14 seeds. It would be more money for the small schools because there is a greater opportunity to earn credits Tuesday/Wednesday, but once you get to the main field the majority of credits will go to bigger leagues as there will be just 18 non-high-major auto-bids in the field of 64 as opposed to the 24 there now. The first weekend would be stretched to 6 days of awesomeness.
Here's what I wrote about it in August:
https://www.crackedsidewalks.com/2022/08/how-to-do-ncaa-tournament-expansion.html
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"Nate Oats told @UA_CTSN he spoke to former NFL LB Ray Lewis in the wake of Darius Miles' arrest.
"His daughter went to Alabama a year-and-a-half ago. He went through a similar situation in Atlanta. He played in the NFL. He told me what he thought guys needed to hear."
What!?!?
"I didn't see anything"
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Ohio State drops to 10-8, 2-6 with a loss at Nebraska. Were ranked just a few weeks ago.
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Ohio State drops to 10-8, 2-6 with a loss at Nebraska. Were ranked just a few weeks ago.
“There are no easy games in the Big 10” - Big 10 apologists everywhere. 🙄
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I know a lot of you love to mock and disregard Crean and Buzz.
I for one am thankful for their contributions and also couldn't be happier with our current situation, but this right here from Buzz is spectacular.
Some of you may remember Patric Young from Florida. He was somewhat recently paralyzed due to an automobile accident and Buzz had some incredible words for him last night in a postgame interview on SEC Network.
https://twitter.com/SECNetwork/status/1615944968387919872?t=b6JfNWU296oEPk7ZSKXcNw&s=19
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Any chance Brey hangs it up at the end of the year? He seemed disengaged after our game and getting stomped by 6-13 FSU at home; just feels like he's playing out his hand.
Official
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Mike Brey is stepping down at the end of the season.
Outside of the rivalry, that is an interesting job because that job can go a lot of different directions.
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Wojo to ND!
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Wonder if Porter Moser would have interest cause I don't think the fit in Oklahoma is a good one.
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Wonder if Porter Moser would have interest cause I don't think the fit in Oklahoma is a good one.
Chris Mack?
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Wonder if Porter Moser would have interest cause I don't think the fit in Oklahoma is a good one.
That’s not a bad thought. I wonder where this job ranks? Pat Kelsey at Notre Dame feels right for some reason
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https://twitter.com/icetimecleve/status/1615956673864105986?t=fsVN0MCBP3YlnUUEl8njoQ&s=19
Brian Wardle got T'd up for not allowing a ref into their timeout huddle last night.
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https://twitter.com/icetimecleve/status/1615956673864105986?t=fsVN0MCBP3YlnUUEl8njoQ&s=19
Brian Wardle got T'd up for not allowing a ref into their timeout huddle last night.
Just cost himself the Notre Dame job.
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I think moser to ND is perfect stop for him. That is an interesting take, Sultan.
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Any chance Brey hangs it up at the end of the year? He seemed disengaged after our game and getting stomped by 6-13 FSU at home; just feels like he's playing out his hand.
I swear I didn't plant the seed in Brey's head.
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I swear I didn't plant the seed in Brey's head.
Felt the same. I posted right after our game with them that it was time for both sides to part ways. Thought it was pretty obvious he was on the way out. I highly doubt this was 100% Brey’s decision.
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Felt the same. I posted right after our game with them that it was time for both sides to part ways. Thought it was pretty obvious he was on the way out. I highly doubt this was 100% Brey’s decision.
Maybe not, but he hasn’t looked very engaged during their games this season.
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Wife and I watching the Indiana Illinois game. TJD gets called for a foul. Camera pans away. There is a noise from the crowd.
Me: Ooooh, that is the sound of IU getting a technical.
Announcer, 3 seconds later: And Indiana gets a technical
Wife: I hate it when you do that.
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Michigan and Minnesota are terrible basketball teams.
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Michigan and Minnesota are terrible basketball teams.
Outside of Purdue and maybe a healthy Indiana, the Big 10 is not that good.
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Outside of Purdue and maybe a healthy Indiana, the Big 10 is not that good.
They kinda just flip flopped with the Big East right around Conference play.
Big East now has 4 ranked teams and all of a sudden St. John's and Seton Hall put themselves in a position to play meaningful games. Top of the Big East is pretty strong.
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Wonder if Porter Moser would have interest cause I don't think the fit in Oklahoma is a good one.
I actually think Drew Valentine gets a look before Moser, which I guess would be semi-ironic?
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I actually think Drew Valentine gets a look before Moser, which I guess would be semi-ironic?
Loyola is dreaful this year.
That would be a bold hire to the max
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Stan Johnson ends Gonzaga's 76 game home win streak and his team improved to 14-7 on the season. Impressive!
***75 game win streak***prevented 76
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Stan Johnson ends Gonzaga's 76 game home win streak and his team improved to 14-7 on the season. Impressive!
***75 game win streak***prevented 76
Uhhhh....Stan is the man!
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The Chris Beard redemption story as Notre Dame’s head coach will be something.
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The Chris Beard redemption story as Notre Dame’s head coach will be something.
No.
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The Chris Beard redemption story as Notre Dame’s head coach will be something.
Jail is a more attractive destination than South Bend.
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The Chris Beard redemption story as Notre Dame’s head coach will be something.
Given what they hire and cover up with football it would not be the biggest shocker in the world except that it was recent
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I was joking obvs.
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I was joking obvs.
...yet sadly not that hard to believe
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UCLA basketball with a lead in the second half continues to be horrible to watch for the casual viewer. Cronin would be the happiest coach in the world to be leading 65-60 at the 4 min mark and win 68-62. It’s unreal how much offensive talent they have that he is hell bent in reining in late for his system.
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Mike Brey is stepping down at the end of the season.
Outside of the rivalry, that is an interesting job because that job can go a lot of different directions.
Stan Johnson ends Gonzaga's 76 game home win streak and his team improved to 14-7 on the season. Impressive!
***75 game win streak***prevented 76
Stan to ND?
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Wonder if Porter Moser would have interest cause I don't think the fit in Oklahoma is a good one.
Pat Kelsey
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Brian Wardle. Move up to a higher mid major before taking MU when Kentucky poaches Shaka.
Just so the humor impaired know, the above is all sarcasm.
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Pat Kelsey
Micah Shrewsberry’s name has been mentioned in multiple places for this job, so he must want a raise
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Would Randy Bennett take that job?
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This will be a really interesting hire by ND. How do they view their basketball program? Will they open their wallets to pay big for a proven winner?
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UCLA basketball with a lead in the second half continues to be horrible to watch for the casual viewer. Cronin would be the happiest coach in the world to be leading 65-60 at the 4 min mark and win 68-62. It’s unreal how much offensive talent they have that he is hell bent in reining in late for his system.
I love watching them. Tyger Campbell is one of my favorite non MU players to watch in a long time.
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Big win for Stan Johnson last night. LMU beat the Zags at The Kennel.
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Wojo to ND!
Look, like any good MU alum, I hate ND as much as anyone, but this may be beyond mean, even for the drunken brawling Irish. ;D
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Big win for Stan Johnson last night. LMU beat the Zags at The Kennel.
I know he’s putting up decent numbers, but I’m wondering if Gonzaga might’ve been better off if Timme had gone pro.
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Pat Kelsey
Would be an excellent choice. I actually think Xavier should have gone there instead of Sean Miller.
Would Randy Bennett take that job?
I doubt ND would be interested. He's 60 and pretty entrenched at St. Mary's.
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This will be a really interesting hire by ND. How do they view their basketball program? Will they open their wallets to pay big for a proven winner?
It will be very interesting. I think the school is pumping alums for cash to 'keep them competitive in football', so I'm not sure what the budget will be.
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I love watching them. Tyger Campbell is one of my favorite non MU players to watch in a long time.
Wild that he originally commuted to DePaul. Could you imagine if him and Terrance Shanon stayed committed?
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I love watching them. Tyger Campbell is one of my favorite non MU players to watch in a long time.
I love watching them most of the game, I just can't stand that end of game action. They aren't as awful as Cronin's old Cincy teams, but they could be averaging 80 a game, efficiently, but Cronin wants to play every competitive game in the 60s.
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Minnesota put up 39 on Purdue last night. 12 in the first half.
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Minnesota put up 39 on Purdue last night. 12 in the first half.
They had like 29 pts pre garbage time.
That team is epically bad
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Minnesota put up 39 on Purdue last night. 12 in the first half.
#Garcia2Team4
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I love watching them most of the game, I just can't stand that end of game action. They aren't as awful as Cronin's old Cincy teams, but they could be averaging 80 a game, efficiently, but Cronin wants to play every competitive game in the 60s.
It kind of reminds me of Nova's good teams. Take your time getting the ball inbounded after your opponent makes a basket, don't rush anything going up court, etc. Very methodical.
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They had like 29 pts pre garbage time.
That team is epically bad
They had about 5 chances to beat Wisky at the K-Hole.
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Guy 1 at bar: Holtmann is under a lot of fire at Ohio State
Guy 2: Why? They’re a great team!
Guy 1: No they’re not!
Guy 2: They beat Northwestern and Northwestern is good
Guy 1: They just lost to Nebraska
Guy 2: Nebraska is great!
Knowing ball
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Guy 1 at bar: Holtmann is under a lot of fire at Ohio State
Guy 2: Why? They’re a great team!
Guy 1: No they’re not!
Guy 2: They beat Northwestern and Northwestern is good
Guy 1: They just lost to Nebraska
Guy 2: Nebraska is great!
Knowing ball
I think a lot of Big 10 fans think the Bucks would finish 5th in the Big 10.
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Would be an excellent choice. I actually think Xavier should have gone there instead of Sean Miller.
Don’t think Xavier wants a do over.
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Would be an excellent choice. I actually think Xavier should have gone there instead of Sean Miller.
That's quite the hot take there Sultan. Why do you feel X should have hired Pat Kelsey over Sean Miller? Especially now in the day of NIL?
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That's quite the hot take there Sultan. Why do you feel X should have hired Pat Kelsey over Sean Miller? Especially now in the day of NIL?
+1 Xavier's ranked out of nowhere after a struggle with Steele. They needed a win not a "he went here" feel good story
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I think in the long run Kelsey would have been a better option. I might be wrong.
But my larger point is that Notre Dame would be smart to consider him.
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Would be an excellent choice. I actually think Xavier should have gone there instead of Sean Miller.
Seems to be working our just fine for X.
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Seems to be working our just fine for X.
Yes because we all know that the first half of the first season is how you judge a coaching decision.
It was a mere prediction. One I could be wrong about.
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Yes because we all know that the first half of the first season is how you judge a coaching decision.
It was a mere prediction. One I could be wrong about.
Predictions without quantifiable data are not allowed around here
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Predictions without quantifiable data are not allowed around here
Whut
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+1 Xavier's ranked out of nowhere after a struggle with Steele. They needed a win not a "he went here" feel good story
They were ranked for a good portion of last season. They collapsed down the stretch. Returned Kunkel, Nunge, Jones, Fremantle. Don’t think it’s out of nowhere at all.
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Yes because we all know that the first half of the first season is how you judge a coaching decision.
It was a mere prediction. One I could be wrong about.
Unfortunately, I think you will be.
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About to turn into a ref show in Lawrence. TCU was up like 32-17 and Self took a T. Immediately they go to the line. A couple possessions later Wilson starts to attempt a 3, realizes it’s contested, puts the ball down and ends up setting up Dick for a wide open 3. Couple minutes later and TCU hits a 3 and they T up the kid for smiling towards the Kansas bench as he ran down the court. Didn’t say a word and didn’t stop to pimp it, was just smiling as he ran back.
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About to turn into a ref show in Lawrence. TCU was up like 32-17 and Self took a T. Immediately they go to the line. A couple possessions later Wilson starts to attempt a 3, realizes it’s contested, puts the ball down and ends up setting up Dick for a wide open 3. Couple minutes later and TCU hits a 3 and they T up the kid for smiling towards the Kansas bench as he ran down the court. Didn’t say a word and didn’t stop to pimp it, was just smiling as he ran back.
It was actually 37-15. Then a immediate 11-0 kansas run
Miami vs Duke was a wild finish. DUke looked like us trying to grab a rebound and Miami simply couldnt make a basket. It finally just went out of bounds for Dukes ball.
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About to turn into a ref show in Lawrence. TCU was up like 32-17 and Self took a T. Immediately they go to the line. A couple possessions later Wilson starts to attempt a 3, realizes it’s contested, puts the ball down and ends up setting up Dick for a wide open 3. Couple minutes later and TCU hits a 3 and they T up the kid for smiling towards the Kansas bench as he ran down the court. Didn’t say a word and didn’t stop to pimp it, was just smiling as he ran back.
TCU by 23? Wow.
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TCU by 23? Wow.
Biggest home loss and biggest Big 12 loss since Shaka beat them by 25 at the Phog in 2021.
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Biggest home loss and biggest Big 12 loss since Shaka beat them by 25 at the Phog in 2021.
I've been impressed with TCU and Iowa St. the few times I've seen them Brew.
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Biggest home loss and biggest Big 12 loss since Shaka beat them by 25 at the Phog in 2021.
And that game didn’t have a crowd.
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Looks like Mick Cronin’s big 10 offensive strategy isn’t gonna work today.
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Arizona meltdown is something.
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Baylor grinds out a 2pt win against the Fighting Mosers.
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Boy hiring Bo Ryan's kid has worked out great for UWGB. Tonight they were outscored by 30 points in the second half at home by Robert Morris to fall to 2-19.
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Boy hiring Bo Ryan's kid has worked out great for UWGB. Tonight they were outscored by 30 points in the second half at home by Robert Morris to fall to 2-19.
360 out of 363 in KenPom
Only teams worse are Hartford (dropping a level), IUPUI is an institutional mess at the moment and LIU hired Rod Strickland late in the summer
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Good think for GB that IUPUI is in the same conference - that was good for one of their wins.
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If Indiana can get and stay healthy (Thompson/Johnson), they are going to be very dangerous in March.
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If Indiana can get and stay healthy (Thompson/Johnson), they are going to be very dangerous in March.
Easy to score on Sparty inside
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IU has been rolling the last 3 games. Really refocused on defense. And giving TJD the ball.
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IU has been rolling the last 3 games. Really refocused on defense. And giving TJD the ball.
I can’t wait to see tjd stat line after the Minnesota game lol
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In its loss to Indiana, Michigan State had 6 assists on 23 makes.
Sparty is 37 in KenPom after finishing 42nd last year and 64th the year before.
The previous 3 seasons before this stretch, Sparty was a top-10 team
Sad!
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Temple goes to Houston and beats the Cougars
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At halftime of the IU game the studio guys talked a bit about Marquette. Very positive, fun to watch play offense, etc.
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Temple goes to Houston and beats the Cougars
Holy Crap.
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Not surprising at all to panda, who's been saying all season that Temple is by far the best team in the country.
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Not surprising at all to panda, who's been saying all season that Temple is by far the best team in the country.
And my take still had more substance than 98% of your posts.
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Still the best team in the country btw
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By far!
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By far!
Yep thx
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By far!
Metrics love them. Benefit from playing a slow pace and in a terrible league. Won’t really be challenged that often. Based on the eye test, I put Purdue and Alabama ahead of them. Probably UCLA, too. Case can be made for any of them. Houston can win it all, no doubt. Best team by far? Not a chance
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Metrics love them. Benefit from playing a slow pace and in a terrible league. Won’t really be challenged that often. Based on the eye test, I put Purdue and Alabama ahead of them. Probably UCLA, too. Case can be made for any of them. Houston can win it all, no doubt. Best team by far? Not a chance
Take it back!
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Metrics love them. Benefit from playing a slow pace and in a terrible league. Won’t really be challenged that often. Based on the eye test, I put Purdue and Alabama ahead of them. Probably UCLA, too. Case can be made for any of them. Houston can win it all, no doubt. Best team by far? Not a chance
Dominant bigs don’t win in march and Purdue is far too reliant on Edey. Inexperienced back court will get eaten alive by a team like Houston(or any other high pressure defense) in the tournament.
Love Alabama. UCLA has limited scoring options and has lost to every team with a pulse they’ve played this year. Good not great.
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Dominant bigs don’t win in march and Purdue is far too reliant on Edey. Inexperienced back court will get eaten alive by a team like Houston(or any other high pressure defense) in the tournament.
Love Alabama. UCLA has limited scoring options and has lost to every team with a pulse they’ve played this year. Good not great.
A lot can change by March panda. I stated weeks ago there isn't a dominant team.
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A lot can change by March panda. I stated weeks ago there isn't a dominant team.
You haven’t watched much Houston basketball then ole Muggsy
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You haven’t watched much Houston basketball then ole Muggsy
Dominant teams don’t lose to Temple at home
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Dominant teams don’t lose to Temple at home
Don’t sell temple short. They can grind it out with the best of them. And they did. And they won.
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You haven’t watched much Houston basketball then ole Muggsy
Panda,
I just looked at Houston's resume. I can't agree that they have been dominant.
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Panda,
I just looked at Houston's resume. I can't agree that they have been dominant.
I thought I knew you Muggsy
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Dominant bigs don’t win in march and Purdue is far too reliant on Edey. Inexperienced back court will get eaten alive by a team like Houston(or any other high pressure defense) in the tournament.
Love Alabama. UCLA has limited scoring options and has lost to every team with a pulse they’ve played this year. Good not great.
Teams that play as slow as Houston can also get eaten alive in March with a bad shooting night
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I thought I knew you Muggsy
I'm not saying they shouldn't be a 1 seed but perhaps we have different definitions of dominant/domination?
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Teams that play as slow as Houston can also get eaten alive in March with a bad shooting night
Houston is a great shooting team what are you talking about
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Houston is a great shooting team what are you talking about
I said if. Virginia in 2018 had roughly the same effective fg% and lost by 20 in the first round. Slow tempo teams are as susceptible to losing early as Purdue because of how they play
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I said if. Virginia in 2018 had roughly the same effective fg% and lost by 20 in the first round. Slow tempo teams are as susceptible to losing early as Purdue because of how they play
Everyone is susceptible to losing when you really think about it
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Dominant bigs don’t win in march and Purdue is far too reliant on Edey. Inexperienced back court will get eaten alive by a team like Houston(or any other high pressure defense) in the tournament.
Love Alabama. UCLA has limited scoring options and has lost to every team with a pulse they’ve played this year. Good not great.
We said their inexperienced backcourt would be eaten alive by a team like MU with high pressure defense. They handled it pretty dang well.
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We said their inexperienced backcourt would be eaten alive by a team like MU with high pressure defense. They handled it pretty dang well.
Marquette was pretty inexperienced at that point in the season too.
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Marquette was pretty inexperienced at that point in the season too.
So MU is more experienced now but Purdue is not?
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So MU is more experienced now but Purdue is not?
Improvement and growth is not linear
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Marquette easily could have won that game at Purdue. Just couldn’t make a bucket late.
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Marquette easily could have won that game at Purdue. Just couldn’t make a bucket late.
Agreed. But it wouldn’t have been because their inexperienced guards couldn’t handle a high pressure defense. We forced Purdue into a whopping 6 turnovers. Their inexperienced guards are combining to average 3 turnovers per game. They are good and have proven to not really be phased by high pressure defense.
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Agreed. But it wouldn’t have been because their inexperienced guards couldn’t handle a high pressure defense. We forced Purdue into a whopping 6 turnovers. Their inexperienced guards are combining to average 3 turnovers per game. They are good and have proven to not really be phased by high pressure defense.
Just wait until the bright lights turn on. They’ll crumble like the crackers they are.
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Just wait until the bright lights turn on. They’ll crumble like the crackers they are.
The bright lights are on in league play
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The bright lights are on in league play
Not in a Mickey Mouse League like the b14
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Not in a Mickey Mouse League like the b14
If the Big Ten is a Mickey Mouse League, what’s the AAC?
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If the Big Ten is a Mickey Mouse League, what’s the AAC?
Goofy.
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If the Big Ten is a Mickey Mouse League, what’s the AAC?
legacy personified
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Panda,
I just looked at Houston's resume. I can't agree that they have been dominant.
Houston certainly hasn't been dominant, which is why they're questionable to even stay on the top line after today.
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Northwestern needs to focus
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Northwestern needs to focus
I’m sure they’re doing fine with their schoolwork
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How on God's Green Earth can you foul there if you're Northwestern!!!??? Inexcusable.
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Ty Northwestern
Ty Virginia Tech
How would you evaluate the B14 Conference? Will they really get 9 bids?
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Ty Northwestern
Ty Virginia Tech
How would you evaluate the B14 Conference? Will they really get 9 bids?
Yes
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What’s the excuse now that Wahl is back?
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VT was my bet of the week.
Lost 7 in a row. I just felt they were due and I dont think Duke is very good.
Barely covered 2.5 though haha
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What’s the excuse now that Wahl is back?
They're fortunate they have a soft B14 schedule.
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All credit to Boo Buie for finishing the game after the over aggressive rebound by his teammate. Ouch!
(https://thumbs.gfycat.com/BasicGraveAssassinbug-size_restricted.gif)
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What’s the excuse now that Wahl is back?
Wahl sucks should be the excuse. High usage, terrible shooter and awful at the line
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All credit to Boo Buie for finishing the game after the over aggressive rebound by his teammate. Ouch!
(https://thumbs.gfycat.com/BasicGraveAssassinbug-size_restricted.gif)
LOL.
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Badgers going to be Q3 loss for Marquette. Ugh
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Badgers going to be Q3 loss for Marquette. Ugh
Really no matta if MU takes care of business
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Badgers going to be Q3 loss for Marquette. Ugh
That is a quad 3 loss I can live with.
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That is a quad 3 loss I can live with.
I don't understand why anyone would even look at whether that game will be a Q1, 2, 3, 4, or 5 defeat. I hope they lose every game.
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Baylor vs Kansas is fun.
Should be a great finish.
Baylor gonna just keep launching 3s.
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Baylor vs Kansas is fun.
Should be a great finish.
Baylor gonna just keep launching 3s.
Fun game. Who do you think is the best team in the B12?
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I don't understand why anyone would even look at whether that game will be a Q1, 2, 3, 4, or 5 defeat. I hope they lose every game.
Exactly.
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Fun game. Who do you think is the best team in the B12?
Honestly idk.
They have 5 really good teams that also all have pretty glaring flaws as well(like just about every team this year).
Id still probably lean Kansas cause Wilson and Dick are such buckets. But lack of depth and front court for KU is an issue. And if Harris doesnt become some sort of scoring threat again, they are suseptible.
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Fun game. Who do you think is the best team in the B12?
Very hard 6 really good teams bunched up and other couple of teams that can beat anyone.
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Ya....it's tough. I honestly have watched K.State much. TCU has two really good road wins.
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Ya....it's tough. I honestly have watched K.State much. TCU has two really good road wins.
Kstate is really good. Two great players.
Metrics look at them as more of a top 25 team than top 5 though.
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Kstate is really good. Two great players.
Metrics look at them as more of a top 25 team than top 5 though.
I will probably watch them tomorrow night
Hopefully Baylor can hold on. .
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Baylor about to dump Kansas.
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Baylor about to dump Kansas.
Game isn't over. I'm a bit concerned.
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I think Baylor has this.
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Game isn't over. I'm a bit concerned.
Baylor win is a double edged sword.
Helps our win over them. But its unlikely they fall out of a Q1 game.
If they win, they may pass us in seeding.
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Baylor win is a double edged sword.
Helps our win over them. But its unlikely they fall out of a Q1 game.
If they win, they may pass us in seeding.
True but man... .their remaining schedule is brutal.
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Kansas couldn’t grab defensive rebounds. Glad that doesn’t happen to my team!
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Does anyone remember our largest lead against Baylor? :)
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Yes and they will be playing alot of top teams vs us...with Depaul, Butler, Georgetown,....metrics will keep moving.
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Does anyone remember our largest lead against Baylor? :)
we were up at least 30 at one point of not more.
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we were up at least 30 at one point of not more.
I could be off but I thought it was 35?
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I could be off but I thought it was 35?
32 and then we called off the dogs and they cut it to 26 at the end
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Baylor win is a double edged sword.
Helps our win over them. But its unlikely they fall out of a Q1 game.
If they win, they may pass us in seeding.
NET was updated, no movement so far. MU 14 Baylor 15
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32 and then we called off the dogs and they cut it to 26 at the end
That was a rather enjoyable 1st half. 51-25 MU never sucks.
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Ya....it's tough. I honestly have watched K.State much. TCU has two really good road wins.
How in the world is TCU in the legit discussion of best football/basketball school? I get Alabama, & Tenn, (Florida & LSU in the past) because of SEC $ but TCU may be in CFP and Final Four this year. Crazy.
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How in the world is TCU in the legit discussion of best football/basketball school? I get Alabama, & Tenn, (Florida & LSU in the past) because of SEC $ but TCU may be in CFP and Final Four this year. Crazy.
NIL coin?
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$ Bill not as good this season when all schools can now pay their players.
#parity
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Wild game between New Mexico and Nevada comes down to the officiating.
Def was a flagarant on review but Nevad also fouled him before and it was missed.
ONe of new mexicos two studs House had like 3 chances to take a 3 to try and tie and wouldnt shoot it. Really weird ending.
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How in the world is TCU in the legit discussion of best football/basketball school? I get Alabama, & Tenn, (Florida & LSU in the past) because of SEC $ but TCU may be in CFP and Final Four this year. Crazy.
Because they’re not afraid to put “christian” in their name.
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Wild game between New Mexico and Nevada comes down to the officiating.
Def was a flagarant on review but Nevad also fouled him before and it was missed.
ONe of new mexicos two studs House had like 3 chances to take a 3 to try and tie and wouldnt shoot it. Really weird ending.
Should have been a foul on Nevada way before it escalated to the point of the elbow.
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Because they’re not afraid to put “christian” in their name.
Maybe we need to add Catholic to ours. Just looked up endowments, MU $0.9 billion - TCU $2.5 billion; same size schools.
Actually, discovering oil in SE Wisconsin would help. :D
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Maybe we need to add Catholic to ours. Just looked up endowments, MU $0.9 billion - TCU $2.5 billion; same size schools.
Great idea, MCU is known to bring in big bucks!
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MU ‘s endowment is pretty low for a
top tier school.
Good win for Baylor last night over
Kansas !
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Maybe we need to add Catholic to ours. Just looked up endowments, MU $0.9 billion - TCU $2.5 billion; same size schools.
In general, endowments at Catholic schools tend to run smaller than other similar sized private institutions. The main reason for this is that these schools didn't have as much financial issues early on due to support from their various orders. For instance, Marquette filled a lot of positions with Jesuit priests in the past which were usually just considered "contributed services." So the need to raise money for endowments was never a huge priority.
But as less and less people are becoming priests and nuns, schools have had to hire lay people to fill these roles. This is putting pressure on these schools budgets and many are playing catch up in the endowment area. This is one of the reasons you are seeing a lot of Catholic schools closing. Presentation College in South Dakota just announced their closure yesterday. Holy Names University in Oakland did the same last month. And for every closure, there are a handful that are just stringing along hoping to survive. I'm not going to go into details, but there are a couple in Wisconsin that I would not be surprised if they close in the next decade. COVID funds saved a number of them and those ran out last year.
Obviously there are exceptions to this general rule.
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Because they’re not afraid to put “christian” in their name.
If that is what it takes to raise $ for the university, count me out.
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What’s the excuse now that Wahl is back?
'The ol' set shots just weren't finding the bottom of the peach baskets, by jimminy! Our roundballers will practice their chest passes and take to the hardwood again and proceed to victory, God willing."
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In general, endowments at Catholic schools tend to run smaller than other similar sized private institutions. The main reason for this is that these schools didn't have as much financial issues early on due to support from their various orders. For instance, Marquette filled a lot of positions with Jesuit priests in the past which were usually just considered "contributed services." So the need to raise money for endowments was never a huge priority.
But as less and less people are becoming priests and nuns, schools have had to hire lay people to fill these roles. This is putting pressure on these schools budgets and many are playing catch up in the endowment area. This is one of the reasons you are seeing a lot of Catholic schools closing. Presentation College in South Dakota just announced their closure yesterday. Holy Names University in Oakland did the same last month. And for every closure, there are a handful that are just stringing along hoping to survive. I'm not going to go into details, but there are a couple in Wisconsin that I would not be surprised if they close in the next decade. COVID funds saved a number of them and those ran out last year.
Obviously there are exceptions to this general rule.
Sultan, what’s considered a healthy safety net endowment these days? Is MU at least in a safe zone especially if/when that gets to 1-1.5 billion. It seems like donors are continuing to fund projects and the endowment continues to get incrementally larger. Any chance MU could be in trouble in the foreseeable future?
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That is a quad 3 loss I can live with.
Maybe even the only loss I'd like to fall to Q4 😅
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Sultan, what’s considered a healthy safety net endowment these days? Is MU at least in a safe zone especially if/when that gets to 1-1.5 billion. It seems like donors are continuing to fund projects and the endowment continues to get incrementally larger. Any chance MU could be in trouble in the foreseeable future?
What is a good endowment? Hard to say when you have to balance it out with your other sources of revenue. But Marquette is absolutely fine and will be around for a very long time. They raise a lot of money, have been steadily growing their endowment, and have a great mix of programs - business, engineering and nursing in particular.
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They can't stop thinking about us.
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What is a good endowment? Hard to say when you have to balance it out with your other sources of revenue. But Marquette is absolutely fine and will be around for a very long time. They raise a lot of money, have been steadily growing their endowment, and have a great mix of programs - business, engineering and nursing in particular.
Thanks. Appreciate the knowledge.
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Maybe even the only loss I'd like to fall to Q4 😅
I'd be ok with that, too. But highly unlikely. Wisconsin would have to drop to 161 in NET to be a Q4 home game. For reference, DePaul is 152.
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They can't stop thinking about us.
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Didn't that tool announce an MU game before?
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Didn't that tool announce an MU game before?
They can’t stop thinking about us is ironic, dontcha think?
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Muggsy, posters on this board say far worse things about the program he played for. It is begrudging respect from a rival.
If MU sucked, he wouldn't be bothering.
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Muggsy, posters on this board say far worse things about the program he played for. It is begrudging respect from a rival.
If MU sucked, he wouldn't be bothering.
That's true Tower but if he's announcing MU games he's disqualified.
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That's true Tower but if he's announcing MU games he's disqualified.
I think you're thinking of Brian Butch. Ben Brust has a radio show I believe. Easy to get the BB Badgers mixed up
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I think you're thinking of Brian Butch. Ben Brust has a radio show I believe.
I recall him doing an MU game but could be wrong.
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I recall him doing an MU game but could be wrong.
Butch has done color for a few Marquette games in the last year or so and has actually been pretty good, which surprised the hell out of me.
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Will Ryan fired as Green Bay’s coach, per Goodman.
https://twitter.com/goodmanhoops/status/1617953271171416066?s=46&t=jpMH9sV154gMD5NdknjMOA
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Will Ryan fired as Green Bay’s coach, per Goodman.
https://twitter.com/goodmanhoops/status/1617953271171416066?s=46&t=jpMH9sV154gMD5NdknjMOA
This seemed inevitable after this past week. Two home games where they got down by 30+ in the second half. He was never a good choice for this gig - in way over his head.
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This seemed inevitable after this past week. Two home games where they got down by 30+ in the second half. He was never a good choice for this gig - in way over his head.
Would normally be excited for them getting a fresh start, but who knows who they can afford at this point.
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Somebody who knows ball.
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Would normally be excited for them getting a fresh start, but who knows who they can afford at this point.
I think they are going to target Wisconsin native Saul Phillips, the former Ohio and NDSU coach and current coach at Northern State. The AD at UWGB hired Phillips when he was at Northern State too. (He did not hire Will Ryan at GB though...)
The only complicating factor here is that Will Ryan was an assistant for Phillips, and Phillips played for Bo Ryan at Platteville.
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Will Ryan fired as Green Bay’s coach, per Goodman.
https://twitter.com/goodmanhoops/status/1617953271171416066?s=46&t=jpMH9sV154gMD5NdknjMOA
You have to at least call Tony Bennett.
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Coach at D-III Concordia-Chicago fired after six players hospitalized following hard practice held as punishment for curfew violations.
https://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/ct-concordia-mens-basketball-coach-leaves-20230124-vgdarlnnajcqbhjk5wbz5el34q-story.html
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Coach at D-III Concordia-Chicago fired after six players hospitalized following hard practice held as punishment for curfew violations.
https://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/ct-concordia-mens-basketball-coach-leaves-20230124-vgdarlnnajcqbhjk5wbz5el34q-story.html
Concordia athletes rent out the house behind me, curious if I can get any inside info on this from them.
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Concordia athletes rent out the house behind me, curious if I can get any inside info on this from them.
This the Concordia in River Forest? Grew up there. Was on that campus all the time as a kid using their sports facilities.
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I recall him doing an MU game but could be wrong.
Again Brian Butch is an announcer. Ben Brust is a radio personality. Butch has done several MU games the past 2 years. Brust is the author of the tweet
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This the Concordia in River Forest? Grew up there. Was on that campus all the time as a kid using their sports facilities.
Yeah that's the one.
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Again Brian Butch is an announcer. Ben Brust is a radio personality. Butch has done several MU games the past 2 years. Brust is the author of the tweet
I think Brust stepped in on a radio broadcast for the Bucks. Or maybe did radio for UW.
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I think they are going to target Wisconsin native Saul Phillips, the former Ohio and NDSU coach and current coach at Northern State. The AD at UWGB hired Phillips when he was at Northern State too. (He did not hire Will Ryan at GB though...)
The only complicating factor here is that Will Ryan was an assistant for Phillips, and Phillips played for Bo Ryan at Platteville.
He'd be a good hire, but that relationship might be a hurdle as you said. Beyond that, I have no idea. Grzesk?
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I'm watching KSU/ISU. Two good teams but we have more spurtability and explosiveness.
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Maybe we dodged a bullet with Porter Moser.
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I'm a fan of Markquis Nowell.
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Maybe we dodged a bullet with Porter Moser.
He wasn’t my first choice, but I think MU would have been a much better fit than Oklahoma. That seemed to be a bit of a strange fit from the start.
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Kstate leaving a lot of pts at the line. And both their studs struggling.
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I’m happy for Jamie Dixon to be having success at TCU. Pitt has to be kicking themselves.
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Key to beating Kstate. Play D and force Nowell into all those wild shots he kept trying that literally never had a prayer in going in.
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Key to beating Kstate. Play D and force Nowell into all those wild shots he kept trying that literally never had a prayer in going in.
KState strikes me as a team that will be wildly overseeded in March or fizzles dramatically before we get there
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KState strikes me as a team that will be wildly overseeded in March or fizzles dramatically before we get there
They meet all the criteria for a 3-seed that goes out the first weekend.
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They meet all the criteria for a 3-seed that goes out the first weekend.
Fun team, fun season so far. Not the 5th best team in the nation
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I still have no idea who the best team is in the B12. Iowa St. has a really solid starting 5 although Klaucher can be a little hot/cold. Defensively and on the glass they're really good. Maybe TCU has the highest ceiling?
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They meet all the criteria for a 3-seed that goes out the first weekend.
What are the criteria?
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What are the criteria?
Good, not great team. Sitting 25th in KenPom, they don’t have any elite numbers. Not a knock, just reality. Doesn’t mean they will be knocked off as a 3-seed but they’d be a few seed-lines higher than the analytics think they should be. Sort of like the Badgers last year
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Good, not great team. Sitting 25th in KenPom, they don’t have any elite numbers. Not a knock, just reality. Doesn’t mean they will be knocked off as a 3-seed but they’d be a few seed-lines higher than the analytics think they should be. Sort of like the Badgers last year
Or the Vikings this year
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Or the Vikings this year
Better than that, by far
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This the Concordia in River Forest? Grew up there. Was on that campus all the time as a kid using their sports facilities.
Same- including the most chlorinated swimming pool in the universe. My parents have lived in a condo across the street from there since 1986- year I graduated from MU.
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I’m happy for Jamie Dixon to be having success at TCU. Pitt has to be kicking themselves.
Ehh, This is Dixon's 7th season at TCU. They have won a single NCAA game and have never had a winning record in conference. They are having a great season but its not like he set the world on fire once he left.
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Ehh, This is Dixon's 7th season at TCU. They have won a single NCAA game and have never had a winning record in conference. They are having a great season but its not like he set the world on fire once he left.
There’s a ton of revisionist history among Pitt fans who think Dixon was forced out. Bottom line, Jamie was not a fan of moving to the ACC and was never able to adjust his recruiting accordingly. He was ready to move on and when a new AD came to Pitt, he had his reason to leave.
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Pitt's problem wasn't necessarily that Dixon left, it was they replaced him with Kevin Stallings, which everyone but the Pitt AD thought would be a disaster.
Hiring Capel afterwards wasn't great, but it was at least defensible.
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Ehh, This is Dixon's 7th season at TCU. They have won a single NCAA game and have never had a winning record in conference. They are having a great season but its not like he set the world on fire once he left.
But TCU hadn't gone to an NCAA Tournament since 1998 before Dixon took over and hadn't won an NCAA Tournament game since 1987. They had won 20 games just twice since the turn of the century prior to him taking over (mostly playing in CUSA and the MWC). They've won over 20 games 4 times in his first 6 seasons (and will be 5 in his first 7 after this year). Including through the first 8 Big 12 games this season, TCU has 47 conference wins in Dixon's time there (all in the Big 12). They won 46 conference games over the previous 12 seasons (spanning 3 different coaches, with 1 of those seasons in CUSA, 7 of those seasons in the MWC, and 4 of those seasons in the Big 12). Given what TCU basketball is, he pretty much has set the world on fire there.
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Ehh, This is Dixon's 7th season at TCU. They have won a single NCAA game and have never had a winning record in conference. They are having a great season but its not like he set the world on fire once he left.
So he's only won one more game than Shaka over that period coming out of the same conference?
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So he's only won one more game than Shaka over that period coming out of the same conference?
Ouch.
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But TCU hadn't gone to an NCAA Tournament since 1998 before Dixon took over and hadn't won an NCAA Tournament game since 1987. They had won 20 games just twice since the turn of the century prior to him taking over (mostly playing in CUSA and the MWC). They've won over 20 games 4 times in his first 6 seasons (and will be 5 in his first 7 after this year). Including through the first 8 Big 12 games this season, TCU has 47 conference wins in Dixon's time there (all in the Big 12). They won 46 conference games over the previous 12 seasons (spanning 3 different coaches, with 1 of those seasons in CUSA, 7 of those seasons in the MWC, and 4 of those seasons in the Big 12). Given what TCU basketball is, he pretty much has set the world on fire there.
Oh its not meant to be a dig on Dixon. Like you said, he's done great there. I meant more that if Pitt had not completely biffed it with their coaching hires, they wouldn't be looking wistfully as their old coach got to S16s or the like.
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Oh its not meant to be a dig on Dixon. Like you said, he's done great there. I meant more that if Pitt had not completely biffed it with their coaching hires, they wouldn't be looking wistfully as their old coach got to S16s or the like.
That’s fair. My comment was mostly that Pitt has been bad the last few years and Dixon is a good coach. However, it might have just been time for both parties. I don’t think things would have gotten any better for him at Pitt if his 7 years at TCU were at Pitt.
I think patience had worn fairly thin.
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For pure comedy everyone can tune into the Indiana vs minnesota game tonight.
TJD going against the Gophers who are without Garcia and Payne tonight(Carrington already out).
So the worst team in Big10 plays one of the best big men down 3 players both big men and have like 6 scholarship players I believe.
Woof
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If they are down to 6 scholarship players, they can postpone.
Just read that Minnesota is down to 7. But, IU will be without Woodson. COVID.
https://www.thedailyhoosier.com/mike-woodson-wont-coach-indiana-vs-minnesota/
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If they are down to 6 scholarship players, they can postpone.
Just read that Minnesota is down to 7. But, IU will be without Woodson. COVID.
https://www.thedailyhoosier.com/mike-woodson-wont-coach-indiana-vs-minnesota/
Yeah my bad. Its technically 7 cause Ramberg who was a former walk on got a schollie this year ha.
But is the 6 player rule even if players dont have COVID?
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Madison 55, MD 73 :D
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Madison 55, MD 73 :D
Woooooof.
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Woooooof.
Bucky sucks at basketball.
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Wisky has a soft remaining schedule. :(
But it may not be soft enough. :)
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Bucky sucks at basketball.
The math is simple. They have 5 or 6 players who played minutes tonight who have no business being in a P6 rotation. Major talent deficiency in Madison.
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This loss was all Northwestern’s fault.
Forcing the poor Badgers to play 2 games in 3 days.
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The math is simple. They have 5 or 6 players who played minutes tonight who have no business being in a P6 rotation. Major talent deficiency in Madison.
They should give Gard an extension.
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https://twitter.com/FOS/status/1618424573061660672?t=d3EFtbfGT-XRT4FaDxqM1w&s=19
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The math is simple. They have 5 or 6 players who played minutes tonight who have no business being in a P6 rotation. Major talent deficiency in Madison.
This is correct. The offense is awful
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Wisky has a soft remaining schedule. :(
But it may not be soft enough. :)
Do you really want to add a bad loss to our resume? A nonsensical take, as are some anti-Badger takes.
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https://twitter.com/FOS/status/1618424573061660672?t=d3EFtbfGT-XRT4FaDxqM1w&s=19
LOL.
I think Casper should deliver to Badger games.
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Do you really want to add a bad loss to our resume? A nonsensical take, as are some anti-Badger takes.
That game will mean nothing in the grand scheme of things.
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Houston rolls again
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NLW how we feeling?
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https://twitter.com/FOS/status/1618424573061660672?t=d3EFtbfGT-XRT4FaDxqM1w&s=19
I keep wondering how the guy got into the arena.
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https://twitter.com/FOS/status/1618424573061660672?t=d3EFtbfGT-XRT4FaDxqM1w&s=19
I’d make fun of the A10, but weird crap like that happens at Providence all the time.
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I’d make fun of the A10, but weird crap like that happens at Providence all the time.
That Jonathan Xavier fiasco
https://www.youtube.com/v/MqVGMLBOqnY
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That Jonathan Xavier fiasco
https://www.youtube.com/v/MqVGMLBOqnY
Best part is the timeout he calls.
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If Indiana loses this game they have got to be banned from the NCAA tournament.
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Do you really want to add a bad loss to our resume? A nonsensical take, as are some anti-Badger takes.
Yes.
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I keep wondering how the guy got into the arena.
Reminds me of Spicoli getting the pizza delivered to Mr. Hand's history class in Fast Times at Ridgemont High.
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Do you really want to add a bad loss to our resume? A nonsensical take, as are some anti-Badger takes.
That game is not going to have any significant impact on MU’s resume.
It’s one thing to nitpick the resume when a team is on the bubble, but unless MU falls apart they should be comfortably in the 3-6 seed range. In that area, a small blip on the resume might make a difference of a spot or 2 on the overall 68 team seed list, but is going to have an imperceptible impact on the team’s seeding and placement in the bracket and opportunity to advance in the tournament.
Teams aren’t placed in the bracket strictly according to their place on the seed list because of the need to follow other placement guidelines like avoiding early matchups between teams from the same conference. With the number of Big 12 teams that will be in the top half of the bracket there is going to be some shuffling to accomplish that.
As long as MU wins the games it should win, and finishes no worse than 15-5 in the conference, they will be comfortably in the field with a decent seed and their hopes in the tournament will be based purely on matchups and how they play.
That having been said, I hope the Badgers lose every time they take the court and I would love to see them miss the tournament. But, I suspect that they will take advantage of their weak remaining schedule and sneak into the field.
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Do you really want to add a bad loss to our resume? A nonsensical take, as are some anti-Badger takes.
Not worried about it for a nanosecond. Completely worth it.
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Hilarious video of an Uber Eats driver making a delivery at the Loyola-Duquesne game -- and stepping right onto the court, just a couple feet away from a player with the basketball:
https://twitter.com/TheAthleticCBB/status/1618426156755177472?source=pulsenewsletter&campaign=5982350
Here's the Pittsburgh Press-Gazette article:
https://www.post-gazette.com/sports/duquesne/2023/01/25/duquesne-basketball-vs-loyola-dukes-won-72-58-uber-eats-delivery-clark-iii-gunn-reece-grant/stories/202301250109?source=pulsenewsletter&campaign=5982350
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🤨
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MU82, it isn't like you to pull a Herman and post something like it is new when it has already been posted. Are you OK?
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MU82, it isn't like you to pull a Herman and post something like it is new when it has already been posted. Are you OK?
If I had seen it posted earlier, I obviously wouldn't have posted this.
A bazillion apologies.
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I keep wondering how the guy got into the arena.
Delivery people are probably let in all the time. Usually for more mundane things, but probably fell into the category of flower , balloon delivery, etc.
But now I totally have a way to sneak into a sold out arena!
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If I had seen it posted earlier, I obviously wouldn't have posted this.
A bazillion apologies.
:D
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Hilarious video of an Uber Eats driver making a delivery at the Loyola-Duquesne game -- and stepping right onto the court, just a couple feet away from a player with the basketball:
https://twitter.com/TheAthleticCBB/status/1618426156755177472?source=pulsenewsletter&campaign=5982350
Here's the Pittsburgh Press-Gazette article:
https://www.post-gazette.com/sports/duquesne/2023/01/25/duquesne-basketball-vs-loyola-dukes-won-72-58-uber-eats-delivery-clark-iii-gunn-reece-grant/stories/202301250109?source=pulsenewsletter&campaign=5982350
Hilariously fake
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Malik Hall returns for Sparty tonight. They need him
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Malik Hall returns for Sparty tonight. They need him
Uh oh - less shots for Joey? 👀
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What are the criteria?
High luck rating (#25), high seed (2/3) that doesn't match their analytics (#27 projects to a 7), narrow win margins with some ugly losses. "Elite" 3PFG% (#17) and FT% (#37) defense is another danger sign because with rare exception, those are just further functions of luck.
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https://twitter.com/barstoolsports/status/1618801680870670336
Not ideal
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Watching this Purdue-Michigan game. Michigan doesn’t seem great but Dickinson being an absolute monster down low + their play style,just seems like the type of team I’m really hoping we don’t run into when it matters.
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https://twitter.com/barstoolsports/status/1618801680870670336
Not ideal
Strange couple nights in hoops.
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Hilariously fake
Disappointed to see this. The video made me laugh but him wearing a microphone making it blatantly obvious this was a planned stunt is disappointing
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USC knocks off UCLA by 13. No one wants a 1 seed
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LIU got their first win against a D1 opponent!
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Purdue beat Michigan at Michigan by the exact same score 75-70 that Marquette lost to Purdue by at Purdue. Not that it means much or anything.
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LIU got their first win against a D1 opponent!
The NEC is so bad this year. Every team is sub-300 in kenpom.
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Purdue beat Michigan at Michigan by the exact same score 75-70 that Marquette lost to Purdue by at Purdue. Not that it means much or anything.
If anything the Michigan result says that Purdue is one of the weakest number one teams ever.
Michigan is a terrible team that is nowhere near the NCAA bubble line and was playing without two starters including its leading scorer.
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The NEC is so bad this year. Every team is sub-300 in kenpom.
Grasso leaves and the entire operation goes down the tubes
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If anything the Michigan result says that Purdue is one of the weakest number one teams ever.
Michigan is a terrible team that is nowhere near the NCAA bubble line and was playing without two starters including its leading scorer.
Game was also never at any point in doubt.
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Yes, Hunter Dickinson would be a match up problem. At least he hates the Badgers.
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Watching this Purdue-Michigan game. Michigan doesn’t seem great but Dickinson being an absolute monster down low + their play style,just seems like the type of team I’m really hoping we don’t run into when it matters.
There is no risk of MU facing Dickinson or Michigan unless MU falls apart and Michigan rallies and they meet in the NIT.
Dickinson would cause some issues for MU, but the supporting cast would have massive problems defending MU’s offense.
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If anything the Michigan result says that Purdue is one of the weakest number one teams ever.
Michigan is a terrible team that is nowhere near the NCAA bubble line and was playing without two starters including its leading scorer.
Purdue could be hurt in the tournament by the lack of high quality teams in the B14.
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If anything the Michigan result says that Purdue is one of the weakest number one teams ever.
Michigan is a terrible team that is nowhere near the NCAA bubble line and was playing without two starters including its leading scorer.
Houston lost to Temple. Does that result say that Houston is one of the weakest number one teams ever?
Alabama struggled to beat a crumbling Mississippi State team. Does that result say that Alabama is one of the weakest number one teams ever?
We can do this with every team that is projected to be a protected seed right now.
Just about every outstanding team in history -- even those good enough to go on to win titles -- can point to several losses and/or too-close-for-comfort wins against vastly inferior opponents during the course of a season.
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Purdue could be hurt in the tournament by the lack of high quality teams in the B14.
Or if they run into St. Peter’s.
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Houston lost to Temple. Does that result say that Houston is one of the weakest number one teams ever?
Alabama struggled to beat a crumbling Mississippi State team. Does that result say that Alabama is one of the weakest number one teams ever?
We can do this with every team that is projected to be a protected seed right now.
Just about every outstanding team in history -- even those good enough to go on to win titles -- can point to several losses and/or too-close-for-comfort wins against vastly inferior opponents during the course of a season.
There’s a lot more to my opinion than picking out one game.
I don’t think there’s any question that the number one seeds in this year’s tournament are going to be less imposing than they have been in many previous seasons.
There have been years when there seemed to be a big gap between the top 3 or 4 teams and everybody else, and this is not one of those years.
Considering the conference they play in, if Houston is rated number one they might well be one of the weakest number one rated teams ever.
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There’s a lot more to my opinion than picking out one game.
I don’t think there’s any question that the number one seeds in this year’s tournament are going to be less imposing than they have been in many previous seasons.
There have been years when there seemed to be a big gap between the top 3 or 4 teams and everybody else, and this is not one of those years.
Considering the conference they play in, if Houston is rated number one they might well be one of the weakest number one rated teams ever.
While I think you might be misremembering past years some, this is a reasonable take.
Using only the eye test, I will agree that this season does seem more wide open than most. I try to step away from my fandom when trying to think objectively about this kind of thing, but this season strikes me as one in which a team like Marquette -- a little flawed but extremely strong in one area -- can get to the Final Four.
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While I think you might be misremembering past years some, this is a reasonable take.
Using only the eye test, I will agree that this season does seem more wide open than most. I try to step away from my fandom when trying to think objectively about this kind of thing, but this season strikes me as one in which a team like Marquette -- a little flawed but extremely strong in one area -- can get to the Final Four.
I just posted that in the offensive efficiency thread. MU definitely has the offense to get to the final four and hopefully their defensive metrics keep going up and that gives them more of a chance. Couple that with no truly dominant team at the top and anything can happen. The stars could be aligning 82. Should be fun the next couple months.
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Watch, we’ll lose to DePaul Saturday now that final four caliber team is being thrown around.
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Watch, we’ll lose to DePaul Saturday now that final four caliber team is being thrown around.
Trap game.
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Trap game.
Classic trap game. Worried about playing down to the competetion. We’ll learn a lot about Shaka on Saturday
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Classic trap game. Worried about playing down to the competetion. We’ll learn a lot about Shaka on Saturday
Too many times being at this game to see us piss away a late lead. We really need to stomp on their throats and have the large MU contingent take the life out of the Demon fans.
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The 2018-19 team ended up having many problems that have been well (very, very well) documented. But DePaul was one problem that team didn't have.
Stomped 'em twice, including a 19-point win at Wintrust a couple weeks before the late-season collapse (and alleged letter that went with it). Markus had 23 and 36 points in the two games, Sam 19 and 17.
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Trap game.
Ha!
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Now my memory could be deceiving me a bit.
But pretty sure most our DePaul road Demons(no pun intended) have been late in season games, kinda alligning with our collapses.
This game still sneaks in in January and is really the midway point of BE season. So maybe thats something....
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Classic trap game. Worried about playing down to the competetion. We’ll learn a lot about Shaka on Saturday
Ha! Love it.
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Classic trap game. Worried about playing down to the competetion. We’ll learn a lot about Shaka on Saturday
I just hope Shaka can pass his first test.
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I just hope Shaka can pass his first test.
He will need to prove himself eventually.
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The 2018-19 team ended up having many problems that have been well (very, very well) documented. But DePaul was one problem that team didn't have.
Stomped 'em twice, including a 19-point win at Wintrust a couple weeks before the late-season collapse (and alleged letter that went with it). Markus had 23 and 36 points in the two games, Sam 19 and 17.
But the year before that loss likely kept us out of the tournament :'(
But also if we make that tournament wojos still coaching :'(
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The 2018-19 team ended up having many problems that have been well (very, very well) documented. But DePaul was one problem that team didn't have.
Stomped 'em twice, including a 19-point win at Wintrust a couple weeks before the late-season collapse (and alleged letter that went with it). Markus had 23 and 36 points in the two games, Sam 19 and 17.
Didn’t Joey get hurt during during the game at Wintrust? Jabbed in the eye if I remember correctly?
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Didn’t Joey get hurt during during the game at Wintrust? Jabbed in the eye if I remember correctly?
He suffered a bad instance of hurt feelings.
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While I think you might be misremembering past years some, this is a reasonable take.
Using only the eye test, I will agree that this season does seem more wide open than most. I try to step away from my fandom when trying to think objectively about this kind of thing, but this season strikes me as one in which a team like Marquette -- a little flawed but extremely strong in one area -- can get to the Final Four.
Keep in mind that my memory of college basketball goes back over 60 years and includes those years in the 60’s and 70’s in which teams like Ohio State, Cincinnati, UCLA, NC State, and Indiana held number one rankings, rarely lost a game, and won NCAA titles. Losing a home game to a team outside of the top 100 (like Houston losing to Temple) simply didn’t happen.
Even over the last 20 years or so there have been a lot of seasons in which teams from places like Duke, UNC, Kentucky, Arizona, Kansas, Gonzaga, etc have had clear top 1 or 2 teams and it was big news when they lost and most of those losses would come on the road to ranked teams. In some of those years, 3 of the 4 number 1 seeds have made the Final Four and one of them won the title.
This year, if the wager was over/under on 1.5 of the number one seeds making the Final Four, I would probably take the under. I just feel like the gap between the 1 seeds and the 4 and 5 seeds (and even the 8 and 9 seeds) is not as great as it often is.
I realize that my comment about Purdue was (intentionally) hyperbolic. But it reflects my feeling that being “the number one team in the nation” doesn’t carry the same aura of dominance that it often has in the past.
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Keep in mind that my memory of college basketball goes back over 60 years and includes those years in the 60’s and 70’s in which teams like Ohio State, Cincinnati, UCLA, NC State, and Indiana held number one rankings, rarely lost a game, and won NCAA titles. Losing a home game to a team outside of the top 100 (like Houston losing to Temple) simply didn’t happen.
Even over the last 20 years or so there have been a lot of seasons in which teams from places like Duke, UNC, Kentucky, Arizona, Kansas, Gonzaga, etc have had clear top 1 or 2 teams and it was big news when they lost and most of those losses would come on the road to ranked teams. In some of those years, 3 of the 4 number 1 seeds have made the Final Four and one of them won the title.
This year, if the wager was over/under on 1.5 of the number one seeds making the Final Four, I would probably take the under. I just feel like the gap between the 1 seeds and the 4 and 5 seeds (and even the 8 and 9 seeds) is not as great as it often is.
I realize that my comment about Purdue was (intentionally) hyperbolic. But it reflects my feeling that being “the number one team in the nation” doesn’t carry the same aura of dominance that it often has in the past.
If you say so.
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If you say so.
Those are my opinions. I thought that was what message boards were about.
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Those are my opinions. I thought that was what message boards were about.
No - unless you present an opinion that others agree with…
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Opinions get challenged all the time.
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Opinions get challenged all the time.
Some better than others
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Opinions get challenged all the time.
And that's a fact
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Considering the conference they play in, if Houston is rated number one they might well be one of the weakest number one rated teams ever.
My daughter goes to UCF, so I’ve watched my fair share of AAC basketball this year. If you think it is a bad conference, let me tell you that you are way way way on base. Painful to watch.
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My daughter goes to UCF, so I’ve watched my fair share of AAC basketball this year. If you think it is a bad conference, let me tell you that you are way way way on base. Painful to watch.
Are you saying it is worse than bad?
The conference has a number of teams that have good basketball traditions and have had good teams in recent seasons: Cincinnati, Memphis, Tulsa, Wichita State, Temple, SMU to name a few. But, they are all having varying degrees of down seasons, putting the conference at risk of being a one bid league and leaving Houston relatively untested.
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Opinions get challenged all the time.
True, but “if you say so” is more of a dismissal than a challenge.
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If you say so.
;D
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If you say so.
;D
:) :)
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Keep in mind that my memory of college basketball goes back over 60 years and includes those years in the 60’s and 70’s in which teams like Ohio State, Cincinnati, UCLA, NC State, and Indiana held number one rankings, rarely lost a game, and won NCAA titles. Losing a home game to a team outside of the top 100 (like Houston losing to Temple) simply didn’t happen.
Even over the last 20 years or so there have been a lot of seasons in which teams from places like Duke, UNC, Kentucky, Arizona, Kansas, Gonzaga, etc have had clear top 1 or 2 teams and it was big news when they lost and most of those losses would come on the road to ranked teams. In some of those years, 3 of the 4 number 1 seeds have made the Final Four and one of them won the title.
This year, if the wager was over/under on 1.5 of the number one seeds making the Final Four, I would probably take the under. I just feel like the gap between the 1 seeds and the 4 and 5 seeds (and even the 8 and 9 seeds) is not as great as it often is.
I realize that my comment about Purdue was (intentionally) hyperbolic. But it reflects my feeling that being “the number one team in the nation” doesn’t carry the same aura of dominance that it often has in the past.
We’re watching the same movie this year.
And your memories of the old movies match mine.
So I say so, too.
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We’re watching the same movie this year.
And your memories of the old movies match mine.
So I say so, too.
Add one more I say so.
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Watch, we’ll lose to DePaul Saturday now that final four caliber team is being thrown around.
Not February yet, wait 'till February fade
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Are you saying it is worse than bad?
The conference has a number of teams that have good basketball traditions and have had good teams in recent seasons: Cincinnati, Memphis, Tulsa, Wichita State, Temple, SMU to name a few. But, they are all having varying degrees of down seasons, putting the conference at risk of being a one bid league and leaving Houston relatively untested.
Yeah, I’ve seen multiple teams from this crop of AAC teams, and they just play unsound, not solid basketball. It’s not even a lack of talent. And they have some seemingly good coaches in the conference.
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Keep in mind that my memory of college basketball goes back over 60 years and includes those years in the 60’s and 70’s in which teams like Ohio State, Cincinnati, UCLA, NC State, and Indiana held number one rankings, rarely lost a game, and won NCAA titles. Losing a home game to a team outside of the top 100 (like Houston losing to Temple) simply didn’t happen.
Even over the last 20 years or so there have been a lot of seasons in which teams from places like Duke, UNC, Kentucky, Arizona, Kansas, Gonzaga, etc have had clear top 1 or 2 teams and it was big news when they lost and most of those losses would come on the road to ranked teams. In some of those years, 3 of the 4 number 1 seeds have made the Final Four and one of them won the title.
This year, if the wager was over/under on 1.5 of the number one seeds making the Final Four, I would probably take the under. I just feel like the gap between the 1 seeds and the 4 and 5 seeds (and even the 8 and 9 seeds) is not as great as it often is.
I realize that my comment about Purdue was (intentionally) hyperbolic. But it reflects my feeling that being “the number one team in the nation” doesn’t carry the same aura of dominance that it often has in the past.
I don’t disagree with most of what you say.
What is missing however, is context. Those great teams that rarely lost had a couple huge advantages over today’s teams.
One is the schedule. Back then, teams played fewer games and seldom played tough teams in non-con play. Nowadays, teams play tough early season games so they will have more losses.
The bigger thing though is that most of those teams had upperclassmen who were in the system for 3-4 years as their stars. That rarely happens now. So, mid-majors will have way more experienced players going against young, inexperienced guys - who are more talented - but who haven’t played a lot together.
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I don’t disagree with most of what you say.
What is missing however, is context. Those great teams that rarely lost had a couple huge advantages over today’s teams.
One is the schedule. Back then, teams played fewer games and seldom played tough teams in non-con play. Nowadays, teams play tough early season games so they will have more losses.
The bigger thing though is that most of those teams had upperclassmen who were in the system for 3-4 years as their stars. That rarely happens now. So, mid-majors will have way more experienced players going against young, inexperienced guys - who are more talented - but who haven’t played a lot together.
Very good points that are all true.
I think they expand on and explain (rather than contradict) my conclusion that being rated number one doesn’t carry the same significance that it did years ago, or when you have super talented teams like the 2015 Kentucky team that won 38 games before losing to a talented and veteran Wisconsin team that turned around and lost to a very talented Duke team.
I don’t think that teams that have been rated number one this season like Purdue and Houston, come close to towering over the rest of the field like those 3 teams did.
BTW, your comment about teams having upperclassmen as stars is one of the main reasons I have considered Xavier to be the clear favorite in the Big East.
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Very good points that are all true.
I think they expand on and explain (rather than contradict) my conclusion that being rated number one doesn’t carry the same significance that it did years ago, or when you have super talented teams like the 2015 Kentucky team that won 38 games before losing to a talented and veteran Wisconsin team that turned around and lost to a very talented Duke team.
I don’t think that teams that have been rated number one this season like Purdue and Houston, come close to towering over the rest of the field like those 3 teams did.
BTW, your comment about teams having upperclassmen as stars is one of the main reasons I have considered Xavier to be the clear favorite in the Big East.
And Kentucky had another super talented team in the 2014 national title game that lost 60-54 to super experienced UCONN that had to play in Dayton. UCONN's experience showed near the end of the game when Kentucky looked like deer in the headlights. Agree about Xavier's experience making them the favorite, but let's hope Shaka's wiliness counters that advantage.
I suggest that there was one more factor- coaching longevity. Whether it was a case of their contracts being treated like, you know, contracts or just the way things were, coaches seemed more likely to be in for the long haul.
The combination of your post and Jockey's sums it up very nicely. You guys said so, and I say so too.
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Just a point of clairification, UConn didn't play in Dayton in 2014. They were a 7-seed and opened with 10-seed St. Joe's. While it was big name programs in the final, that was a bizarre Championship Game with a 7/8 seed matchup.
But agreed completely on coaching longevity. If you get someone in and give them time to build their system, provided they know what they are doing, they should give you enough bites at the apple that you'll have some success. Even though we're only in year 2 of this project right now, I think we are positioned well to be a strong program in the next decade-plus.
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Just a point of clairification, UConn didn't play in Dayton in 2014. They were a 7-seed and opened with 10-seed St. Joe's. While it was big name programs in the final, that was a bizarre Championship Game with a 7/8 seed matchup.
But agreed completely on coaching longevity. If you get someone in and give them time to build their system, provided they know what they are doing, they should give you enough bites at the apple that you'll have some success. Even though we're only in year 2 of this project right now, I think we are positioned well to be a strong program in the next decade-plus.
Thanks for the correction, Brew. Mea Culpa. I should have looked that up as I did the score but foolishly went on memory alone.
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True, but “if you say so” is more of a dismissal than a challenge.
don’t worry about it. 82 has issues
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don’t worry about it. 82 has issues
I'm usually fine with him, but after getting into a fight with Panda over opinion vs. fact (Houston), why reply as he did when wisblue very clearly posted an opinion?
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wisblue:
I sincerely apologize for my dismissive response. I had checked Scoop in the middle of doing a bunch of investing-related stuff, it appeared we were agreeing to disagree, and I didn't feel like getting into a back-and-forth on it. I simply should have said something along the lines of "agree to disagree" instead of what I did.
As for the topic, I think one can look at any group of years and find periods with more dominant teams, and periods with seemingly no truly great teams and parity. So sure, there were past years with dominant teams, especially decades ago, but in my opinion there haven't been that many years like that in more recent times. But maybe you're right and this season is the outlier -- and if so I think we both hope Marquette takes advantage of it.
Peace. We Are Marquette!
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wisblue:
I sincerely apologize for my dismissive response. I had checked Scoop in the middle of doing a bunch of investing-related stuff, it appeared we were agreeing to disagree, and I didn't feel like getting into a back-and-forth on it. I simply should have said something along the lines of "agree to disagree" instead of what I did.
As for the topic, I think one can look at any group of years and find periods with more dominant teams, and periods with seemingly no truly great teams and parity. So sure, there were past years with dominant teams, especially decades ago, but in my opinion there haven't been that many years like that in more recent times. But maybe you're right and this season is the outlier -- and if so I think we both hope Marquette takes advantage of it.
Peace. We Are Marquette!
All good.
I’m not even sure how much we disagree.
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Alabama, ouch. That one is going to hurt the metrics.
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Alabama and Iowa State taking big losses. In terms of the poll, ISU, Auburn, and Xavier all now look ripe for the passing.
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Bucky had 16 at half :). Where’s nolonger?
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Bucky had 16 at half :). Where’s nolonger?
They finally outscored Joplin at the 13 min mark in the 2H.
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Alabama and Iowa State taking big losses. In terms of the poll, ISU, Auburn, and Xavier all now look ripe for the passing.
I don’t think Xavier should drop. Splitting road games against UConn and Creighton is not really a bad week.
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I don’t think Xavier should drop. Splitting road games against UConn and Creighton is not really a bad week.
They were never in the gane vs Creighton. I predict we will pass them.
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I don’t think Xavier should drop. Splitting road games against UConn and Creighton is not really a bad week.
They were never in the gane vs Creighton. I predict we will pass them.
You could argue X had a better week than MU.
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Bucky had 16 at half :). Where’s nolonger?
Why would any top recruit in the state who really wants to enjoy playing basketball choose mucking it up in the mud for Madison rather than flying up and down the court and sharing the ball for Marquette?
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Alabama and Iowa State taking big losses. In terms of the poll, ISU, Auburn, and Xavier all now look ripe for the passing.
I know IA state took a bad loss today, but they also beat K state at home earlier this week. I would assume they fall, but I can’t imagine 4+ spots
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I know IA state took a bad loss today, but they also beat K state at home earlier this week. I would assume they fall, but I can’t imagine 4+ spots
They don't have to fall 4+ spots. They fall 3, we move up 3, we pass them.
And as far as Xavier, this is the AP Poll, not kenpom. They lost to an unranked team. I'm pretty sure it's a rule that they have to fall.
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Mississippi State looking good early against TCU.
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Bucky had 16 at half :). Where’s nolonger?
It’s all Northwestern’s fault.
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Why would any top recruit in the state who really wants to enjoy playing basketball choose mucking it up in the mud for Madison rather than flying up and down the court and sharing the ball for Marquette?
They truly score in the 50’s. :-*
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It’s all Northwestern’s fault.
39 points with 4 minutes left - horrible basketball.
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Why would any top recruit in the state who really wants to enjoy playing basketball choose mucking it up in the mud for Madison rather than flying up and down the court and sharing the ball for Marquette?
Maybe the Varsity Collective will make it worth their while.
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39 points with 4 minutes left - horrible basketball.
Traditional Basketball.
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Does Gard look unhappy?
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Does Gard look unhappy?
I does look like Mrs. Guard packed his angry eyes for him.
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I does look like Mrs. Guard packed his angry eyes for him.
Hahahaha
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How about that Oklahoma/Bama score?
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My 3 Bucky fans called today and all want gard gone.
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How about that Oklahoma/Bama score?
Maybe Bama's not as good as everyone thinks? I don't know how to explain it.
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My 3 Bucky fans called today and all want gard gone.
Considering Guard is only allowed to have two time Rhodes Scholars in biochemistry on his team, I think he does a good job.
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Maybe Bama's not as good as everyone thinks? I don't know how to explain it.
They crash the offensive glass so hard, if you get rebounds against them, you can run and score on them. Teams also haven’t shot the 3 well against them and that’s somewhat lucky. Today? OU was 9 of 13 and Bama was 6 of 22. Bama entered today with the nations 4th best defensive effective fg% and OU shot 57%. Might have been a perfect storm game
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Baylor beat Ark.
Miss St./TCU in overtime
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Jop and Kolek combining for 52 on a day Wisconsin scores 51. Neither of those two are among MU's top 3 scorers this season. Kinda funny!
Gard's seat has gotta be getting warm. Badger fans are feeling bold after seeing Fickell clean up in the transfer portal. They don't care about 2 conference titles and B1G COY awards. Many are ready to move on.
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Baylor beat Ark.
Miss St./TCU in overtime
Miss State wins.
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Miss St wins knocks off number 11 TCU
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I expect MU to jump at least 4 spots, possibly 5.
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Huge win for MSU, doubly good for us. Excellent day for Marquette basketball so far.
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By my count, 8 top 25 teams have lost so far today, including Charleston losing to Hofstra.
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Huge win for MSU, doubly good for us. Excellent day for Marquette basketball so far.
Not a good week for many in the T-25. MU on the other hand dropped the hammer twice.
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My opinion of the B14 conference:
Just sayin.
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Not a good week for many in the T-25. MU on the other hand dropped the hammer twice.
Impressive, especially since Marquette only played once this week.
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Impressive, especially since Marquette only played once this week.
Oh.....I forgot the Hall game was a full week ago. My apologies.
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Badgers friends sharing posts that says McIntosh looking to move on guard -can coach but can’t recruit.
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Portland sticking with Gonzaga, down 56-54 with about 8 to play.
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Badgers friends sharing posts that says McIntosh looking to move on guard -can coach but can’t recruit.
I'm hearing the same.
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Portland sticking with Gonzaga, down 56-54 with about 8 to play.
And Gonzaga immediately went on a 9-0 run and now lead by 14. Pilots are crashing.
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I understand this year is not going how WI fans want it to (And I’m loving it). But hasn’t that program overachieved the past few years?
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I understand this year is not going how WI fans want it to (And I’m loving it). But hasn’t that program overachieved the past few years?
Yes but their AD may be tired of the level of boredom he has experienced watching them.
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I understand this year is not going how WI fans want it to (And I’m loving it). But hasn’t that program overachieved the past few years?
Don’t underestimate their off the charts level of entitlement. Firing Gard after this year would be criminal.
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Even die hard fans are getting tired of the low-scoring slog fests. Especially now since they are losing them.
Don’t underestimate their off the charts level of entitlement. Firing Gard after this year would be criminal.
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I understand this year is not going how WI fans want it to (And I’m loving it). But hasn’t that program overachieved the past few years?
Madison has "overachieved" partly because its coach isn't very good at a huge part of the job -- bringing in P6-level talent.
The only thing worse than being a boring basketball team is being a boring and bad basketball team.
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UW isn't going to fire Gard this year. But if they miss the tournament this year and next? I can see it happening. Look, it is undeniable that college sports has changed the last few years. You can't simply rely on recruiting overlooked talent, having them bide their time and develop. And McIntosh seems to realize this and has the $$$ to toss around.
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UW isn't going to fire Gard this year. But if they miss the tournament this year and next? I can see it happening. Look, it is undeniable that college sports has changed the last few years. You can't simply rely on recruiting overlooked talent, having them bide their time and develop. And McIntosh seems to realize this and has the $$$ to toss around.
So it makes sense that they fired Cryst midway through this season but it's inconceivable Gard will be fired if they don't make the tournament?
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So it makes sense that they fired Crist midway through this season but it's inconceivable Gard will be fired if they don't make the tournament?
They won the Big Ten last year. If Chryst had done the same, he wouldn't have been fired.
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So it makes sense that they fired Crist midway through this season but it's inconceivable Gard will be fired if they don't make the tournament?
Yep, just like no way Wojo was going to be fired.
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UW isn't going to fire Gard this year. But if they miss the tournament this year and next? I can see it happening. Look, it is undeniable that college sports has changed the last few years. You can't simply rely on recruiting overlooked talent, having them bide their time and develop. And McIntosh seems to realize this and has the $$$ to toss around.
Why are you so sure Gard won’t be fired after this season? No one expected Chryst to be fired, especially early October. This isn’t the Badgers under Hirsch in the 80’s.
They looked awful in last year’s tournament and now they’re crapping the bed before February. Gard is in big trouble IMO (and should be).
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Yep, just like no way Wojo was going to be fired.
Exactly
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Why are you so sure Gard won’t be fired after this season? No one expected Chryst to be fired, especially early October. This isn’t the Badgers under Hirsch in the 80’s.
They looked awful in last year’s tournament and now they’re crapping the bed before February. Gard is in big trouble IMO (and should be).
I would be surprised. They won the Big Ten last year and finished ranked #14. That's not anything like Chyst's last couple of seasons.
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Gard is also no one’s guy in Madison except the guy who’s long gone from that program.
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They won the Big Ten last year. If Chryst had done the same, he wouldn't have been fired.
Fluffy, I respectfully disagree. I'm not arguing he should be fired but who really knows what McIntosh is thinking?
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Gard is also no one’s guy in Madison except the guy who’s long gone from that program.
That's not actually not entirely accurate. A lot of $$ that supported Bo now supports Gard. Are they grumbling? Will they force a change? I guess we will see.
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Fluffy, I respectfully disagree. I'm not arguing he should be fired but who really knows what McIntosh is thinking?
I hate admitting this, but Ryan and Bennett elevated that program to where they’re much better than settling for Gard. They certainly would be able to hire someone better than him, especially as a recruiter.
Hope McIntosh is consumed with Fickell and building football back though. ;D
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That's not actually not entirely accurate. A lot of $$ that supported Bo now supports Gard. Are they grumbling? Will they force a change? I guess we will see.
It’s completely accurate. No AD or anyone connected still to UW hired Gard.
And there’s grumbling.
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I hate admitting this, but Ryan and Bennett elevated that program to where they’re much better than settling for Gard. They certainly would be able to hire someone better than him, especially as a recruiter.
Hope McIntosh is consumed with Fickell and building football back though. ;D
He and the delusional rodent fan base probably think they can get Jay Wright or Billy Donovan.
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He and the delusional rodent fan base probably think they can get Jay Wright or Billy Donovan.
They are insufferable.
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It’s completely accurate. No AD or anyone connected still to UW hired Gard.
And there’s grumbling.
No its not accurate. Believe me, the money that supported Bo is still supporting Gard. If you think looking internally to the athletic department is all that matters, that is an extremely narrow point of view. When I see UW play, I still can name three or four boosters right behind his bench. If they threaten to pull their support, McIntosh will consider a change. But I don't think they are at that point yet. Next year without improvement? I can see it. But I don't see it this year.
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No its not accurate. Believe me, the money that supported Bo is still supporting Gard. If you think looking internally to the athletic department is all that matters, that is an extremely narrow point of view. When I see UW play, I still can name three or four boosters right behind his bench. If they threaten to pull their support, McIntosh will consider a change. But I don't think they are at that point yet. Next year without improvement? I can see it. But I don't see it this year.
Are you one of those three or four boosters? Scale of 1-10, how big of Badger fan are you Fluffy? Were you at The Mecca tailgate?
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Are you one of those three or four boosters? Scale of 1-10, how big of Badger fan are you Fluffy? Were you at The Mecca tailgate?
No. 1. No.
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Easy, peasy...McIntosh didant higher Gard.
Adios m'fer and da horse ya road inn on, hey?
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let's see how this NIL thingy plays out in b-ball...reading stories of these athletes coming in with demands for money and placement of friends and family into grad schools etc. sounding more and more like free agents?? ncaa gonna need to get control of this juggernaut before it really get's out of control. i used to joke about schools exceeding the salary cap
here's what's happening in football-i can only assume b-ball is going thru similar, but with fewer players needed, i could see some eye-popping numbers coming
https://www.foxnews.com/sports/alabamas-nick-saban-rejected-2-players-searching-1-3-million-combined-nil-money-report
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Easy, peasy...McIntosh didant higher Gard.
Adios m'fer and da horse ya road inn on, hey?
That would be the green horse he rode in on.
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He and the delusional rodent fan base probably think they can get Jay Wright or Billy Donovan.
or Shaka
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He and the delusional rodent fan base probably think they can get Jay Wright or Billy Donovan.
You do know that they can get Tony Bennett at anytime they want?
And how long before we hear “Shaka’s from Madison, he wants to coach in the Big 10”
They are delusional, and getting Fickell will make the Walmart Badgers even more delusional.
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Huge UWM comeback and road win yesterday. Quietly putting together a very solid and surprising season. Lundy can really coach apparently, happy for him.
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Huge UWM comeback and road win yesterday. Quietly putting together a very solid and surprising season. Lundy can really coach apparently, happy for him.
You mean UWMKE
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let's see how this NIL thingy plays out in b-ball...reading stories of these athletes coming in with demands for money and placement of friends and family into grad schools etc. sounding more and more like free agents?? ncaa gonna need to get control of this juggernaut before it really get's out of control. i used to joke about schools exceeding the salary cap
here's what's happening in football-i can only assume b-ball is going thru similar, but with fewer players needed, i could see some eye-popping numbers coming
https://www.foxnews.com/sports/alabamas-nick-saban-rejected-2-players-searching-1-3-million-combined-nil-money-report
Friends and family to grad school? Wasn't there a court case about this recently......
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or Shaka
Deep inside sources, they already reaching to him....
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Friends and family to grad school? Wasn't there a court case about this recently......
good question. we will probably be hearing more and more about how the "student-athletes" test the system.
calling scott boras?
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NYTimes Magazine's cover story is about NIL. It mostly talks about how a relatively small number of athletes earning a ton of $$$ threatens the ability of athletic departments to fund all programs.
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/01/24/magazine/ncaa-nba-student-athlete.html?campaign_id=9&emc=edit_nn_20230129&instance_id=83979&nl=the-morning®i_id=108420427&segment_id=123846&te=1&user_id=d36dcf821462fdd16ec3636710a855fa
The article was very interesting IMHO. Still, I've always been for compensating the young people who make college sports possible, and nothing in that article has changed my mind. And as a capitalist, I support each individual's right to earn as much, legally, as he or she can. If a wide receiver or point guard's NIL deals indirectly end up causing the elimination of a school's swimming program, well, nobody said life is fair. And nobody is asking the head football and/or basketball coach to give up any of his or her millions in salary and endorsements to help fund field hockey.
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Oh give me a break Bubba Cunningham. He's been overseeing Carolina athletics for over a decade. He has gotten personally wealthy and handed out contracts that have made coaches wealthy as well. He has secured millions of dollars for various infrastructure projects benefitting athletics. And now he is fretting because they may need to drop a couple sports because Armando Bacot is driving a new car and has $500,000 in NIL deals?
The entire system was based on misaligned resources because some of the people who provided value (the players) were not allowed to earn what the market dictated they earn. Furthermore, Bubba has been active in NCAA governance for YEARS. Anyone with a brain could see where this was going. The NCAA could have figured this out long ago, but they largely ignored it. He was part of that.
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Oh give me a break Bubba Cunningham. He's been overseeing Carolina athletics for over a decade. He has gotten personally wealthy and handed out contracts that have made coaches wealthy as well. He has secured millions of dollars for various infrastructure projects benefitting athletics. And now he is fretting because they may need to drop a couple sports because Armando Bacot is driving a new car and has $500,000 in NIL deals?
The entire system was based on misaligned resources because some of the people who provided value (the players) were not allowed to earn what the market dictated they earn. Furthermore, Bubba has been active in NCAA governance for YEARS. Anyone with a brain could see where this was going. The NCAA could have figured this out long ago, but they largely ignored it. He was part of that.
That was my reaction to Bubba's crocodile tears, too.
Hard to feel sorry for an AD whose department funneled athletes into fake classes for years so guys like him could stuff their pockets with cash.
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Deep inside sources, they already reaching to him....
Probably should start rooting for Badger victories so Gard can keep his job.
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Who would want the badger job that is high level? Would the fan base accept a new system? Could someone recruit the athletes required for a new system to Wisconsin? Would the fan base accept a more colorful team?
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The fanbase is thrilled with the changes in the style of play for football. They've been running a slow down, defensive oriented system since Dick Bennett got into town in 1995. I think they would LOVE to win with a system like Shaka's versus what they've been seeing for nearly thirty years.
Could someone recruit Shaka type players to Wisconsin? Sure. Shaka's recruiting them to Marquette right? There is only one scholarship player from Wisconsin on the Warriors' roster. I think where the player is from counts less and less in days where players attend prep schools, sign NIL deals, etc. They're going to go where they objectively see the best fit. (Obviously there are exceptions to this.) UW has the cache and the money to land these guys regardless of where they are from.
The question is are they going to be able to find and hire the basketball equivalent to Luke Fickell? And who is that?
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Tennessee has moved past Houston to the top of the kenpom rankings.
Pretty big gap after those 2 to UCLA, Purdue, Alabama, UConn, St. Mary's (yikes) and Marquette.
We're still #1 on offense, Baylor 2nd.
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Who would want the badger job that is high level? Would the fan base accept a new system? Could someone recruit the athletes required for a new system to Wisconsin? Would the fan base accept a more colorful team?
How about Lundy?
Too big of a reach too soon, or getting the next great young coach?
I’d make the move
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Will Ryan is available.
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No its not accurate. Believe me, the money that supported Bo is still supporting Gard. If you think looking internally to the athletic department is all that matters, that is an extremely narrow point of view. When I see UW play, I still can name three or four boosters right behind his bench. If they threaten to pull their support, McIntosh will consider a change. But I don't think they are at that point yet. Next year without improvement? I can see it. But I don't see it this year.
Trust this man - he’s the authority on all things Wisconsin sports.
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The fanbase is thrilled with the changes in the style of play for football.
I find this a little funny. Granted I don't follow Wisconsin football or much of the Big10, but some fan bases around the country would be upset with "going back" to Fickell's style of offense.
That said, I think it was a very good hire. I think he will do very well.
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Trust this man - he’s the authority on all things Wisconsin sports.
come on man! only wisconsin sports?? way to dis a guy...the most interesting man in the world has a learning disability compared to sully
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I find this a little funny. Granted I don't follow Wisconsin football or much of the Big10, but some fan bases around the country would be upset with "going back" to Fickell's style of offense.
That said, I think it was a very good hire. I think he will do very well.
There’s a bit of a chasm between the old guard alum and the Shopko Badger fans with regard to this hire. If he struggles, I’ll be curious how it plays out.
I don’t think it’s Rich Rod at Michigan but I wouldn’t rule it out.
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There’s a bit of a chasm between the old guard alum and the Shopko Badger fans with regard to this hire. If he struggles, I’ll be curious how it plays out.
I don’t think it’s Rich Rod at Michigan but I wouldn’t rule it out.
Count me amongst the Shopko badger football fans, I think it was an excellent hire and Fickell will do well.
Or least better than Chryst the past few years.
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Count me amongst the Shopko badger football fans, I think it was an excellent hire and Fickell will do well.
Or least better than Chryst the past few years.
I think you’re right but a Badger civil war would be fun
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I think you’re right but a Badger civil war would be fun
And most of the civil war amongst the badgers fans is the “old guard” wanting to preserve thier “old guard” status. Change bring new coaches, less connections, and less influence.
Same for the board posters who kept saying “Chryst will never get fired” and “it’s jimmy’s job done deal”.
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They've been running a slow down, defensive oriented system since Dick Bennett got into town in 1995. I think they would LOVE to win with a system like Shaka's versus what they've been seeing for nearly thirty years.
Can that win in the Big 10? Honestly curious because not many really try and push tempo in that league.
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BNSF and UPN railways called me in for some track repairs 🤣
In non-Badger/BigEast news,
Villanova is retiring Jalen Brunson’s #1 on Feb 8 vs DePaul
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Can that win in the Big 10? Honestly curious because not many really try and push tempo in that league.
I don’t want to see Nate Oats try it
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I don’t want to see Nate Oats try it
Same, but I don't think we have much to worry about there.
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Same, but I don't think we have much to worry about there.
Murder He Wrote Oats is untouchable right now
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Some delusional Badger fans already tossing around names like Tony Bennett, Shaka, Nate Oats, and TJ Otzelberger.
Not sure who the realistic candidates will be but I'm sure McIntosh is already preparing a list.
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Some delusional Badger fans already tossing around names like Tony Bennett, Shaka, Nate Oats, and TJ Otzelberger.
Not sure who the realistic candidates will be but I'm sure McIntosh is already preparing a list.
LOL. And you forgot Jay Wright, Brad Stevens, Billy D, Few, Drew, Sampson, Pop, and Phil Jackson. Maybe they'll get Ime Udoka?
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Haha—Luke Fickell hasn’t won a single game for UW. Maybe pump the brakes on anointing him the next coming.
Big, public universities in the upper midwest tend to recruit locally(within the state or neighboring states). Im quite confident UW will not be heading into NYC to grab 4 and 5 star bball players regardless of the coach. What they have the greatest access to is players in Wisconsin and Minnesota…..and thats what they will likely get.
UW is not Kentucky or Kansas or even MU for that matter.
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John Higgins ref’d last nights 9pm CST tip in Palo Alto between Cal/Stanford.
He’s now ref’ing today’s 11:15 am CST tip between MSU/Purdue in West Lafayette.
I mean, that’s almost impossible to accomplish on a whole bunch of levels. It’s also insane.
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Edey is a load. Right now Izzo has no answers.
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Edey is a load. Right now Izzo has no answers.
hoggard should never come out of the game
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Despite 3 points and 3 rebounds from Joey Hauser, Sparty finds themselves down 17 with 5 minutes left at Purdue.
Spartans looking at another middling season in the Big Ten. Hall of Fame coach just doesn’t have enough talent
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Despite 3 points and 3 rebounds from Joey Hauser, Sparty finds themselves down 17 with 5 minutes left at Purdue.
Spartans looking at another middling season in the Big Ten. Hall of Fame coach just doesn’t have enough talent
They still might be the 3rd best team in the B14.
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They still might be the 3rd best team in the B14.
Now Hoggard has to be restrained by Hall of Fame coach Tom Izzo as Hoggard jaws at his teammates. Very interesting
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They still might be the 3rd best team in the B14.
The Big 14 is Purdue on level one, Indiana and Rutgers a level down, then a bunch of average at best teams.
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Wonder if Izzo will blame Twitter after the game
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Wonder if Izzo will blame Twitter after the game
Edey apparently wasn't phased by Izzo's strategy.
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Edey apparently wasn't phased by Izzo's strategy.
He just toyed with the Spartans
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Edey apparently wasn't phased by Izzo's strategy.
I think every single big msu plays this year has a career game
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I think every single big msu plays this year has a career game
Sparty’s interior defense doesn’t exist
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Despite 3 points and 3 rebounds from Joey Hauser, Sparty finds themselves down 17 with 5 minutes left at Purdue.
Be nice. Joey finished with 3 points and 5 rebounds!
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Be nice. Joey finished with 3 points and 5 rebounds!
Heckuva player, aina?
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Now Hoggard has to be restrained by Hall of Fame coach Tom Izzo as Hoggard jaws at his teammates. Very interesting
Letter coming up?
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Letter coming up?
Hall of Fame coach Tom Izzo better get control of his roster
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Be nice. Joey finished with 3 points and 5 rebounds!
Did he "defend" Edey?
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Heckuva player, aina?
I remember going to an open practice with my wife when Joey was a frosh and the next big recruit at Marquette.
I’m watching practice thinking to myself ‘this dude doesn’t look that impressive’ so I ask my wife what her thoughts are on the little Hauser and she goes
“Well he doesn’t seem very athletic, he’s pretty slow, and he seems like he’s got kind of a crappy attitude.”
She didn’t know ball, but she was definitely on to something.
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I remember going to an open practice with my wife when Joey was a frosh and the next big recruit at Marquette.
I’m watching practice thinking to myself ‘this dude doesn’t look that impressive’ so I ask my wife what her thoughts are on the little Hauser and she goes
“Well he doesn’t seem very athletic, he’s pretty slow, and he seems like he’s got kind of a crappy attitude.”
She didn’t know ball, but she was definitely on to something.
He’d excel in a league like the A-10. Teams with brutes and athletic bigs are too much for him. Also, this isn’t the most talented Spartans team. He’d thrive in a role where he can grab boards and shoot 3’s and play in a more efficient offense. Sparty offense is just stagnant and inefficient
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He’d excel in a league like the A-10. Teams with brutes and athletic bigs are too much for him. Also, this isn’t the most talented Spartans team. He’d thrive in a role where he can grab boards and shoot 3’s and play in a more efficient offense. Sparty offense is just stagnant and inefficient
He is a great shooter and a decent rebounder.
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He’d excel in a league like the A-10. Teams with brutes and athletic bigs are too much for him. Also, this isn’t the most talented Spartans team. He’d thrive in a role where he can grab boards and shoot 3’s and play in a more efficient offense. Sparty offense is just stagnant and inefficient
That actually is his role in Sparty's offense. He usually just stands outside the 3-point line, ready to shoot if he gets a pass. It has to bring back so many fond memories of playing with Markus ... except he's now playing with TWO guards who often don't particularly enjoy passing him the basketball.
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That actually is his role in Sparty's offense. He usually just stands outside the 3-point line, ready to shoot if he gets a pass. It has to bring back so many fond memories of playing with Markus ... except he's now playing with TWO guards who often don't particularly enjoy passing him the basketball.
I’m a bit surprised that Izzo doesn’t reign them in a bit unless he thinks it’s their only chance to win.
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Purdue was the better team vs MU but don't forget we had a lead in the 2nd half and are playing much better hoops right now. No team in the country will scare our group
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He is a great shooter and a decent rebounder.
Yup. On this team, they aren’t maximizing that
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Hall of Fame coach Tom Izzo better get control of his roster
Yes, that Hall of Famer needs your sagacious counsel
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Yes, that Hall of Famer needs your sagacious counsel
Agree
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Yup. On this team, they aren’t maximizing that
Has a hard time getting open, a little slow a foot.
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Is Joey 30 yet?
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If the final 36 minutes are the same as the first 4 minutes of this Texas/Baylor game not sure how either fanbase survives. Anxiety levels are going to spike.
Both teams playing like they got rabies right now
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Texas Tech was favored against Iowa St?
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It's tough.....I suppose we want Baylor over Tex.
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Texas Tech was favored against Iowa St?
Damn, that was free money. Or did TTU get back a bunch of injured players?
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Damn, that was free money. Or did TTU get back a bunch of injured players?
Unless my phone is wrong TTU was -1.5? WTF?
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I mentioned it yesterday here about John Higgins insane late night cross country trip, and noticed he’s in Austin tonight for Baylor/UT. This is his third game in 48 hours.
For kicks, I looked up his schedule for the last week.
Last Tuesday - Piscataway for PSU/Rutgers
Wednesday - San Diego for USU/SDSU
Thursday - Corvallis for Utah/Or St
Friday - Off
Saturday - 7pm PST Palo Alto for Cal/Stanford
Sunday - 12:15 pm EST West Lafayette for MSU/Purdue
Monday - Austin for Baylor/UT
I’d bet money if I could on him being in Lawrence tomorrow night. Just a ridiculous schedule.
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Texas Tech was favored against Iowa St?
I bet on ISU within 5 seconds of seeing they were getting +125 ML odds.
Not sure what Vegas was doing. But boy is it nice when those bets slip through
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I bet on ISU within 5 seconds of seeing they were getting +125 ML odds.
Not sure what Vegas was doing. But boy is it nice when those bets slip through
They did play then close in Ames.....or not.
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Perhaps I wrote too soon.....wow.
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Baylors live by the guard die by the guard really came into play here.
I think every time they had a chance to tie one of the guards took just a god awful forced shot.
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Iowa State and Texas Tech going to OT.
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That was an epic meltdown from Iowa St. Wow just wow. Not sure they can recover in overtime.
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ISU was up 59-36 with 12:30 to go, unbelievable.
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ISU was up 59-36 with 12:30 to go, unbelievable.
Maybe they shouldn't have been ahead of us in the polls?? :)
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How the heck does Vegas nail a game like this? Makes so little sense that it appears fishy. What did Kenpom have to say bout this one?
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I bet on ISU within 5 seconds of seeing they were getting +125 ML odds.
Not sure what Vegas was doing. But boy is it nice when those bets slip through
Apparently Vegas was just toying with me.....
What an epic choke job though wow.
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Apparently Vegas was just toying with me.....
What an epic choke job though wow.
Incredible on both levels. That was an all-time choke job by the players and coaches from Iowa St.
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Texas Tech covered.
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How the heck does Vegas nail a game like this? Makes so little sense that it appears fishy. What did Kenpom have to say bout this one?
TT 66-64.
Oops, I was looking at the ISU page which said W 66-64. Still, Ken Pom had it as a close game.
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How the heck does Vegas nail a game like this? Makes so little sense that it appears fishy. What did Kenpom have to say bout this one?
KenPom had IAST as a two point favorite.
What an ugly last possession, three shots, each more ugly than the last
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I am firmly of the belief that ISU wins that game if Otzelberger has a shirt that actually fits.
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TJO might be a great coach, but that was not a great coaching job down the stretch. A bunch of hero-ball 3-point heaves when they didn’t even need them. Well-earned loss.
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TJO might be a great coach, but that was not a great coaching job down the stretch. A bunch of hero-ball 3-point heaves when they didn’t even need them. Well-earned loss.
Not to mention the 13 or so turnovers against the TTU press.
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Well MU just just bumped up 1 in the rankings at least. Baylor actually looked pretty good in their loss too. Texas just didn’t miss in the last 5 minutes, including all their FTs down the stretch. I bet against Baylor bc I still just can’t get that Marquette beat down out of my brain
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Not to mention the 13 or so turnovers against the TTU press.
TJO put way too much trust in the freshman point guard.
Kid was rattled and already cant shoot as it is. The offense stalled big time.
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From 10:10 - 4:20 in the second half, ISU had 8 turnovers and 0 (!!!) attempts from the floor.
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Texas Tech beat Iowa State by the same score 80-77 in Overtime that Marquette last to UW to in overtime. Not that it means much or anything
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Vegas always knows
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Texas Tech beat Iowa State by the same score 80-77 in Overtime that Marquette last to UW to in overtime. Not that it means much or anything
Why do you keep posting stuff like this
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I have no idea how Baylor stayed in that game last night. It constantly felt like they were chasing the game and it was surprising they were keeping it to a couple possessions; it really felt like it should've been a double-digit lead for Texas all night. Too bad the Bears couldn't steal it, but good game.
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From 10:10 - 4:20 in the second half, ISU had 8 turnovers and 0 (!!!) attempts from the floor.
Absurd.
I’d melt down if Marquette did this.
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Sheeee-ittttt. People here meltdown over one turnover.
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Stuff happens
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Damn, that was free money. Or did TTU get back a bunch of injured players?
This did not age well.
I guess that's why I don't bet on sports.
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I mentioned it yesterday here about John Higgins insane late night cross country trip, and noticed he’s in Austin tonight for Baylor/UT. This is his third game in 48 hours.
For kicks, I looked up his schedule for the last week.
Last Tuesday - Piscataway for PSU/Rutgers
Wednesday - San Diego for USU/SDSU
Thursday - Corvallis for Utah/Or St
Friday - Off
Saturday - 7pm PST Palo Alto for Cal/Stanford
Sunday - 12:15 pm EST West Lafayette for MSU/Purdue
Monday - Austin for Baylor/UT
I’d bet money if I could on him being in Lawrence tomorrow night. Just a ridiculous schedule.
Higgins is indeed working in Lawrence tonight.
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Clemson is ranked
And in reality should not even be in the tournament.
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Fordham blows St. Louis off the court in the second half. If the Big East expands, this is a clear referendum on Fordham’s worth vs. St. Louis
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Buzz and Co missed a big bubble win opportunity.
Still in jepardy of another NIT post game rant....
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Buzz and Co missed a big bubble win opportunity.
Still in jepardy of another NIT post game rant....
7-1 in the SEC and on the bubble - Buzz must have had a terrible nonconference...
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7-1 in the SEC and on the bubble - Buzz must have had a terrible nonconference...
Yeah he had his insane rant last year. Then went with another brutal non con schedule.
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7-1 in the SEC and on the bubble - Buzz must have had a terrible nonconference...
Buzz just can’t help himself with those brutal OOC schedules, it’s become a staple of his.
What happened to Muss and Arkansas? Wasn’t that team supposed to be elite this year?
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7-1 in the SEC and on the bubble - Buzz must have had a terrible nonconference...
It was awful. Neutral court losses to Murray State and Colorado. Losses to Boise State, Memphis and Wofford. Best non-con win is DePaul
He should get to 20 wins and has home games against Arkansas, Tennessee and Alabama. Team has been much better in league play
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Buzz just can’t help himself with those brutal OOC schedules, it’s become a staple of his.
What happened to Muss and Arkansas? Wasn’t that team supposed to be elite this year?
Some injuries.
But also just not as good as expected. They really cant shoot at all. And not elite enough inside the arc to make up for it.
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Some injuries.
But also just not as good as expected. They really cant shoot at all. And not elite enough inside the arc to make up for it.
A Buzz team that can’t shoot? Never saw that before
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A Buzz team that can’t shoot? Never saw that before
That was about Arkansas ha
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That was about Arkansas ha
Them, too. 31% from 3 🥶
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Fordham blows St. Louis off the court in the second half. If the Big East expands, this is a clear referendum on Fordham’s worth vs. St. Louis
Didn't we want to be SLU at one point by people who know ball?
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Vandy playing Bama very competitively.
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This is the lamest thing I’ve ever seen a college athletic department do: https://twitter.com/theorangekrush/status/1620956279739916288?s=46&t=VWWBHd-Aztxv1-S89I1fLw
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This is the lamest thing I’ve ever seen a college athletic department do: https://twitter.com/theorangekrush/status/1620956279739916288?s=46&t=VWWBHd-Aztxv1-S89I1fLw
Read down into the thread. The group apparently ordered the tickets under false pretenses, claiming they were for the Boys and Girls Club. When Iowa found out, they canceled the tickets and then gave the seats to actual kids from the actual Boys and Girls Club.
If that's true, sounds like it was the Krushers who were the lame ones.
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Read down into the thread. The group apparently ordered the tickets under false pretenses, claiming they were for the Boys and Girls Club. When Iowa found out, they canceled the tickets and then gave the seats to actual kids from the actual Boys and Girls Club.
If that's true, sounds like it was the Krushers who were the lame ones.
Yeah, I saw that after posting. crapty on the college kids’ part. I don’t blame them for trying to swindle cheap tickets as much as I do for going public when caught. Stoopid.
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OrangeKrush is a non-profit. Have to do so many community service hours and donations to charity to be apart of it.
It’s clever wording from Iowa, group tickets for Iowa are the same no matter what they organization. They’re being soft and trying to save face.
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OrangeKrush is a non-profit. Have to do so many community service hours and donations to charity to be apart of it.
It’s clever wording from Iowa, group tickets for Iowa are the same no matter what they organization. They’re being soft and trying to save face.
Well, we have some conflicting stories here. I don't know which is true, which is why I said "if."
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If an Illinois non-profit fan group bought the tickets, it's cowardice for Iowa to invalidate them, full stop. Pawning them off to a local charity is just trying to dress their cowardice in generosity. Either way, Iowa Athletics is full of s***.
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If an Illinois non-profit fan group bought the tickets, it's cowardice for Iowa to invalidate them, full stop. Pawning them off to a local charity is just trying to dress their cowardice in generosity. Either way, Iowa Athletics is full of s***.
Eh. You can't claim a not-for-profit discount then tell them its for a different not-for-profit. Misrepresenting who you are actually buying the tickets for isn't a great look.
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Eh. You can't claim a not-for-profit discount then tell them its for a different not-for-profit. Misrepresenting who you are actually buying the tickets for isn't a great look.
Agreed. Bad look for both.
Well done Big 10.
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Agreed. Bad look for both.
Well done Big 10.
This. If you read through the thread one member eventually says 'because they wouldn't let us buy them we said who we were plus the sneak in surprise is half the fun!'
Bad look by both, worse for Iowa IMO
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This. If you read through the thread one member eventually says 'because they wouldn't let us buy them we said who we were plus the sneak in surprise is half the fun!'
Bad look by both, worse for Iowa IMO
This is about where I am at. Both come off bad on this.
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This is about where I am at. Both come off bad on this.
Iowa looks really dumb and petty - it’s not like they’ve been selling out their games.
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Except one is a bunch of college kids, the other are grown ass adults in the Iowa admin barring said college kids from attending a game.
Way worse look for Iowa
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Except one is a bunch of college kids, the other are grown ass adults in the Iowa admin barring said college kids from attending a game.
Way worse look for Iowa
From a national perspective, it looks worse for Iowa. But I don't think they, or the locals, really care all that much. In the end, it's a big nothingburger.
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Iowa looks really dumb and petty - it’s not like they’ve been selling out their games.
I think they both look petty. U of I students tried to get a nice discount on a large block of seats by posing as Boys and Girls Club. That's pretty shady--even for dumb college kids.
Iowa looks dumb for cancelling them regardless.
Both look bad. No one wins except for the actual Boys and Girls club that is going to the game now.
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Except one is a bunch of college kids, the other are grown ass adults in the Iowa admin barring said college kids from attending a game.
Way worse look for Iowa
1) College adults, nobody ever considers that if this were a group of soldiers or contractors or service industry folks not one person would be calling them "kids"
2) Iowa's definitely winning the petty war. That being said if these students had just applied for the group discount as a charitable org in the first place they'd be winning this PR war easily.
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Honest question, is it standard practice to keep students from an opposing school to buy tickets in bulk? I can't imagine Marquette allowing a group of Wisconsin students to buy out a section of Fiserv for a Marquette Creighton game. Obviously opposing fans can buy individual tickets, but it seems reasonable to me for an athletic department to decline to sell an entire section to a conference rival's students. If an athletic department wants to sacrifice potential ticket sales in exchange for preserving their home court advantage, I think that's their prerogative. If that's the standard practice, then the Illinois students misrepresenting themselves as a Boys and Girls Club to get around it is pretty sh*tty.
I don't know, I think I'm with Iowa on this one.
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And the award for worst uniforms goes to....
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And the award for worst uniforms goes to....
Lol. I think the Badgers are trying too hard to be cool.
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Did the Big 10 change the rules of basketball and make baskets worth 4 points? Badgers have 33 points in 16 min.
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Did the Big 10 change the rules of basketball and make baskets worth 4 points? Badgers have 33 points in 16 min.
I can't believe how bad the Big Ten is. For hearing nothing but Big Ten talk every week, the games they play make them all look terrible.
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I can't believe how bad the Big Ten is. For hearing nothing but Big Ten talk every week, the games they play make them all look terrible.
Ohio State is an argument for why NET shouldn’t be considered much. Them being 29 is pretty unbelievable.
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Ohio State is an argument for why NET shouldn’t be considered much. Them being 29 is pretty unbelievable.
Blowout wins and close losses boost them at the moment but given their descent in recent games, they’ll bottom out soon
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I can't believe how bad the Big Ten is. For hearing nothing but Big Ten talk every week, the games they play make them all look terrible.
Get ready for a month of media fanboy talk about how great the Big 10 is, how they’re just beating each other up, how hard it is to win on the road, blah, blah, blah.
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Ohio State is in total disarray.
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Ohio State is in total disarray.
I really thought Holtmann would be good there.
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Ohio State is in total disarray.
That team is a dumpster fire.
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Honest question, is it standard practice to keep students from an opposing school to buy tickets in bulk? I can't imagine Marquette allowing a group of Wisconsin students to buy out a section of Fiserv for a Marquette Creighton game. Obviously opposing fans can buy individual tickets, but it seems reasonable to me for an athletic department to decline to sell an entire section to a conference rival's students. If an athletic department wants to sacrifice potential ticket sales in exchange for preserving their home court advantage, I think that's their prerogative. If that's the standard practice, then the Illinois students misrepresenting themselves as a Boys and Girls Club to get around it is pretty sh*tty.
I don't know, I think I'm with Iowa on this one.
Hell, I once got escorted out of the DePaul student section for daring to wear a Marquette shirt. We used my brother's friends DePaul student ID to get in and they didn't want opposing fans in the student section.
Of course, we got escorted to seats four rows behind the MU bench. So that was nice.
This is just a larger scale version of the same thing.
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Ohio State plain sucks. Would I love a crack at playing these guys twice a year.
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Bucky and Ohio St are playing some bad basketball.
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Ohio State 9-0 run to cut the lead to 6 with 3 minutes left.
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Ohio State 9-0 run to cut the lead to 6 with 3 minutes left.
I’m surprised Wisconsin’s 19 second half points hasn’t salted the game away yet.
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Audrey all but disappearing down the stretch for Bucky.
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Eh. You can't claim a not-for-profit discount then tell them its for a different not-for-profit. Misrepresenting who you are actually buying the tickets for isn't a great look.
This. End of story.
I will say that if this Illini group had been any other Big10 student fan group, Iowa would’ve let it slide.
There’s ridiculously bad blood between these two programs dating back to the Bruce Pearl vs Jimmy Collins feud during the recruitment of Deon Thomas.
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And the award for worst uniforms goes to....
Hideous
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Good win for the Eagles cause
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Badgers win despite last making a FG with 7:22 remaining. Nearly a 7 minute scoring drought.
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Badgers win despite last making a FG with 7:22 remaining. Nearly a 7 minute scoring drought.
What a defensive clinic by both squads
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What a defensive clinic by both squads
Hopefully Shaka was taking notes. 👀
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nm: posted in wrong thread
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I really thought Holtmann would be good there.
Holtmann’s teams remind me of Wojo’s in that they don’t have an identity. I guess they have a pretty good bruising frontcourt, but otherwise they have talent but not cohesion.
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Hell, I once got escorted out of the DePaul student section for daring to wear a Marquette shirt. We used my brother's friends DePaul student ID to get in and they didn't want opposing fans in the student section.
Of course, we got escorted to seats four rows behind the MU bench. So that was nice.
This is just a larger scale version of the same thing.
Same.
Happened to my wife and I like 3 years ago.
They tried getting us to move because we were wearing bright yellow Marquette gear, but she was a grad student at the time and showed her ID and they just let it go.
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Maybe this is to DePaul's credit. There were 2 MU fans, one in gold and one in white, sitting front row in the middle of the DePaul student section last Saturday. They were there all game.
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Houston struggling again with a mediocre team from their bad conference.
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Same thing happened to me and a couple of friends at a DePaul game.
Had tickets to the student section, back in 2011-12 I believe? And they kicked us out and put us higher up.
Probably didn’t appreciate when I told the security it’ll be the most students they’ll have in there for a game that season.
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Holtmann’s teams remind me of Wojo’s in that they don’t have an identity. I guess they have a pretty good bruising frontcourt, but otherwise they have talent but not cohesion.
This...I live in Columbus. Super vanilla, no cohesion and he has totally lost the team and the fan base. Be interested to see if he survives after this year.
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I’m pretty sure UW lets their players design the alternates. To nobody’s surprise, a bunch of farm boys trying to make a “tough” black out uniform failed miserably.
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Another tough loss for SLU
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Asked on the Field of 68.
National champion
Big 12 or Big East vs the Field.
Think I'm taking the 2 conferences.
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Asked on the Field of 68.
National champion
Big 12 or Big East vs the Field.
Think I'm taking the 2 conferences.
Considering those two conferences don’t have anybody in the top 5 of KenPom, I’d go the field.
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Considering those two conferences don’t have anybody in the top 5 of KenPom, I’d go the field.
Ill sell my house if Houston or Tennessee win it all this year. And I really think Purdue gets tripped up relatively early(this is not mortgage guarantee).
Bama and UCLA are definitely two of the teams that would worry me in that "field". Big time.
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UCLA is suspect to me. 0-3 against top-30 NET teams and they only have one solid win over the field against Maryland, as both USC and Kentucky are very bubbly.
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UCLA is suspect to me. 0-3 against top-30 NET teams and they only have one solid win over the field against Maryland, as both USC and Kentucky are very bubbly.
Insanely reliant on long 2s as well.
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UCLA is suspect to me. 0-3 against top-30 NET teams and they only have one solid win over the field against Maryland, as both USC and Kentucky are very bubbly.
For being a veteran team, that offense just gets stagnant and bogged down at times. I know the Leprachaun likes to control tempo but I bet they could run a little more and be more dynamic
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There are numerous teams that Marquette could lose to. We lost to mediocre Madison and Mississippi State teams, so we obviously could (and would be expected to) lose to very good Purdue, Houston, Tennessee and Bama (and other) teams.
But I think our guys would acquit themselves quite well against any of them, and would have a solid chance of winning.
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ESPN doing their best to hype up the Duke/NC game which is a battle for 6th place in the ACC. 🙄
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MSU and Rutgers combining for 15 points in the first 10 minutes of play at MSG. Can't handle the bright lights of the big city.
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ESPN doing their best to hype up the Duke/NC game which is a battle for 6th place in the ACC. 🙄
ESPN has jumped the shark. There are 6 games today with both teams ranked. This isn't one of them.
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MSU and Rutgers combining for 15 points in the first 10 minutes of play at MSG. Can't handle the bright lights of the big city.
The second ten minutes of the first half were explosive! 44 combined points at halftime!
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The Cyclones are in complete control vs Kansas.
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The Cyclones are in complete control vs Kansas.
I’m not sold on Kansas as a top 10 team.
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For being a veteran team, that offense just gets stagnant and bogged down at times. I know the Leprachaun likes to control tempo but I bet they could run a little more and be more dynamic
I said that a few weeks ago. It’s insane to watch a team with that much scoring talent and basketball IQ get absolutely reigned in sometimes. You see Campbell off a rebound and Clark/Juaquez up ahead with a 4 on 3 or 3 on 2 available, and Cronin is screaming to relax and slow down, especially if they are up by more than a possession or two in the second half. It’s brutal considering the roster.
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IUPUI wins the Toilet Bowl against UWGB
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UNC vs. Duke is still a fun game and always a top billing even when both teams are average.
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The fighting Joey’s go down to Rutgers.
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Michigan State and their Hall of Fame coach fall to 6-6 in Big 14 play with a loss to Rutgers at MSG. 13 turnovers with only 9 assists. Have to wonder when the coach will get his players to share the ball. Joey Hauser leads Sparty with shot attempts, going 4-11 and 1 assist.
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Michigan State and their Hall of Fame coach fall to 6-6 in Big 14 play with a loss to Rutgers at MSG. 13 turnovers with only 9 assists. Have to wonder when the coach will get his players to share the ball. Joey Hauser leads Sparty with shot attempts, going 4-11 and 1 assist.
They missed on a couple recruiting classes in a row, bigly.
Adkins, Sissoko, and Brooks were top 50 recruits who are contributing minimally. Their best recruit, Christie, left after a year. And their 2022 class was terrible by MSU standards.
Their two “best” players are transfers in Walker and Joey.
They have 2 MCD AAs and another top 50 guy coming in next year which should help
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They missed on a couple recruiting classes in a row, bigly.
Adkins, Sissoko, and Brooks were top 50 recruits who are contributing minimally. Their best recruit, Christie, left after a year. And their 2022 class was terrible by MSU standards.
Their two “best” players are transfers in Walker and Joey.
They have 2 MCD AAs and another top 50 guy coming in next year which should help
Looking for a quick fix. Troubling look for a ball of fame coach known for developing players
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Joey probably didn’t want to play with anyone as talented as Tyler Herro.
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Emoni Bates went elsewhere.
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Lots of ugly basketball today. Tennessee up 44-41 against Auburn with :22 left and the Vols just coughed it up
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Boom goes da Purdues, aina?
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Lots of ugly basketball today. Tennessee up 44-41 against Auburn with :22 left and the Vols just coughed it up
Wow... 46-43?
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Lots of ugly basketball today.
Man, you're right about that. Our win's still nothing to write home about, but it's looking a little less bad.
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Man, you're right about that. Our win's still nothing to write home about, but it's looking a little less bad.
Have to assume the student athletes are overwhelmed with the return to school work and hoops
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Michigan State and their Hall of Fame coach fall to 6-6 in Big 14 play with a loss to Rutgers at MSG. 13 turnovers with only 9 assists. Have to wonder when the coach will get his players to share the ball. Joey Hauser leads Sparty with shot attempts, going 4-11 and 1 assist.
Izzo: "Pass the ball!"
Walker and Hoggard: "To who? The big knucklehead who's slower than a glacier? Nah. We'll just shoot or turn it over."
Joey: "Maybe life with Markus wasn't so bad after all."
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When people were talking about how Purdue was blowing up our NET I figured they were down 30. It was a 9 point game with 14 minutes left lol. Now it’s a 4 point game with 7 minutes left at IU. This game won’t touch our NET.
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This slipped pass me, but if you want to know how "strong" the ACC is.... Louisville isn't the worst team.
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This slipped pass me, but if you want to know how "strong" the ACC is.... Louisville isn't the worst team.
No, they’re still the worst team
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No, they’re still the worst team
But not in last place of the ACC.
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But not in last place of the ACC.
It’s a half game
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How lame is it for Indiana fans to storm the court because their team won a regular season game in which they were favored by one point?
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How lame is it for Indiana fans to storm the court because their team won a regular season game in which they were favored by one point?
The most conceited fan base? Never saw that coming.
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It’s a half game
I think you are missing the point of my post; the quality of the ACC is not so good.
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If Indiana can get and stay healthy (Thompson/Johnson), they are going to be very dangerous in March.
Bump
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I think you are missing the point of my post; the quality of the ACC is not so good.
No disagreement from me
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Bump
It’s February
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Anyone else notice an addition to schools listed in the Big 10 standings listed on the TV screen during the Purdue/Indiana game? They had UCONN in the list!
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Anyone else notice an addition to schools listed in the Big 10 standings listed on the TV screen during the Purdue/Indiana game? They had UCONN in the list!
UCONN fans got 2 seconds of bliss. Kind of mean to them.
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Bump
I guess I’m not seeing it yet. Woodson is a better coach than expected at the college level, but if you can limit either one of TDJ or Hood-Schifino, they aren’t that scary.
Other than the beating PU at home in a rivalry game, their best win since early November is, I guess, Illinois? They lost 3 in a row to Seton Hall level teams, they beat 3 teams that are spiraling (UW, MSU, OSU), a terrible Minny team, and Illinois.
And their losses to good teams they got POUNDED. They lost to Kansas, Rutgers, Maryland, and Zona by an average of 15 points, all by double digits.
I think they could surprise a better team, but I don’t see them as a threat to make a run.
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Izzo: "Pass the ball!"
Walker and Hoggard: "To who? The big knucklehead who's slower than a glacier? Nah. We'll just shoot or turn it over."
Joey: "Maybe life with Markus wasn't so bad after all."
Hauser bias aside, Joey is amusingly the least of their problems. Their best rebounder, their best 3P shooter, best ORtg by a good margin (and all with good averages, not just tallest of the midgets stuff). Yea he’s a stiff, but he’s actually been a really efficient and effective offensive player this year
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I guess I’m not seeing it yet. Woodson is a better coach than expected at the college level, but if you can limit either one of TDJ or Hood-Schifino, they aren’t that scary.
Other than the beating PU at home in a rivalry game, their best win since early November is, I guess, Illinois? They lost 3 in a row to Seton Hall level teams, they beat 3 teams that are spiraling (UW, MSU, OSU), a terrible Minny team, and Illinois.
And their losses to good teams they got POUNDED. They lost to Kansas, Rutgers, Maryland, and Zona by an average of 15 points, all by double digits.
I think they could surprise a better team, but I don’t see them as a threat to make a run.
Fair. Of course, stopping TJD is easier said than done. They lost to Maryland when the forgot how to shoot and quit running the offense through TJD. As it is, I think they easily get to third and maybe second in the B1G. If Thompson's leg recovers well enough to play on two feet, and if Johnson recovers, they will have enough to do damage. Of course, they are completely capable of playing poorly. Crapshoot. But I would not be surprised if they make the second weekend. And not just the Thursday/Friday game.
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The fighting Joey’s go down to Rutgers.
OMFG! How dare you mention his name. What is your problem? ArE YoU In LoVe WiTh ThE Ex CoACH?
MSU stanks. N I hate em
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Anyone else notice an addition to schools listed in the Big 10 standings listed on the TV screen during the Purdue/Indiana game? They had UCONN in the list!
One of my daughters sent me a picture of the CBS graphic at halftime of the Rutgers- MSU game that showed the score as Rutgers Scarlet Knights 19 Michigan State Wolverines 25.
Not a good day for the graphics departments.
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It wasn't the worst thing to happen to MSU today.
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I assume we want SMC to beat Gonzaga?
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Gaels beat the Zags.
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The Big 12 can have them.
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I assume we want SMC to beat Gonzaga?
You got your wish. Just an off year for the Zags or are there cracks in their foundation? My guess is the former, but I would like to hear your opinions. One thing is for sure- their marketability for joining another conference has taken a hit.
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You got your wish. Just an off year for the Zags or are there cracks in their foundation? My guess is the former, but I would like to hear your opinions. One thing is for sure- their marketability for joining another conference has taken a hit.
I haven't watched them much this year but I'm guessing TImmie has become a cancer and they're basically having an off season.
In some ways SMC's success is as impressive as anyone's. I'm surprised Randy Bennett has stayed there so long.
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I haven't watched them much this year but I'm guessing TImmie has become a cancer and they're basically having an off season.
In some ways SMC's success is as impressive as anyone's. I'm surprised Randy Bennett has stayed there so long.
He reminds me of McKillop at Davidson. He's happy and, unlike a major BS artist we know, he really doesn't want to mess with happy. I admire him and McKillop for that. I guess my old man 20/20 hindsight is showing, but there is much to be said for not always looking for the next move up, when in fact it often is not really a move up at all.
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Timme was overrated.
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Losing Tommy Lloyd may turn out to be a major blow for the zags. Think they’ll really start feeling the effects of that next season.
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He reminds me of McKillop at Davidson. He's happy and, unlike a major BS artist we know, he really doesn't want to mess with happy. I admire him and McKillop for that. I guess my old man 20/20 hindsight is showing, but there is much to be said for not always looking for the next move up, when in fact it often is not really a move up at all.
I admire him as well. Clearly his international recruiting has been among the best in the country.
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Timme was overrated.
His stats are pretty damn good but he can't guard anyone and.......well....has other issues.
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Apparently Colorado State University has an inordinately stupid student body.
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I don't blame coaches for wanting to "move up," but there is something nice about the guys who realize they already have everything they need where they are and whose egos don't need to prove anything to anybody by going elsewhere.
Bennett and McKillop are great examples, as was Jay Wright, who easily could have gone to a blueblood or the NBA and nobody would have blamed him. Same with Mark Few, who had numerous offers (but not many in recent years, as he turned Gonzaga into a "destination" job).
Guys like these are content where they are, they make plenty of money, they can win a lot, and they don't face the same kind of pressure that blueblood coaches do.
Most of us are hoping we have our Mark Few/Jay Wright right here at Marquette -- a guy who can be content winning big and making good coin at a place he loves without feeling he has to reach for something else. It probably helps that Shaka already reached for that job and ultimately realized it didn't fit him.
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I don't blame coaches for wanting to "move up," but there is something nice about the guys who realize they already have everything they need where they are and whose egos don't need to prove anything to anybody by going elsewhere.
Bennett and McKillop are great examples, as was Jay Wright, who easily could have gone to a blueblood or the NBA and nobody would have blamed him. Same with Mark Few, who had numerous offers (but not many in recent years, as he turned Gonzaga into a "destination" job).
Guys like these are content where they are, they make plenty of money, they can win a lot, and they don't face the same kind of pressure that blueblood coaches do.
Most of us are hoping we have our Mark Few/Jay Wright right here at Marquette -- a guy who can be content winning big and making good coin at a place he loves without feeling he has to reach for something else. It probably helps that Shaka already reached for that job and ultimately realized it didn't fit him.
Thank you for expanding on coaches who have been happy to stay right where they are. As others have said, If Shaka had not gone to UT before coming to MU, we may have had him earlier but then lost him. Let's hope he is a lifer or at least a long-timer, whatever that means.
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I don't blame coaches for wanting to "move up," but there is something nice about the guys who realize they already have everything they need where they are and whose egos don't need to prove anything to anybody by going elsewhere.
Bennett and McKillop are great examples, as was Jay Wright, who easily could have gone to a blueblood or the NBA and nobody would have blamed him. Same with Mark Few, who had numerous offers (but not many in recent years, as he turned Gonzaga into a "destination" job).
Guys like these are content where they are, they make plenty of money, they can win a lot, and they don't face the same kind of pressure that blueblood coaches do.
Most of us are hoping we have our Mark Few/Jay Wright right here at Marquette -- a guy who can be content winning big and making good coin at a place he loves without feeling he has to reach for something else. It probably helps that Shaka already reached for that job and ultimately realized it didn't fit him.
I was talking about this with my daughter yesterday, and we agreed that it might turn out that the best thing that happened to MU is for Smart to have taken that Texas job before coming.
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Apparently Colorado State University has an inordinately stupid student body.
I had missed that story. Complete lack of class by those students
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It doesn’t rise to the same level as the CSU incident, but I wish the MU students could come up with a chant more positive than “FU Butler”.
MU is blowing a lead in crunch time and that’s what they come up with (and not for the first time).?
How about a more supportive chant for your own team? A simple “Lets Go Marquette” would be more appropriate.
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ESPN has jumped the shark. There are 6 games today with both teams ranked. This isn't one of them.
I'd suggest the 4-letter network jumped the shark decades ago.
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It doesn’t rise to the same level as the CSU incident, but I wish the MU students could come up with a chant more positive than “FU Butler”.
MU is blowing a lead in crunch time and that’s what they come up with (and not for the first time).?
How about a more supportive chant for your own team? A simple “Lets Go Marquette” would be more appropriate.
I get your point, but....good luck with that. Maybe it's the Tyler Kolek effect. ;D Ok, it's been around for a very long time. I don't think "Let's go, Marquette" will do it, but it would be great if Marquette actually took a proactive marketing approach and got the students to come up with something that works. And where is our band during all of this?
I mentioned in another thread that I founded a small manufacturing company and spent an enormous amount of money on top-level marketing, guided by professionals in the business. It worked! MU needs to tap into our student fans much, much better than they have. I have absolutely no patience for crappy or non-existent marketing. It's too easy to blame the students.
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I'd suggest the 4-letter network jumped the shark decades ago.
I’m not even sure if the S in their name stands for ‘sports’ anymore.
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Excellent point.
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It doesn’t rise to the same level as the CSU incident, but I wish the MU students could come up with a chant more positive than “FU Butler”.
Positive or negative, it's just boring. And it's at pretty much every game against every Big East or high major opponent. I don't imagine it will ever change, but it just feels lazy and unoriginal when we hear "FU Butler / FU Nova / FU UConn / F The Badgers."
But of course, this just makes me the old man shaking his fist at clouds when it comes to student section complaints.
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It doesn’t rise to the same level as the CSU incident, but I wish the MU students could come up with a chant more positive than “FU Butler”.
MU is blowing a lead in crunch time and that’s what they come up with (and not for the first time).?
How about a more supportive chant for your own team? A simple “Lets Go Marquette” would be more appropriate.
I like the FU chant against Bucky and Notre Dame. I roll my eyes when it's used on other teams. I wish there was something more creative as well
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His stats are pretty damn good but he can't guard anyone and.......well....has other issues.
Zags defense just isn’t very good and hasn’t gotten better in league play.
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Positive or negative, it's just boring. And it's at pretty much every game against every Big East or high major opponent. I don't imagine it will ever change, but it just feels lazy and unoriginal when we hear "FU Butler / FU Nova / FU UConn / F The Badgers."
But of course, this just makes me the old man shaking his fist at clouds when it comes to student section complaints.
It’s unoriginal but largely harmless. Much like the dumb Overrated chant when you beat a ranked team.
The CSU stuff was far different. Shades of ASU students chanting PLO at Steve Kerr in the 80s after his father was killed. Cruel, sadistic, and wholly reprehensible
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UNC vs. Duke is still a fun game and always a top billing even when both teams are average.
Headline in Charlotte Observer:
In new era for Duke-UNC rivalry, Jon Scheyer passes first test
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Headline in Charlotte Observer:
In new era for Duke-UNC rivalry, Jon Scheyer passes first test
Scheyer passing tests in his first year and Shaka not passing any yet is very concerning
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Scheyer passing tests in his first year and Shaka not passing any yet is very concerning
I'm sure Duke fans are much happier with their results under Scheyer than Marquette fans are the past two years with Smart.
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Headline in Charlotte Observer:
In new era for Duke-UNC rivalry, Jon Scheyer passes first test
That is cool that the NCAA brought back the BracketBuster games.
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The lone game today to feature a ranked team is #3 Houston at Temple -- rematch of the game a couple weeks ago, when Temple went into Houston and pulled off one of the season's big upsets.
Temple has continued to win and is now 14-9. Houston also has won all its games since, albeit failing to cover against meh UCF, Cinci and Wichita State teams.
Houston is an 11.5-point favorite at Temple.
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How lame is it for Indiana fans to storm the court because their team won a regular season game in which they were favored by one point?
I am pretty sure college students like to celebrate.
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I'm sure Duke fans are much happier with their results under Scheyer than Marquette fans are the past two years with Smart.
Looking forward to seeing Scheyer fall on his face in the next couple of years after the aura of Duke and coach k wears off.
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Looks like Bucky brought its a-game offensively tonite.
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Looks like Bucky brought its a-game offensively tonite.
23 whole points! They’re on 🔥!!
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Did you just see that flop by Jordan Davis?? Unreal.
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For supposedly smart kids, Northwestern sure plays a lot of dumb basketball.
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So does Ohio State drop to a 9 seed?
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Did you just see that flop by Jordan Davis?? Unreal.
That flop is almost as bad as his brothers NBA rookie season
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What a bunch of crap on that charge.
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Cheap floppers
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Northwestern is so smart. Foul or no foul?
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What a game - and they choose to foul.
What a finish! (NW another alma mater of mine lol)
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Fouling up 3 worked. Cool.
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Thank you Northwestern.
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Thank you Northwestern.
Yeah!
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Gosh, you just hate to see it.
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Nooooooo. Those hundredths of a point on an algorithm. Think of the children! Wailing, gnashing of teeth.
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This was UW's Super Bowl.
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Give Gard a lifetime contract.
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Give Gard a lifetime contract.
Let’s start a gofundme for that.
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Give Gard a lifetime contract.
151st offense in KenPom. 244th in the nation in effective fg%. Woof
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Lost to Northwestern tonight.
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Those two calls against NW down the stretch were egregious. Thankfully they still got the win.
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Give Gard a lifetime contract.
It’s asinine for badger fans to suggest that Gard should be fired. They should feel very lucky to have him but they are just so delusional.
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Essigan may want to look at transfer options?
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That flop is almost as bad as his brothers NBA rookie season
I can't find his stats..
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Marquette is basically the only team to lose to UW this year it seems. The only reason they still remain in the bubble conversation is that game.
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yeah but they earned it
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Marquette is basically the only team to lose to UW this year it seems. The only reason they still remain in the bubble conversation is that game.
I was pretty sure that Wisconsin had more than 1 win this year, but you had me thinking I might be out of my mind. Had to check. Turns out Marquette is basically the only team to lose to UW this year…if you forget their 11 other wins.
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Marquette is basically the only team to lose to UW this year it seems. The only reason they still remain in the bubble conversation is that game.
We are just fine. :)
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Fouling up 3 worked. Cool.
Can’t be.
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Lost to Northwestern tonight.
And they didn’t sell out the arena!
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Marquette is basically the only team to lose to UW this year it seems. The only reason they still remain in the bubble conversation is that game.
Madison has one signature win; it was their Final Four. They can enjoy that while they watch us go to the actual Final Four.
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https://www.barstoolsports.com/blog/3455143/south-carolinas-5-star-gg-jackson-hopped-on-instagram-to-rip-the-coaching-staff-for-not-getting-him-the-ball-to-beat-arkansas
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Duke was impressive tonight.
Guess they left it all on the court for the Bracket Buster game Saturday.
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Minnesota v Illinois game on Tuesday cancelled. MN has covid issues.
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Minnesota v Illinois game on Tuesday cancelled. MN has covid issues.
And other issues.
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Headline in Charlotte Observer:
In new era for Duke-UNC rivalry, Jon Scheyer passes first test, but flunks in his second test in Miami, 81-59
FIFY
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After seeing Duke had 21 TOs tonight, I'll say for the first time ever, "I'd like MU to play Duke in the NCAA".
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FIFY
Thanks -- that works!
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Green Bay (#362 kenpom/#361 NET) defeats horizon league contender UWM 80-79 in OT.
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Duke was impressive tonight.
Guess they left it all on the court for the Bracket Buster game Saturday.
Scheyer’s doing a great job of coaching up those 5 stars. 🙄
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Green Bay (#362 kenpom/#361 NET) defeats horizon league contender UWM 80-79 in OT.
cool, that will delay the UW-M fans from their "Marquette's afraid to play us" delusions until next year at least....
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Green Bay (#362 kenpom/#361 NET) defeats horizon league contender UWM 80-79 in OT.
And the Horizon league really sucks...
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If you need a good laugh, go check out what Syracuse fans are saying. They’ve already convinced themselves they have a good chance of landing Shaka.
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Green Bay (#362 kenpom/#361 NET) defeats horizon league contender UWM 80-79 in OT.
That comes on the heels of their stirring come from behind 3 point win over Ken Pom 360 IUPUI.
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If you need a good laugh, go check out what Syracuse fans are saying. They’ve already convinced themselves they have a good chance of landing Shaka.
Delusional.
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I’m starting to think Chris Holtman pulls a Shaka and bails on Ohio St before they can fire him and he goes to Georgetown or ND
Total guess but I could see it happening
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If you need a good laugh, go check out what Syracuse fans are saying. They’ve already convinced themselves they have a good chance of landing Shaka.
Hilarious mentions. That board is truly delusional about the state of their program. Here was one gem of a coaching targets list:
“ Some more names to add to the list
Oates
Musselman
Holtmann
Chris Mack
Sean Miller
Danny Hurley
Shaka Smart
Mick Cronin - Maybe he wants to come back east”
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It is going to be insanely difficult to follow Boeheim there. Harder than following K at Duke.
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It is going to be insanely difficult to follow Boeheim there. Harder than following K at Duke.
He’ll pick his successor
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I’m starting to think Chris Holtman pulls a Shaka and bails on Ohio St before they can fire him and he goes to Georgetown or ND
Total guess but I could see it happening
I think a mutual parting of the ways might happen there as well. He’s a very good coach but roster construction has been an issue there. I’d hate to see him at Notre Dame but there has been some smoke there
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Admittedly, Holtmann and Mack may be legit options for them.
Everyone else though, no chance?
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Coaching Changes tweeted that Porter Moser is doing "everything possible" to get the Notre Dame job. Never thought the fit with Oklahoma was a good one.
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He’ll pick his successor
Are there any nepotism possibilities to succeed him, or are Buddy, Skippy and Scooter the last of the Boeheim breed?
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Are there any nepotism possibilities to succeed him, or are Buddy, Skippy and Scooter the last of the Boeheim breed?
Literally everyone on their staff went to Syracuse.
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Are there any nepotism possibilities to succeed him, or are Buddy, Skippy and Scooter the last of the Boeheim breed?
I’ve always thought it would be McNamara. As sultan says, the staff is full of alum
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Coaching Changes tweeted that Porter Moser is doing "everything possible" to get the Notre Dame job. Never thought the fit with Oklahoma was a good one.
If he was lobbying for the MU job, he's definitely in on the ND one.
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Coaching Changes tweeted that Porter Moser is doing "everything possible" to get the Notre Dame job. Never thought the fit with Oklahoma was a good one.
Not surprising. I think he thought the Marquette gig was his to loose. Shaka wasn't really on the table at that point until the tourney loss. Glad it played out the way it did.
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If he was lobbying for the MU job, he's definitely in on the ND one.
Does Notre Dame want him, though? I’d take Holtmann over him in a heartbeat. Can’t believe Brian Wardle isn’t the top choice
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Not surprising. I think he thought the Marquette gig was his to loose. Shaka wasn't really on the table at that point until the tourney loss. Glad it played out the way it did.
Everyone but Nolongerwarriors is.
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Does Notre Dame want him, though? I’d take Holtmann over him in a heartbeat. Can’t believe Brian Wardle isn’t the top choice
Is Wardle a big enough name for ND? Both Moser and Holtmann are nationally known and would make a much bigger splash than Wardle.
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Rico you got a bite
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Rico you got a bite
Hook, line and sinker is more like it.
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"Rutgers' Mawot Mag will miss the remainder of the 2022-23 season with a torn ACL, per release. Averaged 7.8 PPG and 5.3 RPG."
Huge loss for Rutgers. Hate to see anyone lose guys. It can happen to anyone at anytime.
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Bernie Fine hey
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Rico you got a bite
Hook, line and sinker is more like it.
Accepted.
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Not surprising. I think he thought the Marquette gig was his to loose. Shaka wasn't really on the table at that point until the tourney loss. Glad it played out the way it did.
I’m not too sure he was wrong either until Shaka became available.
Count me as one who is glad it worked out the way it did.
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Not surprising. I think he thought the Marquette gig was his to lose.
Correct.
I think he would have done a great job, but can't argue with the way it has worked out so far for MU. Tough to imagine anyone outdoing what Shaka has done so far.
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Wardle to ND would be a marriage made in basketball heaven. It likely would take him off shortlist of replacement for Shaka down the road, but it would hard to not be wildly happy for Wardle. Great call, Rico.
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Wardle to ND would be a marriage made in basketball heaven. It likely would take him off shortlist of replacement for Shaka down the road, but it would hard to not be wildly happy for Wardle. Great call, Rico.
Louisville should hire Wardle and MU should schedule them at home so they can play the Wardle shot to beat Louisville on an endless loop.
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All this Wardle talk has me daydreaming about what a Wardle MU program would have looked like. It kind of took away my excitement for the game tonight.
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Correct.
I think he would have done a great job, but can't argue with the way it has worked out so far for MU. Tough to imagine anyone outdoing what Shaka has done so far.
I definitely favored Shaka at the time. Success may have come earlier than I anticipated, but this level of success playing this style of ball is exactly what I hoped for.
I was never high on Porter Moser's style, which fits better in the Big Ten. Badgers 2.0 vibes.
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Kolek has a better chance to coach ND than Wardle, hey?
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All this Wardle talk has me daydreaming about what a Wardle MU program would have looked like. It kind of took away my excitement for the game tonight.
You can just watch the Badgers current team to get a good idea
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Is it blasphemy for Wardle to head to ND? It might be, although they've invaded our athletic department so I guess we could return the favor
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Doc,
You know Wardle has been my guy the last couple of times the job has been open. Don't burst my bubble like MU did by hiring Shaka over Brian.
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Fun 3-minute video of a wild, wacky ending to the Portland-Pepperdine game:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iEOe2MOSXMg
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Tennessee loses because they chose not to take an open layup to go up 4 with 15 seconds left. Guy dribbled it out to waste time and get fouled.
They missed the front end. (11-12) Vanderbilt hits a 3 at the buzzer for the win.
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Tennessee loses because they chose not to take an open layup to go up 4 with 15 seconds left. Guy dribbled it out to waste time and get fouled.
They missed the front end. (11-12) Vanderbilt hits a 3 at the buzzer for the win.
Tennessee is another team with a small margin for error because of their limited offense.
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Virginia Tech loses at home to Boston College. ACC is in trouble. Virginia, Miami, Duke, and NC State are in good shape, but beyond that Pitt is the only team that can have any confidence, though mainly because they've done enough and have an easy schedule from here on out. UNC, Clemson, and Va Tech are all sliding in the wrong direction. Depending on how it finishes, it could be a 4-5 bid league.
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Virginia Tech loses at home to Boston College. ACC is in trouble. Virginia, Miami, Duke, and NC State are in good shape, but beyond that Pitt is the only team that can have any confidence, though mainly because they've done enough and have an easy schedule from here on out. UNC, Clemson, and Va Tech are all sliding in the wrong direction. Depending on how it finishes, it could be a 4-5 bid league.
Penn State playing themselves off the bubble by trailing to UW at half.
Said on TV, Penn State has lost 16 of 18 between the 2 schools. Penn State can't really afford to pick up a Q3 loss.
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Virginia Tech loses at home to Boston College. ACC is in trouble. Virginia, Miami, Duke, and NC State are in good shape, but beyond that Pitt is the only team that can have any confidence, though mainly because they've done enough and have an easy schedule from here on out. UNC, Clemson, and Va Tech are all sliding in the wrong direction. Depending on how it finishes, it could be a 4-5 bid league.
The Big 12 has been the beneficiary of the subpar years from the ACC and Big 10.
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The Big 12 has been the beneficiary of the subpar years from the ACC and Big 10.
Not really. It’s head and shoulders the best conference in the nation
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Penn State playing themselves off the bubble by trailing to UW at half.
Said on TV, Penn State has lost 16 of 18 between the 2 schools. Penn State can't really afford to pick up a Q3 loss.
On the upside, if Penn State loses to Wisconsin, it won't be Q3 by morning.
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Tennessee loses because they chose not to take an open layup to go up 4 with 15 seconds left. Guy dribbled it out to waste time and get fouled.
They missed the front end. (11-12) Vanderbilt hits a 3 at the buzzer for the win.
Thanks, Vandy! You saved me from getting a lot of sh!t from my family when I visit them in a few weeks!
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Looks like LJ Cryer is out for the 2nd half for Baylor with a Leg Contusion.
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Penn State falls deeper down the bubble talk.
UW gets the road win to put them probably in every bracketologists field as of now.
Should move Marquettes lone Q3 loss back to a Q2 loss
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Penn State falls deeper down the bubble talk.
UW gets the road win to put them probably in every bracketologists field as of now.
Should move Marquettes lone Q3 loss back to a Q2 loss
Or, it's quite conceivable both B14 teams are on the bubble.
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Words can’t describe the first half of SDSU/USU. Took nearly 80 minutes to play the first half, atrocious officiating (John Higgins working his 13th game in 16 nights in 11 different states). 4 technicals, an ejection, Pete Gilles somehow saying three other ejections (???) and being awful with no information, clock issues. It’s something else, and still another half to go. CBS Sports Net giving zero info on the ridiculous ejection.
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Two more Top 25 upsets Wednesday:
#6 Tennessee falls at Vanderbilt (which is 12-12) ... #12 Iowa St. falls at West Virginia ...
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Two more Top 25 upsets Wednesday:
#6 Tennessee falls at Vanderbilt (which is 12-12) ... #12 Iowa St. falls at West Virginia ...
WVU was -4.
AP rankings no matta.
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Or, it's quite conceivable both B14 teams are on the bubble.
They are on the bubble. UW on the right side for now, Penn State on the wrong side.
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They are on the bubble. UW on the right side for now, Penn State on the wrong side.
#closetbadgerfan
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WVU was -4.
AP rankings no matta.
True. Thanks for the info.
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They are on the bubble. UW on the right side for now, Penn State on the wrong side.
I agree with this. Wisconsin is up to 6 Q1 wins. If they can beat the 4 non-tourney teams (@ Nebraska, Michigan, @ Michigan, @ Minnesota) left on their schedule, that should be enough. If they get one of the tourney teams (Rutgers, Iowa, Purdue) they still have too it makes them a virtual lock.
I feel a bit bad for Penn State, though. I'd like to see them in the field. Pickett is a heck of a player and they are nothing like the typical Big 10 team. If there's anyone in the bubble range that can go First Four to Final Four this year, my money would be on the Nittany Lions.
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#closetbadgerfan
Because I pointed out UW is on the right side of the bubble and Penn State isn't that makes me a Badger fan? Huh? Ok.
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Because I pointed out UW is on the right side of the bubble and Penn State isn't that makes me a Badger fan? Huh? Ok.
Well, you have said lots of things about how wonderful their program is over the last many months, including your erroneous (and oft-repeated) claim that they "always get it done."
But I don't think that means you're a Madison fan; you just give them a little too much respect. It's not 2015 any more, and Frank Kaminsky isn't walking through that door.
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I agree with this. Wisconsin is up to 6 Q1 wins. If they can beat the 4 non-tourney teams (@ Nebraska, Michigan, @ Michigan, @ Minnesota) left on their schedule, that should be enough. If they get one of the tourney teams (Rutgers, Iowa, Purdue) they still have too it makes them a virtual lock.
Maryland (28) and USC(50) barely in Q1. Badgers haven't beaten a team in the field since Dec. 11 at Iowa when Kris Murray was out due to injury. Bad analytics.
Badgers still in a very precarious position. Honestly, they shot the lights out last night and still needed OT to win. Wouldn't be surprised if they go 3-4 down the stretch.
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If Wisconsin somehow gets into the tourney and wins a game and Marquette doesn’t—I may take a LONG break from Scoop because it will truly be Hiroshima.
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If Wisconsin somehow gets into the tourney and wins a game and Marquette doesn’t—I may take a LONG break from Scoop because it will truly be Hiroshima.
The horror!
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Well, you have said lots of things about how wonderful their program is over the last many months, including your erroneous (and oft-repeated) claim that they "always get it done."
But I don't think that means you're a Madison fan; you just give them a little too much respect. It's not 2015 any more, and Frank Kaminsky isn't walking through that door.
I haven't said anything about their program in a positive light aside from "they always seem to get it done".
And that still could be true. Their team is A$$ and yet they still would likely be in today. How? I have no idea.
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Maryland (28) and USC(50) barely in Q1. Badgers haven't beaten a team in the field since Dec. 11 at Iowa when Kris Murray was out due to injury. Bad analytics.
Badgers still in a very precarious position. Honestly, they shot the lights out last night and still needed OT to win. Wouldn't be surprised if they go 3-4 down the stretch.
In the last month, both Maryland and USC have moved up into Q1. Those wins are improving with age. When they beat Iowa is completely irrelevant. And OT doesn't matter at all.
Not saying they're safe, but 4-3 is likely in, 5-2 would be a virtual lock. For better or worse, their win over us on the road is something very few bubble teams can claim.
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I haven't said anything about their program in a positive light aside from "they always seem to get it done".
And that still could be true. Their team is A$$ and yet they still would likely be in today. How? I have no idea.
Well there was that. And there was the whole crying from the mountaintops that they're better than MU for as long as you possibly could until you'd have been completely clowned for the take anymore. And now there's a single ray of sunlight for the first time in a long time and you're back raving about the Badgers. So congrats to you!
I'm not sure how being one of the last teams in the field is "always getting it done." But hey, you do you.
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Hepburn 1/7 from 2. Now at 33.3% on his 2FGAs. Amazing. He tries about 7 times per game. What a disgusting team. Go blue x2.
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In the last month, both Maryland and USC have moved up into Q1. Those wins are improving with age. When they beat Iowa is completely irrelevant. And OT doesn't matter at all.
Not saying they're safe, but 4-3 is likely in, 5-2 would be a virtual lock. For better or worse, their win over us on the road is something very few bubble teams can claim.
I'm aware of all of that. 5-2 is a lock. 4-3 might be enough, depending on what other bubble teams do and how many bid thieves there are.
I'm just skeptical they can go 4-3 or better. Their last 4 conference wins have been a terrible Minnesota, a dumpster fire Ohio State, and two close wins against mediocre Penn State. Let's see how they perform against Purdue, Rutgers, and Iowa.
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If Wisconsin somehow gets into the tourney and wins a game and Marquette doesn’t—I may take a LONG break from Scoop because it will truly be Hiroshima.
I enjoy Scoop Hiroshima. It is the only good thing when MU loses.
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I enjoy Scoop Hiroshima. It is the only good thing when MU loses.
That and all the mopes get to say 'i told you so'
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That and all the mopes get to say 'i told you so'
“I told you so” is far more satisfying than the team I support winning
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“I told you so” is far more satisfying than the team I support winning
Oh, so true. So very true. "Screw the team. I was right. Ha ha ha!"
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Iowa is 17-22 in the 2nd half vs Purdue.
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He certainly has the dominant stats so it won’t be undeserved but Edey may be the most boring/unenjoyable NPOY in a long time. He’s just enormous with decent hands and feet. I’ve watched 4-5 Purdue games, not including the MU game, and I don’t really recall being like “wow, incredible play” very often at all. Just a lot of tapped up rebounds and lumbering short shots to the rim
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He certainly has the dominant stats so it won’t be undeserved but Edey may be the most boring/unenjoyable NPOY in a long time. He’s just enormous with decent hands and feet. I’ve watched 4-5 Purdue games, not including the MU game, and I don’t really recall being like “wow, incredible play” very often at all. Just a lot of tapped up rebounds and lumbering short shots to the rim
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i know this has been mentioned but Wojo adds 0.00000000 as a studio analyst. The fact that he got this job is somewhat disturbing.
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Ohio St continues to be hot garbage.
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Ohio St continues to be hot garbage.
11-13 now. Not to worry. I'm sure they will let Holtzman keep that vest as he leaves for the last time. Give him credit- he really played hardball on the $, so he will be set for life. Along with the vest, what else could he want?
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The algorithms say they’re a top 40 team.
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The algorithms say they’re a top 40 team.
LOL.
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True
i know this has been mentioned but Wojo adds 0.00000000 as a studio analyst. The fact that he got this job is somewhat disturbing.
Real white privilege.
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11-13 now. Not to worry. I'm sure they will let Holtzman keep that vest as he leaves for the last time. Give him credit- he really played hardball on the $, so he will be set for life. Along with the vest, what else could he want?
He was only at Butler for 3 years before he bolted and I seem to recall he inherited a pretty good core of players including Freshman Kelan Martin. It seemed that most of their core players were all Stevens’ recruits in those years. I guess what I’m getting at is I’m not sold on him being a top coach like many seem to bill him as.
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LMU beats St. Mary's.
Great win for Stan Johnson.
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LMU beats St. Mary's.
Great win for Stan Johnson.
That is now St. Mary's 2nd Q2 loss to go with 2 additional Q3 losses.
Probably need Brew to confirm but that should be pretty beneficial for Marquette who is near the same seed line.
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LMU beats St. Mary's.
Great win for Stan Johnson.
Awesome!
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The algorithms say they’re a top 40 team.
Long live Kenpom!
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Awesome!
Stan has the Lions playing pretty good basketball.
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Stan has the Lions playing pretty good basketball.
17-9, with wins over both St. Mary's and at Gonzaga this season. Also beat BYU, Wake Forest and Georgetown. A few bad losses too, though.
Overall, nice work by Stan in his third season of a total rebuild.
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17-9, with wins over both St. Mary's and at Gonzaga this season. Also beat BYU, Wake Forest and Georgetown. A few bad losses too, though.
Overall, nice work by Stan in his third season of a total rebuild.
Has to win the league tourney to dance but LMU fans have to be excited. They definitely can do it. I’d cheer for him but he brought Markus to Marquette
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I’d cheer for him but he brought Markus to Marquette
So, he causes cancer.
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Has to win the league tourney to dance but LMU fans have to be excited. They definitely can do it. I’d cheer for him but he brought Markus to Marquette
All that matters is that The Worst Coach in Basketball History gets zero credit for Markus.
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To be truthful, Woj's mishandling of the entire HauserHowardGate ultimately cost him his job. He decided to sink or swim with Markus and...he sunk, aina?
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To be truthful, Woj's mishandling of the entire HauserHowardGate ultimately cost him his job. He decided to sink or swim with Markus and...he sunk, aina?
Should've chosen the Hausers. Then we would've seen Theo John, Ed Morrow, Sacar Anim (wait, he would've been gone), Brendan Bailey (wait, he would've been gone), Jamal Cain, Greg Elliot, Matt Heldt, and Jayce Johnson all getting equal shots, playing the game the right way, etc. Wouldn't have had the All American and BEPOY Markus Howard, and still wouldn't have landed the one and done Tyler Herro. Thank God the Hausers know ball.
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Should've chosen the Hausers. Then we would've seen Theo John, Ed Morrow, Sacar Anim (wait, he would've been gone), Brendan Bailey (wait, he would've been gone), Jamal Cain, Greg Elliot, Matt Heldt, and Jayce Johnson all getting equal shots, playing the game the right way, etc. Wouldn't have had the All American and BEPOY Markus Howard, and still wouldn't have landed the one and done Tyler Herro. Thank God the Hausers know ball.
You forgot Koby McEwen
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Should've chosen the Hausers. Then we would've seen Theo John, Ed Morrow, Sacar Anim (wait, he would've been gone), Brendan Bailey (wait, he would've been gone), Jamal Cain, Greg Elliot, Matt Heldt, and Jayce Johnson all getting equal shots, playing the game the right way, etc. Wouldn't have had the All American and BEPOY Markus Howard, and still wouldn't have landed the one and done Tyler Herro. Thank God the Hausers know ball.
I know people like to say there was only two outcomes with this, but 4ever is right - this situation sunk him. Should have found a way to get the team to address conflict, play together and not implode during the season. That was his job, he failed and thankfully we have moved on.
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I know people like to say there was only two outcomes with this, but 4ever is right - this situation sunk him. Should have found a way to get the team to address conflict, play together and not implode during the season. That was his job, he failed and thankfully we have moved on.
This is correct. The conflict was started by the Hausers which is not a knock on them, conflicts between college aged athletes happen. The fact that Wojo let that conflict fester and get to the point where it became a him or us situation is a failure on his part, arguably the biggest failure of his tenure. MU gave him a chance to recover and he failed.
I have no fears of a similar situation with the current coaching regime
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Has to win the league tourney to dance but LMU fans have to be excited. They definitely can do it. I’d cheer for him but he brought Markus to Marquette
This made me wonder...was Stan still around when Wojo recruited Oso? The Chandler, AZ connection ran through Markus's family to Oso, but was Stan also instrumental in that recruitment?
I'd love to see the WCC become a bit of a Big East Lite. Too bad that only St. Mary's has managed to rise the Gonzaga tide to be consistently any good.
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This made me wonder...was Stan still around when Wojo recruited Oso? The Chandler, AZ connection ran through Markus's family to Oso, but was Stan also instrumental in that recruitment?
I'd love to see the WCC become a bit of a Big East Lite. Too bad that only St. Mary's has managed to rise the Gonzaga tide to be consistently any good.
What would that make the A10?
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This made me wonder...was Stan still around when Wojo recruited Oso? The Chandler, AZ connection ran through Markus's family to Oso, but was Stan also instrumental in that recruitment?
I'd love to see the WCC become a bit of a Big East Lite. Too bad that only St. Mary's has managed to rise the Gonzaga tide to be consistently any good.
The schools, at least the majority of them, do try and be successful. There is a vacuum out west for sure. Part of the problem is, they’re on the west coast and it’s hard to get eyeballs. For a brief period, you could have argued Pepperdine would have been Gonzaga before Gonzaga
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This made me wonder...was Stan still around when Wojo recruited Oso? The Chandler, AZ connection ran through Markus's family to Oso, but was Stan also instrumental in that recruitment?
I'd love to see the WCC become a bit of a Big East Lite. Too bad that only St. Mary's has managed to rise the Gonzaga tide to be consistently any good.
Stan was the lead recruiter for both Oso and Garcia.
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Should have kicked their asses off the team and told them to transfer.
Freshmen don't get to win battles of will with the coach and the first team all American.
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Should have kicked their asses off the team and told them to transfer.
Freshmen don't get to win battles of will with the coach and the first team all American.
Agreed. The parents and big bro should've let little bro make his own decision and go where he wanted to go in the first place. Instead they got a pouty brother who ended up writing a hand written letter and passed it around to all but one player on the team to get their signatures and took it to the head coach, while pops waited outside locker rooms to discuss shot selection with the head coach. What a joke.
But, it all led to Shaka being here. And for that I am very thankful. I was excited when we landed Shaka. I was disappointed in what I thought was a lack of talent coming in. Turns out, Shaka knew more about the players on the team and the recruits coming in than I did. Weird how that works out.
Hoping to see more of the offense that got us to #1 in KenPom's offensive efficiency this weekend, and then carry that over to the Xavier game against their poor defense.
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Agreed. The parents and big bro should've let little bro make his own decision and go where he wanted to go in the first place. Instead they got a pouty brother who ended up writing a hand written letter and passed it around to all but one player on the team to get their signatures and took it to the head coach, while pops waited outside locker rooms to discuss shot selection with the head coach. What a joke.
Is this all true? This is the most details I've seen so far.
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Is this all true? This is the most details I've seen so far.
A part of it was a Scoop rumor, so stone cold lock to be true.
A part of it is second hand information to me, but it's from someone I trust.
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Should have kicked their asses off the team and told them to transfer.
Freshmen don't get to win battles of will with the coach and the first team all American.
Well either way they ended up leaving, so you got your wish. Outside of Wojo's hefty buyout, can't say it really worked out for him.
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Wojo was an average coach. Never grew beyond his Duke roots. Somehow managed to not recruit enough big guards and switchables to ever be more than average. After the initial shock, and hearing things from people I know and trust, I viewed the Hauser situation as essentially the same as the Jeronne situation. I thought Wojo was weak for not handling it like Buzz did.
But Wojo is gone and I like Shaka better.
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Wojo was an average coach. Never grew beyond his Duke roots. Somehow managed to not recruit enough big guards and switchables to ever be more than average. After the initial shock, and hearing things from people I know and trust, I viewed the Hauser situation as essentially the same as the Jeronne situation. I thought Wojo was weak for not handling it like Buzz did.
But Wojo is gone and I like Shaka better.
Wojo was pretty good at recruiting talented pieces, but lousy at figuring out how to put them all together.
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Should have kicked their asses off the team and told them to transfer.
Freshmen don't get to win battles of will with the coach and the first team all American.
Hardooooooo!
When you promise the world to get a recruit and don’t “derecruit” them when they arrive on campus, you embolden them to make stances like Joey made.
Rookie mistake from a rookie coach. It never should’ve arrived at the point of choosing between two groups. Extremely poor leadership.
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Agreed. The parents and big bro should've let little bro make his own decision and go where he wanted to go in the first place.
I don't think there's any truth to the idea that Joey's parents or brothers didn't let him make his own decision. What I do think there is truth in is that Joey made a mistake that a lot of young people make and made a decision for the sake of pleasing others that he ended up regretting.
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I don't think there's any truth to the idea that Joey's parents or brothers didn't let him make his own decision. What I do think there is truth in is that Joey made a mistake that a lot of young people make and made a decision for the sake of pleasing others that he ended up regretting.
Yup, yup, yup
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I’m just really glad we’ve all moved on
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Is this all true?
You’re kidding, right?
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This made me wonder...was Stan still around when Wojo recruited Oso? The Chandler, AZ connection ran through Markus's family to Oso, but was Stan also instrumental in that recruitment?
I'd love to see the WCC become a bit of a Big East Lite. Too bad that only St. Mary's has managed to rise the Gonzaga tide to be consistently any good.
Stan recruited Oso. Stan also positioned Marquette with a good chance for DaRon Holmes, (also from Phoenix) before Stan left for LMU.
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Refs working hard for Xavier in this one. Three phantom shooting fouls called on Butler this half. Heading into the under eight with the softest moving screen call in the history of basketball.
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New Mexico State indefinitely suspends basketball program, reportedly due to hazing allegations.
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New Mexico State indefinitely suspends basketball program, reportedly due to hazing allegations.
https://twitter.com/colindeavertv/status/1624252870169178112?s=46&t=ljP9zZnVmwaDNNHG_M-Zog
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https://twitter.com/colindeavertv/status/1624252870169178112?s=46&t=ljP9zZnVmwaDNNHG_M-Zog
Woke
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Woke
Woke mob hates hazing. Sad!
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New Mexico State indefinitely suspends basketball program, reportedly due to hazing allegations.
It’s not like one of their players killed someone…….oh wait.
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https://twitter.com/colindeavertv/status/1624252870169178112?s=46&t=ljP9zZnVmwaDNNHG_M-Zog
Thst program is a dumpster fire
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Thst program is a dumpster fire
Lou Henson is rolling over in his grave.
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Woke mob hates hazing. Sad!
When I'm president, people are gonna go back to believing that hazing builds character.
MAHA!
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Questionable call duke va game
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Baylor with an impressive road win against TCU
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Badgers blow 17 point lead!!! Lol lost by 10 on ot
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Badgers blow 17 point lead!!! Lol lost by 10 on ot
Let's go!!!
Nebrasketball!
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Badgers blow 17 point lead!!! Lol lost by 10 on ot
Calling it now that Hepburn transfers after the year. If I had to take a stab at where, I think Creighton is a good fit. Their chemistry is completely out of whack. They showed a replay of their bench on the final possession when Hepburn held the ball the whole time and their team just looked so dejected.
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Calling it now that Hepburn transfers after the year. Their chemistry is completely out of whack. They showed a replay of their bench on the final possession when Hepburn held the ball the whole time and their team just looked so dejected.
Essegian back home to Purdue?
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Badgers on the right side of the bubble, aina?
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Congrats to the people of Nebraska.
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Essegian back home to Purdue?
Not good enough.
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Badgers blow 17 point lead!!! Lol lost by 10 on ot
They were up 17?? Ty. I had no idea Fred.
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Not good enough.
Great shooter. Can’t defend a stump. Would be a good 6th man on many teams
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I'm doing this from memory, but just heard Wojo on the ESPN halftime, talking about who he thinks is the best team in the Big East.
"I really like this Marquette team. They have the best passer in the country in Tyler Kolek, the best passing big in Ighodaro, and Kam Jones is an awesome scorer."
Granted, he recruited 2 of the 3 guys he mentioned, but it was pretty effusive praise.
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Damn, if UConn had managed to beat Creighton, this would have been just about a perfect day of hoops for Marquette fans.
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Damn, if UConn had managed to beat Creighton, this would have been just about a perfect day of hoops for Marquette fans.
Mississippi State is currently up 14 at Arkansas, another good result for us so far. Still a lot of second half to play, though.
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Damn, if UConn had managed to beat Creighton, this would have been just about a perfect day of hoops for Marquette fans.
Yes….so close with a foot on the line by Hawkins. Could have been an all around great day.
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Yes….so close with a foot on the line by Hawkins. Could have been an all around great day.
Yes. And a great weekend with the Xavier loss last night.
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Iowa St. lost at home to OK St.
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Tennessee lost two games this week to sub par opponents. Missouri is good not great. Vanderbilt is terrible. Marquette should move past them.
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Tennessee lost two games this week to sub par opponents. Missouri is good not great. Vanderbilt is terrible. Marquette should move past them.
Tennessee calling card is defense and gave up 86 at home tonight. More games I see, more I believe Houston is a big favorite in March
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Hopefully TTU beats K State. I don't think we'll drop much in the T-25. But we must throttle XU on Wednesday.
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Two top-11 team lose at home to unranked teams. It’s not easy to keep winning games.
I’m thrilled Marquette has been able to avoid those kinds of losses - and been able to avoid all that many losses, period.
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Two top-11 team lose at home to unranked teams. It’s not easy to keep winning games.
I’m thrilled Marquette has been able to avoid those kinds of losses - and been able to avoid all that many losses, period.
MU is in good shape despite the frustration of Tuesday. Meanwhile Wisky lost to Nebraska and is not a tournament team with 5 games left.
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Tennessee calling card is defense and gave up 86 at home tonight. More games I see, more I believe Houston is a big favorite in March
(https://media.tenor.com/-923UVy1pAYAAAAC/home-alone2-creepy.gif)
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(https://media.tenor.com/-923UVy1pAYAAAAC/home-alone2-creepy.gif)
Walker is so good. Really impressive player. Pace still concerns me but Walker’s ascension is a big plus
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Walker is so good. Really impressive player. Pace still concerns me but Walker’s ascension is a big plus
Far and away the best team in the country
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Kansas State and Iowa State both lost. Huge day for Marquette.
Currently in 1st place and the possibility to jump up a seed line is closer than it was yesterday!
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Crazy ending to the Portland State/Northern Arizona game:
https://www.espn.com/video/clip?id=35639639
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Kansas State and Iowa State both lost. Huge day for Marquette.
Currently in 1st place and the possibility to jump up a seed line is closer than it was yesterday!
MU will likely remain in the Top 10.
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Crazy ending to the Portland State/Northern Arizona game:
https://www.espn.com/video/clip?id=35639639
Omg!
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Tennessee lost two games this week to sub par opponents. Missouri is good not great. Vanderbilt is terrible. Marquette should move past them.
Tennessee will drop out of the top 10 in AP Poll. They went from 3 to 5 in KenPom.
Mizzou is number 2 nationally in adjusted offense in KenPom. (MUBB 3). They get a lot of assists and fast break pts as does MUBB. They force a lot of turnovers, although that wasn’t a factor vs Tennessee. And Mizzou is now 14-0 when they make 10 3’s in a game. 14/26 today.
Vandy isn’t terrible. They are an NIT level team that won at home in a rivalry game.
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Far and away the best team in the country
Gonzaga has held that title at times, too. Last year, for example. Not Houston’s fault the AAC stinks but worth a pause
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Glad to see Gates having success. I wonder if he’d view Georgetown as a step up to Mizzou.
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Glad to see Gates having success. I wonder if he’d view Georgetown as a step up to Mizzou.
He’ll be the top choice for Florida State should they make a change.
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Was MUCH more interested in Gates than Wardle or Moser.
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Was MUCH more interested in Gates than Wardle or Moser.
My top choice not knowing Shaka was a legit target at the time.
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Now this is an OUT OF BOUNDS PLAY right here… I think the announcer soiled his self
https://www.foxnews.com/sports/portland-state-makes-shot-year-improbable-buzzer-beater-stuns-northern-arizona
Oops, didn’t see earlier post
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Not sure we would catch Arizona but pac12 is terribly weak. Arizona lost now to Stanford. Upsets will happen weekly just need marquees to avoid them
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Oregon’s basketball court is disgusting
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Far and away the best team in the country
Well played.
Jop would be their star, right?
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My top choice not knowing Shaka was a legit target at the time.
Same. He was mine as well pre-Shaka
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Just watching Gonzaga wrap up an exciting win in Spokane. 11:20 pm CT. 12:20 am on the East Coast.
I'm perfectly fine. If I didn't love it, I'd go to bed. But is this a sign of what Big East basketball fans might be experiencing 2-3 years down the road??
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Same. He was mine as well pre-Shaka
Same for me. Gates was my top choice pre-Shaka.
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Questionable call duke va game
https://twitter.com/JonRothstein/status/1624627426264289281
Duke got screwed!
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https://twitter.com/JonRothstein/status/1624627426264289281
Duke got screwed!
If that happens to Duke every game for the next 10 seasons then then -maybe- college basketball will be even with them.
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https://twitter.com/JonRothstein/status/1624627426264289281
Duke got screwed!
I hate Duke but that was embarrassing.
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I hate Duke but that was embarrassing.
Finally, a scooper found the words that I wish I had. Says it all. Nice post, Muggs.
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Finally, a scooper found the words that I wish I had. Says it all. Nice post, Muggs.
It won't cost Duke getting into the tournament or much in seeding but it could keep Virginia on a higher seed line.
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It won't cost Duke getting into the tournament or much in seeding but it could keep Virginia on a higher seed line.
My wife and I have friends in "C'ville", as it is sometimes called locally, who would be perfectly happy with that. But a horribly blown call like one that is really bad for college bball.
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My wife and I have friends in "C'ville", as it is sometimes called locally, who would be perfectly happy with that. But a horribly blown call like one that is really bad for college bball.
Terrible. Especially when they reviewed it Scoop Snoop. WTF??
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My wife and I have friends in "C'ville", as it is sometimes called locally, who would be perfectly happy with that. But a horribly blown call like one that is really bad for college bball.
Bad calls are made in all sports. It’ll be a non story by tomorrow.
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https://twitter.com/JonRothstein/status/1624627426264289281
Duke got screwed!
Three words that have me reaching for a crying towel.
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Bad calls are made in all sports. It’ll be a non story by tomorrow.
Agreed. On the "bad call" spectrum I give it a 5 out of 10.
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Agreed. On the "bad call" spectrum I give it a 5 out of 10.
Had that been Kolek fouled on the final play and the situation was handled the exact same way, with the Big East later admitting that the refs screwed up and Kolek shoulda had the chance to win the game for Marquette, where would you have placed it on the bad call spectrum?
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Had that been Kolek fouled on the final play and the situation was handled the exact same way, with the Big East later admitting that the refs screwed up and Kolek shoulda had the chance to win the game for Marquette, where would you have placed it on the bad call spectrum?
Easy, 11.
I was speaking about how it actually falls in the spectrum for non-Duke fans. The rest of the sporting world has moved on because it was one of 1,000 bad calls yesterday.
I wait for the "30 for 30" on the call then reevaluate.
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I hate Duke but that was embarrassing.
Isn’t it more of a question as to when the ref blew his whistle? There’s naturally a lull between when the foul occurs and the clock stops for the whistle, but they never make clock adjustments like this the rest of the game.
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Let's talk shortage of officials accelerated by COVID and crazy behavior. There is a reason John Higgins refs every day. It affects consistency and quality. One plan was to dip into the G League. We had some women NBA refs in OOC. But there seems to be a lack of young officiating talent in the NCAAs.
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That is universal at all levels in all sports.
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Let's talk shortage of officials accelerated by COVID and crazy behavior. There is a reason John Higgins refs every day. It affects consistency and quality. One plan was to dip into the G League. We had some women NBA refs in OOC. But there seems to be a lack of young officiating talent in the NCAAs.
Where are the Mache brothers? I recall they were on track to be refs at one point
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Offensive clinic in Columbus so far. Should be a Super Bowl prop bet. more points in the Super Bowl or MSU v OSU
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OSU is so bad. I think Georgetown and DePaul can beat them.
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OSU is so bad. I think Georgetown and DePaul can beat them.
14 points at halftime - that’s Bucky level incompetence.
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8th grade girls half.
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14 points at halftime - that’s Bucky level incompetence.
Don’t talk about a blue blood like that:
https://twitter.com/thefieldof68/status/1624842267478335488?s=46&t=ZLwC0iwJsZmJVDRTZAeDvQ
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Don’t talk about a blue blood like that:
https://twitter.com/thefieldof68/status/1624842267478335488?s=46&t=ZLwC0iwJsZmJVDRTZAeDvQ
Where does the term “blue blood” come from?
Sounds Communist
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Don’t talk about a blue blood like that:
https://twitter.com/thefieldof68/status/1624842267478335488?s=46&t=ZLwC0iwJsZmJVDRTZAeDvQ
Makes you realize how far Villanova has fallen in 10 months.
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Braden Smith had 7 at half and hasn't shot in the 2nd half.
Would be a brutal beat.
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Purdue kicking this game away vs Northwestern.
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Purdue kicking this game away vs Northwestern.
Who is the last team to win it all that had their best player as a Center that is unable to create shots for himself?
I don't think Purdue can win it all. Guard play wins in March.
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Northwestern throwing out the blue print on how to beat overrated Purdue
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Good/great teams lose conference road games, be it in Hartford or Evanston.
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16 turnovers for Purdue today - they will lose in the tournament to a team that is able to apply full court pressure, as they are horrible at handling it.
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Where does the term “blue blood” come from?
Sounds Communist
It originates from medieval Spain, where the Spanish nobility claimed to have no Moorish, Jewish, or any other ancestry. Sangre azul is Spanish for blue blood. The Spanish Blue Bloods considered themselves pure Goths. Their lighter complexion allowed the blueness in their veins to show up more prominently than darker skinned people. The term grew over time to describe all European royalty.
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Who is the last team to win it all that had their best player as a Center that is unable to create shots for himself?
I don't think Purdue can win it all. Guard play wins in March.
I think the fact that NW wom this game and literally couldn't make a shot is telling. The formula is stopping the others and pressuring their guards. Purdue was abysmal the final 10 mins or so.
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It originates from medieval Spain, where the Spanish nobility claimed to have no Moorish, Jewish, or any other ancestry. Sangre azul is Spanish for blue blood. The Spanish Blue Bloods considered themselves pure Goths. Their lighter complexion allowed the blueness in their veins to show up more prominently than darker skinned people. The term grew over time to describe all European royalty.
Thank you, Mr. Clavin
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It originates from medieval Spain, where the Spanish nobility claimed to have no Moorish, Jewish, or any other ancestry. Sangre azul is Spanish for blue blood. The Spanish Blue Bloods considered themselves pure Goths. Their lighter complexion allowed the blueness in their veins to show up more prominently than darker skinned people. The term grew over time to describe all European royalty.
Sorry, the card says "Moops."
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Yikes
The police report cites three offenses for the three players: one count of false imprisonment, one count of harassment and two counts of sexual contact. The victim told police that the incidents had been occurring since July or August of 2022.
In the witness report, the victim states that on Feb. 6, 2023, three members of the basketball team – whose names were redacted in the police report released to KTSM – allegedly, “held him down with him facing down, removed his clothing exposing his buttocks and began to ‘slap his ass.’ He also went on to state that they also touched his scrotum.”
The victim also alleges in the report that the inappropriate physical and sexual touching by his teammates had been ongoing issues inside the locker room at both the Pan American Center and on road trips.
https://www.ktsm.com/news/false-imprisonment-sexual-contact-among-hazing-allegations-against-new-mexico-state-mens-basketball-players/
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Wow. That’s more than just hazing. Brutal.
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Yikes
The police report cites three offenses for the three players: one count of false imprisonment, one count of harassment and two counts of sexual contact. The victim told police that the incidents had been occurring since July or August of 2022.
In the witness report, the victim states that on Feb. 6, 2023, three members of the basketball team – whose names were redacted in the police report released to KTSM – allegedly, “held him down with him facing down, removed his clothing exposing his buttocks and began to ‘slap his ass.’ He also went on to state that they also touched his scrotum.”
The victim also alleges in the report that the inappropriate physical and sexual touching by his teammates had been ongoing issues inside the locker room at both the Pan American Center and on road trips.
https://www.ktsm.com/news/false-imprisonment-sexual-contact-among-hazing-allegations-against-new-mexico-state-mens-basketball-players/
Sounds like a Tuesday night in O’Donnell
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Sounds like a Tuesday night in O’Donnell
Now that's funny.
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Wow. That’s more than just hazing. Brutal.
Sounds exactly like hazing. Brutal? No.
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Sounds exactly like hazing. Brutal? No.
They allegedly sexually assaulted him. You don’t think that’s brutal?
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They allegedly sexually assaulted him. You don’t think that’s brutal?
It was terrible that they allegedly touched his scrotum.
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Sounds like a Tuesday night in O’Donnell
😂 😂 😂
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It was terrible that they allegedly touched his scrotum.
My ex wife and I would still be together if she “hazed” me..
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Don’t talk about a blue blood like that:
https://twitter.com/thefieldof68/status/1624842267478335488?s=46&t=ZLwC0iwJsZmJVDRTZAeDvQ
Well unnatural carnal knowledge, now the Walmart badgers will call them “blue bloods” in addition to the “Harvard of the the Midwest”.
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Sounds like a Tuesday night in O’Donnell
My ex wife and I would still be together if she “hazed” me..
I know you are trying to be funny. But it's that attitude (not you personally but a societal attitude) that allows for this kind of thing to continue and discourages men from coming forward about it. What's being described is a sexual assault.
It was terrible that they allegedly touched his scrotum.
That they allegedly forcibly held him down against his will, forcibly removed his clothing, and slapped him and touched him without his consent. This isn't two guys trying to sack tap each other.
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Sounds like a Tuesday night in O’Donnell
Crickets? OD gowne, hey?
You guys are old.
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I know you are trying to be funny. But it's that attitude (not you personally but a societal attitude) that allows for this kind of thing to continue and discourages men from coming forward about it. What's being described is a sexual assault.
That they allegedly forcibly held him down against his will, forcibly removed his clothing, and slapped him and touched him without his consent. This isn't two guys trying to sack tap each other.
100%
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I know you are trying to be funny. But it's that attitude (not you personally but a societal attitude) that allows for this kind of thing to continue and discourages men from coming forward about it. What's being described is a sexual assault.
That they allegedly forcibly held him down against his will, forcibly removed his clothing, and slapped him and touched him without his consent. This isn't two guys trying to sack tap each other.
What they did was wrong, not brutal.
Tens of thousands or women are BRUTALLY raped every year. Lets not lump this incident with those.
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What they did was wrong, not brutal.
Tens of thousands or women are BRUTALLY raped every year. Lets not lump this incident with those.
Both are unacceptable. Not sure why you're dying on this hill of whataboutism.
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Both are unacceptable. Not sure why you're dying on this hill of whataboutism.
I guess in comes down to one’s interpretation of “brutal”.
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What they did was wrong, not brutal.
Tens of thousands or women are BRUTALLY raped every year. Lets not lump this incident with those.
I think brutal is a reasonable adjective for multiple men hold someone down against their will, removing their clothing against their will, and touching and slapping their private body parts against their will. If you want to fight over the definition of brutal, that's a weird thing to get argumentative about. Because intentionally or unintentionally, you seem to be trying to minimize this.
Sexual assault is not a contest. It doesn't matter which one is worse.
I guess in comes down to one’s interpretation of “brutal”.
Does it? Or does it come down to the sex of the victim? If multiple men held down a woman against her will, removed her clothing against her will, and touched and slapped her private body parts against her will, would you have an issue with someone describing that as brutal?
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I think brutal is a reasonable adjective for multiple men hold someone down against their will, removing their clothing against their will, and touching and slapping their private body parts against their will. If you want to fight over the definition of brutal, that's a weird thing to get argumentative about. Because intentionally or unintentionally, you seem to be trying to minimize this.
Sexual assault is not a contest. It doesn't matter which one is worse.
Not getting argumentative at all, but keep at it.
Having someone close to the family brutally raped……..this hits home.
What these men did was wrong and terrible. If you want details of a brutal rape PM me and Ill give you the details. This is different.
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Not getting argumentative at all, but keep at it.
Having someone close to the family brutally raped……..this hits home.
What these men did was wrong and terrible. If you want details of a brutal rape PM me and Ill give you the details. This is different.
Would you say the same if the victim was female?
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Would you say the same if the victim was female?
In our case…..she was. The brutality in which she was raped is horrific.
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To be fair, there are multiple contexts in which one can use the word "brutal." There is a brutally violent rape that your family member unfortunately endured. But there are also phrases like "this winter was brutal," or "the end of that game was brutal."
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In our case…..she was. The brutality in which she was raped is horrific.
Since you're not answering, I'm going to assume that the answer is no and that the victim being male is at least part of the reason why you objected to use of the word brutal.
I'm sorry for what your family member went through. I truly am. I spend all day listening to survivors and alleged perpetrators of sexual assault. The reality is, they are all brutal to those who lived them and those who love them. Someone else describing a sexual assault that was less violent than the one your loved one endured as brutal does nothing to minimize or make light of their situation. But saying another sexual assault wasn't bad enough to be described a certain way does minimize and make light of another situation.
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All sexual assaults are terrible and wrong.
Some are more brutal than others.
Ill leave it at that.
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Mike Brey has a change of heart and isn't retiring after all.
But he is still leaving Notre Dame.
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Miami-Dade FD got popped for 8 figures 20+ years ago for a hazing incident similar to this.
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All sexual assaults are terrible and wrong.
Some are more brutal than others.
Ill leave it at that.
I agree with all that 100%
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All sexual assaults are terrible and wrong.
Some are more brutal than others.
Ill leave it at that.
You should probably just walk away from this one since a pissing match about how brutal a rape is comes down to the victim's experience alone.
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You should probably just walk away from this one since a pissing match about how brutal a rape is comes down to the victim's experience alone.
I think the doctor should take some of his own medicine.
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From CBS Sports
No. 16 Xavier at No. 11 Marquette (Wednesday, 7 p.m. on CBS Sports Network) -- One day after Creighton-Providence, this is the other game featuring two of the Big East's top four. Marquette has a ½-game lead over both Xavier and Creighton, and this one should be a ton of fun. Xavier won the first meeting at home just over a month ago despite shooting under 28% from three (the Musketeers are second in D-I at 40.1% on the season) but made up for it with 40 points in the paint.
Marquette, meanwhile, actually had more points in the paint (42) in that contest and leads the country with 41.3 points per game off shots at the rim. Zach Freemantle and Jack Nunge against Oso Ighodaro sets up to be a terrific matchup
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From CBS Sports
No. 16 Xavier at No. 11 Marquette (Wednesday, 7 p.m. on CBS Sports Network) -- One day after Creighton-Providence, this is the other game featuring two of the Big East's top four. Marquette has a ½-game lead over both Xavier and Creighton, and this one should be a ton of fun. Xavier won the first meeting at home just over a month ago despite shooting under 28% from three (the Musketeers are second in D-I at 40.1% on the season) but made up for it with 40 points in the paint.
Marquette, meanwhile, actually had more points in the paint (42) in that contest and leads the country with 41.3 points per game off shots at the rim. Zach Freemantle and Jack Nunge against Oso Ighodaro sets up to be a terrific matchup
Someone might want to tell them that Freemantle is hurt. 👀
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Someone might want to tell them that Freemantle is hurt. 👀
Nah. Surprised that they did not write about how big of a game this is for Wojo.
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Nah. Surprised that they did not write about how big of a game this is for Wojo.
Or how they’ll need a big game from Dawson.
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I remember always hearing that if you were a player that played for Tom Izzo for 4 years you went to a Final Four. Has that changed with the arrival of a Hauser?
Anyway, has there ever been a 4 year stretch of Izzo players that hasn't had at least one player who murdered or raped someone? Between the basketball program seemingly always having a new name in the headlines, the football team's sexual assault issues, and Larry Nassar, that athletic department really is something.
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Mike Brey has a change of heart and isn't retiring after all.
But he is still leaving Notre Dame.
Georgetown might be a good landing spot considering his roots.
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Georgetown might be a good landing spot considering his roots.
I'm very curious where he's going. Have to think he knows otherwise he wouldn't be making the announcement. Wonder if he has any ties to New Mexico State.
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Wojo is in the New Mexico State neighborhood. Runs a squeaky clean program. Currently dipping his toes in the water with his gig with ESPN. Just sayin'.
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Someone might want to tell them that Freemantle is hurt. 👀
Probably written by ChatGPT
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Mike Brey has a change of heart and isn't retiring after all.
But he is still leaving Notre Dame.
Yeah I don't know if he had a change of heart. I think ND offered him this option to save face.
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This is just really strange.
https://twitter.com/RichKralik/status/1625198205267849216?t=Um0T2CNBFkm9salvSzFkVw&s=19
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This is just really strange.
https://twitter.com/RichKralik/status/1625198205267849216?t=Um0T2CNBFkm9salvSzFkVw&s=19
What could Collins possibly be doing? I don't understand.
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What could Collins possibly be doing? I don't understand.
My guess was he wanted one of his guys to come over and guard him and based on instinct was grabbing the player. Kind of looked like something a coach would do while explaining something in practice.
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Poorly coached/Poor decision making by a veteran team in the UNC/Miami game.
UNC just kept launching bricks from downtown even though they were scoring at will in the paint.
Miami kept attacking.
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What could Collins possibly be doing? I don't understand.
Bad look, could be any number of things though. Thought it was his own guy etc.
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This is just really strange.
https://twitter.com/RichKralik/status/1625198205267849216?t=Um0T2CNBFkm9salvSzFkVw&s=19
WTF? Totally bizarre.
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My guess was he wanted one of his guys to come over and guard him and based on instinct was grabbing the player. Kind of looked like something a coach would do while explaining something in practice.
I thought the same thing, but he didn't look like he responded afterwards like you would if it was accidental instinct. He kinda just brushed it off lol.
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Mike Brey has a change of heart and isn't retiring after all.
But he is still leaving Notre Dame.
Mike Brey to TX
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#6 Texas lost to Texas Tech, which entered the game 2-10 in the conference.
Texas is 5-4 since Jan. 19
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#6 Texas lost to Texas Tech, which entered the game 2-10 in the conference.
Texas is 5-4 since Jan. 19
They are also 5-3 since Jan. 21 and 8-4 since Jan. 4. And 3 of those 4 were road games against teams currently ranked in the top 20 (2 in the top 10).
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They are also 5-3 since Jan. 21 and 8-4 since Jan. 4. And 3 of those 4 were road games against teams currently ranked in the top 20 (2 in the top 10).
Yes, all of what both you and I said are true, including that they just lost to a team that was 2-10 in their conference. Tough to win in the Big 12, and tough to win in most leagues on the road.
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#6 Texas lost to Texas Tech, which entered the game 2-10 in the conference.
Texas is 5-4 since Jan. 19
I show them as 5-3 in that period. Did you mean Jan 17? Is there some meaning to that date or just cherry picking to make a point?
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I show them as 5-3 in that period. Did you mean Jan 17? Is there some meaning to that date or just cherry picking to make a point?
Yes, Jan. 17. Thanks for the correction. Management regrets the error.
I just looked back at a stretch and saw they were 5-4. I'm not saying Texas is anything less than a fine team. What I'm saying is that even fine teams lose games -- even against teams that were 2-10 in their conference. Not that anyone would find that to be breaking news.
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Yes, Jan. 17. Thanks for the correction. Management regrets the error.
I just looked back at a stretch and saw they were 5-4. I'm not saying Texas is anything less than a fine team. What I'm saying is that even fine teams lose games -- even against teams that were 2-10 in their conference. Not that anyone would find that to be breaking news.
There are 10 Big 12 teams in KenPom top 30. Someone has to be losing games in that league
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8 of 10, not 10 of 12. B12 like its conference brethren does not adhere to number naming standards
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8 of 10, not 10 of 12. B12 like its conference brethren does not adhere to number naming standards
Whoops
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No shame in losing to Texas Tech on the road. They're a good team playing in a remarkably good conference. The record doesn't reflect their talent level.
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No shame in losing to Texas Tech on the road. They're a good team playing in a remarkably good conference. The record doesn't reflect their talent level.
If you were a Texas Tech fan, would you be satisfied with your "good" team? If they actually have a lot of talent but they're 3-10 in conference, wouldn't you be calling for your coach to be fired?
I do agree that the Big 12 is a hell of conference. Houston would be about the 3rd or 4th best team. (By far!)
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If you were a Texas Tech fan, would you be satisfied with your "good" team? If they actually have a lot of talent but they're 3-10 in conference, wouldn't you be calling for your coach to be fired?
I do agree that the Big 12 is a hell of conference. Houston would be about the 3rd or 4th best team. (By far!)
No I would be disappointed.
However as a neutral with half a brain cell, I can see the talent on their roster as well as the close games they've lost show they're a better team than their conference record indicates. Also as stated before, they have a distinct home court advantage and their fans still bring it despite their struggles this year.
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No shame in losing to Texas Tech on the road. They're a good team playing in a remarkably good conference. The record doesn't reflect their talent level.
I don't follow Texas Tech at all, but there were some comments on the telecast last night that Texas Tech has had some injury problems and is significantly better than their record indicates. Their Ken Pom rating of 63 suggests a team that is at least decent.
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No I would be disappointed.
However as a neutral with half a brain cell, I can see the talent on their roster as well as the close games they've lost show they're a better team than their conference record indicates. Also as stated before, they have a distinct home court advantage and their fans still bring it despite their struggles this year.
Thanks for the honest, reasonable answer. I'm a "you are what your record says you are" guy, but your perspective definitely has merit.
It must be difficult being the decent-but-not-quite-good-enough team in a stacked conference.
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Thanks for the honest, reasonable answer. I'm a "you are what your record says you are" guy, but your perspective definitely has merit.
It must be difficult being the decent-but-not-quite-good-enough team in a stacked conference.
Simple answers for a simple guy.
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They lost to Ohio State. End of discussion.
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Oklahoma’s trouncing of Bama is easily the weirdest upset of the season. Assuming they lose to K St tonight, since beating WVU exactly a month ago, they will have lost 8 of 9. And the previous 7 losses were by an average of 17 pts. Mixed in was a 25 pt victory over the #2 team in the country. Beyond bizarre. And they did it scoring 93 points. They scored more than 75 points 1 other time all season.
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Rutgers about to drop to 0-3 without Mawot Mag, losing tonight to Nebraska in a reverse RAC Attack
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Rutgers about to drop to 0-3 without Mawot Mag, losing tonight to Nebraska in a reverse RAC Attack
Is that a CAR Crash?
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Is that a CAR Crash?
Calling it now - Nebraska’s gonna win the Big 10 tournament. 😊
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Is that a CAR Crash?
Usually is in Piscataway
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Juwan Howard doesn't impress me as a coach.
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Juwan Howard doesn't impress me as a coach.
How do you feel about his right hook?
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I'm glad Michigan stinks because Howard is a joke, but I'd prefer they win tonight.
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Kansas State, currently projected as one of the four 3 seeds ahead of Marquette on bracket matrix, down 13 on the road against the fighting Porter Mosers.
They are the one squad I sort of expect to fall off the top 4 seed lines and fade late in the season.
Would be another good result for Marquette on the night if it holds.
Another 3 seed on bracket matrix will be at FiServ tomorrow facing our warrior golden eagles.
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Brutal offense. 40 seconds left. Michigan's last FG was at 7:23, Wisconsin's at 10:47. Yuck!
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Brutal offense. 40 seconds left. Michigan's last FG was at 7:23, Wisconsin's at 10:47. Yuck!
Finally a made FG!
Jett Howard layup with 24 seconds left.
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I'm glad Michigan stinks because Howard is a joke, but I'd prefer they win tonight.
Wisconsin doesn't have a FG on like 10 mins but in a position to win.
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Neither of these squads pass the eye test as tournament teams.
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Neither of these squads pass the eye test as tournament teams.
Agreed.
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Realistically could our head to head result vs Baylor work in our favor if we're the last 3 seed or first 4 seed?
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Kansas State had three awful losses against Oklahoma, Texas Tech, and Butler.
Only real bad Marquette loss is against Bucky
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Kansas State, currently projected as one of the four 3 seeds ahead of Marquette on bracket matrix, down 13 on the road against the fighting Porter Mosers.
They are the one squad I sort of expect to fall off the top 4 seed lines and fade late in the season.
Would be another good result for Marquette on the night if it holds.
Another 3 seed on bracket matrix will be at FiServ tomorrow facing our warrior golden eagles.
Tang was also the front runner for NCOY before this current 2-5 stretch. With TJO also fading, I'm guessing that race is down to Painter and Shaka.
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Tang was also the front runner for NCOY before this current 2-5 stretch. With TJO also fading, I'm guessing that race is down to Painter and Shaka.
Shaka won't win it.
I've yet to see anyone outside of Marquette mention him as BE COY yet alone the country.
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IF Marquette wins a BE title, or even just wins tomorrow night and next week at Creighton, plenty of people would be mentioning Shaka as National CoY.
Purdue just lost 2/3, have tough roadies at Maryland and UW, host Illinois and Indiana.
A fade there isn’t out of the realm of possibility either since they are due for a bit of a bounce back to reality.
5-0 finish by Marquette and a stumble by Purdue and it could happen.
Maybe even a 4-1 finish by MU along with a run to the BE final
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Tang was also the front runner for NCOY before this current 2-5 stretch. With TJO also fading, I'm guessing that race is down to Painter and Shaka.
Oates is in it.
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Good call in Nate Oats
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Shaka won't win it.
I've yet to see anyone outside of Marquette mention him as BE COY yet alone the country.
First article when you Google NCOY candidates.
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/35615612/my-21-coach-year-candidates-2022-23
Second article when you Google NCOY candidates.
https://www.si.com/.amp/college/2023/02/03/college-basketball-coach-of-year-tang-painter-smart
Third article when you Google NCOY candidates. From 3 weeks ago.
https://247sports.com/LongFormArticle/College-basketballs-10-midseason-contenders-for-National-Coach-of-the-Year-203697357/Amp/
Fourth article when you Google NCOY candidates.
https://bustingbrackets.com/2023/02/07/ncaa-basketball-top-12-candidates-for-2022-23-coach-of-the-year/amp/11/
Fifth article is from 2/1/22, so I stopped there. Literally every one mentions Shaka.
But the media hates MU so nobody mentions him.
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Shaka won't win it.
I've yet to see anyone outside of Marquette mention him as BE COY yet alone the country.
Shaka is mentioned as the clear BE front runner and has been for like a month haha
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Shaka won't win it.
I've yet to see anyone outside of Marquette mention him as BE COY yet alone the country.
I absolutely have seen and heard Shaka in the BECOY conversation; he's usually 1st or 2nd in most mentions (Miller being the other). Several announcers have thrown it out there, including Raftery and (IIRC) Butch. And here's a Sports Illustrated piece (published Feb. 3) that puts him No. 3 on the national COY list: https://www.si.com/college/2023/02/03/college-basketball-coach-of-year-tang-painter-smart
Picked ninth out of 11 teams in the Big East’s preseason poll, Smart has Marquette at the top of the conference and in the top 15 nationally in just his second season in Milwaukee. What’s more, he has done it despite losing star forward Justin Lewis late to the NBA draft last spring.
Smart originally made a name for himself in coaching with his “Havoc” defense at VCU. While Marquette’s defense is excellent at forcing turnovers, what has really caused this year’s team to take off has been the nation’s top-ranked offense on KenPom. The Golden Eagles are a joy to watch because of how they share the ball, with an elite point guard in Tyler Kolek and one of the nation’s best passing bigs in Oso Ighodaro. Smart’s player-development prowess has been on full display with this group after he bet big on internal improvement from the likes of Kolek, Ighodaro and forward Olivier-Maxence Prosper, all of whom have made huge strides from last season. If Marquette wins the Big East, Smart has as good a case as anyone for this award.
After we win tomorrow night vs. X and then go on to win the Big East, Shaka will emerge as the BECOY frontrunner IMHO. But I tend to agree with those that he's a long shot nationally. Painter, for one, has already gotten so much national pub, all of it deserved.
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Shaka won't win it.
I've yet to see anyone outside of Marquette mention him as BE COY yet alone the country.
Then you've yet to pay attention to any conversations about BECOY or NCOY.
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Shaka won't win it.
I've yet to see anyone outside of Marquette mention him as BE COY yet alone the country.
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Field of 68 mentions him weekly as COY candidate.
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Field of 68 mentions him weekly as COY candidate.
Saw something just today with them picking between Painter, Oates, Randy Bennett, and Shaka.
Jeff Goodman started his list with Bill Self and then they had to tell him to start over because he wasn't an option in their little game.
I believe all 3 settled with
1. Painter
2. Bennett
3. Oates
4. Shaka
I'll take it, but he better at least be the BE COY.
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Neither of these squads pass the eye test as tournament teams.
Michigan isn't even close to the bubble so why would you expect them to look like a tournament team?
It's hard to tell if Howard's biggest problem is coaching or roster construction. Between transfers and players leaving for pro ball they weren't left with a lot of returning talent from last year.
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Michigan isn't even close to the bubble so why would you expect them to look like a tournament team?
It's hard to tell if Howard's biggest problem is coaching or roster construction. Between transfers and players leaving for pro ball they weren't left with a lot of returning talent from last year.
Roster construction. They took a big swing with some kids in the ‘21 class. Two went pro, one transferred. They brought in transfer to play point and he blew out his knee.
Last night would concern me, however. Giving up 13 offensive boards to Wisconsin is hard to do and they don’t communicate on defense at all
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https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/court-report-how-marquette-became-one-of-college-basketballs-best-teams-despite-shunning-transfer-portal/
Good Norlander coverage
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Shaka won't win it.
I've yet to see anyone outside of Marquette mention him as BE COY yet alone the country.
https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/court-report-how-marquette-became-one-of-college-basketballs-best-teams-despite-shunning-transfer-portal/
Good Norlander coverage
From the Norlander coverage: "Here's how Shaka Smart's worked his way to almost certainly winning Big East Coach of the Year."
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https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/court-report-how-marquette-became-one-of-college-basketballs-best-teams-despite-shunning-transfer-portal/
Good Norlander coverage
That is really good.
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From the Norlander coverage: "Here's how Shaka Smart's worked his way to almost certainly winning Big East Coach of the Year."
He should be a BE COY lock, but he won't win the National COY. People love Painter too much.
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He should be a BE COY lock, but he won't win the National COY. People love Painter too much.
Considering just 12 hours ago you said he wasn't even being mentioned for BECOY, I imagine by this time tomorrow you'll have him as the NCOY lock too.
Shaka won't win it.
I've yet to see anyone outside of Marquette mention him as BE COY yet alone the country.
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GE03 flip flopping? I for one am SHOCKED.
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Considering just 12 hours ago you said he wasn't even being mentioned for BECOY, I imagine by this time tomorrow you'll have him as the NCOY lock too.
Huh?
I said I didn't see anyone talking about it. I never said he wasn't going to. What's your deal?
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GE03 flip flopping? I for one am SHOCKED.
How is that flip flopping? Please explain?
I said I haven't seen anyone talking about him for either award, I didn't say anything about him not winning BE COY. He should be a lock.
I'll await a response.
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A quick review of your posting history provides all the evidence necessary. I can only lead you to a mirror, I can't make you look in it.
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A quick review of your posting history provides all the evidence necessary. I can only lead you to a mirror, I can't make you look in it.
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How is that flip flopping? Please explain?
I said I haven't seen anyone talking about him for either award, I didn't say anything about him not winning BE COY. He should be a lock.
I'll await a response.
Well then next time you should probably say "i havent bothered to look at one anyone is saying"
Because as evidenced, if you had even remotely of followed COY talk at a 5% clip youd know hes been mentioned.
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Well then next time you should probably say "i havent bothered to look at one anyone is saying"
Because as evidenced, if you had even remotely of followed COY talk at a 5% clip youd know hes been mentioned.
I never said anything about him not winning BE COY. For my money he should be unanimous BE COY and National COY. I just simply said he won't win National COY because everyone seems to be obsessed with Painter. I just hadn't seen any real buzz for Shaka being a real NCOY contender.
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https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/court-report-how-marquette-became-one-of-college-basketballs-best-teams-despite-shunning-transfer-portal/
Good Norlander coverage
Thanks for posting. The article is interesting in that it's not just another Shaka profile piece. This is the deepest look I've seen on Shaka's philosophy regarding transfers. Our NIL pool of $$ will not be allocated to some star who is looking for "some sort of bag."
"You ain't getting a lot of these guys unless they're getting some sort of bag," Smart said. "Number one, we weren't in position to do that. Number two, we're not comfortable doing that. Number three, we didn't want to ever prioritize some random guy from the Mountain West Conference over our current players. That's ludicrous to me."
There are other real pointed quotes in there, too. Very worth the read.
Also ... I never get tired of looking at that layup by Vander, so thanks for that, too!!!!
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Charges against Chris Beard dropped. Guess this means he did nothing wrong or illegal.
Will he coach again soon? Next season. 2024-25? Which program will bite?
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Who would want a coach who chokes when push comes to shove?
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Wonder what P6 job he has by the end of spring
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Kentucky
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Wonder what P6 job he has by the end of spring
Liberty seems like a great landing spot at some point
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Liberty seems like a great landing spot at some point
Yes
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Louisville?
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Hey! There we go!
https://twitter.com/GoodmanHoops/status/1626041449417416705?t=qA95GGngYfNQ2pPzXFldCg&s=19
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Hey! There we go!
https://twitter.com/GoodmanHoops/status/1626041449417416705?t=qA95GGngYfNQ2pPzXFldCg&s=19
Literally everyone who’s been writing about NCOY in the past number of weeks lists Shaka.
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Literally everyone who’s been writing about NCOY in the past number of weeks lists Shaka.
I get it. I haven't seen it until now. Guess I missed it.
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Really enjoying Northwestern wiping the floor with IU right now.
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Really enjoying Northwestern wiping the floor with IU right now.
I’m enjoying everything right now.
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Louisville?
I think you are right. UofL has proven for decades that winning is the only thing they care about.
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I thought the charges would be dropped eventually. Not because Beard is innocent (hard to buy innocence with that police report) but because once you have an unwilling complainant it is rare for these kind of cases to go forward. At least here in the great state of Texas.
I don't think anyone will hire Beard in the next coaching carousel. Maybe he gets a job in a year or two but I think it will be outside the P6 and he'll have to earn his way back. I think he is actually radioactive enough to not touch for now...though no one ever got rich betting that athletic departments won't prioritize winning over everything else
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Really enjoying Northwestern wiping the floor with IU right now.
"In contention for a 2 seed" Indiana? LOL.
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Indiana was the only team on the 5-seed line that I was "worried" could make up to the 4 seed line and potentially bump us out. After last night, Indiana got pushed back a bit and I think we might be on the 3-seed line now.
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They are doing the top 16 reveal Saturday right?
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They are doing the top 16 reveal Saturday right?
Sat feb 18th at 11:30 CST
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Who would want a coach who chokes when push comes to shove?
Oh... OH. I see what you did there.
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Purdue got absolutely smoked tonight by Maryland
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Purdue got absolutely smoked tonight by Maryland
Yikes. Is that team in disarray?
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Purdue led 37-29 early in the second half and the Turtles went on a 29-4 run.
You might think that when a team has been the victims of a court storming twice in less than 2 weeks that the fans of the third team to beat them would recognize that it isn’t that special.
But, Maryland fans didn’t see it that way.
Northwestern, proud owners of two losses to Michigan, is now just a game out of first place in the Big 14.
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Yikes. Is that team in disarray?
They lost a conference road game to a likely tourney team.
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They lost a conference road game to a likely tourney team.
True, but they again showed that they struggle against full court pressure.
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They lost a conference road game to a likely tourney team.
Their guards have had problems the last 3 games.
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https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/court-report-how-marquette-became-one-of-college-basketballs-best-teams-despite-shunning-transfer-portal
Very interesting. Any idea who the transfers Marquette stopped pursuing were?
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Is there a bigger idiot in all of college sports than Tom Izzo? He is so self absorbed and thinks the world revolves around him and MSU basketball.
"You have to figure out a way to honor the people who were senselessly killed, and our way of being able to do that is to play the game," Izzo said during a news conference Thursday night.
I swear, if he wasn't such a damn good basketball coach, he'd be a gym / typing teacher in a high school. And the kids and parents would make fun of him.
Everyone knows MSU is not the home of class, commons sense or good judgment, but somebody should tell Izzo to shut up and coach.
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It’s looking like Stan Johnson will not be getting the season sweep of the Zags.
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It’s looking like Stan Johnson will not be getting the season sweep of the Zags.
The Zags are winning by 40...at halftime.
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Gonzaga winning 106-58 over LMU
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It’s looking like Stan Johnson will not be getting the season sweep of the Zags.
Final Gonzaga 108 LMU 65
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Is there a bigger idiot in all of college sports than Tom Izzo? He is so self absorbed and thinks the world revolves around him and MSU basketball.
"You have to figure out a way to honor the people who were senselessly killed, and our way of being able to do that is to play the game," Izzo said during a news conference Thursday night.
I swear, if he wasn't such a damn good basketball coach, he'd be a gym / typing teacher in a high school. And the kids and parents would make fun of him.
Everyone knows MSU is not the home of class, commons sense or good judgment, but somebody should tell Izzo to shut up and coach.
One of the worst tropes in modern society is the idea sports heal something after a tragedy. It’s really gross exploitation to create a narrative at the expense of a seneseless tragedy.
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Richmond head coach, Chris Mooney to miss the remainder of the season. He’s having heart surgery next week.
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LMU only lost the second half by 3!
Will New Mexico continue dumping their pants tonight? Not unexpected.
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Buzzkill:
https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/florida-lawmakers-introduce-bills-that-would-criminalize-storming-fields-courts-at-sporting-events/
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Buzzkill:
https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/florida-lawmakers-introduce-bills-that-would-criminalize-storming-fields-courts-at-sporting-events/
Man, Florida is reality just the no fun league of states
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Richmond head coach, Chris Mooney to miss the remainder of the season. He’s having heart surgery next week.
Most of all, good luck to him, hope all goes well.
But Mooney is second only to Chris Lowery in terms of coaches I remember hearing mentioned with Marquette openings in the past that are an absolute bullet dodged. Based on his track record, Mooney would have been Deane 2.0. Meanwhile Lowery would have been Dukiet 2.0
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Most of all, good luck to him, hope all goes well.
But Mooney is second only to Chris Lowery in terms of coaches I remember hearing mentioned with Marquette openings in the past that are an absolute bullet dodged. Based on his track record, Mooney would have been Deane 2.0. Meanwhile Lowery would have been Dukiet 2.0
The Richmond fanbase aren’t thrilled with his record, though I’m not sure what realistic expectations are for them in the A-10
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The Richmond fanbase aren’t thrilled with his record, though I’m not sure what realistic expectations are for them in the A-10
Yea, he’s got 9 lives. Always does just enough to keep his job.
But agreed, not sure what they expect. They have 5 NCAA berths in the last 30 years…Mooney has 3 of them. Even Beilien was good not great there. It’s a small school, second even in their own small city and even more of a minnow when you expand to the DMV area.
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Today is going to be an unbelievable day of watching and following college basketball with no stress worrying about an MU game.
A great chance to see future NCAA and bubble teams in action.
Maybe we can get a gift like last weekend with Creighton or Providence taking a loss. I suspect Xavier will rout DePaul. Better teams seem to blow away lesser teams that they lost to in an earlier road game. See, e.g. LMU vs Gonzaga.
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Today is going to be an unbelievable day of watching and following college basketball with no stress worrying about an MU game.
A great chance to see future NCAA and bubble teams in action.
Maybe we can get a gift like last weekend with Creighton or Providence taking a loss. I suspect Xavier will rout DePaul. Better teams seem to blow away lesser teams that they lost to in an earlier road game. See, e.g. LMU vs Gonzaga.
Agreed - it’s been a while since we’ve had a stress free weekend of watching college b-ball.
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Playing Georgetown last Saturday wasn’t all that stressful. 😉😉😉
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Playing Georgetown last Saturday wasn’t all that stressful. 😉😉😉
NMD was stressful
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Lots of awful calls in the Wisky/Rutgers game.
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Lots of awful calls in the Wisky/Rutgers game.
You can hear a pin drop in there. Bardo even called it out.
Student section at tip off:
https://twitter.com/mtthffmn/status/1626990544294449152?s=46&t=yWk0ujtFg40wB0J3mATiYQ
That’s what I call apathy.
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Lots of awful calls in the Wisky/Rutgers game.
Is there a B1G rule that teams are only allowed to have one good half of offense? Both teams were hot in the 1st half and both went cold in the 2nd.
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Is there a B1G rule that teams are only allowed to have one good half of offense? Both teams were hot in the 1st half and both went cold in the 2nd.
McGee with some huge shots for the rodents. Rutgers has been a dumpster fire and was in perfect position to win this game.
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Notre Dame down 1 AT Virginia with 25 seconds left..would be GREAT to see ND take down Virginia, whom I feel is rated too high on the Bracket Reveal
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How in the F wasn't that a charge on Wahl?? Absolute garbage.
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Down goes Wisconsin.
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Ty Rutgers.
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Down goes Wisconsin.
Nice!
Without their best player too! Get UWs ass out of predicted fields. They do not belong.
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Nice!
Without their best player too! Get UWs ass out of predicted fields. They do not belong.
Rutgers' best player was out? COOL 😎
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Down goes Wisconsin.
Hate to see it
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Rutgers' best player was out? COOL 😎
Defensive POY was scratched with back spasms and they lost a starter a few weeks ago to a torn ACL. Rutgers is extremely banged up.
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Defensive POY was scratched with back spasms and they lost a starter a few weeks ago to a torn ACL. Rutgers is extremely banged up.
Not their best player, but two quality starters.
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Kentucky spanking Tennessee. 39-19 at halftime.
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Not their best player, but two quality starters.
10 points
6 rebounds
3 assists
2.5 steals
Per game and tbe B1G Defensive POY. I think many would say he's their best, but I guess that doesn't really matter. Still won without him!
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10 points
6 rebounds
3 assists
2.5 steals
Per game and tbe B1G Defensive POY. I think many would say he's their best, but I guess that doesn't really matter. Still won without him!
Exactly!
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IU with another squeaker against Illinois.
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10 points
6 rebounds
3 assists
2.5 steals
Per game and tbe B1G Defensive POY. I think many would say he's their best, but I guess that doesn't really matter. Still won without him!
I think their center is better. Avg 14 points, 10 rebounds, and 2 blocks. More efficient. But alas, all that matters is Rutgers won.
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Iowa St. doesn't have a point guard.
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Iowa State shouldn’t even be in the same conversation at Marquette. And yet…
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Iowa State shouldn’t even be in the same conversation at Marquette. And yet…
Marquette handles their business and Iowa State won’t be
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17-9 Iowa State, 3 spots ahead of Marquette and at least 6 spots ahead of UConn.
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A Baylor team that Marquette beat by 26 is up 16 AT Kansas.
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17-9 Iowa State, 3 spots ahead of Marquette and at least 6 spots ahead of UConn.
UCONN pummeled them by 18 this year as well.
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UCONN pummeled them by 18 this year as well.
But Big East teams cant hang with Big 12 teams.
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Marquette handles their business and Iowa State won’t be
Agreed. It’s not like these don’t change. If we win at Creighton, that will help improve the weakest part of our resume.
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A Baylor team that Marquette beat by 26 is up 16 AT Kansas.
So the transitive property would make the final score roughly equal to our Final Four game against Kansas.
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Agreed. It’s not like these don’t change. If we win at Creighton, that will help improve the weakest part of our resume.
I think how they seeded teams is head scratching myself. I also think seeding last year was bad for the tournament itself.
Marquette wants a 2 or 3 seed because the path is easier. It’s still within reach.
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So the transitive property would make the final score roughly equal to our Final Four game against Kansas.
Idk about all that, but on that night in December Marquette probably would have run Kansas too. That was just their night.
I actually like how Marquette matches up with Kansas too. Would be a fun tournament game!
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A Baylor team that Marquette beat by 26 is up 16 AT Kansas.
Kansas now up almost 16.
Script has been flipped.
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Kansas now up almost 16.
Script has been flipped.
Complete meltdown by Baylor.
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Complete meltdown by Baylor.
Came out of the locker room with no plan it seemed. I know that's not the case, but that's what it seemed.
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#5 team in the country asserted themselves at home.
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Pulled from Twitter...
"Kansas' record when Dajuan Harris scores more than *three* points this season: 21-0
Kansas' record when Dajuan Harris scores three points or less: 1-5"
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I would say Wisky is NOT in the NCAA tournament. I would guess they need a win over Purdue to have a remote chance.
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I would say Wisky is NOT in the NCAA tournament. I would guess they need a win over Purdue to have a remote chance.
Badgers probably need to go 3-1 to sneak into Dayton.
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Memorial Magic, again.
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Memorial Magic, again.
Vanderbilt had been searching for signs of life after some early season injuries and adversity. Liam Robbins got healthy. And, few things are Better Than Ezra at the end of a game. They’re not too sure and not too proud to say it was good.
https://twitter.com/sec/status/1627152128279027713?s=46&t=SHiXWVBi3M_pBBF1SMJoAg
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Ohio St once again showing why they deserve their top 60 NET ranking. 🙄
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Can't figure out why North Carolina is so bad this year.
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Can't figure out why North Carolina is so bad this year.
I can’t either Sultan? Manek was pretty instrumental in their run though. When he was out in the Baylor game last year that’s when Baylor made their run but couldn’t seal the deal. With Manek, Baylor was looking as bad as MU did against NC.
Lots of NIL money down the crapper with NC.
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I can’t either Sultan? Manek was pretty instrumental in their run though. When he was out in the Baylor game last year that’s when Baylor made their run but couldn’t seal the deal. With Manek, Baylor was looking as bad as MU did against NC.
Lots of NIL money down the crapper with NC.
No point guard and too reliant on bacot
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I can’t either Sultan? Manek was pretty instrumental in their run though. When he was out in the Baylor game last year that’s when Baylor made their run but couldn’t seal the deal. With Manek, Baylor was looking as bad as MU did against NC.
Lots of NIL money down the crapper with NC.
Don’t forget they were a bubble team for most of last year too
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Odds this announcer has a job on Monday morning?
https://twitter.com/JackMacCFB/status/1627386387795218438?t=qhTjaQarza9Le4MMJVUNEg&s=19
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Don’t forget they were a bubble team for most of last year too
Yea and they didn’t go deep last year, really only played like 6 or 7. So you take out their second best player in Manek, and you need a leap from someone else. Bacot is about the same. Davis and Love made little improvements but noticeable. Nobody else stepped up and Nance is just a role player, nothing more
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Hence the 8 seed.
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Can't figure out why North Carolina is so bad this year.
I don't think they like each other very much. Caught lightning in a bottle last year, that's hard to replicate, especially with off court issues.
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Odds this announcer has a job on Monday morning?
https://twitter.com/JackMacCFB/status/1627386387795218438?t=qhTjaQarza9Le4MMJVUNEg&s=19
Wow, you can't say that on sportscenter
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Wow, you can't say that on sportscenter
Ehh...it's more innocent than meets the eye...if you don't believe the internet for everything :)
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NW is playing some solid hoops. Boo Buie has a lot of game.
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NBA ASG draft is another reminder that the NCAA tournament should not be seeded by the committee, auto qualifiers and NET ranks to fill 68 slots. NET ranking team #1 (and so on) then picks their opponents and locations.
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NBA ASG draft is another reminder that the NCAA tournament should not be seeded by the committee, auto qualifiers and NET ranks to fill 68 slots. NET ranking team #1 (and so on) then picks their opponents and locations.
I don't watch the ASG anymore. What happened?
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NBA ASG draft is another reminder that the NCAA tournament should not be seeded by the committee, auto qualifiers and NET ranks to fill 68 slots. NET ranking team #1 (and so on) then picks their opponents and locations.
Another reminder? Is this something that people are actually calling for?
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I don't think they like each other very much. Caught lightning in a bottle last year, that's hard to replicate, especially with off court issues.
So it wasn’t just Dawson’s fault? 👀
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NBA ASG draft is another reminder that the NCAA tournament should not be seeded by the committee, auto qualifiers and NET ranks to fill 68 slots. NET ranking team #1 (and so on) then picks their opponents and locations.
Yeah…no.
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Yeah…no.
Shocked you would dislike something fun, SHOCKED I tell you!
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Shocked you would dislike something fun, SHOCKED I tell you!
That is…really not all that fun.
And using NBA players playing a meaningless and effortless exhibition game as a model to format your NCAA Tournament after is…well, it’s something!
Maybe we should just put all the players for the teams that made the Tourney and make it one giant draft before we first tip the ball. Rank the coaching jobs, that’s the draft order, snake draft it. After teams are chosen, select your opponent.
FUN!
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That is…really not all that fun.
And using NBA players playing a meaningless and effortless exhibition game as a model to format your NCAA Tournament after is…well, it’s something!
Maybe we should just put all the players for the teams that made the Tourney and make it one giant draft before we first tip the ball. Rank the coaching jobs, that’s the draft order, snake draft it. After teams are chosen, select your opponent.
FUN!
Yeah, having a TV event where schools pick their NCAA opponent would be awful. I’d rather have a committee that has done an impeccable job year after year of seeding teams do it again. No one at all complained about the seeds revealed yesterday, absolutely no one.
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Yeah, having a TV event where schools pick their NCAA opponent would be awful. I’d rather have a committee that has done an impeccable job year after year of seeding teams do it again. No one at all complained about the seeds revealed yesterday, absolutely no one.
So what they did…appears to have worked. Lol.
You’re totally right though. Selection Sunday is broken. There’s no excitement around it anymore. Nobody watches it. Needs a total revamp. I’d totally get back into it if I could see whether Matt Painter would pick to play UWM or Hofstra. I bet whichever he chose would be so much more motivated to play them, it’d make for much more competitive games! Because in the current one and done format, nobody cares anyway.
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So what they did…appears to have worked. Lol.
You’re totally right though. Selection Sunday is broken. There’s no excitement around it anymore. Nobody watches it. Needs a total revamp. I’d totally get back into it if I could see whether Matt Painter would pick to play UWM or Hofstra. I bet whichever he chose would be so much more motivated to play them, it’d make for much more competitive games! Because in the current one and done format, nobody cares anyway.
Lol.
“Let’s keep everything the way it is because we’ve always done it that way!”.
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Lol.
“Let’s keep everything the way it is because we’ve always done it that way!”.
I mean. Yes. It works. And it works because it kicks ass.
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I remember when the US voted to change just for change in 2016. That went well!
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Ehh...it's more innocent than meets the eye...if you don't believe the internet for everything :)
I'm honestly asking, did I miss something? Is it a fake story?
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Yeah, having a TV event where schools pick their NCAA opponent would be awful. I’d rather have a committee that has done an impeccable job year after year of seeding teams do it again. No one at all complained about the seeds revealed yesterday, absolutely no one.
I think there are too many logistics to figure out to make a draft like that work. How do you ensure that you don’t meet conference foes in early rounds? Etc.
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I'm honestly asking, did I miss something? Is it a fake story?
https://www.si.com/college/2023/02/19/espn-anchor-randy-scott-comment-womens-basketball
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https://www.si.com/college/2023/02/19/espn-anchor-randy-scott-comment-womens-basketball
TY. Yeah that changes the context significantly
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https://www.si.com/college/2023/02/19/espn-anchor-randy-scott-comment-womens-basketball
Tiger woods put him up to it
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TY. Yeah that changes the context significantly
That's OK. Myself and the rest of America will find something else to be outraged about ASAP.
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I’ll be rooting for Kansas over TCU tonight.
With all of the Big 12 love, we don’t need TCU moving deeper into the conversation for a higher seed by adding another Q1A win with a sweep over Kansas. That will just add more fuel to the argument that some of TCU’s losses should be discounted because of Miles’ injury.
From here on out I want to see Kansas, Texas, and Baylor winning whenever they play any of TCU, Iowa State, and Kansas State.
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I think there are too many logistics to figure out to make a draft like that work. How do you ensure that you don’t meet conference foes in early rounds? Etc.
It's probably too much, but it would be fun. You would have to have the NCAA moderating it, but the seeding rules are pretty straight forward so they could be managed. By Saturday, you know pretty much all the participants. Have each school send a representative to Indianapolis. Then do a selection show where you reveal the teams in S-Curve order. As you go, each rep is given the options of location. So for instance, the first seed picks their region and site. Obviously they go into the 1-seed slot in that region. Then the second overall, third, and so on. As sites close (so when both Des Moines locations are picked) that is blacked out as an option for the other top-16 seeds.
When it comes to teams from the same conference, you just black out options based on bracketing rules. So if Alabama is the 1-seed in the South, the South region is blacked out when Tennessee picks. Continue that all the way down the list. Sometimes, teams will only have one option or limited options based on bracketing rules, but it would be fun in a year when 10-seed Missouri says "we want to take on 7-seed Illinois in the Midwest" for those rivalry games.
That said, it will never happen. But boy would it be fun if it did.
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It's probably too much, but it would be fun. You would have to have the NCAA moderating it, but the seeding rules are pretty straight forward so they could be managed. By Saturday, you know pretty much all the participants. Have each school send a representative to Indianapolis. Then do a selection show where you reveal the teams in S-Curve order. As you go, each rep is given the options of location. So for instance, the first seed picks their region and site. Obviously they go into the 1-seed slot in that region. Then the second overall, third, and so on. As sites close (so when both Des Moines locations are picked) that is blacked out as an option for the other top-16 seeds.
When it comes to teams from the same conference, you just black out options based on bracketing rules. So if Alabama is the 1-seed in the South, the South region is blacked out when Tennessee picks. Continue that all the way down the list. Sometimes, teams will only have one option or limited options based on bracketing rules, but it would be fun in a year when 10-seed Missouri says "we want to take on 7-seed Illinois in the Midwest" for those rivalry games.
That said, it will never happen. But boy would it be fun if it did.
It’d be awesome. It also gets rid of inherent biases by the committee. Each year the committee consistently butchers seeding. A lot of people worry about the last team or two to make it or not make it in, when the real problem is always seeding.
A byproduct of this should ideally force teams to schedule tougher non-con schedules, as there is more of a benefit of being team 9 (3 seed) instead of team 16 (last 4 seed).
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It’d be awesome. It also gets rid of inherent biases by the committee. Each year the committee consistently butchers seeding. A lot of people worry about the last team or two to make it or not make it in, when the real problem is always seeding.
A byproduct of this should ideally force teams to schedule tougher non-con schedules, as there is more of a benefit of being team 9 (3 seed) instead of team 16 (last 4 seed).
I don’t see how that format would eliminate biases. The Committee would still be establishing the seed list. All that would be affected is teams having some choice about locations and possibly opponents.
I think coaches would rather not be in a position to make it look like they are choosing a particular opponent because they think they have a better chance to beat them than another team they could have chosen.
If you want to eliminate the Committee’s bias the solution would seem to be to just assign teams to the seed list based on their NET, or whatever predetermined formula the Committee develops. Then the controversy would be over the formula.
I disagree that the Committee butchers seeding. There can be some disagreements, but at some point teams and their fans have to stop the whining and go out and beat whoever they are assigned to play.
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Yeah, I gotta be honest - this really doesn’t interest me. I don’t mind the current unveil.
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I remember when the US voted to change just for change in 2016. That went well!
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And then again in 2020
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I’ll be rooting for Kansas over TCU tonight.
With all of the Big 12 love, we don’t need TCU moving deeper into the conversation for a higher seed by adding another Q1A win with a sweep over Kansas. That will just add more fuel to the argument that some of TCU’s losses should be discounted because of Miles’ injury.
From here on out I want to see Kansas, Texas, and Baylor winning whenever they place any of TCU, Iowa State, and Kansas State.
Kansas with a close win over TCU.
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A couple of beloved former Marquette greats can help the current team's cause tonight, as Buzz hosts Tennessee and Joey hosts Indiana.
Also would be nice to see Baylor go into K-State and win; and great if Texas, at home, can beat Iowa State.
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A couple of beloved former Marquette greats can help the current team's cause tonight, as Buzz hosts Tennessee and Joey hosts Indiana.
Also would be nice to see Baylor go into K-State and win; and great if Texas, at home, can beat Iowa State.
Feel so dirty cheering for TAMU and Texas
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Feel so dirty cheering for TAMU and Texas
I thought we were brothers
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WVU currently a last four bye NCAA team- they are 26 in the NET. They have three remaining conf games all against ranked teams with two on the road. They are currently 5-10 in conf. You wouldn’t think the losses would do much to their NET. Could a 5-13 regular season conf team make the NCAA?
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Update on the Alabama murder:
https://twitter.com/RobDauster/status/1628108089692913675?t=4K5ZmhCdoEpBRj1prxfcSg&s=19
(https://twitter.com/RobDauster/status/1628108089692913675?t=4K5ZmhCdoEpBRj1prxfcSg&s=19)
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Update on the Alabama murder:
https://twitter.com/RobDauster/status/1628108089692913675?t=4K5ZmhCdoEpBRj1prxfcSg&s=19
(https://twitter.com/RobDauster/status/1628108089692913675?t=4K5ZmhCdoEpBRj1prxfcSg&s=19)
So Alabama's star freshman and future lottery pick Brandon Miller supplied the eventual murder weapon upon request of the eventual murderer. I can understand why the local DA can't do anything about that...but I have some questions about why the University hasn't done anythin about it.
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So Alabama's star freshman and future lottery pick Brandon Miller supplied the eventual murder weapon upon request of the eventual murderer. I can understand why the local DA can't do anything about that...but I have some questions about why the University hasn't done anythin about it.
Nate Oates looks really bad in all of this.
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Nate Oates looks really bad in all of this.
His "wrong place wrong time" excuse was quite possibly one of the dumbest things I've ever heard.
Oates is a clown. Anything for a title though.
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His "wrong place wrong time" excuse was quite possibly one of the dumbest things I've ever heard.
Oates is a clown. Anything for a title though.
Wrong place wrong time? As in the place and time the murderer told him to be with a gun?
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His "wrong place wrong time" excuse was quite possibly one of the dumbest things I've ever heard.
Oates is a clown. Anything for a title though.
MU dodged a bullet...oh wait
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Wrong place wrong time? As in the place and time the murderer told him to be with a gun?
Yup, all while his car ended up with two bullet holes. Incredible stuff.
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His "wrong place wrong time" excuse was quite possibly one of the dumbest things I've ever heard.
Oates is a clown. Anything for a title though.
How has Miller not been charged with accessory to murder? he brought the damn gun, AND it was his car that blocked in the victim. What am I missing?
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Im willing to bet by tomorrow he will be suspended for the rest of the season, which imo is a slap on the wrist.
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His "wrong place wrong time" excuse was quite possibly one of the dumbest things I've ever heard.
Oates is a clown. Anything for a title though.
A close second was consulting Ray Lewis on how to navigate the situation
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Im willing to bet by tomorrow he will be suspended for the rest of the season, which imo is a slap on the wrist.
Maybe now that it is getting public attention, but Oates claims that he's known this for months
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Is this on the ESPN ticker? I don’t see it on their website. Any major outlets covering this?
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Is this on the ESPN ticker? I don’t see it on their website. Any major outlets covering this?
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10066408-police-alabamas-brandon-miller-brought-darius-miles-gun-used-in-january-shooting
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Maybe now that it is getting public attention, but Oates claims that he's known this for months
Technicality...it's "Oats." "Oates" is the hack reporter from Madison.
Im willing to bet by tomorrow he will be suspended for the rest of the season, which imo is a slap on the wrist.
My understanding is that Miller isn't charged with anything because he brought Miles' his own gun, which then Miles provided to the shooter. Yeah its a technicality that he is an accessory to an accessory, but apparently that's how it is viewed in Alabama - and perhaps elsewhere. IDK.
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Technicality...it's "Oats." "Oates" is the hack reporter from Madison.
My understanding is that Miller isn't charged with anything because he brought Miles' his own gun, which then Miles provided to the shooter. Yeah its a technicality that he is an accessory to an accessory, but apparently that's how it is viewed in Alabama - and perhaps elsewhere. IDK.
Just goes to show you that winning basketball games is more important than ethics. I saw that in a movie once, think it was called Coach Carter.
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Wrong place wrong time? As in the place and time the murderer told him to be with a gun?
Oh damn ;D ;D ;D
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Just goes to show you that winning basketball games is more important than ethics. I saw that in a movie once, think it was called Coach Carter.
Oh I agree that he should be suspended. I actually think Alabama should be suspending their entire season. But that's not happening.
And Miller will be in the NBA next year.
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“Wrong place, wrong time” is one of the all time big PR fails.
Especially at such a big athletic institution like Alabama where I’m sure they’re media trained weekly. How can you let that one pass?
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My Houston future looking even better now
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It's really weird. Is it possible he provided some information to police/prosecutors and is getting lenient treatment for it?
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It's really weird. Is it possible he provided some information to police/prosecutors and is getting lenient treatment for it?
He could have. But again, my understanding is that because he gave someone a gun, who then gave it to someone else to kill someone, that the accessory charge won't fly. The police said there was nothing they could charge him with.
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He could have. But again, my understanding is that because he gave someone a gun, who then gave it to someone else to kill someone, that the accessory charge won't fly. The police said there was nothing they could charge him with.
Bullet proof defense
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MU dodged a bullet...oh wait
Shame on you for making me laugh.
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He could have. But again, my understanding is that because he gave someone a gun, who then gave it to someone else to kill someone, that the accessory charge won't fly. The police said there was nothing they could charge him with.
I'm hoping we get another explanation as to why they couldn't charge him. Seems crazy to me a guy can send a text to Miller saying "I need my joint a n****r rl jus got fakin" and then Miller uses his car to deliver the murder weapon to the scene of the crime. I understand Miles didn't pull the trigger, but he's getting charged with murder, so why can't Miller be charged with accessory?
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This story is spreading like wild fire. There's not a chance he plays for Alabama again.
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This story is spreading like wild fire. There's not a chance he plays for Alabama again.
I'll bet he plays tomorrow night at South Carolina. Or maybe that's the right time to serve a 1 game suspension.
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I'll bet he plays tomorrow night at South Carolina. Or maybe that's the right time to serve a 1 game suspension.
I’m sure the chants of “murderer” and the fat heads of Guns in the stands will go over well for his mental stability
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“Wrong place, wrong time” is one of the all time big PR fails.
Especially at such a big athletic institution like Alabama where I’m sure they’re media trained weekly. How can you let that one pass?
It really puts it into perspective that we are all just one unlucky break from assisting in a murder.
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He could have. But again, my understanding is that because he gave someone a gun, who then gave it to someone else to kill someone, that the accessory charge won't fly. The police said there was nothing they could charge him with.
How in the world has the most punitive justice system in the world managed to not make accessory to accessory to murder a crime yet?
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Shame on you for making me laugh.
Wow, you laughed at that? Shame! And yeah, I did too, a bit too hard, maybe even out loud. ;D
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It really puts it into perspective that we are all just one unlucky break from assisting in a murder.
Thank god for the second amendment
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There is so much stupidity in the case, including Miles, the son of a police officer, thinking he should do this or would get away with it.
But the Miller stupidity goes even further. What are you doing with a gun on campus? Antioch, TN isn’t Brentwood but he didn’t grow up in Compton. The opps aren’t gunning for you in Tuscaloosa. And while Miles was stapled to the end of the bench, Miller is a top 5 pick, how is someone not mitigating some of his risk?
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Will students be afraid to attend college in Tuscaloosa?
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What an absolutely idiotic statement regarding Miller by Nate Oats. Despicable.
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What an absolutely idiotic statement regarding Miller by Nate Oats. Despicable.
Wow. Incredibly stupid is correct.
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Wow. Incredibly stupid is correct.
Wow, too. Just heard him. Can't someone at Alabama tell him to just say "I can't comment on this"? He looked and sounded awful. Now I think he has something to hide. I'd guess other do to.
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Thank god for the second amendment
Rules them all
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What an absolutely idiotic statement regarding Miller by Nate Oats. Despicable.
Link?
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Link?
https://twitter.com/barstoolsports/status/1628224316700590081?t=9HCJwMav4O2cOR7zmHPrkg&s=19
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Miller is the superstar, future NBA player. He has all the big Bama donors working to get him the best representation possible. The other guy was a guy glued to the bench, so he gets the public defender and takes all of the fall.
Some NBA team will take him early, but hey, if he fell to the Bucks in the 2nd round...wouldn't be mad.
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A close second was consulting Ray Lewis on how to navigate the situation
OJ might as well throw his hat in the ring too...still looking
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Tony Kornheiser on PTI just said that St. Johns and Georgetown are looking at Rick Pitino.
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Oh, da dude wit alotta nuts, hey?
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He is 70. Are you willing to take on the baggage for 5 years?
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He is 70. Are you willing to take on the baggage for 5 years?
You are questioning Georgetown complete lack of judgement?
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He is 70. Are you willing to take on the baggage for 5 years?
If you’re SJU, absolutely. I hate to admit it but he’s a match made in heaven with SJU.
He’s not young, but Larranga is older and had an E8 last year into another good year this year. Leonard Hamilton is 74. Boeheim needs to retire but he had multiple S16s after 70. And Pitino is a better coach than any of them, none of them won conference titles and made NCAAs at 5 different schools including FFs at 3. And he’s still got chops, he took over a good Iona team and made them even better. Iona has a better NET than Seton Hall despite playing in a TERRIBLE conference.
I don’t think he takes the GTown gig, but SJU he wouldn’t have to move.
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If you’re SJU, absolutely. I hate to admit it but he’s a match made in heaven with SJU.
He’s not young, but Larranga is older and had an E8 last year into another good year this year. Leonard Hamilton is 74. Boeheim needs to retire but he had multiple S16s after 70. And Pitino is a better coach than any of them, none of them won conference titles and made NCAAs at 5 different schools including FFs at 3. And he’s still got chops, he took over a good Iona team and made them even better. Iona has a better NET than Seton Hall despite playing in a TERRIBLE conference.
I don’t think he takes the GTown gig, but SJU he wouldn’t have to move.
Georgetown needs a builder, not a quick fixer.
St. John’s is the perfect spot
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Badgers have to resort to bribing students with free tickets so that they will show up to tonight's game
https://twitter.com/BadgerMBB/status/1628523674503462912
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Virginia down 7 at half against Boston College
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Badgers have to resort to bribing students with free tickets so that they will show up to tonight's game
https://twitter.com/BadgerMBB/status/1628523674503462912
Tough to compete with all the entertainment options in Madison. Maybe a prodution of My Fair Lady at Madison Community Treater is tonight?
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Badgers have to resort to bribing students with free tickets so that they will show up to tonight's game
https://twitter.com/BadgerMBB/status/1628523674503462912
Marketing 101, aina?
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Badgers have to resort to bribing students with free tickets so that they will show up to tonight's game
https://twitter.com/BadgerMBB/status/1628523674503462912
I was looking on StubHub and you can sit 7 rows behind the badger bench for $18.
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Like Kohl's clearance prices.
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I was looking on StubHub and you can sit 7 rows behind the badger bench for $18.
You’d probably do a better job of coaching them from there than Gard does on the sidelines.
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I mean, the storm is going to drive attendance down quite a bit. Free student tix is actually pretty smart. At least the students can walk to the game.
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Virginia down 12 to BC in second half - helpful ….
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Virginia looks terrible. Should have lost to ND at home also.
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Virginia looks terrible. Should have lost to ND at home also.
UVA far and away the most over-seeded team...they have no business being ahead of MU. I mean FFS they are 23 in Ken Pom entering tonight's game against BC and they were projected to win that game by 9 per KenPom
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UVA far and away the most over-seeded team...they have no business being ahead of MU. I mean FFS they are 23 in Ken Pom entering tonight's game against BC and they were projected to win that game by 9 per KenPom
Can't dissagree at all.
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Wow—15 point loss to BC. Love it
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Great loss by UVA today. Love that for MU. Since the Saturday reveal 4 teams ahead of MU and 2 teams close behind MU have lost to equal or inferior teams. Like that.
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Virginia looks terrible. Should have lost to ND at home also.
So, do people really think we're not a 3 seed with a chance a 2? Think again.
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Great loss by UVA today. Love that for MU. Since the Saturday reveal 4 teams ahead of MU and 2 teams close behind MU have lost to equal or inferior teams. Like that.
What an incredible week!
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So, do people really think we're not a 3 seed with a chance a 2? Think again.
Not much has gone wrong in the last 7 days for MU.
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Bagders have managed 4 shots and 5 turnovers so far. nlw must be proud.
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So from the bracket reveal we’ve probably passed Indiana, Iowa State, Virginia, Tennessee, mayyyyyybe Kansas State and made up ground on Baylor.
There’s a chance…
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So from the bracket reveal we’ve probably passed Indiana, Iowa State, Virginia, Tennessee, mayyyyyybe Kansas State and made up ground on Baylor.
There’s a chance…
Brew / TAMU would certainly know better but I’d say we are mid/back half of 3 seed right now. Gonna need loads of help to hit the 2
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Bagders have managed 4 shots and 5 turnovers so far. nlw must be proud.
Both teams look awful to me.
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Not much has gone wrong in the last 7 days for MU.
As expected. :)
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Wow—15 point loss to BC. Love it
Dropped UVA from 23 to 34 in KenPom..I don't see anyway they should be even on the 4 line, even if they win out.
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Brew / TAMU would certainly know better but I’d say we are mid/back half of 3 seed right now. Gonna need loads of help to hit the 2
Correct
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Dropped UVA from 23 to 34 in KenPom..I don't see anyway they should be even on the 4 line, even if they win out.
Never underestimate the power of the ESPN lobbyist.
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Never underestimate the power of the ESPN lobbyist.
Why would ESPN lobby for Virginia when they don’t have broadcast rights to the NCAA Tournament?
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In just a few days, the NCAA Selection Committee has become a joke. They don't know 🏀
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Why would ESPN lobby for Virginia when they don’t have broadcast rights to the NCAA Tournament?
Because they hate MU
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Why would ESPN lobby for Virginia when they don’t have broadcast rights to the NCAA Tournament?
Promote the product. They have the ACC (on the cheap). I'd do it if I were ESPN. Nothing wrong with it.
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Promote the product. They have the ACC (on the cheap). I'd do it if I were ESPN. Nothing wrong with it.
The committee isn’t seeding Virginia higher because of ESPN
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Badgers and Hawkeyes a combined 2-19 from 3 in the first half.
Clash of Titans.
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Badgers and Hawkeyes a combined 2-19 from 3 in the first half.
Clash of Titans.
When the Butler v DePaul game has more excitement
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In just a few days, the NCAA Selection Committee has become a joke. They don't know 🏀
Jim Boeheim? Is that you? Welcome to Scoop!
;D ;D
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In just a few days, the NCAA Selection Committee has become a joke. They don't know 🏀
Maybe not a joke, but definitely lazy.
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Because ESPN hates the Big East. Or Thomas Jefferson was anti-Catholic. I don't know. I get my Scoop conspiracy theories mixed up.
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Badgers and Hawkeyes a combined 2-19 from 3 in the first half.
Clash of Titans.
Not exactly good or aesthetically pleasing basketball.
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So from the bracket reveal we’ve probably passed Indiana, Iowa State, Virginia, Tennessee, mayyyyyybe Kansas State and made up ground on Baylor.
There’s a chance…
I don’t know. I think it’s tougher to jump teams at the top with only a few games.
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The committee isn’t seeding Virginia higher because of ESPN
I'm sure your right. It was meant to be a joke. Should have used teal.
But ESPN does have a dog in the fight.
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Carolina lit up Notre Dame with 19 pts in the 1H.
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Because ESPN hates the Big East. Or Thomas Jefferson was anti-Catholic. I don't know. I get my Scoop conspiracy theories mixed up.
It reminds me of Big Ten fans worried about espn bias in college football. The last thing espn wants is Penn State, Michigan or Ohio State in the playoffs when they annually draw the biggest ratings of the year
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It sounds like they put mics in the backboard in Madison. Really emphasizing the clangs of the balls punishing the rims.
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I'm sure your right. It was meant to be a joke. Should have used teal.
But ESPN does have a dog in the fight.
They do, but it ain’t Virginia basketball they’ll push if they’re really worried about steering the committee
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B1G Network at half: Tyler Wahl has a spring in his step.
#doubtful
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B1G Network at half: Tyler Wahl has a spring in his step.
#doubtful
That explains the 3 turnovers
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They do, but it ain’t Virginia basketball they’ll push if they’re really worried about steering the committee
"...and the 10 seed in the East is North Carolina."
;)
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B1G Network at half: Tyler Wahl has a spring in his step.
#doubtful
Wahl is a taller version of Davison without the nut punches.
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Alabama down four to a 10-17 South Carolina team just before half. What a disgrace that this team is playing games, and especially that Brandon Miller is on the floor.
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Wahl is a taller version of Davison without the nut punches.
Davison was a better player. Wahl is terrible for how much they run the offense through him. Still, Davison can eat a bag of
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Alabama down four to a 10-17 South Carolina team just before half. What a disgrace that this team is playing games, and especially that Brandon Miller is on the floor.
The fact that they were still giving 17.5 after their week was crazy to me.
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Iowa in their last 1.5 games is 4 for 35 from distance. That's not easy to do.
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The fact that they were still giving 17.5 after their week was crazy to me.
Wow, I wish I would’ve seen that pregame.
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Iowa in their last 1.5 games is 4 for 35 from distance. That's not easy to do.
When I think offense, I think Iowa, in all sports.
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So from the bracket reveal we’ve probably passed Indiana, Iowa State, Virginia, Tennessee, mayyyyyybe Kansas State and made up ground on Baylor.
There’s a chance…
Definitely haven’t passed Kansas State. They are 2-0 since the reveal with wins over ISU and Baylor.
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Definitely haven’t passed Kansas State. They are 2-0 since the reveal with wins over ISU and Baylor.
Its likely their OU loss wasn't included
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Iowa is an enigma to me. They have talent and allegedly a good coach. They literally look like they're point shaving tonight.
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Alright, which one of you arranged for the Alabamagame to be interrupted by an Arby’s commercial?
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So, do people really think we're not a 3 seed with a chance a 2? Think again.
I haven't seen a single poster who doesn't think we are currently a 3 seed. I think I've seen one poster who said he doesn't think we have a shot at a 2 seed.
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How many McCaffrey kids are there?
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How many McCaffrey kids are there?
In the world? I would imagine quite a few.
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How many McCaffrey kids are there?
2 that have played college basketball.
Gonna seem like more because one of them has been at Iowa for 6 damn years.
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Alabama down four to a 10-17 South Carolina team just before half. What a disgrace that this team is playing games, and especially that Brandon Miller is on the floor.
I’m sure they’ll come back, deadly shooters on that team.
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Kris Murray has been abysmal in this game.
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I’m sure they’ll come back, deadly shooters on that team.
https://twitter.com/statholesports/status/1628596614796578816?s=46&t=MPDtkIjRPG_qbWOvp06WiA
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Seth Greenberg must have the same PR team as Oats.
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This must be a record. Iowa is now 5 for 49 from three in their last two games? Crazy.
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Badgers have to resort to bribing students with free tickets so that they will show up to tonight's game
https://twitter.com/BadgerMBB/status/1628523674503462912
We cover part of our student section with tarp most games. We should offer up free student tickets. Or sell them for like $5.00 GA at the time of tip-off.
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You guys seeing this Brandon Miller Alabama game? Go ahead bucket with 29 seconds left in OT, his 39th! points. Feels eerie
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You guys seeing this Brandon Miller Alabama game? Go ahead bucket with 29 seconds left in OT, his 39th! points. Feels eerie
This should be an interesting press conference. I wonder if the reporters will actually discuss this mess with Oats?
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So car is a terrible team. Fought hard but a bad team.
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Mike is going to get absolutely abused at any non home game. They’re lucky they played an awful South Carolina team.
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We cover part of our student section with tarp most games. We should offer up free student tickets. Or sell them for like $5.00 GA at the time of tip-off.
Those are all sold. What do we do if all the students who paid for those tickets showed up?
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Those are all sold. What do we do if all the students who paid for those tickets showed up?
I have been at games when a tarp has been removed when necessary.
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I have been at games when a tarp has been removed when necessary.
Can't over sell the section, those tickets are sold. During Christmas break they do sell student section packages for obvious reasons.
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Watched a little of NW beating Illinois. They play an aggressive trapping defense and execute well. Collins doing a good job this year.
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Watched a little of NW beating Illinois. They play an aggressive trapping defense and execute well. Collins doing a good job this year.
Yes…i e seen NU play a few times this year and they are impressive. Big ten slow….but great defensive approach.
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Watched a little of NW beating Illinois. They play an aggressive trapping defense and execute well. Collins doing a good job this year.
This post didn't age well
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This post didn't age well
Yikes....what happened? I just saw they were up 16 in the 2H.
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Buddy in Cbus sent me a Twitter link of OSU missing 5 3P attempts in the final 25 seconds when down only 4, passing up multiple easy 2 chances. What a disaster of a year there. Thought what a fall from grace for Holtmann, but then looked and realized his entire tenure in Columbus has been underwhelming.
2018- top 10 team late in the year, losing 2 out of 4 down the stretch, upset by PSU early in the B10 tourney, drop to a 5 seed, lose second round to Zags.
2019- Enter conference play top 12, lose 12 of 18 down the stretch, still make the tourney as an 11, upset ISU (Their only win over a higher seed in the tourney under Holtmann), dispatched in the second by Houston
2020- No horrific late fade but a stacked roster with multiple future NBA players finishes 11-9 in conference, then COVID.
2021-Holtmann’s best year, top 5 mid Feb, half game back in the B10…lose 4 straight to end the year to finish 12-8, lose in OT in the B10 championship, still get a 2 seed….embarrassed by Oral Roberts in a first round exit.
2022-top 25 late in the year, lose 3 of 4 to end the year, upset by PSU again in the B10 tourney, win the 7/10 matchup as a 7 seed in the NCAA, then fall to Nova.
Now they are a disaster this year. I don’t think he’s a bad coach but I totally get why OSU fans are ready to move on
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Rutgers had an early 10 point lead but managed just 45 points for the game in a home loss to Michigan.
The Big 10 might get a lot of teams in the tournament, but it’s hard to see too many of them advancing to the second weekend from the 7-11 seeds they’ll be getting.
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This should be an interesting press conference. I wonder if the reporters will actually discuss this mess with Oats?
https://nypost.com/2023/02/23/alabamas-brandon-miller-taunted-with-lock-him-up-chants/
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Buddy in Cbus sent me a Twitter link of OSU missing 5 3P attempts in the final 25 seconds when down only 4, passing up multiple easy 2 chances. What a disaster of a year there. Thought what a fall from grace for Holtmann, but then looked and realized his entire tenure in Columbus has been underwhelming.
2018- top 10 team late in the year, losing 2 out of 4 down the stretch, upset by PSU early in the B10 tourney, drop to a 5 seed, lose second round to Zags.
2019- Enter conference play top 12, lose 12 of 18 down the stretch, still make the tourney as an 11, upset ISU (Their only win over a higher seed in the tourney under Holtmann), dispatched in the second by Houston
2020- No horrific late fade but a stacked roster with multiple future NBA players finishes 11-9 in conference, then COVID.
2021-Holtmann’s best year, top 5 mid Feb, half game back in the B10…lose 4 straight to end the year to finish 12-8, lose in OT in the B10 championship, still get a 2 seed….embarrassed by Oral Roberts in a first round exit.
2022-top 25 late in the year, lose 3 of 4 to end the year, upset by PSU again in the B10 tourney, win the 7/10 matchup as a 7 seed in the NCAA, then fall to Nova.
Now they are a disaster this year. I don’t think he’s a bad coach but I totally get why OSU fans are ready to move on
I happened to catch that live while channel-surfing. It was hectic to say the least - with every miss there was a tap out to a player beyond the arc, or a long rebound directly beyond the arc and and on the last one the guy got it and jumped backwards like James Harden. Ridiculous
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Nice to watch Gameday and your team is mentioned during the segment “tell me teams that can not just make the Final Four but win the tourney”
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MSU and Iowa on a pace to both score 40 in a half. I thought that was prohibited in the B1G.
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Dear, sweet Lord. Wojo is sitting next to Crean on the ESPN set. Gah!
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Dear, sweet Lord. Wojo is sitting next to Crean on the ESPN set. Gah!
Meanwhile we got our guy coaching us tonight!!
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Watching 'Marquette #10' scroll behind and between them while they talked made me laugh out loud and rewind it to watch it again.
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Watching 'Marquette #10' scroll behind and between them while they talked made me laugh out loud and rewind it to watch it again.
Future Shaka assistants?
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Watching 'Marquette #10' scroll behind and between them while they talked made me laugh out loud and rewind it to watch it again.
Still surreal to me seeing MU at the top of the standings with a #10 by our name. Hard to wipe a grin off my face after seeing standings pop up
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Announcers talking about the pace of play in the MSU/Iowa game, 49-47 with 17 minutes to play.
"There are a lot of Big 10 games where this is the score after 40 minutes."
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Still surreal to me seeing MU at the top of the standings with a #10 by our name. Hard to wipe a grin off my face after seeing standings pop up
No need to wipe that grin off. Wear it proudly and milk the moment for all it is worth.
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Dear, sweet Lord. Wojo is sitting next to Crean on the ESPN set. Gah!
Joey is having a good game. Wojo may be forced to say something nice about him.
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Sparty 11-13 from 3 through 36 minutes.
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So much for Iowa St. being on a higher seed line than MU.
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So much for Iowa St. being on a higher seed line than MU.
That was a joke.
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TCU-Texas Tech coming down to the last 10 seconds on ESPNU with TT up by 1.
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I know it's the complete resume but I'm happy with the fact that we beat Baylor by 1000 pts. :)
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TCU-Texas Tech coming down to the last 10 seconds on ESPNU with TT up by 1.
Tech is a really tough team. Lubbock is a difficult place to win
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Tech is a really tough team. Lubbock is a difficult place to win
They’re 4-5 at home against power 6 conference teams. One of the wins is Georgetown.
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They’re 4-5 at home against power 6 conference teams. One of the wins is Georgetown.
They’re at full strength now. They’ve been playing great ball
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Sparty hanging 100 on the road and needing all of them.
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They’re 4-5 at home against power 6 conference teams. One of the wins is Georgetown.
Went undefeated at home last year. 11-4 the year before. 17-1 the year before covid
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Went undefeated at home last year. 11-4 the year before. 17-1 the year before covid
Very cool. They also have a completely different roster this year and are 5-11 in their conference.
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Izzo didn't foul up 3. Holy crap a doodle do.
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Crazy finish to MSU-Iowa. Going to OT after Iowa hit 5 3’s in the last 40 seconds.
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Iowa rallies from 13 down with 90 seconds left to tie Michigan st at 101 going to overtime
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Crazy finish to MSU-Iowa. Going to OT after Iowa hit 5 3’s in the last 40 seconds.
Defense optional game…
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Very cool. They also have a completely different roster this year and are 5-11 in their conference.
Tough place to play. As evidenced by the last several years dominance and this season playing everyone except for wva tough.
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A Hauser is on the court. Of course nobody is playing defense.
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A Hauser is on the court. Of course nobody is playing defense.
Nothing like watching a titanic battle of two middle of the road teams in an average at best conference.
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Nothing like watching a titanic battle of two middle of the road teams in an average at best conference.
Two garbage teams.
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MSU was up by 10 with 40 sec to go. Iowa wins by 6 in OT. 😎
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MSU made 5-6 free throws. Iowa made 5 threes in 40 seconds. Wild.
MU-Davidson.
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MSU was up by 10 with 40 sec to go. Iowa wins by 6 in OT. 😎
Interesting that Iowa in their last two road games was something like 5-50 from distance.
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Looks like Hall of Fame coach Tom Izzo had a rough afternoon
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Two garbage teams.
Agreed but you know the Big 10 media fanboys will cite this as proof about how the conference is so tough. 🙄
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Iowa’s first 3 game win streak against MSU since the early 90s. Joey helping Izzo achieve a lot of negative “first time since.”
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Iowa’s first 3 game win streak against MSU since the early 90s. Joey helping Izzo achieve a lot of negative “first time since.”
Wonder if Joey will stand up to coach Izzo like a leader and demand more defensive intensity
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Iowa closed -5.5.
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Looks like Hall of Fame coach Tom Izzo had a rough afternoon
True dat.
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He misses having Duane Stephens next to him.
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You can’t say that on the Dodds board or you’ll be banned.
Nothing like watching a titanic battle of two middle of the road teams in an average at best conference.
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I am so hoping Wojo has to add some commentary to the game highlights that feature any of Joey’s shots.
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... you can't give shooters that much space.... over helping on penetration.....
I would have fouled up 3 but Izzo is a hall of fame coach...
Some grist for the mill.
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... you can't give shooters that much space.... over helping on penetration.....
I would have fouled up 3 but Izzo is a hall of fame coach...
Some grist for the mill.
The bigger question is would you foul up 2? 🧐
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Arkansas will be a really scary team to face in the tournament
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The bigger question is would you foul up 2? 🧐
Or if you are the coach at the end of the game and do not know that your team has the lead, do you tell one of your players to foul? ;D
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Arkansas will be a really scary team to face in the tournament
Having Nick Smith healthy helps a lot. Scoop sinners that gamble might take a flyer on them
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Exactly. Grist for the mill.
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Having Nick Smith healthy helps a lot. Scoop sinners that gamble might take a flyer on them
Smith o 11/11.5 points today will play my four kids college tuition. Easiest money of the year so far.
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Dear, sweet Lord. Wojo is sitting next to Crean on the ESPN set. Gah!
Please dude, I know ur retired, but I'm tryin' ta eat lunch, hey?
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Lucky for Iowa Discoll was not reffing this game
https://twitter.com/TheFieldOf68/status/1629561863947075584
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Can someone tell me who we play or direct me to the thread where i can see next seasons confirmed opponents?
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Lucky for Iowa Discoll was not reffing this game
https://twitter.com/TheFieldOf68/status/1629561863947075584
Tony Chiazza, Driscoll's partner in crime.
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Can someone tell me who we play or direct me to the thread where i can see next seasons confirmed opponents?
10 Big East teams x2
Notre Dame (Home)
Wisconsin (Road)
Maui Invitational (3 of Gonzaga, Kansas, Purdue, Syracuse, Tennessee, UCLA, Chaminade)
1 Gavitt Game (Likely)
1 Big East/Big 12 Battle Game
Up to 4 buy games (TBA)
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10 Big East teams x2
Notre Dame (Home)
Wisconsin (Road)
Maui Invitational (3 of Gonzaga, Kansas, Purdue, Syracuse, Tennessee, UCLA, Chaminade)
1 Gavitt Game (Likely)
1 Big East/Big 12 Battle Game
Up to 4 buy games (TBA)
W (20)
W
W
W(3)
W
W
W
W
W
W
:)
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Omg ASU… that’s why you miss the free throw there.
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Holy crap Arizona st with a half court shot for the win
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Holy crap AZ St, what a great game beginning to end
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Holy crap Arizona st with a half court shot for the win
Damn!
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Holy crap - ASU with a beyond half court shot to beat Arizona. All net too.
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Nm
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Arizona loss is absolute massive for our chances at a 2 seed
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Arizona loss is absolute massive for our chances at a 2 seed
It definitely helps!
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Could we get as high a #7 with a win today?
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We could get to 6. Virginia it’s going to lose again at UNC.
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Could we get as high a #7 with a win today?
6-9 have all lost this week. Virginia doesn’t belong anywhere near the top 10 regardless of what happens with their game today.
6. Virginia
7. Arizona
8. Texas
9. Baylor
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We could get to 6. Virginia it’s going to lose again at UNC.
I was thinking we would pass Virginia regardless of their game today
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How would scoop handle losing like sparty today? Peeing down the leg diatribe? Fire Shaka?
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Omg ASU… that’s why you miss the free throw there.
Yup.
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I'm glad Kam defended Creighton's desperation heave. Arizona State showing why you don't let an opponent shoot an uncontested shot from beyond halfcourt.
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Why is Kansas playing in their underwear?
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Crean sucks
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just like bell bottoms, the shorty shorts are coming back
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Omg ASU… that’s why you miss the free throw there.
I didn’t see the end, but seeing the summary I have to agree.
With a 2 point lead I think you have to try to make the shot so a desperation heave, while it might be easier to get off, just ties it. But with a 1 point lead there’s nothing to be gained from it.
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I'm glad Kam defended Creighton's desperation heave. Arizona State showing why you don't let an opponent shoot an uncontested shot from beyond halfcourt.
that was NUTS!! go bobby!!
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Wojo's comments regarding UNC playing Virginia in a little while was must see TV and riveting insight. I assume it will be trending somewhere.
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Why is Kansas playing in their underwear?
WTF are they wearing? Is it 1950?
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1923 Phog Allen national championship team per announcers.
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1923 Phog Allen national championship team per announcers.
Bizzare
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FSU was down 54-31 at half and now are within 4 at Miami with 7 minutes left
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Mississippi State with a good win at home over Texas A&M
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FSU was down 54-31 at half and now are within 4 at Miami with 7 minutes left
FSU wins with a 40 foot buzzer beater seconds after Miami went ahead with a 3.
FSU was 8-20.
A lesson not to take anyone for granted or to take your foot off the gas.
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Hope MU isn’t a part of all this craziness today.
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FSU wins with a 40 foot buzzer beater seconds after Miami went ahead with a 3.
FSU was 8-20.
A lesson not to take anyone for granted or to take your foot off the gas.
Been some wild games today
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Hope MU isn’t a part of all this craziness today.
Insane. Two buzzer wins for road teams against elite opponents. Fun, but that's enough of that for today.
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Insane. Two buzzer wins for road teams against elite opponents. Fun, but that's enough of that for today.
Yes. Time for a good ol, wire-to-wire, step-on-their-necks beat down.
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FSU wins with a 40 foot buzzer beater seconds after Miami went ahead with a 3.
FSU was 8-20.
A lesson not to take anyone for granted or to take your foot off the gas.
Wow.
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Yes. Time for a good ol, wire-to-wire, step-on-their-necks beat down.
Exactly.
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Virginia isn’t very good.
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Virginia isn’t very good.
Would not mind them in our bracket at all.
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Exactly.
Don't count on it, team probably looking ahead to BET. Very much trap game.
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Don't count on it, team probably looking ahead to BET. Very much trap game.
I don’t think Shaka will have trouble getting them pumped to clinch the Big East title in front of a home crowd.
Hell, if I were him I’d just have had the final scores of the last seven games of the 2018-19 team hanging on banners in the All.
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Showing the highlights of the Iowa vs. MSU game before the MU game on FS1. Joey was sticking to his man like glue that last possession of regulation, even if it meant giving up a wide open 3 point attempt to send the game to overtime.
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Indiana sweeps Purdue. They are pretty good. If Xavier Johnson is ready for the tourney, they are going to be a tough out.
;D
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Indiana sweeps Purdue. They are pretty good. If Xavier Johnson is ready for the tourney, they are going to be a tough out.
;D
Purdue has also stunk for the past month. Not sure of this Indiana infatuation when they just lost to Michigan State and Northwestern in the span of a week.
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Nobody was going to beat Sparty in their gym that night.
My wife loves IU like I love MU. And sometimes, it is just fun to post stuff.
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Showing the highlights of the Iowa vs. MSU game before the MU game on FS1. Joey was sticking to his man like glue that last possession of regulation, even if it meant giving up a wide open 3 point attempt to send the game to overtime.
Gave up 3, 2 in last 2 possessions in regulation and one in OT
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Purdue has also stunk for the past month. Not sure of this Indiana infatuation when they just lost to Michigan State and Northwestern in the span of a week.
Purdue is sinking fast.
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I assume we want SMC?
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Purdue is sinking fast.
Just hope they beat Bucky this week, but Purdue hasn’t been that impressive. They have young guards who will probably choke when it matters most.
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Yes. Time for a good ol, wire-to-wire, step-on-their-necks beat down.
Maybe we’ll have feeling another day.
Take the win but not exactly the festive conclusion we hoped for.
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Maybe we’ll have feeling another day.
Take the win but not exactly the festive conclusion we hoped for.
Not good for seeding
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Even a blowout win tonight was never going to move the needle for seeding. Totally fine result.
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Even a blowout win tonight was never going to move the needle for seeding. Totally fine result.
Yes but wouldn't have moved down....
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Lucky for Iowa Discoll was not reffing this game
https://twitter.com/TheFieldOf68/status/1629561863947075584
Fran is a clown.
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Fran is a clown.
If Fran was my team’s coach, I would give up college basketball.
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Fran is a clown.
His stare down was so lame. He doesn’t have the credentials or personality to intimidate any ref at this level.
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Fran is a clown.
100%. His antics are tired.
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100%. His antics are tired.
You can pretty much count on at least one Fran clown blowup per game. One of these days, he’s gonna either have a heart attack mid-game or his head will spontaneously explode.
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You can pretty much count on at least one Fran clown blowup per game. One of these days, he’s gonna either have a heart attack mid-game or his head will spontaneously explode.
The term for that is frantrum and from afar it’s very entertaining but would not our coach acting like a 2 year old like that night in and night out.
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Michigan looks abysmal. Dickinson doesn’t seem too bright to me.
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Michigan looks abysmal. Dickinson doesn’t seem too bright to me.
Two crap teams battling it out. The Big 10 is lousy outside of the state of Indiana.
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Two crap teams battling it out. The Big 10 is lousy outside of the state of Indiana.
Dickinson is an inordinately low iq player.
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He also just hit a prayer 3 to send UM to overtime with Wisky.
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I’ve seen an minimum 5 buzzer beaters in the last two days that have a less than 1% chance of going in
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I so love hot scoop takes.
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Gard might have just lost his job there
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I so love hot scoop takes.
Speaking of hot takes, Badger media asking Gard about not fouling ought to be 🔥
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Gard might have just lost his job there
He’s not losing his job.
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He’s not losing his job.
Any badger fan calling for it is just on planet delusional. Such an ungrateful fan base.
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UCLA down 10 at Colorado early on. If they could somehow lose that would be monstrous for our two seed chances
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And how did Marquette lose to Wisconsin? Ugh.
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Hepburn went nuts.
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He’s not losing his job.
Exactly. And neither is Wojo.
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Hepburn went nuts.
Hepburn suffered a noncontact leg injury today. I suspect that's it for his season.
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Exactly. And neither is Wojo.
Wojo didn’t win the Big East the year before he was fired. And two years before that as well.
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Wojo didn’t win the Big East the year before he was fired. And two years before that as well.
Wisconsin has to fix the hockey program first
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Speaking of hot takes, Badger media asking Gard about not fouling ought to be 🔥
I’m not someone who screams “they should have fouled” every time a team drains a tying 3 in the last 7 seconds. But, that was as bad as or worse than What happened in the MU-Creighton game last year.
When a team is inbounding in the front court with just a couple of seconds left, I would be telling my players to foul the intended recipient of the inbound pass before he receives the ball and has a chance and get into a shooting motion.
In that game today, they were throwing in from near the corner, which makes it even harder to get someone open for a pass because you only have 90 degrees to work with.
Instead of going for the ball, all Davis had to do was jump into Sidckinson with his hands up to keep him from making the catch. Put him at the free throw line with 2 seconds left and a 3 point lead instead of giving him a chance at the 3.
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BTW, why am I not surprised that Potrykus, who whined when Wahl missed a couple of games with an injury, and brought up twice in his game story that Hepburn left today’s game with an injury, didn’t mention that Michigan played today without leading scorer Jett Howard.
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I’m not someone who screams “they should have fouled” every time a team drains a tying 3 in the last 7 seconds. But, that was as bad as or worse than What happened in the MU-Creighton game last year.
When a team is inbounding in the front court with just a couple of seconds left, I would be telling my players to foul the intended recipient of the inbound pass before he receives the ball and has a chance and get into a shooting motion.
In that game today, they were throwing in from near the corner, which makes it even harder to get someone open for a pass because you only have 90 degrees to work with.
Instead of going for the ball, all Davis had to do was jump into Sidckinson with his hands up to keep him from making the catch. Put him at the free throw line with 2 seconds left and a 3 point lead instead of giving him a chance at the 3.
They’re not a good team. They can get away playing the way they do when they identify underrated guys and develop them but they’re missing a lot at the moment in recruiting
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Colorado does not have the offense to score on UCLA.
Defending the hell out of them though.
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Hepburn suffered a noncontact leg injury today. I suspect that's it for his season.
If that’s the case, I wouldn’t be surprised if that was his last game in a Bucky uniform, and he transfers to Creighton or Nebraska.
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If that’s the case, I wouldn’t be surprised if that was his last game in a Bucky uniform, and he transfers to Creighton or Nebraska.
I think there’s going to be a lot of turnover on that roster. Lot of dis-garding
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I think there’s going to be a lot of turnover on that roster. Lot of dis-garding
But who would want their players or better yet would want to transfer there? Can’t imagine there’s a huge market out there for someone like Crowl. 👀
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BTW, why am I not surprised that Potrykus, who whined when Wahl missed a couple of games with an injury, and brought up twice in his game story that Hepburn left today’s game with an injury, didn’t mention that Michigan played today without leading scorer Jett Howard.
Congrats on the win Blue.
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Northwestern stinks
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But who would want their players or better yet would want to transfer there? Can’t imagine there’s a huge market out there for someone like Crowl. 👀
They’ve supposedly got Andrew Rohde from St. Thomas as a silent verbal
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He’s not losing his job.
The thing is, none of us know one way or the other.
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He’s not losing his job.
Ummm….I don’t know Jim.
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Ummm….I don’t know Jim.
Luke fickell has a lot of badger fans questioning the status quo (rightfully so). I’m not sitting comfortably if I’m gard.
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Gard's "Chryst Clock" may start ticking after this season, but it won't hit midnight until at least after next season. Probably even longer.
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Gard's "Chryst Clock" may start ticking after this season, but it won't hit midnight until at least after next season. Probably even longer.
I think they should get Gard signed to an extension as quickly as possible to ward off any interest from other schools. 👀
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He just signed an extension the last off-season though 2027. He has a $12 million buy out for the next three seasons. Unless someone steps up to cover that, like they did in football, it just isn't happening. It doesn't even drop to $8 million until 2025.
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They’ve supposedly got Andrew Rohde from St. Thomas as a silent verbal
I bet they beat out Western Michigan and UIC for him
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Hepburn suffered a noncontact leg injury today. I suspect that's it for his season.
I think they are NIT bound whether he plays or not.
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They’ve supposedly got Andrew Rohde from St. Thomas as a silent verbal
Continuing to accumulate mid-major talent.
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I think they are NIT bound whether he plays or not.
Was in Goolsby's last night and the UWM team and fans were in there after their win versus Cleveland State. In a good spot to win the Horizon tournament. Hell of a job by Lundy in Year 1. Wouldn't it be great if the Panthers made it while the Badgers don't?
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Was in Goolsby's last night and the UWM team and fans were in there after their win versus Cleveland State. In a good spot to win the Horizon tournament. Hell of a job by Lundy in Year 1. Wouldn't it be great if the Panthers made it while the Badgers don't?
It would be fantastic Dr. B!!!
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I think they are NIT bound whether he plays or not.
I keep thinking this, but everyone else right along the cut line continues to lose.
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I keep thinking this, but everyone else right along the cut line continues to lose.
I don't pay attention to the last 8 or so teams that are competing for the last 4 spots. However, having watched Wisky I would say they are aesthetically unpleasing and should be axed in a 50/50 committee decision.
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https://twitter.com/goodmanhoops/status/1629644884842893312?s=46&t=YxjHJ9rnOj9VmtOMhY9_CA
Unbiased national basketball journalist weighs in on best home court advantages in the country.
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https://twitter.com/goodmanhoops/status/1629644884842893312?s=46&t=YxjHJ9rnOj9VmtOMhY9_CA
Unbiased national basketball journalist weighs in on best home court advantages in the country.
Then Texas Tech must really be not that tough of a team to beat this year if they’re getting 5 points a game at home and are still 4-5 against power 5 teams at home, with one of the wins being Georgetown.
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Is there a consensus of what the Badgers need to do to get into the tourney? Seems like if they win against Minnesota and Purdue, most seem to think they'll be in. Since the Purdue victory seems unlikely, do they get in if they win a couple games in the B10 tourney?
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Is there a consensus of what the Badgers need to do to get into the tourney? Seems like if they win against Minnesota and Purdue, most seem to think they'll be in. Since the Purdue victory seems unlikely, do they get in if they win a couple games in the B10 tourney?
Looks Vs like they could play MN in first game if b10 tourney.
2-2 w wins v mn x2, loss to Purdue & someone else… ehh, pretty ugly. They just be huge MU fans right now
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Is there a consensus of what the Badgers need to do to get into the tourney? Seems like if they win against Minnesota and Purdue, most seem to think they'll be in. Since the Purdue victory seems unlikely, do they get in if they win a couple games in the B10 tourney?
2-0 is an NCAA lock, 1-1 is a coin flip, 0-2 and they are out. The selection committee almost completely discounts conference tournament results (see Texas A&M 2022).
Some conference tourney Cinderellas could steal some bids.
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I believe 2-0 is a lock as well. If Indiana beats Purdue at home and literally jumps 3 seed lines, then Wisconsin winning vs the same will get them a lock probably a 10 seed.
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https://twitter.com/Pitt_MBB/status/1629920554445594625
This is what makes college basketball great.
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Wardle has Bradley in a spot to win Arch Madness by winning the the regular season MVC, and thus keeping Shaka's seat warm. Willie knows how to call them.
https://www.pjstar.com/story/sports/college/basketball/bradley-hoops/2023/02/27/3-reasons-to-be-excited-after-bradley-basketballs-big-win/69941157007/
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I don't pay attention to the last 8 or so teams that are competing for the last 4 spots. However, having watched Wisky I would say they are aesthetically unpleasing and should be axed in a 50/50 committee decision.
Is aesthetics a criteria for the committee??
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https://twitter.com/Pitt_MBB/status/1629920554445594625
This is what makes college basketball great.
The Fish That Saved Pittsburg!
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Is aesthetics a criteria for the committee??
It’s not one of the stated criteria, but for all of the data that is fed to the committee members, decisions on selection and seeding come down to votes of committee members. So, we can never know for sure what specific things might cause committee members to pick Team A ahead of Team B.
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It’s not one of the stated criteria, but for all of the data that is fed to the committee members, decisions on selection and seeding come down to votes of committee members. So, we can never know for sure what specific things might cause committee members to pick Team A ahead of Team B.
Im certain they will consider Muggsy’s distain for how Wisconsin looks playing bball.
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Then Texas Tech must really be not that tough of a team to beat this year if they’re getting 5 points a game at home and are still 4-5 against power 5 teams at home, with one of the wins being Georgetown.
It’s simply an interesting anecdote shared a national college basketball analyst who travels the country personally visiting multiple venues all while talking to coaches, players and other reporters close to the game. Nothing more than that.
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ISU gonna go from a 3 seed in the top 16 reveal.
to like a 9 seed.
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ISU gonna go from a 3 seed in the top 16 reveal.
to like a 9 seed.
Been there.
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ISU gonna go from a 3 seed in the top 16 reveal.
to like a 9 seed.
Huggy won that game tonight benching Stevenson for most of the last 8 mins.
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ISU gonna go from a 3 seed in the top 16 reveal.
to like a 9 seed.
(https://64.media.tumblr.com/da82ac846c0d1ea310b1349469522b74/tumblr_ns3htkKNOJ1r4vhzno2_400.gif)
That said, could do us a major solid by pulling off the upset @Baylor
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Antoine Davis 63 points away from Maravich's record. Wow.
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Antoine Davis 63 points away from Maravich's record. Wow.
With a MASSIVE asterisk*********
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ISU gonna go from a 3 seed in the top 16 reveal.
to like a 9 seed.
2018 Oklahoma went from a 4 at the reveal to a 10, Iowa State sure seems to be using that as inspiration.
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2018 Oklahoma went from a 4 at the reveal to a 10, Iowa State sure seems to be using that as inspiration.
Maybe someone on iowa St should write a letter?
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Maybe someone on iowa St should write a letter?
Hope they have someone that is a strong enough leader to do so. It’s obvious something is wrong
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Hope they have someone that is a strong enough leader to do so. It’s obvious something is wrong
February Fade Travels
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February Fade Travels
To be fair, Ames isn’t that far from Milwaukee.
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To be fair, Ames isn’t that far from Milwaukee.
I’m just glad that’s what transfered from Milwaukee this time
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I’m just glad that’s what transfered from Milwaukee this time
Winner
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With a MASSIVE asterisk*********
Yea I can’t understand why none of these stories is mentioning him playing a complete extra season. Maravich did it in 83 games. Davis will play 144…regular season games.
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Indiana playing like they’re still hung over from celebrating their Purdue win.
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Indiana playing like they’re still hung over from celebrating their Purdue win.
I cannot figure out Iowa at all. They have a lot of talent but have had games where they literally can't make a shot, while at other times can go off like tonight.
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Or can stink for 38 minutes and make it rain for two.
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I'm gonna watch a bit of SDSU/Boise St. Has anyone seen these teams much?
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I'm gonna watch a bit of SDSU/Boise St. Has anyone seen these teams much?
SDSU is one of the better defensive teams around. And Boise State is better defensively by the metrics. Should be a rock fight
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SDSU is one of the better defensive teams around. And Boise State is better defensively by the metrics. Should be a rock fight
Most project SDSU as a #6 so we could see them if we wind up a #3.
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Most protect SDSU as a #6 so we could see them if we wind up a #3.
Possible. I think they can get to a 5. Brew knows better but I think things between 5-8 are pretty fluid, more so than the top 3 lines
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Yea I can’t understand why none of these stories is mentioning him playing a complete extra season. Maravich did it in 83 games. Davis will play 144…regular season games.
Maravich averaged almost 20 points more per game. If he played as many games the scoring record would be over 6,000 points not 3,600.
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Maravich averaged almost 20 points more per game. If he played as many games the scoring record would be over 6,000 points not 3,600.
Wow.
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Maravich averaged almost 20 points more per game. If he played as many games the scoring record would be over 6,000 points not 3,600.
And how much more if they had 3 point shots.
Pistol Pete was one of a kind. I’ll never forget the first time I saw him on TV. LSU was no match for Kentucky, but he scored something like 62 points.
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Ziegler of Tennessee went down early with what looked like might be a serious injury. That would be a tough blow for them.
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Ziegler of Tennessee went down early with what looked like might be a serious injury. That would be a tough blow for them.
Ouch.
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And how much more if they had 3 point shots.
Pistol Pete was one of a kind. I’ll never forget the first time I saw him on TV. LSU was no match for Kentucky, but he scored something like 62 points.
He was amazing, averaged 44.2 per game his final year (1970). MU played LSU and Pistol in the NIT semis that year. We crushed them 101-79 and held Pete to his second lowest total of the year (20). 12 of those came at the free throw line.
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IU not the monster yet…..but its still February
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Great comeback by Boise St.
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https://twitter.com/MattNorlander/status/1631052631194959877
ISU is crumbling
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https://twitter.com/MattNorlander/status/1631052631194959877
ISU is crumbling
Looks like they couldn’t handle the pressure of being a 3 seed in the first reveal.
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Definitely a 6 seed I wouldn't mind facing in the R32.
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Grill hangin w Nick Noskowiak??
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https://twitter.com/MattNorlander/status/1631052631194959877
ISU is crumbling
Just some outstanding replies in that thread
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If I’m Marquette I want to be placed in Alabama’s regional. They look incredibly vulnerable.
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Just some outstanding replies in that thread
Whoa.
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If I’m Marquette I want to be placed in Alabama’s regional. They look incredibly vulnerable.
Totally agree. Been betting against the (spread) since the Miller debacle and it hasn’t failed yet. Looking forward to more post game squirming after a game where 2 players got ejected for leaving the bench to escalate a fight
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Just some outstanding replies in that thread
Ehh, they are basically low effort versions of the same joke. One or two were clever, like the Dr Phil one.
Grill hangin w Nick Noskowiak??
Talk about a blast from the past. Dude fell off the map in a HURRY. Not many top 100 recruits never play a single minute of D-1 ball, save for catastrophic injury. Hope he got himself sorted out
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Northwestern stinks
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I would be absolutely shocked if Alabama made it out of the first weekend. They have won their last three against sub par competition by the skin of their teeth. Most likely a 1 seed but the sec is weak and wouldn’t doubt a 8/9 from a power conference knocks them out
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Never noticed how weak the big ten was this year. When 2nd place in conference isn’t in the field that’s not a good look.
Maybe Purdue is a big overrated because of non conference. If they lose today to Wisconsin they could drop of the 1 line. Every team outside of them has double digit losses and not in a good way like the big 12
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Never noticed how weak the big ten was this year. When 2nd place in conference isn’t in the field that’s not a good look.
Maybe Purdue is a big overrated because of non conference. If they lose today to Wisconsin they could drop of the 1 line. Every team outside of them has double digit losses and not in a good way like the big 12
Big 10 is garbage but they have some of the best PR media hacks around.
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Never noticed how weak the big ten was this year. When 2nd place in conference isn’t in the field that’s not a good look.
Maybe Purdue is a big overrated because of non conference. If they lose today to Wisconsin they could drop of the 1 line. Every team outside of them has double digit losses and not in a good way like the big 12
Huh? 2nd place isn't in the field? THe B14 is mediocre but they'll probably get 9 teans in.
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Huh? 2nd place isn't in the field? THe B14 is mediocre but they'll probably get 9 teans in.
Michigan is currently 2nd place but their non-conference season was so bad that they are currently outside the field.
Still can play their way in but as of today they would be out.
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If I’m Marquette I want to be placed in Alabama’s regional. They look incredibly vulnerable.
Houston may be the exception, I honestly haven't seen them play more than a few games, but to me none of the probable 1 seeds look dominant. The parity between the top 20 teams so appears quite small to me.
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Big 10 is garbage but they have some of the best PR media hacks around.
Which will have nothing to do with why they get a ton of teams in the field. They have six teams in that 6-9 range on Bracket Matrix because the conference overall performed well in non-conference, but a bunch of these teams are mediocre. So sure they may get nine in the tournament, but how many will survive that first weekend?
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Michigan is currently 2nd place but their non-conference season was so bad that they are currently outside the field.
Still can play their way in but as of today they would be out.
Oh....my bad. I hadn't paid attention to the standings in that league. That is weird.
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Which will have nothing to do with why they get a ton of teams in the field. They have six teams in that 6-9 range on Bracket Matrix because the conference overall performed well in non-conference, but a bunch of these teams are mediocre. So sure they may get nine in the tournament, but how many will survive that first weekend?
The Big Ten has one title contender in Purdue. Top-20 offense and defense puts them in the conversation. Do I see it when I watch them play? No, but I wouldn’t have picked Kansas to win it last year at this time either.
The league still has 10-teams top 50 in KenPom. The problem with most of the teams is, they’re either really good offensively or defensively. The league lacks a lot of balanced teams. The 2nd best team is probably Sparty but they play low-IQ basketball and the coach is stubborn with matchups.
An argument can be made for Indiana but they have some pretty wild swings. Can they get hot for 3 weeks? I think they can with the roster they have.
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Nm
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Oh....my bad. I hadn't paid attention to the standings in that league. That is weird.
It's easy to lose track of the B1G standings. One game separates 2nd and 9th place.
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If I’m Marquette I want to be placed in Alabama’s regional. They look incredibly vulnerable.
I dunno, heard they had some deadly shooters and guys just happy to assist.
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I dunno, heard they had some deadly shooters and guys just happy to assist.
Too soon?
Nah, that made me chuckle, pbi!
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Talk about a blast from the past. Dude fell off the map in a HURRY. Not many top 100 recruits never play a single minute of D-1 ball, save for catastrophic injury. Hope he got himself sorted out
looks like he's coaching soccer in Eau Claire
https://volumeone.org/articles/2023/02/21/313298-ecs-bateaux-soccer-club-moves-into-new-league
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Huh? 2nd place isn't in the field? THe B14 is mediocre but they'll probably get 9 teans in.
I think Pitt is in second of the ACC and may not make the field.
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There is no such thing as too soon. Bravo.
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I dunno, heard they had some deadly shooters and guys just happy to assist.
LOL.
Hey pbi,
Restaurants bars in San Diego? Is there an MU bar? Ty.
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LOL.
Hey pbi,
Restaurants bars in San Diego? Is there an MU bar? Ty.
Sadly, the one area I have not been in a very long time.
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Yea I can’t understand why none of these stories is mentioning him playing a complete extra season. Maravich did it in 83 games. Davis will play 144…regular season games.
This is the best stat I've seen all week:
If Antoine Davis scores 26 points on Thursday night at Youngstown State, he will break Pete Maravich’s D-I points record that has stood since Jan. 31, 1970.
If Antoine Davis scores 2,721 points on Thursday night, he’ll overtake Maravich for the career points per game record.
https://twitter.com/jaredberson/status/1630752690018893824?s=46&t=y09G3XF0pbaZZc_-K-dYSw
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Sadly, the one area I have not been in a very long time.
No worries pbi! I need to find a joint there Saturday and you are the STG. (Scoop Travel Guru).
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I would be absolutely shocked if Alabama made it out of the first weekend. They have won their last three against sub par competition by the skin of their teeth. Most likely a 1 seed but the sec is weak and wouldn’t doubt a 8/9 from a power conference knocks them out
I would not be shocked at all if Alabama made it out of the first weekend. They'll have the best player on the court and they'll be playing a mediocre team in the second round.
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Rico can help you find a joint.
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LOL.
Hey pbi,
Restaurants bars in San Diego? Is there an MU bar? Ty.
Mavericks Beach Club usually has a Marquette crowd for games
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This is the best stat I've seen all week:
If Antoine Davis scores 26 points on Thursday night at Youngstown State, he will break Pete Maravich’s D-I points record that has stood since Jan. 31, 1970.
If Antoine Davis scores 2,721 points on Thursday night, he’ll overtake Maravich for the career points per game record.
https://twitter.com/jaredberson/status/1630752690018893824?s=46&t=y09G3XF0pbaZZc_-K-dYSw
That's an effective way to make that point. Davis certainly has every right to be proud of his accomplishment, but a little perspective is good.
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Mavericks Beach Club usually has a Marquette crowd for games
That's not near San Diego but ty lawdog. I live fairly close to there so should try it sometime when I golf in the area. Oh...I didn't realize there was one in San Diego! Thx.
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That's not near San Diego but ty lawdog. I live fairly close to there so should try it sometime when I golf in the area. Oh...I didn't realize there was one in San Diego! Thx.
Yes it is. It's in Pacific Beach.
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Yes it is. It's in Pacific Beach.
I was thinking of Mavericks Beach where I wrongly assumed the restaurant was near.
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I was thinking of Mavericks Beach where I wrongly assumed the restaurant was near.
I posted initial suggestions in the restaurants thread in SuperBar.
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I posted initial suggestions in the restaurants thread in SuperBar.
Ty shoothoops.
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He was amazing, averaged 44.2 per game his final year (1970). MU played LSU and Pistol in the NIT semis that year. We crushed them 101-79 and held Pete to his second lowest total of the year (20). 12 of those came at the free throw line.
A recap of that NIT, with this description of the MU team: "Coach Al McGuire and his hungry, angry urchins from Milwaukee": https://vault.si.com/vault/1970/03/30/the-upstaging-of-pistol-pete
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Yes it is. It's in Pacific Beach.
Pacific Beach is a fun area.
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Ty shoothoops.
You’re welcome.
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Pacific Beach is a fun area.
Yes it is.
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Rootin for UW-Milwaukee in the horizon tourney.
But holy cats. 5 min into the badger Purdue game and a total of 4 points scored?
How is that allowed?
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How long have the zebras looked at the end of the Rutgers/Minny game?
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Purdue isnt a real title threat IMO.
Seeing the season age and they just aren't that good.
Edey and a lot of nothing else.
Luckily for them the Big Ten isn't good either.
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Purdue isnt a real title threat IMO.
Seeing the season age and they just aren't that good.
Edey and a lot of nothing else.
Luckily for them the Big Ten isn't good either.
I could see Purdue losing again tonight.
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This MIchigan/Illinois game is wild. Neither team wants to win. But they both sure as heck dont want to lose either. Whoever gets down. Responds right away.
Rutgers with an epicially bad loss. Didnt just lose to Minny. But blew like a 10 pt lead with barely a minute left.
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Purdue doesn't look like the same team that they were earlier in the season.
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Purdue doesn't look like the same team that they were earlier in the season.
Their freshman guards are wearing down.
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This is the best stat I've seen all week:
If Antoine Davis scores 26 points on Thursday night at Youngstown State, he will break Pete Maravich’s D-I points record that has stood since Jan. 31, 1970.
If Antoine Davis scores 2,721 points on Thursday night, he’ll overtake Maravich for the career points per game record.
https://twitter.com/jaredberson/status/1630752690018893824?s=46&t=y09G3XF0pbaZZc_-K-dYSw
30 seconds left and needs 6 more. 4 fouls and team down 4.
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30 seconds left and needs 6 more. 4 fouls and team down 4.
Came up short. Chucker. 7 of 26. 4 of 16 from 3.
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Their freshman guards are wearing down.
Good point. Edey has to get some help if they expect to go deep in the tournament.
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Came up short. Chucker. 7 of 26. 4 of 16 from 3.
I saw the end of it and ended up glad he didn’t get it.
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Purdue isnt a real title threat IMO.
Seeing the season age and they just aren't that good.
Edey and a lot of nothing else.
Luckily for them the Big Ten isn't good either.
Yes….Purdue looks very bad.
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Based on the comments here I thought I’d check the score and Purdue would be down 15+. Instead I see they’re winning on the road against a team that beat us wire to wire at our place with their best player missing half the game.
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Based on the comments here I thought I’d check the score and Purdue would be down 15+. Instead I see they’re winning on the road against a team that beat us wire to wire at our place with their best player missing half the game.
Wade,
That game was about 3 months ago and Hepburn played out of his ass. The fact is Purdue has been mediocre for about a month and Edey isn't getting any help at all from the rest of his team or Painter.
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Wade,
That game was about 3 months ago and Hepburn played out of his ass. The fact is Purdue has been mediocre for about a month and Edey isn't getting any help at all from the rest of his team or Painter.
Hepburn only played half the game.
Agree with the Purdue portion of your post.
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Hepburn only played half the game.
Agree with the Purdue portion of your post.
If by only half the game you mean 26 minutes
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If by only half the game you mean 26 minutes
Well, that is six minutes below his average. ::)
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Wade,
That game was about 3 months ago and Hepburn played out of his ass. The fact is Purdue has been mediocre for about a month and Edey isn't getting any help at all from the rest of his team or Painter.
Not sure what you meant regarding getting no help from Painter, but Purdue was unimpressive last night. Too bad they did not play like that when we were in W. Lafayette.
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We all know that if Antoine Davis would have broken the scoring record last night, it would have come with one of the biggest asterisks ever for a sports record. A great accomplishment, to be sure, but with a huge asterisk.
How much more worse will it be if Detroit actually pays $50,000 to participate in the CBI to get Davis another game? Hopefully they won't get the invite...but I suspect that they will.
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We all know that if Antoine Davis would have broken the scoring record last night, it would have come with one of the biggest asterisks ever for a sports record. A great accomplishment, to be sure, but with a huge asterisk.
How much more worse will it be if Detroit actually pays $50,000 to participate in the CBI to get Davis another game? Hopefully they won't get the invite...but I suspect that they will.
I watched the last 10 minutes of the game and came away really unimpressed. That just seemed like such a garbage team where one player just chucked shots. Detroit was pretty terrible in his 5 years there so it wasn’t a winning formula anyway. I’d think they’d just want to end the season and move forward. They will be better off.
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We all know that if Antoine Davis would have broken the scoring record last night, it would have come with one of the biggest asterisks ever for a sports record. A great accomplishment, to be sure, but with a huge asterisk.
How much more worse will it be if Detroit actually pays $50,000 to participate in the CBI to get Davis another game? Hopefully they won't get the invite...but I suspect that they will.
I think CBI has already announced their intentions to do this.
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I’d think they’d just want to end the season and move forward. They will be better off.
You'd think. But I can't see a kid (and his father/coach) walking away from the chance to be the NCAA D1 all-time leading scorer. I just can't imagine that will happen. And I can't imagine the CBI is going to walk away from the unprecedented opportunity to actually have press coverage of one its games. I suspect Detroit will get the invite and they'll play. Honestly, he'd be crazy not to. I would think that over the course of his lifetime being the all-time D1 points leader would generate more income than the $50k that it will cost to play.
I think CBI has already announced their intentions to do this.
I hadn't seen that, but obviously, I'm not surprised.
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I think Bruce Pearl was unhappy with the officiating if his game. Fun little post game interview.
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I watched the last 10 minutes of the game and came away really unimpressed. That just seemed like such a garbage team where one player just chucked shots. Detroit was pretty terrible in his 5 years there so it wasn’t a winning formula anyway. I’d think they’d just want to end the season and move forward. They will be better off.
To be fair, Pistol Pete averaged over 38 field goal attempts per game and shot about 44% during his college career. We'd probably consider him a chucker.
Unless someone beats his record in a three-season period, there's always going to be at least a hypothetical asterisk on the record. I say let Davis have his moment in the CBI. Detroit Mercy will be moving on from him either way.
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I watched the last 10 minutes of the game and came away really unimpressed. That just seemed like such a garbage team where one player just chucked shots. Detroit was pretty terrible in his 5 years there so it wasn’t a winning formula anyway. I’d think they’d just want to end the season and move forward. They will be better off.
Outside of their NIT run where Marquette beat them in the Garden, LSU wasn't very good when Maravich was around too.
To be fair, Pistol Pete averaged over 38 field goal attempts per game and shot about 44% during his college career. We'd probably consider him a chucker.
Probably? We have Scoopers who call Marquette's all time leading scorer a chucker and the most he averaged was just over 19 shots a game.
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To be fair, Pistol Pete averaged over 38 field goal attempts per game and shot about 44% during his college career. We'd probably consider him a chucker.
Unless someone beats his record in a three-season period, there's always going to be at least a hypothetical asterisk on the record. I say let Davis have his moment in the CBI. Detroit Mercy will be moving on from him either way.
And to be fair, Pistol got his record without ever making a single three point bucket.
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To be fair, Pistol Pete averaged over 38 field goal attempts per game and shot about 44% during his college career. We'd probably consider him a chucker.
Unless someone beats his record in a three-season period, there's always going to be at least a hypothetical asterisk on the record. I say let Davis have his moment in the CBI. Detroit Mercy will be moving on from him either way.
He absolutely was a chucker, but he did it with such flair that he was fun to watch.
Knee injuries hampered his pro career, but he earned his spot as a basketball hall of famer.
Another thing to remember about his college career is that there was no shot clock so teams that were so inclined could slow the game down and limit possessions. I don't think a shot clock would have affected LSU's offense much.
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Purdue doesn't look like the same team that they were earlier in the season.
I wonder how much is not being the same team and how much is overvaluing what they did early. They blasted Duke & Gonzaga in Portland, but neither of those have looked like the top-10 teams they were then for most of this year. They did great in the B10, but that's a very middle heavy league. In league play, the only projected single digit seeds they've beaten are Maryland and Iowa, both at home. They're good, but maybe great was always an overapproximation.
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I wonder how much is not being the same team and how much is overvaluing what they did early. They blasted Duke & Gonzaga in Portland, but neither of those have looked like the top-10 teams they were then for most of this year. They did great in the B10, but that's a very middle heavy league. In league play, the only projected single digit seeds they've beaten are Maryland and Iowa, both at home. They're good, but maybe great was always an overapproximation.
Starting to look more and more like Marquette let a game slip away that they really SHOULD have won.
Oh well!
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And to be fair, Pistol got his record without ever making a single three point bucket.
Right....I think I heard on a broadcast last night that they went back and analyzed his shot distance and he would've average like 13 3's a game.
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If by only half the game you mean 26 minutes
21/40 in regulation is what I was referring to. A bit more since the game went to OT.
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Starting to look more and more like Marquette let a game slip away that they really SHOULD have won.
Oh well!
Not really. If you look at the win probability, it had Marquette with over a 50% chance for just 7 and a half minutes of the game. Purdue had over a 50% chance to win the game for 32 and a half minutes. Both teams' largest lead was 9. Purdue shot better from the field, from 3, turned it over less, and made more free throws than Marquette attempted. We were on the road against a team that, even after they look "awful" (if you read Scoop) is still ranked 6 in KenPom, 5th in Torvik, and 5th in NET, higher than Marquette in all 3.
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Not really. If you look at the win probability, it had Marquette with over a 50% chance for just 7 and a half minutes of the game. Purdue had over a 50% chance to win the game for 32 and a half minutes. Both teams' largest lead was 9. Purdue shot better from the field, from 3, turned it over less, and made more free throws than Marquette attempted. We were on the road against a team that, even after they look "awful" (if you read Scoop) is still ranked 6 in KenPom, 5th in Torvik, and 5th in NET, higher than Marquette in all 3.
Agreed - their freshman are wearing down, which is why they aren’t the same team as when we played them earlier in the season. The only thing I wish we had done differently was use more full court pressure, as they have shown they are not good at dealing with it.
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Careful. Saying that freshmen are wearing down is admitting Dodds might be right about something.
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We all know that if Antoine Davis would have broken the scoring record last night, it would have come with one of the biggest asterisks ever for a sports record. A great accomplishment, to be sure, but with a huge asterisk.
How much more worse will it be if Detroit actually pays $50,000 to participate in the CBI to get Davis another game? Hopefully they won't get the invite...but I suspect that they will.
Then again, Pistol Pete played in a segregated SEC, so we could probably throw an asterisk on his record, too.
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Then again, Pistol Pete played in a segregated SEC, so we could probably throw an asterisk on his record, too.
I would agree.
Then again, Pistol Pete played prior to the three point shot, so we could probably take the asterisk off he record too.
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What if we just educate ourselves on the circumstances that each athlete faced when they accomplished their feat, and understand that while they may be different, they are still both pretty incredible.
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What if we just educate ourselves on the circumstances that each athlete faced when they accomplished their feat, and understand that while they may be different, they are still both pretty incredible.
Ponder this - wwsbd ? (What would skip bayless do)
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Ponder this - wwsbd ? (What would skip bayless do)
Then we do the opposite?
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Then we do the opposite?
Not if you want money and fame
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Careful. Saying that freshmen are wearing down is admitting Dodds might be right about something.
I don’t think anyone ever disputed that younger players may have less stamina than older ones when it comes to navigating the rigors of a major college season for the first time.
What is so goofy is his attempt to quantify it by the number and length of “walls” that players hit based on their class.
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Ty Iowa St. Very good result for MU.
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Number 2 Alabama goes down to Buzz and the boys
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Number 2 Alabama goes down to Buzz and the boys
Surprised Alabama didn’t have another hot shooting day.
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Number 12 Tennessee lost to Auburn
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Everything that needed to go MUs way today, did.
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What's best for MU,Texas loss, or Kansas?
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What's best for MU,Texas loss, or Kansas?
Texas but it really doesn’t matter either way
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Number 11 Kansas State loses as well!!!
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Some crazy scores in college hoops today.
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With the regular season done it is pretty clear the following teams are locked ahead of us: Bama, Purdue, Houston, KU, UCLA and UT. Arizona is probably ahead of us. That leaves one 2-seed between us, KSU, and Gonzaga. Probably have to win the BET because of the committee’s love affair with the Big 12 and Gonzaga’s name brand.
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Is UNC out? Finally? (except if they win the ACC tourney)
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Is UNC out? Finally? (except if they win the ACC tourney)
I think so.
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Is UNC out? Finally? (except if they win the ACC tourney)
If they get an at large, then they should just shut down the NET rankings. Only 1 quad one win all year for UNC.
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Is Pitt out too? Firmly on the bubble.
Just an observation but on ESPN, the title of a Miami v Pitt game is "Miami storms the court after upsetting No. 25 Pitt,"
#16 Miami was an 8 pint favorite at home and lead the entire 2nd half. ::)
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With the regular season done it is pretty clear the following teams are locked ahead of us: Bama, Purdue, Houston, KU, UCLA and UT. Arizona is probably ahead of us. That leaves one 2-seed between us, KSU, and Gonzaga. Probably have to win the BET because of the committee’s love affair with the Big 12 and Gonzaga’s name brand.
You forgot Baylor
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KSU should not be ahead of us. Gonzaga ahead of us would be a complete joke. Baylor maybe depending on the Big 12 Tourney. But I’ll stick with 2 more wins post Butler (so now 1 more win) gets us a 2 seed.
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Wow Tennessee Tech!
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Wow Tennessee Tech!
Wild last min for sure. OT gonna be good
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You forgot Baylor
Kind of feels like getting their ass kicked at home by a team that had lost 8 of 10 shouldn’t lock them into a spot above us.
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Is Pitt out too? Firmly on the bubble.
Just an observation but on ESPN, the title of a Miami v Pitt game is "Miami storms the court after upsetting No. 25 Pitt,"
#16 Miami was an 8 pint favorite at home and lead the entire 2nd half. ::)
Pitt shouldn't be on the bubble IMO. They look a lot better than Wisky, Penn St, UNC, NC St, or USC from my eyes.
But otherwise that headline is moronic
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Kind of feels like getting their ass kicked at home by a team that had lost 8 of 10 shouldn’t lock them into a spot above us.
He didn't mention Baylor at all. Not in the locked in above us category or in the "one 2 seed for 3 teams" category. If you want to say they aren't locked in above us, fine, I don't agree, but I can at least see the argument. There's no way you can argue that they aren't even in contention for a 2 seed.
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KSU should not be ahead of us. Gonzaga ahead of us would be a complete joke. Baylor maybe depending on the Big 12 Tourney. But I’ll stick with 2 more wins post Butler (so now 1 more win) gets us a 2 seed.
Arizona and Baylor are both still ahead of us. What happens if they win the P12 and B12 tournaments? What if Tennessee wins the SEC tournament? What if K-State wins the B12 tournament and Baylor is the runner up? Still think beating Butler or St. John's is going to seal it?
You can't just look at what we do. You have to pay attention to what the other teams do. We don't control our own destiny for a 2 seed.
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Arizona and Baylor are both still ahead of us. What happens if they win the P12 and B12 tournaments? What if Tennessee wins the SEC tournament? What if K-State wins the B12 tournament and Baylor is the runner up? Still think beating Butler or St. John's is going to seal it?
You can't just look at what we do. You have to pay attention to what the other teams do. We don't control our own destiny for a 2 seed.
I understand Quadrants and all, but at some point 25-6 just has to overshadow 22-9 or 22-10.
Marquette has proven they can beat anybody and the 25-6, 17-3 record is damn impressive in this league.
I'd have em as a 2, but understand they are probably just about locked as a 3.
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Arizona and Baylor are both still ahead of us. What happens if they win the P12 and B12 tournaments? What if Tennessee wins the SEC tournament? What if K-State wins the B12 tournament and Baylor is the runner up? Still think beating Butler or St. John's is going to seal it?
You can't just look at what we do. You have to pay attention to what the other teams do. We don't control our own destiny for a 2 seed.
I'm not sure I agree. Zona is 3-3 in their last 6 and only tonight against UCLA was a decent loss. That Stanford loss is horrific.
And Baylor? They lost 3 of 5. Down the stretch.
If both run deep in the conference tourney, sure. But both have been trash down the stretch compared to MU
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USF/Santa Clara was a really fun game
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Is Pitt out too? Firmly on the bubble.
Just an observation but on ESPN, the title of a Miami v Pitt game is "Miami storms the court after upsetting No. 25 Pitt,"
#16 Miami was an 8 pint favorite at home and lead the entire 2nd half. ::)
The headline should have been
“Miami storms court after winning share of ACC title with win over Pitt”.
I assume it was the conference championship (probably a first for Miami) that triggered the celebration. Pitt just happened to be the opponent.
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I'm not sure I agree. Zona is 3-3 in their last 6 and only tonight against UCLA was a decent loss. That Stanford loss is horrific.
And Baylor? They lost 3 of 5. Down the stretch.
If both run deep in the conference tourney, sure. But both have been trash down the stretch compared to MU
I tend to agree with this and will take it a step further: If MU wins out I think it's probable we get a 2 seed. My overall take is that Houston, Kansas, UCLA, Tex, and Alabama are not going to drop past us. But after that the potential 2 seeds all could fall to a 3. The B12 will not get four top 8 seeds. The question is will they get three? In order for that to happen I think either Baylor or K.State has to win the B12 tournament.
So what we have is either two spots or three spots open on the 2 line. I know people seem to just pencil in Purdue as a lock but I wouldn't assume that at all. If they lose today and don't win a few games in the B14 tournament I could absolutely see them kicked to a 3. Zona imo is not in a better position than MU. They are in a weaker conf and will need to win the P-12 tournament
Marquette controls it's own destiny Scoopers. I could honestly care less about computer numbers. It's simply not conceivable to me that we could finish our season with one loss in over a month and not usurp a #2 seed. The last 10 games or so matter.
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I understand Quadrants and all, but at some point 25-6 just has to overshadow 22-9 or 22-10.
That's not how this works.
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I understand Quadrants and all, but at some point 25-6 just has to overshadow 22-9 or 22-10.
Where would you draw the line on this?
Only teams from power conferences?
And then what when a conference has a relatively down year like the ACC.
Do you rate Miami with its 24-6 record ahead of some of those teams with 9 or 10 losses just because of the number of losses.
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That's not how this works.
At some point it has to. If not have Marqutte play Kansas 30 times and when they go 15 and 15 they get a 1 seed. The formula is absurd if Baylor has 4 more losses and loses the tiebreaker by 30 points and still gets a better seed. I can see the argument with Texas but cannot with Baylor.
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At some point it has to. If not have Marqutte play Kansas 30 times and when they go 15 and 15 they get a 1 seed. The formula is absurd if Baylor has 4 more losses and loses the tiebreaker by 30 points and still gets a better seed. I can see the argument with Texas but cannot with Baylor.
Again, it is very clear why these teams are seeded higher. Either people aren't understanding this or just don't want to hear it, but it is clear if people have been paying attention.
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Again, it is very clear why these teams are seeded higher. Either people aren't understanding this or just don't want to hear it, but it is clear if people have been paying attention.
I understand the logic behind it. However, when given 2x the amount of chances to compile Q1 wins in the big12 as you are in the Big East, you are goin get more wins. Like I posted in the other thread if you are never penalized for losing a game for a q1 team but shoot up a seed like for winning vs a q1 team theres no way any team can every pass you.
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The Big 12 is a much more difficult conference because the bottom of the Big East is horrible. Their teams shouldn't be penalized for that.
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I understand Quadrants and all, but at some point 25-6 just has to overshadow 22-9 or 22-10.
Marquette has proven they can beat anybody and the 25-6, 17-3 record is damn impressive in this league.
I'd have em as a 2, but understand they are probably just about locked as a 3.
So Charleston should be a 1 seed?
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The Big 12 is a much more difficult conference because the bottom of the Big East is horrible. Their teams shouldn't be penalized for that.
Yes, maybe. There are a couple of dogs in BEast. But aside from GT, are any of our dogs that much worse than the bottom 3 or 4 in Big 12.
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Yes, maybe. There are a couple of dogs in BEast. But aside from GT, are any of our dogs that much worse than the bottom 3 or 4 in Big 12.
By NET ranking, Seton Hall, Villanova, St. John's, Butler, De Paul and Georgetown all are below the bottom team from the Big 12 - Oklahoma.
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By NET ranking, Seton Hall, Villanova, St. John's, Butler, De Paul and Georgetown all are below the bottom team from the Big 12 - Oklahoma.
An Oklahoma team that has 6 Q1 wins including spanking #2 Alabama. Their worst loss was to #70 Villanova in Philly by 4 points. Their next worst to #59 Sam Houston State.
BE bottom is nowhere near the B12 bottom.
The fact that people still don't understand how this works is amazing to me. Last 5, 8 or 10 games don't matter anymore so you can do away with recent records or what have you.
Marquette is locked into a 3 seed and maybe would should be thrilled with that.
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Yes, maybe. There are a couple of dogs in BEast. But aside from GT, are any of our dogs that much worse than the bottom 3 or 4 in Big 12.
The B12 is much better at the bottom than the BEast. However, MU beat Baylor by like 100 points. If the committee has to decide between us and them I don't see how they can choose Baylor.
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If it’s between us and Baylor for the last 2 seed, the differences in opponents in the first two rounds won’t be much and we’d have the chance to prove the committee wrong in the Sweet 16. This really isn’t worth worrying about.
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If it’s between us and Baylor for the last 2 seed, the differences in opponents in the first two rounds won’t be much and we’d have the chance to prove the committee wrong in the Sweet 16. This really isn’t worth worrying about.
It could be significant in 1st rd but after that it doesn't really matter.
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It could be significant in 1st rd but after that it doesn't really matter.
It would be the difference between the highest ranked 15th and lowest ranked 14th. Not significant at all.
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I'm not sure I agree. Zona is 3-3 in their last 6 and only tonight against UCLA was a decent loss. That Stanford loss is horrific.
And Baylor? They lost 3 of 5. Down the stretch.
If both run deep in the conference tourney, sure. But both have been trash down the stretch compared to MU
You can keep adding criteria that the committee doesn't look at in seeding but it doesn't change the fact that they smoke us in most of the criteria that they actually consider.
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I understand Quadrants and all, but at some point 25-6 just has to overshadow 22-9 or 22-10.
Buzz agrees. That's why he plays a 250 noncon SOS every year.
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I understand Quadrants and all, but at some point 25-6 just has to overshadow 22-9 or 22-10.
Marquette has proven they can beat anybody and the 25-6, 17-3 record is damn impressive in this league.
I'd have em as a 2, but understand they are probably just about locked as a 3.
You know we are ahead of several teams that have better metrics than us but worse win loss records right? UConn comes to mind. So there is a point, but Baylor and Texas are past that point.
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If it’s between us and Baylor for the last 2 seed, the differences in opponents in the first two rounds won’t be much and we’d have the chance to prove the committee wrong in the Sweet 16. This really isn’t worth worrying about.
I’d prefer MU gets in Louisville first and foremost even at the expense of getting a 3 seed. NYC may be a good spot also since we’d have just played games there.
Kansas City will be a hornet’s nest and we’d be a fish out of water in Vegas so getting a 2 in either of those regions doesn’t do all that much for me.
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An Oklahoma team that has 6 Q1 wins including spanking #2 Alabama. Their worst loss was to #70 Villanova in Philly by 4 points. Their next worst to #59 Sam Houston State.
BE bottom is nowhere near the B12 bottom.
The fact that people still don't understand how this works is amazing to me. Last 5, 8 or 10 games don't matter anymore so you can do away with recent records or what have you.
Marquette is locked into a 3 seed and maybe would should be thrilled with that.
But why are Baylor’s quadrant numbers better than MUs? They’ve just played way more games. Their 11-9 in Q1; were 6-5. They’re 4-0 in Q2; we’re 5-0. Just plying more games shouldn’t really matter if you end up losing significantly more games too, especially after we waxed them in our head to head. The losses count too.
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My seeding tier list:
One seed locks
Houston
Alabama
Kansas
One or two seed
Purdue
UCLA
Two seed or best three seed
Texas
Baylor
Arizona
Kansas State
Three seeds
Marquette
Tennessee
Gonzaga
Four seeds
UConn
Indiana
Xavier
Iowa State
The gap from 9 to 10 on the S-Curve is bigger than gap from 10 to 14. Marquette has to win the BET to even get considered for a 2 seed.
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But why are Baylor’s quadrant numbers better than MUs? They’ve just played way more games. Their 11-9 in Q1; were 6-5. They’re 4-0 in Q2; we’re 5-0. Just plying more games shouldn’t really matter if you end up losing significantly more games too, especially after we waxed them in our head to head. The losses count too.
Of course playing and winning more Q1 games should matter.
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But why are Baylor’s quadrant numbers better than MUs? They’ve just played way more games. Their 11-9 in Q1; were 6-5. They’re 4-0 in Q2; we’re 5-0. Just plying more games shouldn’t really matter if you end up losing significantly more games too, especially after we waxed them in our head to head. The losses count too.
They're better because they have 5 more Q1 wins and 1 less Q3 loss. This isn't rocket science
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Our team has built a solid resume. We'd have done even better by not losing to bubblicious Madison and Miss St teams at home and on a neutral site, respectively, or by winning one of our close BEast losses. But every team can point to a couple they "could have" won (while always conveniently ignoring a few they "could have" lost), so it's a silly exercise.
The difference between being one of the first two 3-seeds and being the last 2-seed is negligible IMHO, so being bothered by it just isn't worth it to me. Really looking forward to an exciting next 4 weeks of MU hoops!
We Are Marquette!
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Our team has built a solid resume. We'd have done even better by not losing to bubblicious Madison and Miss St teams at home and on a neutral site, respectively, or by winning one of our close BEast losses. But every team can point to a couple they "could have" won (while always conveniently ignoring a few they "could have" lost), so it's a silly exercise.
The difference between being one of the first two 3-seeds and being the last 2-seed is negligible IMHO, so being bothered by it just isn't worth it to me. Really looking forward to an exciting next 4 weeks of MU hoops!
We Are Marquette!
Agreed. Well said.
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They're better because they have 5 more Q1 wins and 1 less Q3 loss. This isn't rocket science
11/20 is .55%; 6/11 = .545. You’re right the math isn’t hard.
The UW overtime loss sucks, but I think smoking Baylor itself by 20+ more than covers that. There also is a good chance Baylor is a first round exit in the Big 12 tourney.
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Of course playing and winning more Q1 games should matter.
By this logic Gonzaga and Houston should never sniff a top 4 seed. They play in two of the weakest conferences in the country. Each conference has legit 1 team that could beat Gonzaga in St. Marys and maybe Temple/Cincinatti.
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11/20 is .55%; 6/11 = .545. You’re right the math isn’t hard.
The UW overtime loss sucks, but I think smoking Baylor itself by 20+ more than covers that. There also is a good chance Baylor is a first round exit in the Big 12 tourney.
Winning percentage by quadrant doesn't matter. The committee rewards teams for playing a harder schedule it doesn't punish them
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11/20 is .55%; 6/11 = .545. You’re right the math isn’t hard.
Ummm…. Q1 wins count more for you than Q1 losses count against you. Otherwise where is the incentive to play a difficult schedule?
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Marquette is locked into a 3 seed and maybe [we] should be thrilled with that.
That's where I'm at. I simply don't understand all the gnashing of teeth about whether we can get to a 2-seed or how Baylor can possibly be ahead of us. We're a freaking 3 seed. I am absolutely thrilled. In the unlikely even that all the planets align and we end up a 2 seed...well, that would be gravy.
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Ummm…. Q1 wins count more for you than Q1 losses count against you. Otherwise where is the incentive to play a difficult schedule?
So do you have Iowa State ahead of MU? They’re 9-10 in Q1; that’s three more Ws.
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By this logic Gonzaga and Houston should never sniff a top 4 seed. They play in two of the weakest conferences in the country. Each conference has legit 1 team that could beat Gonzaga in St. Marys and maybe Temple/Cincinatti.
Well Gonzaga has 5 Q1 wins which is respectable and they are behind us.
I actually agree with you about Houston this year, I've never bought them as a top overall seed. But they have been so dominant in most of their games that their computer numbers make up for their lack of Q1 wins. Plus, the overall record is so good that it's hard to ignore.
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So do you have Iowa State ahead of MU? They’re 9-10 in Q1; that’s three more Ws.
And Oklahoma should also be on the 3 line with MU. They’re 6-12 in Q1.
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Arizona and Baylor are both still ahead of us. What happens if they win the P12 and B12 tournaments? What if Tennessee wins the SEC tournament? What if K-State wins the B12 tournament and Baylor is the runner up? Still think beating Butler or St. John's is going to seal it?
You can't just look at what we do. You have to pay attention to what the other teams do. We don't control our own destiny for a 2 seed.
Part of why we were a 2 if we won 2 more games is because teams above us will also take some losses. Sure, if everything goes as poorly as it could we would be a 3. But I’m banking on that not happening. It rarely does.
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So do you have Iowa State ahead of MU? They’re 9-10 in Q1; that’s three more Ws.
They also have worse computer numbers, 12 losses, and 2 Q2 losses.
No one said that Q1 wins is the only thing that matters. Just one of the most important.
And Oklahoma should also be on the 3 line with MU. They’re 6-12 in Q1.
Now you're just being willfully ignorant
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Plus, the overall record is so good that it's hard to ignore.
Isn't this the point you've been saying doesn't matter? At what point should overall record matter vs not matter?
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Didn’t the committee used to give credit for regular season conference champions? Do they still consider that?
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So do you have Iowa State ahead of MU? They’re 9-10 in Q1; that’s three more Ws.
I didn’t say Q1 losses are meaningless. Stop being hyperbolic.
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Didn’t the committee used to give credit for regular season conference champions? Do they still consider that?
Maybe and no. They don’t do that.
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Isn't this the point you've been saying doesn't matter? At what point should overall record matter vs not matter?
I don’t think they have a point aside from defending the condescending argument that MU has no claim to a 2 seed.
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Out of curiosity has any one ever said "Team X would have won the NC if they got a 2 seed instead of a 3 seed"?
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A metric like Wins Above Bubble is helpful for comparing teams in these situations. MU and Baylor are pretty much neck and neck.
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I don’t think they have a point aside from defending the condescending argument that MU has no claim to a 2 seed.
I think the point has been made repeatedly as to why they may not get a two seed and either you don’t understand it or are simply refusing to believe it.
Either way not a great look.
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I don’t think they have a point aside from defending the condescending argument that MU has no claim to a 2 seed.
So true when the argument is based upon NET and it's Quads, since there is data that shows the NET is not very relevant.
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Isn't this the point you've been saying doesn't matter? At what point should overall record matter vs not matter?
I have never once said that. Overall record is one of the secondary factors considered in seeding.
I don't know if I've said it in this thread or the other one, but there are multiple teams that have better metrics than us but we are ahead of. UConn is an example. Baylor and Texas are beyond that point
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I have never once said that. Overall record is one of the secondary factors considered in seeding.
I don't know if I've said it in this thread or the other one, but there are multiple teams that have better metrics than us but we are ahead of. UConn is an example. Baylor and Texas are beyond that point
Maybe I was confusing you with someone else. My apologies.
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I think the point has been made repeatedly as to why they may not get a two seed and either you don’t understand it or are simply refusing to believe it.
Either way not a great look.
I never said MU is locked into a 2, but if we win the BET I fully expect we will get it.
And for the kumbaya crowd, arguing about this type of stuff is what makes March fun.
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MU's fate lies in Barry Collier's hands. It's been rumored that Butler fans love us but I think Barry hates us.
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So true when the argument is based upon NET and it's Quads, since there is data that shows the NET is not very relevant.
NET is a tertiary factor considered in seeding (matters but barely) Quad records is a primary factor. Most of the arguments I've seen here have been about the quad records
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MU's fate lies in Barry Collier's hands. It's been rumored that Butler fans love us but I think Barry hates us.
Representatives of a conference are not allowed to participate in discussions and votes about the teams in their conference.
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Maryland is pasting Penn State on the Lions Senior Day. If they go on to win, the door will be open for the Badgers to bypass the first day of the conference tournament with a win over Minnesota.
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Representatives of a conference are not allowed to participate in discussions and votes about the teams in their conference.
He hates us at the coffee station!
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Yep consecutive attendance records set by MU. Therefore, 2 seed
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If I’m a 1 seed, I’d hate to see Memphis in the second round.
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Sounds like Mark Adams may be done at Texas Tech.
https://www.lubbockonline.com/story/sports/college/red-raiders/2023/03/05/texas-tech-head-coach-mark-adams-suspended-pending-investigation-by-athletic-director-kirby-hocutt/69973774007/
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Sounds like Mark Adams may be done at Texas Tech.
https://www.lubbockonline.com/story/sports/college/red-raiders/2023/03/05/texas-tech-head-coach-mark-adams-suspended-pending-investigation-by-athletic-director-kirby-hocutt/69973774007/
Sounds like they just want a new coach to me and are looking for any reason to can him. He was just a puppet who really didn’t deserve that job to begin with. Fans and players quickly turned on him when they realized it.
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Illinois has 4 assists at halftime against Purdue.
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Illinois has 4 assists at halftime against Purdue.
Do they have any leaders that know how to write letters?
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Penn State came from behind and beat Maryland 65-64 on a outback with .5 seconds left.
Reminiscent of Marquette-Xavier.
That results locks Wisconsin into the 11 spot in the BTT maenimg they will play on Wednesday and need to win 5 games to win the conference tournament. It also gives PSU a bump to its resume in the battle for the final spots. .
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Penn State came from behind and beat Maryland 65-64 on a outback with .5 seconds left.
Reminiscent of Marquette-Xavier.
That results locks Wisconsin into the 11 spot in the BTT maenimg they will play on Wednesday and need to win 5 games to win the conference tournament. It also gives PSU a bump to its resume in the battle for the final spots. .
Not a good result for the badgers.
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Penn State came from behind and beat Maryland 65-64 on a outback with .5 seconds left.
Reminiscent of Marquette-Xavier.
That results locks Wisconsin into the 11 spot in the BTT maenimg they will play on Wednesday and need to win 5 games to win the conference tournament. It also gives PSU a bump to its resume in the battle for the final spots. .
But also means their next two games are against Minnesota, yes? So Q3 maybe Q4 tonight, and Q4 in tourney? Ouch
Go Gophers!! Get ‘em, Dawson!!
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Houston knocks off Memphis on a shot at the buzzer that seemed to be aided by a not very subtle push off to create space to get the shot off.
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Houston knocks off Memphis on a shot at the buzzer that seemed to be aided by a not very subtle push off to create space to get the shot off.
Got ‘em with the 🐔 🍗
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Houston knocks off Memphis on a shot at the buzzer that seemed to be aided by a not very subtle push off to create space to get the shot off.
Saw that. Absurd. Any other moment in the game that gets called.
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Houston knocks off Memphis on a shot at the buzzer that seemed to be aided by a not very subtle push off to create space to get the shot off.
They call it “the Michael Jordan.”
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nm
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Purdue led Illinois 51-27 early in the second half and now they’re tied with a minute left.
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Purdue led Illinois 51-27 early in the second half and now they’re tied with a minute left.
It wouldn’t shock me if Purdue doesn’t make it out of the first weekend of the tournament.
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Mayer 1/9 3fg. Must’ve been on the Monster again last night
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Could have been a flagrant on Edey. Then Purdue could have been called on a reach in
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They call it “the Michael Jordan.”
As a self proclaimed MJ fan, I can assure you Michael never fouled, traveled, j-walked, cursed, sinned and could walk on water, turn water into wine and performed the greatest miracle ever: made Jerry Krause a world champion GM. ;D
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They call it “the Michael Jordan.”
Reggie Miller was real good at it, too. Pacers won Game 6 of the '98 conference finals when Reggie scored after pushing off Jordan. MJ didn't complain once because he knew he got away with it constantly. He also would famously (or infamously for Utah fans) would get away with it again in the NBA Finals.
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Penn State came from behind and beat Maryland 65-64 on a outback with .5 seconds left.
Reminiscent of Marquette-Xavier.
That results locks Wisconsin into the 11 spot in the BTT maenimg they will play on Wednesday and need to win 5 games to win the conference tournament. It also gives PSU a bump to its resume in the battle for the final spots. .
Not true. Wisconsin is in 12th right now behind Nebraska due to the tie breaker.
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Not true. Wisconsin is in 12th right now behind Nebraska due to the tie breaker.
The more significant part is that the Badgers cannot move up. They could have if PSU had lost.
The Badgers will end up at 11 if they beat the Gophers and Nebraska loses at Iowa.
Regardless they now have to win two games before they have an opportunity to pad their resume, and will have to win 5 games to win the conference tournament.
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The more significant part is that the Badgers cannot move up. They could have if PSU had lost.
The Badgers will end up at 11 if they beat the Gophers and Nebraska loses at Iowa.
Regardless they now have to win two games before they have an opportunity to pad their resume, and will have to win 5 games to win the conference tournament.
but my Badger friends tell me: 1) they lost so many close games, they could easily be in second place, 2) the B10 tourney is wide open, any one could win it...
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Gotta think the Badger fans are sweating right now. They got some, but not a lot of help this weekend - and Penn State just won. If Michigan beats IU today, gotta think both PSU and Michigan look objectively better than UW's resume. Factor in bid thieves and having to play against a bottom tier Big 10 team in the opening round of the tourney. Yikes.
On top of all of that, they have to now to on the road and try to beat a last-place Minnesota team that has absolutely nothing to lose on senior night.
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but my Badger friends tell me: 1) they lost so any close games, they could easily be in second place, 2) the B10 tourney is wide open, any one could win it...
Didn't they also forfeit a bunch of games to go to Europe to pick up their Nobel Prizes in physics and mathematics?
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Gotta think the Badger fans are sweating right now. They got some, but not a lot of help this weekend - and Penn State just won. Factor in bid thieves and a potential second loss at a NET-drag team in the first round of the BTT - sheesh.
On top of all of that, they have to now to on the road and try to beat a last-place Minnesota team that has absolutely nothing to lose on senior night.
C’mon Dawson - hang 50 on Bucky!
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Jerry Palm of CBS - holding strong with MU as a 2 seed.
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Wisconsin about to be locked into the 12/13 matchup against Ohio State.
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Wisconsin about to be locked into the 12/13 matchup against Ohio State.
Badger fans ecstatic about facing OSU - gives them a Quad 2 opportunity (for a loss :) )
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Indiana-mich atrocious - I would take any if the 27 tied-2nd big G10 teams anywhere in our bracket
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Indiana-mich atrocious - I would take any if the 27 tied-2nd big G10 teams anywhere in our bracket
Mich 1 pt per minute - IU at almost 1.5 - Blazing!
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Yall should turn on the ASun Final on ESPN2. Way better than a B10 game...
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Yall should turn on the ASun Final on ESPN2. Way better than a B10 game...
The Bay Hill is pretty wild too.
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Good for Kennesaw St.
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Xavier Johnson not returning for IU. My expectations have dropped.
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Always a shame when Liberty loses. Always a shame.
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Always a shame when Liberty loses. Always a shame.
Yep. I live one hour North of Liberty. I avoid the university, it's students and staff as much as possible. Sanctimonious, smug, self righteous, and insufferable. What a shame that they lost. ;D
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If Michigan pulls this win off, you gotta imagine that both PSU and Michigan jump the Badgers in the bubble conversation. Both would be way bigger wins that beating Minnesota on the road.
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but my Badger friends tell me: 1) they lost so many close games, they could easily be in second place, 2) the B10 tourney is wide open, any one could win it...
If teams got positive points for losing close games and letting games get away in the final minutes, Michigan, which is in second place, would be looking at about a 6 seed.
They are setting up to let another get away today, just like their first game against Indiana when they went scoreless for the last 5 minutes and lost by a point.
ETA: a vintage 5 minute scoring drought to end the game and start OT does Michigan in. I’m really don’t care that they aren’t going to the NCAA because they don’t deserve it. But it ticks me off that if they hadn’t squandered golden opportunities against Illinois and Indiana the last few days have kept the Badgers in position.
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Yep. I live one hour North of Liberty. I avoid the university, it's students and staff as much as possible. Sanctimonious, smug, self righteous, and insufferable. What a shame that they lost. ;D
You just described most people here.
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You just described most people here.
well, one anyway.
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Badger fans ecstatic about facing OSU - gives them a Quad 2 opportunity (for a loss :) )
How do you think it feels taking 12th in a conference that only advertised 10?
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Not bad. Unintended comedic irony. A self own is always fun.
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Dickinson repeatedly gets the ball slapped away on entry passes…so Howard keeps trying to feed him. Smart coaching man
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The Big 10 is so mediocre - it wouldn’t shock me if none of their teams made it out of the first weekend.
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Goldy up by 7 at the half.
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That is some awful basketball and Garcia is not a very good team player.
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Two bad teams!!
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That is some awful basketball and Garcia is not a very good team player.
I’d be selfish too playing with those bums
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Wisconsin doing what they do best, flopping and whining.
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I can't believe that team is gonna make the tournament. They're terrible.
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I can't believe that team is gonna make the tournament. They're terrible.
This is awful basketball.
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I can't believe that team is gonna make the tournament. They're terrible.
They're not.
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They're not.
They are unless they lose tonight or there are some bid thieves. They kept losing but nobody around the bubble took it from them.
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They're not.
They’re further away than people think. Need 3 wins in conference tournament.
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They are unless they lose tonight or there are some bid thieves. They kept losing but nobody around the bubble took it from them.
This win does nothing for them aside from avoiding a loss.
They'll have to win at least 2 games in the BIG Ten Tournament and that won't happen.
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Is NoLongerWarriors gonna take a victory lap if the Badgers win tonight?
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Is NoLongerWarriors gonna take a victory lap if the Badgers win tonight?
Hey, there are no easy nites on the road in the Big 10, even if the other team is 8-20. 🙄
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Why did Minnesota miss that on purpose? Still enough time to foul and get a good look.
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This win does nothing for them aside from avoiding a loss.
They'll have to win at least 2 games in the BIG Ten Tournament and that won't happen.
Why? Who is going to make it over them?
If there is a bid stealer or two, which is likely, they’ll miss. If there’s not? Nobody has passed them.
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Why did Minnesota miss that on purpose? Still enough time to foul and get a good look.
Because they are 8-21
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Congrats to Bucky for finishing 12th in a mediocre Big 10 - NLW should be proud of their season.
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Dumbass Klesmit fouls with Madison up 2, thinking they were up 3. But Battle, an 85% FT shooter for Minnesota, of course bricked the first.
Two horrible teams going nowhere.
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I’d be selfish too playing with those bums
Garcia’s just as big a bum as the rest of them.
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Garcia’s just as big a bum as the rest of them.
True. Dawson provides zero interior defense.
Lewis and Oso both ended up being much better players than Garcia.
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Why? Who is going to make it over them?
If there is a bid stealer or two, which is likely, they’ll miss. If there’s not? Nobody has passed them.
None of the Bracket Projections account for bid stealers. There are always bid stealers. If you are last 2 or 3 in right now, get ready for disappointment.
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True. Dawson provides zero interior defense.
Lewis and Oso both ended up being much better players than Garcia.
No argument here
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You just described most people here.
(https://images2.imgbox.com/cf/8f/0hAm5J5o_o.jpg) (https://imgbox.com/0hAm5J5o)
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Alexa, show me a picture of mediocrity
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Texas Tech is so hard to play at that it's even hard for its own players to play at, apparently.
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None of the Bracket Projections account for bid stealers. There are always bid stealers. If you are last 2 or 3 in right now, get ready for disappointment.
Drake and Kennesaw State
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Drake and Kennesaw State
Those aren’t really bid stealers that would impact the bubble. They are still a one bid league. A bid stealer would be if Villanova wins the BET as it would take away a bubble spot.
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Texas Tech is so hard to play at that it's even hard for its own players to play at, apparently.
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Those aren’t really bid stealers that would impact the bubble. They are still a one bid league. A bid stealer would be if Villanova wins the BET as it would take away a bubble spot.
If lightning strikes and we don’t win the BET, I’ll be hoping Nova engages in some bid-stealery.
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Those aren’t really bid stealers that would impact the bubble. They are still a one bid league. A bid stealer would be if Villanova wins the BET as it would take away a bubble spot.
I realized that after I hit the "enter" key.
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The most likely bid stealer from the mid-majors would probably come from CUSA, where Florida Atlantic looks like a lock. Either UAB or North Texas could give them trouble in a championship game. One of their two conference losses was to UAB and, while they beat North Texas twice, both were only by four points.
Would Oral Roberts get in if they don't win the Summit League tournament? What about Charleston in the Colonial or VCU in the Atlantic 10?
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The most likely bid stealer from the mid-majors would probably come from CUSA, where Florida Atlantic looks like a lock. Either UAB or North Texas could give them trouble in a championship game. One of their two conference losses was to UAB and, while they beat North Texas twice, both were only by four points.
Would Oral Roberts get in if they don't win the Summit League tournament? What about Charleston in the Colonial or VCU in the Atlantic 10?
A-10 is a one-bid league. Same with the other two.
Bid thieves can come from the Big East, ACC, SEC and maybe Mountain West.
Nova or Hall, a wide swath of teams in the ACC. Vandy in the SEC, New Mexico or San Jose State in the Mountain West.
Heck, Arizona State in the Pac-12
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A-10 is a one-bid league. Same with the other two.
Bid thieves can come from the Big East, ACC, SEC and maybe Mountain West.
Nova or Hall, a wide swath of teams in the ACC. Vandy in the SEC, New Mexico or San Jose State in the Mountain West.
Heck, Arizona State in the Pac-12
Don't forget the AAC. Anyone other than Houston and Memphis would be a bid stealer.
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The most likely bid stealer from the mid-majors would probably come from CUSA, where Florida Atlantic looks like a lock. Either UAB or North Texas could give them trouble in a championship game. One of their two conference losses was to UAB and, while they beat North Texas twice, both were only by four points.
Would Oral Roberts get in if they don't win the Summit League tournament? What about Charleston in the Colonial or VCU in the Atlantic 10?
I think Charleston has the best case of those, but it would take the Selection Committee looking at their scheduling intent as opposed to their actual schedule. Charleston scheduled 7 teams that were NCAA/NIT teams from 2022. They won 5 of those games (lost at UNC) but the other 5 NCAA teams they scheduled were Q1/Q1/Q2/Q2/Q3 in 2022, but are Q2/Q3/Q3/Q4/Q4 in 2023. The NIT team is one of their Q2 wins.
Anyway...they are 2-1 in Q1+2, but if the teams they thought they scheduled had held their quadrants, they would be 5-1 in Q1+2 and locks for the NCAA Tournament regardless of what happens in the CAA. Instead, Va Tech, Davidson, Colorado State, Chattanooga and Richmond had comparably poor seasons and what Charleston tried to schedule didn't come to fruition. In the past, the NCAA has talked about scheduling intent, but this is one of the first really blatant trial balloons for that thought process.
For the others, FAU is in, Oral Roberts and VCU I'm not as certain of. ORU has a decent case, VCU I think has to get the autobid. Bid thieves will be the biggest question. If BYU wins the WCC, North Texas wins C-USA, and a couple non-at-large high majors come through (like Georgetown and Oregon State in 2021) it will all be moot.
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Don't forget the AAC. Anyone other than Houston and Memphis would be a bid stealer.
That’s a good example, too. I’m pro-bid stealer this year. A far departure from my usual feelings
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That’s a good example, too. I’m pro-bid stealer this year. A far departure from my usual feelings
Same. Looking forward to a wild and wacky Championship Week.
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That’s a good example, too. I’m pro-bid stealer this year. A far departure from my usual feelings
Especially this year which just off the top of my head, it seems like there are a lot of mediocre high major teams on the right side of the bubble which leaves out a fun team like UAB. Would much rather see them than watching a Clemson Wisconsin first four game.
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Especially this year which just off the top of my head, it seems like there are a lot of mediocre high major teams on the right side of the bubble which leaves out a fun team like UAB. Would much rather see them than watching a Clemson Wisconsin first four game.
I think this is correct. The bid stealers usually keep mid-major and low-major teams that stumble in conference tournaments out. This year, they’re keeping out mediocre majors.
This is probably wrong but I can live without a sub-top 50 KenPom major staying home
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Anyway...they are 2-1 in Q1+2, but if the teams they thought they scheduled had held their quadrants, they would be 5-1 in Q1+2 and locks for the NCAA Tournament regardless of what happens in the CAA. Instead, Va Tech, Davidson, Colorado State, Chattanooga and Richmond had comparably poor seasons and what Charleston tried to schedule didn't come to fruition. In the past, the NCAA has talked about scheduling intent, but this is one of the first really blatant trial balloons for that thought process.
I hope they'll have Marquette's scheduling intent in mind when assessing our games at Notre Dame and vs. Madison.
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I hope they'll have Marquette's scheduling intent in mind when assessing our games at Notre Dame and vs. Madison.
We definitely took a hit on our high majors. Even Georgia Tech you'd expect to be better than Q4. We almost got a boost from our buy games, as both Radford and NC Central were flirting with Q3, which would've been nice but not game-changing. For high-majors, I think it's less of a factor. But if they get left out, I will honestly feel really bad for Charleston. You schedule that many tourney teams and end up with most of them in Q3/4, that just sucks.
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I hope they'll have Marquette's scheduling intent in mind when assessing our games at Notre Dame and vs. Madison.
Why? Does scheduling losers from dumb schools help??
We do have some “names” we played that sucked it this year… those two, Georgia tech.. doesn’t help I know
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Garcia’s just as big a bum as the rest of them.
Just saw the box score from Badger-Gopher game on Sunday...Garcia played the full 40 minutes and had zero rebounds...how is that even possible?
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Just saw the box score from Badger-Gopher game on Sunday...Garcia played the full 40 minutes and had zero rebounds...how is that even possible?
Badgers don’t miss
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Ohio State is 13-18 and a 2 point favorite over Wisconsin tomorrow.
Come on Buckeyes, fricken end them.
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Hansel Emanuel contributing for Northwestern State. Google him.
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Hansel Emanuel contributing for Northwestern State. Google him.
I have been watching whole game so far, just for him. Was not aware, saw starting lineup and was amazed he starts, and gets significant time. What a story.
Pretty good defensively for sure
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Hansel Emanuel contributing for Northwestern State. Google him.
He's so hot right now.
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He's so hot right now.
You are quite the you-googly reader.
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Is there a higher likelihood Marquette may play at a certain time of day in the NCAAs or is it random? I may have to work both days of the first round without any access to watching so I'm hoping they may play in the evening
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Is there a higher likelihood Marquette may play at a certain time of day in the NCAAs or is it random? I may have to work both days of the first round without any access to watching so I'm hoping they may play in the evening
Sites are already set by date but game times are not.
I picked up a Saturday afternoon work responsibility after seeing that it was a pretty good bet MU goes to Columbus. But there's no way to predict tip times
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Bill Self will miss today’s game. I’ve heard from a friend in Kansas that he had a heart attack.
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Bill Self will miss today’s game. I’ve heard from a friend in Kansas that he had a heart attack.
That’s the rumor floating around
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Bill Self will miss today’s game. I’ve heard from a friend in Kansas that he had a heart attack.
https://voiceofmotown.com/report-kansas-head-coach-out-for-todays-game-against-west-virginia/
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Bill Self will miss today’s game. I’ve heard from a friend in Kansas that he had a heart attack.
If true I hope he is OK. Sports are great, but health is everything.
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Bill Self will miss today’s game. I’ve heard from a friend in Kansas that he had a heart attack.
Trying to get the sympathy vote for Coach of the Year
But more seriously I hope he's okay
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Trying to get the sympathy vote for Coach of the Year
But more seriously I hope he's okay
I truly hope he's okay. But it does kinda feel like the karma gods came down and touched Self.
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I truly hope he's okay. But it does kinda feel like the karma gods came down and touched Self.
When the Karma gods think about him they touch their Self
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Clemson adds a Q1 win in a punishing of NC State.
Are they gonna squeak themselves into the conversation?
4-3 in Q1.
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When the Karma gods think about him they touch their Self
LOL
Doesn't seem wrong Self and Wright both have 2 NCs? In no world is Self in the same class as Wright.
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Clemson adds a Q1 win in a punishing of NC State.
Are they gonna squeak themselves into the conversation?
4-3 in Q1.
They jumped the other bubble teams
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TCU up double d's on KSU. They will not be a 6 if they win this game.
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KSU should not be ahead of MU.
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TCU up double d's on KSU. They will not be a 6 if they win this game.
TCU win is perfect for us.
Eliminates any chance they are worse than a 5 seed(so we avoid them)
Also keeps Kstate behind us forsure.
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Conference tournaments no matta.
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TCU win is perfect for us.
Eliminates any chance they are worse than a 5 seed(so we avoid them)
Also keeps Kstate behind us forsure.
Agreed. Some might not be paying attention but I think this helps us tremendously. If they win I don't think we can fall from a #3.
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I’ve watched basketball all day today and the games have been fantastic.
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Agreed. Some might not be paying attention but I think this helps us tremendously. If they win I don't think we can fall from a #3.
I don’t think there was any chance of us falling to a 4.
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I don’t think there was any chance of us falling to a 4.
Agreed.
Kstate losing just helps us stay ahead of them for S curve purposes and the outside shot that we both run table to compete for a 2.
TCU win was the bigger one. Glad to have zero doubt that they are not gonna be on the 6 line. Good ass team.
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Agreed.
Kstate losing just helps us stay ahead of them for S curve purposes and the outside shot that we both run table to compete for a 2.
TCU win was the bigger one. Glad to have zero doubt that they are not gonna be on the 6 line. Good ass team.
Agreed. They are legit and also a really bad matchup. If we meet them in the E8, so be it but not a moment sooner.
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I know it doesn't make a huge difference but I see no way we do not get a #2 if we win the BEast tournament. I'm not so sure we don't get it if we win tonight. You have Houston, Kansas, UCLA, Bama, and now Texas that we're not going to pass. Most assume Purdue also can't drop to a #3. So let's say there are two spots open at the #2. There's Zona, Gonzaga, MU, and maybe Baylor and Tennessee? We're right there. A win tonight may very well be enough.
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I know it doesn't make a huge difference but I see no way we do not get a #2 if we win the BEast tournament. I'm not so sure we don't get it if we win tonight. You have Houston, Kansas, UCLA, Bama, and now Texas that we're not going to pass. Most assume Purdue also can't drop to a #3. So let's say there are two spots open at the #2. There's Zona, Gonzaga, MU, and maybe Baylor and Tennessee? We're right there. A win tonight may very well be enough.
Purdue is still a 1 seed likely, nowhere close to a 3 seed. Baylor and Arizona are the bottom 2s. Gonzaga may be ahead of us now
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Purdue is still a 1 seed likely, nowhere close to a 3 seed. Baylor and Arizona are the bottom 2s. Gonzaga may be ahead of us now
TAMU,
Does the seeding always follow the S-Curve exactly? I would be very surprised Baylor could be ahead of us if we win tonight. As for Purdue ? They have looked vulnerable and lost a lot of games down the stretch. Most brackets have them as a #2 right now and if they lose today there is no chance they'll be a number 1. I don't see them falling past a #2 but there are still two spots available.
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IMO, the top 12 teams are pretty well locked in at this point. Probably 16.
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From the Raleigh News-Observer:
The Tar Heels have no one to blame but themselves. They had four starters back from the team that made the national final in 2022, they were the preseason AP No. 1 in all of America and now they aren’t even going to make the field?!
That’s not only disappointing, it’s historically unprecedented. A preseason No. 1 hasn’t missed the tournament since the field expanded to 64 teams in 1985.
"I guess we really weren’t that good,” UNC’s Armando Bacot said in a disconsolate locker room at the Greensboro Coliseum.
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From the Raleigh News-Observer:
The Tar Heels have no one to blame but themselves. They had four starters back from the team that made the national final in 2022, they were the preseason AP No. 1 in all of America and now they aren’t even going to make the field?!
That’s not only disappointing, it’s historically unprecedented. A preseason No. 1 hasn’t missed the tournament since the field expanded to 64 teams in 1985.
"I guess we really weren’t that good,” UNC’s Armando Bacot said in a disconsolate locker room at the Greensboro Coliseum.
I for one won't miss them.
Is Hubie's head on the chopping block for missing NCAAs?
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Impressive stat: Somehow, UNC managed only one Q1 win all season!
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Impressive stat: Somehow, UNC managed only one Q1 win all season!
I think UNC fans would say unimpressive, but point taken.
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I for one won't miss them.
Is Hubie's head on the chopping block for missing NCAAs?
Not after last year, but the fans and admin won't forget.
He is for sure the Reverse COY though.
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TAMU,
Does the seeding always follow the S-Curve exactly? I would be very surprised Baylor could be ahead of us if we win tonight. As for Purdue ? They have looked vulnerable and lost a lot of games down the stretch. Most brackets have them as a #2 right now and if they lose today there is no chance they'll be a number 1. I don't see them falling past a #2 but there are still two spots available.
Always/Exactly? No. There can be weird instances where scheduling conflicts and other NCAAT rules force a team a spot lower or higher on the S-Curve. But as Brew wrote about recently, that actually benefits Purdue. UCLA may not be able to be a 1 seed because of a combination of scheduling issues and that may results in Purdue getting the 1 even if UCLA passes them on the S-Curve.
But outside those, yes, they follow the S-Curve when determining seeds. I think there are actually 0 2-seeds available at this point. However, let's go ahead and win the BET and hope for an Arizona loss so we can test that theoy.
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Thats a T at MSG
https://twitter.com/theCBBstories/status/1634250399556280320?t=APH5N2uokVfAkcuRwQTL0w&s=19
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Always/Exactly? No. There can be weird instances where scheduling conflicts and other NCAAT rules force a team a spot lower or higher on the S-Curve. But as Brew wrote about recently, that actually benefits Purdue. UCLA may not be able to be a 1 seed because of a combination of scheduling issues and that may results in Purdue getting the 1 even if UCLA passes them on the S-Curve.
But outside those, yes, they follow the S-Curve when determining seeds. I think there are actually 0 2-seeds available at this point. However, let's go ahead and win the BET and hope for an Arizona loss so we can test that theoy.
Just to be clear, I think the SEEDING almost always follows the Seed List exactly. That is, the top 4 teams on the Seed List are the 1 seeds, numbers 5-8 are the 2 seeds, and so forth.
But, as far as placement in the bracket, the S Curve does not follow the seed list exactly. In other words, it is not a given that number 5 on the seed list will be in the same region as number 4 or that number 8 will be in the same region as number 1. Those placements are affected by geographic considerations (trying to keep teams as close to home as possible) and conference considerations (keeping teams from the same conference from meeting too early in the tournament or having top 4 seeds from the same conference from being in the same region) That’s just another reason why being number 8 or number 9 on the seed list makes very little difference in terms of a more favorable draw. The main difference is the “bragging right” of saying “we’re a 2 seed”.
This season is going to present a number of placement challenges because the Big 12 is likely to have 4 teams in the top 4 seeds and those teams will have to be in different regions. Same for the 3 teams from the Big East that seem to be headed for top 4 seeds.
The video on the NCAA site describing placing teams in the bracket for a hypothetical tournament really highlights the challenges.
Here is a link to the site that includes that video:
https://www.ncaa.com/news/basketball-men/article/2023-03-09/how-field-68-di-mens-teams-picked-march-madness-each-season
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Purdue may be the worst team I’ve ever seen in terms of handling full court pressure.
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These big 10 refs giving Purdue alllll the calls. Yikes. Makes me feel better about BE refs
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Not after last year, but the fans and admin won't forget.
He is for sure the Reverse COY though.
Is Davis UNC's version of Kevin Ollie at UCONN? Riding the tailwinds of the HoF coach to a good NCAA run and exposed as time moves on?
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Is Davis UNC's version of Kevin Ollie at UCONN? Riding the tailwinds of the HoF coach to a good NCAA run and exposed as time moves on?
I don't know if Davis will be successful, but I don't think so. Davis spent 5-6 years as one of the lead CBB analysts at ESPN, he watched and studied CBB full time. Then he spent a decade as an assistant under Roy Williams. Assisting on A LOT of great teams.
Meanwhile, Ollie spent only 2 years there as Calhoun was on the way out due to health reasons, then got the gig. The experience levels and duration are wildly different.
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Haven’t watched a ton of Duke this year, but Filipowski is REALLY damn good. Beyond smooth for his size
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I don't know if Davis will be successful, but I don't think so. Davis spent 5-6 years as one of the lead CBB analysts at ESPN, he watched and studied CBB full time. Then he spent a decade as an assistant under Roy Williams. Assisting on A LOT of great teams.
Meanwhile, Ollie spent only 2 years there as Calhoun was on the way out due to health reasons, then got the gig. The experience levels and duration are wildly different.
Hey man, a lot of guys spend a decade plus as an assistant.
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Hey man, a lot of guys spend a decade plus as an assistant.
Oh it wasn’t meant to be an endorsement of Davis or that he’s gonna be successful at UNC, just highlighting the differences between him and Ollie.
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Oh it wasn’t meant to be an endorsement of Davis or that he’s gonna be successful at UNC, just highlighting the differences between him and Ollie.
It was a joke.
Wojo spent over a decade as an assistant. :D
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Bill Walton is high again on the call
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Set your DVR's. It's conceivable Crean and Wojo will be doing Marquette highlights in a few mins.
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Set your DVR's. It's conceivable Crean and Wojo will be doing Marquette highlights in a few mins.
Just saw it - Crean did all the talking and was very complimentary. Would’ve loved to have seen Wojo’s demeanor during the clips.
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Crean with an MU mention as a potential #2 seed. ESPN doesn't show either the score or the highlights of the MU/UCONN game. Cowardly and unprepared network. Wojo is unwatchable and gutwrenchingly poor as an analyst. He sounds like he's reading a teleprompter and kind of like he's a grade school kid that was called to the front of the class.
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Purdue is still a 1 seed likely, nowhere close to a 3 seed. Baylor and Arizona are the bottom 2s. Gonzaga may be ahead of us now
F' that Purdue is a 1 seed...
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Vanderbilt had been searching for signs of life after some early season injuries and adversity. Liam Robbins got healthy. And, few things are Better Than Ezra at the end of a game. They’re not too sure and not too proud to say it was good.
https://twitter.com/sec/status/1627152128279027713?s=46&t=SHiXWVBi3M_pBBF1SMJoAg
Searching for signs of life. Few things Better Than Ezra right now. 25 more points. Doing it without their best player too. Have won 10 of 11. 13 SEC wins. Memorial Magic, 2 miles down the road.
They get another chance today vs Buzz.
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Higher seed?
MU in the NCAA tournament vs Wisky's NIT seed?
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This is a very entertaining A-10 Final.
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Agreed. I know only the winner will probably be getting in but both Dayton and VCU look like tourney teams today
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Sacrilegious take I know, but I would rather see both of these teams in instead of the 9th team from the Big 10.
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Fun watching the NCAA life draining from the Dayton fans.
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Fun watching the NCAA life draining from the Dayton fans.
ABD
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Fun watching the NCAA life draining from the Dayton fans.
It more flew out of them.
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I would have zero interest in playing Memphis if I’m a 1 seed in round 2
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Woah - did you guys see crean and Wojo together on espn ?
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Woah - did you guys see crean and Wojo together on espn ?
I like the part at Halftime for Ivy game that they had to talk about TK and Marquette.
Crean took the lead and was very complimentary
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I like the part at Halftime for Ivy game that they had to talk about TK and Marquette.
Crean took the lead and was very complimentary
Crean has taken the lead for all Marquette segments. The dude genuinely loves Marquette.
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Crean has made his peace with MU. Probably still a little raw for Wojo.
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Probably still a little raw for Wojo.
He's watching kids he recruited accomplish everything he could never sniff.
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Crean has made his peace with MU. Probably still a little raw for Wojo.
Crean also left voluntarily.
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All contributing factors to what I said.
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it would be awesome if Purdue loses this game.
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not sure why Penn St called a timeout with
3.3 seconds left. That allowed Edey to get in the game. Should have had Pickett drive to the basket.
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ABD
what’s the brief background on why Dayton is so hated here?
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what’s the brief background on why Dayton is so hated here?
UDPride
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UDPride
More Specifically:
https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?action=profile;area=showposts;u=2479
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Thank you for that.
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what’s the brief background on why Dayton is so hated here?
Mine stems from them getting to host the conference tournaments every year when we were in the same conference. I don’t know if it is even true anymore since it was so long ago, but I’d rather just hold a grudge than confirm it’s true
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Wasn’t sure where else to post this (or if it’s already being talked about in another thread) but UNC turned down an NIT invite. Their decision is being lambasted by pretty much everybody, their fans included. Gotta love the arrogance of them not making the dance and still trying to act like they’re better than everybody.
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Wasn’t sure where else to post this (or if it’s already being talked about in another thread) but UNC turned down an NIT invite. Their decision is being lambasted by pretty much everybody, their fans included. Gotta love the arrogance of them not making the dance and still trying to act like they’re better than everybody.
Wonder if all those rumors this season are true and Hubert’s just pulling the plug on the season and moving on.
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Wonder if all those rumors this season are true and Hubert’s just pulling the plug on the season and moving on.
I missed those rumors. What was it, locker room strife?
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What happened to that leaked thing which stated Wisky made the tournament?
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3 seed Wisconsin vs 6 seed Wardle and Bradley in the NIT.
Winner would get Villanova in all likelihood.
Revealed by Crean and Wojo. Fantastic haha
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3 seed Wisconsin vs 6 seed Wardle and Bradley in the NIT.
Winner would get Villanova in all likelihood.
Revealed by Crean and Wojo. Fantastic haha
It really was hah
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More Specifically:
https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?action=profile;area=showposts;u=2479
Boy that aged well
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We all know that if Antoine Davis would have broken the scoring record last night, it would have come with one of the biggest asterisks ever for a sports record. A great accomplishment, to be sure, but with a huge asterisk.
How much more worse will it be if Detroit actually pays $50,000 to participate in the CBI to get Davis another game? Hopefully they won't get the invite...but I suspect that they will.
Update. The CBI had conversations with the Detroit athletic director last week. They had a donor lined up to pay the $27,500 entry fee.
And then never got the invite.
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Apparently they could go to the "PS8" tourney?
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/35847702/detroit-mercy-not-cbi-antoine-davis-3-short-scoring-mark
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Looks like the PS8 is another year from happening.
https://www.collegehoopsps8.com/
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Update. The CBI had conversations with the Detroit athletic director last week. They had a donor lined up to pay the $27,500 entry fee.
And then never got the invite.
That’s kind of wild. Why wouldn’t the CBI want them? The record alone would draw a few eye balls.
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That’s kind of wild. Why wouldn’t the CBI want them? The record alone would draw a few eye balls.
Are CBI games all televised?
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My guess is that the Horizon League wouldn't be thrilled to have Milwaukee or Cleveland State sitting at home, while their conference mate with an overall losing record goes instead.
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Are CBI games all televised?
I thought I heard they were on Flo Sports, which is subscription/pay to watch model. Honestly, I think the view of Davis is "you had the chance to do it organically, now the only way you get there is by forcing it" and people just aren't as excited. If it was going to be on FS2 or the Ocho where people could watch, maybe they'd tune in, but no one is shelling out cash to watch a guy get a couple buckets and probably lose anyway.
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I'm pleased that Detroit Mercy isn't going to be in the CBI. Antoine Davis should be proud of his college career and his accomplishments, but I'm glad he's not going to pass Maravich for the total points record.
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I'm pleased that Detroit Mercy isn't going to be in the CBI. Antoine Davis should be proud of his college career and his accomplishments, but I'm glad he's not going to pass Maravich for the total points record.
1000%. Regardless of how he got there or the 5 seasons asterisk, he's a heck of a scorer and had a historic career. A sub .500 team that finished 8th in a conference thats tourney winner is a 16 see, that isn't even in the top 200 in the NET, has no business playing any sort of post season basketball. To do so would have been a total sham.
As for Crean, Ive said it before but bears repeating even more next to Wojo, he's VERY good at TV. Both in studio and as a color guy. I hope he doesn't take one of these mediocre jobs he's been rumored for and sticks with TV, cause I think he can become one of the better analysts for ESPN or Fox.
And hearing him glowingly talk about MU is great. Even without his appearances at MU events, its clear that he left MU as an arrogant coach in his early 40s who made the F4 before he turned 40, recruited an under the radar player who became a lottery pick, and got his school a HUGE promotion in conference. His substantial ego was visible from space. 15 years later, he's got a lot more perspective, he's much more humble, and clearly appreciates what he left. Besides how he speaks about MU, the last 3-4 years at UGA he was way more engaging and enjoyable and real in interviews and video clips. His interactions with the Pardon My Take guys were awesome. He was/is far more comfortable with himself. Thats part of the reason I also hope he stays with TV, he's a great ambassador and proponent of MU going forward. If not TV, I'm more than enthused and very intrigued with the idea of him taking over for Scholl.
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If not TV, I'm more than enthused and very intrigued with the idea of him taking over for Scholl.
No thank you. I’ve got no issue with Crean, but Marquette is way past the point where it should be hiring people who have no prior experience for important positions. Coaching experience does not qualify someone to be AD for a high major.
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Mike Lucas is a total clown.
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No thank you. I’ve got no issue with Crean, but Marquette is way past the point where it should be hiring people who have no prior experience for important positions. Coaching experience does not qualify someone to be AD for a high major.
Yeah it’s not a good idea at all. Outside of his enthusiasm, I can’t think of many reasons why he should be considered anyway.
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No thank you. I’ve got no issue with Crean, but Marquette is way past the point where it should be hiring people who have no prior experience for important positions. Coaching experience does not qualify someone to be AD for a high major.
Fine, let me rephrase, I’d be intrigued with him as an associate AD. Marketing, promotion, politicking, fundraising, all skills he has in abundance. He was better at the marketing/promotion/administrative aspect of HC than he was at actually being a coach.
And the list of major college ADs who went from coaching to associate AD and then to AD is quite long.
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If any version of this ASU team shows up on Friday, TCU will have their hands full