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MUScoop => The Superbar => Topic started by: Macallan 18 on August 02, 2022, 10:43:13 AM
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Mykl Novak, a Marquette employee who also runs the postmarq Tumblr, had a post with a map showing the campus changes over the 30 years he has been there.
An interesting read.
https://postmarq.tumblr.com/post/691431978369794048/marquette-university-campus-changes (https://postmarq.tumblr.com/post/691431978369794048/marquette-university-campus-changes)
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Quite the changes. I would like to see (actually it would sadden me) one of these in re: bars.
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Google Earth would have the satellite image changes of the Marquette campus from 1985 to present.
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Google Earth would have the satellite image changes of the Marquette campus from 1985 to present.
One of my favorite sites is https://www.historicaerials.com/viewer Depending on the area, it can have aerials 60-70 years back.
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And yet through all of this, the eyesore that is Lalumiere Hall remains.
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And yet through all of this, the eyesore that is Lalumiere Hall remains.
It's a unique building built during a time where MU wasn't committed to a single look. Some would say it's ugly but I like to think of it like our basketball program...our biggest tradition is we have no tradition.
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I still cannot get over how ugly the Business School is. I was told early on to brace myself for something hideou bc 10-15 million was slashed from the budget and it affected design more than anything. Wow was that right, it is just plain brutal and does nothing to enhance one end of campus that should act as a welcome sign for east bound traffic.
To think it took the place of a shiney new rec center that would have been endless windows of state of the art wellness is really sad. Not to mention the missed opportunity of connecting our Union with our rec center. You only get some many hanging curves, you can't swing & miss like this.
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I still cannot get over how ugly the Business School is. I was told early on to brace myself for something hideou bc 10-15 million was slashed from the budget and it affected design more than anything. Wow was that right, it is just plain brutal and does nothing to enhance one end of campus that should act as a welcome sign for east bound traffic.
To think it took the place of a shiney new rec center that would have been endless windows of state of the art wellness is really sad. Not to mention the missed opportunity of connecting our Union with our rec center. You only get some many hanging curves, you can't swing & miss like this.
Yeah, I am a little shocked by how bland it is. Maybe they didn't want so much glass facing the south, but I would have thought they would have made that a little more impressive.
https://www.marquette.edu/future-of-business/
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I still cannot get over how ugly the Business School is. I was told early on to brace myself for something hideou bc 10-15 million was slashed from the budget and it affected design more than anything. Wow was that right, it is just plain brutal and does nothing to enhance one end of campus that should act as a welcome sign for east bound traffic.
To think it took the place of a shiney new rec center that would have been endless windows of state of the art wellness is really sad. Not to mention the missed opportunity of connecting our Union with our rec center. You only get some many hanging curves, you can't swing & miss like this.
Missing the hanging curve would have been turning down the many millions of dollars donated that came with selecting that spot.
You're not wrong that the rec center would be better placed there but when you write that big of a check you get to make certain demands
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And yet through all of this, the eyesore that is Lalumiere Hall remains.
Humanities and social sciences buildings are easy to maintain (just offices and classrooms), but difficult to replace (lack of donor interest, not much enrollment upside). It's that way on a lot of college campuses.
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Missing the hanging curve would have been turning down the many millions of dollars donated that came with selecting that spot.
You're not wrong that the rec center would be better placed there but when you write that big of a check you get to make certain demands
I get what you're saying but to me the hanging curve was the vacant land in a primetime spot. MU has done a lot of greats thing recently, moving the Jes Res has done wonders for the mall between AMU & Schroeder, the mall between Cobeen & Tower is great too as is the general beautification of Wisconsin Ave. But this is really bad. If they just copied Zilber Hall they would have been much better.
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Missing the hanging curve would have been turning down the many millions of dollars donated that came with selecting that spot.
You're not wrong that the rec center would be better placed there but when you write that big of a check you get to make certain demands
Well...I'll just say there is a little more to the story than that.
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I guess beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Some of the buildings this guy says should be torn down IMO are not so bad and some of the buildings he say are great just might look hideous to some architect 60 years from now.
https://theeaglefreepress.com/?p=1750
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And yet through all of this, the eyesore that is Lalumiere Hall remains.
Best building on campus! Decades ago, I sat across from a very attractive tall woman who four years later would become Ms. Dgies.
42 years later, she's still Ms. Dgies!
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I still cannot get over how ugly the Business School is. I was told early on to brace myself for something hideou bc 10-15 million was slashed from the budget and it affected design more than anything. Wow was that right, it is just plain brutal and does nothing to enhance one end of campus that should act as a welcome sign for east bound traffic.
+1. It looks like some horribly out-of-date building from the 1970's...but I also think Lalumiere is really cool, so what do I know.
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Best building on campus! Decades ago, I sat across from a very attractive tall woman who four years later would become Ms. Dgies.
42 years later, she's still Ms. Dgies!
Loved reading this dgies! One of my brothers met his wife at Marquette. Being the first member of my family to know her well created a close relationship that is still there today. I remember my father asking me about her since my parents knew very little about her at first.
For quite a while, it looked like my Marquette girlfriend would become Mrs. Scoop, but it simply was not meant to be.
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You guys complain too much. You should have see the campus in '65. The new Business building looks fine to me. Lalumiere Hall is so late 60s architecture it is iconic of the time, no different than Johnston or Marquette Hall (the old Science Building when I attended) was in their day and I can remember the bells sitting on the sidewalk when they were installing the carillon in the tower of Marquette hall. I can remember Joan of Arc chapel, Weir Chemistry and Lalumiere Hall being built.
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You guys complain too much. You should have see the campus in '65. The new Business building looks fine to me. Lalumiere Hall is so late 60s architecture it is iconic of the time, no different than Johnston or Marquette Hall (the old Science Building when I attended) was in their day and I can remember the bells sitting on the sidewalk when they were installing the carillon in the tower of Marquette hall. I can remember Joan of Arc chapel, Weir Chemistry and Lalumiere Hall being built.
People complaining on scoop? What world is this?
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Dgies
Great stuff. One of my first encounters with Mrs. Goose at The Gym Bar 39 years ago and now been together for 37 years. 1981 seems like it was yesterday to me, but sadly it was 39 years ago.
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The Beehive is actually still a very functional building on the inside. MU could do some facade work to modernize its appearance.
The Business building is about as bland as it gets, especially for that spot.
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LaLumiere needs something like this? (But not the conversion to a hotel part.)
https://www.nhregister.com/news/article/New-Haven-s-Pirelli-Building-transformed-to-17171927.php
New Haven’s Pirelli Building transformed to Hotel Marcel
Mark Zaretsky
May 15, 2022
Updated: May 16, 2022 1:12 p.m.
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https://www.bostonglobe.com/2022/06/30/lifestyle/new-havens-hotel-marcel-is-brutalist-beauty-net-zero-its-gentle-one-too/
New Haven’s Hotel Marcel is a Brutalist beauty — and at ‘net zero,’ it’s a gentle one, too
By James Sullivan Globe correspondent,Updated June 30, 2022, 11:40 a.m.
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https://nypost.com/2022/05/24/marcel-breuers-pirelli-building-becomes-hotel-in-new-haven/
Marcel Breuer’s Brutalist Pirelli Building becomes luxe hotel in New Haven
By Linda Laban
May 24, 2022 10:57am Updated
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https://www.architecturalrecord.com/articles/15667-a-marcel-breuer-classic-is-reimagined-as-a-net-zeroenergy-hotel
A Marcel Breuer Classic, Reimagined
In New Haven, a Breuer-designed corporate headquarters finds new life as a net zero–energy hotel
May 23, 2022
Izzy Kornblatt
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The Beehive is actually still a very functional building on the inside. MU could do some facade work to modernize its appearance.
The Business building is about as bland as it gets, especially for that spot.
So they should have kept McCormick?
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Best building on campus! Decades ago, I sat across from a very attractive tall woman who four years later would become Ms. Dgies.
42 years later, she's still Ms. Dgies!
One of my first encounters with Mrs. Goose at The Gym Bar 39 years ago and now been together for 37 years. 1981 seems like it was yesterday to me, but sadly it was 39 years ago.
I met my wife in 1988 at the corner of 16th and Wells where The Annex is now.
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I met my wife in 1988 at the corner of 16th and Wells where The Annex is now.
I met my wife at Hoops
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Yeah, I am a little shocked by how bland it is. Maybe they didn't want so much glass facing the south, but I would have thought they would have made that a little more impressive.
https://www.marquette.edu/future-of-business/
Dear God, that building is hideous. Didn't we just tear down a bunch of asbestos ridden uggos like this?
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Dear God, that building is hideous. Didn't we just tear down a bunch of asbestos ridden uggos like this?
I actually wonder if they are doing a disservice showing it from this angle. My guess is that the main entrance is supposed to face AMU. Perhaps they should have placed the camera there.
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I actually wonder if they are doing a disservice showing it from this angle. My guess is that the main entrance is supposed to face AMU. Perhaps they should have placed the camera there.
Okay, but the portion that faces 16th and especially Wisconsin ave is damn near a war crime in modern design.
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Okay, but the portion that faces 16th and especially Wisconsin ave is damn near a war crime in modern design.
So, don't take this the wrong way, but why? I don't know anything about modern design, so what stands out as particularly negative here?
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So, don't take this the wrong way, but why? I don't know anything about modern design, so what stands out as particularly negative here?
The bricked facade screams 60s. Thin windows, first floor overhang, and cement window covers.
It's brutalist style with a modern twist and it doesn't 'work'. That hunk of property is probably the most traveled spot on campus and this was the decision. What a belly flop.
If you scroll down on the main page, you can see what the backside of the building that faces the lawn looks like, and it doesn't seem much better.
(https://www.marquette.edu/future-of-business/img/intro-carousel/coba-interior-3-22.jpg)
It looks like there was a design in mind that, at one point, might attempt echo the Calatrava on the lakefront... the use of the white metal and windows. And that would have been beautiful... Though, I'm not a fan of rectangles. Instead they seemingly plopped a couple of shipping containers made of brick on top. And that thing will sit there for decades as a giant eyesore.
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Roger. I find architecture to be a lot like sportscasters. On the extreme edges of the distribution I notice, but otherwise it just kinda blends in. Give me Ueck in his prime riffing on stealing tubas from marching bands during the World Series, and I get something out of the call. Give me the average C Fox squad for an NFL game and I don't even notice them at all. Give me some dumpster fire like Dakitch and it detracts from the game.
Most buildings are just... buildings to me. This one seems broadly whatever, fine I suppose? I like glass, I like brick, seems fine. I thought Eckstein was good, I like the Calatrava, but this side of hating Lalumire, I tend not be get too excited by buildings one way or the other, I guess.
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Not sure I know what the business school was going for. Todays style is glass curtain wall construction, perhaps with white framing to honor the Caltravva or the 1st Wisconsin Center. None of that is evident in the B School.
Looks like someone was trying to blend in and got nowhere.
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Roger. I find architecture to be a lot like sportscasters. On the extreme edges of the distribution I notice, but otherwise it just kinda blends in. Give me Ueck in his prime riffing on stealing tubas from marching bands during the World Series, and I get something out of the call. Give me the average C Fox squad for an NFL game and I don't even notice them at all. Give me some dumpster fire like Dakitch and it detracts from the game.
Most buildings are just... buildings to me. This one seems broadly whatever, fine I suppose? I like glass, I like brick, seems fine. I thought Eckstein was good, I like the Calatrava, but this side of hating Lalumire, I tend not be get too excited by buildings one way or the other, I guess.
Personally, I think it's a shame to be spending $60 mil on this.
I don't care for Lalumiere, it's a sore thumb.
Eckstein Hall is damn good. It matches many of the other buildings that were built of that time, and the North East corner has those neat little arches in the windows that should remind you of the stained glass windows or the front doors of Gesu. The little details are great.
The Calatrava is a world class building and there is a reason MKE includes it in every bit of marketing it can.
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Also, the business school looks worse in person*.
* it is not done yet but it's really just landscaping at this point.
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The bricked facade screams 60s. Thin windows, first floor overhang, and cement window covers.
It's brutalist style with a modern twist and it doesn't 'work'. That hunk of property is probably the most traveled spot on campus and this was the decision. What a belly flop.
If you scroll down on the main page, you can see what the backside of the building that faces the lawn looks like, and it doesn't seem much better.
(https://www.marquette.edu/future-of-business/img/intro-carousel/coba-interior-3-22.jpg)
It looks like there was a design in mind that, at one point, might attempt echo the Calatrava on the lakefront... the use of the white metal and windows. And that would have been beautiful... Though, I'm not a fan of rectangles. Instead they seemingly plopped a couple of shipping containers made of brick on top. And that thing will sit there for decades as a giant eyesore.
I guess the buildings at the Wharton School of business scream 60s as well. It's what taught inside that counts.
https://www.google.com/search?q=wharton+business+school&tbm=isch&chips=q:wharton+business+school,g_1:campus:8hYufmrdmtY%3D&usg=AI4_-kRz-DHxPnw_kxFTW-gaO5oQTOhXCA&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwia48ug6Kv5AhVxhYkEHWRVAwcQgIoDKAB6BAgqEAk&biw=2152&bih=1162&dpr=1#imgrc=qZQndX0Y3JYubM
As for the Calatrava its nice, but seems so sterile on the inside; too white for me. Also it looks like a schooner that went aground. Whatever floats your boat I guess.
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I still cannot get over how ugly the Business School is. I was told early on to brace myself for something hideou bc 10-15 million was slashed from the budget and it affected design more than anything. Wow was that right, it is just plain brutal and does nothing to enhance one end of campus that should act as a welcome sign for east bound traffic.
To think it took the place of a shiney new rec center that would have been endless windows of state of the art wellness is really sad. Not to mention the missed opportunity of connecting our Union with our rec center. You only get some many hanging curves, you can't swing & miss like this.
Spot on DC, hey?
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I still cannot get over how ugly the Business School is. I was told early on to brace myself for something hideou bc 10-15 million was slashed from the budget and it affected design more than anything. Wow was that right, it is just plain brutal and does nothing to enhance one end of campus that should act as a welcome sign for east bound traffic.
To think it took the place of a shiney new rec center that would have been endless windows of state of the art wellness is really sad. Not to mention the missed opportunity of connecting our Union with our rec center. You only get some many hanging curves, you can't swing & miss like this.
We are Marquette University, not Marquette Health and Wellness LLC.
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Dgies
Great stuff. One of my first encounters with Mrs. Goose at The Gym Bar 39 years ago and now been together for 37 years. 1981 seems like it was yesterday to me, but sadly it was 39 years ago.
Check your math my friend.
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Sir
You have known me longer than that, surprised I was two years off?
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Check your math my friend.
Last two years don’t count… #pandemic
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Frenns
I wish that was my thinking when I posted 39 years, it would have been a good cover.
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Last two years don’t count… #pandemic
Red shirt freshman
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Dr. B
I was a redshirt freshman five years. Chris O’Toule had a shorter career than I had at MU.
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The bricked facade screams 60s. Thin windows, first floor overhang, and cement window covers.
It's brutalist style with a modern twist and it doesn't 'work'. That hunk of property is probably the most traveled spot on campus and this was the decision. What a belly flop.
If you scroll down on the main page, you can see what the backside of the building that faces the lawn looks like, and it doesn't seem much better.
(https://www.marquette.edu/future-of-business/img/intro-carousel/coba-interior-3-22.jpg)
It looks like there was a design in mind that, at one point, might attempt echo the Calatrava on the lakefront... the use of the white metal and windows. And that would have been beautiful... Though, I'm not a fan of rectangles. Instead they seemingly plopped a couple of shipping containers made of brick on top. And that thing will sit there for decades as a giant eyesore.
Looking at the picture, the guy in the lower right looks to be doing us all a favor of looking at the building by dropping off his homemade bomb in a backpack
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Dr. B
I was a redshirt freshman five years. Chris O’Toule had a shorter career compared to me.
Aren't we all (in the same boat)?
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I met my wife in 1988 at the corner of 16th and Wells where The Annex is now.
Fall of 1989 I was introduced to my future wife in the elevator of Schroeder heading to a weekend breakfast at Cobeen. We were being set up for an SYR to Comedy Sportz. Just celebrated our 28th anniversary a few weeks ago.
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Lalumiere has a special place in my heart. It's the first MU classroom building I ever entered, and where a very hungover version of myself tanked the German AP exam during freshman orientation.
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I guess the buildings at the Wharton School of business scream 60s as well. It's what taught inside that counts.
https://www.google.com/search?q=wharton+business+school&tbm=isch&chips=q:wharton+business+school,g_1:campus:8hYufmrdmtY%3D&usg=AI4_-kRz-DHxPnw_kxFTW-gaO5oQTOhXCA&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwia48ug6Kv5AhVxhYkEHWRVAwcQgIoDKAB6BAgqEAk&biw=2152&bih=1162&dpr=1#imgrc=qZQndX0Y3JYubM
As for the Calatrava its nice, but seems so sterile on the inside; too white for me. Also it looks like a schooner that went aground. Whatever floats your boat I guess.
Of course what it taught inside is what matters, but you're implying we have to have one or the other. Why not both?
I'm not sure which Wharton building you were trying to present, but the ones that I have seen don't look like what we have in construction.
And yes, whatever floats your boat, and all art is subjective... but you are in a distinct minority of people who don't seem to like the Calatrava.
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We are Marquette University, not Marquette Health and Wellness LLC.
🙄🙄🙄🙄
Ask students what they want and a health and wellness center would be near the top of the list.
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🙄🙄🙄🙄
Ask students what they want and a health and wellness center would be near the top of the list.
Exactly and a Health + Wellness Center can look a lot more dynamic than an all brick "front" hiding a bunch of classrooms.
I've brought up the Kentucky example before. It's connected to their Union and from the streets you see 2 story tall windows showing off endless activity including a huge jumbo tron inside where TV is displayed. It looks active, dynamic and inviting. Much more of a student hub than one single college.
https://www.google.com/maps/@38.0409988,-84.5033612,3a,90y,200.4h,92.09t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sCTu8uh5OFnRVm3Ufzz0fog!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fpanoid%3DCTu8uh5OFnRVm3Ufzz0fog%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D51.343964%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i16384!8i8192 (https://www.google.com/maps/@38.0409988,-84.5033612,3a,90y,200.4h,92.09t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sCTu8uh5OFnRVm3Ufzz0fog!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fpanoid%3DCTu8uh5OFnRVm3Ufzz0fog%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D51.343964%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i16384!8i8192)
Also I apologize for the ridiculous google map paste. I know how to screen grab a google map image but I still can't figure out how to insert a pic into scoop.
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Would there be much value in it being connected to MU’s Union? At least when I was there, it wasn’t much of a destination and was used to get out of the cold on the walk back to my apartment more than anything.
Interesting to hear the design budget was significantly reduced due to fundraising. I know there was a bit of a reputation of Lovell announcing plans a little early and having to walk things back when the money wouldn’t come. I thought with recent announcements, that wasn’t as much of an issue.
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Exactly and a Health + Wellness Center can look a lot more dynamic than an all brick "front" hiding a bunch of classrooms.
I've brought up the Kentucky example before. It's connected to their Union and from the streets you see 2 story tall windows showing off endless activity including a huge jumbo tron inside where TV is displayed. It looks active, dynamic and inviting. Much more of a student hub than one single college.
https://www.google.com/maps/@38.0409988,-84.5033612,3a,90y,200.4h,92.09t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sCTu8uh5OFnRVm3Ufzz0fog!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fpanoid%3DCTu8uh5OFnRVm3Ufzz0fog%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D51.343964%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i16384!8i8192 (https://www.google.com/maps/@38.0409988,-84.5033612,3a,90y,200.4h,92.09t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sCTu8uh5OFnRVm3Ufzz0fog!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fpanoid%3DCTu8uh5OFnRVm3Ufzz0fog%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D51.343964%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i16384!8i8192)
Also I apologize for the ridiculous google map paste. I know how to screen grab a google map image but I still can't figure out how to insert a pic into scoop.
I think this is it.
(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/TFr5lQPApyc/maxresdefault.jpg)
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Yes, It's their "Old Gym" gutted and rehabbed as a student fitness center. Thanks!
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Haven't been to campus in a while. What is the 707 building used for? Thanks.
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Haven't been to campus in a while. What is the 707 building used for? Thanks.
https://www.marquette.edu/707-hub/
The 707 Hub is where ideas are shared, stretched, challenged and realized. Part of the Office of Research and Innovation, the 707 Hub is a space designed to foster collaboration and innovation. Because anyone can be innovative, the 707 Hub is open to all students, and we encourage a cross-disciplinary approach to solving problems. Because great ideas need to be heard, the 707 Hub offers unique spaces for meetings, presentations and events. Here, you’ll find inspiration, partnerships and the knowledge to Be The Difference.
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Lalumiere has a special place in my heart. It's the first MU classroom building I ever entered, and where a very hungover version of myself tanked the German AP exam during freshman orientation.
four Spanish classes and two Spanish labs, Intro to Biological Anthropology (my worst grades at MU) were in Lalumiere. Though my last exam took place in there. I finished and lit up a cigar in the classroom as I walked out.
Fall of 1989 I was introduced to my future wife in the elevator of Schroeder heading to a weekend breakfast at Cobeen. We were being set up for an SYR to Comedy Sportz. Just celebrated our 28th anniversary a few weeks ago.
I met my future wife at a party at my Campus Town apartment. She was living in McCormick. This September is 25 years since that day we met.