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Title: 22-23 W-L Predictions
Post by: TAMU, the Wizard of MU Basketball on September 09, 2022, 01:22:00 PM
Alright nerds, schedule is out so time to make your predictions:

Radford
Central Michigan
@Purdue
LIU
vs. Mississippi St.
vs. Georgia Tech/Utah
Chicago St.
Baylor
Wisconsin
North Carolina Central
@Notre Dame
Creighton
@Providence
Seton Hall
@Villanova
@St. John's
Georgetown
UConn
@Xavier
Providence
@Seton Hall
@DePaul
Villanova
Butler
@UConn
@Georgetown
Xavier
@Creighton
DePaul
@Butler
St. John's

Overall:
Big East Record:
Big East Tournament Seed:
Big East Tournament Result:
Postseason Tournament and Seed:
Postseason Result:
Title: Re: 22-23 W-L Predictions
Post by: TAMU, the Wizard of MU Basketball on September 09, 2022, 01:29:31 PM
W - Radford
W - Central Michigan
L - @Purdue
W - LIU
W - vs. Mississippi St.
W - vs. Georgia Tech/Utah
W - Chicago St.
L - Baylor
W - Wisconsin
W - North Carolina Central
W - @Notre Dame
L - Creighton
L - @Providence
W - Seton Hall
L - @Villanova
W - @St. John's
W - Georgetown
L - UConn
L - @Xavier
W - Providence
L - @Seton Hall
L - @DePaul
W - Villanova
W - Butler
L - @UConn
W - @Georgetown
W - Xavier
L - @Creighton
W - DePaul
W - @Butler
W - St. John's

Overall: 20-11
Big East Record: 11-9
Big East Tournament Seed: 5
Big East Tournament Result: Beat the 4 seed then lose to the 1 seed
Postseason Tournament and Seed: NCAA 8 seed
Postseason Result: Beat the 9 seed then lose to the 1 seed
Title: Re: 22-23 W-L Predictions
Post by: We R Final Four on September 09, 2022, 01:38:46 PM
More than 18 Conf games.
Title: Re: 22-23 W-L Predictions
Post by: TAMU, the Wizard of MU Basketball on September 09, 2022, 01:46:21 PM
More than 18 Conf games.

So there is!
Title: Re: 22-23 W-L Predictions
Post by: MUfan12 on September 09, 2022, 01:51:57 PM
W - Radford
W - Central Michigan
L - @Purdue
W - LIU
W - vs. Mississippi St.
W - vs. Georgia Tech/Utah
W - Chicago St.
L - Baylor
W - Wisconsin
W - North Carolina Central
L - @Notre Dame
W - Creighton
L - @Providence
W - Seton Hall
L - @Villanova
W - @St. John's
W - Georgetown
L - UConn
L - @Xavier
W - Providence
W - @Seton Hall
L - @DePaul
W - Villanova
W - Butler
L - @UConn
W - @Georgetown
W - Xavier
L - @Creighton
W - DePaul
L - @Butler
W - St. John's

20-11
12-8

One and done in the dance
Title: Re: 22-23 W-L Predictions
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on September 09, 2022, 01:54:20 PM
So there is!

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Title: Re: 22-23 W-L Predictions
Post by: wadesworld on September 09, 2022, 02:05:55 PM
Radford - W
Central Michigan - W
@Purdue - L
LIU - W
vs. Mississippi St. - L
vs. Georgia Tech/Utah - W
Chicago St. - W
Baylor - L
Wisconsin - W
North Carolina Central - W
@Notre Dame - L
Creighton - L
@Providence - L
Seton Hall - W
@Villanova - L
@St. John's - L
Georgetown - W
UConn - L
@Xavier - L
Providence - W
@Seton Hall -L
@DePaul - W
Villanova - L
Butler - W
@UConn - L
@Georgetown - W
Xavier - L
@Creighton - L
DePaul - W
@Butler - L
St. John's - W

Overall: 15-16
Big East Record: 8-12
Big East Tournament Seed: 8
Big East Tournament Result: Quarterfinal Loss
Postseason Tournament and Seed: None
Postseason Result: None
Title: Re: 22-23 W-L Predictions
Post by: GoldenWarrior11 on September 09, 2022, 02:25:30 PM
Radford W
Central Michigan W
@Purdue L
LIU W
vs. Mississippi St. W
vs. Georgia Tech/Utah W
Chicago St. W
Baylor L
Wisconsin W
North Carolina Central W
@Notre Dame L
Creighton L
@Providence L
Seton Hall W
@Villanova L
@St. John's L
Georgetown W
UConn W
@Xavier L
Providence W
@Seton Hall W
@DePaul W
Villanova L
Butler W
@UConn L
@Georgetown W
Xavier W
@Creighton L
DePaul W
@Butler L
St. John's W

Overall: 19-12
Big East Record: 11-9
Big East Tournament Seed: 7
Big East Tournament Result: 1-1
Postseason Tournament and Seed: 11
Postseason Result: 0-1
Title: Re: 22-23 W-L Predictions
Post by: Uncle Rico on September 09, 2022, 02:53:58 PM
W - Radford
L - Central Michigan
L - @Purdue
W - LIU
L - vs. Mississippi St.
L - vs. Georgia Tech/Utah
W - Chicago St.
W - Baylor
W - Wisconsin
W - North Carolina Central
W - @Notre Dame
L - Creighton
W - @Providence
W - Seton Hall
L - @Villanova
W - @St. John's
W - Georgetown
W - UConn
L - @Xavier
W - Providence
W - @Seton Hall
L - @DePaul
W - Villanova
W - Butler
L - @UConn
W -@Georgetown
W - Xavier
L - @Creighton
L - DePaul
W- @Butler
W - St. John's

Overall: 20 - 11
Big East Record: 13-7
Big East Tournament Seed: 2
Big East Tournament Result: Champ
Postseason Tournament and Seed: 6
Postseason Result: Elite 8
Title: Re: 22-23 W-L Predictions
Post by: jfp61 on September 09, 2022, 02:57:04 PM
Radford W
Central Michigan W
@Purdue L
LIU W
vs. Mississippi St. W
vs. Georgia Tech/Utah W
Chicago St. W
Baylor L
Wisconsin W
North Carolina Central W
@Notre Dame L
Creighton W
@Providence L
Seton Hall W
@Villanova L
@St. John's L
Georgetown W
UConn L
@Xavier L
Providence W
@Seton Hall L
@DePaul W
Villanova L
Butler W
@UConn L
@Georgetown W
Xavier W
@Creighton L
DePaul W
@Butler L
St. John's W

Overall: 18-13
Big East Record: 10-10
Big East Tournament Seed: 6
Big East Tournament Result: 1-1
Postseason Tournament and Seed: Last 4 in
Postseason Result: 0-1

This team is most likely similar to last years in terms of overall computer rankings. But the results of last year were mildly over exceeding of computer rankings. Also I expect them to be much more volatile in results game to game and in possible outcomes. Anywhere from the high 80s to the high teens is possible. It is just hard to project anything above a neutral ish finish.
Title: Re: 22-23 W-L Predictions
Post by: fjm on September 09, 2022, 03:32:34 PM
Radford- W
Central Michigan- W
@Purdue- L
LIU- W
vs. Mississippi St. -W
vs. Georgia Tech/Utah -W
Chicago St. -W
Baylor- L
Wisconsin- L
North Carolina Central-W
@Notre Dame- W
Creighton- L
@Providence- L
Seton Hall- W
@Villanova- L
@St. John's- W
Georgetown- W
UConn- L
@Xavier- L
Providence- L
@Seton Hall- L
@DePaul- L
Villanova- L
Butler- W
@UConn- L
@Georgetown - W
Xavier- W
@Creighton- L
DePaul- W
@Butler- W
St. John's - W

Overall:17-14
Big East Record: 9-11
Big East Tournament Seed: 8
Big East Tournament Result: 0-1
Postseason Tournament and Seed: NIT
Postseason Result: 2-1


Woof. That wasn’t fun to fill out. Should be an interesting season.
Title: Re: 22-23 W-L Predictions
Post by: muwarrior69 on September 09, 2022, 03:32:54 PM

Overall: 18-13
Big East Record: 10-10
Big East Tournament Seed: 6
Big East Tournament Result: 1-1
Postseason Tournament and Seed: Last 4 in
Postseason Result: 0-1

This team is most likely similar to last years in terms of overall computer rankings. But the results of last year were mildly over exceeding of computer rankings. Also I expect them to be much more volatile in results game to game and in possible outcomes. Anywhere from the high 80s to the high teens is possible. It is just hard to project anything above a neutral ish finish.

I hope you are right. Just hope we start out slow and finish strong at the end of the season. I don't think I could stomach another season ending collapse.
Title: Re: 22-23 W-L Predictions
Post by: real chili 83 on September 09, 2022, 06:23:39 PM
Radford - W
Central Michigan - W
@Purdue - W
LIU - W
vs. Mississippi St. - W
vs. Georgia Tech/Utah - W
Chicago St. - W
Baylor - W
Wisconsin -W
North Carolina Central - W
@Notre Dame - W ND sucks
Creighton - W
@Providence - W
Seton Hall  -  W
@Villanova - W
@St. John's - W
Georgetown - W
UConn - W
@Xavier - W
Providence - W
@Seton Hall - W
@DePaul - W
Villanova - W
Butler - W
@UConn - W
@Georgetown - W
Xavier - W
@Creighton - W
DePaul - W
@Butler - W
St. John's - W
Title: Re: 22-23 W-L Predictions
Post by: We R Final Four on September 09, 2022, 06:33:19 PM
Radford - W
Central Michigan - W
@Purdue - W
LIU - W
vs. Mississippi St. - W
vs. Georgia Tech/Utah - W
Chicago St. - W
Baylor - W
Wisconsin -W
North Carolina Central - W
@Notre Dame - W ND sucks
Creighton - W
@Providence - W
Seton Hall  -  W
@Villanova - W
@St. John's - W
Georgetown - W
UConn - W
@Xavier - W
Providence - W
@Seton Hall - W
@DePaul - W
Villanova - W
Butler - W
@UConn - W
@Georgetown - W
Xavier - W
@Creighton - W
DePaul - W
@Butler - W
St. John's - W
Hello 1976!
Title: Re: 22-23 W-L Predictions
Post by: brewcity77 on September 09, 2022, 09:08:28 PM
W Radford
W Central Michigan
W @Purdue
W LIU
W vs. Mississippi St.
W vs. Georgia Tech/Utah
W Chicago St.
L Baylor
W Wisconsin
W North Carolina Central
W @Notre Dame
W Creighton
W @Providence
W Seton Hall
L @Villanova
W @St. John's
W Georgetown
L UConn
L @Xavier
W Providence
L @Seton Hall
W @DePaul
W Villanova
W Butler
L @UConn
W @Georgetown
W Xavier
L @Creighton
W DePaul
L @Butler
W St. John's

Overall: 23-8
Big East Record: 13-7
Big East Tournament Seed: 2
Big East Tournament Result: 1-1
Postseason Tournament and Seed: NCAA-5
Postseason Result: Sweet 16
Title: Re: 22-23 W-L Predictions
Post by: MU82 on September 09, 2022, 11:33:04 PM
Radford - W
Central Michigan - W
@Purdue - L
LIU - W
vs. Mississippi St. - L
vs. Georgia Tech/Utah - W
Chicago St. - W
Baylor - L
Wisconsin - W
North Carolina Central - W
@Notre Dame - L
Creighton - L
@Providence - L
Seton Hall - W
@Villanova - L
@St. John's - L
Georgetown - W
UConn - L
@Xavier - L
Providence - W
@Seton Hall -L
@DePaul - W
Villanova - L
Butler - W
@UConn - L
@Georgetown - W
Xavier - L
@Creighton - L
DePaul - W
@Butler - L
St. John's - W

Overall: 15-16
Big East Record: 8-12
Big East Tournament Seed: 8
Big East Tournament Result: Quarterfinal Loss
Postseason Tournament and Seed: None
Postseason Result: None

Bummer. Hope like heck you’re wrong, wades.

W Radford
W Central Michigan
W @Purdue
W LIU
W vs. Mississippi St.
W vs. Georgia Tech/Utah
W Chicago St.
L Baylor
W Wisconsin
W North Carolina Central
W @Notre Dame
W Creighton
W @Providence
W Seton Hall
L @Villanova
W @St. John's
W Georgetown
L UConn
L @Xavier
W Providence
L @Seton Hall
W @DePaul
W Villanova
W Butler
L @UConn
W @Georgetown
W Xavier
L @Creighton
W DePaul
L @Butler
W St. John's

Overall: 23-8
Big East Record: 13-7
Big East Tournament Seed: 2
Big East Tournament Result: 1-1
Postseason Tournament and Seed: NCAA-5
Postseason Result: Sweet 16

Nice. Hope like heck you’re right, brew (but that we go even further in the NCAAT).
Title: Re: 22-23 W-L Predictions
Post by: GoldenEagles03 on September 09, 2022, 11:37:47 PM
Radford - W
Central Michigan - W
@Purdue - L
LIU - W
vs. Mississippi St. - L
vs. Georgia Tech/Utah - W
Chicago St.- W
Baylor - L
Wisconsin - W
North Carolina Central - W
@Notre Dame - L
Creighton - W
@Providence - L
Seton Hall - W
@Villanova - L
@St. John's - W
Georgetown - W
UConn - W
@Xavier - L
Providence - W
@Seton Hall - L
@DePaul - L
Villanova - L
Butler - W
@UConn - L
@Georgetown - L
Xavier - L
@Creighton - L
DePaul - W
@Butler - L
St. John's - W

Overall: 16- 15 (18-16 counting BET)
Big East Record: 9-11
Big East Tournament Seed: 8
Big East Tournament Result: Loss in the Semis
Postseason Tournament and Seed: NIT 4
Postseason Result: Loss in 2nd game of NIT
Title: Re: 22-23 W-L Predictions
Post by: GoldenEagles03 on September 09, 2022, 11:41:32 PM
W Radford
W Central Michigan
W @Purdue
W LIU
W vs. Mississippi St.
W vs. Georgia Tech/Utah
W Chicago St.
L Baylor
W Wisconsin
W North Carolina Central
W @Notre Dame
W Creighton
W @Providence
W Seton Hall
L @Villanova
W @St. John's
W Georgetown
L UConn
L @Xavier
W Providence
L @Seton Hall
W @DePaul
W Villanova
W Butler
L @UConn
W @Georgetown
W Xavier
L @Creighton
W DePaul
L @Butler
W St. John's

Overall: 23-8
Big East Record: 13-7
Big East Tournament Seed: 2
Big East Tournament Result: 1-1
Postseason Tournament and Seed: NCAA-5
Postseason Result: Sweet 16

That seems like a lot of hope going on there.
Title: Re: 22-23 W-L Predictions
Post by: brewcity77 on September 10, 2022, 12:02:56 AM
That seems like a lot of hope going on there.

People told me the same last year because I saw a tourney team in October.
Title: Re: 22-23 W-L Predictions
Post by: We R Final Four on September 10, 2022, 07:21:14 AM
People told me the same last year because I saw a tourney team in October.
So you see a tourney team in September this year?
Title: Re: 22-23 W-L Predictions
Post by: bilsu on September 10, 2022, 09:09:11 AM
I think there is a reasonable chance we make the NCAA tournament. However, some posters are predicting an NCAA tournament seed of 8 or higher. This does not seem reasonable to me. The latest bracketology has Creighton & Villanova as 4 seeds, Xavier & Uconn as 7 seeds and St. John's as an 11. We can easily replace St. John's, but the Big East as a whole is not getting a lot of respect. This will make it very hard for MU to get a top 8 seed, without a top 4 finish in the Big East.
Title: Re: 22-23 W-L Predictions
Post by: DarkWarrior on September 10, 2022, 09:13:43 AM

Radford- W
Central Michigan- W
@Purdue- L
LIU- W
vs. Mississippi St. -W
vs. Georgia Tech/Utah -W
Chicago St. -W
Baylor- L
Wisconsin- W
North Carolina Central-W
@Notre Dame- W
Creighton- L
@Providence- L
Seton Hall- W
@Villanova- L
@St. John's- W
Georgetown- W
UConn- L
@Xavier- L
Providence- W
@Seton Hall- L
@DePaul- W
Villanova- W
Butler- W
@UConn- L
@Georgetown - W
Xavier- W
@Creighton- L
DePaul- W
@Butler- W
St. John's - W

Overall:21-10
Big East Record: 12-8
Big East Tournament Seed: 6
Big East Tournament Result: 1-1
Postseason Tournament and Seed: NCAA - 7
Postseason Result: 1-1

This would feel like a success to me in our progress towards greater goals!


Title: Re: 22-23 W-L Predictions
Post by: Herman Cain on September 10, 2022, 10:14:54 AM


Radford W
Central Michigan W
@Purdue L
LIU W
vs. Mississippi St. W
vs. Georgia Tech/Utah W
Chicago St. W
Baylor          L
Wisconsin     W
North Carolina Central W
@Notre Dame L
Creighton W
@Providence L
Seton Hall W
@Villanova L
@St. John's L
Georgetown W
UConn. W
@Xavier L
Providence W
@Seton Hall L
@DePaul.     W
Villanova.     W
Butler           W
@UConn.       L
@Georgetown W
Xavier.             W
@Creighton.     L
DePaul.            W
@Butler.           W
St. John's.        W

Overall: 21-10
Big East Record:13-7
Big East Tournament Seed:3
Big East Tournament Result:2-1
Postseason Tournament and Seed:NCAA 8
Postseason Result:2-1 Sweet 16
Title: Re: 22-23 W-L Predictions
Post by: brewcity77 on September 10, 2022, 10:17:33 AM
I think there is a reasonable chance we make the NCAA tournament. However, some posters are predicting an NCAA tournament seed of 8 or higher. This does not seem reasonable to me. The latest bracketology has Creighton & Villanova as 4 seeds, Xavier & Uconn as 7 seeds and St. John's as an 11. We can easily replace St. John's, but the Big East as a whole is not getting a lot of respect. This will make it very hard for MU to get a top 8 seed, without a top 4 finish in the Big East.

You do realize that a league's seeds and bids aren't set yet, right? And that "respect" has zero to do with how that shakes out.
Title: Re: 22-23 W-L Predictions
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on September 10, 2022, 10:34:54 AM
I think there is a reasonable chance we make the NCAA tournament. However, some posters are predicting an NCAA tournament seed of 8 or higher. This does not seem reasonable to me. The latest bracketology has Creighton & Villanova as 4 seeds, Xavier & Uconn as 7 seeds and St. John's as an 11. We can easily replace St. John's, but the Big East as a whole is not getting a lot of respect. This will make it very hard for MU to get a top 8 seed, without a top 4 finish in the Big East.

I mean Brew basically already said it.

But in what world do preseason bracket predictions have barring on the real bracket that will factor in results and strength of schedule/wins/NET etc...??

BE could get 7 teams in if they season goes well enough and theres nothing the preseason respect can do about it.
Title: Re: 22-23 W-L Predictions
Post by: MuggsyB on September 10, 2022, 11:27:57 AM
W - Radford
W - Central Michigan
L - @Purdue
W - LIU
W - vs. Mississippi St.
W - vs. Georgia Tech/Utah
W - Chicago St.
L - Baylor
W - Wisconsin
W - North Carolina Central
W - @Notre Dame
L - Creighton
L - @Providence
W - Seton Hall
L - @Villanova
W - @St. John's
W - Georgetown
L - UConn
L - @Xavier
W - Providence
L - @Seton Hall
L - @DePaul
W - Villanova
W - Butler
L - @UConn
W - @Georgetown
W - Xavier
L - @Creighton
W - DePaul
W - @Butler
W - St. John's

Overall: 20-11
Big East Record: 11-9
Big East Tournament Seed: 5
Big East Tournament Result: Beat the 4 seed then lose to the 1 seed
Postseason Tournament and Seed: NCAA 8 seed
Postseason Result: Beat the 9 seed then lose to the 1 seed

A good effort.  I'd say 22-9, 11-7, 7 seed, loss in the rd of 32.
Title: Re: 22-23 W-L Predictions
Post by: brewcity77 on September 10, 2022, 11:40:22 AM
A good effort.  I'd say 22-9, 11-7, 7 seed, loss in the rd of 32.

So do your game by game and include all 20 Big East games  ;)
Title: Re: 22-23 W-L Predictions
Post by: MuggsyB on September 10, 2022, 01:39:40 PM
So do your game by game and include all 20 Big East games  ;)

Oh....I guess I fked that up.  My bad.  I think we'll split with UCONN and Creighton.
Title: Re: 22-23 W-L Predictions
Post by: MuggsyB on September 10, 2022, 01:46:41 PM
Alright nerds, schedule is out so time to make your predictions:

W-Radford
W-Central Michigan
L-@Purdue
W-LIU
W-vs. Mississippi St.
W-vs. Georgia Tech/Utah
W-Chicago St.
L-Baylor
W-Wisconsin
W-North Carolina Central
W-@Notre Dame
W-Creighton
W-@Providence
W-Seton Hall
L-@Villanova
W-@St. John's
W-Georgetown
W-UConn
L-@Xavier
L-Providence
W-@Seton Hall
W-@DePaul
W-Villanova
W-Butler
L-@UConn
W-@Georgetown
W-Xavier
L-@Creighton
W-DePaul
L-@Butler
W-St. John's

Overall: 23-8
Big East Record:13-7
Big East Tournament Seed: 3
Big East Tournament Result: Loss in Final
Postseason Tournament and Seed: 7 seed
Postseason Result:  Rd of 32 loss
Title: Re: 22-23 W-L Predictions
Post by: mileskishnish72 on September 10, 2022, 05:23:06 PM
W    Radford
W    Cent. Mich.
L    @Purdue
W    LIU
W    Miss. St.
W    Ga. Tech/Utah
W    Chi. St.
L     Baylor
L     Wisky
W    NC Central
L    @ND

L     CRT
L    @Prov
W    SHU
L    @Nova
L    @SJU
W    GT
L     UConn
L    @Xav
L     Prov
L    @SHU
W   @DeP
L     Nova
W    But
L    @UConn
W    @GT
L     xAV
L     @CRT
W    DeP
W    @But
W    SJU

Overall 15-16
BE 8-12
BET 7, 0-1
NIT, 1-1

I think we're still in the developmental stage, but hoping my usual pessimism is misguided.
Title: Re: 22-23 W-L Predictions
Post by: YoungMUFan4 on September 10, 2022, 07:33:04 PM
W-Radford 
W-Central Michigan
L-@Purdue
W-LIU
W-vs. Mississippi St.
W-vs. Georgia Tech/Utah
W-Chicago St.
L-Baylor
W-Wisconsin
W-North Carolina Central
L-@Notre Dame
L-Creighton
L-@Providence
W-Seton Hall
L-@Villanova
W-@St. John's
W-Georgetown
L-UConn
L-@Xavier
W-Providence
L-@Seton Hall
W-@DePaul
L-Villanova
W-Butler
L-@UConn
W-@Georgetown
W-Xavier
L-@Creighton
W-DePaul
L-@Butler
W-St. John's

Overall: 17-13
Big East Record: 10-10
Big East Tournament Seed: 7
Big East Tournament Result: 2nd Rd
Postseason Tournament and Seed: NIT
Postseason Result: Runner Up
Title: Re: 22-23 W-L Predictions
Post by: Viper on September 10, 2022, 08:37:09 PM
W-Radford
W-Central Michigan
L-@Purdue
W-LIU
W-vs. Mississippi St.
W-vs. Georgia Tech/Utah
W-Chicago St.
L-Baylor
W-Wisconsin
W-North Carolina Central
L-@Notre Dame
L-Creighton
L-@Providence
W-Seton Hall
L-@Villanova
L-@St. John's
W-Georgetown
L-UConn
L-@Xavier
W-Providence
W-@Seton Hall
L-@DePaul
W-Villanova
W-Butler
L-@UConn
W-@Georgetown
L-Xavier
L-@Creighton
W-DePaul
W-@Butler
W-St. John's

Overall:18-13
Big East Record:10-10
Big East Tournament Seed:6
Big East Tournament Result:1-1
Postseason Tournament and Seed:NCAA 12
Postseason Result:0-1
Title: Re: 22-23 W-L Predictions
Post by: Scoop Snoop on September 10, 2022, 09:13:38 PM
W Radford
W Central Michigan
L @Purdue
W LIU
W vs. Mississippi St.
W vs. Georgia Tech/Utah
W Chicago St.
L Baylor
W Wisconsin
W North Carolina Central
L @Notre Dame
L Creighton
L @Providence
W Seton Hall
L @Villanova
W @St. John's
W Georgetown
W UConn
L @Xavier
W Providence
L @Seton Hall
W @DePaul
W Villanova
W Butler
L @UConn
W @Georgetown
L Xavier
L @Creighton
W DePaul
L @Butler
W St. John's

Overall: 19-12
Big East Record: 11-9
Big East Tournament Seed: 6
Big East Tournament Result: 1-1
Postseason Tournament and Seed: NCAA 9
Postseason Result: 1-1
Title: Re: 22-23 W-L Predictions
Post by: MU82 on September 10, 2022, 09:15:00 PM
I think there is a reasonable chance we make the NCAA tournament. However, some posters are predicting an NCAA tournament seed of 8 or higher. This does not seem reasonable to me. The latest bracketology has Creighton & Villanova as 4 seeds, Xavier & Uconn as 7 seeds and St. John's as an 11. We can easily replace St. John's, but the Big East as a whole is not getting a lot of respect. This will make it very hard for MU to get a top 8 seed, without a top 4 finish in the Big East.

Great points.

Season’s already over folks. Please drive home safely.
Title: Re: 22-23 W-L Predictions
Post by: brewcity77 on September 11, 2022, 01:08:04 AM
Great points.

Season’s already over folks. Please drive home safely.

Interesting seeing everyone pick us to lose to a Purdue team that has very few minutes returning. Since 2007-08, Purdue is 9-26 against high majors with 5 buy game losses in non-con when they are outside the top-100 in minutes continuity, which they certainly will be this year. In their first game against a high major team they are 1-8.

When Painter has an inexperienced team, they tend to struggle a lot in non-con.
Title: Re: 22-23 W-L Predictions
Post by: Newsdreams on September 11, 2022, 03:15:35 AM
Interesting seeing everyone pick us to lose to a Purdue team that has very few minutes returning. Since 2007-08, Purdue is 9-26 against high majors with 5 buy game losses in non-con when they are outside the top-100 in minutes continuity, which they certainly will be this year. In their first game against a high major team they are 1-8.

When Painter has an inexperienced team, they tend to struggle a lot in non-con.
COLE permeates Scoop
Title: Re: 22-23 W-L Predictions
Post by: Eye on September 11, 2022, 10:20:29 AM
W Radford
W Central Michigan
W @Purdue
W LIU
W vs. Mississippi St.
W vs. Georgia Tech/Utah
W Chicago St.
L Baylor
W Wisconsin
W North Carolina Central
L @Notre Dame
W Creighton
L @Providence
W Seton Hall
L @Villanova
L @St. John's
W Georgetown
W UConn
L @Xavier
W Providence
L @Seton Hall
L @DePaul
W Villanova
W Butler
L @UConn
W @Georgetown
W Xavier
L @Creighton
W DePaul
W @Butler
W St. John's

Overall: 21-10
Big East Record: 12-8
Big East Tournament Seed: 4
Big East Tournament Result: 1-1
Postseason Tournament and Seed: NCAA 8
Postseason Result: 1-1
Title: Re: 22-23 W-L Predictions
Post by: MU82 on September 11, 2022, 11:03:15 AM
COLE permeates Scoop

bilsu takes his COLE with an extra helping of SLAW.
Title: Re: 22-23 W-L Predictions
Post by: tower912 on September 11, 2022, 11:05:48 AM
COLE Hohl.
Title: Re: 22-23 W-L Predictions
Post by: Sultan Sultanberger on September 11, 2022, 11:09:26 AM
COLE permeates Scoop

If you don't predict an undefeated season, you may as well change your name to Cole.
Title: Re: 22-23 W-L Predictions
Post by: MarqKarp on September 11, 2022, 01:29:29 PM
W Radford
W Central Michigan
L @Purdue
W LIU
W vs. Mississippi St.
W vs. Georgia Tech/Utah
W Chicago St.
L Baylor
W Wisconsin
W North Carolina Central
L @Notre Dame
L Creighton
W @Providence
W Seton Hall
L @Villanova
L @St. John's
W Georgetown
L UConn
L @Xavier
W Providence
W @Seton Hall
L @DePaul
W Villanova
W Butler
L @UConn
W @Georgetown
L Xavier
L @Creighton
W DePaul
W @Butler
L  St. John's

Overall: 18-13
Big East Record: 10-10
Big East Tournament Seed: 7
Big East Tournament Result:1-1
Postseason Tournament and Seed:NCAA 13
Postseason Result:1-1
Title: Re: 22-23 W-L Predictions
Post by: Scoop Snoop on September 11, 2022, 01:52:30 PM
W Radford
W Central Michigan
L @Purdue
W LIU
W vs. Mississippi St.
W vs. Georgia Tech/Utah
W Chicago St.
L Baylor
W Wisconsin
W North Carolina Central
L @Notre Dame
L Creighton
W @Providence
W Seton Hall
L @Villanova
L @St. John's
W Georgetown
L UConn
L @Xavier
W Providence
W @Seton Hall
L @DePaul
W Villanova
W Butler
L @UConn
W @Georgetown
L Xavier
L @Creighton
W DePaul
W @Butler
L  St. John's

Overall: 10-10
Big East Record: 18-13
Big East Tournament Seed: 7
Big East Tournament Result:1-1
Postseason Tournament and Seed:NCAA 13
Postseason Result:1-1


 I know I am nitpicking, but you need to flip your overall and BE records.

If I had read Brew's comments about Purdue before posting my prediction, I admit I would have taken a chance and put a W in front of that game. I went with Road game@ Purdue w/Painter as coach= L.
Title: Re: 22-23 W-L Predictions
Post by: We R Final Four on September 11, 2022, 02:18:58 PM
Interesting seeing everyone pick us to lose to a Purdue team that has very few minutes returning. Since 2007-08, Purdue is 9-26 against high majors with 5 buy game losses in non-con when they are outside the top-100 in minutes continuity, which they certainly will be this year. In their first game against a high major team they are 1-8.

When Painter has an inexperienced team, they tend to struggle a lot in non-con.
Where does Mu’s team rank this year with respect to minutes continuity?…..JLew, Darrell and Kur posted a lot of minutes for us, no?
Title: Re: 22-23 W-L Predictions
Post by: brewcity77 on September 11, 2022, 03:52:31 PM
Where does Mu’s team rank this year with respect to minutes continuity?…..JLew, Darrell and Kur posted a lot of minutes for us, no?

A ton more than last year.
Title: Re: 22-23 W-L Predictions
Post by: WhiteTrash on September 11, 2022, 05:32:53 PM


Overall: 18-13
Big East Record: 10-10
Big East Tournament Seed: 7
Big East Tournament Result:1-1
Postseason Tournament and Seed:NCAA 13
Postseason Result:1-1

Has there ever been a non-AQ 13 seed?
Title: Re: 22-23 W-L Predictions
Post by: brewcity77 on September 11, 2022, 07:11:50 PM
Has there ever been a non-AQ 13 seed?

No, but there has been a non-AQ 14-seed. BYU won a play in game as a 14 and faced Jae & DJO as the 2012 3-seed. However that was because BYU had to play the Thursday/Saturday games due to religion.

Even Georgetown and Oregon State, both probably deserving of 13s, got 12-seeds as AQs in 2021. Any bid we get would be 12 at worst.
Title: Re: 22-23 W-L Predictions
Post by: Shooter McGavin on September 11, 2022, 07:51:59 PM
People told me the same last year because I saw a tourney team in October.

Ha! Those predictions may effect your credibility on bracketology.  I really hope you are right though Brew.
Title: Re: 22-23 W-L Predictions
Post by: Shooter McGavin on September 11, 2022, 07:54:47 PM
W    Radford
W    Cent. Mich.
L    @Purdue
W    LIU
W    Miss. St.
W    Ga. Tech/Utah
W    Chi. St.
L     Baylor
L     Wisky
W    NC Central
L    @ND

L     CRT
L    @Prov
W    SHU
L    @Nova
L    @SJU
W    GT
L     UConn
L    @Xav
L     Prov
L    @SHU
W   @DeP
L     Nova
W    But
L    @UConn
W    @GT
L     xAV
L     @CRT
W    DeP
W    @But
W    SJU

Overall 15-16
BE 8-12
BET 7, 0-1
NIT, 1-1

I think we're still in the developmental stage, but hoping my usual pessimism is misguided.

That would be the going down the toilet stage passing the the regression stage.  Hope you are wrong because that would be really ominous for future years.
Title: Re: 22-23 W-L Predictions
Post by: wadesworld on September 11, 2022, 08:47:47 PM
Marquette hasn’t exactly killed it in their first true road games in recent seasons.
Title: Re: 22-23 W-L Predictions
Post by: mileskishnish72 on September 11, 2022, 10:40:29 PM
  Hope you are wrong

I often am, Shooter. Very worried about the lack of returning scorers and rebounding. I do tend to think that what I've seen is what I'm gonna see, but kids do develop
and if 2 or 3 take big steps, I'll be way off.
Title: Re: 22-23 W-L Predictions
Post by: Its DJOver on September 12, 2022, 08:47:07 AM
Marquette hasn’t exactly killed it in their first true road games in recent seasons.

My thoughts exactly, until we start winning our first true road game, I'm just going to chalk it up as an L. 

That's also not a Shaka vs Wojo vs whichever MU coach idea, that's a CBB thing.  Throw in that Mackey is an incredibly difficult environment to win a road game at and I think the pessimism is fair.
Title: Re: 22-23 W-L Predictions
Post by: GoFastAndWin on September 12, 2022, 11:28:26 AM
My thoughts exactly, until we start winning our first true road game, I'm just going to chalk it up as an L. 

That's also not a Shaka vs Wojo vs whichever MU coach idea, that's a CBB thing.  Throw in that Mackey is an incredibly difficult environment to win a road game at and I think the pessimism is fair.

I wouldn’t trade Fiserv for Mackey ever, but I will say this:

If you’ve ever been to a game there, it’s about as tough of a road W as there is. I was fortunate to catch a Purdue game back in the Big Dog/Cuonzo Martin era. Fans are on top of the court and sound has nowhere to go to be absorbed. Keady’s Combover isn’t exactly the ghost of Phog Allen, but when he used to glaringly hover over the sidelines, his teams had a way of responding. Matt Painter is the perfect coach for that program.
Title: Re: 22-23 W-L Predictions
Post by: wadesworld on September 12, 2022, 11:45:19 AM
Fiserv is great, but it doesn’t provide much of a home court advantage. I’d take a 11,000 seat arena any day over it, even if it’s far worse quality.
Title: Re: 22-23 W-L Predictions
Post by: MUfan12 on September 12, 2022, 12:28:40 PM
I miss the Bradley Center.
Title: Re: 22-23 W-L Predictions
Post by: lawdog77 on September 12, 2022, 12:30:53 PM
I miss the Bradley Center MECCA.
Title: Re: 22-23 W-L Predictions
Post by: MU82 on September 12, 2022, 01:01:05 PM
Fiserv is great, but it doesn’t provide much of a home court advantage. I’d take a 11,000 seat arena any day over it, even if it’s far worse quality.

We played in one of those during the greatest stretch in Marquette basketball history.
Title: Re: 22-23 W-L Predictions
Post by: Stretchdeltsig on September 12, 2022, 01:01:29 PM
Alright nerds, schedule is out so time to make your predictions:

Radford W
Central Michigan W
@Purdue W
LIU W
vs. Mississippi St. W
vs. Georgia Tech/Utah W
Chicago St. W
Baylor W
Wisconsin W
North Carolina Central W
@Notre Dame W
Creighton W
@Providence W
Seton Hall W
@Villanova W
@St. John's W
Georgetown W
UConn W
@Xavier W
Providence W
@Seton Hall W
@DePaul W
Villanova W
Butler W
@UConn W
@Georgetown W
Xavier W
@Creighton W
DePaul W
@Butler W
St. John's W

Overall: 31-0
Big East Record: 20-0
Big East Tournament Seed: 1
Big East Tournament Result: 1
Postseason Tournament and Seed: 5
Postseason Result: 4
Go Warriors!!!
Title: Re: 22-23 W-L Predictions
Post by: Eye on September 12, 2022, 01:02:36 PM
Has there ever been a non-AQ 13 seed?

Oklahoma was a 13 seed at-large in Milwaukee in '99, and upset Arizona.
Title: Re: 22-23 W-L Predictions
Post by: WhiteTrash on September 12, 2022, 04:02:42 PM
Oklahoma was a 13 seed at-large in Milwaukee in '99, and upset Arizona.
Good to know. This is why I ask questions on Scoop. Who needs Google?!
Title: Re: 22-23 W-L Predictions
Post by: dgies9156 on September 12, 2022, 04:13:58 PM
W  Radford       
W  Central Michigan
L  @Purdue
W  LIU
W  vs. Mississippi St.
W  vs. Georgia Tech/Utah
W  Chicago St.
L   Baylor
W  Wisconsin
W  North Carolina Central
W  @Notre Dame
L   Creighton
L  @Providence
W  Seton Hall
L  @Villanova
W @St. John's
W  Georgetown
W  UConn
L  @Xavier
W  Providence
L  @Seton Hall
W  @DePaul
L  Villanova
W Butler
L  @UConn
W @Georgetown
W  Xavier
L  @Creighton
W  DePaul
W @Butler
W  St. John's

Overall:  21-10
Big East Record: 12-8
Big East Tournament Seed:  5
Big East Tournament Result: 1-1
Postseason Tournament and Seed: NCAA  8
Postseason Result: 1-1
Title: Re: 22-23 W-L Predictions
Post by: lawdog77 on September 12, 2022, 04:25:16 PM
Radford-W
Central Michigan-W
@Purdue-L
LIU-W
vs. Mississippi St-W.
vs. Georgia Tech/Utah-W
Chicago St.-W
Baylor-L
Wisconsin-W
North Carolina Central-W
@Notre Dame-W
Creighton-L
@Providence-W
Seton Hall-W
@Villanova-L
@St. John's-W
Georgetown-W
UConn-W
@Xavier-L
Providence-L
@Seton Hall-W
@DePaul-W
Villanova-L
Butler-W
@UConn-L
@Georgetown-W
Xavier-W
@Creighton-W
DePaul-L
@Butler-W
St. John's-W

Overall:22-9
Big East Record:13-7
Big East Tournament Seed:4
Big East Tournament Result:champs
Postseason Tournament and Seed:5
Postseason Result:final four
Title: Re: 22-23 W-L Predictions
Post by: Viper on September 12, 2022, 04:34:45 PM
Fiserv is great, but it doesn’t provide much of a home court advantage. I’d take a 11,000 seat arena any day over it, even if it’s far worse quality.
’86 UNC game at MECCA might have been the best/loudest crowd for a game I’ve been to. Doc hitting that shot to beat ND a close second.
Title: Re: 22-23 W-L Predictions
Post by: We R Final Four on September 12, 2022, 05:05:03 PM
’86 UNC game at MECCA might have been the best/loudest crowd for a game I’ve been to. Doc hitting that shot to beat ND a close second.
It’s a shame that there was no crowd for the JLew tip in v. Wisky. The roof would have come off the sold out Fiserv.
It did at my house.
Title: Re: 22-23 W-L Predictions
Post by: Goose on September 12, 2022, 05:51:18 PM
Viper

The UNC game was an unreal experience. The game against Russia and Al's last game might have been crazier, but all must attend games.
Title: Re: 22-23 W-L Predictions
Post by: TVDirector on September 12, 2022, 06:00:14 PM
W Radford
W Central Michigan
L @Purdue
W LIU
W vs. Mississippi St.
W vs. Georgia Tech/Utah
W Chicago St.
L Baylor
W Wisconsin
W North Carolina Central
L @Notre Dame
L Creighton
L @Providence
W Seton Hall
L @Villanova
W @St. John's
W Georgetown
L UConn
L @Xavier
W Providence
L @Seton Hall
L @DePaul
W Villanova
W Butler
L @UConn
W @Georgetown
W Xavier
L @Creighton
W DePaul
W @Butler
W  St. John's

Overall: 19-12
Big East Record: 11-9
Big East Tournament Seed: 6
Big East Tournament Result:1-1
Postseason Tournament and Seed:NCAA 13
Postseason Result:1-1
Title: Re: 22-23 W-L Predictions
Post by: mileskishnish72 on September 12, 2022, 08:16:32 PM
I miss the Bradley Center.
I miss the old Arena, which I think is now the Panther something or other.
What nights, what memories there!
Title: Re: 22-23 W-L Predictions
Post by: Sultan Sultanberger on September 12, 2022, 08:21:16 PM
I think Fiserv is great. Way better than the BC. MECCA is just part of the past.
Title: Re: 22-23 W-L Predictions
Post by: wadesworld on September 12, 2022, 08:23:03 PM
I think Fiserv is great. Way better than the BC. MECCA is just part of the past.

Way better than the BC. BC was bigger and way worse. Fiserv is great, but it’s too big for MUBB.
Title: Re: 22-23 W-L Predictions
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on September 12, 2022, 09:04:04 PM
I miss the old Arena, which I think is now the Panther something or other.
What nights, what memories there!

The Mecca was/is a dump. Intimate venue yes and great basketball environs due to rowdy fan behavior (and winning), of which the behavior is outlawed today (must during live play, toilet paper, obscene chants, paper machete mascot). Smoking was allowed at your seats, where the haze layer would have outed the Bradley Bat and likely killed a number of fans. Yes, you could drink beer, but in the hallway, not at your seats. The food selection was reheated hot dogs from the Bucks game.

FF is the best fan experience by far. The BC was louder because the students were seated together.  And STH's filled in behind the one basket which is important as students aren't even in session for many BE games in the expanded schedule.

Mecca was a great bandbox because of great team and brand. Those days have passed.
Title: Re: 22-23 W-L Predictions
Post by: MUfan12 on September 12, 2022, 09:30:11 PM
Post COVID, I don't know if the Fiserv fan experience is a whole helluva lot better. It was great the first two years.
Title: Re: 22-23 W-L Predictions
Post by: brewcity77 on September 12, 2022, 11:10:55 PM
The problem with Fiserv is we haven't won there. It was electric in 2018 when we were beating K-State, Wisconsin, and Buffalo. The BC was great when we were in the top-20. Fiserv can be the same.

Would a 12,000 seat on campus bandbox be great? Yes. So would me winning the lottery. But neither is happening, so let's beat people and make what we have the best it can be.
Title: Re: 22-23 W-L Predictions
Post by: Shooter McGavin on September 13, 2022, 02:07:02 AM
The problem with Fiserv is we haven't won there. It was electric in 2018 when we were beating K-State, Wisconsin, and Buffalo. The BC was great when we were in the top-20. Fiserv can be the same.

Would a 12,000 seat on campus bandbox be great? Yes. So would me winning the lottery. But neither is happening, so let's beat people and make what we have the best it can be.

Agreed.  MU is lucky to have a state of the art facility blocks from campus that we can play in.  We win some big games there and sustain a winning tradition, the home court advantage will be there. 
Title: Re: 22-23 W-L Predictions
Post by: GurneeHitchkr on September 13, 2022, 06:39:48 AM
Radford - W
Central Michigan - W
@Purdue - L
LIU - W
vs. Mississippi St. - L
vs. Georgia Tech/Utah - W
Chicago St.- W
Baylor - L
Wisconsin - L
North Carolina Central - W
@Notre Dame - L
Creighton - L
@Providence - L
Seton Hall - L
@Villanova - L
@St. John's - W
Georgetown - W
UConn - W
@Xavier - W
Providence - W
@Seton Hall - L
@DePaul - W
Villanova - L
Butler - W
@UConn - L
@Georgetown - W
Xavier - W
@Creighton - L
DePaul - W
@Butler - W
St. John's - W

Overall Record 19-15
Big East Record: 12-8
Big East Tournament Seed: 6
Big East Tournament Result: 1-1
Postseason Tournament and Seed: 12 seed
Postseason: 0-1
Title: Re: 22-23 W-L Predictions
Post by: Goose on September 13, 2022, 08:08:03 AM
I think they win 21 games and at least one game in BE and NCAA. I believe that we are going to have a more up tempo pressure D than last season and will score more transition baskets off the D. They have a lot of guys that can get minutes and anxious to see who plays the lost as the season moves into Feb and March.
Title: Re: 22-23 W-L Predictions
Post by: milwaukee ex-pat on September 13, 2022, 09:01:12 AM
I will go on record today to say we beat Baylor - our defense will be closer to mid season form and we handle Baylor who won't be prepared for it. 
Title: Re: 22-23 W-L Predictions
Post by: AccredoJoe on September 13, 2022, 10:03:37 AM
W-Radford
W-Central Michigan
L-@Purdue
W-LIU
W-vs. Mississippi St.
W-vs. Georgia Tech/Utah
W-Chicago St.
L-Baylor
L-Wisconsin
W-North Carolina Central
L -@Notre Dame
L-Creighton
L -@Providence
W-Seton Hall
L-@Villanova
W-@St. John's
W-Georgetown
L -UConn
L-@Xavier
L-Providence
L-@Seton Hall
W-@DePaul
W-Villanova
W-Butler
L-@UConn
W-@Georgetown
W-Xavier
L-@Creighton
W-DePaul
L-@Butler
W-St. John's

Overall: 17-14
Big East Record: 10-10
Big East Tournament Seed: 7
Big East Tournament Result: Eliminated first round
Postseason Tournament and Seed: Drean on
Postseason Result: NIT 1-1
Title: Re: 22-23 W-L Predictions
Post by: MarquetteDano on September 13, 2022, 10:06:40 AM
Radford - W
Central Michigan - W
@Purdue - L
LIU - W
vs. Mississippi St. - W
vs. Georgia Tech/Utah - W
Chicago St.- W
Baylor - L
Wisconsin - L
North Carolina Central - W
@Notre Dame - L
Creighton - L
@Providence - L
Seton Hall - L
@Villanova - L
@St. John's - W
Georgetown - W
UConn - W
@Xavier - L
Providence - W
@Seton Hall - L
@DePaul - L
Villanova - L
Butler - W
@UConn - L
@Georgetown - W
Xavier - W
@Creighton - L
DePaul - W
@Butler - L
St. John's - W

Overall Record 17-16
Big East Record: 9-11
Big East Tournament Seed: 7
Big East Tournament Result: 1-1
Postseason Tournament and Seed: None
Postseason: None
[/quote]

I like the positivos and the records they are projecting.  Really hope am I wrong but I see this as basically a .500 season.
Title: Re: 22-23 W-L Predictions
Post by: dgies9156 on September 13, 2022, 04:12:17 PM
Viper

The UNC game was an unreal experience. The game against Russia and Al's last game might have been crazier, but all must attend games.

I was at all three. The Russian game was the best, by far.
Title: Re: 22-23 W-L Predictions
Post by: Newsdreams on September 13, 2022, 04:38:26 PM
I was at all three. The Russian game was the best, by far.
Commie
Title: Re: 22-23 W-L Predictions
Post by: bilsu on September 13, 2022, 08:43:12 PM
The Mecca was/is a dump. Intimate venue yes and great basketball environs due to rowdy fan behavior (and winning), of which the behavior is outlawed today (must during live play, toilet paper, obscene chants, paper machete mascot). Smoking was allowed at your seats, where the haze layer would have outed the Bradley Bat and likely killed a number of fans. Yes, you could drink beer, but in the hallway, not at your seats. The food selection was reheated hot dogs from the Bucks game.

FF is the best fan experience by far. The BC was louder because the students were seated together.  And STH's filled in behind the one basket which is important as students aren't even in session for many BE games in the expanded schedule.

Mecca was a great bandbox because of great team and brand. Those days have passed.
The Mecca was not a dump in AL's days. It was an NBA arena. UW was playing their games in the Field House. That was a dump compared to the Mecca.
Title: Re: 22-23 W-L Predictions
Post by: MU82 on September 13, 2022, 08:54:20 PM
The Arena was a great place for fans. No bad seats, close to the action, intimate feel. I understand the Bucks' need for a bigger place, but it was a nice sized arena for college hoops.

Still, one of my favorite "home" games during my time at MU was the 1980 game against Duke. Had to be moved to Dane County Coliseum because there was a conflict with the Bucks (IIRC), so only Marquette fans who really wanted to be there attended (very few sweater vests). The place was rockin', and we won a close one against a highly ranked Duke team that had Gminski, Banks, etc. What a blast!
Title: Re: 22-23 W-L Predictions
Post by: bilsu on September 13, 2022, 08:55:48 PM
I will go on record today to say we beat Baylor - our defense will be closer to mid season form and we handle Baylor who won't be prepared for it.
Beating Baylor would significantly raise my expectations for the rest of the year.
I have not done a prediction, because I simply do not know if the amazing February run last year was a fluke or something Shaka can pull off again. I do think we have a good chance to finish 5th in the Big East.
Title: Re: 22-23 W-L Predictions
Post by: Newsdreams on September 14, 2022, 01:44:42 AM
The Arena was a great place for fans. No bad seats, close to the action, intimate feel. I understand the Bucks' need for a bigger place, but it was a nice sized arena for college hoops.

Still, one of my favorite "home" games during my time at MU was the 1980 game against Duke. Had to be moved to Dane County Coliseum because there was a conflict with the Bucks (IIRC), so only Marquette fans who really wanted to be there attended (very few sweater vests). The place was rockin', and we won a close one against a highly ranked Duke team that had Gminski, Banks, etc. What a blast!
Was at that game, so much fun.
Title: Re: 22-23 W-L Predictions
Post by: Royale on September 14, 2022, 05:42:37 AM
It's hard to do the math of subtracting Lewis, Morsell and Kuath while adding Wrightsil, Jones and Ross and figuring we come out ahead.

Any prediction for a big step forward is an exercise in blind faith. It's not necessarily wrong to believe in development and continuity, but there's objectively less seasoned basketball ability on the roster right now.

I'd be happy with another season similar to last. Making consecutive NCAA tournaments would feel like a small step in the right direction. You do wonder when Shaka cranks it up a little bit. I would think there's a fairly low ceiling with his current recruiting strategy.
Title: Re: 22-23 W-L Predictions
Post by: Sultan Sultanberger on September 14, 2022, 05:56:01 AM
It's hard to do the math of subtracting Lewis, Morsell and Kuath while adding Wrightsil, Jones and Ross and figuring we come out ahead.

Any prediction for a big step forward is an exercise in blind faith. It's not necessarily wrong to believe in development and continuity, but there's objectively less seasoned basketball ability on the roster right now.

I'd be happy with another season similar to last. Making consecutive NCAA tournaments would feel like a small step in the right direction. You do wonder when Shaka cranks it up a little bit. I would think there's a fairly low ceiling with his current recruiting strategy.


You would think that if this were fantasy basketball where games are played on paper.

Good thing it isn’t.
Title: Re: 22-23 W-L Predictions
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on September 14, 2022, 08:09:31 AM
It's hard to do the math of subtracting Lewis, Morsell and Kuath while adding Wrightsil, Jones and Ross and figuring we come out ahead.

Any prediction for a big step forward is an exercise in blind faith. It's not necessarily wrong to believe in development and continuity, but there's objectively less seasoned basketball ability on the roster right now.

I'd be happy with another season similar to last. Making consecutive NCAA tournaments would feel like a small step in the right direction. You do wonder when Shaka cranks it up a little bit. I would think there's a fairly low ceiling with his current recruiting strategy.

Its not just Lewis/Morsell/Kuath vs Wrightsil/Jones/Ross and Gold(who you left off).

Anyone who is confident in this team being better is also factoring in every single guy who played with MU last year that returns being better and potentially significantly better than who they were last year.

If all those guys simply stayed the exact same players, then yeah what we lost is most certainly going to be more than what we brought in. But thats not logical to believe.
Title: Re: 22-23 W-L Predictions
Post by: Scoop Snoop on September 14, 2022, 08:29:11 AM
Beating Baylor would significantly raise my expectations for the rest of the year.
I have not done a prediction, because I simply do not know if the amazing February run last year was a fluke or something Shaka can pull off again. I do think we have a good chance to finish 5th in the Big East.

Seems to me that you are contradicting yourself here. You stated the reason that you have not done a prediction and then say we have a "good chance" at finishing 5th in the BE. While that is not exactly a prediction, please explain how you arrived at that conclusion.

My "prediction" for this coming season is really just a wild guess, and I suspect some of the others who posted theirs would admit to the same. Others actually do research to arrive at their predictions. I hope I never see another post like the one last October where someone did not make a preseason prediction "because I have not seen them perform on the court yet".

Title: Re: 22-23 W-L Predictions
Post by: MUfan12 on September 14, 2022, 09:13:16 AM
Three reasons why I am optimistic about them-

-Continuity. Core guys will have played a bunch together and been through the gauntlet of a BE season.
-More looks offensively. Having another ballhandler will help a ton. As will a true pick and pop big in Gold.
-Pace. For all their positives, Lewis and Morsell were halfcourt players. Run on everything. The depth is there.

Obviously concerned about rebounding. Going to need the guards to chip in more on that front.
Title: Re: 22-23 W-L Predictions
Post by: bilsu on September 14, 2022, 09:28:41 AM
Seems to me that you are contradicting yourself here. You stated the reason that you have not done a prediction and then say we have a "good chance" at finishing 5th in the BE. While that is not exactly a prediction, please explain how you arrived at that conclusion.

My "prediction" for this coming season is really just a wild guess, and I suspect some of the others who posted theirs would admit to the same. Others actually do research to arrive at their predictions. I hope I never see another post like the one last October where someone did not make a preseason prediction "because I have not seen them perform on the court yet".
I see 4 teams that are easily better than MU and everyone else. We will not finish ahead of them unless one of them implodes. The fifth best team could be the team that goes 11-9. I am not a believer in St. John's, which is the fifth Big East team predicted to be in the NCAA tournament in the latest bracketology.
Title: Re: 22-23 W-L Predictions
Post by: bilsu on September 14, 2022, 09:33:13 AM
All of our returning players should show improvement and I think we all agree on that. However, that is most likely true of all Big East teams, so the improvement is somewhat offset by other teams' returning players improvements.
Title: Re: 22-23 W-L Predictions
Post by: Spotcheck Billy on September 14, 2022, 09:50:13 AM
It's hard to do the math of subtracting Lewis, Morsell and Kuath while adding Wrightsil, Jones and Ross and figuring we come out ahead.

Any prediction for a big step forward is an exercise in blind faith. It's not necessarily wrong to believe in development and continuity, but there's objectively less seasoned basketball ability on the roster right now.

I'd be happy with another season similar to last. Making consecutive NCAA tournaments would feel like a small step in the right direction. You do wonder when Shaka cranks it up a little bit. I would think there's a fairly low ceiling with his current recruiting strategy.

I would look at the bolded more as there is more experience playing for Shaka this year than there was last year with Lewis, Morsell and Kuath etc.
Title: Re: 22-23 W-L Predictions
Post by: Royale on September 14, 2022, 09:56:28 AM
I appreciate what Shaka's doing.

He's got a legitimate program-building strategy that doesn't involve beating UK and UNC at their own game (accumulating stars and rolling the ball out). That's smart (rimshot).

But if you take off the blue and gold glasses, this team does not appear to be especially talented. We are all counting on continuity and development, and that's the magic dust that allows us think we'll overachieve again. But until we have some proof that the magic dust is indeed magic, it's blind optimism.

Again, big fan of Shaka, and he's got a lot of rope as far as I'm concerned. It'll be interesting to see how much development the team shows and if/when he's able to start landing a higher caliber of player.
Title: Re: 22-23 W-L Predictions
Post by: Shooter McGavin on September 14, 2022, 09:59:35 AM
I appreciate what Shaka's doing.

He's got a legitimate program-building strategy that doesn't involve beating UK and UNC at their own game (accumulating stars and rolling the ball out). That's smart (rimshot).

But if you take off the blue and gold glasses, this team does not appear to be especially talented. We are all counting on continuity and development, and that's the magic dust that allows us think we'll overachieve again. But until we have some proof that the magic dust is indeed magic, it's blind optimism.

Again, big fan of Shaka, and he's got a lot of rope as far as I'm concerned. It'll be interesting to see how much development the team shows and if/when he's able to start landing a higher caliber of player.

Yep.
Title: Re: 22-23 W-L Predictions
Post by: Shooter McGavin on September 14, 2022, 10:19:33 AM
I’d like nothing more than to puff my chest out again about MU basketball and this team.     But I’ve seen nothing but hype videos that would warrant that.  The two best players left MU in the off-season and we are counting on the collective development or our “not best players” and a middling recruiting class to help us be competitive in the Big East.

I hope the optimists are correct. Ben Gold may be the next Steve Novak.  Sean Jones may be the next Dominic James.  Joplin could turn into the next Jamil Wilson. Kolek the next Deiner.  A ton of stuff will have e to go right for this team to be competitive in the Big East.  But I’ll have to see it to believe it.  Get er done Shake!  Go MU!

Title: Re: 22-23 W-L Predictions
Post by: MUfan12 on September 14, 2022, 10:21:49 AM

But if you take off the blue and gold glasses, this team does not appear to be especially talented. We are all counting on continuity and development, and that's the magic dust that allows us think we'll overachieve again. But until we have some proof that the magic dust is indeed magic, it's blind optimism.


I don't think it's "magic dust" or blindly optimistic to think that can lead to good results. The college game is a system game. Schools that recruit to their style and develop players can win at a pretty high level. We don't even need to look outside of WI to see that.
Title: Re: 22-23 W-L Predictions
Post by: TAMU, the Wizard of MU Basketball on September 14, 2022, 10:36:51 AM
Three reasons why I am optimistic about them-

-Continuity. Core guys will have played a bunch together and been through the gauntlet of a BE season.
-More looks offensively. Having another ballhandler will help a ton. As will a true pick and pop big in Gold.
-Pace. For all their positives, Lewis and Morsell were halfcourt players. Run on everything. The depth is there.

Obviously concerned about rebounding. Going to need the guards to chip in more on that front.

Agreed on all counts
Title: Re: 22-23 W-L Predictions
Post by: Jay Bee on September 14, 2022, 10:50:08 AM
Looks like Purdue has lost 1 nonconf home game in the past 5 years. It was to Shaka. Their following game, they lost at Fiserv. Book an MU W aina
Title: Re: 22-23 W-L Predictions
Post by: Goose on September 14, 2022, 11:28:39 AM
Royale

I try very hard not to have blind optimism and last year I felt they would overachieve simply based off the Shaka factor and I think they did. That said, I am giving Shak the benefit of knowing if we have enough talent or not. Considering the lack of available room for newcomers it appears to me that Shaka is 100% in on the guys he has on the roster. If he is going into this season and next with sub-par talent, he better be a helluva of a game coach.

I have said several times that I think all of the returning guys are athletic, basketball players and not just athletes. IMO, we need every guy to be a bit better and 2-3 to be much better and I like our chances. I do believe that there will be parity with 5-7 guys and will make playing time difficult for everyone. That is a situation that could free up roster space for next year.

Again, if Shaka ends up dropping the ball, I will be one of the first to get all over him on Scoop. To date, he has not given me any reason not to believe he was/is the right guy for the program. The fact that we did not lose one guy to the transfer portal confirmed to me this guy connects with the guys.
Title: Re: 22-23 W-L Predictions
Post by: Royale on September 14, 2022, 12:38:47 PM
Royale

I try very hard not to have blind optimism and last year I felt they would overachieve simply based off the Shaka factor and I think they did. That said, I am giving Shak the benefit of knowing if we have enough talent or not. Considering the lack of available room for newcomers it appears to me that Shaka is 100% in on the guys he has on the roster. If he is going into this season and next with sub-par talent, he better be a helluva of a game coach.

I have said several times that I think all of the returning guys are athletic, basketball players and not just athletes. IMO, we need every guy to be a bit better and 2-3 to be much better and I like our chances. I do believe that there will be parity with 5-7 guys and will make playing time difficult for everyone. That is a situation that could free up roster space for next year.

Again, if Shaka ends up dropping the ball, I will be one of the first to get all over him on Scoop. To date, he has not given me any reason not to believe he was/is the right guy for the program. The fact that we did not lose one guy to the transfer portal confirmed to me this guy connects with the guys.


Appreciate this post, and I wasn't trying to imply that those that are optimistic are foolish or wrong. I think you've made good points about where any glass-half-full thinking comes from. In particular, Shaka does likely deserve a certain amount of faith. However--and not to change subjects--I still think he's a bit more unproven than most (VCU was up-and-running when he took the reins and his Texas tenure was what it was).

As with all of us, I really want this team to be good. But I just keep looking at the roster, and I have a really hard time  getting there. It's not hot seat time or anything, but I think this is a pivotal season in gauging what Shaka is. If this team falls short of the NCAA tourney, it suggests his read on his talent might not have been especially good. Because, externally that's the read, and I would think there were opportunities to add talent to the roster. He chose not to.
Title: Re: 22-23 W-L Predictions
Post by: Elonsmusk on September 14, 2022, 01:15:29 PM
Appreciate this post, and I wasn't trying to imply that those that are optimistic are foolish or wrong. I think you've made good points about where any glass-half-full thinking comes from. In particular, Shaka does likely deserve a certain amount of faith. However--and not to change subjects--I still think he's a bit more unproven than most (VCU was up-and-running when he took the reins and his Texas tenure was what it was).

As with all of us, I really want this team to be good. But I just keep looking at the roster, and I have a really hard time  getting there. It's not hot seat time or anything, but I think this is a pivotal season in gauging what Shaka is. If this team falls short of the NCAA tourney, it suggests his read on his talent might not have been especially good. Because, externally that's the read, and I would think there were opportunities to add talent to the roster. He chose not to.

I'm not looking at this season as any kind of barometer on Shaka's fit for the program or capability at MU.  My feeling is he learned from Texas that the one and done's aren't necessarily the players and type of program that he most desires to build.

Shaka seems to truly enjoy the relationships with his players, seeing their development through on and off the court, and not having a turnstyle type of program. 

I think it's possible Shaka could have added some additional transfers this past off-season, but he likes his guys and is committed to their development.

Getting us to the NCAA in Year 1 was a phenomenal job.  Perhaps in Year 2 we take a slight dip.  I tend to think we will be a team that finishes similar to last year's - borderline NCAA team.  However, I feel that in Year 3 and 4 we will start to see the dividends paid on the retention, continuity, and culture fronts.  If by the end of Year 4 we are still a fringe NCAA team, then perhaps we need to reconsider.  Yet, at some point, we may need to just realize that the ceiling at MU might very well be Sweet 16s and the norm the 8-9 seed NCAA tournament team.
Title: Re: 22-23 W-L Predictions
Post by: Sultan Sultanberger on September 14, 2022, 01:23:59 PM
I'm not looking at this season as any kind of barometer on Shaka's fit for the program or capability at MU.  My feeling is he learned from Texas that the one and done's aren't necessarily the players and type of program that he most desires to build.

Shaka seems to truly enjoy the relationships with his players, seeing their development through on and off the court, and not having a turnstyle type of program. 

I think it's possible Shaka could have added some additional transfers this past off-season, but he likes his guys and is committed to their development.

Getting us to the NCAA in Year 1 was a phenomenal job.  Perhaps in Year 2 we take a slight dip.  I tend to think we will be a team that finishes similar to last year's - borderline NCAA team.  However, I feel that in Year 3 and 4 we will start to see the dividends paid on the retention, continuity, and culture fronts.  If by the end of Year 4 we are still a fringe NCAA team, then perhaps we need to reconsider.  Yet, at some point, we may need to just realize that the ceiling at MU might very well be Sweet 16s and the norm the 8-9 seed NCAA tournament team.


The ceiling for Marquette basketball are national championships. Period.

If Nova can do it, Marquette most certainly can. Not that it is easy, and not that a coach should be fired if they fall short of that lofty goal, but Villanova has no more advantage than Marquette does.

Now, I will be happy with Sweet 16s no doubt.  But don't give me that the ceilings are Sweet 16s when St. Peters made the E8 last year and Loyola a F4 just a few years ago.
Title: Re: 22-23 W-L Predictions
Post by: Goose on September 14, 2022, 01:53:43 PM
Elon

If MU's ceiling is S16 I have wasted way too much of my life on scoop. I'm sure how far Shaka can take the program, but my expectations are higher than S16 ceiling. IF, and I say IF, MU can keep Shaka for 10+ years I think he is going to build something special. Much of my excitement over the hiring of Shaka is I believe this is a guy that can be here for the long haul. More importantly, it is a guy that I believe will be considered a top ten level coach down the road.
Title: Re: 22-23 W-L Predictions
Post by: brewcity77 on September 14, 2022, 04:08:29 PM

The ceiling for Marquette basketball are national championships. Period.

If Nova can do it, Marquette most certainly can. Not that it is easy, and not that a coach should be fired if they fall short of that lofty goal, but Villanova has no more advantage than Marquette does.

Now, I will be happy with Sweet 16s no doubt.  But don't give me that the ceilings are Sweet 16s when St. Peters made the E8 last year and Loyola a F4 just a few years ago.

QFT
Title: Re: 22-23 W-L Predictions
Post by: DienerTime34 on September 15, 2022, 11:35:16 AM
I'll judge the success of the season much more on how we finish than caring if we go 17-14 or 15-16. The March slide is part of the DNA of the program at this point. Show progress in March, steal a game in the Big East Tournament, get me believing in the direction of the program. That's what this season is about. Also, beat DePaul both times.
Title: Re: 22-23 W-L Predictions
Post by: Warrior Code on September 15, 2022, 01:54:24 PM
22-23? 22 wins is usually a decent season but I guess not when you're playing 45 games

#cole
Title: Re: 22-23 W-L Predictions
Post by: dgies9156 on September 15, 2022, 03:03:21 PM
Elon

If MU's ceiling is S16 I have wasted way too much of my life on scoop. I'm sure how far Shaka can take the program, but my expectations are higher than S16 ceiling. IF, and I say IF, MU can keep Shaka for 10+ years I think he is going to build something special. Much of my excitement over the hiring of Shaka is I believe this is a guy that can be here for the long haul. More importantly, it is a guy that I believe will be considered a top ten level coach down the road.

10-4 good buddy.

You had to have been there! I know that's a well-worn phrase but nothing made us more proud of Marquette University than in March 1977, when we were national champions. What it did for our morale; for the university community; and, for the university was unparalleled. It's perhaps a bit trite but nothing else Marquette University ever did gave us the national exposure and recognition that the 1977 championship did.

People talked to us because there was an implied presumption that like our basketball team, we were good. Obnoxious, perhaps. But good! Our university was in the national spotlight.

And then came that stupid, sad and moronic Miami of Ohio game a year later. We have to get back. We just have to!

Title: Re: 22-23 W-L Predictions
Post by: bilsu on September 16, 2022, 05:12:52 PM
Elon

If MU's ceiling is S16 I have wasted way too much of my life on scoop. I'm sure how far Shaka can take the program, but my expectations are higher than S16 ceiling. IF, and I say IF, MU can keep Shaka for 10+ years I think he is going to build something special. Much of my excitement over the hiring of Shaka is I believe this is a guy that can be here for the long haul. More importantly, it is a guy that I believe will be considered a top ten level coach down the road.
This depends on your time frame. I think it is unlikely, but MU's ceiling this year is probably a S16.
It took Al 11 years to make the final four and 13 years to win the title. The ceiling is higher than a S16, if Shaka lasts at MU 10 years.
Title: Re: 22-23 W-L Predictions
Post by: romey on September 19, 2022, 10:03:17 AM

Milwaukee Arena :)
Title: Re: 22-23 W-L Predictions
Post by: GoldenEagles03 on September 26, 2022, 01:05:01 PM
I think it is more likely that this team finishes with a record not good enough to get an NIT bid than it is for them to make the NCAA tournament, but I'm still excited for development.

Only 1 Senior on the roster and it's a guy who's never played D1 basketball. Could be a really long year for those expecting to dance but a really fun year for those entering with limited expectations.
Title: Re: 22-23 W-L Predictions
Post by: Vander Blue Man Group on September 26, 2022, 01:48:29 PM
I think it is more likely that this team finishes with a record not good enough to get an NIT bid than it is for them to make the NCAA tournament, but I'm still excited for development.

Only 1 Senior on the roster and it's a guy who's never played D1 basketball. Could be a really long year for those expecting to dance but a really fun year for those entering with limited expectations.

Completely disagree on this one.  That's not to see I'm confident in a NCAA tourney berth but I think that's more likely than failing to qualify for the NIT. 
Title: Re: 22-23 W-L Predictions
Post by: Jay Bee on September 26, 2022, 03:09:15 PM
Completely disagree on this one.  That's not to see I'm confident in a NCAA tourney berth but I think that's more likely than failing to qualify for the NIT.

There are not a lot of NIT slots available to a team like us in most years.
Title: Re: 22-23 W-L Predictions
Post by: dgies9156 on September 26, 2022, 03:42:21 PM
This is a fairly optimistic group based on the observations so far.

67 percent of those answering the predictions think we're going to the NCAA Tournament. What's more, about 45 percent of respondents think we're going to break our decade-long win drought.

Wow. The median record from this group is 19-12, as is the average. That's out of 24 responses. Only two of us, WadesWorld and Mileskishnish72, think we will lose more than we win.

Here's the rundown:

Scooper   Wins   Losses   NCAA   Comments
TAMU   20   11   Yes   Win 1
MUFAN 12   20   11   Yes   Win 1
Wades World   15   16   Nope   Home
Golden Warrior 11   19   12   Yes   Lose
Uncle Rico   20   11   Yes   Elite 8
JFP61   18   13   Yes   Last 4
FJM   17   14   Nope   NIT
Real Chili   31   0   Yes   Natty
BrewCity 77   23   8   Yes   Sweet 16
Golden Eagles 03   16   15   Nope   NIT
Dark Warrior   21   10   Yes   Win 1
MuggsyB   20   11   Yes   Win 1
Mileskishnish72   15   16   Nope   NIT
YoungMUFan 4   17   13   Nope   NIT Runnerup
Viper   18   13   Yes   Loss
Scoop Snoop   19   12   Yes   Win 1
Eye   21   10   Yes   Win 1
MarqKarp   18   13   Yes   Win 1
Dgies9156   21   10   Yes   Win 1
Lawdog   22   9   Yes   Final 4
TV Director   19   12   Yes   Win 1
GurneeHitchkr   19   15   Unk   Nope
Accredo Joe   17   14   Nope   NIT
MarquetteDano   17   16   Nope   Home
            
Median    19     12       
Average    19     12       









Title: Re: 22-23 W-L Predictions
Post by: mileskishnish72 on September 26, 2022, 04:03:21 PM
Good work, dgies.
Title: Re: 22-23 W-L Predictions
Post by: MU82 on September 26, 2022, 04:07:59 PM
Well, we should improve year over year. Players should improve significantly from soph to jr year and from frosh to soph year. All the coaches and players should have the system down pat in Year 2, with a full offseason to prepare and bond.

That's why Marquette dumped Wojo, why we brought in Shaka, and why MU pays Shaka handsomely.

Time to take the next step, a forward step.
Title: Re: 22-23 W-L Predictions
Post by: fjm on September 26, 2022, 04:32:42 PM
This is a fairly optimistic group based on the observations so far.

67 percent of those answering the predictions think we're going to the NCAA Tournament. What's more, about 45 percent of respondents think we're going to break our decade-long win drought.

Wow. The median record from this group is 19-12, as is the average. That's out of 24 responses. Only two of us, WadesWorld and Mileskishnish72, think we will lose more than we win.

Here's the rundown:

Scooper   Wins   Losses   NCAA   Comments
TAMU   20   11   Yes   Win 1
MUFAN 12   20   11   Yes   Win 1
Wades World   15   16   Nope   Home
Golden Warrior 11   19   12   Yes   Lose
Uncle Rico   20   11   Yes   Elite 8
JFP61   18   13   Yes   Last 4
FJM   17   14   Nope   NIT
Real Chili   31   0   Yes   Natty
BrewCity 77   23   8   Yes   Sweet 16
Golden Eagles 03   16   15   Nope   NIT
Dark Warrior   21   10   Yes   Win 1
MuggsyB   20   11   Yes   Win 1
Mileskishnish72   15   16   Nope   NIT
YoungMUFan 4   17   13   Nope   NIT Runnerup
Viper   18   13   Yes   Loss
Scoop Snoop   19   12   Yes   Win 1
Eye   21   10   Yes   Win 1
MarqKarp   18   13   Yes   Win 1
Dgies9156   21   10   Yes   Win 1
Lawdog   22   9   Yes   Final 4
TV Director   19   12   Yes   Win 1
GurneeHitchkr   19   15   Unk   Nope
Accredo Joe   17   14   Nope   NIT
MarquetteDano   17   16   Nope   Home
            
Median    19     12       
Average    19     12

Awesome man. Thanks for throwing that together.
Title: Re: 22-23 W-L Predictions
Post by: Scoop Snoop on September 26, 2022, 05:09:33 PM
Thanks dgies!

I'm pleased to see a system being built at Marquette and that takes time. Once during a halftime show two years ago, Charles Barkley said (something like) "Marquette has no identity. They need an identity." I do not remember what game it was, but I do remember Marquette looked awful in the first half and I thought "Barkley nailed it!". To me, identity is just another word for system.

If we finish around 6th place again, patience! I think we will be somewhere in the top 3-4 in Shaka's 3rd season, but if my "predictions" for this coming season prove to be far too conservative, great! I'd love that.



Title: Re: 22-23 W-L Predictions
Post by: wadesworld on September 26, 2022, 05:28:25 PM
Thanks dgies!

I'm pleased to see a system being built at Marquette and that takes time. Once during a halftime show two years ago, Charles Barkley said (something like) "Marquette has no identity. They need an identity." I do not remember what game it was, but I do remember Marquette looked awful in the first half and I thought "Barkley nailed it!". To me, identity is just another word for system.

If we finish around 6th place again, patience! I think we will be somewhere in the top 3-4 in Shaka's 3rd season, but if my "predictions" for this coming season prove to be far too conservative, great! I'd love that.

The only games that Barkley would've been doing halftime for an MU game would be NCAA Tournament games.  Timeline must be off, because two years ago we weren't playing in an NCAA Tournament.
Title: Re: 22-23 W-L Predictions
Post by: Elonsmusk on September 26, 2022, 07:06:37 PM
Well, we should improve year over year. Players should improve significantly from soph to jr year and from frosh to soph year. All the coaches and players should have the system down pat in Year 2, with a full offseason to prepare and bond.

That's why Marquette dumped Wojo, why we brought in Shaka, and why MU pays Shaka handsomely.

Time to take the next step, a forward step.

True that we should have improvement, just as it is true of every other program.  My feeling is the 2023-2024 season will be the one where we take a big leap assuming we return everyone from this year's roster (except Wrightsill of course.)

I would also say that Wojo wasn't canned because his 2nd season team failed to show improvement.  He got canned because he never once exceeded expectations, never won an NCAA game, and in Year 7 the team finished 13-14.

I'm optimistic about this season yet am not going to jump off the Shaka bandwagon if we have an NIT caliber year.  I think Scoop is pretty on target with its aggregate prediction of 19-12.
Title: Re: 22-23 W-L Predictions
Post by: panda on September 26, 2022, 07:10:08 PM
True that we should have improvement, just as it is true of every other program.  My feeling is the 2023-2024 season will be the one where we take a big leap assuming we return everyone from this year's roster (except Wrightsill of course.)

I would also say that Wojo wasn't canned because his 2nd season team failed to show improvement.  He got canned because he never once exceeded expectations, never won an NCAA game, and in Year 7 the team finished 13-14.

I'm optimistic about this season yet am not going to jump off the Shaka bandwagon if we have an NIT caliber year.  I think Scoop is pretty on target with its aggregate prediction of 19-12.

Don’t forget his teams only finished above .500 twice in seven years in conference.
Title: Re: 22-23 W-L Predictions
Post by: Scoop Snoop on September 26, 2022, 07:32:27 PM
The only games that Barkley would've been doing halftime for an MU game would be NCAA Tournament games.  Timeline must be off, because two years ago we weren't playing in an NCAA Tournament.

You are correct. My timeline is obviously off.

His point was valid though.
Title: Re: 22-23 W-L Predictions
Post by: real chili 83 on September 26, 2022, 08:55:42 PM
This is a fairly optimistic group based on the observations so far.

67 percent of those answering the predictions think we're going to the NCAA Tournament. What's more, about 45 percent of respondents think we're going to break our decade-long win drought.

Wow. The median record from this group is 19-12, as is the average. That's out of 24 responses. Only two of us, WadesWorld and Mileskishnish72, think we will lose more than we win.

Here's the rundown:

Scooper   Wins   Losses   NCAA   Comments
TAMU   20   11   Yes   Win 1
MUFAN 12   20   11   Yes   Win 1
Wades World   15   16   Nope   Home
Golden Warrior 11   19   12   Yes   Lose
Uncle Rico   20   11   Yes   Elite 8
JFP61   18   13   Yes   Last 4
FJM   17   14   Nope   NIT
Real Chili   31   0   Yes   Natty
BrewCity 77   23   8   Yes   Sweet 16
Golden Eagles 03   16   15   Nope   NIT
Dark Warrior   21   10   Yes   Win 1
MuggsyB   20   11   Yes   Win 1
Mileskishnish72   15   16   Nope   NIT
YoungMUFan 4   17   13   Nope   NIT Runnerup
Viper   18   13   Yes   Loss
Scoop Snoop   19   12   Yes   Win 1
Eye   21   10   Yes   Win 1
MarqKarp   18   13   Yes   Win 1
Dgies9156   21   10   Yes   Win 1
Lawdog   22   9   Yes   Final 4
TV Director   19   12   Yes   Win 1
GurneeHitchkr   19   15   Unk   Nope
Accredo Joe   17   14   Nope   NIT
MarquetteDano   17   16   Nope   Home
            
Median    19     12       
Average    19     12

Go big….
Title: Re: 22-23 W-L Predictions
Post by: Newsdreams on September 26, 2022, 09:29:33 PM
Go big….

Or go bald....  ;D
Title: Re: 22-23 W-L Predictions
Post by: MU82 on September 26, 2022, 09:40:46 PM
True that we should have improvement, just as it is true of every other program.  My feeling is the 2023-2024 season will be the one where we take a big leap assuming we return everyone from this year's roster (except Wrightsill of course.)

I would also say that Wojo wasn't canned because his 2nd season team failed to show improvement.  He got canned because he never once exceeded expectations, never won an NCAA game, and in Year 7 the team finished 13-14.

I'm optimistic about this season yet am not going to jump off the Shaka bandwagon if we have an NIT caliber year.  I think Scoop is pretty on target with its aggregate prediction of 19-12.

I'm not a bottom-line, black-and-white guy. Stuff happens in a season, and sometimes it's out of a coach's control. I realize that it's possible that we see a lot of improvement but that the record won't exactly reflect it. I am in no way saying Shaka should be fired next season if our record's not as good as it was last season.

You're correct on why Wojo was canned. I oversimplified.

I will say that if we go 10-22 like Shaka did in his second year at Texas, I'll be more than a little disappointed ... but I obviously think we'll be much better than that.
Title: Re: 22-23 W-L Predictions
Post by: Elonsmusk on September 27, 2022, 08:41:28 PM
I'm not a bottom-line, black-and-white guy. Stuff happens in a season, and sometimes it's out of a coach's control. I realize that it's possible that we see a lot of improvement but that the record won't exactly reflect it. I am in no way saying Shaka should be fired next season if our record's not as good as it was last season.

You're correct on why Wojo was canned. I oversimplified.

I will say that if we go 10-22 like Shaka did in his second year at Texas, I'll be more than a little disappointed ... but I obviously think we'll be much better than that.

100%!  That would exceed any level of disappointment I had under Wojo as coach!  I think it is going to be a fun year with some memorable wins and a lot of very competitive games.  19-12 and an NCAA again with a first round win - I'd be thrilled.
Title: Re: 22-23 W-L Predictions
Post by: NolongerWarriors on September 28, 2022, 07:58:47 AM
I'm not a bottom-line, black-and-white guy. Stuff happens in a season, and sometimes it's out of a coach's control. I realize that it's possible that we see a lot of improvement but that the record won't exactly reflect it. I am in no way saying Shaka should be fired next season if our record's not as good as it was last season.

You're correct on why Wojo was canned. I oversimplified.

I will say that if we go 10-22 like Shaka did in his second year at Texas, I'll be more than a little disappointed ... but I obviously think we'll be much better than that.

If MU goes 10-22 (or anything approaching that), Shaka should be fired the day after the season ends.  But I would love to read his fanboys here defending that record.
Title: Re: 22-23 W-L Predictions
Post by: Newsdreams on September 28, 2022, 08:17:54 AM
If MU goes 10-22 (or anything approaching that), Shaka should be fired the day after the season ends.  But I would love to read his fanboys here defending that record.
We are the COLE patrol
Title: Re: 22-23 W-L Predictions
Post by: Uncle Rico on September 28, 2022, 08:21:22 AM
If MU goes 10-22 (or anything approaching that), Shaka should be fired the day after the season ends.  But I would love to read his fanboys here defending that record.

So, you’d love failure for that reason?  Real fan
Title: Re: 22-23 W-L Predictions
Post by: We R Final Four on September 28, 2022, 08:25:58 AM
So, you’d love failure for that reason?  Real fan
Badger troll.
Title: Re: 22-23 W-L Predictions
Post by: Sultan Sultanberger on September 28, 2022, 08:28:09 AM
If MU goes 10-22 (or anything approaching that), Shaka should be fired the day after the season ends.  But I would love to read his fanboys here defending that record.


It would be a huge disappointment. But no...he shouldn't be fired.
Title: Re: 22-23 W-L Predictions
Post by: cheebs09 on September 28, 2022, 08:55:13 AM
If MU goes 10-22 (or anything approaching that), Shaka should be fired the day after the season ends.  But I would love to read his fanboys here defending that record.

If the starting 5 gets hurt, and we go 10-22, do you still think he should be fired?

I would be very disappointed and have some serious questions if this team went 10-22. But I think it would make it difficult to hire a high quality coach if we fired another coach already.
Title: Re: 22-23 W-L Predictions
Post by: Goose on September 28, 2022, 09:33:02 AM
Last year my optimism going into the season was that Shaka would have buy in from the guys and they would overachieve, and I believe that happened. Watching the videos that MU shares, talking to folks that I consider knowledgeable and all the guys returning has my level of optimism at a very high level. In addition, it seems like the team has great chemistry off the court and kudo's to Shaka for building a real culture at MU.

On top of that, I love the style of player and play MU is going to play. It sure looks like it will be hard pressed to play a team that have a better collection of athletes. If one or two guys made big strides as a basketball player in the offseason, I think this team is going to surprise a lot of people.
Title: Re: 22-23 W-L Predictions
Post by: Scoop Snoop on September 28, 2022, 10:09:40 AM
Last year my optimism going into the season was that Shaka would have buy in from the guys and they would overachieve, and I believe that happened. Watching the videos that MU shares, talking to folks that I consider knowledgeable and all the guys returning has my level of optimism at a very high level. In addition, it seems like the team has great chemistry off the court and kudo's to Shaka for building a real culture at MU.

On top of that, I love the style of player and play MU is going to play. It sure looks like it will be hard pressed to play a team that have a better collection of athletes. If one or two guys made big strides as a basketball player in the offseason, I think this team is going to surprise a lot of people.

Thanks for posting this Goose. You were right for part of last season, and I am hoping that you are right for the entire season this time. I am really encouraged by this.
Title: Re: 22-23 W-L Predictions
Post by: Goose on September 28, 2022, 10:23:01 AM
Scoop

My biggest concern last season ended being the team running out of gas, not other teams figuring them out. The stretch they played in Jan was extremely high energy and every game felt like a tournament game. They were not good enough or deep enough to not be at 100% energy and it seemed like they ran out of gas. In addition, I do think they might have thought they were better than they were, both individually and as a team.

I have confidence that Shaka and the team probably learned as much from the end of the season as they did from the first half of the year. I am extremely excited to see how the guys progressed in the offseason and the style they will be playing. Good days are ahead for the program.
Title: Re: 22-23 W-L Predictions
Post by: Scoop Snoop on September 28, 2022, 10:33:46 AM
Gotcha Goose. I like your narrative/take about the second half of the season. I heard the "figured out" so often but somehow that seemed a bit simplistic to me. I hope my 19-12 prediction ends up looking like coleslaw.
Title: Re: 22-23 W-L Predictions
Post by: MU82 on September 28, 2022, 03:17:47 PM
Gotcha Goose. I like your narrative/take about the second half of the season. I heard the "figured out" so often but somehow that seemed a bit simplistic to me.

It can be some of both.

Opponents definitely played the pick-and-roll better later in the season. They forced Kolek to drive more into traffic. They learning which MU players to leave open. How many of our out-of-bounds plays worked well the last month?

But I think we did wear down, too. Kam, Lewis and especially Greg stopped hitting jumpers. We only shot about 30% from 3 over the last couple of weeks -- possibly a sign of tired legs. And the team's poor defense down the stretch might have had something to do with wearing down, also.

Then again, folks sure hated it when "tired legs" was used as an excuse by and/or for the previous regime. So here's hoping it's not an excuse this season.
Title: Re: 22-23 W-L Predictions
Post by: Newsdreams on September 28, 2022, 03:21:09 PM
It can be some of both.

Opponents definitely played the pick-and-roll better later in the season. They forced Kolek to drive more into traffic. They learning which MU players to leave open. How many of our out-of-bounds plays worked well the last month?

But I think we did wear down, too. Kam, Lewis and especially Greg stopped hitting jumpers. We only shot about 30% from 3 over the last couple of weeks -- possibly a sign of tired legs. And the team's poor defense down the stretch might have had something to do with wearing down, also.

Then again, folks sure hated it when "tired legs" was used as an excuse by and/or for the previous regime. So here's hoping it's not an excuse this season.
Young guys never get tired!
Title: Re: 22-23 W-L Predictions
Post by: tower912 on September 28, 2022, 03:22:34 PM
Balderdash
Title: Re: 22-23 W-L Predictions
Post by: MU82 on September 28, 2022, 03:58:18 PM
Young guys never get tired!

Later in his career, Knight said that with all the 3-minute TV timeouts and other stoppages, players should never get tired.
Title: Re: 22-23 W-L Predictions
Post by: tower912 on September 28, 2022, 04:01:19 PM
Late in his career, Bobby Knight was not a reliable source.
Title: Re: 22-23 W-L Predictions
Post by: Sultan Sultanberger on September 28, 2022, 04:06:27 PM
Knight said a lot of things.
Title: Re: 22-23 W-L Predictions
Post by: MU82 on September 28, 2022, 04:15:17 PM
True dat, tower and Sultan.
Title: Re: 22-23 W-L Predictions
Post by: Newsdreams on September 28, 2022, 07:00:46 PM
True dat, tower and Sultan.
He also choke players, assaulted a policeman and other various incidents.
Title: Re: 22-23 W-L Predictions
Post by: Goose on September 28, 2022, 08:29:49 PM
82

I should have been been clear in my post about running out of gas. I think they lost the mental chip they played with on the hot stretch as much as physically. I do not believe they had tired legs, rather they lost their edge and did not get it back.
Title: Re: 22-23 W-L Predictions
Post by: MU82 on September 28, 2022, 09:00:10 PM
82

I should have been been clear in my post about running out of gas. I think they lost the mental chip they played with on the hot stretch as much as physically. I do not believe they had tired legs, rather they lost their edge and did not get it back.

Thanks for the clarification. That makes sense, Goose. They had so many tight games, one-possession games. It was one of the more exciting months of MU basketball in years.
Title: Re: 22-23 W-L Predictions
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on September 29, 2022, 06:27:49 AM
82

I should have been been clear in my post about running out of gas. I think they lost the mental chip they played with on the hot stretch as much as physically. I do not believe they had tired legs, rather they lost their edge and did not get it back.

I said it last year but I will repeat:  Last year's team played too fast for its talent. The coaches stuck with it when it was going well and when it wasn't. The team wasn't mentally or physically tired, opposing coaches adjusted the second time through conference.

Teams laid off Kur and then doubled JLew. Kolek's left handed path to the basket with him being unable to either shoot effectively from outside or at the rim...and to jump his passing lanes for turnovers resulted. Greg's same old spot in the corner was easy to cover as he was a one trick pony. Make Morsell play PG. Lack of rebounding. Result: Losses on transition, extended possessions.

This year's team, while missing those experienced parts, is built for Shaka's systems. More so, the player depth and experience have caught up. Last year when Tyler was off, only a defensive minded Stevie could step in. Now there is an improved Stevie and Sean, and Tyler will be on his second year as a PG.

There will be up and downs, and not all the wins may be there, but this team is more multidimensional.
Title: Re: 22-23 W-L Predictions
Post by: MU82 on September 29, 2022, 07:40:27 AM
I said it last year but I will repeat:  Last year's team played too fast for its talent. The coaches stuck with it when it was going well and when it wasn't. The team wasn't mentally or physically tired, opposing coaches adjusted the second time through conference.

Teams laid off Kur and then doubled JLew. Kolek's left handed path to the basket with him being unable to either shoot effectively from outside or at the rim...and to jump his passing lanes for turnovers resulted. Greg's same old spot in the corner was easy to cover as he was a one trick pony. Make Morsell play PG. Lack of rebounding. Result: Losses on transition, extended possessions.

This year's team, while missing those experienced parts, is built for Shaka's systems. More so, the player depth and experience have caught up. Last year when Tyler was off, only a defensive minded Stevie could step in. Now there is an improved Stevie and Sean, and Tyler will be on his second year as a PG.

There will be up and downs, and not all the wins may be there, but this team is more multidimensional.

FWIW (probably not much), I really like this assessment.

I read this and it makes me say for the umpteenth time: I sure hope Kolek has improved his right hand, has become a better finisher, and has at least a semblance of both a pull-up game and a float game. Heck, any 2 of those (especially the right hand) and he will be so much better for us. He surprised me last season ... but we still need improved PG play, from him or someone else.

I do think we might have been worn down some by the final weeks of the season, mentally, perhaps physically, perhaps both. But yes, opponents took away some of the things we did best.
Title: Re: 22-23 W-L Predictions
Post by: Goose on September 29, 2022, 08:10:19 AM
Dr. B

I agree with your comments for this upcoming season. As for last year, I do not remember all of the specifics of the last month, but I thought our intensity was not as high and that was part of the problem. I am sure teams studied and made adjustments and that was part of the problem. More importantly, I am betting the learned a great deal from the last 10+ games.
Title: Re: 22-23 W-L Predictions
Post by: lawdog77 on September 29, 2022, 12:45:12 PM
Yeah, the narrative of "other teams figured us out the second time around" is false. First time through the conference 5-4, second time through 5-4. Throw in the last game with StJ (a win). We were what our record stated. No real slump or trending downward at the end of the year. Ran into two hot teams (Creighton and UNC) in the post season.
Title: Re: 22-23 W-L Predictions
Post by: DoctorV on September 29, 2022, 01:22:34 PM
It can be some of both.

Opponents definitely played the pick-and-roll better later in the season. They forced Kolek to drive more into traffic. They learning which MU players to leave open. How many of our out-of-bounds plays worked well the last month?

But I think we did wear down, too. Kam, Lewis and especially Greg stopped hitting jumpers. We only shot about 30% from 3 over the last couple of weeks -- possibly a sign of tired legs. And the team's poor defense down the stretch might have had something to do with wearing down, also.

Then again, folks sure hated it when "tired legs" was used as an excuse by and/or for the previous regime. So here's hoping it's not an excuse this season.

A lot of great takes in this thread.

As for the above, I agree, but I’ve been told the offense actually improved later in the year?

The unarguable no brainer is that the rebounding was abysmal, and the defense/defensive effort was not as good.

However, I agree with the above that after the gauntlet stretch and into the second half of the season the offense was not as crisp and wasn’t getting buckets with the ease and consistency as before. Not sure if the stats bear that, but it sure seemed that way. Perhaps it was partly a result of always needing a bucket due to brutal play on the defensive end.

Remember last year started very slow offensively, with Marquette launching a ton of 3s in the first stretch of the season and then it seemed like the staff went away from that a bit. Then there seemed to be a fantastic offensive stretch- if I recall elite stretch nationally- using p&r and the bigs driving to the bucket for easy hoops or kick outs and made 3s. Then that seemed to go away at the end.

It’ll be interesting to see how this season plays out
Title: Re: 22-23 W-L Predictions
Post by: The Equalizer on September 29, 2022, 01:28:25 PM
Quote from: Goose link=topic=63574.msg1470747#msg1470747 date=

I agree with your comments for this upcoming season. As for last year, I do not remember all of the specifics of the last month, but I thought our intensity was not as high and that was part of the problem. I am sure teams studied and made adjustments and that was part of the problem. More importantly, I am betting the learned a great deal from the last 10+ games.

I'm not sure it's the comforting comment it's being made out to be.

Simply put, if other teams study us and make adjustments in order to turn a loss into a win, we have an equal opportunity to do the same.  You have to look at which coaches did a good job and which didn't.

We played St. Johns only once, so they're not included.  Four teams wound up performing better in the 2nd (or 3rd) matchup against MU.  2 of them turning losses into wins (DePaul and Providence), one narrowing the margin of loss (Georgetown), and one increasing their margin of victory (Creighton). 

Georgetown  +28, +11, 17 point improvement made by Ewing compared to the previous meeting
DePaul +11, -11, 22 point improvement by Stubblefield
Providence +32, -2 34 point improvement by Cooley
2nd to 3rd Creighton -1, -11 10 point improvement by McDermott

The 1st Creighton game was a 6 point loss in 2OT, and the 2nd game was a 1 point loss in regulation.  I don't know whether to credit that as a 1 point improvement for McDermott or a 5 point improvement for Shaka, so I'm not including it.

One team we managed to have equal margin in both games--UConn. 
UConn -8, -8

Three games resulted in a better performance for Marquette in the second matchup increasing margin over Villanova by 7, Seton Hall by 9, turning an 11 point loss to Xavier into an 11 point win, and turning a six point loss at Butler into a 9 point win.
Xavier -11, +11 22 point improvement by Shaka
Villanova +3, +10 7 point improvement by Shaka
Seton Hall +1, +10 9 point improvement by Shaka
Butler -6, +9, 15 point improvement by Shaka

So if you were to compare Shaka's adjustment-making ability based on last season, he was worse than Cooley, Stubblefield, Ewing, and McDermott, on par with Hurley, and better than Steele, Jordan, Wright, and Willard.

The bad news: all four coaches who Shaka bettered at making adjustments last season have left the league.

And before someone makes the "small sample size" argument, keep in mind that everyone who made the same "don't worry, other teams just did a better job of adjusting" argument used the same data.  Right now it's just for fun.  In a few years we'll know if Cooley or Stubblefield are consistently better at making adjustments or if it were a one-time fluke.
Title: Re: 22-23 W-L Predictions
Post by: tower912 on September 29, 2022, 01:36:20 PM
AE did a deep dive.  Transition defense was bad and our transition offense tailed off.   Those were the two noticeable statistical differences.
Title: Re: 22-23 W-L Predictions
Post by: wadesworld on September 29, 2022, 02:17:12 PM
Yeah, the narrative of "other teams figured us out the second time around" is false. First time through the conference 5-4, second time through 5-4. Throw in the last game with StJ (a win). We were what our record stated. No real slump or trending downward at the end of the year. Ran into two hot teams (Creighton and UNC) in the post season.

Second half of the season.  We were 7-3 through our first 10 Big East games.  We went 4-5 in our last 9, plus then lost the first game of the BET and the first game of the NCAA Tournament.  Went from 15-6 (7-3) to 19-12 (11-8).
Title: Re: 22-23 W-L Predictions
Post by: TAMU, the Wizard of MU Basketball on September 29, 2022, 02:30:37 PM
And before someone makes the "small sample size" argument, keep in mind that everyone who made the same "don't worry, other teams just did a better job of adjusting" argument used the same data.  Right now it's just for fun.  In a few years we'll know if Cooley or Stubblefield are consistently better at making adjustments or if it were a one-time fluke.

I think the bigger problem with your assertion is that you can't look at changes in margin of victory and declare that the difference was entirely because one coach or the other was better at making adjustments. There's a lot of factors that go into winning a basketball game, not just coaching adjustments.
Title: Re: 22-23 W-L Predictions
Post by: lawdog77 on September 29, 2022, 02:36:30 PM
Second half of the season.  We were 7-3 through our first 10 Big East games.  We went 4-5 in our last 9, plus then lost the first game of the BET and the first game of the NCAA Tournament.  Went from 15-6 (7-3) to 19-12 (11-8).
That argument is different than those that state coaches figured us out (or made better adjustments) the second time we played them.
Title: Re: 22-23 W-L Predictions
Post by: Sultan Sultanberger on September 29, 2022, 02:38:16 PM
Second half of the season.  We were 7-3 through our first 10 Big East games.  We went 4-5 in our last 9, plus then lost the first game of the BET and the first game of the NCAA Tournament.  Went from 15-6 (7-3) to 19-12 (11-8).

Right. I don't mean that coaches made adjustments the second time they played against MU. I mean the book was out on them and other coaches took note during the second half of the year.

Title: Re: 22-23 W-L Predictions
Post by: lawdog77 on September 29, 2022, 02:49:57 PM
Right. I don't mean that coaches made adjustments the second time they played against MU. I mean the book was out on them and other coaches took note during the second half of the year.
Or we had an extremely hot streak, punching above our weight for 7 games, then fell back to our mean.
Title: Re: 22-23 W-L Predictions
Post by: Uncle Rico on September 29, 2022, 02:55:52 PM
Or we had an extremely hot streak, punching above our weight for 7 games, then fell back to our mean.

They won a few games early in the season they had no right to win
Title: Re: 22-23 W-L Predictions
Post by: MU82 on September 29, 2022, 02:58:57 PM
Or we had an extremely hot streak, punching above our weight for 7 games, then fell back to our mean.

9 games, really.

7-game winning streak was followed by a tough 2-point loss at Providence in which we played pretty darn well, followed by a huge win at Nova. That 8-1 streak included 5 wins over ranked teams (Nova twice). It was as good a month as Marquette basketball has had in a long, long time.

Did our alma mater's team play over its head? Seems so, but it was sure fun.

They won a few games early in the season they had no right to win

That also might be true. But did we have "no right to lose" to Butler and DePaul?
Title: Re: 22-23 W-L Predictions
Post by: tower912 on September 29, 2022, 03:04:31 PM
It was a hot streak.  It was fun.  They always are.  (20-2)  Adjustments were made.  Young guys got fatigued.

In the end, 19-12 was about as good as MU could have hoped for going into the season.    UNC was just a terrible match up.
Title: Re: 22-23 W-L Predictions
Post by: Uncle Rico on September 29, 2022, 05:03:51 PM
9 games, really.

7-game winning streak was followed by a tough 2-point loss at Providence in which we played pretty darn well, followed by a huge win at Nova. That 8-1 streak included 5 wins over ranked teams (Nova twice). It was as good a month as Marquette basketball has had in a long, long time.

Did our alma mater's team play over its head? Seems so, but it was sure fun.

That also might be true. But did we have "no right to lose" to Butler and DePaul?

Probably
Title: Re: 22-23 W-L Predictions
Post by: Goose on September 29, 2022, 05:35:11 PM
It is very hard to play every game like it is the last game of the season, especially when you are not a complete roster. Imo, it was in large part of playing two months of basketball better than expected based off of effort.

All I know, last years team really provided a ton of excitement during the dead of winter and I loved it. It would have been great to finish stronger but it does not diminish an exciting run of basketball.

My expectations are much higher going into this season over the same time last year. Time to deliver for a season, not just a great run.
Title: Re: 22-23 W-L Predictions
Post by: MU82 on September 29, 2022, 11:34:46 PM
We had a great, enjoyable run in 2018-19, too. We were 21-2 over a 3-month stretch and ascended into the national top 10. We had an All-American player, and some incredible wins, especially the one over Creighton when Sam's shot tied it. We don't have to rehash how it all ended. I'm just saying that we did have an exciting run that year, too.

I do believe last season was far more surprising. We were expected to be pretty good in 2018-19, but not many outside of very optimistic MU fans expected much going into Shaka's first season. Job well done!

I agree with Goose that we shouldn't be lowering our expectations now. We have a large percentage of last year's team back, multiple reports say that many of those players have improved a lot, we have a couple of interesting newcomers, there's a system that is firmly in place, and we have a proven winner of a coach who knows how to communicate with young athletes. I'll be disappointed if we take a step backward, and I don't think we will.
Title: Re: 22-23 W-L Predictions
Post by: The Equalizer on September 30, 2022, 02:51:00 PM
I think the bigger problem with your assertion is that you can't look at changes in margin of victory and declare that the difference was entirely because one coach or the other was better at making adjustments.

I never said changes in margin of victory were entirely because of coaching adjustments.

There's a lot of factors that go into winning a basketball game, not just coaching adjustments.

But certainly, you would agree that at least some of the difference can be attributed to the relative coaching adjustments made by the two coaches, which, by the way, was the topic discussed here.

Title: Re: 22-23 W-L Predictions
Post by: TAMU, the Wizard of MU Basketball on September 30, 2022, 03:23:18 PM
I never said changes in margin of victory were entirely because of coaching adjustments.

I mean, you introduced your post by saying you were going to look at which coaches "did a good job and which didn't" in making adjustments. Then the only factor you looked at was change in margin of victory from the first time we played a team to the second time we played them. Then you concluded by saying that Shaka was worse than 4 coaches and better than 4 coaches. The only way you can come to that conclusion is if you ignore all other factors that could have resulted in a change to the margin of victory.

Simply put, if other teams study us and make adjustments in order to turn a loss into a win, we have an equal opportunity to do the same.  You have to look at which coaches did a good job and which didn't.

So if you were to compare Shaka's adjustment-making ability based on last season, he was worse than Cooley, Stubblefield, Ewing, and McDermott, on par with Hurley, and better than Steele, Jordan, Wright, and Willard.

But certainly, you would agree that at least some of the difference can be attributed to the relative coaching adjustments made by the two coaches, which, by the way, was the topic discussed here.

Sure. But that doesn't mean you can say "we lost to team X by 1 more point than we did in the first game, ergo Coach of Team X is better at making adjustments than Shaka"
Title: Re: 22-23 W-L Predictions
Post by: bilsu on September 30, 2022, 09:42:20 PM
I'm not sure it's the comforting comment it's being made out to be.

Simply put, if other teams study us and make adjustments in order to turn a loss into a win, we have an equal opportunity to do the same.  You have to look at which coaches did a good job and which didn't.

We played St. Johns only once, so they're not included.  Four teams wound up performing better in the 2nd (or 3rd) matchup against MU.  2 of them turning losses into wins (DePaul and Providence), one narrowing the margin of loss (Georgetown), and one increasing their margin of victory (Creighton). 

Georgetown  +28, +11, 17 point improvement made by Ewing compared to the previous meeting
DePaul +11, -11, 22 point improvement by Stubblefield
Providence +32, -2 34 point improvement by Cooley
2nd to 3rd Creighton -1, -11 10 point improvement by McDermott

The 1st Creighton game was a 6 point loss in 2OT, and the 2nd game was a 1 point loss in regulation.  I don't know whether to credit that as a 1 point improvement for McDermott or a 5 point improvement for Shaka, so I'm not including it.

One team we managed to have equal margin in both games--UConn. 
UConn -8, -8

Three games resulted in a better performance for Marquette in the second matchup increasing margin over Villanova by 7, Seton Hall by 9, turning an 11 point loss to Xavier into an 11 point win, and turning a six point loss at Butler into a 9 point win.
Xavier -11, +11 22 point improvement by Shaka
Villanova +3, +10 7 point improvement by Shaka
Seton Hall +1, +10 9 point improvement by Shaka
Butler -6, +9, 15 point improvement by Shaka


So if you were to compare Shaka's adjustment-making ability based on last season, he was worse than Cooley, Stubblefield, Ewing, and McDermott, on par with Hurley, and better than Steele, Jordan, Wright, and Willard.

The bad news: all four coaches who Shaka bettered at making adjustments last season have left the league.

And before someone makes the "small sample size" argument, keep in mind that everyone who made the same "don't worry, other teams just did a better job of adjusting" argument used the same data.  Right now it's just for fun.  In a few years we'll know if Cooley or Stubblefield are consistently better at making adjustments or if it were a one-time fluke.

All four of these teams have new coaches. Two were fired, one left for Maryland and Wright retired.
This does not mean anything, I just thought it was interesting.
Title: Re: 22-23 W-L Predictions
Post by: Newsdreams on October 01, 2022, 10:43:51 AM
All four of these teams have new coaches. Two were fired, one left for Maryland and Wright retired.
This does not mean anything, I just thought it was interesting.
Shaka only beat the easy coaches
Title: Re: 22-23 W-L Predictions
Post by: GoldenEagles03 on November 16, 2022, 09:39:28 PM
Radford - W
Central Michigan - W
@Purdue - L
LIU - W
vs. Mississippi St. - L
vs. Georgia Tech/Utah - W
Chicago St.- W
Baylor - L
Wisconsin - W
North Carolina Central - W
@Notre Dame - L
Creighton - W
@Providence - L
Seton Hall - W
@Villanova - L
@St. John's - W
Georgetown - W
UConn - W
@Xavier - L
Providence - W
@Seton Hall - L
@DePaul - L
Villanova - L
Butler - W
@UConn - L
@Georgetown - L
Xavier - L
@Creighton - L
DePaul - W
@Butler - L
St. John's - W

Overall: 16- 15 (18-16 counting BET)
Big East Record: 9-11
Big East Tournament Seed: 8
Big East Tournament Result: Loss in the Semis
Postseason Tournament and Seed: NIT 4
Postseason Result: Loss in 2nd game of NIT

Feelin' pretty good about starting 8 for 8 with these predictions
Title: Re: 22-23 W-L Predictions
Post by: Newsdreams on November 16, 2022, 10:32:10 PM
Feelin' pretty good about starting 8 for 8 with these predictions
Pat yourself on the back
Title: Re: 22-23 W-L Predictions
Post by: GoldenEagles03 on November 16, 2022, 11:07:14 PM
Pat yourself on the back

I picked them to lose every game on the road this season except St. John's.

😂

It could happen 🤷‍♂️

I'd change it if I could. I'm way higher on DePaul and Seton Hall now, than I previously was before the season.
Title: Re: 22-23 W-L Predictions
Post by: The Equalizer on November 17, 2022, 07:41:23 AM
I picked them to lose every game on the road this season except St. John's.

😂

It could happen 🤷‍♂️

I'd change it if I could. I'm way higher on DePaul and Seton Hall now, than I previously was before the season.

I get DePaul, but Seton Hall after last night?

At the start of the year I thought we would sweep Georgetown, get swept by Xavier, UConn and Creighton, and split with everyone else.

The only change I'd make from watching the first few games is that unless Villanova gets Whitmore and Moore back (at a decent level of effectiveness), we could sweep them as well.
Title: Re: 22-23 W-L Predictions
Post by: MU82 on November 17, 2022, 07:43:20 AM
Feelin' pretty good about starting 8 for 8 with these predictions

Congrats on picking us to beat two cupcakes at home and lose to a perennial NCAAT team on the road. That's a real bold 3-0 start. Almost a profile in courage!
Title: Re: 22-23 W-L Predictions
Post by: Shooter McGavin on November 17, 2022, 07:51:48 AM
Congrats on picking us to beat two cupcakes at home and lose to a perennial NCAAT team on the road. That's a real bold 3-0 start. Almost a profile in courage!

Agreed weird thing to brag about.  Reminds me of my in-laws who say their team is undefeated and in first place in their conference when they are 1-0. And they mean it.
Title: Re: 22-23 W-L Predictions
Post by: panda on November 17, 2022, 08:02:34 AM
Feelin' pretty good about starting 8 for 8 with these predictions

L to Baylor and W to Chicago state. Really going out on a limb there.
Title: Re: 22-23 W-L Predictions
Post by: lawdog77 on November 17, 2022, 08:19:52 AM
he's a real Dimetrios Georgios Synodinos
Title: Re: 22-23 W-L Predictions
Post by: Uncle Rico on November 17, 2022, 08:34:06 AM
Agreed weird thing to brag about.  Reminds me of my in-laws who say their team is undefeated and in first place in their conference when they are 1-0. And they mean it.

Your in-laws must be Viking fans
Title: Re: 22-23 W-L Predictions
Post by: GoldenEagles03 on November 17, 2022, 09:50:21 AM
I get DePaul, but Seton Hall after last night?

At the start of the year I thought we would sweep Georgetown, get swept by Xavier, UConn and Creighton, and split with everyone else.

The only change I'd make from watching the first few games is that unless Villanova gets Whitmore and Moore back (at a decent level of effectiveness), we could sweep them as well.

Seton Hall's roster construction is a lot stronger than anticipated. A lot of talent there.

It looks like it might be

1. Creighton
2. UConn
3-11. Everybody else