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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: Dr. Blackheart on October 18, 2022, 07:32:06 AM
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MU at #9. COLE
Creighton #1
https://www.bigeast.com/news/2022/10/17/mens-basketball-creighton-chosen-for-first-place-in-preseason-coaches-poll.aspx
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MU at #9. COLE
Nova #1
https://www.bigeast.com/news/2021/10/19/mens-basketball-villanova-tabbed-for-first-place-again-in-preseason-coaches-poll.aspx
…it’s the 2022-2023 season.
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Providence will surprise a lot of people. And finish much lower than 5th. Bynum isn’t the guy to carry a team like this.
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…it’s the 2022-2023 season.
Lol. Fixed. No MU players on any of the teams.
https://www.cincinnati.com/story/sports/college/xavier/xaviersports/2022/10/18/big-east-media-day-xavier-picked-second-two-first-team-selections/69565409007/
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Lol. Fixed. No MU players on any of the teams.
https://www.cincinnati.com/story/sports/college/xavier/xaviersports/2022/10/18/big-east-media-day-xavier-picked-second-two-first-team-selections/69565409007/
A lonely MUBB nation turns its eyes to Brian Wardle
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MU at #9. COLE
Creighton #1
https://www.bigeast.com/news/2022/10/17/mens-basketball-creighton-chosen-for-first-place-in-preseason-coaches-poll.aspx
7 years to judge, or maybe is better if we remain COLE, if Shaka becomes successful he will leave for a high major program.
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Same old, same old.
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Sure am glad we dodged the high expectations jinx.
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Same old, same old.
I knew we could count on you to show up for this thread and bitch. Same old, same old. At least you have not-so far-wondered why we were not picked last because "I haven't seen this team perform on the floor yet" like you did last year. I nominate you for president of the Mopes. Anyone second the motion?
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Per Matt St. Jean on Twitter:
"The quote of the day.
When asked how he felt about Marquette being picked to finish 9th in the Big East, Tyler Kolek only had two words:
"F--- 'em."
https://twitter.com/mattstdream/status/1582405744040648704?s=20&t=aRbzele8NgwUsyO5vtsjmw
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How will this impact our seeding?
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How will this impact our seeding?
I can see a 3 game suspension
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Per Matt St. Jean on Twitter:
https://twitter.com/mattstdream/status/1582405744040648704?s=20&t=aRbzele8NgwUsyO5vtsjmw
Ha! Love it! Makes you want to root for him and the team even more. Now back it up Tyler! Let’s finish first!
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Kolek is the backbone of this team. That tweet made my day.
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Kolek is the backbone of this team. That tweet made my day.
If he and the team can back that up by doing something special, that quote and Tyler will be legendary.
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Love it. Now back it up.
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I knew we could count on you to show up for this thread and bitch. Same old, same old. At least you have not-so far-wondered why we were not picked last because "I haven't seen this team perform on the floor yet" like you did last year. I nominate you for president of the Mopes. Anyone second the motion?
He's still mad that they don't teach the two-handed chest pass anymore.
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Per Matt St. Jean on Twitter:
https://twitter.com/mattstdream/status/1582405744040648704?s=20&t=aRbzele8NgwUsyO5vtsjmw
Sounds like something Travis Diener would say
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Sounds like something Travis Diener would say
That made me laugh.
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Sounds like something Travis Diener would say
But Travis would be drinking a Miller Lite
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Sounds like something Travis Diener would say
He reminds me of Travis Diener
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If you are going to be a man of few words, pick the right ones. Tyler did.
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Per Matt St. Jean on Twitter:
https://twitter.com/mattstdream/status/1582405744040648704?s=20&t=aRbzele8NgwUsyO5vtsjmw
Go out and kill 'em on the court, Tyler. Let 'em bring out the Maurice Lucas in you!
I like that kid!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Go out and kill 'em on the court, Tyler. Let 'em bring out the Maurice Lucas in you!
I like that kid!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Does not remind me at all of Lucas brother dgies
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Yeah, he's shorter, aina?
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Yeah, he's shorter, aina?
Why the attack on his height??
I agree with Kolek.
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His response was short, too.
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His response was short, too.
I'm short and I hate myself.
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But Travis would be drinking a Miller Lite
And hitting shots.
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I'm short and I hate myself.
Don't attack and loathe yourself. Things will be alright.
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I'm short and I hate myself.
C'mon! Short people do not hate themselves. That's just a tall tale that keeps going around.
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I'm short and I hate myself.
What you don't have in inches you make up for with rojo. Rejoice!
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No one expected much out of us last year.
Guess we can consistently prove them wrong.
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What you don't have in inches you make up for with rojo. Rejoice!
Thanks Doc, but tonight is cod & blanco
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the 2022-2023 Big East Preseason Poll
F--- 'em.
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Per Matt St. Jean on Twitter:
https://twitter.com/mattstdream/status/1582405744040648704?s=20&t=aRbzele8NgwUsyO5vtsjmw
What a bunch of mopes.
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Marquette’s new slogan for the 22-23 season!
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TK comment F**K em-
high hangin eephus pitch for some young entrepreneur
tee shirts, mugs(sorry muggsie) key chains, et.al.
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www.theresourcenexus.com/2022-2023-big-east-college-basketball-preview/
I hope TK doesn't see their take.
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www.theresourcenexus.com/2022-2023-big-east-college-basketball-preview/
I hope TK doesn't see their take.
Ouch. Definitely an outsider looking in. This would be the absolute worst case scenario (last place finish) and be a complete disaster of a season. Let’s hope these prognosticators are way off. Fu— Em!
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www.theresourcenexus.com/2022-2023-big-east-college-basketball-preview/
I hope TK doesn't see their take.
Well that was from 2 months ago, and they missed the highlight videos and our dismantling of LUC.
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Well that was from 2 months ago, and they missed the highlight videos and our dismantling of LUC.
We sticking to that dismantling of LUC story? Is there any truth to it?
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We sticking to that dismantling of LUC story? Is there any truth to it?
Should have used teal
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Should have used teal
No you shouldn't have.
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We sticking to that dismantling of LUC story? Is there any truth to it?
Yes. Haven't seen the box score, but Marquette won by about three touchdowns. Wasn't close.
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Yes. Haven't seen the box score, but Marquette won by about three touchdowns. Wasn't close.
So 10 wins this year, orrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr :P
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So 10 wins this year, orrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr :P
In the Big East? I'm taking the over.
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Yes. Haven't seen the box score, but Marquette won by about three touchdowns. Wasn't close.
Ok. Thanks. I wasn’t sure if people were just being sarcastic and really had no idea.
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In the Big East? I'm taking the over.
Wow. I’ll take it.
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Ouch. Definitely an outsider looking in. This would be the absolute worst case scenario (last place finish) and be a complete disaster of a season. Let’s hope these prognosticators are way off. Fu— Em!
If I had to wager, I’d bet this resourcenexus guy is either a bad sports gambler or a failed day-trader.
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www.theresourcenexus.com/2022-2023-big-east-college-basketball-preview/
I hope TK doesn't see their take.
May be an outside perspective, but its definitely fair to say Shaka's offseason was a snoozer; the roster probably deserves a bottom 3 pick. Let's hope Shaka shows a better job developing his talent than our last HC did.
Looking forward to the season!
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May be an outside perspective, but its definitely fair to say Shaka's offseason was a snoozer; the roster probably deserves a bottom 3 pick. Let's hope Shaka shows a better job developing his talent than our last HC did.
Looking forward to the season!
I agree that Coach Smart has put his chips on player development and culture.
Only thing to do now is wait and see.
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May be an outside perspective, but its definitely fair to say Shaka's offseason was a snoozer; the roster probably deserves a bottom 3 pick. Let's hope Shaka shows a better job developing his talent than our last HC did.
Looking forward to the season!
You were pretty negative at the onset of last season, and early season. Did last year's team exceed your expectations?
It's quite possible Shaka is very confident in the ability of last year's group to take a big step forward, and to not disrupt the development of the younger players on the roster - he felt pretty comfortable not adding additional grad transfers. I think we will likely be similar to last year's team, possibly even a notch better.
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Elon
I said months ago that I thought Shaka retaining the entire roster, minus Lewis, was very impressive. At that time, I said if any of the returning guys were new incoming transfers, we would have been excited to have them. My bar is higher going into this year than it was a year ago.
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Elon
I said months ago that I thought Shaka retaining the entire roster, minus Lewis, was very impressive. At that time, I said if any of the returning guys were new incoming transfers, we would have been excited to have them. My bar is higher going into this year than it was a year ago.
I agree Goose. That 9th place finish prediction is going to be harped on and used as motivation. I think we will see incredible effort from this team, and believe our 6-10 guys are as talented as any bench we've had in awhile.
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I knew we could count on you to show up for this thread and bitch. Same old, same old. At least you have not-so far-wondered why we were not picked last because "I haven't seen this team perform on the floor yet" like you did last year. I nominate you for president of the Mopes. Anyone second the motion?
Wow! You really make assumptions. The poll last year was a pretty gloomy assessment of the team and this year's assessment is no different. Same old, same old. No where in my comment did I say I agreed or disagreed. Do I expect the team to do better than what the other coaches in the league are saying, I certainly hope so; but the perception of the other coaches, not mine, is that Marquette will not be very good this season. The silver lining here is that it just may motivate the team to prove them wrong; it certainly has put a chip on Tyler's shoulders. Not even an honorable mention, wow!
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Elon
I said months ago that I thought Shaka retaining the entire roster, minus Lewis, was very impressive. At that time, I said if any of the returning guys were new incoming transfers, we would have been excited to have them. My bar is higher going into this year than it was a year ago.
This exactly. As a sophomore, Kam comes in with similar usage at higher efficiency than Lewis had. I expect him to be a better scoring option (not necessarily high point volume) than Justin was.
Transfers like Tyler tend to bounce back in terms of efficiency and scoring, and he's become the best distributor in the league.
I expect Oso and O-Max to be better versions of what Kur and O-Max were a year ago.
In general, people are looking too much at the prolific (but not very high efficiency) names we lost and not what we brought back. If you compare this year's roster with last year's at the same point in time, this year is better.
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Elon
I said months ago that I thought Shaka retaining the entire roster, minus Lewis, was very impressive. At that time, I said if any of the returning guys were new incoming transfers, we would have been excited to have them. My bar is higher going into this year than it was a year ago.
Agreed.
I agree Goose. That 9th place finish prediction is going to be harped on and used as motivation. I think we will see incredible effort from this team, and believe our 6-10 guys are as talented as any bench we've had in awhile.
Agreed.
This exactly. As a sophomore, Kam comes in with similar usage at higher efficiency than Lewis had. I expect him to be a better scoring option (not necessarily high point volume) than Justin was.
Transfers like Tyler tend to bounce back in terms of efficiency and scoring, and he's become the best distributor in the league.
I expect Oso and O-Max to be better versions of what Kur and O-Max were a year ago.
In general, people are looking too much at the prolific (but not very high efficiency) names we lost and not what we brought back. If you compare this year's roster with last year's at the same point in time, this year is better.
Agreed.
I also think the experienced coach we have is extremely helpful in terms of player development. I am not expecting a conference championship by any means, but I don't think we are sweating at all come Selection Sunday.
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If I had to wager, I’d bet this resourcenexus guy is either a bad sports gambler or a failed day-trader.
He is part of the COLE Patrol
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I said months ago that I thought Shaka retaining the entire roster, minus Lewis, was very impressive. At that time, I said if any of the returning guys were new incoming transfers, we would have been excited to have them. My bar is higher going into this year than it was a year ago.
We agree again. I've mentioned that I think anything other than an NCAAT appearance will have been a failure for this season's team (barring a series of injuries), and some thought I wasn't being fair or was being overly optimistic. I think it's very fair to expect success from a veteran group that has played together under a system, and I think Shaka and his guys will deliver it.
We Are Marquette!
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This exactly. As a sophomore, Kam comes in with similar usage at higher efficiency than Lewis had. I expect him to be a better scoring option (not necessarily high point volume) than Justin was.
Transfers like Tyler tend to bounce back in terms of efficiency and scoring, and he's become the best distributor in the league.
I expect Oso and O-Max to be better versions of what Kur and O-Max were a year ago.
In general, people are looking too much at the prolific (but not very high efficiency) names we lost and not what we brought back. If you compare this year's roster with last year's at the same point in time, this year is better.
I am going to subscribe to this as it matches my thoughts/expectations. If efficiency scales with more minutes for Kam that is going to do a lot from the scoring side. Moreover, Tyler bouncing back in terms of efficiency and scoring is probably the biggest help to the team overall--if they can't sag on him and he can keep people honest with 3pt and a mid range, then the floor opens up for Oso (who in his own right is more mobile than Kur).
O-Max is my wild card. He might just be a slightly better version than last year, but I think we see him come into his own this year when he puts it together on both sides of the floor.
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I am going to subscribe to this as it matches my thoughts/expectations. If efficiency scales with more minutes for Kam that is going to do a lot from the scoring side. Moreover, Tyler bouncing back in terms of efficiency and scoring is probably the biggest help to the team overall--if they can't sag on him and he can keep people honest with 3pt and a mid range, then the floor opens up for Oso (who in his own right is more mobile than Kur).
O-Max is my wild card. He might just be a slightly better version than last year, but I think we see him come into his own this year when he puts it together on both sides of the floor.
A lot of Kolek's overall positive assist numbers come from the stretch of pick and roll dominance with him and Oso. Once teams figured out how to stop that, his numbers and overall offensive efficiency nosedived. He needs a big step up in his shooting to maintain those high assist numbers and keep defenses honest.
He's definitely capable of that as he was able to do that at George Mason his freshman year. Just needs to prove he can do it consistently or defenses will find it simpler to limit his success.
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A lot of Kolek's overall positive assist numbers come from the stretch of pick and roll dominance with him and Oso. Once teams figured out how to stop that, his numbers and overall offensive efficiency nosedived. He needs a big step up in his shooting to maintain those high assist numbers and keep defenses honest.
He's definitely capable of that as he was able to do that at George Mason his freshman year. Just needs to prove he can do it consistently or defenses will find it simpler to limit his success.
That's what I was alluding to for sure. Success with shooting should lead to the PnR feasting for TK. It's a lot to ask of a player, but I think if anyone can do it, it's probably him. I also think that using a 2 ball handler system (TK+ Stevie; TK+ Sean Jones) allows TK to be a set shooter a times which can help twofold: (i) give him the confidence of seeing the ball drop early (if I remember correctly, he shot well from set shots as the season went on) and (ii) the made set shots will keep a defense honest in thinking he is a "shooter" and not being able to sag (thus allowing the PnR feasting, hopefully). In an ideal world, he also hits a few shots off the dribble to really hammer down the mindset created by number (ii).
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That's what I was alluding to for sure. Success with shooting should lead to the PnR feasting for TK. It's a lot to ask of a player, but I think if anyone can do it, it's probably him. I also think that using a 2 ball handler system (TK+ Stevie; TK+ Sean Jones) allows TK to be a set shooter a times which can help twofold: (i) give him the confidence of seeing the ball drop early (if I remember correctly, he shot well from set shots as the season went on) and (ii) the made set shots will keep a defense honest in thinking he is a "shooter" and not being able to sag (thus allowing the PnR feasting, hopefully). In an ideal world, he also hits a few shots off the dribble to really hammer down the mindset created by number (ii).
The two ball handler thing will definitely be big.
But another big thing is what shaka talked about at media day yesterday. Kolek not only came up to a new program and higher level but he did so in a position he hadnt played before for a team that plays an extremely high tempo.
Had him passing up shots and also rushing shots. Sure, he coulda gotten acquainted as the year went on. But I think year 2 with a offseason of working hard on things, being used to the role/system will have a big impact.
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Elon
I said months ago that I thought Shaka retaining the entire roster, minus Lewis, was very impressive. At that time, I said if any of the returning guys were new incoming transfers, we would have been excited to have them. My bar is higher going into this year than it was a year ago.
Our 3 "Juniors" and 4 "Sophs" have 3 seasons of eligibility left counting this season. If Shaka can keep at least 5 or 6 of those players over the '24 and '25 seasons I would expect the coach's poll would have us in the upper half of the league. What surprises me is that the coach's have such a low regard of our players compared to the rest of the league.
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Damn, didnt know UIC was picked 11/12 in their conference though
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Our 3 "Juniors" and 4 "Sophs" have 3 seasons of eligibility left counting this season. If Shaka can keep at least 5 or 6 of those players over the '24 and '25 seasons I would expect the coach's poll would have us in the upper half of the league. What surprises me is that the coach's have such a low regard of our players compared to the rest of the league.
No BE coaches are MOPES
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Maybes 'apples and oranges' but TCU had a yawner of an off season, picked 7 in the BIG XII and not predicted to go to a bowl. How's that working out for them?
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Maybes 'apples and oranges' but TCU had a yawner of an off season, picked 7 in the BIG XII and not predicted to go to a bowl. How's that working out for them?
They did hire the program's first new coach in more than 20 years.
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www.theresourcenexus.com/2022-2023-big-east-college-basketball-preview/
I hope TK doesn't see their take.
The last paragraph tells you everything you need to know about this site.
"More off seasons like this, and Shaka Smart will likely wear out his welcome at his second school pretty soon."
1) The season hasn't even started. How can they call this an off season?
2) Marquette isn't Shaka's 2nd school.
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The last paragraph tells you everything you need to know about this site.
"More off seasons like this, and Shaka Smart will likely wear out his welcome at his second school pretty soon."
1) The season hasn't even started. How can they call this an off season?
2) Marquette isn't Shaka's 2nd school.
He didn’t wear out his welcome at VCU. Only Texas. That would theoretically make Marquette the second school.
If it’s not the off season, what is the period called where there are no games ?
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They did hire the program's first new coach in more than 20 years.
True but he wasn't a sexy hire that created much buzz. My overall point was boring off seasons and low expectations are not concrete evidence of a poor season.
Personally, I'm encouraged by the calm and steady state of the program. I think it helps keep the focus on the court. But if we end in last place, I'll be very disappointed and really question Shaka's ability. (I'm sure Shaka will be motivated just to keep me happy)