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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: MuggsyB on October 06, 2022, 07:45:44 PM
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He's on ESPN with the Heat. 5-5, 12 pts, 5 rebs, 4 STEALS, in the first half!!
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Couldn't be happier for Jamal. Was a great kid while at MU and great to see him make a splash in his pro preseason debut.
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Wholesome af
https://twitter.com/MiamiHEAT/status/1578215124946624513?t=SWayig7yyY4fH4NxLX6j5w
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Happy for Jamal. Would be cool if he makes the team.
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Wholesome af
https://twitter.com/MiamiHEAT/status/1578215124946624513?t=SWayig7yyY4fH4NxLX6j5w
I always felt Wojo underutilized Jamal and jerked with his playing time. His short leash nonsense drove me up the wall. That's not to say Cain didn't need to grow as a player, and it took him some time, but I never understood what Wojo was thinking. I'd be thrilled if the young man made the Heat's roster. Great kid. He never complained about dealing with a lot of mickey-mouse nonsense.
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I always felt Wojo underutilized Jamal and jerked with his playing time. His short leash nonsense drove me up the wall.
Ners disagrees strongly with this. He thinks Wojo deployed Cain perfectly.
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Ners disagrees strongly with this. He thinks Wojo deployed Cain perfectly.
I don't know anything about Ners. I do know Jamal struggled with his handles but you could see he had great bounce and a solid shooting stroke. In his first 2+ years he really didn't get an opportunity and it messed with his confidence.
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I don't know anything about Ners. I do know Jamal struggled with his handles but you could see he had great bounce and a solid shooting stroke. In his first 2+ years he really didn't get an opportunity and it messed with his confidence.
I was just kidding. Elon used to go by "Ners" ... he loves Jamal, hates Wojo and agrees with your take. Wojo's criminal "mind games" with Jamal have been a frequent topic of his. Nrs might give you a big, wet kiss for giving him another opening to rail about it all over again!
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I always felt Wojo underutilized Jamal and jerked with his playing time. His short leash nonsense drove me up the wall. That's not to say Cain didn't need to grow as a player, and it took him some time, but I never understood what Wojo was thinking. I'd be thrilled if the young man made the Heat's roster. Great kid. He never complained about dealing with a lot of mickey-mouse nonsense.
Jamal progressed as a freshman. I was looking forward to his sophomore year. Then Wojo's love affair with Joey happened and Jamal's playing time and development was the casualty.
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Jamal progressed as a freshman. I was looking forward to his sophomore year. Then Wojo's love affair with Joey happened and Jamal's playing time and development was the casualty.
And Brendan Bailey :-/
Jamal had a promising freshman year. Good shooter from the corners and bouncy rebounder. Then he was expected to be something he wasn’t yet and punished quickly for any mistake. very clearly shattered his confidence.
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Indeed. To be fair, Jamal's ball handling early on was an adventure. And Bailey never shot like he did prior to his mission.
But both Hausers were coming off surgery, Joey didn't play his senior year in high school, and both were playing 30 mpg through the end of January. Joey hit his wall (odd) and played a little less down the stretch, but he still averaged 29 minutes per game.
So, yes, Jamal was not used enough.
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Final stats for the game were outstanding
https://www.cbssports.com/fantasy/basketball/news/heats-jamal-cain-double-double-in-win/
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Don’t let the door hit you on the way out, aina?
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Kudos to coach Kampe
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And Brendan Bailey :-/
Jamal had a promising freshman year. Good shooter from the corners and bouncy rebounder. Then he was expected to be something he wasn’t yet and punished quickly for any mistake. very clearly shattered his confidence.
Excellent point. The quick hook never made any sense to me. Especially because we had a number of players that had flaws and lapses during games. I probably should have written Wojo a letter.
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Bam promoting Jamal
https://twitter.com/MiamiHEAT/status/1578215124946624513?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1578215124946624513%7Ctwgr%5E9d7970086abd08dc6dede687c9dcb483fb584303%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fd-34156632931306724640.ampproject.net%2F2209142312000%2Fframe.html
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Awesome for Jamal.
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Love Jamal
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So happy for him getting his shot and taking full advantage! Wish he could go down as a Marquette player, but I'll survive! :)
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Jamal Cain's postgame talking about playing against KD, and Bam speaking to playing with Wade and his thoughts on Cain's skills
https://www.youtube.com/v/Kp8A1knXnUg
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And Brendan Bailey :-/
Jamal had a promising freshman year. Good shooter from the corners and bouncy rebounder. Then he was expected to be something he wasn’t yet and punished quickly for any mistake. very clearly shattered his confidence.
Yep. Especially the part about "punished quickly..."
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So happy for him getting his shot and taking full advantage! Wish he could go down as a Marquette player, but I'll survive! :)
Did he receive his BA/BS from Marquette?
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why is jamal supported but sam is hated?? smh
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why is jamal supported but sam is hated?? smh
Who?
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why is jamal supported but sam is hated?? smh
You can't figure this out?
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Cain continues to ball.
12pts, 3 rebs, 2 steals in the first half tonight.
:)
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You can't figure this out?
yeah i mean i guess ppl weight it diffrently. coach wasnt the fit so jamal left. player(markus) wasnt a fit for sam so he left. sure its kinda diffrent but a kids gotta do what he feels best. i dont get how we can despise one guy and love the other over this. ppl are to petty.
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why is jamal supported but sam is hated?? smh
"It's not how you enter a room, it's how you leave it".
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yeah i mean i guess ppl weight it diffrently. coach wasnt the fit so jamal left. player(markus) wasnt a fit for sam so he left. sure its kinda diffrent but a kids gotta do what he feels best. i dont get how we can despise one guy and love the other over this. ppl are to petty.
An obtuse hill to die on? Aced it.
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You can't figure this out?
Basically soft serve's fault, really....
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nerds
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Jamal dropped 19, 6, and 3 tonight on 7-14, 3-6:from distance, and two thefts. I'm rooting for the young man.
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I think one of the more under rated aspects of sports is the value of being a likeable teammate .
Jamal is one of those guys that teammates enjoy playing with and being around . They see he is enthusiastic ,putting in the work and committed to a teamwork style of play . He is getting the support of veterans and that will go along way to further his cause
We have seen the same thing happen with Juan who was willing to do the duty work at Golden State with a smile. Had great support from the best players and coach as a result .
Sam is also a guy teammates have enjoy playing with over the years. Unselfish and works within the team concept . Got rewarded with a nice deal from the Celts
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I think one of the more under rated aspects of sports is the value of being a likeable teammate .
Jamal is one of those guys that teammates enjoy playing with and being around . They see he is enthusiastic ,putting in the work and committed to a teamwork style of play . He is getting the support of veterans and that will go along way to further his cause
We have seen the same thing happen with Juan who was willing to do the duty work at Golden State with a smile. Had great support from the best players and coach as a result .
Sam is also a guy teammates have enjoy playing with over the years. Unselfish and works within the team concept . Got rewarded with a nice deal from the Celts
Solid points Herman. Likability matters. He's a great kid. It would be a tremendous story if he makes the Heat roster. I'm sorry your business was impacted by Ian.
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why is jamal supported but sam is hated?? smh
I’m a Sam fan and wish him nothing but the best but that is a ridiculous question.
I’m assuming you are being sarcastic.
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yeah i mean i guess ppl weight it diffrently. coach wasnt the fit so jamal left. player(markus) wasnt a fit for sam so he left. sure its kinda diffrent but a kids gotta do what he feels best. i dont get how we can despise one guy and love the other over this. ppl are to petty.
I was glad when Jamal left. The sooner all of Wojo’s recruits left (except the Hausers), the better. Don’t let the door hit you on the way out, aina? You don’t know ball if you think Jamal was any good
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Wow, heavily under some type of influence.
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Should get more run as most front line players sitting out.
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I think one of the more under rated aspects of sports is the value of being a likeable teammate .
Jamal is one of those guys that teammates enjoy playing with and being around . They see he is enthusiastic ,putting in the work and committed to a teamwork style of play . He is getting the support of veterans and that will go along way to further his cause
We have seen the same thing happen with Juan who was willing to do the duty work at Golden State with a smile. Had great support from the best players and coach as a result .
Sam is also a guy teammates have enjoy playing with over the years. Unselfish and works within the team concept . Got rewarded with a nice deal from the Celts
Once again, Herman comes thru with the under the radar stuff that make a difference. Great points people should heed in all walks of life
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why is jamal supported but sam is hated?? smh
I don’t believe Sam is hated. I think Sam could only garner respect for the decision he made. It may not have been the most popular, but he wanted to keep the family together. If it was between Markus, wojo, MU fans and family, he gave family the benefit of the doubt and now you can see the results.
For all we know, he and Joey may not be on the best of terms, but they are still family. The rest can be worked out privately which is where it should be
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Yeah, I can't speak for everyone, but I think Sam is not hated. Disappointed in his decision as it relates to Marquette basketball. On the surface, the team would have been a top 10 team, and if things clicked, may have made a Final Four. That may have been enough to get him and MH drafted. It doesn't matter how one player acts (looking at you Joey), the blame falls on those in charge (Wojo).
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Wow, heavily under some type of influence.
Obviously, daily dose of Metamucil hasn't had time to work yet, aina?
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Don’t let the door hit yeah where the lord split yeah, aina?
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I don't know anything about Ners.
Where ya from, pardner?
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Jamal Cain getting a nice writeup on NBA.com
https://www.nba.com/heat/news/coups-notebook-27-bam-adebayo-jamal-cain-nikola-jovic-duncan-robinson
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“He has the work ethic, he has the potential. He’s raw, but you can see his athleticism, you can see his competitiveness.”
- Coach Spo on Jamal Cain
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“He has the work ethic, he has the potential. He’s raw, but you can see his athleticism, you can see his competitiveness.”
- Coach Spo on Jamal Cain
Take that for data! I really hope he makes the team.
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Take that for data! I really hope he makes the team.
Ugh
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Per Woj:
Heat converting Jamal Cain to a two-way contract.
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Per Woj:
Heat converting Jamal Cain to a two-way contract.
Jamal Cain bout to have a better NBA career than Marcus, just like we all predicted.
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Jamal Cain bout to have a better NBA career than Marcus, just like we all predicted.
Who is Marcus?
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Ugh
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Who is Marcus?
A failing regional theater chain
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Jamal is probably the most misused player we've had in the past 10-20 years. After his freshman year, he looked like a future All-Big East player. Instead, he never had a defined role and never really got a chance to star here. Glad to see him getting his shot.
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Per Woj:
Heat converting Jamal Cain to a two-way contract.
Tremendous news For Jamal . He worked so hard for this . The Heat Is becoming quite the MU connection.
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Had a limp dick coach while here, hey?
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Who is Marcus?
Lemonis?
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Had a limp dick coach while here, hey?
LOL. Wojo had significant probs.
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Lemonis?
He don't need a two way contract.
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But he is an MU alum that is not going to play in the NBA.
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Tremendous news For Jamal . He worked so hard for this . The Heat Is becoming quite the MU connection.
i believe jamal game is more suited to NBA, but he's got a few things to work on.
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Awesome. Can we start the debate on Oso’s pro career chances now?
Jamal Cain bout to have a better NBA career than Marcus, just like we all predicted.
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Jamal Cain bout to have a better NBA career than Marcus, just like we all predicted.
You joke, but one of these two had the physical capabilities of defending most pros.
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But he is an MU alum that is not going to play in the NBA.
Well if he wanted to play he could certainly buy a team.
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In more unlikely news:
Utah Jazz
@utahjazz
We have waived Saben Lee and signed Darryl Morsell
https://twitter.com/utahjazz/status/1579291293406334977?s=20&t=c6uRjZhGlr2ZuichUWpRBA
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In more unlikely news:
Utah Jazz
@utahjazz
We have waived Saben Lee and signed Darryl Morsell
https://twitter.com/utahjazz/status/1579291293406334977?s=20&t=c6uRjZhGlr2ZuichUWpRBA
Morsell's got good size and does have a skill (defense) that could translate to the next level. If his distance shooting has improved, it would be a bonus.
Plus, Utah is in ultra-tank mode.
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Morsell's got good size and does have a skill (defense) that could translate to the next level. If his distance shooting has improved, it would be a bonus.
Plus, Utah is in ultra-tank mode.
Wade is responsible
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Had a limp dick coach while here, hey?
And Shaka didn't want him. Good for Jamal working his way up.
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Cain with 11. 6, and 2 through three quarters tonight.
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Lemonis?
Anyone know what kind of relationship MU has with him? Seems like there are so many possibilities there...but I don't see much happening?
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Anyone know what kind of relationship MU has with him? Seems like there are so many possibilities there...but I don't see much happening?
I’ve heard google is good at answering these types of questions.
https://today.marquette.edu/2022/02/alumnus-marcus-lemonis-donates-15-million-to-create-lemonis-center-for-student-success/ (https://today.marquette.edu/2022/02/alumnus-marcus-lemonis-donates-15-million-to-create-lemonis-center-for-student-success/)
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Anyone know what kind of relationship MU has with him? Seems like there are so many possibilities there...but I don't see much happening?
(https://media.tenor.com/yeJw5Y-wSpgAAAAC/not-sure-hmm.gif)
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And Shaka didn't want him. Good for Jamal working his way up.
That’s not true. You think he wanted Elliot and not Cain? You’re crazy.
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That’s not true. You think he wanted Elliot and not Cain? You’re crazy.
I think you're not following the sarcasm
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I think you're not following the sarcasm
I didn’t want either
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I didn’t want either
Must erase Woj
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Must erase Woj
I’m not cheering for Cain. He left. All guys that leave Marquette that were recruited by Wojo unless they’re white (except Australians) are bad
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I’m not cheering for Cain. He left. All guys that leave Marquette that were recruited by Wojo unless they’re white (except Australians) are bad
Traditionals, please.
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Jamal's ascent toward being on an opening-day NBA roster is a testament to his hard work, his potential, and another example of Wojo being clueless as a head coach.
In all honesty, I respect all of the players that transferred out while Wojo was coach. I certainly respect the loyalty of those who stayed at MU under Wojo, yet you only get 4 years to play college ball and to play for a coach who was absolutely clueless? Unfortunate.
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Jamal's ascent toward being on an opening-day NBA roster is a testament to his hard work, his potential, and another example of Wojo being clueless as a head coach.
In all honesty, I respect all of the players that transferred out while Wojo was coach. I certainly respect the loyalty of those who stayed at MU under Wojo, yet you only get 4 years to play college ball and to play for a coach who was absolutely clueless? Unfortunate.
There's no higher honor in college basketball than having Ners' respect. National Player of the Year is a distant second.
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https://twitter.com/MiamiHEAT/status/1579897956421206016?t=dEhtumgRIOF2yQ_NXuAjbQ&s=19
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https://twitter.com/MiamiHEAT/status/1579897956421206016?t=dEhtumgRIOF2yQ_NXuAjbQ&s=19
Thos gives me the warm and fuzzies 🥰
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There was a nice interview today with jimmy, and it cut to a background vid of Jimmy v Cain's 1 on 1. It went as expected
https://twitter.com/Local10Sports/status/1579917754140065795
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JFB taking Jamal under his wing
https://heatnation.com/media/jimmy-butlers-hilarious-jab-at-jamal-cain-after-an-aggressive-1-on-1-session/
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JFB taking Jamal under his wing
https://heatnation.com/media/jimmy-butlers-hilarious-jab-at-jamal-cain-after-an-aggressive-1-on-1-session/
High praise from JFB
“Without a doubt,” he said. “He’s been playing incredibly well right now. He’s trying to prove his worth in this league, which I think he’s an NBA player. He rebounds. He guards. He’s actually shooting the ball incredibly well right now, and he listens.
“I think that’s the biggest thing to do whenever you’re coming into a team with vets and even younger guys, you’ve got to be able to learn and play that role. He’s doing that greatly.”
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From the Miami Herald:
Cain, who spent his first four years at Marquette University before finishing his college career at Oakland University, likened the Golden Eagles culture to that of the Heat. Grind it out, play as hard as you can and develop players, Cain said.
Sounds like he’s pretty grateful for the opportunity he got to develop into a good player at Marquette. I guess he didn’t get the memo that he was victimized by mind games.
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JFB taking Jamal under his wing
https://heatnation.com/media/jimmy-butlers-hilarious-jab-at-jamal-cain-after-an-aggressive-1-on-1-session/
jamal is in good hands there. jimmy came in and thru uber hard work, became a dark horse superstud. next up...i believe jamal has more natural talent and athleticism than jimmy ever had to begn with.
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From the Miami Herald:
Cain, who spent his first four years at Marquette University before finishing his college career at Oakland University, likened the Golden Eagles culture to that of the Heat. Grind it out, play as hard as you can and develop players, Cain said.
Sounds like he’s pretty grateful for the opportunity he got to develop into a good player at Marquette. I guess he didn’t get the memo that he was victimized by mind games.
Mike
Grateful people find things to be happy/grateful about.
Butchers find things to bitch about.
Glad that Jamaal is in right group - his life, in and out of basketball, will be better for that.
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I am glad you have rediscovered that. I have been worried about you for some time.
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Mike
Grateful people find things to be happy/grateful about.
Butchers find things to bitch about.
Glad that Jamaal is in right group - his life, in and out of basketball, will be better for that.
Aside from your misspelling of Jamal, which I assume happened due to autocorrect, we agree.
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Congrats to Jamal for his first NBA regular season minutes and points. 3 points, 1 steal, 2 minutes played. 8-)
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Awesome.
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Too bad Shaka ran him off. Might have beaten UNC with him
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Congrats to Jamal for his first NBA regular season minutes and points. 3 points, 1 steal, 2 minutes played. 8-)
Shooting 100% from 3 in the NBA regular season. Averaging 54 points per 36.
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Too bad Shaka ran him off. Might have beaten UNC with him
Nah, Limp Dick Woj didant no howta use 'im, aina?
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Nah, Limp Dick Woj didant no howta use 'im, aina?
Ah ... that explains why Jamal ran away from Shaka then.
Also, how do you know about the status of Wojo's genitalia?
Anyway, congrats to Jamal. He played hard for Marquette.
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Ah ... that explains why Jamal ran away from Shaka then.
Also, how do you know about the status of Wojo's genitalia?
Anyway, congrats to Jamal. He played hard for Marquette.
I suspect Jamal wanted to have a featured role, after being under-utilized while at MU under Wojo. Shaka of course is trying to build a team-centered culture and likely didn't offer Jamal a featured role (particularly when his play under Wojo was so choppy and unpredictable.) That aside, Jamal would have been a great asset to last year's MU team, so it was unfortunate Shaka didn't/couldn't retain him.
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I suspect Jamal wanted to have a featured role, after being under-utilized while at MU under Wojo. Shaka of course is trying to build a team-centered culture and likely didn't offer Jamal a featured role (particularly when his play under Wojo was so choppy and unpredictable.) That aside, Jamal would have been a great asset to last year's MU team, so it was unfortunate Shaka didn't/couldn't retain him.
I agree with this take, that Jamal would have been an asset last season and that his leaving had nothing to do with Doc Dribble's intimate knowledge of the previous coach's genitalia.
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Good point, Nads. Even money Woj has a bagina, hey?
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I agree with this take, that Jamal would have been an asset last season and that his leaving had nothing to do with Doc Dribble's intimate knowledge of the previous coach's genitalia.
4ever's been weirdly obsessed with male genitalia for years now.
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Jamal would have helped last year a lot. Especially on the glass and the corner three. He also may have lessened Lewis' load and perhaps JLew would have come back this year.
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Corner 3 - something he showed to excel at his freshman year and then never was featured within the offense again ;-/
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Corner 3 - something he showed to excel at his freshman year and then never was featured within the offense again ;-/
Completely drove me nuts panda the way Wojo quick hooked Jamal and tried to utilize his talents. Makes 0.0 sense to this day. I'm not saying Jamal didn't have flaws, especially as a young player, but Wojo's abominable decisions with his playing time cannot be glossed over. I should have written Wojo a letter. :)
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Completely drove me nuts panda the way Wojo quick hooked Jamal and tried to utilize his talents. Makes 0.0 sense to this day. I'm not saying Jamal didn't have flaws, especially as a young player, but Wojo's abominable decisions with his playing timd cannot be glossed over. I should have written Wojo a letter. :)
Lol letters don’t work with Wojo. Agreed - he ruined the kids confidence. Glad he proved his worth elsewhere.
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I very rarely post. However, for those that remember (perhaps Ners and a few others?), I was/am a huge Cain fan. Of the times I posted, it was more than likely regarding Cain, Wojo and Cain’s mischaracterized bad handles. Never have I or do I support a player that leaves MU. It’s just the way I am. However, Cain was different. I am so happy for him and so glad we rid ourselves of Wojo. That guy was the worst coach and I couldn’t stand how he treated Cain. To not see an obvious future NBA caliber talent was one of his many flaws as a coach. Well done Jamal. I’ll continue being one of your biggest supporters.
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I very rarely post. However, for those that remember (perhaps Ners and a few others?), I was/am a huge Cain fan. Of the times I posted, it was more than likely regarding Cain, Wojo and Cain’s mischaracterized bad handles. Never have I or do I support a player that leaves MU. It’s just the way I am. However, Cain was different. I am so happy for him and so glad we rid ourselves of Wojo. That guy was the worst coach and I couldn’t stand how he treated Cain. To not see an obvious future NBA caliber talent was one of his many flaws as a coach. Well done Jamal. I’ll continue being one of your biggest supporters.
Well said Frenn. I'm proud and happy for Cain. Outstanding kid who worked his butt off for this opportunity.
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Too bad Shaka ran him off which was a good thing since he was a Wojo recruit unless he was from SPASH those guys know how to play ball unlike other recruits who don’t let the door hit you on the way out but I knew he’d be good except for the coach but our current coach didn’t want him but he’s better judge of talent
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If the stats I am reading are both accurate and up to date, Jamal Cain's NBA point total is now only 3 behind the point total of lottery pick and budding NBA superstar, Johnny Davis.
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If the stats I am reading are both accurate and up to date, Jamal Cain's NBA point total is now only 3 behind the point total of lottery pick and budding NBA superstar, Johnny Davis.
When I told my UW friends that I thought Bennedict Mathurin would be a much better pro than Johnny Davis they said I was just a Marquette hater. I believe thus far Mathurin has proved to be a better prospect.
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Too bad Shaka ran him off which was a good thing since he was a Wojo recruit unless he was from SPASH those guys know how to play ball unlike other recruits who don’t let the door hit you on the way out but I knew he’d be good except for the coach but our current coach didn’t want him but he’s better judge of talent
I’m still waiting to hear how Wojo’s genitalia made Shaka not keep Jamal.
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When I told my UW friends that I thought Bennedict Mathurin would be a much better pro than Johnny Davis they said I was just a Marquette hater. I believe thus far Mathurin has proved to be a better prospect.
One is averaging close to 20 ppg. One has played 30 minutes total and was reassigned to the G-League. You're well on your way to being right.
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4ever's been weirdly obsessed with male genitalia for years now.
Seems to be a meat loving eater thing. Especially with the dentists. Think Roqqet also loves them.
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4ever's been weirdly obsessed with male genitalia for years now.
Tells you something, hey?
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One is averaging close to 20 ppg. One has played 30 minutes total and was reassigned to the G-League. You're well on your way to being right.
Davis being sent to the G-League by the Wiz isn’t a great start to his career
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One is averaging close to 20 ppg. One has played 30 minutes total and was reassigned to the G-League. You're well on your way to being right.
Mathurin and Ivey have impressed me the few times I've watched them. They could have superstar potential.
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Never have I or do I support a player that leaves MU. It’s just the way I am.
Never understood this for grad transfers. It's essentially the same as cutting off friends who go get a masters from somewhere that isn't Marquette.
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Delighted for Jamal. Was a great teammate with a positive attitude .
Also Kudos to Ners. He called out last season that Jamal would be on an NBA roster this season . Now here Jamal is on a Roster and actually making a contribution .
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Delighted for Jamal. Was a great teammate with a positive attitude .
Also Kudos to Ners. He called out last season that Jamal would be on an NBA roster this season . Now here Jamal is on a Roster and actually making a contribution .
I was told by those that know him that he was really motivated by Shaka running him off campus
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I very rarely post. However, for those that remember (perhaps Ners and a few others?), I was/am a huge Cain fan. Of the times I posted, it was more than likely regarding Cain, Wojo and Cain’s mischaracterized bad handles. Never have I or do I support a player that leaves MU. It’s just the way I am. However, Cain was different. I am so happy for him and so glad we rid ourselves of Wojo. That guy was the worst coach and I couldn’t stand how he treated Cain. To not see an obvious future NBA caliber talent was one of his many flaws as a coach. Well done Jamal. I’ll continue being one of your biggest supporters.
Post more FreenA! Yes, Wojo handedly helped kill Jamal's confidence on the court as a sophomore. Love how Shaka lets our young guys play through mistakes. Sean Jones threw the ball all over in Game 1 and still got 13 minutes and got 18 more against Central Michigan.
Rarely do you see Shaka immediately hook a guy for a mistake. That was par for the course for Wojo if you weren't Henry, Markus, Brendan, Joey.
Delighted for Jamal. Was a great teammate with a positive attitude .
Also Kudos to Ners. He called out last season that Jamal would be on an NBA roster this season . Now here Jamal is on a Roster and actually making a contribution .
Thanks Herm. Actually as I recall Brew and TAMU also thought Jamal had some NBA potential early in his career at MU - projecting to the upside.
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Post more FreenA! Yes, Wojo handedly helped kill Jamal's confidence on the court as a sophomore. Love how Shaka lets our young guys play through mistakes. Sean Jones threw the ball all over in Game 1 and still got 13 minutes and got 18 more against Central Michigan.
Rarely do you see Shaka immediately hook a guy for a mistake. That was par for the course for Wojo if you weren't Henry, Markus, Brendan, Joey.
Thanks Herm. Actually as I recall Brew and TAMU also thought Jamal had some NBA potential early in his career at MU - projecting to the upside.
Don't think Brendan fits that. Matt Carino or Sam both would be higher than Brendan in terms of who didn't get the fast hook
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I thought Wojo should have played Cain and Bailey more that year. Jamal was still a little turnover prone, and clearly had a short leash. Wojo was in love with the Hausers and Joey was playing 30 mpg on a surgically repaired ankle. Until he hit the freshman wall at the end of January and played poorly down the stretch.
So, agreed. Wojo used Cain poorly his sophomore year.
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I thought Wojo should have played Cain and Bailey more that year. Jamal was still a little turnover prone, and clearly had a short leash. Wojo was in love with the Hausers and Joey was playing 30 mpg on a surgically repaired ankle. Until he hit the freshman wall at the end of January and played poorly down the stretch.
So, agreed. Wojo used Cain poorly his sophomore year.
Jamal was ready to transfer after that season until Hausergate.
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I know.
Jamal was ready to transfer after that season until Hausergate.
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I know.
I know you know. I was just adding an accent to your point that Jamal was frustrated.
On a related note, I never got the Wojo love of Bailey.
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Someone post the button meme
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Rumor had it that Jamal would not have been alone.
Bailey played better defense early in the year and rarely turned the ball over. Sadly, he never found his HS shooting form. If memory serves, his high school rankings were similar or better than Sam's. He never regained his game after his LDS mission.
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I know you know. I was just adding an accent to your point that Jamal was frustrated.
On a related note, I never got the Wojo love of Bailey.
Rightfully so. Brendan Bailey came in as a freshman during Jamal's sophomore season and got nearly twice as much PT. Never got the Bailey love from Wojo either. Was odd.
Rumor had it that Jamal would not have been alone.
Bailey played better defense early in the year and rarely turned the ball over. Sadly, he never found his HS shooting form. If memory serves, his high school rankings were similar or better than Sam's. He never regained his game after his LDS mission.
Not sure who else you are referring to as potentially transferring out if the Hausers didn't leave? Bailey? (Don't let the door hit you on the way out Brendan - as he was terrible.) Also, I don't believe the potential transfers out were a function of guys not liking to play with Sam - and maybe even Joey - but they knew they weren't going to take minutes from Sam, and Wojo was all in on Joey.
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Rightfully so. Brendan Bailey came in as a freshman during Jamal's sophomore season and got nearly twice as much PT. Never got the Bailey love from Wojo either. Was odd.
Not sure who else you are referring to as potentially transferring out if the Hausers didn't leave? Bailey? (Don't let the door hit you on the way out Brendan - as he was terrible.) Also, I don't believe the potential transfers out were a function of guys not liking to play with Sam - and maybe even Joey - but they knew they weren't going to take minutes from Sam, and Wojo was all in on Joey.
No, they hated the Hausers
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The version I heard had multiple transfers if the Hausers stayed. The Hausers left, everyone else stayed.
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The version I heard had multiple transfers if the Hausers stayed. The Hausers left, everyone else stayed.
Same. Whatever the case, I’m in agreement that it shouldn’t get to that point and the blame is at the feet of the coach. Buck stops here/there type stuff.
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No, they hated the Hausers
Just like the Hausers hated Herro
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ners, I live an hour's drive from Lansing. I coached basketball. It is known that I went to and root for MU. I have many friends who are huge Spartan fans, boosters, or 'close to the program'. Because of my overt affection for Marquette, many go out of their way to tell me rumors about Joey. Some are similar to rumors from here surrounding Joey's departure from MU. Some are unlike anything mentioned on Scoop. Few are complimentary and Spartan fans won't miss him.
I have moved on. I root for Sparty and therefore want Joey to succeed because it will help Sparty.
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Cain's soph year, four of the starters (Markus, Sam, Joey, Sacar) averaged 29-34 mpg each, and it was actually more than that in the non-blowouts. The other position was center, where Theo and Morrow (and some Heldt) split time. So that left Cain, Bailey and Chartouny fighting for scraps as backups at the 1-4 spots.
Wojo viewed Bailey as kind of the opposite of Joey -- long, active defender who wasn't a great shooter. Cain was having trouble staying with his man, he was a poor ballhandler, and the one thing he did well as a freshman -- shoot -- he didn't do early when he was getting 16 mpg (.333 overall, .267 from 3 in the first 5 games, including 2 starts); Bailey was getting 14 mpg during that span.
Had Cain shot early on as a soph the way he shot the second half of his freshman year (.520 from 3), Wojo would have stuck with him. But when Cain was throwing up bricks, and when Bailey did other things better than Cain did (in Wojo's eyes), Wojo went with Bailey.
For coaches, when you're dealing with role players -- and that's what both were -- it ultimately comes down to "Who do I trust more?"
I'm not saying I agree or disagree with Wojo's decision, just explaining why Wojo "loved" Bailey and "hated" Cain.
Regardless, after the Hausers bolted, Cain stayed to keep playing for the coach who supposedly "played mind games" with him. He improved as a junior and his PT more than doubled, and he went on to have a good 4th season, averaging 30 mpg.
Rather than playing his 5th season for Shaka, Jamal decided to move down a level, and he really flourished in the Horizon League, and that helped him get his shot with the Heat.
I'm rooting for him to stick and have a long NBA career.
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ners, I live an hour's drive from Lansing. I coached basketball. It is known that I went to and root for MU. I have many friends who are huge Spartan fans, boosters, or 'close to the program'. Because of my overt affection for Marquette, many go out of their way to tell me rumors about Joey. Some are similar to rumors from here surrounding Joey's departure from MU. Some are unlike anything mentioned on Scoop. Few are complimentary and Spartan fans won't miss him.
I have moved on. I root for Sparty and therefore want Joey to succeed because it will help Sparty.
They don’t know ball
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They don’t know ball
They're woke
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After his freshman year, I thought Cain could be another Josh Hart/Mikal Bridges type that blossomed given the chance. Watching him since he left has only reinforced my belief that he had at minimum All-Big East level potential had he either been given the chance or played at a program like Villanova.
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Speculation is good. Definitely a diamond in the rough. Could another coach have revealed his luster earlier in his career? Maybe.
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Buzz couldn't get the NBA talent out of Juan either. It happens.
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Buzz couldn't get the NBA talent out of Juan either. It happens.
Not exactly apples to apples.
Juan improved much later in his pro career.
Jamal succeeded immediately at his next stop in college and sequentially, his next step in the pros.
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Jamal succeeded immediately at his next stop in college and sequentially, his next step in the pros.
He also went from the BE to the Horizon League last year so who knows...
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Buzz couldn't get the NBA talent out of Juan either. It happens.
Actually Wojo couldn't as Wojo had the good fortune of coming into the stocked cupboard of Top 100 talent that Buzz left behind - Juan included.
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In Juan's last year under Wojo, he played undersized center which he credited to his NBA success. Similarly, Jamal played power forward at Oakland versus shooting and driver forward at MU. With the 4 and 5 out NBA, both play an important tweener role.
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Actually Wojo couldn't as Wojo had the good fortune of coming into the stocked cupboard of Top 100 talent that Buzz left behind - Juan included.
Right. In 3 years with Buzz Juan scored 207 points, had 64 assists, and had 221 rebounds. Buzz really had him playing at an NBA level, only to have Wojo come and ruin it when he had 257 points, 54 assists, and 178 rebounds in his single year with Wojo. Demotivated. SAD!
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He also went from the BE to the Horizon League last year so who knows...
A small group of talent evaluators with the Miami heat. That’s who knows.
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Right. In 3 years with Buzz Juan scored 207 points, had 64 assists, and had 221 rebounds. Buzz really had him playing at an NBA level, only to have Wojo come and ruin it when he had 257 points, 54 assists, and 178 rebounds in his single year with Wojo. Demotivated. SAD!
Yes. Steve was a motivator of men. A prolific coach. We are fortunate to have had him at the helm of MU basketball. I look forward to hearing your induction speech for Wojo in his induction into the MU Hall Of Fame as his Number 1 fanboy.
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Yes. Steve was a motivator of men. A prolific coach. We are fortunate to have had him at the helm of MU basketball. I look forward to hearing your induction speech for Wojo in his induction into the MU Hall Of Fame as his Number 1 fanboy.
Or maybe nobody got nba level work out of Juan because of Juan and not the coaches. Sort of like Buycks or Cain or even arguably Jamil
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If only he had been playing under a Hall of Fame coach like Izzo, Jamal would have been the NPOY -- just like Joey has been the last two seasons.
Or if he had been under a Hall of Fame coach like Jay Wright, Jamal would have been All-Big East -- just like Jahvon Quinerly was.
Or if he had been under a Hall of Fame coach like Bill Self, Jamal would have led the Big 12 in scoring -- just like Quentin Grimes did.
Because great coaches never, ever, ever fail to get the absolute most out of each and every player.
Instead, Jamal was stuck with a coach who totally ruined Howard, Sam Hauser, Anim, Rowsey, Carlino, Carton, Henry Ellenson, Reinhardt, John, Bailey and Garcia.
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If only he had been playing under a Hall of Fame coach like Izzo, Jamal would have been the NPOY -- just like Joey has been the last two seasons.
Or if he had been under a Hall of Fame coach like Jay Wright, Jamal would have been All-Big East -- just like Jahvon Quinerly was.
Or if he had been under a Hall of Fame coach like Bill Self, Jamal would have led the Big 12 in scoring -- just like Quentin Grimes did.
Because great coaches never, ever, ever fail to get the absolute most out of each and every player.
Instead, Jamal was stuck with a coach who totally ruined Howard, Sam Hauser, Anim, Rowsey, Carlino, Carton, Henry Ellenson, Reinhardt, John, Bailey and Garcia.
I agree with this analysis. What could have been.
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If only he had been playing under a Hall of Fame coach like Izzo, Jamal would have been the NPOY -- just like Joey has been the last two seasons.
Or if he had been under a Hall of Fame coach like Jay Wright, Jamal would have been All-Big East -- just like Jahvon Quinerly was.
Or if he had been under a Hall of Fame coach like Bill Self, Jamal would have led the Big 12 in scoring -- just like Quentin Grimes did.
Because great coaches never, ever, ever fail to get the absolute most out of each and every player.
Instead, Jamal was stuck with a coach who totally ruined Howard, Sam Hauser, Anim, Rowsey, Carlino, Carton, Henry Ellenson, Reinhardt, John, Bailey and Garcia.
Imagine how good they could have been with Mike Deane
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If only he had been playing under a Hall of Fame coach like Izzo, Jamal would have been the NPOY -- just like Joey has been the last two seasons.
Or if he had been under a Hall of Fame coach like Jay Wright, Jamal would have been All-Big East -- just like Jahvon Quinerly was.
Or if he had been under a Hall of Fame coach like Bill Self, Jamal would have led the Big 12 in scoring -- just like Quentin Grimes did.
Because great coaches never, ever, ever fail to get the absolute most out of each and every player.
Instead, Jamal was stuck with a coach who totally ruined Howard, Sam Hauser, Anim, Rowsey, Carlino, Carton, Henry Ellenson, Reinhardt, John, Bailey and Garcia.
You sold me Mike, I’m on your side now. Wojo is/was the GOAT. Jay Wright, Izzo and the rest? Pretenders next to the Great One.
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You sold me Mike, I’m on your side now. Wojo is/was the GOAT. Jay Wright, Izzo and the rest? Pretenders next to the Great One.
Whoosh
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You sold me Mike, I’m on your side now. Wojo is/was the GOAT. Jay Wright, Izzo and the rest? Pretenders next to the Great One.
Obvious
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Whoosh
The only whoosh was your’s.
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If only he had been playing under a Hall of Fame coach like Izzo, Jamal would have been the NPOY -- just like Joey has been the last two seasons.
I know this was all hyperbole, but Jamal immediately becoming a no doubt conference POY & NBA player as soon as he left is a pretty strong indicator he was underutilized. I don't at all think the idea of him developing into an NBA player if properly used at Marquette is outlandish considering the trajectory of his career in the 20 or so months since he left.
Unless, of course, you think Greg Kampe is superior to all those other coaches you named.
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The only whoosh was your’s.
Lame
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Lame
The amount of energy spent by people bitching about previous coaches on scoop never ceases to amaze me.
A fun exercise for someone is to go look up old posts about Jamal Cain being underutilized at Marquette while he was here. I’ll wait
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Crean sucks
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Crean sucks
You're in love.
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Lame
Rico’s a pretty smart guy. He doesn’t need you to be his lapdog every time someone returns one of his lobs.
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Rico’s a pretty smart guy. He doesn’t need you to be his lapdog every time someone returns one of his lobs.
Poor baby
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Poor baby
You come up with that yourself? Hilarious stuff!
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You come up with that yourself? Hilarious stuff!
I'm hurt
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Jamal Cain (and Oscar Robinson) highlights from the Sioux Falls Skyforce, from before Cain got called back up to the Heat
https://www.youtube.com/v/tYD_aHlcXDc
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I'm hurt
Poor baby.
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I know this was all hyperbole, but Jamal immediately becoming a no doubt conference POY & NBA player as soon as he left is a pretty strong indicator he was underutilized. I don't at all think the idea of him developing into an NBA player if properly used at Marquette is outlandish considering the trajectory of his career in the 20 or so months since he left.
Unless, of course, you think Greg Kampe is superior to all those other coaches you named.
Do you think he could have gone to a strong P6 school and gotten the kind of run he got in the Horizon League? Maybe, maybe not.
He made a very smart decision to move down to the Horizon League to be The Man for Oakland. More proof that NBA scouts will find you no matter where you go if you produce and work hard.
Congrats to Jamal for producing and working hard. And congrats to him for making an intelligent career choice. Averaging 20 and 10 while playing 35 mpg for Oakland gave him the opportunity that averaging 12 and 6 for Northwestern or 8 and 4 for Michigan would not have given him.
He gave his all to Marquette for 4 years, he stayed and worked hard when others abandoned ship, and I'm rooting for him to have a long, profitable pro career.
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Do you think he could have gone to a strong P6 school and gotten the kind of run he got in the Horizon League? Maybe, maybe not.
I think had he been developed appropriately, he never would've had to go to the Horizon. It was clear his freshman year that he had the shot, rebounding, length, and activity to be a very good player. His sophomore year he had a decent start, then had two mediocre games and was glued to the bench. Played double digit minutes the first five games, then only five times in the last twenty-four. In that same stretch, Joey got 20+ in 28/29 games despite many stinkers of his own.
Wojo coached like Joey was Henry v2.0 and Jamal was hopeless. Wojo pulled plenty of strings right in 2018-19, which is why it was a fun season for so long. But how he handled Cain was a mistake & stunting his development here & pushing him to the brink of transfer helped lead to his firing.
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Poor baby.
Thank you!
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I think had he been developed appropriately, he never would've had to go to the Horizon. It was clear his freshman year that he had the shot, rebounding, length, and activity to be a very good player. His sophomore year he had a decent start, then had two mediocre games and was glued to the bench. Played double digit minutes the first five games, then only five times in the last twenty-four. In that same stretch, Joey got 20+ in 28/29 games despite many stinkers of his own.
Wojo coached like Joey was Henry v2.0 and Jamal was hopeless. Wojo pulled plenty of strings right in 2018-19, which is why it was a fun season for so long. But how he handled Cain was a mistake & stunting his development here & pushing him to the brink of transfer helped lead to his firing.
Jamal spent 2 seasons at Marquette after Joey left, though. He played 30 mpg in his last season at Marquette...
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Jamal spent 2 seasons at Marquette after Joey left, though. He played 30 mpg in his last season at Marquette...
Yes, and because he was never developed appropriately his senior year production was where I fully believe he could've been as a sophomore. He stagnated for two years, behind guys like Joey and Bailey who probably never sniff the NBA.
Maybe I just find it hard to believe that a guy who showed flashes like Jamal did as a freshman and had the instant upward trajectory he did after leaving wouldn't have been better served by getting more of an opportunity here.
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I believe that Wojo's veneration of Joey and, due to minutes being a zero sum game, burying of Jamal during Jamal's sophomore year was a huge mistake. On a few levels.
Favoritism.
Non-outside the box thinking. Playing the Hausers and either Cain or Bailey all at the same time could have given MU a unique look.
Jamal was the one athletic wing Wojo recruited.
Now, to be fair, Jamal had a turnover problem as a sophomore.
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Yes, and because he was never developed appropriately his senior year production was where I fully believe he could've been as a sophomore. He stagnated for two years, behind guys like Joey and Bailey who probably never sniff the NBA.
Maybe I just find it hard to believe that a guy who showed flashes like Jamal did as a freshman and had the instant upward trajectory he did after leaving wouldn't have been better served by getting more of an opportunity here.
I agree Brew. There were likely promises made to the Hauser and Bailey families that led to favoritism and Joey and Brendan didn’t have to earn their playing time like Jamal. We ultimately found out how childish the Hauser family was and the Bailey family was never all in. Kudos to Jamal for staying, graduating and succeeding at another level before earning an NBA roster spot.
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Yes, and because he was never developed appropriately his senior year production was where I fully believe he could've been as a sophomore. He stagnated for two years, behind guys like Joey and Bailey who probably never sniff the NBA.
Maybe I just find it hard to believe that a guy who showed flashes like Jamal did as a freshman and had the instant upward trajectory he did after leaving wouldn't have been better served by getting more of an opportunity here.
Unpopular take here, but if Joey could play consistently like he did last night, I could see him being an end of the bench guy in the NBA.
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Unpopular take here, but if Joey could play consistently like he did last night, I could see him being an end of the bench guy in the NBA.
The magic word there is 'consistently'.
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Unpopular take here, but if Joey could play consistently like he did last night, I could see him being an end of the bench guy in the NBA.
He can’t guard in the NBA. He couldn’t guard anyone on Kentucky last night
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I think had he been developed appropriately, he never would've had to go to the Horizon. It was clear his freshman year that he had the shot, rebounding, length, and activity to be a very good player. His sophomore year he had a decent start, then had two mediocre games and was glued to the bench. Played double digit minutes the first five games, then only five times in the last twenty-four. In that same stretch, Joey got 20+ in 28/29 games despite many stinkers of his own.
Wojo coached like Joey was Henry v2.0 and Jamal was hopeless. Wojo pulled plenty of strings right in 2018-19, which is why it was a fun season for so long. But how he handled Cain was a mistake & stunting his development here & pushing him to the brink of transfer helped lead to his firing.
Let's say I agree with you that Wojo's treatment of Jamal his sophomore season was borderline criminal. And heck, I'll even throw in his junior season: criminal.
But Jamal averaged 30 mpg as a senior. He wasn't looking over his shoulder. He had the green light to do pretty much anything he wanted on the floor. He improved in all facets. He was allowed to play through his mistakes.
So yes, maybe Jamal could have done that sooner if Wojo wasn't a criminal. But if you really think Jamal was a 20/10 guy in the Big East, I don't know what to say. We just won't be able to agree, and neither of us can ever be proven "right" or "wrong."
Jamal made a smart decision going to the Horizon League, where he could be The Man. If he had transferred to Michigan after his sophomore year, I happen to believe he'd have been buried there, too. Maybe you think he'd have been All-Big Ten ... and that's cool. I always respect your opinion.
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He can’t guard in the NBA. He couldn’t guard anyone on Kentucky last night
1. Either can Sam
2. Looking at the box score, all UK forwards not named Oscar scored a combined scored a combined 15 points on 4-13 shooting.
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Consistency is the key. Compare and contrast his numbers against Gonzaga with his numbers against Kentucky. Big Sparty fan, glad he helped them win. This is the third season I have watched him play for a hall of fame coach and he hasn't shown it yet. I hope he gets there for Sparty's sake.
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1. Either can Sam
2. Looking at the box score, all UK forwards not named Oscar scored a combined scored a combined 15 points on 4-13 shooting.
1. Sam can get into proper defensive position and always has. Quite frankly, Sam is better than Joey, too. Mismatches are always attacked in the NBA but Sam won’t be beat because he’s not doing the right thing. That hasn’t been the case for Joey in his collegiate career
2. Kentucky’s offensive woes will be an issue all season. Last night’s numbers will be a common sight all year for Big Blue fans
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Consistency is the key. Compare and contrast his numbers against Gonzaga with his numbers against Kentucky. Big Sparty fan, glad he helped them win. This is the third season I have watched him play for a hall of fame coach and he hasn't shown it yet. I hope he gets there for Sparty's sake.
Agree. Personally, I don't think he will be consistent, but IF he was, I could see him making a team. He has the size, and skill offensively.
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1. Either can Sam
2. Looking at the box score, all UK forwards not named Oscar scored a combined scored a combined 15 points on 4-13 shooting.
Sam is a capable help defender and has a high basketball IQ that helps him in positioning and decision-making. Sam's also an elite shooter, and he was elite every season he played in college at two different schools playing two different styles in two different leagues. Joey has been more up and down offensively, and he's a statue defensively.
Since midway through Joey's freshman season (Sam's junior season), it became pretty apparent (to me at least) that Sam was the better NBA prospect, despite the fact that Joey was more hyped when both were in HS.
Having said that, I actually agree with you about Joey maybe being able to make an NBA team and hang around on the fringes if he proves he can shoot consistently at an elite level. NBA teams are willing to throw absurd amounts of money at guys who can hit 40-45% of their 3s. Duncan Robinson didn't get a bazillion dollars for his defense. Sam didn't just get a multimillion-dollar guarantee for his defense.
I'll give you the final word on this here if you want it, as we have an entire Hauser thread in the Superbar.
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Jamal Cain (and Oscar Robinson) highlights from the Sioux Falls Skyforce, from before Cain got called back up to the Heat
https://www.youtube.com/v/tYD_aHlcXDc
You guys are overlooking the real question here: is Miami’s g league team really in Sioux Falls??? That’s random as hell
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Don't we already have a Hauser thread to keep beating that dead horse. This is the JAMAL thread
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Don't we already have a Hauser thread to keep beating that dead horse. This is the JAMAL thread
Wake me up when we have a Sandy Cohen thread
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So yes, maybe Jamal could have done that sooner if Wojo wasn't a criminal. But if you really think Jamal was a 20/10 guy in the Big East, I don't know what to say. We just won't be able to agree, and neither of us can ever be proven "right" or "wrong."
In his final year at Villanova, Josh Hart averaged 18.7/6.4 and was named Big East Player of the Year. Mikal Bridges averaged 17.7/5.3 and was Big East First Team. I think that type of production was well within Cain's range of reality. But he never got the chance.
I think that is possible for Joplin right now as well. I thought it was possible for Justin a year ago. I don't think either of those beliefs are incongruous with a realistic perspective. And considering Jamal averaged 22.2/11.3 against top-100 opponents last year, I don't think it's a crazy notion that he could've become a Hart/Bridges type player in this league as well.
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In his final year at Villanova, Josh Hart averaged 18.7/6.4 and was named Big East Player of the Year. Mikal Bridges averaged 17.7/5.3 and was Big East First Team. I think that type of production was well within Cain's range of reality. But he never got the chance.
I think that is possible for Joplin right now as well. I thought it was possible for Justin a year ago. I don't think either of those beliefs are incongruous with a realistic perspective. And considering Jamal averaged 22.2/11.3 against top-100 opponents last year, I don't think it's a crazy notion that he could've become a Hart/Bridges type player in this league as well.
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Josh Hart and Mikal Bridgers are borderline NBA All Stars. They were NBA starters half way through their rookie years. They were top 80 recruits. They were doing what Cain did as a senior when they were sophomores. Whether you think Wojo wasted a year of Cain's development or not, Cain was not, is not, and never will be those two guys.
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Josh Hart and Mikal Bridgers are borderline NBA All Stars. They were NBA starters half way through their rookie years. They were top 80 recruits. They were doing what Cain did as a senior when they were sophomores. Whether you think Wojo wasted a year of Cain's development or not, Cain was not, is not, and never will be those two guys.
I'm talking about what they did in college. And per the 247 Composite, Cain (#100) was ranked higher than either Hart (#123) or Bridges (#114). We can dither about recruiting rankings, but they were all generally in that 75-125 range. And per kenpom, three of Cain's five closest comps his freshman year were future NBA players Josh Richardson, Sterling Brown, and Tony Snell. He looked the part, then he was shackled to the bench behind Joey and Bailey, then as soon as he left he looked the part again both at Oakland and with the Heat.
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You guys are overlooking the real question here: is Miami’s g league team really in Sioux Falls??? That’s random as hell
Think you're finally in the League and get to live in Miami? Think again, South Dakota in winter.
The Heat have the best development program in the League because these guys want to get out of South Dakota so damn bad.
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In his final year at Villanova, Josh Hart averaged 18.7/6.4 and was named Big East Player of the Year. Mikal Bridges averaged 17.7/5.3 and was Big East First Team. I think that type of production was well within Cain's range of reality. But he never got the chance.
I think that is possible for Joplin right now as well. I thought it was possible for Justin a year ago. I don't think either of those beliefs are incongruous with a realistic perspective. And considering Jamal averaged 22.2/11.3 against top-100 opponents last year, I don't think it's a crazy notion that he could've become a Hart/Bridges type player in this league as well.
It's not "crazy," but we'll respectfully agree to disagree. Have a good one.