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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: brewcity77 on October 23, 2022, 08:42:23 AM
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On paper, Baylor looks like they'll be a complete nightmare when they come to Milwaukee in late November. While they begin the season in the top-10 of seemingly every poll and metric, they do start the year with a number of players coming off injury, so how healthy they are will likely determine how far they go. Cracked Sidewalks digs into the national title contender whose hopes hinge on health.
https://www.crackedsidewalks.com/2022/10/baylor-preview-2022-23.html
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On paper, Baylor looks like they'll be a complete nightmare when they come to Milwaukee in late November. While they begin the season in the top-10 of seemingly every poll and metric, they do start the year with a number of players coming off injury, so how healthy they are will likely determine how far they go. Cracked Sidewalks digs into the national title contender whose hopes hinge on health.
https://www.crackedsidewalks.com/2022/10/baylor-preview-2022-23.html
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Yeah, else season is a failure.
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If we can’t beat Radford, how the hell would we beat Baylor?
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If we can’t beat Radford, how the hell would we beat Baylor?
Exactly
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The bigger they are, the harder they fall.
There is no try, only do
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Warriors will win.
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If we can’t beat Radford, how the hell would we beat Baylor?
C'mon, stop moping.
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Checking in on Baylor this afternoon.
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That's an error. The final score was 117-53. MSVU score 21 points at halftime. Still, a ridiculous score.
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First games are tricky.
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First games are tricky.
Too your point. The MU women didn’t think so!
Also that Baylor final was 117-53 and that does not in any way take away from your point either.
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That's an error. The final score was 117-53. MSVU score 21 points at halftime. Still, a ridiculous score.
That makes it a little better. Safe to assume Baylor covered either way lol.
That's a true top 5 team. Hopefully MU can catch em early enough to where they are still trying to iron a few things out.
Good early season test!
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First games are tricky.
How many Pittsburgh transfers does MVSU have ?
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We received a vote in USA/ESPN Poll.
Looking forward to the game.
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We received a vote in USA/ESPN Poll.
Looking forward to the game.
Share link to rankings please. Not seeing it updated yet.
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https://sports.yahoo.com/college-basketball/rankings/
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https://sports.yahoo.com/college-basketball/rankings/
Those are still last weeks rankings, fwiw. No way UNC stays at #1. Purdue also hasn't shot up yet. Rankings should look a good bit different than those.
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We received a vote in USA/ESPN Poll.
Looking forward to the game.
Yes. and Baylor is getting the 7th most votes.
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Great opportunity for Marquette to receive more votes.
Could this be our Illinois game last season?
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Great opportunity for Marquette to receive more votes.
Could this be our Illinois game last season?
More important will MU be ranked 26 or 27
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More important will MU be ranked 26 or 27
I think 38.
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HUGE week. Need the crowds' energy to match the importance of this week.
Based on early returns, it looks like Baylor is still consensus Top 10 and UW is receiving a handful of Top 25 votes.
Massive, massive week in Milwaukee and this is exactly what we hope for! Huge games on our home floor with a young team looking to gain valuable experience.
Find a way!
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There are loads of tickets on sale on StubHub for tomorrow's game against #6 Baylor for anywhere between $2 and $8.
Is this fanbase dead?
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There are loads of tickets on sale on StubHub for tomorrow's game against #6 Baylor for anywhere between $2 and $8.
Is this fanbase dead?
Dead? No. We have some of the best attendance in college basketball. We play in a massive arena and attendance at college basketball games is down across the nation.
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Dead? No. We have some of the best attendance in college basketball. We play in a massive arena and attendance at college basketball games is down across the nation.
Attendance was listed at around 12,500 for Chicago State. There is no chance the real number was even close to that. Attendance numbers can be inflated.
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There are loads of tickets on sale on StubHub for tomorrow's game against #6 Baylor for anywhere between $2 and $8.
Is this fanbase dead?
It's a Tuesday in December. They got about 14,000 for the Illinois game last year. My guess is that it will be around that, though Baylor won't have the local draw that Illinois would.
It would help if Marquette marketed these a little more aggressively.
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Attendance was listed at around 12,500 for Chicago State. There is no chance the real number was even close to that. Attendance numbers can be inflated.
Like every other school, it is based on tickets sold.
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There are loads of tickets on sale on StubHub for tomorrow's game against #6 Baylor for anywhere between $2 and $8.
Is this fanbase dead?
We were up against three state schools in Florida, with two of them in adjoining states. MU's enrollment is 50%-100%+ LESS. Not only did MU sell out its allotment, it had more fans than those three state schools combined.
Now if the Scoop cord cutting fans would only show up tomorrow...we might have something.
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Attendance was listed at around 12,500 for Chicago State. There is no chance the real number was even close to that. Attendance numbers can be inflated.
I'm aware. But all schools inflate their attendance numbers in similar ways. Watch home games for other non top 15 programs and you will see that our attendance is still among the best in the business. Hell, Texas is arguably the top team in the country and they had to put tarps over the entire upper deck of their 15,000 seat arena for their matchup with #2 (at the time) Gonzaga. The problem is that attendance is down nationwide.
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We were up against three state schools in Florida, with two of them in adjoining states. MU's enrollment is 50%-100%+ LESS. Not only did MU sell out its allotment, it had more fans than those three state schools combined.
Now if the Scoop cord cutting fans would only show up tomorrow...we might have something.
The MU travel fanbase is insanely good. Can't wait to see how many go to Notre Dame. It's going to be a ton.
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There are loads of tickets on sale on StubHub for tomorrow's game against #6 Baylor for anywhere between $2 and $8.
Is this fanbase dead?
I'm travelling in from Colorado (weather permitting) tomorrow afternoon and planning to snatch up one of those cheap tix for tomorrow night, I've already secured a lower level ticket for the game against that State school on Saturday, lots of tickets still available on secondary market for that one too!
Hope to see some Scoopers and some good B-Ball being played ;)
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MU hasn't lost a game where the tempo was over 66. Baylor plays at 71. A good match-up test game for the Warriors versus those slog fights against MSU and Purdue (who both struggled against MU, it wasn't just one way).
Strength on strength for once in this litmus test battle. Should be fun.
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We were up against three state schools in Florida, with two of them in adjoining states. MU's enrollment is 50%-100%+ LESS. Not only did MU sell out its allotment, it had more fans than those three state schools combined.
Now if the Scoop cord cutting fans would only show up tomorrow...we might have something.
I flew home to WI from Ft Myers on Thanksgiving afternoon. No more than 60 folks on the flight…I’d say 50-ish were MU fans…and just as important, no 1992 Rose Bowl sweatshirt-wearing Walmart Badger fans in sight. Perfect.
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I flew home to WI from Ft Myers on Thanksgiving afternoon. No more than 60 folks on the flight…I’d say 50-ish were MU fans…and just as important, no 1992 Rose Bowl sweatshirt-wearing Walmart Badger fans in sight. Perfect.
Perfect indeed. Btw, there were more MU Ricans there than GT fans. Ron travels.
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Marquette is only +5.5 right now.
Seems pretty laughable. Baylor has ELITE scorers. Makes me think they'll be favored by about 3 on Saturday.
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Marquette is only +5.5 right now.
Seems pretty laughable. Baylor has ELITE scorers. Makes me think they'll be favored by about 3 on Saturday.
Shaka is 60% as a dog. When we’re 7-8 point underdogs, the market, so far this year, has seemed to bet Marquette lines 1-2 points closer than they seem to be.
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Marquette is only +5.5 right now.
Seems pretty laughable. Baylor has ELITE scorers. Makes me think they'll be favored by about 3 on Saturday.
Maybe you just don’t really know what you’re talking about?
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Marquette is only +5.5 right now.
Seems pretty laughable. Baylor has ELITE scorers. Makes me think they'll be favored by about 3 on Saturday.
Uhh...Baylor doesn't have a game on Saturday. And we play them tomorrow. This is nonsensical.
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Uhh...Baylor doesn't have a game on Saturday. And we play them tomorrow. This is nonsensical.
Huh?
Marquette plays Baylor tomorrow? That's some groundbreaking insight.
That's why I said they are +5.5
That leads me to believe they will be favored on Saturday against UW.
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Perfect indeed. Btw, there were more MU Ricans there than GT fans. Ron travels.
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Huh?
Marquette plays Baylor tomorrow? That's some groundbreaking insight.
That's why I said they are +5.5
That leads me to believe they will be favored on Saturday against UW.
I don't like this match-up for MU. IMHO, Baylor is a better version of MU right now...and where MU wants to be in the next year or two. I'd rather play a Purdue.
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Baptism by fire. Go Marquette! Get it done!
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I don't like this match-up for MU. IMHO, Baylor is a better version of MU right now...and where MU wants to be in the next year or two. I'd rather play a Purdue.
I agree with this, though worse teams can beat the better versions of themselves. I think MU probably loses this game 7 out of 10 times (worse on a neutral court or on the road) but it tonight happens to be one of the three it's not like we have to play them again.
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I agree with this, though worse teams can beat the better versions of themselves. I think MU probably loses this game 7 out of 10 times (worse on a neutral court or on the road) but it tonight happens to be one of the three it's not like we have to play them again.
I just hope it is not a blow out. Even though we lost I enjoyed both the State and Purdue games. Hopefully we can keep it together in the last minutes. Not sure how much home court will help putting us on the winning side of the ledger this time.
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The Wojo stain will be extremely hard to rub off of this program. Shaka has taken steps in the right direction with a tourney bid Year 1 and a competitive team that looks to at least be on the bubble Year 2, but there is little to no patience with the average fan. We were told "just wait" for almost a decade while mediocrity reigned supreme; no one is interested in "just waiting" anymore. We need a ranked team. We need to be relevant in Maui next year. We need to win some tournament games.
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I don't like this match-up for MU. IMHO, Baylor is a better version of MU right now...and where MU wants to be in the next year or two. I'd rather play a Purdue.
I don't like either of these matchups for Marquette this week and for a team that has struggled to close against good teams, I expect similar results in both games this week.
Baylor by 10+
UW by 2 possessions
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Just got tickets for tonight and will be driving up from Chicago. Seemed like too good of a deal to pass up and watch the best test of our team thus far.
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I don't like either of these matchups for Marquette this week and for a team that has struggled to close against good teams, I expect similar results in both games this week.
Baylor by 10+
UW by 2 possessions
So if we filter that through your lose by 3 to Georgia Tech predication, we are going to beat Baylor by 20+ and UW by at least 24 ;D
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So if we filter that through your lose by 3 to Georgia Tech predication, we are going to beat Baylor by 20+ and UW by at least 24 ;D
Pretty sure he’s said we’re going to lose every game
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So if we filter that through your lose by 3 to Georgia Tech predication, we are going to beat Baylor by 20+ and UW by at least 24 ;D
If that's what you want to believe. Marquette has high level effort, but they seem to be missing quite a bit in terms of being a real team that matters.
I predicted 16-15 this season and I think thats right about where they'll end up, as my preseason predictions are still a perfect 6 for 6. Preseason I picked MU to beat UW, if I could change that now I would after watching 3 weeks of hoops.
Baylor is a significant level ahead of MU and though UW may not be, they are better at winning.
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The Wojo stain will be extremely hard to rub off of this program. Shaka has taken steps in the right direction with a tourney bid Year 1 and a competitive team that looks to at least be on the bubble Year 2, but there is little to no patience with the average fan. We were told "just wait" for almost a decade while mediocrity reigned supreme; no one is interested in "just waiting" anymore. We need a ranked team. We need to be relevant in Maui next year. We need to win some tournament games.
Why will the "Wojo stain be extremely hard to rub off this program?"
Iowa State went from being 0-18 in the Big 12 Prohm's last year to the Sweet Sixteen Otzelberger's first year.
Texas Tech went from being 3-15 in the Big 12 Tubby's second last year to finishing 2nd in the Big 12 Chris Beard's second year.
Alabama went from being 9th in the SEC each of Avery Johnson's last 2 season to winning the SEC in Nate Oats's second year.
LSU went from being 2-16 in Johnny Jones's last year to winning the SEC in Will Wade's second year.
Oklahoma State went from being 3-15 in Travis Ford's last year to being a Tourney team in Brad Underwood's one season there.
TCU was horrendous for years and a Tournament team year 2 under Jamie Dixon.
Steve Alford was bad by UCLA standards and Mick Cronin finished 2nd in the Pac 12 his first year.
Nevada was horrible under David Carter and Muss turned them around overnight.
With NIL and immediate eligibility for transfers, it's never been easier to turn a program around quickly. Good coaches can coach.
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Why will the "Wojo stain be extremely hard to rub off this program?"
Iowa State went from being 0-18 in the Big 12 Prohm's last year to the Sweet Sixteen Otzelberger's first year.
Texas Tech went from being 3-15 in the Big 12 Tubby's second last year to finishing 2nd in the Big 12 Chris Beard's second year.
Alabama went from being 9th in the SEC each of Avery Johnson's last 2 season to winning the SEC in Nate Oats's second year.
LSU went from being 2-16 in Johnny Jones's last year to winning the SEC in Will Wade's second year.
Oklahoma State went from being 3-15 in Travis Ford's last year to being a Tourney team in Brad Underwood's one season there.
TCU was horrendous for years and a Tournament team year 2 under Jamie Dixon.
Steve Alford was bad by UCLA standards and Mick Cronin finished 2nd in the Pac 12 his first year.
Nevada was horrible under David Carter and Muss turned them around overnight.
With NIL and immediate eligibility for transfers, it's never been easier to turn a program around quickly. Good coaches can coach.
Have any of them gone the last 10 seasons without a tournament win?
Maybe not the best, but arguably the most exciting team we've had the past 10 seasons was eliminated in the NIT Semifinal.
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Why will the "Wojo stain be extremely hard to rub off this program?"
Iowa State went from being 0-18 in the Big 12 Prohm's last year to the Sweet Sixteen Otzelberger's first year.
Texas Tech went from being 3-15 in the Big 12 Tubby's second last year to finishing 2nd in the Big 12 Chris Beard's second year.
Alabama went from being 9th in the SEC each of Avery Johnson's last 2 season to winning the SEC in Nate Oats's second year.
LSU went from being 2-16 in Johnny Jones's last year to winning the SEC in Will Wade's second year.
Oklahoma State went from being 3-15 in Travis Ford's last year to being a Tourney team in Brad Underwood's one season there.
TCU was horrendous for years and a Tournament team year 2 under Jamie Dixon.
Steve Alford was bad by UCLA standards and Mick Cronin finished 2nd in the Pac 12 his first year.
Nevada was horrible under David Carter and Muss turned them around overnight.
With NIL and immediate eligibility for transfers, it's never been easier to turn a program around quickly. Good coaches can coach.
I agree with the sentiment for sure. However, including Will Wade definitely tarnishes the point on the "coach" part. $$$$$$$$ turned LSU around.
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I agree with the sentiment for sure. However, including Will Wade definitely tarnishes the point on the "coach" part. $$$$$$$$ turned LSU around.
And $$$$$$$$$ can now be used above the table.
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Have any of them gone the last 10 seasons without a tournament win?
Maybe not the best, but arguably the most exciting team we've had the past 10 seasons was eliminated in the NIT Semifinal.
That has nothing to do with what Wades said. Absolutely zero.
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That has nothing to do with what Wades said. Absolutely zero.
Except it does. He's talking about getting rid of the Wojo stain. The stain has done noticeable damage to the fanbase. The last 10 years have been not fun. Some of our most exciting basketball during the Wojo era was an NIT run.
All those other teams have overcome their "stains" by winning in March. We haven't won a tournament game in 10 seasons and it doesn't necessarily look like that drought ends this year. That's the counter.
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Except it does. He's talking about getting rid of the Wojo stain. The stain has done noticeable damage to the fanbase. The last 10 years have been not fun. Some of our most exciting basketball during the Wojo era was an NIT run.
Has nothing to do with what Wades said about other programs having great success in year two.
I guess Marquette is the only one of those mentioned that had to overcome a “stain”.
Idiots
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That says more about the MU fanbase than it does the program.
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That says more about the MU fanbase than it does the program.
Bingo
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That says more about the MU fanbase than it does the program.
Maybe so.
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I don't like either of these matchups for Marquette this week and for a team that has struggled to close against good teams, I expect similar results in both games this week.
Baylor by 10+
UW by 2 possessions
Will MU ever win a game again?
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Will MU ever win a game again?
Yes. They will go 16 and 15. If I could swap preseason picks I'd change UW to an L and Notre Dame to a W.
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https://twitter.com/marquettembb/status/1597655406398029826?s=61&t=5bR1hZp14ScDzQ16sWOghg
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Yes. They will go 16 and 15. If I could swap preseason picks I'd change UW to an L and Notre Dame to a W.
COLE
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I don't like either of these matchups for Marquette this week and for a team that has struggled to close against good teams, I expect similar results in both games this week.
Baylor by 10+
UW by 2 possessions
You havent liked a match up all season
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You havent liked a match up all season
I like the matchups against NCCU and Notre Dame.
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Pretty sure he’s said we’re going to lose every game
Are we sure they is a he?
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Why will the "Wojo stain be extremely hard to rub off this program?"
Iowa State went from being 0-18 in the Big 12 Prohm's last year to the Sweet Sixteen Otzelberger's first year.
Texas Tech went from being 3-15 in the Big 12 Tubby's second last year to finishing 2nd in the Big 12 Chris Beard's second year.
Alabama went from being 9th in the SEC each of Avery Johnson's last 2 season to winning the SEC in Nate Oats's second year.
LSU went from being 2-16 in Johnny Jones's last year to winning the SEC in Will Wade's second year.
Oklahoma State went from being 3-15 in Travis Ford's last year to being a Tourney team in Brad Underwood's one season there.
TCU was horrendous for years and a Tournament team year 2 under Jamie Dixon.
Steve Alford was bad by UCLA standards and Mick Cronin finished 2nd in the Pac 12 his first year.
Nevada was horrible under David Carter and Muss turned them around overnight.
With NIL and immediate eligibility for transfers, it's never been easier to turn a program around quickly. Good coaches can coach.
Watching Purdue, I can see how good of a coach Matt Painter is. Watching North Carolina, Kentucky and Alabama I see coaches who win by having a lot of talent. MU has less talent than all of these teams. Watching how often Jones and Joplin throw up questionable shots, I am not sure Shaka is a good offensive coach.
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If we keep this to within 10 I'll be happy.
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That says more about the MU fanbase than it does the program.
Why must you always speak from this place of cringey sanctimoniousness.
"MU fans don't have the stomach to endure 10 years of painful mediocrity then turn around and sell out an NBA arena on a Tuesdsay night for another mediocre-looking squad? Bad fans! Except for me, Tower, who is one of the goodest fans! So good, in fact, that I wanted to keep the currently unemployed Steve Wojo indefinitely! More fans should be like me!"
The program is obligated to excite its fanbase, not the other way around - never misunderstand that point.
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King of the MOPES. Woe is me. My alma mater's basketball team is not meeting my expectations. And my self worth is tied up in the performance of young student athletes I don't know. It is MU's obligation to perform like I want them to and therefore validate and enhance my sense if self worth.
And anybody who says differently isn't a real fan.
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King of the MOPES. Woe is me. My alma mater's basketball team is not meeting my expectations. And my self worth is tied up in the performance of young student athletes I don't know. It is MU's obligation to perform like I want them to and therefore validate and enhance my sense if self worth.
And anybody who says differently isn't a real fan.
I don't think you understood my post at all. I'm justifying the lack of enthusiasm of the fanbase, generally. In terms that may be easier for you to understand - "I get it". Casual fans owe the basketball program nothing.
Continue to project, as you do.
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Speaking of not getting it. I have been far less critical of Shaka than I was of Wojo during the same stretch of his stay at MU.
I wanted him to succeed. I want every coach at MU to succeed. His success was MU's success.
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The fanbase is fine. People need to stop worrying about such nonsense.
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Why must you always speak from this place of cringey sanctimoniousness.
"MU fans don't have the stomach to endure 10 years of painful mediocrity then turn around and sell out an NBA arena on a Tuesdsay night for another mediocre-looking squad? Bad fans! Except for me, Tower, who is one of the goodest fans! So good, in fact, that I wanted to keep the currently unemployed Steve Wojo indefinitely! More fans should be like me!"
The program is obligated to excite its fanbase, not the other way around - never misunderstand that point.
The program hired a proven coach who has had success and has brought a style of basketball to Marquette that is exciting, new and part of a plan.
If the casual fan isn’t excited about it, then the casual fan can go pound sand at this point.
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Speaking of not getting it. I have been far less critical of Shaka than I was of Wojo during the same stretch of his stay at MU.
I wanted him to succeed. I want every coach at MU to succeed. His success was MU's success.
He hasn’t given too much to criticize quite yet. Meanwhile Wojo almost went 0fer in a bad Big East.
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I have a very good feeling about the game tonight. I’m going with MU by 7.
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He hasn’t given too much to criticize quite yet. Meanwhile Wojo almost went 0fer in a bad Big East.
This is the worst Big East season since reformation
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I have a very good feeling about the game tonight. I’m going with MU by 7.
Like it Goose...can't say I predict a W but I took MU +6.5, also did a $500 prop bet on Kam Jones at +106 to make 2.5+ 3 point shots.
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Elon
I love the fact we have played a tough road game, guys got a lot of minutes on Saturday and Shaka should have a good game plan for Baylor. This team is better than they were a year ago and I think the boys will be ready.
I like your two plays tonight.
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This is the worst Big East season since reformation
Let’s see if Shaka can get more than 4 wins. I’ll take the over!
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Marquette is wearing George Thompson Warmups tonight and it appears that they are wearing the Championship Blues.
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Marquette is wearing George Thompson Warmups tonight and it appears that they are wearing the Championship Blues.
Nice - That's my favorite retro jersey of all time.
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Wrightsil OUT again.
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I am FLOORED. That was quite possibly the sexiest 1st half I have ever seen from a Marquette team.
Need a strong 2nd half to make it a sexy game.
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So if we filter that through your lose by 3 to Georgia Tech predication, we are going to beat Baylor by 20+ and UW by at least 24 ;D
Brother TAMU...I hope you are right on both accounts. What an absolute stomping. That was beautiful.
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Brother TAMU...I hope you are right on both accounts. What an absolute stomping. That was beautiful.
Don't address him as brother TAMU, it will be Mr. Wizard for you. Right brother TAMU.
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Brother TAMU...I hope you are right on both accounts. What an absolute stomping. That was beautiful.
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Don't address him as brother TAMU, it will be Mr. Wizard for you. Right brother TAMU.
LMAO
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Elon
I love the fact we have played a tough road game, guys got a lot of minutes on Saturday and Shaka should have a good game plan for Baylor. This team is better than they were a year ago and I think the boys will be ready.
I like your two plays tonight.
Great call Goose! Glad my Kam prop bets Kam through...attached! Such a great win on the night they honor George Thompson.
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Great win, Elon. Loved your Kam play.
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Maybe you just don’t really know what you’re talking about?
Bahahahahahahahhaa bump
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Great win, Elon. Loved your Kam play.
Considering Kam averages roughly 8 3PT attempts per game, and he hasn't shot it to his ability yet this year it seemed like a good wager. But, was getting a little nervous as he was sitting on 2 at the half and didn't hit the 3rd till 4:26 left in the game after he'd been riding the bench awhile.
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So if we filter that through your lose by 3 to Georgia Tech predication, we are going to beat Baylor by 20+ and UW by at least 24 ;D
What sort of wizardry was this calculation??!?!
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"For a while against Baylor, Marquette was the Marquette of Shaka Smart's wildest dreams.
But the staff talked patience earlier Tuesday for a reason.
Nights like that have to happen...but they also have to happen again and again."
I LOVE this quote. Nights like this have to happen again and again. Wojo got big wins, but immediately had let down games. Lost multiple times to Providence at home after beating Nova. Went on the road to beat #9 Creighton and then lost at home to Seton Hall. There are plenty more let down examples. Never were really able go successfully get to that next level.
That's the new challenge. Make yesterday the standard and not the final destination. Would love to see this team mirror that performance into another win on Saturday.