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Title: My all-diminutive MU fab 5
Post by: MuggsyB on August 16, 2022, 07:10:36 PM
6'0 and under powerhouses:

Meminger
Miller
Hutchins
Rowsey
Howard

Title: Re: My all-diminutive MU fab 5
Post by: 4everwarriors on August 16, 2022, 07:20:37 PM
Pretty sure Lisa Dooley and Gail Pudvan were under 6'0 ft., aina?



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Title: Re: My all-diminutive MU fab 5
Post by: MuggsyB on August 16, 2022, 07:24:20 PM
Pretty sure Lisa Dooley and Gail Pudvan were under 6'0 ft., aina?



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#freeziggy2022

Who?

Have rocket and ziggy been banned for some reason? 
Title: Re: My all-diminutive MU fab 5
Post by: tower912 on August 16, 2022, 07:25:01 PM
70's era cheerleaders

And, yes.
Title: Re: My all-diminutive MU fab 5
Post by: We R Final Four on August 16, 2022, 07:26:10 PM
Pretty sure Lisa Dooley and Gail Pudvan were under 6'0 ft., aina?



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#freeziggy2022
Haha—well done.
Title: Re: My all-diminutive MU fab 5
Post by: MuggsyB on August 16, 2022, 07:26:55 PM
70's era cheerleaders

And, yes.

Am I missing any additional badass sub 6 footers?
Title: Re: My all-diminutive MU fab 5
Post by: Newsdreams on August 16, 2022, 07:28:37 PM
Am I missing any additional badass sub 6 footers?
Me
Title: Re: My all-diminutive MU fab 5
Post by: tower912 on August 16, 2022, 07:29:20 PM
Mandy Johnson.
Title: Re: My all-diminutive MU fab 5
Post by: We R Final Four on August 16, 2022, 07:29:37 PM
Am I missing any additional badass sub 6 footers?
Cheerleaders? Probably.
Title: Re: My all-diminutive MU fab 5
Post by: TAMU, the Wizard of MU Basketball on August 16, 2022, 07:29:44 PM
First Team:
Dean Meminger
Markus Howard
Dominic James
Tony Miller
Aaron Hutchins

2nd Team:
Andrew Rowsey
Cordell Henry
Mo Acker
David Cubillan
Mandy Johnson
Title: Re: My all-diminutive MU fab 5
Post by: MuggsyB on August 16, 2022, 07:31:13 PM
First Team:
Dean Meminger
Markus Howard
Dominic James
Tony Miller
Aaron Hutchins

2nd Team:


Andrew Rowsey
Cordell Henry
Mo Acker
David Cubillan
Mandy Johnson

Holy Hell.  I totally forgot about Dominic.  Inexcusable.  We've had a number of cool little guys.
Title: Re: My all-diminutive MU fab 5
Post by: MuggsyB on August 16, 2022, 07:38:00 PM
Dominic had a legit '43 btw.
Title: Re: My all-diminutive MU fab 5
Post by: MuggsyB on August 16, 2022, 07:40:07 PM
Could any of these other guys dunk?  I was just curious.
Title: Re: My all-diminutive MU fab 5
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on August 16, 2022, 07:47:40 PM
Me

Technically, 5 and under.
Title: Re: My all-diminutive MU fab 5
Post by: BCHoopster on August 16, 2022, 07:48:50 PM
Menninger by far, Al thought the Alcindor rule hurt Menninger more than the big guy
Title: Re: My all-diminutive MU fab 5
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on August 16, 2022, 07:51:01 PM
First Team:
Dean Meminger
Markus Howard
Dominic James
Tony Miller
Aaron Hutchins

2nd Team:
Andrew Rowsey
Cordell Henry
Mo Acker
David Cubillan
Mandy Johnson

Not a bust among them.  Adding Sean Jones.
Title: Re: My all-diminutive MU fab 5
Post by: Newsdreams on August 16, 2022, 07:56:28 PM
Could any of these other guys dunk?  I was just curious.
Ners could
Title: Re: My all-diminutive MU fab 5
Post by: Newsdreams on August 16, 2022, 07:57:46 PM
Technically, 5 and under.
  >:(




 ;D
Title: Re: My all-diminutive MU fab 5
Post by: TAMU, the Wizard of MU Basketball on August 16, 2022, 08:00:58 PM
Could any of these other guys dunk?  I was just curious.

Dom James could absolutely dunk
Title: Re: My all-diminutive MU fab 5
Post by: MuggsyB on August 16, 2022, 08:03:25 PM
Dom James could absolutely dunk

I meant the other guys.  I'll admit I was about 2 inches from touching the rim in my prime.  And I worked hard to increase my vert.  :(
Title: Re: My all-diminutive MU fab 5
Post by: wadesworld on August 16, 2022, 08:22:45 PM
Ners. And boy could he ever dunk.
Title: Re: My all-diminutive MU fab 5
Post by: TAMU, the Wizard of MU Basketball on August 16, 2022, 08:49:14 PM
I meant the other guys.  I'll admit I was about 2 inches from touching the rim in my prime.  And I worked hard to increase my vert.  :(

I missed the "other" in your post. I saw Markus dunk in practice once. I imagine some of the others could but I can't remember any of them doing it in a game
Title: Re: My all-diminutive MU fab 5
Post by: real chili 83 on August 16, 2022, 08:51:53 PM
Dunking at the rec center counts, eh?
Title: Re: My all-diminutive MU fab 5
Post by: The Thing on August 16, 2022, 08:58:19 PM
Does dunking a tennis ball count? Because if so I was a badass dunker.
Title: Re: My all-diminutive MU fab 5
Post by: Elonsmusk on August 16, 2022, 08:58:26 PM
Ners. And boy could he ever dunk.

Thanks Wades.  Yes I could.  Pretty much anything you wanted from tomahawks to 360s.  However, I'm too tall at 6'2" and of course Rec League only.  But I appreciate the compliment.

Now another short guy who could fly during my time at MU was the walk-on, Mark Harris
Title: Re: My all-diminutive MU fab 5
Post by: MuggsyB on August 16, 2022, 09:00:58 PM
I missed the "other" in your post. I saw Markus dunk in practice once. I imagine some of the others could but I can't remember any of them doing it in a game

I believe Spud had a '48 and Nate Robinson  had a '45.  Muggsy had a '44 but couldn't palm the ball.  Mannigault had a '50 and was 6'1 at best.
Title: Re: My all-diminutive MU fab 5
Post by: Dickthedribbler on August 16, 2022, 09:21:41 PM
Menninger by far, Al thought the Alcindor rule hurt Menninger more than the big guy
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Meminger.

Title: Re: My all-diminutive MU fab 5
Post by: Gato78 on August 16, 2022, 09:26:19 PM
I would not call The Dream diminutive. He was nothing like the others mentioned.His game was at the rim and he didn’t out jump people. He was just crafty and quick.
Title: Re: My all-diminutive MU fab 5
Post by: MuggsyB on August 16, 2022, 10:52:25 PM
I would not call The Dream diminutive. He was nothing like the others mentioned.His game was at the rim and he didn’t out jump people. He was just crafty and quick.

How are you and Mrs. Gato doing?  He's listed at 6'0 which is my criteria. 
Title: Re: My all-diminutive MU fab 5
Post by: willie warrior on August 17, 2022, 05:26:15 AM
Holy Hell.  I totally forgot about Dominic.  Inexcusable.  We've had a number of cool little guys.
Dont forget Artie Green
Title: Re: My all-diminutive MU fab 5
Post by: TAMU, the Wizard of MU Basketball on August 17, 2022, 06:19:39 AM
Dont forget Artie Green

Just checked,  Mr. Green was 6'1" so he misses MuggsyBs 6'0" cutoff
Title: Re: My all-diminutive MU fab 5
Post by: Newsdreams on August 17, 2022, 06:39:00 AM
Just checked,  Mr. Green was 6'1" so he misses MuggsyBs 6'0" cutoff
Well if 6' Butch could dunk.
Title: Re: My all-diminutive MU fab 5
Post by: romey on August 17, 2022, 08:27:24 AM
First Team:
Dean Meminger
Markus Howard
Dominic James
Tony Miller
Aaron Hutchins

2nd Team:
Andrew Rowsey
Cordell Henry
Mo Acker
David Cubillan
Mandy Johnson
Pretty sure Gary Rosenberger could conntribute.
Title: Re: My all-diminutive MU fab 5
Post by: MuggsyB on August 17, 2022, 08:44:08 AM
Butch Lee was only 6'0??  Whooops!

I guess we have to start over.
Title: Re: My all-diminutive MU fab 5
Post by: wadesworld on August 17, 2022, 08:50:50 AM
Thanks Wades.  Yes I could.  Pretty much anything you wanted from tomahawks to 360s.  However, I'm too tall at 6'2" and of course Rec League only.  But I appreciate the compliment.

Now another short guy who could fly during my time at MU was the walk-on, Mark Harris

SHEESH!  Thanks for the clarification.
Title: Re: My all-diminutive MU fab 5
Post by: TAMU, the Wizard of MU Basketball on August 17, 2022, 08:57:08 AM
Butch Lee was only 6'0??  Whooops!

I guess we have to start over.

Butch Lee was listed as 6'1" at Marquette but he was listed at 6'0" as a pro.
Title: Re: My all-diminutive MU fab 5
Post by: TAMU, the Wizard of MU Basketball on August 17, 2022, 08:58:49 AM
Pretty sure Gary Rosenberger could conntribute.

I'll have to take your word for it. I never saw him play and his career numbers don't jump off the page: 4.7 ppg, 1.0 rpg, 1.1 apg. Though I don't know how accurate the old record books are.
Title: Re: My all-diminutive MU fab 5
Post by: WithoutBias on August 17, 2022, 09:08:04 AM
I'll have to take your word for it. I never saw him play and his career numbers don't jump off the page: 4.7 ppg, 1.0 rpg, 1.1 apg. Though I don't know how accurate the old record books are.

Meaningless stats.  KenPom efficiency is what tells the real story.
Title: Re: My all-diminutive MU fab 5
Post by: Uncle Rico on August 17, 2022, 09:19:01 AM
Meaningless stats.  KenPom efficiency is what tells the real story.

Sadly, we don’t have that information from that era.  We’ll have to rely on the Joe Beer Gut stats
Title: Re: My all-diminutive MU fab 5
Post by: MuggsyB on August 17, 2022, 09:22:05 AM
Butch Lee was listed as 6'1" at Marquette but he was listed at 6'0" as a pro.

Okay.  Ty for getting the facts here.  My cutoff is non-negotiable.  :)
Title: Re: My all-diminutive MU fab 5
Post by: Sultan Sultanberger on August 17, 2022, 09:24:32 AM
Sadly, we don’t have that information from that era.  We’ll have to rely on the Joe Beer Gut stats

Written in cuneiform on old clay tablets.
Title: Re: My all-diminutive MU fab 5
Post by: THRILLHO on August 17, 2022, 09:33:47 AM
Could any of these other guys dunk?  I was just curious.
Cordell Henry dunked and also had an epic vertical.
Title: Re: My all-diminutive MU fab 5
Post by: TallTitan34 on August 17, 2022, 09:46:12 AM
Derrick Wilson Dunk: https://twitter.com/MUOverload/status/1479543362969612297?s=20&t=UH-NbR2WmOPeYMTfLAxqQg
Title: Re: My all-diminutive MU fab 5
Post by: wadesworld on August 17, 2022, 09:47:17 AM
Derrick Wilson Dunk: https://twitter.com/MUOverload/status/1479543362969612297?s=20&t=UH-NbR2WmOPeYMTfLAxqQg

How could Scoop forget?  Reminded Ners of himself.
Title: Re: My all-diminutive MU fab 5
Post by: war1980rior on August 17, 2022, 09:55:12 AM
Pretty sure Gary Rosenberger could conntribute.
Rosenberger was well under 6'. He was listed as 6' but was substantially shorter than me (a good 3-4 inches).  I was 6'2" at the time.
Title: Re: My all-diminutive MU fab 5
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on August 17, 2022, 10:33:36 AM
Butch Lee was listed as 6'1" at Marquette but he was listed at 6'0" as a pro.

Diener is listed at 6'1" with a Miller Lite can balanced on his head.
Title: Re: My all-diminutive MU fab 5
Post by: Newsdreams on August 17, 2022, 12:17:47 PM
Butch Lee was only 6'0??  Whooops!

I guess we have to start over.

Yes, don't  know if with / without shoes
 ;D
Title: Re: My all-diminutive MU fab 5
Post by: Newsdreams on August 17, 2022, 12:19:33 PM
Butch Lee was listed as 6'1" at Marquette but he was listed at 6'0" as a pro.
Pretty sure he is barely 6'
Title: Re: My all-diminutive MU fab 5
Post by: Lennys Tap on August 17, 2022, 04:48:26 PM
Pretty sure he is barely 6'

Butch is 65 or 66 years old. If he WAS 6’0” in 1978 he probably IS about 5’10” now.
Title: Re: My all-diminutive MU fab 5
Post by: MuggsyB on August 17, 2022, 07:07:46 PM
Who's our starting all heavy team??  Is it alright if I slot Davante somewhere?  What a shame he lost focus his Sr. year.  I'm pretty sure he got up to 305 lbs. 
Title: Re: My all-diminutive MU fab 5
Post by: BCHoopster on August 17, 2022, 08:16:25 PM
Damon Key right there
Title: Re: My all-diminutive MU fab 5
Post by: Newsdreams on August 17, 2022, 08:44:52 PM
Butch is 65 or 66 years old. If he WAS 6’0” in 1978 he probably IS about 5’10” now.
Can go back 30 yrs standing by him...
Title: Re: My all-diminutive MU fab 5
Post by: LloydsLegs on August 18, 2022, 08:23:37 AM
Me

I guess a sub five footer also is sub six feet.
Title: Re: My all-diminutive MU fab 5
Post by: LloydsLegs on August 18, 2022, 08:24:41 AM
Technically, 5 and under.

My apologies for stepping on your joke, Doc.
Title: Re: My all-diminutive MU fab 5
Post by: tower912 on August 18, 2022, 08:37:25 AM
Gardner
Key
Moore

Beyond that, we had a bunch of guys who were big, but not fat.

Copa.  6'9, 254, got invited to try out for the Cowboys after college.    But  not even slightly overweight.   
Jayce
Kerry Trotter and Pop Sims had round faces but weren't heavy.   Same with Derrick Wilson
Butch seemed like a thick body but wasn't obese. 
Title: Re: My all-diminutive MU fab 5
Post by: 4everwarriors on August 18, 2022, 09:13:23 AM
Due da name, OD ring a bell, hey?




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Title: Re: My all-diminutive MU fab 5
Post by: Dickthedribbler on August 18, 2022, 09:20:04 AM
Due da name, OD ring a bell, hey?





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Yes. No all portly MU Team would be complete without Odell Ball.
Title: Re: My all-diminutive MU fab 5
Post by: MuggsyB on August 18, 2022, 09:30:03 AM
Yes. No all portly MU Team would be complete without Odell Ball.

Was Cadougan in "portly" range?
Title: Re: My all-diminutive MU fab 5
Post by: Dickthedribbler on August 18, 2022, 09:43:06 AM
Was Cadougan in "portly" range?

I would say Junior was "stout". Sounds nicer. ( Before his Senior year, I saw Junior Cadougan score 71 points in a Summer League game at Greenfield H.S. . Prior to that night, I wouldn't have bet that Junior could score 71 points if you left him alone in a gym for 40 minutes).
Title: Re: My all-diminutive MU fab 5
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on August 18, 2022, 09:56:55 AM
My apologies for stepping on your joke, Doc.


It wasn't a joke, just a fact.  ;)
Title: Re: My all-diminutive MU fab 5
Post by: NCMUFan on August 18, 2022, 10:21:44 AM
Maybe next thread is "ALL-played out of position" team.
Guys who did not play their natural position for MU.
Title: Re: My all-diminutive MU fab 5
Post by: MU82 on August 18, 2022, 11:27:09 AM
All Trashed By Scoopers But Became Valuable Contributors Team:

Lockett
Blue
Reinhardt
Anim
O-Max

(I wasn't around these parts long enough ago to know if the likes of Jimmy and Jae were routinely ripped.)
Title: Re: My all-diminutive MU fab 5
Post by: 4everwarriors on August 18, 2022, 11:49:36 AM
All Trashed By Some Scoopers Who Don't Know Stink, Aina?

Vanilla Soft Serve
Sam
Henry
Title: Re: My all-diminutive MU fab 5
Post by: Uncle Rico on August 18, 2022, 11:53:27 AM
All Trashed By Some Scoopers Who Don't Know Stink, Aina?

Vanilla Soft Serve
Sam
Henry

Justin Lewis
Title: Re: My all-diminutive MU fab 5
Post by: Sultan Sultanberger on August 18, 2022, 11:53:58 AM
Justin Lewis

Tom Crean
Title: Re: My all-diminutive MU fab 5
Post by: Spotcheck Billy on August 18, 2022, 01:03:33 PM
All Trashed By Some Scoopers Who Don't Know Stink, Aina?

Vanilla Soft Serve
Sam
Henry

Wut? No #freerocket2022v2 #freeziggy2022??
Title: Re: My all-diminutive MU fab 5
Post by: Lennys Tap on August 18, 2022, 01:23:10 PM


(I wasn't around these parts long enough ago to know if the likes of Jimmy and Jae were routinely ripped.)

Jimmy was trashed for sure. Jae, not that I recall.
Title: Re: My all-diminutive MU fab 5
Post by: Goose on August 18, 2022, 02:31:48 PM
82


Matt Carlino took a lot of abuse early in his time at MU.
Title: Re: My all-diminutive MU fab 5
Post by: MU82 on August 18, 2022, 02:53:29 PM
Jimmy was trashed for sure. Jae, not that I recall.

Thanks for the info.

Matt Carlino took a lot of abuse early in his time at MU.

I don't remember it, but I don't doubt it.

All Trashed By Some Scoopers Who Don't Know Stink, Aina?

Vanilla Soft Serve
Sam
Henry

Sam was pretty much worshipped during his time at Marquette. VSS ... many here were hoping he wouldn't go pro after a year or 2. Very, very few trashed Henry during his fine season at Marquette.

Of course, Markus Howard was trashed far more than any of the above during his time at MU -- including by you, a guy who knows so much stink about basketball that you thought the Bucks shoulda traded Giannis and all of his "smoes" right before the Bucks went on to win the title.
Title: Re: My all-diminutive MU fab 5
Post by: Uncle Rico on August 18, 2022, 03:16:13 PM
Thanks for the info.

I don't remember it, but I don't doubt it.

Sam was pretty much worshipped during his time at Marquette. VSS ... many here were hoping he wouldn't go pro after a year or 2. Very, very few trashed Henry during his fine season at Marquette.

Of course, Markus Howard was trashed far more than any of the above during his time at MU -- including by you, a guy who knows so much stink about basketball that you thought the Bucks shoulda traded Giannis and all of his "smoes" right before the Bucks went on to win the title.

Imagine hating Markus Howard.  Amazing
Title: Re: My all-diminutive MU fab 5
Post by: Herman Cain on August 18, 2022, 05:01:36 PM
82


Matt Carlino took a lot of abuse early in his time at MU.
He was regularly referred to as a Chucker early on until he started hitting lot of threes .
Title: Re: My all-diminutive MU fab 5
Post by: Lennys Tap on August 18, 2022, 05:46:55 PM
82


Matt Carlino took a lot of abuse early in his time at MU.

100% true, Goose.
Title: Re: My all-diminutive MU fab 5
Post by: JWags85 on August 18, 2022, 05:50:42 PM
Jimmy was trashed for sure. Jae, not that I recall.

I love JFB and I loved him at MU, but a good chunk of that trashing was justified for awhile.  He improved greatly into his Jr year but he was super soft.  It was infuriating.  I remember just getting tossed around down low and finishing abysmally inside.  He came back the next year stronger and meaner and the rest is history.
Title: Re: My all-diminutive MU fab 5
Post by: MUUWUWM on August 18, 2022, 06:57:54 PM
I ran into Odell Ball, at the speedway gas station and 92nd Burleigh, about two weeks ago.
I had on a Marquette Warriors cap, and he goes I like that cap!

He proceeds to Identify himself as Odell Ball.
We talked for a little bit, took a selfie with him.
He identified with the warrior logo versus the golden eagle which is why he spoke to me.
Title: Re: My all-diminutive MU fab 5
Post by: MU82 on August 18, 2022, 07:06:49 PM
I ran into Odell Ball, at the speedway gas station and 92nd Burleigh, about two weeks ago.
I had on a Marquette Warriors cap, and he goes I like that cap!

He proceeds to Identify himself as Odell Ball.
We talked for a little bit, took a selfie with him.
He identified with the warrior logo versus the golden eagle which is why he spoke to me.

Odell was the Warriors' center my freshman year. We had a nice team -- Sam Worthen, Bernard Toone, Michael Wilson, Oliver Lee, Robert Byrd, Odell Ball, Artie Green. We had DePaul in trouble in the NCAAT but blew a late lead (and effen DePaul went on to play in the Magic-Bird FF). The next offseason, the only recruit Hank signed was Terrell Schlundt, and the program was on its way downhill.

Odell was an above-average college center back then -- 11 ppg on 55% shooting. I enjoyed watching him play.
Title: Re: My all-diminutive MU fab 5
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on August 18, 2022, 07:49:44 PM
He was regularly referred to as a Chucker early on until he started hitting lot of threes .

To defend this as I agreed, he was taking 30%+ of the shots early on and was NOT at all efficient (chucker). He settled in later and played much better. One of the better senior transfers.

That said, we didn't know then that Wojo wanted PG chuckers.
Title: Re: My all-diminutive MU fab 5
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on August 18, 2022, 08:02:46 PM
All Trashed By Scoopers But Became Valuable Contributors Team:

Lockett
Blue
Reinhardt
Anim
O-Max

(I wasn't around these parts long enough ago to know if the likes of Jimmy and Jae were routinely ripped.)

Derrick Wilson, Jake Thomas
Title: Re: My all-diminutive MU fab 5
Post by: AlienWarrior on August 18, 2022, 08:47:31 PM
Did anyone mention Lloyd Walton?
Title: Re: My all-diminutive MU fab 5
Post by: Newsdreams on August 18, 2022, 09:03:02 PM
All Trashed By Some Scoopers Who Don't Know Stink, Aina?

Vanilla Soft Serve
Sam
Henry
The BS on this one big it is...