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MUScoop => The Superbar => Topic started by: MuggsyB on September 22, 2022, 10:19:16 PM
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Fiona's path is heading directly towards one of my favorite places in the world. I don't think they have seen anything quite like this and the potential surge. My thoughts are with the Maritime Provinces and particularly Nova Scotia. I really hope these wonderful coastal towns are not completely devastated.
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Fiona's path is heading directly towards one of my favorite places in the world. I don't think they have seen anything quite like this and the potential surge. My thoughts are with the Maritime Provinces and particularly Nova Scotia. I really hope these wonderful coastal towns are not completely devastated.
Tell that to the people of Bermuda and PR.
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Tell that to the people of Bermuda and PR.
Well, of course but these are islands that see hurricanes constantly and have some preparation and knowledge of how to deal with them.
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Well, of course but these are islands that see hurricanes constantly and have some preparation and knowledge of how to deal with them.
Well, Bermuda and Puerto Rico do see hurricanes regularly, but as islands, both are limited by available resources and the difficulty of lifting supplies and manpower from the US mainland to these islands.
Puerto Rico was just blasted by this hurricane and I don't think the suffering there should be lessened by the fact that "it happens all the time."
The prayer should be that the folks are well-prepared and that emergency services are ready to deal with the Maritime Provinces before and after the hurricane hits.
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Bermuda seems to have escaped the wrath of Fiona for the most part. Heavy seas, TS force winds.
This could be the strongest hurricane (not storm) to hit Canada.
Meanwhile, TD 9 is predicted to grow into a major hurricane and hit Florida. >:(
Kid in college is right in the predicted path.
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Well, Bermuda and Puerto Rico do see hurricanes regularly, but as islands, both are limited by available resources and the difficulty of lifting supplies and manpower from the US mainland to these islands.
Puerto Rico was just blasted by this hurricane and I don't think the suffering there should be lessened by the fact that "it happens all the time."
The prayer should be that the folks are well-prepared and that emergency services are ready to deal with the Maritime Provinces before and after the hurricane hits.
It's easy to be an armchair quarterback when seeing the aftermath of a hurricane on TV and wondering why the recovery efforts are not as perfectly organized and efficient as we think they should be. The news coverage is primarily about property and infrastructure damage with some stories about the immense psychological damage to residents added into the narrative. Lives, homes, and businesses are lost.
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Homestead and NOLA feel forgotten.
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Well, Bermuda and Puerto Rico do see hurricanes regularly, but as islands, both are limited by available resources and the difficulty of lifting supplies and manpower from the US mainland to these islands.
Puerto Rico was just blasted by this hurricane and I don't think the suffering there should be lessened by the fact that "it happens all the time."
The prayer should be that the folks are well-prepared and that emergency services are ready to deal with the Maritime Provinces before and after the hurricane hits.
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I didn't mean to lessen the impact in the other countries. I have not traveled to them like Nova Scotia where I've been many times.
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Was fortunate to visit Bermuda and stay at a rental residence in the middle of the island.
No fresh water source in Bermuda. Residents have lime coated roofs on their homes and cisterns under the homes to collect the fresh water. The cisterns will probably be full to the brim after hurricane Fiona.
Also, fortunate to visit Puerto Rico before hurricanes Irma and Maria in 2017. I do not know if Puerto Rico has recovered from those two category 4 hurricanes. There was a Scooper living in PR giving updates at the time. Hopefully the USA gave Puerto Rico the aid it needed to recover and will for Fiona.
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Well, of course but these are islands that see hurricanes constantly and have some preparation and knowledge of how to deal with them.
Yeah but not really. There were parts of PR that are still destroyed after Maria five years later. We just stopped talking about them.
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Was fortunate to visit Bermuda and stay at a rental residence in the middle of the island.
No fresh water source in Bermuda. Residents have lime coated roofs on their homes and cisterns under the homes to collect the fresh water. The cisterns will probably be full to the brim after hurricane Fiona.
Also, fortunate to visit Puerto Rico before hurricanes Irma and Maria in 2017. I do not know if Puerto Rico has recovered from those two category 4 hurricanes. There was a Scooper living in PR giving updates at the time. Hopefully the USA gave Puerto Rico the aid it needed to recover and will for Fiona.
Maria was a 5. I haven't been since either, and I absolutely adore PR.
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Oh, my goodness. The Oak Island dig! How will Fiona affect that?!
I guess we will find out over the winter.
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Oh, my goodness. The Oak Island dig! How will Fiona affect that?!
I guess we will find out over the winter.
I can already see the last episode of the season storyline that they are currently filming with Rick Lagina saying "there's a once-a-century hurricane coming and we need to wrap up for the season."
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I expect at least two episodes about Fiona, as well as the narrator foreshadowing for at least 3 others.
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I expect at least two episodes about Fiona, as well as the narrator foreshadowing for at least 3 others.
"Will Fiona forever hide the Templar Treasure? Or lost Spanish gold?"
Queue camera pan to Peter & Dave Fornetti in Marquette garb.
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They always have their Traverse City winery.
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Oh, my goodness. The Oak Island dig! How will Fiona affect that?!
I guess we will find out over the winter.
I keep seeing click bait on the web with captions like "Oak Island treasure found!". No need to fall for it, but they DID find treasure. It's called their History Channel contract. My wife loves the show and I will sometimes watch part of it just to keep her happy. I think they deserve a special award for creating a show that could easily convey their story after editing about 70% of the episode tape. Tape it if you have insomnia. I think it will work every time.
At least I see Marquette gear on the show once in a while, so there's that.
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I expect at least two episodes about Fiona, as well as the narrator foreshadowing for at least 3 others.
It's the curse of the Knights Templar. That's what happens when you try to find their treasure.
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The brothers are a little older than I am. I remember reading about it when I was 8-9.
And yes, they must be getting close and this is the curse.
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At least I see Marquette gear on the show once in a while, so there's that.
The nephews are Marquette grads.
See Marquette Magazine page 32.
https://today.marquette.edu/wp-content/uploads/2021/12/Marq_Mag_Fall_2021_FINAL-s.pdf
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Meanwhile, TD 9 is predicted to grow into a major hurricane and hit Florida. >:(
Kid in college is right in the predicted path.
Uhhh, depending on which path, so am I!!!!
We're talking about leaving for a couple of days. Our house is very sturdy (built after the Hurricane Andrew building code changes) and I have a business trip scheduled for NYC next week.
The east coast of Florida won't get hit as hard as the west coast, but, yikes!
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Path shifted way west, so east. Coast ( and Orlando!) seems safe for now.
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Be safe Florida Scoopers, especially in Tampa. Ian is clearly going to get angrier. The potential storm surge right now doesn't look fun.
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I blame Scoop for making fun of Ian Anderson's flute.
Be safe Florida Men
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Who is evacuating? All of you stay safe.
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We are safe and sound in South Florida, but daughter is at UCF and the latest models show a(nother) shift east toward her. Might be heading out tomorrow to go get her. UCF keeps postponing its decision. >:(
There are two very different sets of models on this one. One heading if over west central Florida and one heading toward the panhandle. Very strange to see this significant of a different in models 72 hours out.
The one closer to central Florida landfall also shows it stopping just off shore as a Cat 3 or 4. Bad news for the Tampa bay area if it holds.
I keep saying "next forecast run will be clearer", I keep being wrong!
(Ft Myers should still be fine for the tournament)
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That is all that matters.
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We are safe and sound in South Florida, but daughter is at UCF and the latest models show a(nother) shift east toward her. Might be heading out tomorrow to go get her. UCF keeps postponing its decision. >:(
There are two very different sets of models on this one. One heading if over west central Florida and one heading toward the panhandle. Very strange to see this significant of a different in models 72 hours out.
The one closer to central Florida landfall also shows it stopping just off shore as a Cat 3 or 4. Bad news for the Tampa bay area if it holds.
I keep saying "next forecast run will be clearer", I keep being wrong!
(Ft Myers should still be fine for the tournament)
Ian may not listen to forecasters pbiflyer. I hope your daughter and family are safe.
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My parent's development in St Pete is in a mandatory evacuation zone. Scary stuff. Thank god they are up here for 2 weeks, coincidentally. Hopefully damage is minimal
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My parent's development in St Pete is in a mandatory evacuation zone. Scary stuff. Thank god they are up here for 2 weeks, coincidentally. Hopefully damage is minimal
The storm surge in Pinellas and Hillsboro counties could be devastating. Hope your parents place escapes unscathed. Glad they are safe.
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Good friend and his family in Cape Coral boogied out this afternoon to North Georgia.
My Fort Myers family seems to be consolidating together in one house near FGCU for the moment.
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My favorite cousin and his wife have a beautiful home in St. Pete's historic Old Northeast neighborhood. They have readied it for the hurricane as best they could and have evacuated to the Lauderdale area, where his wife has relatives. My only living aunt (my cousin's mom) is in an assisted living facility in St. Pete. "It's a brand new, concrete-block building that was built with these disasters in mind, and they have a readied disaster plan and a wonderful staff. She'll be safest there," my cousin said.
Hoping all of them come out of it OK, obviously.
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Have lots of business interests in Tampa /St Pete and all through the projected path into North and Central Florida that will be devastated
First we protect employees and then figure out how to wind down operations
This is going to be an expensive storm
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Have lots of business interests in Tampa /St Pete and all through the projected path into North and Central Florida that will be devastated
First we protect employees and then figure out how to wind down operations
This is going to be an expensive storm
This thing looks freaking nasty Herman. I hope it doesn't cause you tremendous problems.
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My parent's development in St Pete is in a mandatory evacuation zone. Scary stuff. Thank god they are up here for 2 weeks, coincidentally. Hopefully damage is minimal
Hoping for the best JWags.
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My favorite cousin and his wife have a beautiful home in St. Pete's historic Old Northeast neighborhood. They have readied it for the hurricane as best they could and have evacuated to the Lauderdale area, where his wife has relatives. My only living aunt (my cousin's mom) is in an assisted living facility in St. Pete. "It's a brand new, concrete-block building that was built with these disasters in mind, and they have a readied disaster plan and a wonderful staff. She'll be safest there," my cousin said.
Hoping all of them come out of it OK, obviously.
Ughhh....that's scary. I hope your Aunt and that building is spared from flooding
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It could be really ugly. Looking like Charlie redux. I obviously spoke too soon about Ft Myers being safe. I should know better.
Tons of low lying areas in the impact zones. And it looks like landfall will be around high tide potentially.
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Ughhh....that's scary. I hope your Aunt and that building is spared from flooding
Thanks Muggs. I also hope for good results for all of our fellow Scoopers who have loved ones in the path of the hurricane.
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Indeed.
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We are preparing for the worst . Got the employees out of harms way for the most part ( excepting localized tornadoes)
Have learned, from past experience ,the business interruption is impacted by how fast the power comes back on .
Insurance doesn’t pay much unless there is a direct hit . Then there is a big debate debate about how many deductibles there are . We say one , the Insurance company tries to count each incident as a separate deductible .
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This thing is no joke. Right now it looks like Fort Myers and Naples are going to get the strongest punch. Key West is getting 75 mph gusts and Ian isn't that close to shore. The thought of 8-12 feet of storm surge with relentless rain is an uh-oh situation with no solutions.
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This thing is no joke. Right now it looks like Fort Myers and Naples are going to get the strongest punch. Key West is getting 75 mph gusts and Ian isn't that close to shore. The thought of 8-12 feet of storm surge with relentless rain is an uh-oh situation with no solutions.
Some experts are predicting that many of the Florida Keys will be underwater within the next 20 years. This will not help.
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Will make landfall at or near a cat 5 Hurricane. Yikes. We had three tornadoes bracket our neighborhood last night.
We are now expecting strong tropical force winds and we are 150 miles away from it.
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Will make landfall at or near a cat 5 Hurricane. Yikes. We had three tornadoes bracket our neighborhood last night.
We are now expecting strong tropical force winds and we are 150 miles away from it.
Be safe!
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Some experts are predicting that many of the Florida Keys will be underwater within the next 20 years. This will not help.
Sea levels have been rising for the last 20000 years; so not much of a prediction except for the 20 year bit.
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Have lots of business interests in Tampa /St Pete and all through the projected path into North and Central Florida that will be devastated
First we protect employees and then figure out how to wind down operations
This is going to be an expensive storm
No pun intended, eh?
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Sea levels have been rising for the last 20000 years; so not much of a prediction except for the 20 year bit.
I was curious about this statement. If you are curious its true but pretty meaningless, especially in context of my perceived intent of the poster. The sea has been rising that long, but the intensity of the increases in the past 100 are on a different level. The increases are also accelerating.
https://ocean.si.edu/through-time/ancient-seas/sea-level-rise (https://ocean.si.edu/through-time/ancient-seas/sea-level-rise)
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Latest path is now causing us to close more operations throughout the state
This is literally a Perfect Storm in terms of destroying our business
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Latest path is now causing us to close more operations throughout the state
This is literally a Perfect Storm in terms of destroying our business
Thoughts and prayers to the Lee Island & Paradise Coasts.
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I was curious about this statement. If you are curious its true but pretty meaningless, especially in context of my perceived intent of the poster. The sea has been rising that long, but the intensity of the increases in the past 100 are on a different level. The increases are also accelerating.
https://ocean.si.edu/through-time/ancient-seas/sea-level-rise (https://ocean.si.edu/through-time/ancient-seas/sea-level-rise)
Thanks for doing the legwork on that, Frenns. Good context.
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Latest path is now causing us to close more operations throughout the state
This is literally a Perfect Storm in terms of destroying our business
I'm sorry for your troubles Herman. This storm could be the worst in the history of Florida. The amount of water and wind potential is insane.
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Some experts are predicting that many of the Florida Keys will be underwater within the next 20 years. This will not help.
Henningway wrote about the 1935 Hurricane which I believe was the worst in the history of the Keys. Obviously there were fewer people there but I think we abandoned a group of railway workers or something? Can't remember.
Oh, right Many veterans died building the overseas highway. Absolutely terrible. It was a true Cat 5.
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The 1928 one where Lake Okeechobee flooded was the deadliest in Florida. But since it didn’t damage coastal cities, it isn’t widely known.
Storm surge not looking good in Ft Myers.
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The 1928 one where Lake Okeechobee flooded was the deadliest in Florida. But since it didn’t damage coastal cities, it isn’t widely known.
Storm surge not looking good in Ft Myers.
Ya....it's the surge potential that looks absolutely brutal. I'm hoping something like this catastrophe can bring people together.
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I was curious about this statement. If you are curious its true but pretty meaningless, especially in context of my perceived intent of the poster. The sea has been rising that long, but the intensity of the increases in the past 100 are on a different level. The increases are also accelerating.
https://ocean.si.edu/through-time/ancient-seas/sea-level-rise (https://ocean.si.edu/through-time/ancient-seas/sea-level-rise)
Yes, some articles are projecting by 2025 many of the roads in the keys will be underwater, and too expensive to fix.
Here's one article:
https://www.greenmatters.com/p/florida-keys-underwater (https://www.greenmatters.com/p/florida-keys-underwater)
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https://twitter.com/MSNBC/status/1575185231753125890
I know exactly where this is. This was taken before high tide and before landfall, only going to get worse.
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The NYT on the trend of "rapid intensification" of hurricanes due to global warming:
A rapid intensification had shifted Hurricane Ian close to Category 5 by midday on Wednesday, with maximum sustained winds reaching 155 miles per hour. It had been a Category 3 storm the previous evening.
Meteorologists define rapid intensification as an increase of 30 knots, or 35 m.p.h., in a hurricane’s maximum sustained winds over a 24-hour period. Christopher Slocum, a physical scientist with the National Oceanic Atmospheric Administration, said that was definitely the case with Ian.
Forecasters had predicted that the storm might undergo rapid intensification after observing conditions that drive the process: a deep layer of very warm water to fuel the storm and very little wind shear, a situation where wind sharply changes speed or direction. Strong wind shear can inhibit the strengthening of hurricanes.
As the climate warms Earth’s oceans, more storms are undergoing rapid intensification. The last decade has provided a number of examples, among them Hurricanes Harvey, Irma and Maria in 2017, Hurricanes Michael and Florence in 2018 and Hurricane Ida in 2021.
Rapidly strengthening storms can present a challenge for public safety officials, who have limited time to issue critical guidance on when or if people should evacuate their homes and what other measures to take.
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I hope Lenny is staying safe...
My wife has family living in Cape Coral and they just evacuated yesterday... unfortunately, her cousin who also lives there is at the hospital with triplets in the NICU and cannot evacuate. I hope they're all right. :-\
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I've been thinking about Lenny, too. He hasn't checked in -- probably too damn busy. But I hope he and his loved ones are OK. This has developed into an incredibly devastating storm.
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I hope Lenny is staying safe...
My wife has family living in Cape Coral and they just evacuated yesterday... unfortunately, her cousin who also lives there is at the hospital with triplets in the NICU and cannot evacuate. I hope they're all right. :-\
Hoping for the best Hards, that's pretty scary. I know the hospitals and nursing homes have generators but I'm wondering how long they will last if thy lose power? I can't imagine restoring the grid will be easy.
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Let's all hope Lenny is okay.
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I've been thinking about Lenny, too. He hasn't checked in -- probably too damn busy. But I hope he and his loved ones are OK. This has developed into an incredibly devastating storm.
Probably without power.
Hoping for the best for him and his family. Isn't dgies there too?
Been through 3 hurricanes and they are not fun
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Lenny posted in another thread a few minutes ago so appears he is just fine.
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Guys
I am fine and very appreciative of your concerns. I’m actually in Chicago for a little business and my 60th grammar school reunion.
I head back Sunday. My wife is home and reports that we have 3 inches of water in our villa and more than that in our garage. We’ll lose some “stuff” but she’s OK and it’s just stuff. All in all we’re lucky - sadly many will not be. There will be a lot of real suffering.
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My 92 year old Grandma lives in Naples, currently in an extended rehab/assisted living facility. Very much a medical forward sort of place that is very nice.
Well, we found out today that their backup generator...DOESNT WORK. And it won't work for days. So they have moved many residents into a single big room with special outlets and are rolling in beds like a dorm. Some might have to be moved to other facilities.
She's doing fine, good spirits and taking it all in stride. But absolutely absurd for that sort of facility. Much less one that charges what they do.
I can hear the lawsuits intensifying equal to the strength of the storm itself.
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My 92 year old Grandma lives in Naples, currently in an extended rehab/assisted living facility. Very much a medical forward sort of place that is very nice.
Well, we found out today that their backup generator...DOESNT WORK. And it won't work for days. So they have moved many residents into a single big room with special outlets and are rolling in beds like a dorm. Some might have to be moved to other facilities.
She's doing fine, good spirits and taking it all in stride. But absolutely absurd for that sort of facility. Much less one that charges what they do.
I can hear the lawsuits intensifying equal to the strength of the storm itself.
Good grief. That is absurd and cannot happen. Hopefully she'lll lable to manage JWags.
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My 92 year old Grandma lives in Naples, currently in an extended rehab/assisted living facility. Very much a medical forward sort of place that is very nice.
Well, we found out today that their backup generator...DOESNT WORK. And it won't work for days. So they have moved many residents into a single big room with special outlets and are rolling in beds like a dorm. Some might have to be moved to other facilities.
She's doing fine, good spirits and taking it all in stride. But absolutely absurd for that sort of facility. Much less one that charges what they do.
I can hear the lawsuits intensifying equal to the strength of the storm itself.
Yikes
Wishing the best for your fam.
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That sucks jwags. FEMA has generators positioned for just such situations, so hopefully it gets addressed quickly.
Sharknado goes to Ft Myers: Taking it to the streets.
https://twitter.com/ArmandoSalguero/status/1575205383316336640?s=20&t=4FPzRwzA0f3VRd8oQpLvjA
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I was on a family vacation to Universal parks in Orlando this week that was cut slightly short by Ian. We were on the last day of our trip and going to ride one more ride on the way out of the park before we went back to hotel to prep for flight home the next morning (today) when we got the notification that our flight home had been cancelled. Turns out MCO closed one hour before our flight was supposed to depart so we just took our rental car and drove home to ATL where our car was parked. Stayed overnight on the way and got home this afternoon roughly at the same time we would have had we flown as planned.
On the drive up the FL Turnpike and I-75 we saw easily 400-500 electrical utility trucks heading south to pitch in, along with 100+ trucks carrying generators. Was truly impressed with the scale of the effort to help out. I imagine part of a FEMA mobilization as we continued to see them headed south long after we crossed into Georgia. Nice to see good folks willing to lend a hand.
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Guys
I am fine and very appreciative of your concerns. I’m actually in Chicago for a little business and my 60th grammar school reunion.
I head back Sunday. My wife is home and reports that we have 3 inches of water in our villa and more than that in our garage. We’ll lose some “stuff” but she’s OK and it’s just stuff. All in all we’re lucky - sadly many will not be. There will be a lot of real suffering.
Glad to hear your wife's OK, Tony, and even if "it's just stuff," hopefully it won't be too difficult for you. There certainly will be a lot of real suffering in your area, and these events are always so sad. We're all thinking of you and your neighbors.
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Glad to hear your wife's OK, Tony, and even if "it's just stuff," hopefully it won't be too difficult for you. There certainly will be a lot of real suffering in your area, and these events are always so sad. We're all thinking of you and your neighbors.
Thanks, Mike - much appreciated.
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https://twitter.com/SevereStudios/status/1575323012336914432
The full progression of the MASSIVE storm surge at Ft Myers Beach from SurgeCam 9 during Hurricane Ian. This cam was placed 8+ feet above the street surface.
Video on the link is nutty.
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https://twitter.com/SevereStudios/status/1575323012336914432
Video on the link is nutty.
Good lord.
The beach in Naples where my family and I preferred to go on visits, at Clam Pass Park, was basically slashed in half by the last bad storm to hit Naples years ago. Gotta think thats gonna happen again here.
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Bridges to sanibel and pine island impassable. Major road damage on sanibel.
Wonder if tournament is moved/cancelled? The Westin which is the team hotel did not look good in the brief shots I saw.
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My 92 year old Grandma lives in Naples, currently in an extended rehab/assisted living facility. Very much a medical forward sort of place that is very nice.
Well, we found out today that their backup generator...DOESNT WORK. And it won't work for days. So they have moved many residents into a single big room with special outlets and are rolling in beds like a dorm. Some might have to be moved to other facilities.
She's doing fine, good spirits and taking it all in stride. But absolutely absurd for that sort of facility. Much less one that charges what they do.
I can hear the lawsuits intensifying equal to the strength of the storm itself.
The facility persons should be testing the backup generator regularly. Major neglect somewhere down the line.
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Pretty breezy today in Piedmont NC.
Will be interesting to see if Ian intensifies when back at sea and what its strength will be when it goes back inland in South Carolina.
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Some video of the storm and damage. Multiple videos in the thread:
https://twitter.com/havanahistory/status/1575200487867297793
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Bridges to sanibel and pine island impassable. Major road damage on sanibel.
Wonder if tournament is moved/cancelled? The Westin which is the team hotel did not look good in the brief shots I saw.
Bridge is severed. Roads are washed away. It's going to be a long expensive recovery for Sanibel.
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Pretty breezy today in Piedmont NC.
Will be interesting to see if Ian intensifies when back at sea and what its strength will be when it goes back inland in South Carolina.
They've declared a tropical storm warning for Charlotte. It's supposed to pick up some strength after coming back inland -- especially tomorrow afternoon and evening, when we'll get hit with heavy rain and 35-50 mph winds -- but it looks like we'll be spared a truly horrible situation.
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Hopefully Florida will get the building materials they will need to rebuild.
My parents were snowbirds in central Florida and had a double wide.
I cannot recall what hurricane did the damage as I had been going down there throughout 1990-2010, but I remember locating building materials was tough to do repairs on the properties damaged. People were purchasing them in other states and trailering them into Florida.
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We had some pretty severe damage in our operations in Florida . Especially those that were in the direct line when the storm came on board . Hopefully power can come on line soon .
Going to be a lot of battles with insurance companies to pay claims
No one got hurt thankfully.
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DeSantis is calling it “basically a 500-year flood event."
Sadly, it could happen again next year. Or even later this year.
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DeSantis is calling it “basically a 500-year flood event."
Sadly, it could happen again next year. Or even later this year.
Here’s the thing about xxx-year flooding events and how that term is used.
A 500-year flood is just stating there’s a 0.2% chance of that severe of flooding annually. A 100-year flood is a 1% chance and so on.
These probabilities are based on historical rainfall data and then applied to flood plan maps. The problem with historical data is there is no weighting to more recent events, which are becoming more and more problematic.
Anyone can say “It’s a 500-year flood, we will never see this again.” When realistically coastal areas are now seeing “100-year” events more like every 30 years.
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Here’s the thing about xxx-year flooding events and how that term is used.
A 500-year flood is just stating there’s a 0.2% chance of that severe of flooding annually. A 100-year flood is a 1% chance and so on.
These probabilities are based on historical rainfall data and then applied to flood plan maps. The problem with historical data is there is no weighting to more recent events, which are becoming more and more problematic.
Anyone can say “It’s a 500-year flood, we will never see this again.” When realistically coastal areas are now seeing “100-year” events more like every 30 years.
100% correct.
Nads brings in politics and is wrong again. 🤣
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Here’s the thing about xxx-year flooding events and how that term is used.
A 500-year flood is just stating there’s a 0.2% chance of that severe of flooding annually. A 100-year flood is a 1% chance and so on.
These probabilities are based on historical rainfall data and then applied to flood plan maps. The problem with historical data is there is no weighting to more recent events, which are becoming more and more problematic.
Anyone can say “It’s a 500-year flood, we will never see this again.” When realistically coastal areas are now seeing “100-year” events more like every 30 years.
What data are you looking at for this 30 year claim? If you look at the strongest hurricanes on record in the USA many of them were before 1970 and three of the strongest ever in Florida were before 1940. Now when it comes to damage obviously the density of these areas have changed dramatically in 100 yrs.
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What data are you looking at for this 30 year claim? If you look at the strongest hurricanes on record in the USA many of them were before 1970 and three of the strongest ever in Florida were before 1940. Now when it comes to damage obviously the density of these areas have changed dramatically in 100 yrs.
100-year floods and hurricanes are not necessarily the same event.
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Totaling up our losses . Looks like a seven figure hit from Ian.
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https://youtu.be/al8yTiCVfro
Bonkers. And people stayed.
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Totaling up our losses . Looks like a seven figure hit from Ian.
I hope your business recovers quickly.
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I don't subscribe to Insider so I can't read the article, but the headline says: Airbnb’s refund policy doesn’t cover hurricanes in Florida, because they’re so common.
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I don't subscribe to Insider so I can't read the article, but the headline says: Airbnb’s refund policy doesn’t cover hurricanes in Florida, because they’re so common.
Some friends lost their whole trip to Daytona. No refund from ABNB and no refund/transfer from the airline. Sucks.
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Some friends lost their whole trip to Daytona. No refund from ABNB and no refund/transfer from the airline. Sucks.
That blows. Pretty effen heartless.
I thought I read that American and some other airlines were giving travel credits and/or free changes, but I could be mistaken.
I won't book an airbnb stay unless it has a really good cancellation date -- usually a week or less before the stay is supposed to start. But I'm not sure even that would have helped this time.
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I won't book an airbnb stay unless it has a really good cancellation date -- usually a week or less before the stay is supposed to start. But I'm not sure even that would have helped this time.
I'm so torn on ABNB/VRBO and some of the policies.
My good friend and his wife have a condo in Hilton Head they rent out a decent amount via VRBO. The stories Ive heard in just 2-3 years of ownership of people trying to cancel/get refunds/etc.. is baffling. They used to have a week cancellation window. But people kept trying to cancel/push back trips/do whatever based on weather reports or whatnot. Its a competitive market, they'd have a calendar book up months out, and then spurious cancellations suddenly leave you with pockets that you had no chance of filling. They had multiple cancellations, kid you not, cause people didn't realize it wasn't a private pool until barely a week before the trip...in a condo complex. They shifted their policy to 2 weeks and its been better.
That being said, I can understand some of the grey area with refunds and weather for stuff like that. You need to create a rule that applies in 99% of situations. Then that last 1% is discretionary. Still stinks, you'd think credit could be valid.
The airlines, no excuses there, thats a joke.
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My girlfriend's parents were supposed to go to Fort Meyers in a couple weeks and got a full refund on both their flights (might be airline credits) and from their rental (I believe it was VRBO and not ABNB).
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In my experience, VRBO is much better than ABNB.
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In my experience, VRBO is much better than ABNB.
+1. I had a number of pretty iffy ABNB experiences, and have neve once been disappointed by a VRBO. It would take a pretty desperate situation to make me choose a property on ABNB that I couldn't also get on VRBO at this point.
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In my experience, VRBO is much better than ABNB.
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I generally use vrbo to find a place but always call the owner. I have found most of them prefer to be dealt with directly and in the process waive the vrbo fees.
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Both VRBO and airbnb have so many fees now that oftentimes a hotel is the better value, especially for stays of 3 days or less, and especially if one can use points (or if one sticks with a certain brand to accumulate more points).
Some airbnbs and VRBOs charge cleaning fees of $200+ per stay. I guess if one is staying a week it kind of blends into the rest of the cost and taxes. But a 1-3 day stay ... it's like having to pay for another night (or close to it).
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We were headed to Cape Coral a couple weeks after Rudy Goebert coughed COVID into existence.
VRBO was super easy to get a non-expiring credit which we used in Charleston in November.
Still sitting on some Frontier vouchers.
Rental car was the only struggle, got 80% back.
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I hope your business recovers quickly.
Thanks we submitted an Insurance claim. Hopefully we can rebuild soon
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Interesting article that discusses how insurance rates have gone up considerably in Florida, insurers have been leaving the state for years, and events like Ian will drive up rates even higher. Florida real estate could end up being affordable only to rich people.
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/10/13/climate/florida-real-estate-hurricane-ian.html?campaign_id=4&emc=edit_dk_20221014&instance_id=74586&nl=dealbook®i_id=108420427&segment_id=109942&te=1&user_id=d36dcf821462fdd16ec3636710a855fa
This passage, near the end of the article, was illuminating IMHO:
Debbe Wibberg is a real estate agent in Cape San Blas, a slender peninsula just south of Mexico Beach on the Florida panhandle. She recently sought a new insurance policy for her own home, a small townhouse not far from the water, and now pays almost $3,000 a year for coverage.
Her new insurer won’t cover homes that are more than 20 years old, Ms. Wibberg said. And some companies have even stricter rules — for example, refusing to cover beach houses with wood piling foundations more than a decade old.
The pullback has been even more pronounced for people buying second homes or vacation rental properties, who make up most of her clientele, Ms. Wibberg said. Some of those clients are seeing premiums jump by 50 percent or more, which she said is beginning to hurt home prices.
If prospective home buyers start to have an even harder time finding insurance, what would happen to the local housing market?
Ms. Wibberg didn’t hesitate. “We won’t have one,” she said.
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The state and federal government will have to take over.
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Interesting article that discusses how insurance rates have gone up considerably in Florida, insurers have been leaving the state for years, and events like Ian will drive up rates even higher. Florida real estate could end up being affordable only to rich people.
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/10/13/climate/florida-real-estate-hurricane-ian.html?campaign_id=4&emc=edit_dk_20221014&instance_id=74586&nl=dealbook®i_id=108420427&segment_id=109942&te=1&user_id=d36dcf821462fdd16ec3636710a855fa
This passage, near the end of the article, was illuminating IMHO:
Debbe Wibberg is a real estate agent in Cape San Blas, a slender peninsula just south of Mexico Beach on the Florida panhandle. She recently sought a new insurance policy for her own home, a small townhouse not far from the water, and now pays almost $3,000 a year for coverage.
Her new insurer won’t cover homes that are more than 20 years old, Ms. Wibberg said. And some companies have even stricter rules — for example, refusing to cover beach houses with wood piling foundations more than a decade old.
The pullback has been even more pronounced for people buying second homes or vacation rental properties, who make up most of her clientele, Ms. Wibberg said. Some of those clients are seeing premiums jump by 50 percent or more, which she said is beginning to hurt home prices.
If prospective home buyers start to have an even harder time finding insurance, what would happen to the local housing market?
Ms. Wibberg didn’t hesitate. “We won’t have one,” she said.
Give Florida back to Spain
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I know people who have places on the coast whose houses or condo complexes, if not completely destroyed, are damaged enough that they may not be able to access them for months.
I know people who have places a couple miles inland who are absolutely fine.
It's probably best to not build so close to the coast where the storm surge is the biggest problem, but I doubt that's happening.
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https://babcockranch.com/
Or this. Never lost power or internet. Was being used to help shelter people from neighboring communities that weren't so fortunate.
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Many homes along coastal Carolina on stilts. Ground level strictly parking and storage.
Also, many are money earner vacation rentals. Hence, they pay themselves off.
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Many homes along coastal Carolina on stilts. Ground level strictly parking and storage.
Also, many are money earner vacation rentals. Hence, they pay themselves off.
There is a debate going on in NC on if the state (and taxpayers) should keep paying to rebuild Outer Banks roads that are wiped out in hurricanes when those roads lead only to a very few houses owned by multi-millionaires.
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Interesting article that discusses how insurance rates have gone up considerably in Florida, insurers have been leaving the state for years, and events like Ian will drive up rates even higher. Florida real estate could end up being affordable only to rich people.
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/10/13/climate/florida-real-estate-hurricane-ian.html?campaign_id=4&emc=edit_dk_20221014&instance_id=74586&nl=dealbook®i_id=108420427&segment_id=109942&te=1&user_id=d36dcf821462fdd16ec3636710a855fa
This passage, near the end of the article, was illuminating IMHO:
Debbe Wibberg is a real estate agent in Cape San Blas, a slender peninsula just south of Mexico Beach on the Florida panhandle. She recently sought a new insurance policy for her own home, a small townhouse not far from the water, and now pays almost $3,000 a year for coverage.
Her new insurer won’t cover homes that are more than 20 years old, Ms. Wibberg said. And some companies have even stricter rules — for example, refusing to cover beach houses with wood piling foundations more than a decade old.
The pullback has been even more pronounced for people buying second homes or vacation rental properties, who make up most of her clientele, Ms. Wibberg said. Some of those clients are seeing premiums jump by 50 percent or more, which she said is beginning to hurt home prices.
If prospective home buyers start to have an even harder time finding insurance, what would happen to the local housing market?
Ms. Wibberg didn’t hesitate. “We won’t have one,” she said.
We get the National Flood Insurance and also buy a secondary policy . The two combined are around 3500. Our regular home owners insurance is about 12,000 including 2 percent wind deductible
It will be interesting to see if they renew the Homeowner's Policy
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There is a debate going on in NC on if the state (and taxpayers) should keep paying to rebuild Outer Banks roads that are wiped out in hurricanes when those roads lead only to a very few houses owned by multi-millionaires.
I have to admit I have not been to the Outer Banks. But from numerous conversations with people that visited the Outer Banks I took away that it was a really special vacation spot. I went to the website /www.outerbanks.org and downloaded their travel guide.
It is too large to attach here. But visit the website and you can download the Outer Banks Official Travel Guide.
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I have to admit I have not been to the Outer Banks. But from numerous conversations with people that visited the Outer Banks I took away that it was a really special vacation spot. I went to the website /www.outerbanks.org and downloaded their travel guide.
It is too large to attach here. But visit the website and you can download the Outer Banks Official Travel Guide.
We’ve been and enjoyed it immensely.
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100-year floods and hurricanes are not necessarily the same event.
How do you separate the flood from the hurricane's storm surge? Without the hurricane there is no flood. How many 100 year coastal flooding events are there that are not caused by hurricanes?
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How do you separate the flood from the hurricane's storm surge? Without the hurricane there is no flood. How many 100 year coastal flooding events are there that are not caused by hurricanes?
Just, just don’t.
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I have to admit I have not been to the Outer Banks. But from numerous conversations with people that visited the Outer Banks I took away that it was a really special vacation spot. I went to the website /www.outerbanks.org and downloaded their travel guide.
It is too large to attach here. But visit the website and you can download the Outer Banks Official Travel Guide.
There are still some nice things about it. It is a beautiful area. It's still a nice drive end-to-end and there are still some more primitive areas.
But like almost every nice vacation/resort area, it has been taken over by money. Most of the charm that once existed is gone.
If you like three story vacation rentals, though, you will love it.
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There are still some nice things about it. It is a beautiful area. It's still a nice drive end-to-end and there are still some more primitive areas.
But like almost every nice vacation/resort area, it has been taken over by money. Most of the charm that once existed is gone.
If you like three story vacation rentals, though, you will love it.
We're sorry. Sound like we let you down
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We're sorry. Sound like we let you down
I was disappointed the last time I was there in 2019. It had lost much of its charm. I would still recommend it as somewhere to see in the US if someone hasn't been there before. Especially if heading down to the southern end.
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We’ve been and enjoyed it immensely.
Touron
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How do you separate the flood from the hurricane's storm surge? Without the hurricane there is no flood. How many 100 year coastal flooding events are there that are not caused by hurricanes?
Frequently. Here in Connecticut coastal flooding events happen during just the right moon at high tide and a strong wind simultaneously. Rebuilds and remodel are only allowed if the house goes on the stilts.
Nor'easters.
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"The Numbers," from the WSJ:
0.3%
Percentage of Florida Power & Light's 11.7 million solar panels that were damaged when southwest Florida was hit by Hurricane Ian. Neighborhoods powered by solar panels with backup batteries weathered the direct onslaught of the storm, utilities and developers said, keeping the lights on while millions of others lost power.
I wouldn't have guessed that to be the case. I would have thought a major hurricane would have sent solar panels flying, crushed them and/or made them inoperable.
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Babcock ranch is a model to draw from going forward.
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"The Numbers," from the WSJ:
0.3%
Percentage of Florida Power & Light's 11.7 million solar panels that were damaged when southwest Florida was hit by Hurricane Ian. Neighborhoods powered by solar panels with backup batteries weathered the direct onslaught of the storm, utilities and developers said, keeping the lights on while millions of others lost power.
I wouldn't have guessed that to be the case. I would have thought a major hurricane would have sent solar panels flying, crushed them and/or made them inoperable.
https://floridasolardesigngroup.com/do-solar-panels-meet-miami-dade-hurricane-wind-requirements/
Maybe others meet also.
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I like that that 2015 article does a good job articulating what the requirements are to put solar panels on a home in Florida. It seemed logical and straightforward.