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Title: Marquette Madness Cancelled
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on September 13, 2022, 06:39:50 PM
Cost of ATV gas too high? Shaka doesn't like Judo? Team too small to dunk?

https://marquettewire.org/4081000/sports/marquette-madness-cancelled-for-2022/
Title: Re: Marquette Madness Cancelled
Post by: Pakuni on September 13, 2022, 06:43:40 PM
Cost of ATV gas too high? Shaka doesn't like Judo? Team too small to dunk?

https://marquettewire.org/4081000/sports/marquette-madness-cancelled-for-2022/

Got to keep preseason expectations in check.
Title: Re: Marquette Madness Cancelled
Post by: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on September 13, 2022, 07:24:19 PM
Honestly probably a little tired.
Title: Re: Marquette Madness Cancelled
Post by: NCMUFan on September 13, 2022, 07:30:15 PM
Well, that is disappointing.
Title: Re: Marquette Madness Cancelled
Post by: CountryRoads on September 13, 2022, 07:32:46 PM
I used to attend years ago and it was fun, but I think the event is pretty cringe now. I don’t really think the kids (players or students) are really that into that type of stuff anymore. Probably a good decision.
Title: Re: Marquette Madness Cancelled
Post by: rocket surgeon on September 13, 2022, 07:56:05 PM
if shaka only knew how to play the piano
Title: Re: Marquette Madness Cancelled
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on September 13, 2022, 08:09:48 PM
My guess is that the players voted not to do it. I hate to say it but it had gotten kind of stale. I prefer the Haunted Hoops event
Title: Re: Marquette Madness Cancelled
Post by: NCMUFan on September 13, 2022, 08:44:59 PM
The intersquad scrimmage was always fun.
1st chance to see the new players.
Once that was gone, well, not much left worthwhile to see.
Title: Re: Marquette Madness Cancelled
Post by: MU82 on September 13, 2022, 08:46:31 PM
This decision is pure ... um ... madness!
Title: Re: Marquette Madness Cancelled
Post by: rocky_warrior on September 13, 2022, 11:18:10 PM
Well crap, now I need to change the countdown clock.
Title: Re: Marquette Madness Cancelled
Post by: Viper on September 14, 2022, 07:42:56 AM
My guess is that the players voted not to do it. I hate to say it but it had gotten kind of stale. I prefer the Haunted Hoops event
Wizard? When was the crowning? Has Bill Raftery approved this?
Title: Re: Marquette Madness Cancelled
Post by: Scoop Snoop on September 14, 2022, 08:05:18 AM
Wizard? When was the crowning? Has Bill Raftery approved this?

He is no wizard. Just to prove that, I dare him to make me disappear. (Waits 3 minutes).

See! I told you so. He can't make me disa...


                                                                 POOF!
Title: Re: Marquette Madness Cancelled
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on September 14, 2022, 08:07:10 AM
Wizard? When was the crowning? Has Bill Raftery approved this?

https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=63568.msg1467136#msg1467136
Title: Re: Marquette Madness Cancelled
Post by: Daniel on September 14, 2022, 08:48:30 AM
Canceling it looks bad.  Just not schedule it in the first place with a reason why.   When you cancel an event it always causes wonder and lots of questions.   
Title: Re: Marquette Madness Cancelled
Post by: MUfan12 on September 14, 2022, 09:04:03 AM
Canceling it looks bad.  Just not schedule it in the first place with a reason why.   When you cancel an event it always causes wonder and lots of questions.

Good thing it was never scheduled for this season.
Title: Re: Marquette Madness Cancelled
Post by: brewcity77 on September 14, 2022, 09:15:53 AM
Good thing it was never scheduled for this season.

But now that it's been reported as cancelled from Marquette athletics, that's still exactly where they sit.

It would be like Marquette cancelling graduation ceremonies for 2025 and just mailing diplomas instead. They may not have put graduation on the actual calendar yet, but like Marquette Madness, it's an expected thing that happens every year.
Title: Re: Marquette Madness Cancelled
Post by: Jay Bee on September 14, 2022, 09:16:10 AM
Just didn’t want to let the world see we have at least 3 newcomers who are destined for the NBA

Surprised to learn that quite a few BEast teams don’t have an event planned
Title: Re: Marquette Madness Cancelled
Post by: MUfan12 on September 14, 2022, 09:24:51 AM
MU never said it was cancelled. Those were the Trib's words.

I just can't fathom how people are worked up about this. The event sucked ass. Followed the same pattern... Crowd was hyped for the intros, faded in the (missed) dunk contest, and flatlined for the scrimmage.

If the students aren't into it, and judging by the last few they're not, there's no point in doing it. Clearly the interest is there based on them selling out the student section.

MU has far bigger issues with the STH/general public. Whole sections of Fiserv are damn near empty and they get basically no walk-up. For the good of the program, I'd rather them invest into growing sales that way, but I don't know if they have the resources to do it.
Title: Re: Marquette Madness Cancelled
Post by: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on September 14, 2022, 09:37:49 AM
But now that it's been reported as cancelled from Marquette athletics, that's still exactly where they sit.

It would be like Marquette cancelling graduation ceremonies for 2025 and just mailing diplomas instead. They may not have put graduation on the actual calendar yet, but like Marquette Madness, it's an expected thing that happens every year.


Commencement is a rite of passage at every college nationwide and has been going on at Marquette for over 100 years. Cancelling commencement really doesn't make sense because it is a very important event that marks the successful completion of the core thing that a university does.

The other is an event to hype up the upcoming basketball season for the last couple of decades.  Events like these are "cancelled" all of the time.


I just can't fathom how people are worked up about this. The event sucked ass. Followed the same pattern... Crowd was hyped for the intros, faded in the (missed) dunk contest, and flatlined for the scrimmage.

If the students aren't into it, and judging by the last few they're not, there's no point in doing it. Clearly the interest is there based on them selling out the student section.

Yep. It was an event that had its time. That time is gone.


MU has far bigger issues with the STH/general public. Whole sections of Fiserv are damn near empty and they get basically no walk-up. For the good of the program, I'd rather them invest into growing sales that way, but I don't know if they have the resources to do it.

These aren't really either/or issues. But winning will solve most of it.
Title: Re: Marquette Madness Cancelled
Post by: MUfan12 on September 14, 2022, 09:42:28 AM
These aren't really either/or issues. But winning will solve most of it.

Right, but MU's statement kinda felt that way- "We are focusing promotional efforts on our regular-season games at both Fiserv Forum and the Al McGuire Center..."
Title: Re: Marquette Madness Cancelled
Post by: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on September 14, 2022, 09:44:45 AM
I mean, I get it, but that just sounds like something that schools say when they need a reason to say something.  They don't want to say "Madness has been drawing less people because it got boring."
Title: Re: Marquette Madness Cancelled
Post by: NCMUFan on September 14, 2022, 10:09:43 AM
Didn't they give breakfast biscuits or something like that one year?
Free food would be an incentive to getting students to attend.
Title: Re: Marquette Madness Cancelled
Post by: cheebs09 on September 14, 2022, 10:15:58 AM
It was kind of stale by the end of my tenure in 2012. Once you remove the suspense of Crean possibly tipping an ATV or a player breaking their hand on a board, it loses some luster.

Part of me also thinks the players might have been tired of it. I remember always hearing they had already practiced that day, so you couldn’t take too much from the scrimmage due to fatigue.
Title: Re: Marquette Madness Cancelled
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on September 14, 2022, 10:18:59 AM
The goal is getting the 3k of student season tickets holders at the Central Michigan game. Also, getting Marquette students who don't have season tickets or ever been to a game to be coming to this game.

Focus also will be on the practice at Fiserv Forum. Reviews from people that actually enjoy that event.
Title: Re: Marquette Madness Cancelled
Post by: Jay Bee on September 14, 2022, 10:43:54 AM
#MarquetteSadness
Title: Re: Marquette Madness Cancelled
Post by: muwarrior69 on September 14, 2022, 10:50:45 AM
But now that it's been reported as cancelled from Marquette athletics, that's still exactly where they sit.

It would be like Marquette cancelling graduation ceremonies for 2025 and just mailing diplomas instead. They may not have put graduation on the actual calendar yet, but like Marquette Madness, it's an expected thing that happens every year.

Not a bad idea. I already had my job lined up ( in New Jersey) so I opted for the University to mail me my diploma. Nothing more boring in my opinion is sitting there listening to some politician/celebrity giving a commencement speech, throwing your cap in the air and everyone self congratulating each other for an outcome that should be expected after putting in all the work; and they don't even hand you your diploma at the commencement. I got more satisfaction receiving my first paycheck.

My parents were disappointed though and for that I do have some regrets.
Title: Re: Marquette Madness Cancelled
Post by: We R Final Four on September 14, 2022, 10:53:16 AM
The goal is getting the 3k of student season tickets holders at the Central Michigan game. Also, getting Marquette students who don't have season tickets or ever been to a game to be coming to this game.

Focus also will be on the practice at Fiserv Forum. Reviews from people that actually enjoy that event.

This.
Title: Re: Marquette Madness Cancelled
Post by: Skip Intro on September 14, 2022, 11:31:50 AM
Social media engagement with the team throughout the off-season and preseason also makes this event a bit unnecessary.  Now they can post well-edited videos almost daily to hype up the student fan base.  Avoiding an awkwardly paced pseudo-practice was probably welcomed by the players and Shaka. 
Title: Re: Marquette Madness Cancelled
Post by: brewcity77 on September 14, 2022, 11:41:15 AM
Madness drew no one in 2020 because it was 2020. It had minimal attendance last year because of a pandemic and masking requirements. A roughly 25-year tradition isn't exactly "we tried this a couple times and it didn't go great."

If Marquette wants to generate excitement around the new regime that already outperformed expectations, events like this are how you do it. Might that mean reimagining or innovating it? Sure. But cancelling it when the only other preseason options are the STH-only event at Fiserv and the kid-themed Haunted Hoops (particularly with no exhibition) seems short-sighted.

Frankly, their marketing recently has sucked. I never received my picking time mailer or point update this year. As I've been incredibly busy with a work transition, I missed my pick time because of that. Moving a buy game to the Al, cancelling Madness, the poorly attended picnic, and hiring a social media director with no Twitter experience isn't exactly a "we know what we're doing" approach.
Title: Re: Marquette Madness Cancelled
Post by: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on September 14, 2022, 12:05:34 PM
Madness drew no one in 2020 because it was 2020. It had minimal attendance last year because of a pandemic and masking requirements. A roughly 25-year tradition isn't exactly "we tried this a couple times and it didn't go great."

If Marquette wants to generate excitement around the new regime that already outperformed expectations, events like this are how you do it. Might that mean reimagining or innovating it? Sure. But cancelling it when the only other preseason options are the STH-only event at Fiserv and the kid-themed Haunted Hoops (particularly with no exhibition) seems short-sighted.

Frankly, their marketing recently has sucked. I never received my picking time mailer or point update this year. As I've been incredibly busy with a work transition, I missed my pick time because of that. Moving a buy game to the Al, cancelling Madness, the poorly attended picnic, and hiring a social media director with no Twitter experience isn't exactly a "we know what we're doing" approach.


I think these are legitimate criticisms. But I think when people are saying that losing Madness isn't that big of a deal, they are reflecting on what Madness was back in the day compared to how it has come off recently.  I agree that they should be doing SOMETHING to generate excitement, but I just feel that the current Madness concept was tired.
Title: Re: Marquette Madness Cancelled
Post by: MuggsyB on September 14, 2022, 12:13:26 PM
Pretty disappointing.
Title: Re: Marquette Madness Cancelled
Post by: avid1010 on September 14, 2022, 12:15:59 PM
My guess is that the players voted not to do it. I hate to say it but it had gotten kind of stale. I prefer the Haunted Hoops event
Has a date/time been announced for Haunted Hoops?
Title: Re: Marquette Madness Cancelled
Post by: cheebs09 on September 14, 2022, 12:18:48 PM
If they wanted to do some event to generate hype, why not combine the STH picnic with a welcome back picnic for the students hosted by the Men’s and Women’s teams? Have a set time that coaches will talk and introduce the players. You could have a hoop setup and a table to register for tickets.

If there’s one thing I remember, free food brought a decent turnout for college students.

I feel like the period of the Drake’s of the world going to UK’s Madness set the expectations so high that anything else is kind of a letdown. Frankly, lack of success also hurts the excitement.
Title: Re: Marquette Madness Cancelled
Post by: Lennys Tap on September 14, 2022, 12:19:04 PM
Madness drew no one in 2020 because it was 2020. It had minimal attendance last year because of a pandemic and masking requirements. A roughly 25-year tradition isn't exactly "we tried this a couple times and it didn't go great."

If Marquette wants to generate excitement around the new regime that already outperformed expectations, events like this are how you do it. Might that mean reimagining or innovating it? Sure. But cancelling it when the only other preseason options are the STH-only event at Fiserv and the kid-themed Haunted Hoops (particularly with no exhibition) seems short-sighted.

Frankly, their marketing recently has sucked. I never received my picking time mailer or point update this year. As I've been incredibly busy with a work transition, I missed my pick time because of that. Moving a buy game to the Al, cancelling Madness, the poorly attended picnic, and hiring a social media director with no Twitter experience isn't exactly a "we know what we're doing" approach.

I agree with this analysis.
Title: Re: Marquette Madness Cancelled
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on September 14, 2022, 12:22:33 PM
Has a date/time been announced for Haunted Hoops?
Not yet. It's a bit early.
Title: Re: Marquette Madness Cancelled
Post by: MU Fan in Connecticut on September 14, 2022, 12:22:59 PM
For another school example, Xavier hold's Muskie Madness on Parent's Weekend as one of the family events.  Men's and Women's teams hold scrimmages and all people who attend get a t-shirt.
Title: Re: Marquette Madness Cancelled
Post by: brewcity77 on September 14, 2022, 12:26:00 PM
Has a date/time been announced for Haunted Hoops?

If they follow last year's calendar, the STH practice would be Thursday, October 13 & Haunted Hoops would be Sunday, October 30. Personally, I look forward to HH the most. Fantastic event.
Title: Re: Marquette Madness Cancelled
Post by: tower912 on September 14, 2022, 12:26:37 PM
#MarquetteSadness


Bravo
Title: Re: Marquette Madness Cancelled
Post by: Scoop Snoop on September 14, 2022, 12:27:11 PM
Madness drew no one in 2020 because it was 2020. It had minimal attendance last year because of a pandemic and masking requirements. A roughly 25-year tradition isn't exactly "we tried this a couple times and it didn't go great."

If Marquette wants to generate excitement around the new regime that already outperformed expectations, events like this are how you do it. Might that mean reimagining or innovating it? Sure. But cancelling it when the only other preseason options are the STH-only event at Fiserv and the kid-themed Haunted Hoops (particularly with no exhibition) seems short-sighted.

Frankly, their marketing recently has sucked. I never received my picking time mailer or point update this year. As I've been incredibly busy with a work transition, I missed my pick time because of that. Moving a buy game to the Al, cancelling Madness, the poorly attended picnic, and hiring a social media director with no Twitter experience isn't exactly a "we know what we're doing" approach.

This is especially disappointing because Shaka and his VCU team took Richmond by storm. The entire metro area bought in. Of course, success on the court was a huge factor but their band and the way the students and other fans bought into Havoc and the game experience was contagious. It fed on itself. Granted, VCU being very strong in the performing (as well as the visual) arts helped with the creation of a great band, but I'm trying to focus on the overall effect.
Title: Re: Marquette Madness Cancelled
Post by: muwarrior69 on September 14, 2022, 12:34:55 PM
Madness drew no one in 2020 because it was 2020. It had minimal attendance last year because of a pandemic and masking requirements. A roughly 25-year tradition isn't exactly "we tried this a couple times and it didn't go great."

If Marquette wants to generate excitement around the new regime that already outperformed expectations, events like this are how you do it. Might that mean reimagining or innovating it? Sure. But cancelling it when the only other preseason options are the STH-only event at Fiserv and the kid-themed Haunted Hoops (particularly with no exhibition) seems short-sighted.

Frankly, their marketing recently has sucked. I never received my picking time mailer or point update this year. As I've been incredibly busy with a work transition, I missed my pick time because of that. Moving a buy game to the Al, cancelling Madness, the poorly attended picnic, and hiring a social media director with no Twitter experience isn't exactly a "we know what we're doing" approach.

I think it has lost its luster because of the practice rule changes. Though our relationship with FOX  has been beneficial I always thought college game day on ESPN really highlighted the programs that hosted the show. Despite that many here feel Crean still sucks he did sell Marquette basketball more than any coach in the last 20 years.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Midnight_Madness_(basketball)
Title: Re: Marquette Madness Cancelled
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on September 14, 2022, 12:42:36 PM
Right, but MU's statement kinda felt that way- "We are focusing promotional efforts on our regular-season games at both Fiserv Forum and the Al McGuire Center..."

Speaking of which, I reached out to them a week or so ago on when the STH single game tickets sales are now that the BE schedule is out? Crickets...

Can't sell tickets if you don't have a broad communication on timelines and process.
Title: Re: Marquette Madness Cancelled
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on September 14, 2022, 12:49:57 PM
I mean, I get it, but that just sounds like something that schools say when they need a reason to say something.  They don't want to say "Madness has been drawing less people because it got boring."

Madness is drawing less people as they made it a student only event during homecoming (this weekend).  Students stuck around for the giveaways and intros and would leave.

That said, MU has a student only game this year at The Al instead.  More so, our next two recruiting classes are full so this isn't a big opportunity for recruits. The CMU game will be a better opportunity for future recruits.
Title: Re: Marquette Madness Cancelled
Post by: real chili 83 on September 14, 2022, 12:51:31 PM
Get back to the block party.
Title: Re: Marquette Madness Cancelled
Post by: Jay Bee on September 14, 2022, 12:54:15 PM
Maybe they were afraid of another convocation-type protest…
Title: Re: Marquette Madness Cancelled
Post by: jesmu84 on September 14, 2022, 12:54:36 PM
God damn cancel culture
Title: Re: Marquette Madness Cancelled
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on September 14, 2022, 01:20:52 PM
Speaking of which, I reached out to them a week or so ago on when the STH single game tickets sales are now that the BE schedule is out? Crickets...



That stuff always happens in October.
Title: Re: Marquette Madness Cancelled
Post by: The Lens on September 14, 2022, 01:37:44 PM
But will complaining about no Madness be as fulfilling as complaining about how much Madness stunk?
Title: Re: Marquette Madness Cancelled
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on September 14, 2022, 01:55:44 PM
That stuff always happens in October.

Again, my complaint is about communication and process, just like in this case with Madness where the student newspaper prompted the AD. When are these open scrimmages, when are the kickoff events, what are the packs, are there limits on single game purchases, is there a Halloween event, what are the costs, is there a Bud Light corner? When is NMD?

If MU's focus is selling, they need to market. It's like for the Summer BBQ event, the communication came shortly before and MU was surprised by the low turn out/sign up.
Title: Re: Marquette Madness Cancelled
Post by: Shooter McGavin on September 14, 2022, 02:28:17 PM
For another school example, Xavier hold's Muskie Madness on Parent's Weekend as one of the family events.  Men's and Women's teams hold scrimmages and all people who attend get a t-shirt.

This would be perfect.  Great idea.
Title: Re: Marquette Madness Cancelled
Post by: avid1010 on September 14, 2022, 02:35:26 PM
Not yet. It's a bit early.
Why?  Is it a scheduling issue for MU to go out 1.5 months at the AL because of other sports/needs that would take priority or does MU basketball need flexibility?

Title: Re: Marquette Madness Cancelled
Post by: Uncle Rico on September 14, 2022, 02:37:31 PM
They cancelled because of the mope squad
Title: Re: Marquette Madness Cancelled
Post by: swoopem on September 14, 2022, 02:40:07 PM
Bring back FFP!!!
Title: Re: Marquette Madness Cancelled
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on September 14, 2022, 02:44:22 PM
Bring back FFP!!!

We could recruit 5 stars again!
Title: Re: Marquette Madness Cancelled
Post by: NCMUFan on September 14, 2022, 02:46:02 PM
But will complaining about no Madness be as fulfilling as complaining about how much Madness stunk?
Deep!
Title: Re: Marquette Madness Cancelled
Post by: swoopem on September 14, 2022, 02:58:57 PM
We could recruit 5 stars again!

Thanks a lot, Pilarz
Title: Re: Marquette Madness Cancelled
Post by: brewcity77 on September 14, 2022, 03:40:28 PM
Again, my complaint is about communication and process, just like in this case with Madness where the student newspaper prompted the AD. When are these open scrimmages, when are the kickoff events, what are the packs, are there limits on single game purchases, is there a Halloween event, what are the costs, is there a Bud Light corner? When is NMD?

If MU's focus is selling, they need to market. It's like for the Summer BBQ event, the communication came shortly before and MU was surprised by the low turn out/sign up.

All of this and then some. Marquette's marketing and communication is terrible. I don't think it's a coincidence that right after that article came out they tweeted that all student tickets sold. It's Marquette saying "we don't have to do Madness, we already have your money."

There is a lack of marketing for the events they have which leads to poor attendance and claims that the events aren't worth it. They say this is to improve in season promotions, and I hope so because last year sucked.

No creativity, no new initiatives, this takes away the likely best opportunity to see the women's team before the season, it feels like nothing but a series of dropped balls that started in the Wojo era followed by a lack of capitalizing on the excitement of a new coach.
Title: Re: Marquette Madness Cancelled
Post by: Jay Bee on September 14, 2022, 03:54:04 PM
^^^ but otherwise, how’s life goin 4 ya?
Title: Re: Marquette Madness Cancelled
Post by: wadesworld on September 14, 2022, 03:55:05 PM
All buy games should be at the Al.  Especially the ones that fall during winter break.  Or rent out Panther Arena for them for an arena in between those two.

If they just made Madness a one hour men's scrimmage and introduced the woman's team at halftime, maybe mic up the coaches, it'd be worth going to.  As it was, they tried way too hard to hype up a crowd that wasn't interested in being all that hyped up.  Have the team already warmed up in the practice gym, do introductions, play 10 minute halves, introduce the women's team at half, and get out of there.  If you really want to make sure people show up, have a block party with free food starting an hour beforehand and have Shaka walk around and talk to people while the assistants get the team warmed up.
Title: Re: Marquette Madness Cancelled
Post by: BrewCity83 on September 14, 2022, 03:59:16 PM
If they just made Madness a one hour men's scrimmage and introduced the woman's team at halftime, maybe mic up the coaches, it'd be worth going to.  As it was, they tried way too hard to hype up a crowd that wasn't interested in being all that hyped up.  Have the team already warmed up in the practice gym, do introductions, play 10 minute halves, introduce the women's team at half, and get out of there.  If you really want to make sure people show up, have a block party with free food starting an hour beforehand and have Shaka walk around and talk to people while the assistants get the team warmed up.

I like this idea.  And actually have it at midnight so the students are all half in the bag.
Title: Re: Marquette Madness Cancelled
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on September 14, 2022, 03:59:54 PM
If MU wants to recruit 5 stars and win national championships, we need a new culture.

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Title: Re: Marquette Madness Cancelled
Post by: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on September 14, 2022, 04:00:49 PM
All buy games should be at the Al.  Especially the ones that fall during winter break.  Or rent out Panther Arena for them for an arena in between those two.


There are no buy games during winter break.

And why not just play them at FF? Why play in a crappier arena if you don't have to?
Title: Re: Marquette Madness Cancelled
Post by: wadesworld on September 14, 2022, 04:04:52 PM
If MU wants to recruit 5 stars and win national championships, we need a new culture.

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AGREEEEEED!

And now it's all legal too!
Title: Re: Marquette Madness Cancelled
Post by: brewcity77 on September 14, 2022, 04:07:34 PM
All buy games should be at the Al.  Especially the ones that fall during winter break.  Or rent out Panther Arena for them for an arena in between those two.

This feels like you're asking Marquette to fail. Do you think they can afford to throw 50,000 sold seats in the trash every year?
Title: Re: Marquette Madness Cancelled
Post by: wadesworld on September 14, 2022, 04:13:02 PM
This feels like you're asking Marquette to fail. Do you think they can afford to throw 50,000 sold seats in the trash every year?

Since they were paying $29,000/game in rent and $285K for the season for suite rentals at the BC, I'm guessing those numbers are way higher at the Fiserv Forum.  So they'd probably be saving quite a bit of coin by lowering the number of games they need to pay for rent at FF for.
Title: Re: Marquette Madness Cancelled
Post by: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on September 14, 2022, 04:19:30 PM
Since they were paying $29,000/game in rent and $285K for the season for suite rentals at the BC, I'm guessing those numbers are way higher at the Fiserv Forum.  So they'd probably be saving quite a bit of coin by lowering the number of games they need to pay for rent at FF for.


So your idea is that STH packages should be reduced by four games and either priced the same, pissing everyone off in the process because they get less product. Or simply taking in less revenue. (And I am sure that marginal revenue is higher than the marginal expense of playing in FF.)

This doesn't seem well thought through.
Title: Re: Marquette Madness Cancelled
Post by: JakeBarnes on September 14, 2022, 04:19:47 PM
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Title: Re: Marquette Madness Cancelled
Post by: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on September 14, 2022, 04:21:44 PM
https://www.instagram.com/p/CigHm3isf2e/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y= (https://www.instagram.com/p/CigHm3isf2e/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=)


Can we still be outraged?  I would like to be outraged some more.
Title: Re: Marquette Madness Cancelled
Post by: wadesworld on September 14, 2022, 04:31:34 PM

So your idea is that STH packages should be reduced by four games and either priced the same, pissing everyone off in the process because they get less product. Or simply taking in less revenue. (And I am sure that marginal revenue is higher than the marginal expense of playing in FF.)

This doesn't seem well thought through.

Would people be pissed off?  I mean, they choose not to go to those games anyway.

The Bucks are the group that benefits.
Title: Re: Marquette Madness Cancelled
Post by: Jay Bee on September 14, 2022, 04:33:05 PM

Can we still be outraged?  I would like to be outraged some more.

9:30 in the got damn morning? Yeah, we can be hella outraged!!!
Title: Re: Marquette Madness Cancelled
Post by: brewcity77 on September 14, 2022, 04:34:43 PM
Since they were paying $29,000/game in rent and $285K for the season for suite rentals at the BC, I'm guessing those numbers are way higher at the Fiserv Forum.  So they'd probably be saving quite a bit of coin by lowering the number of games they need to pay for rent at FF for.

Tell me you don't know how season ticket packages work without telling me you don't know how season ticket packages work.
Title: Re: Marquette Madness Cancelled
Post by: tower912 on September 14, 2022, 04:45:33 PM
Yay!   A Blue and Gold scrimmage!   When God closes a door, he opens a window.
Title: Re: Marquette Madness Cancelled
Post by: Jay Bee on September 14, 2022, 05:03:21 PM
Yay!   A Blue and Gold scrimmage!   When God closes a door, he opens a window.

Someone please find out if any kids (MUTV, wire, etc) or others will be broadcasting the scrimmage. I will try to wake up to watch live if so, but no promises
Title: Re: Marquette Madness Cancelled
Post by: We R Final Four on September 14, 2022, 05:05:46 PM
https://www.instagram.com/p/CigHm3isf2e/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y= (https://www.instagram.com/p/CigHm3isf2e/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=)

Its not the greatness of Haunted Hoops, but at least there is something new to bitch about.
Title: Re: Marquette Madness Cancelled
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on September 14, 2022, 05:25:43 PM
https://www.instagram.com/p/CigHm3isf2e/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y= (https://www.instagram.com/p/CigHm3isf2e/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=)

This is probably a better idea than madness
Title: Re: Marquette Madness Cancelled
Post by: real chili 83 on September 14, 2022, 05:34:34 PM
This is probably a better idea than madness

Block party.
Title: Re: Marquette Madness Cancelled
Post by: brewcity77 on September 14, 2022, 05:35:34 PM
Safe to say this is a response to the Madness response. This wasn't on the calendar this morning. Someone scrambled to get this done.

And while something is better than nothing, I'd like to see an athletic department that is proactive rather than reactive. When asked by MU Wire if Madness was cancelled, the proper response would've been to delay and say "no, we're trying the inaugural Morning Madness! It will be open to the public and showcase both programs while giving fans the basketball experience with a more fan friendly schedule."
Title: Re: Marquette Madness Cancelled
Post by: Shooter McGavin on September 14, 2022, 05:39:15 PM
This is probably a better idea than madness

Yep.  Gives the diehards and the students most interested a better ideas of how the team is shaping up.
Title: Re: Marquette Madness Cancelled
Post by: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on September 14, 2022, 05:39:43 PM
Would people be pissed off?  I mean, they choose not to go to those games anyway.

The Bucks are the group that benefits.

Yes. I think people would get pissed if they paid the same for less product.

And yes the Bucks benefit. It’s a mutually beneficial relationship.
Title: Re: Marquette Madness Cancelled
Post by: Jay Bee on September 14, 2022, 05:41:55 PM
Yep.  Gives the diehards and the students most interested a better ideas of how the team is shaping up.

…and our opponents! If we lose any of our first 10 games, it’s on the admin and those putting this on the sked!!
Title: Re: Marquette Madness Cancelled
Post by: Shooter McGavin on September 14, 2022, 05:43:24 PM
…and our opponents! If we lose any of our first 10 games, it’s on the admin and those putting this on the sked!!

Ha! 
Title: Re: Marquette Madness Cancelled
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on September 14, 2022, 06:42:19 PM
Someone please find out if any kids (MUTV, wire, etc) or others will be broadcasting the scrimmage. I will try to wake up to watch live if so, but no promises

I think you answered your own question.

9:30 in the got damn morning? Yeah, we can be hella outraged!!!
Title: Re: Marquette Madness Cancelled
Post by: DoctorV on September 14, 2022, 07:08:08 PM
Not a bad idea. I already had my job lined up ( in New Jersey) so I opted for the University to mail me my diploma. Nothing more boring in my opinion is sitting there listening to some politician/celebrity giving a commencement speech, throwing your cap in the air and everyone self congratulating each other for an outcome that should be expected after putting in all the work; and they don't even hand you your diploma at the commencement. I got more satisfaction receiving my first paycheck.

My parents were disappointed though and for that I do have some regrets.

Quite the take.
Graduation ceremonies are long and drawn out, but there’s something to be said about celebrating any of life’s accomplishments.
If nothing else, it’s cathartic to close one cycle of life and open another.

Sure the outcome is expected, but that doesn’t mean it shouldn’t be celebrated.

Life is short, celebrate every chance you get.

Now let’s celebrate this new open scrimmage!
Title: Re: Marquette Madness Cancelled
Post by: ATL MU Warrior on September 14, 2022, 07:20:57 PM
Quite the take.
Graduation ceremonies are long and drawn out, but there’s something to be said about celebrating any of life’s accomplishments.
If nothing else, it’s cathartic to close one cycle of life and open another.

Sure the outcome is expected, but that doesn’t mean it shouldn’t be celebrated.

Life is short, celebrate every chance you get.

Now let’s celebrate this new open scrimmage!
You have a different idea of “celebrating” than I do.
Title: Re: Marquette Madness Cancelled
Post by: wadesworld on September 14, 2022, 07:26:35 PM
So make two season ticket packages. A large majority of sweater vests would be thrilled to pay less and not have tickets to the buy games, given that the FF is empty for those games anyway.
Title: Re: Marquette Madness Cancelled
Post by: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on September 14, 2022, 07:33:54 PM
So make two season ticket packages. A large majority of sweater vests would be thrilled to pay less and not have tickets to the buy games, given that the FF is empty for those games anyway.


Or just keep playing at the FF.
Title: Re: Marquette Madness Cancelled
Post by: brewcity77 on September 14, 2022, 09:01:04 PM
So make two season ticket packages. A large majority of sweater vests would be thrilled to pay less and not have tickets to the buy games, given that the FF is empty for those games anyway.

Double down on telling me you don't know how season ticket packages work without telling me you don't know how season ticket packages work.
Title: Re: Marquette Madness Cancelled
Post by: Newsdreams on September 14, 2022, 11:09:23 PM
Block party.
Yes
Title: Re: Marquette Madness Cancelled
Post by: Hards Alumni on September 15, 2022, 06:25:48 AM
So make two season ticket packages. A large majority of sweater vests would be thrilled to pay less and not have tickets to the buy games, given that the FF is empty for those games anyway.

Hang er up on this one, wade.
Title: Re: Marquette Madness Cancelled
Post by: Spotcheck Billy on September 15, 2022, 08:20:57 AM
Quite the take.
Graduation ceremonies are long and drawn out, but there’s something to be said about celebrating any of life’s accomplishments.
If nothing else, it’s cathartic to close one cycle of life and open another.

Sure the outcome is expected, but that doesn’t mean it shouldn’t be celebrated.

Life is short, celebrate every chance you get.

Now let’s celebrate this new open scrimmage!

My father held a grudge against Marquette until the day he died because when he graduated mid-term he still had to pay for gown etc. despite not attending the ceremony months later. Silly? Of course, but he still wouldn't attend any games with us 50 years later.
Title: Re: Marquette Madness Cancelled
Post by: Jay Bee on September 15, 2022, 09:27:12 AM
My father held a grudge against Marquette until the day he died because when he graduated mid-term he still had to pay for gown etc. despite not attending the ceremony months later. Silly? Of course, but he still wouldn't attend any games with us 50 years later.

Midterm vs. mid-term
Title: Re: Marquette Madness Cancelled
Post by: Mu8891 on September 15, 2022, 10:44:37 AM
I agree with 77 and scoop …

The MU “ marketing “ of hoops is nothing short of awful.  It’s almost non existent, and what little they do seems completely ineffective

They apparently don’t understand that in this market even teams that are FAR more successful ( Bucks and Brewers ) do Tons of promotions ..

Bobble heads
T shirt giveaways
Ticket sales ( lower prices) for some games etc etc

And … it’s a farce to say they have
“ sold out “ student tickets.  There might be one or two games where even
2,500 show up, and for most games it’s prob less than 1,000
Title: Re: Marquette Madness Cancelled
Post by: 🏀 on September 15, 2022, 10:53:46 AM

And … it’s a farce to say they have
“ sold out “ student tickets.  There might be one or two games where even
2,500 show up, and for most games it’s prob less than 1,000

Can a student buy a ticket today? No.

It's sold out.
Title: Re: Marquette Madness Cancelled
Post by: VanderBlueFanClub on September 15, 2022, 10:55:07 AM
The intersquad scrimmage was always fun.
1st chance to see the new players.
Once that was gone, well, not much left worthwhile to see.

Open practice always does stuff like that.
Title: Re: Marquette Madness Cancelled
Post by: TallTitan34 on September 15, 2022, 12:20:56 PM
THIS WOULD NEVER HAPPEN ON CRAIG PINTENS' WATCH!
Title: Re: Marquette Madness Cancelled
Post by: Mu8891 on September 15, 2022, 01:10:13 PM
Retired…

Do the students actually buy tickets ?
Or are they given to them ( for free )
as some sort of package?

And … obviously… the point is that they
Don’t come to the games.
Title: Re: Marquette Madness Cancelled
Post by: cheebs09 on September 15, 2022, 01:23:35 PM
Retired…

Do the students actually buy tickets ?
Or are they given to them ( for free )
as some sort of package?

And … obviously… the point is that they
Don’t come to the games.

They buy full season ticket packages.
Title: Re: Marquette Madness Cancelled
Post by: JakeBarnes on September 15, 2022, 01:25:33 PM
Retired…

Do the students actually buy tickets ?
Or are they given to them ( for free )
as some sort of package?

And … obviously… the point is that they
Don’t come to the games.

They buy the tickets
Much fanfare is made of it
Student dance party
Title: Re: Marquette Madness Cancelled
Post by: barfolomew on September 15, 2022, 01:38:13 PM
They buy the tickets
Much fanfare is made of it
Student dance party

LOL - you beat me to it!

Title: Re: Marquette Madness Cancelled
Post by: 🏀 on September 15, 2022, 01:51:25 PM
Retired…

Do the students actually buy tickets ?
Or are they given to them ( for free )
as some sort of package?

And … obviously… the point is that they
Don’t come to the games.

The point ... is ... you don't have one ( yell at the clouds )
Title: Re: Marquette Madness Cancelled
Post by: We R Final Four on September 15, 2022, 02:39:53 PM
I agree with 77 and scoop …

The MU “ marketing “ of hoops is nothing short of awful.  It’s almost non existent, and what little they do seems completely ineffective

They apparently don’t understand that in this market even teams that are FAR more successful ( Bucks and Brewers ) do Tons of promotions ..

Bobble heads
T shirt giveaways
Ticket sales ( lower prices) for some games etc etc

And … it’s a farce to say they have
“ sold out “ student tickets.  There might be one or two games where even
2,500 show up, and for most games it’s prob less than 1,000
What is a farce?
MU has X number of student tickets for sale.
They all sold…..therefore a sellout.
This doesn’t mean that every student STH will ho to every game.
But guess what? They still sold out their f the alloted student tickets.
Not a farce.
Title: Re: Marquette Madness Cancelled
Post by: We R Final Four on September 15, 2022, 02:41:23 PM
Retired…

Do the students actually buy tickets ?
Or are they given to them ( for free )
as some sort of package?

And … obviously… the point is that they
Don’t come to the games.
They buy them.
Title: Re: Marquette Madness Cancelled
Post by: Newsdreams on September 15, 2022, 03:42:15 PM
What is a farce?
MU has X number of student tickets for sale.
They all sold…..therefore a sellout.
This doesn’t mean that every student STH will ho to every game.
But guess what? They still sold out their f the alloted student tickets.
Not a farce.
Ho to game, 4ever will like.....
Title: Re: Marquette Madness Cancelled
Post by: Macallan 18 on September 16, 2022, 10:57:59 AM
Don't forget the athletic department had also canceled the The Blue & Gold Classic, the nation's third-longest running regular-season men's basketball tournament. Nothing is sacred to them.

https://onmilwaukee.com/articles/musked?id=12583 (https://onmilwaukee.com/articles/musked?id=12583)
Title: Re: Marquette Madness Cancelled
Post by: jfp61 on September 16, 2022, 11:20:04 AM
I don't think a single student will miss madness. When midnight madnesses went out of favor 10 years ago, they should have stopped this event.
Title: Re: Marquette Madness Cancelled
Post by: Shooter McGavin on September 16, 2022, 11:36:09 AM
I don't think a single student will miss madness. When midnight madnesses went out of favor 10 years ago, they should have stopped this event.

I agree.  My son is there now and doesn’t care and he is a big fan of the team. 

I do think if they have any type of scrimmage/madness/picnic in the future, parents weekend would be best.  I think that would be a no brainer.  Mid afternoon, still warm outside, free food. Tons of activity around campus.  People would spend an hour checking the teams out.  Make if part of the fabric of the University for the students and the parents.
Title: Re: Marquette Madness Cancelled
Post by: Hards Alumni on September 16, 2022, 12:39:28 PM
I agree.  My son is there now and doesn’t care and he is a big fan of the team. 

I do think if they have any type of scrimmage/madness/picnic in the future, parents weekend would be best.  I think that would be a no brainer.  Mid afternoon, still warm outside, free food. Tons of activity around campus.  People would spend an hour checking the teams out.  Make if part of the fabric of the University for the students and the parents.

I think that would be a much better event.
Title: Re: Marquette Madness Cancelled
Post by: We R Final Four on September 16, 2022, 01:22:45 PM
I agree.  My son is there now and doesn’t care and he is a big fan of the team. 

I do think if they have any type of scrimmage/madness/picnic in the future, parents weekend would be best.  I think that would be a no brainer.  Mid afternoon, still warm outside, free food. Tons of activity around campus.  People would spend an hour checking the teams out.  Make if part of the fabric of the University for the students and the parents.
This is a great idea.
Title: Re: Marquette Madness Cancelled
Post by: BrewCity83 on September 16, 2022, 02:31:20 PM
One of the things I liked about the old Madness events was at the end when the players would all sit behind long tables and would sign the team posters and say "hi" to the fans.  I still have some of these that were signed by DWade, JFB, DJO, Diener, Novak, all 3 Amigos, etc.  If autographs aren't cool anymore, they could work out selfie stations where you could take a photo with the players.
Title: Re: Marquette Madness Cancelled
Post by: brewcity77 on September 16, 2022, 03:00:09 PM
I like the Creighton half court shot for a semester's tuition is a great idea to excite students, but maybe have a shooting contest instead to guarantee a winner.
Title: Re: Marquette Madness Cancelled
Post by: Jay Bee on September 16, 2022, 03:07:36 PM
One of the things I liked about the old Madness events was at the end when the players would all sit behind long tables and would sign the team posters and say "hi" to the fans.  I still have some of these that were signed by DWade, JFB, DJO, Diener, Novak, all 3 Amigos, etc.  If autographs aren't cool anymore, they could work out selfie stations where you could take a photo with the players.

They’d still do this; it just would cost you $500 per autograph
Title: Re: Marquette Madness Cancelled
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on October 07, 2022, 08:43:14 AM
Open Scrimmage 10/8 (tomorrow)

Open practice 10/27

Milwaukee Tip Off Luncheon on 10/31 at the Pfister. Happy Halloween.

Blue & Gold Auction 12/2 (Badger Weekend). With 3:30 start the next day, time for hangover recovery and pregaming Bloody Brunch.

No mention of Chicago Tip Off Luncheon. Also cancelled?  #chicagoalumsnomatta
Title: Re: Marquette Madness Cancelled
Post by: jfp61 on October 07, 2022, 09:21:17 AM
They’d still do this; it just would cost you $500 per autograph

They should do that with a 50/50 split to the active plays and 50% going to local charities.

Maybe one of the NIL orgs could set it up.
Title: Re: Marquette Madness Cancelled
Post by: Jay Bee on October 07, 2022, 10:10:21 AM
Who’s live streaming for us tomorrow?
Title: Re: Marquette Madness Cancelled
Post by: lawdog77 on October 07, 2022, 10:58:43 AM
Who’s live streaming for us tomorrow?
Surely someone on OnlyFans
Title: Re: Marquette Madness Cancelled
Post by: Hards Alumni on October 07, 2022, 12:16:14 PM
Surely someone on OnlyFans

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Title: Re: Marquette Madness Cancelled
Post by: avid1010 on October 08, 2022, 06:37:59 AM
No haunted hoops this year?
Title: Re: Marquette Madness Cancelled
Post by: brewcity77 on October 08, 2022, 09:13:10 AM
No haunted hoops this year?

Nope. Personally more disappointed in that than no Madness.
Title: Re: Marquette Madness Cancelled
Post by: Newsdreams on October 08, 2022, 09:37:03 AM
No haunted hoops this year?
Are they going to play this year?
Title: Re: Marquette Madness Cancelled
Post by: avid1010 on October 08, 2022, 02:15:04 PM
Are they going to play this year?
Look buddy...this is a big deal to me.  I escape going to the in-laws for the weekend if we can stay home for the haunted hoops event.  This is not okay. 
Title: Re: Marquette Madness Cancelled
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on October 08, 2022, 04:55:21 PM
Are they going to play this year?

Mind games
Title: Re: Marquette Madness Cancelled
Post by: brewcity77 on October 08, 2022, 05:19:14 PM
Look buddy...this is a big deal to me.  I escape going to the in-laws for the weekend if we can stay home for the haunted hoops event.  This is not okay.

Big deal here too. My kids really enjoyed the event last year, and it's the only thing my wife asked about this off-season. More disappointing than Madness for me.
Title: Re: Marquette Madness Cancelled
Post by: Frenns Liquor Depot on October 08, 2022, 05:19:24 PM
Are they going to play this year?

A full season or part of it.  Because the jury has been out on that recently. 
Title: Re: Marquette Madness Cancelled
Post by: Newsdreams on October 08, 2022, 05:53:24 PM
Look buddy...this is a big deal to me.  I escape going to the in-laws for the weekend if we can stay home for the haunted hoops event.  This is not okay.
All the cancellations point to season been cancelled
Title: Re: Marquette Madness Cancelled
Post by: avid1010 on October 08, 2022, 06:33:01 PM
All the cancellations point to season been cancelled
It's bullsh1t...means I spend the wknd in glencoe, il.  For such a high cost of living...i really hate that place. 
Title: Re: Marquette Madness Cancelled
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on October 08, 2022, 08:32:20 PM
All the cancellations point to season been cancelled

It all started with the switch to Budweiser. 
Title: Re: Marquette Madness Cancelled
Post by: Newsdreams on October 08, 2022, 10:56:10 PM
It all started with the switch to Budweiser.
Completely, at least the Cardinals are GOWNE. Too bad dgies
Title: Re: Marquette Madness Cancelled
Post by: 🏀 on October 10, 2022, 08:13:39 AM
Big deal here too. My kids really enjoyed the event last year, and it's the only thing my wife asked about this off-season. More disappointing than Madness for me.

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