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MUScoop => The Superbar => Topic started by: MU82 on July 25, 2022, 06:48:32 PM
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According to a new study by the Census Bureau and Harvard that was released today ...
By age 26, more than two-thirds of young adults in the U.S. lived in the same area where they grew up ... 80% had moved less than 100 miles away ... and 90% resided less than 500 miles away.
https://apnews.com/article/census-2020-young-adult-migration-5b7c7f534278cb15cdc699eb132f0a78
A snippet from the study:
Three quarters of people who grew up in the Chicago area stayed there. Rockford was the top destination for people who moved away and stayed in Illinois but only represented less than 1% of the young adults from Chicago.
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According to a new study by the Census Bureau and Harvard that was released today ...
By age 26, more than two-thirds of young adults in the U.S. lived in the same area where they grew up ... 80% had moved less than 100 miles away ... and 90% resided less than 500 miles away.
https://apnews.com/article/census-2020-young-adult-migration-5b7c7f534278cb15cdc699eb132f0a78
A snippet from the study:
Three quarters of people who grew up in the Chicago area stayed there. Rockford was the top destination for people who moved away and stayed in Illinois but only represented less than 1% of the young adults from Chicago.
I grew up in a small town outside of Omaha. From there to the places I have lived after leaving:
-Milwaukee - 538 miles
-Miami - 1,687 miles
-Atlanta - 1,022 miles
Unlikely I ever live anywhere closer than where I am now.
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I grew up in a small town outside of Omaha. From there to the places I have lived after leaving:
-Milwaukee - 538 miles
-Miami - 1,687 miles
-Atlanta - 1,022 miles
Unlikely I ever live anywhere closer than where I am now.
Nice. Three pretty fun areas IMHO.
I grew up in Connecticut, between Bridgeport and New Haven, about a mile from the Long Island Sound. Moved to Milwaukee (947 miles) for college and only went back for vacations. At about the same time I moved to Minneapolis (1264 miles) when I was 24 years old, my parents moved to Florida. I think I've only been back to Connecticut 4 or 5 times since, as my brothers moved away, too. Also lived in Madison (1,000 miles), Chicago (860 miles) and now Charlotte (700 miles).
I actually liked growing up in Connecticut and really miss the ocean. But as many of us know, life can take a person in all kinds of directions.
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Left hometown after high school, for 28 years I lived with 250 miles of my hometown. Past 5 years, it's been 1,870 miles away. I don't think I will get any closer now..
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Now, I live 12 miles from where I grew up.
But in the interim, I went to college (Milwaukee) 1203 miles away, went home, then moved to the Los Angeles area, 2300 miles, then Hawaii 4850 miles away, before returning home. Throw in a 6 month gig in Anchorage, 3950 miles between my move from SoCal to Hawaii.
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About 45 years ago, my then girlfriend and I were talking about futures and where we wanted to go after our Marquette graduation.
"So where do you want to live," she asked.
"I want to go home," I said....
"Back to Nashville," was her questioning response.
"Oh hell no," I said. "I want to go back to Chicago..."
To say the least she was shocked, until I explained my fascination with the city and the fact we lived there when I was a very small child.
40 years ago, we made it back, after we had been married a few years. In the next few weeks, we will sell our house here and have but a home on Florida's Treasure Coast. It's rather hard to leave because, despite the winters, our careers flourished, we raised our family here and we have been in the same home for 28 years. We did it with no family here (all had left by the time we got here) and friends scattered all over everywhere.
I'll concede I don't think she was fully comfortable here. But Chicago's economic opportunity was unparalleled and was one of three US Cities where our careers would be accommodated.
I get why people come home -- its something that pulls them back over and over again. You gotta feel comfortable where you live and Chicago has truly been home for me. I've had great offers to move to both coasts and the answer always was, "no." We expect the Treasure Coast will be the same.
Candidly, my hope is that college couple today having the same conversation we did 45 years ago will have an economic, social and political climate that's that enough for them to say, as we ultimately did, Choose Chicago!
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For the last 31 years I've lived approximately 1,425 miles from where I grew up. Just before my senior year of high school my parents and I moved about 6,600 miles. Marquette was about 1,125 miles from where I grew up. On the other extreme, we live just under three miles from my wife's childhood home.
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I grew up in multiple places but I consider Milwaukee to be my hometown since that's where I spent the first 9 years of my life. Since then I have lived:
Seattle, WA (2,016 miles)
St. Paul, MN (332 miles)
Milwaukee, WI (0 miles)
Grand Rapids, MI (269 miles)
Salt Lake City, UT (1,441 miles)
College Station, TX (1,132 miles)
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I grew up in the Chicago suburb of Riverside and have lived in Virginia since I was 30. Richmond and where I live now in West central VA is 800+ miles away. I fell in love with Richmond and found it to be just the right size to become completely familiar with all its nooks and crannies. Today's country living suits me though. Being within fairly easy driving distance to DC allows me to go on an annual Marquette game.
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Grew up in Kenosha.
Upon Marquette graduation lived in the Twin Cities, MN metro, Detroit metro and now Piedmont area of North Carolina.
I appreciate the Wisconsin upbringing and Marquette education, but being in NC 20+ years, and marrying a woman from NC, this is now home.
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I appreciate those who have responded. It's interesting to hear where people went after "growing up," and comparing that to the results of the Census Bureau/Harvard findings.
I wouldn't be surprised if college graduates, in general, are more likely to end up farther from "home" -- especially those who attended a college that wasn't especially close to where they grew up.
I've enjoyed each of the places I've lived as an adult -- Milwaukee, Madison, Minneapolis, Chicago and Charlotte. Each had pluses and minuses, as does every area.
dgies:
I loved living on Chicago's North Side so much, and talked about it so positively during most of our 16 years there, that my wife used to joke that I should have been on the Chamber of Commerce. But eventually, we were looking for a break from the weather, the traffic and the in-your-face politics, and we've liked Charlotte too. We still have a son, DIL and grandkids who live in Chicago, though, so it's possible we could move back someday ... and I think I'd love it again. I told my wife that I'd only agree to such a move if we wintered in AZ, Fla, Hawaii or somewhere else I could display my mediocre golf game in January!
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I currently live 30 miles away from where I grew up. I briefly lived 1,248 miles away from my childhood home, but I knew that was going to be short term (about 3 summer months). We might end up leaving after I retire, but a lot will come down to price and climate. We've discussed Arizona, Oregon, Canada, and Germany all as options.
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Born in Chicago, family moved to Akron, Oh, Philly, DC, and then settled in the Detroit area when I was 10. Went to MU and then lived in Holland, MI for 10 months before moving to Chicago for 4 years. Moved back to Detroit 8 years ago and live probably 7 miles from my childhood home…which my parents moved out of to retire on the lake house in western Michigan
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I live 50 miles from where I spent most of my childhood.
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5.91 miles from where I grew up.
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Born near Pittsburgh, First 10 years in Beverly(Chicago), moved to da Region (Northern Indiana) through Highschool. After Marquette, one year travelling everywhere. Law School in Indianapolis, and aside from a 6 month stint in Scottsdale, lived in Indy for the past 30 years (140 miles from what I consider home).
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I think a TON is dependent on the years between 18 and 25. If you're still living where you grew up, for a significant portion of time during those years, chances are you won't leave.
I grew up in a nice Milwaukee burb at the kind of HS with 98% college admittance and flinging kids to schools all across the country. But it was interesting to see on FB the number of kids who flamed out at whatever school they were at and ended back at a school in the Milwaukee area, or transferred back from home sickness or whatnot. Those kids, or those that moved back for a job in Milwaukee after, all inevitably end up staying. I can only recall 2-3 people Ive ran into or seen who moved elsewhere after college and ended up back here.
As for me, I'm the pseudo exception. Born in Indy, but my Milwaukee and Sheboygan born parents brought me back to the MKE burbs before I turned 3. Lived in the burbs till I went to college. Then I moved to Oxford, OH for school (305 miles), then to Chicago after graduation for a decade or so (95 miles). Then split my time between MKE and NYC (911 miles) until Covid.
I made a mid-career change to work with my Father in the business he started when I was a teen, so I ended up in the burbs intermittently. But my parents have moved to Florida and the business will follow so I will be migrating that direction in the next 18 months or so. If not for the unexpected career change and COVID, there's no chance I would have ended up back in Milwaukee. I consider Chicago more of my adult home than Milwaukee and, even after exploring a bit since Ive been back, I know and can speak to Chicago far better than I can Milwaukee.
Amusingly, my first child, arriving in September, will like me have a birth certificate reflecting a place he never really knew. While he will have more of a connection to Milwaukee, due to extended family and family history, than I do to Indy, I don't imagine he will live in Wisconsin for any longer than I did in the Hoosier state.
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I think a TON is dependent on the years between 18 and 25. If you're still living where you grew up, for a significant portion of time during those years, chances are you won't leave.
I grew up in a nice Milwaukee burb at the kind of HS with 98% college admittance and flinging kids to schools all across the country. But it was interesting to see on FB the number of kids who flamed out at whatever school they were at and ended back at a school in the Milwaukee area, or transferred back from home sickness or whatnot. Those kids, or those that moved back for a job in Milwaukee after, all inevitably end up staying. I can only recall 2-3 people Ive ran into or seen who moved elsewhere after college and ended up back here.
As for me, I'm the pseudo exception. Born in Indy, but my Milwaukee and Sheboygan born parents brought me back to the MKE burbs before I turned 3. Lived in the burbs till I went to college. Then I moved to Oxford, OH for school (305 miles), then to Chicago after graduation for a decade or so (95 miles). Then split my time between MKE and NYC (911 miles) until Covid.
I made a mid-career change to work with my Father in the business he started when I was a teen, so I ended up in the burbs intermittently. But my parents have moved to Florida and the business will follow so I will be migrating that direction in the next 18 months or so. If not for the unexpected career change and COVID, there's no chance I would have ended up back in Milwaukee. I consider Chicago more of my adult home than Milwaukee and, even after exploring a bit since Ive been back, I know and can speak to Chicago far better than I can Milwaukee.
Amusingly, my first child, arriving in September, will like me have a birth certificate reflecting a place he never really knew. While he will have more of a connection to Milwaukee, due to extended family and family history, than I do to Indy, I don't imagine he will live in Wisconsin for any longer than I did in the Hoosier state.
That's an interesting loop, Wags. So if I'm reading this right, you think your family's next stop is Florida? What part?
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Those years are definitely formative in that regard. I've wondered where I might be had I went with my parents when they asked me to come with them to Florida when I was 21, or where my wife might be if she had gone to Purdue, near where her grandmother lived instead of staying close to home and starting school at Parkside.
As much as I am content where we are, I plan to encourage my kids to get out a bit and spread their wings more.
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Born and raised in Connecticut.
Spent four years in Milwaukee at Marquette.
Returned to Connecticut after graduation.
I was interested in staying in Milwaukee/Chicago area after graduation, but 1991 being a crappy year to graduate as most engineers graduating had no jobs lined up, the grocery store offering a return to what had been my summer job & winter break job for the previous six years at least meant employment. They said I could stay as long as wanted which turned out to be another 9-10 months before landing my first engineering job.
No idea what the future will bring, but Connecticut was a great place to grow up and I love being 15 minutes from the beach and 1.5 hour train ride to NYC among other things. The wife and I do want to down size and the pandemic didn't really help the timeline.
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For the my entire 59 years on the planet I have lived within ten miles of where I was born. Spent my first seven years living three miles west of MU on Wisconsin Ave, followed by stints on the east side and living in western suburbs. My wife and I have talked about our retirement years and doubt if we will ever move completely away from greater MKE. I think we will split time in FL and likely out west as time moves on. I would move to FL tomorrow, unfortunately Mrs. Goose is not that keen on FL.
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I think a TON is dependent on the years between 18 and 25. If you're still living where you grew up, for a significant portion of time during those years, chances are you won't leave.
I grew up in a nice Milwaukee burb at the kind of HS with 98% college admittance and flinging kids to schools all across the country. But it was interesting to see on FB the number of kids who flamed out at whatever school they were at and ended back at a school in the Milwaukee area, or transferred back from home sickness or whatnot. Those kids, or those that moved back for a job in Milwaukee after, all inevitably end up staying. I can only recall 2-3 people Ive ran into or seen who moved elsewhere after college and ended up back here.
Thus far, we've managed to buck this trend. After he graduated from college my son moved about 1,600 miles away. He moved back home about three years later. After she graduated my daughter decided to give NYC a try. She loved it, but didn't love the prices. Since she could work remotely she moved back home after a year but I won't be at all surprised if she moves again in the next few years.
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Born and raised in MKE area. Left for NC at 25 for a job. Followed that job 2 years later to Twin Cities. Company went under less than 3 years later in 1989, moved back to MKE to work where I started this career.
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That's an interesting loop, Wags. So if I'm reading this right, you think your family's next stop is Florida? What part?
My parents bought in St Pete. So thats where they are, thats where the new company office will be, and that, or maybe Sarasota, will be my next stop...for now. I'm fine with Florida, but I'm not at all keen on Tampa/St Pete for a variety of issues. So we shall see.
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My parents bought in St Pete. So thats where they are, thats where the new company office will be, and that, or maybe Sarasota, will be my next stop...for now. I'm fine with Florida, but I'm not at all keen on Tampa/St Pete for a variety of issues. So we shall see.
My favorite cousin lives in an absolutely beautiful area of St. Pete. I think it's called the Old Northeast neighborhood or something like that. Very close to the ocean, restaurants and other fun stuff, and I think a lot of the houses are historic. Theirs is gorgeous, with a huge front porch -- looks like something from the early 1900s, but totally redone inside. Million-bucks-plus, of course. But I'm with you on the rest of the area. I'm sure there are other nice areas but I haven't been very impressed with what I've seen. Sarasota is nice, though lots of it is super-commercial.
Anyhoo, good luck with your next move.
I would move to FL tomorrow, unfortunately Mrs. Goose is not that keen on FL.
Smart woman! 8-)
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Wags
My parents moved to Sarasota in the mid 90's and great place to live. I have chosen Naples as my go to spot in FL, but a soft spot for Sarasota. If I were to live in FL fulltime, I would definitely look hard at Sarasota.
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I don't get Florida at all. My parents moved to Florida in 1997. It was always my dad's dream but personally, I think it's miserable. The weather and humidity is disgustingly uncomfortable for 9 of the 12 months of the year. I can understand the Carolinas, or Arizona, or the Pacific Northwest, but why people want to retire to Florida is beyond me.
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I don't get Florida at all. My parents moved to Florida in 1997. It was always my dad's dream but personally, I think it's miserable. The weather and humidity is disgustingly uncomfortable for 9 of the 12 months of the year. I can understand the Carolinas, or Arizona, or the Pacific Northwest, but why people want to retire to Florida is beyond me.
To go to bed at 5
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I have only ever lived in Milwaukee. Currently live less than 5 miles from where I grew up.
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I think a TON is dependent on the years between 18 and 25. If you're still living where you grew up, for a significant portion of time during those years, chances are you won't leave.
I grew up in a nice Milwaukee burb at the kind of HS with 98% college admittance and flinging kids to schools all across the country. But it was interesting to see on FB the number of kids who flamed out at whatever school they were at and ended back at a school in the Milwaukee area, or transferred back from home sickness or whatnot. Those kids, or those that moved back for a job in Milwaukee after, all inevitably end up staying. I can only recall 2-3 people Ive ran into or seen who moved elsewhere after college and ended up back here.
As for me, I'm the pseudo exception. Born in Indy, but my Milwaukee and Sheboygan born parents brought me back to the MKE burbs before I turned 3. Lived in the burbs till I went to college. Then I moved to Oxford, OH for school (305 miles), then to Chicago after graduation for a decade or so (95 miles). Then split my time between MKE and NYC (911 miles) until Covid.
I made a mid-career change to work with my Father in the business he started when I was a teen, so I ended up in the burbs intermittently. But my parents have moved to Florida and the business will follow so I will be migrating that direction in the next 18 months or so. If not for the unexpected career change and COVID, there's no chance I would have ended up back in Milwaukee. I consider Chicago more of my adult home than Milwaukee and, even after exploring a bit since Ive been back, I know and can speak to Chicago far better than I can Milwaukee.
Amusingly, my first child, arriving in September, will like me have a birth certificate reflecting a place he never really knew. While he will have more of a connection to Milwaukee, due to extended family and family history, than I do to Indy, I don't imagine he will live in Wisconsin for any longer than I did in the Hoosier state.
Congrats on the impending child.
Condolences on Florida.
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I don't get Florida at all. My parents moved to Florida in 1997. It was always my dad's dream but personally, I think it's miserable. The weather and humidity is disgustingly uncomfortable for 9 of the 12 months of the year. I can understand the Carolinas, or Arizona, or the Pacific Northwest, but why people want to retire to Florida is beyond me.
You could say the same thing about Wisconsin. I'm "used" to it and the weather still sucks from October to May. The "all 4 seasons" stereotype is a joke.
I personally don't get Arizona. Ungodly hot from May to September, and then winter is nice but you're wearing a jacket once the sun goes down...and a backyard of rocks.
I'm not thrilled about Florida but the majority of people who mock Florida are living places where people aren't clamoring to move to, for any reason. Like my wife's second cousin who lives in South Bend or my Mom's cousin who makes fun of all her Florida pictures on Facebook yet she and her husband live 30 minutes from Champaign.
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I don't get Florida at all. My parents moved to Florida in 1997. It was always my dad's dream but personally, I think it's miserable. The weather and humidity is disgustingly uncomfortable for 9 of the 12 months of the year. I can understand the Carolinas, or Arizona, or the Pacific Northwest, but why people want to retire to Florida is beyond me.
We are moving to the Treasure Coast of Florida -- Vero Beach to be precise. Our community is a combination of charming Old Florida and upscale new Florida. The arts community is excellent, as is the recreation and restaurant scene. Everyone here is from someplace else so it is incredibly easy to make friends.
We bought a home in 2014 and upsized this year as the new home will be our forever home.
The weather is a myth. January actually is fairly cool -- highs in the 60s or barely breaking 70. We may get one or two days of frost as a consequence of cool night times. February through May and October to Christmas is delightful. June is iffy and July through September is like living in a sauna.
Our expectation is that we will rent through AirBnB or VrBo in July, August and September (and maybe early October). We hope to spend a month a year with our daughter in the Denver area and the remainder of our time in Chicago with our friends and our son.
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I don't get Florida at all. My parents moved to Florida in 1997. It was always my dad's dream but personally, I think it's miserable. The weather and humidity is disgustingly uncomfortable for 9 of the 12 months of the year. I can understand the Carolinas, or Arizona, or the Pacific Northwest, but why people want to retire to Florida is beyond me.
I would never live in Florida full time. But I would certainly like to be able to spend about four months there.
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I personally don't get Arizona. Ungodly hot from May to September, and then winter is nice but you're wearing a jacket once the sun goes down...and a backyard of rocks.
In terms of Arizona, artificial grass has evolved.
(https://i0.wp.com/celebritygreensphoenix.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/scottsdale-commercial-artificial-grass-installation.jpg?resize=1200%2C900&ssl=1)
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You could say the same thing about Wisconsin. I'm "used" to it and the weather still sucks from October to May. The "all 4 seasons" stereotype is a joke.
I personally don't get Arizona. Ungodly hot from May to September, and then winter is nice but you're wearing a jacket once the sun goes down...and a backyard of rocks.
I'm not thrilled about Florida but the majority of people who mock Florida are living places where people aren't clamoring to move to, for any reason. Like my wife's second cousin who lives in South Bend or my Mom's cousin who makes fun of all her Florida pictures on Facebook yet she and her husband live 30 minutes from Champaign.
There won’t be water to live in Arizona in a decade or so. It’s a terrible idea to plan on retiring there or really anywhere in the SW United States
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The weather is a myth. January actually is fairly cool -- highs in the 60s or barely breaking 70. We may get one or two days of frost as a consequence of cool night times. February through May and October to Christmas is delightful. June is iffy and July through September is like living in a sauna.
It's really not. I've been there in every month multiple times. December through February are okay. But even March and November get humid and into the 80s/90s regularly. Not to mention that half the year is hurricane season.
You could say the same thing about Wisconsin. I'm "used" to it and the weather still sucks from October to May. The "all 4 seasons" stereotype is a joke.
Probably down to my preferences, but I think Wisconsin is nice from March-June and September-November. And even in the hot summer months, Milwaukee is nice down by the lake when all the festivals are going on. Winters are also a lot milder than they were when I was growing up. You still get the occasional cold or snow, but they aren't nearly as common now as they were in the 1980s/1990s. The true summer months are very hit-or-miss, with plenty of humidity and heat. Not Florida bad, but once you get out of the 70s it's too warm, and anything in the 90s sucks, IMO.
For me, the biggest appeal to Wisconsin and Milwaukee in particular is the lack of expected traumatic weather events. We don't have hurricanes, or massive (12+") snowfalls, or tornados, or earthquakes. And as climate change has made the winters shorter and milder, the main downsides have been significantly limited.
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It's really not. I've been there in every month multiple times. December through February are okay. But even March and November get humid and into the 80s/90s regularly. Not to mention that half the year is hurricane season.
Brother Brew, love you man, and I kinda wish you were right about January.
Not sure where you were but Vero Beach is about 150 miles North of Miami along the Atlantic Coast. We're generally in the center of the state's peninsula and it is cool. In Northern Florida, count on frost in January.
While June to November is hurricane season, hurricanes are rare before August or September. In order for hurricanes to form, you need very warm water in the Central Atlantic and, for humdingers, the Gulf of Mexico. In Vero Beach, in the eight years I lived there, we have been threatened by one really bad hurricane. It was supposed to make landfall as a Cat 5 storm at the beach 1/4 mile from my house. Fortunately, the steering currents pushed it up the coast and away from us. It made land as a Cat 3 hurricane.
We had one other year where we were strafed by a hurricane. I remember watching on my computer the Lovelies Kelly and Ashleigh from WPTV tell us whether we still had a house. We did!
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I've spent far too much time in central Florida, about halfway between Orlando and Daytona. I've spent time visiting Miami, Cape Coral, Naples, Tampa, Jacksonville, Orlando, Daytona, Tallahassee, West Palm, and Lake County. My folks (in Lake County, a small town near Eustis/Umatilla/Altoona area) are inland, but have had to put hurricane shutters up at least every other year for as long as they've been down there, though they've used them less in recent years, not because of fewer hurricanes but because they are pushing 80 and the effort is too much.
For context, I think 60-75 with low humidity is ideal weather. I am far more comfortable in the 40s and 50s than the 80s and 90s. The combination of humidity and heat the vast majority of the year is gross, IMO.
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In terms of Arizona, artificial grass has evolved.
(https://i0.wp.com/celebritygreensphoenix.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/scottsdale-commercial-artificial-grass-installation.jpg?resize=1200%2C900&ssl=1)
The Brady Bunch had artificial grass and they were mowing it?
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Every time I suggest The Villages, my wife suggests divorce.
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Every time I suggest The Villages, my wife suggests divorce.
Smart wife.
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Every time I suggest The Villages, my wife suggests divorce.
You married a wise woman.
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My parents seemed to have a big say in where I lived during my youth.
I was born in Edina,MN
they moved us to Madison WI
then they moved us to Milwaukee WI
At MU I got my first chance to move somewhere I wanted, so I went to Madrid, Spain ( Aug77-Aug78-4326 mi )
Finished MU and immediately went to Houston TX (1174 mi)
I sampled a year in Dallas TX
promptly back here to Houston TX (43 years and counting)
If it involved my choice, there was always one factor: COLD. I may have been born into it and forced to live it, but I never liked the cold, When I got older at MU I spent my winters indoors, in" bar rooms and bowling alleys"
BTW this is only my personal preference, as I do not wish to stir the auto debaters/insulters here over one's preferred climate
Its sort of odd but I consider Houston more my "home" than any other place while growing up
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Every time I suggest The Villages, my wife suggests divorce.
Yeah, but think about all those "(gran) dad jokes" that you could load up on daily to add to your collection.
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75 miles. then 140 miles, now 2100 miles.
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"I personally don't get Arizona. Ungodly hot from May to September, and then winter is nice but you're wearing a jacket once the sun goes down...and a backyard of rocks."
i beg to differ
what do we do when it's minus 10 and/or a foot of snow on ground? when it's 110-115, i'm in the pool
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"I personally don't get Arizona. Ungodly hot from May to September, and then winter is nice but you're wearing a jacket once the sun goes down...and a backyard of rocks."
i beg to differ
what do we do when it's minus 10 and/or a foot of snow on ground? when it's 110-115, i'm in the pool
Arizona won’t have water in a decade or so
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Marquette is 400 miles from where I grew up - I first left my hometown for college. I returned home for a few months after I graduated but then moved back to the Milwaukee area where I've been since. I was one of the few in my graduating HS class of 120 who went to college out of state and most of my classmates are still living in my hometown.
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I’m from the Chicago area. Besides four years at MU, I lived in London from 2016-2018. Back in Chicago area now. I loved London. Oddly, I felt very “at home” there. Would’ve stayed bite wife and kids wanted to come back to Chicago.
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The WSJ had an article awhile back about Milwaukee that said among major cities, it had the highest percentage of residents who had never lived anywhere else. Some of the responses in this thread seems to support this.
I was born in Germany on a US Army base. After that, I lived in Belleville and Decatur in Illinois, and then Nashville. Went to Marquette, lived there a few years afterwards, then Boston for a couple of years, then suburban Chicago over 30 years after that.
Now I split my time between Las Vegas and South Central Wisconsin.
And contrary to what DGies says, I would never ever encourage any young person to move to Chicago, or anyplace in Illinois for that matter. In the past decade or so, the entire state has become a dumpster fire.
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The WSJ had an article awhile back about Milwaukee that said among major cities, it had the highest percentage of residents who had never lived anywhere else. Some of the responses in this thread seems to support this.
I was born in Germany on a US Army base. After that, I lived in Belleville and Decatur in Illinois, and then Nashville. Went to Marquette, lived there a few years afterwards, then Boston for a couple of years, then suburban Chicago over 30 years after that.
Now I split my time between Las Vegas and South Central Wisconsin.
And contrary to what DGies says, I would never ever encourage any young person to move to Chicago, or anyplace in Illinois for that matter. In the past decade or so, the entire state has become a dumpster fire.
I wouldn’t encourage anyone to live in Wisconsin. This state has gone so backwards in the last decade, it seems almost improbable.
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The WSJ had an article awhile back about Milwaukee that said among major cities, it had the highest percentage of residents who had never lived anywhere else. Some of the responses in this thread seems to support this.
I was born in Germany on a US Army base. After that, I lived in Belleville and Decatur in Illinois, and then Nashville. Went to Marquette, lived there a few years afterwards, then Boston for a couple of years, then suburban Chicago over 30 years after that.
Now I split my time between Las Vegas and South Central Wisconsin.
And contrary to what DGies says, I would never ever encourage any young person to move to Chicago, or anyplace in Illinois for that matter. In the past decade or so, the entire state has become a dumpster fire.
My kid and his wife have lived in Illinois for awhile now. They love it. 🤷♂️🤷♂️🤷♂️
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Arizona won’t have water in a decade or so
ok greta...and when will Manhattan be under water or the polar bears become extinct...another decade or so?
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"I personally don't get Arizona. Ungodly hot from May to September, and then winter is nice but you're wearing a jacket once the sun goes down...and a backyard of rocks."
i beg to differ
what do we do when it's minus 10 and/or a foot of snow on ground? when it's 110-115, i'm in the pool
Glad you enjoy your place but I would have no interest in that.
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ok greta...and when will Manhattan be under water or the polar bears become extinct...another decade or so?
Could be. I suppose if you live in Arizona, you have no choice but to bury your head in the abundant sand to miss what is happening with the water supply in the SW.
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Glad you enjoy your place but I would have no interest in that.
the golf courses are some of the best in the country. love mountain/desert golf. plus the ball flies a little bit better due to the lower humidity and thinner air. love the people of Az as well
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Could be. I suppose if you live in Arizona, you have no choice but to bury your head in the abundant sand to miss what is happening with the water supply in the SW.
home to the 5th or 6th largest and probably one of the fastest growing cities(phoenix) in the country, i'm pretty sure they will not let this happen reeko. if you would have listened to all the "experts" from the years past, we shouldn't even be here right now, but i guess we've got 12, no 10 years left according to sandi cortez. unless we keep dumping money into windmills, solar panels and algores pocket
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My kid and his wife have lived in Illinois for awhile now. They love it. 🤷♂️🤷♂️🤷♂️
Yea, maybe I wouldn't buy a house or plan for the next 20 years in Illinois, but if I was 23 again, knowing what I know now, I still wouldn't hesitate to move to Chicago again. I had my issues with it when I was there, but the positives so greatly outweighed the negatives. Honestly, the only thing that would push me away from Chicago in a do-over scenario is my changed feelings on weather and what I'm interested in putting up with
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Yea, maybe I wouldn't buy a house or plan for the next 20 years in Illinois, but if I was 23 again, knowing what I know now, I still wouldn't hesitate to move to Chicago again. I had my issues with it when I was there, but the positives so greatly outweighed the negatives. Honestly, the only thing that would push me away from Chicago in a do-over scenario is my changed feelings on weather and what I'm interested in putting up with
But would you advise a 23-year-old to move there now?
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Opportunity is a big weight.
Coming out of school, do you wait around for your ideal location or take the opportunity and make the most of it.
Chicago probably provides more opportunities than most places.
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The WSJ had an article awhile back about Milwaukee that said among major cities, it had the highest percentage of residents who had never lived anywhere else. Some of the responses in this thread seems to support this.
I was born in Germany on a US Army base. After that, I lived in Belleville and Decatur in Illinois, and then Nashville. Went to Marquette, lived there a few years afterwards, then Boston for a couple of years, then suburban Chicago over 30 years after that.
Now I split my time between Las Vegas and South Central Wisconsin.
And contrary to what DGies says, I would never ever encourage any young person to move to Chicago, or anyplace in Illinois for that matter. In the past decade or so, the entire state has become a dumpster fire.
Sister Chick:
I was born in Superior,. lived in Highland Park, Watertown, Nashville, Milwaukee, Solon Springs, the Quad Cities of Illinois and Iowa and Chicago. We will liquidate our last Illinois holding on August 22nd.
Our Nashville years kind of overlapped (Go Ryan High!!!!) and while I love parts of living in Nashville, you could not pay me enough money to live there now. The infrastructure can't begin to handle the toxic growth that has been Middle Tennessee for the past 25 years or so. It's only going to get worse and the folks that promote Middle Tennessee are worse than Florida. The only bad growth in their minds is no growth -- damn the consequences.
Chicago and Illinois are a political toxic waste dump. The people who govern have not a clue and Illinois is a state where government is of the people and for the government. The ostrich look of both the Governor and the Mayor is very Nero-esque and at some point, some invading army, be it bankers who want to get paid, pensioners who want their pensions or creditors who are wondering whether Illinois' junk credit rating is too favorable, is going to do to Springfield and City Hall what the Huns did to Rome. Only worse, because they're going to take much of the Midwestern economy down with them.
All that said, Ms. Dgies and I Chose Chicago in 1982 because it offered us economic opportunity that few other places in the country provided. We both had Journalism degrees and we were able to find attractive meaningful professional jobs in Chicago. We were close to her family in Dubuque and mine in Douglas County, WI. I'd tell whoever has the same conversation we did to go with your heart and with what will bring you the best opportunity.
The only city that afforded us a similar opportunity was New York and that's a far bigger cesspool than Chicago could ever dream of being. Over the years, we've had opportunities to move to New York, Washington, Los Angeles, Seattle and Portland and turned them all down. Chicago has been home.
One last thought: My daughter and soon-to-be son in law live outside Denver. They are close to both families and uprooted from jobs they had in Grayslake and Waukesha County largely because of a tremendous opportunity in Denver for him (hint: It's classified). Up until a year ago, they spent most of their lives in Chicago. It will be interesting to see if they come home in the years ahead.
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dgies-solon springs?? wow, i didn't think anyone knew where that place was except myself and chili. we have a place just up the road on 27 in barnes on upper eau claire lake and still call it Gods country. hidden greens has always been a "go to" golf course as well.
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home to the 5th or 6th largest and probably one of the fastest growing cities(phoenix) in the country, i'm pretty sure they will not let this happen reeko. if you would have listened to all the "experts" from the years past, we shouldn't even be here right now, but i guess we've got 12, no 10 years left according to sandi cortez. unless we keep dumping money into windmills, solar panels and algores pocket
Enjoy it now, because people won’t be living there for long. You’re a science denier, so not surprised you ignore it.
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I live 5.6 miles (I just checked) from where I grew up.
I really like it in southwestern CT, 4 real seasons of roughly 3 months each. Long Island Sound keeps us a little warmer in the winter and a little cooler in the summer. Vast majority of winters I only have to pull out the shovel 0-3 times, usually closer to 0 than 3.
Past week or two has been brutal, though, with temps reaching the 90s. July and August are only months where generally it really gets hot, though. My wife (who I met at MU) grew up in northern suburb of Chicago and loves it here. Easy trips to NYC and Boston. I live in a nice quiet neighborhood in a blue-collar town, so not as expensive as other parts of the area, too.
I have friends who have moved out of the region and like it where they are and many who have stayed and are happy here. Any place is what you make of it, so I don't tend to think that in general one place is any better than another.
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dgies-solon springs?? wow, i didn't think anyone knew where that place was except myself and chili. we have a place just up the road on 27 in barnes on upper eau claire lake and still call it Gods country. hidden greens has always been a "go to" golf course as well.
Next time, hit Hog Wild in Solon. I also hear Longbranch in Minong is worthy. Gots to get there yet this summer.
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dgies-solon springs?? wow, i didn't think anyone knew where that place was except myself and chili. we have a place just up the road on 27 in barnes on upper eau claire lake and still call it Gods country. hidden greens has always been a "go to" golf course as well.
Brother Rocket:
Yes, Solon Springs.
My parents were both from Superior and my Dad spent his summers growing up on Upper St. Croix Lake. My parents place was on Island Lake, just east of Upper St. Croix. It was built in 1968 and then added on in 1980 and 1990. We spent our summers there as children from 1968 until I was graduated from Marquette. My parents retired there and lived full-time in Solon from 1990 until my Mom died in 2005 and my Dad in 2018. Even though my parents migrated 1,000 miles away to Nashville for a good part of their adult lives, this is living proof of the theory in this thread that inevitably, many go home. Solon Springs is 30 miles from where they both grew up.
If you've ever been to the Lucius Woods Performing Arts Center, my parents founded it. My Mom also was Chairwoman of the St. Croix School Board and was appointed by Governor Thompson to the Wisconsin Arts Council. My Dad was Chairman of the Douglas County Development Authority and played a big role in helping save the oil refinery in Superior. Dad also did the engineering work for Hidden Greens and was instrumental in getting that course developed. The course is about a mile north of my parents' old place.
Chili is married to the daughter of one of my parents' high school classmates and actually knew my parents!
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But would you advise a 23-year-old to move there now?
Sure. Not sure why I wouldn't. Chicago area is a fun place with a ton of economic opportunity.
Opportunity is a big weight.
Coming out of school, do you wait around for your ideal location or take the opportunity and make the most of it.
Chicago probably provides more opportunities than most places.
Exactly.
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But would you advise a 23-year-old to move there now?
Would I "advise" a 23-year-old to move to Chicago now? I probably wouldn't advise that person to move any place in particular.
A better question IMHO: Would I discourage a 23-year-old from moving to Chicago? Definitely not. Chicago is a fantastic place for a young, independent person to live.
Numerous studies have shown that a vast, vast majority of the violence takes place in just a few areas. Avoid those areas and enjoy all the great things Chicago has to offer. That's what I'd advise a young person if she or he was planning to move to Chicago and asked my advice.
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Would I "advise" a 23-year-old to move to Chicago now? I probably wouldn't advise that person to move any place in particular.
A better question IMHO: Would I discourage a 23-year-old from moving to Chicago? Definitely not. Chicago is a fantastic place for a young, independent person to live.
Numerous studies have shown that a vast, vast majority of the violence takes place in just a few areas. Avoid those areas and enjoy all the great things Chicago has to offer. That's what I'd advise a young person if she or he was planning to move to Chicago and asked my advice.
Brother MU:
While I absolutely agree with you on Chicago, sadly, things have changed since the studies you reference were undertaken. Crime in the more affluent areas of Chicago, particularly the near north side, has increased dramatically. I guess criminals think like everyone else does -- heighten your return on investment. Or, go where the money is.
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But would you advise a 23-year-old to move there now?
Without hesitation. I just did recently actually. My cousin moved there about 18 months ago.
Brother MU:
While I absolutely agree with you on Chicago, sadly, things have changed since the studies you reference were undertaken. Crime in the more affluent areas of Chicago, particularly the near north side, has increased dramatically. I guess criminals think like everyone else does -- heighten your return on investment. Or, go where the money is.
Sure, but again, I don't view it at all as "unsafe". I lived in Old Town for 8 years and there was a section just to the West that was still very "transitory". I remember going out to my car, in the very nice development I lived in, and hearing gunshots and seeing the story of someone shot a few blocks away the next morning. But never did I think "I GOTTA GET OUT".
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I've lived as far as 40 miles away from home. So, not far enough. My wife and I are in our low 30s and planning for a family soon, so we're staying in the Milwaukee area longer than we'd like to be closer to our parents.
Planning on moving out of the midwest in 6-7 years.
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Numerous studies have shown that a vast, vast majority of the violence takes place in just a few areas. Avoid those areas and enjoy all the great things Chicago has to offer. That's what I'd advise a young person if she or he was planning to move to Chicago and asked my advice.
I am not worried about the crime as much as I am worried the general financial condition of the state.
When I moved to Illinois, the personal income tax rate was 2%, the sales tax rate was 5.5%, my annual property taxes were 2% of my property's value, and the state was in decent financial shape. When I left, the personal income tax rate was 4.95%, the average sales tax was almost 9%, my property taxes were 3% of my property's value, and the state is teetering on bankruptcy.
Yes, Chicago is a fun place to live for a few years as a young adult, and there are career opportunities there (for now, at least), if someone asked me for recommendations as to where to relocate and set down roots, Illinois would not be on the list.
I am not looking to change anyone's mind; it's just my opinion as someone who spent most of her life there.
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For those who .. lived somewhere in adulthood for XX years, then moved away: How'd you deal with the loss of acquaintances/friends?
While so many folks move somewhere else when the kids are grown or after retirement .. I've thought about it too, but I find it hard to comprehend how one flushes 95% of the relationships you've built over the years and start over.
I think it'd be cool to live in the mountains and/or somewhere warm in the winter, but the thought of zeroing out the people I know seems like such a negative, I'd feel very alone in my new beautiful atmosphere.
So for those who did it .. how was that aspect?
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I am not worried about the crime as much as I am worried the general financial condition of the state.
When I moved to Illinois, the personal income tax rate was 2%, the sales tax rate was 5.5%, my annual property taxes were 2% of my property's value, and the state was in decent financial shape. When I left, the personal income tax rate was 4.95%, the average sales tax was almost 9%, my property taxes were 3% of my property's value, and the state is teetering on bankruptcy.
Sadly, nobody wants to do anything about it. Consider what has happened in the last three months: Boeing left for DC; Caterpillar left for Dallas; and, the scariest of the them all, Citadel Holdings for Miami. Most of what was once Fortune 500 corporations headquartered in Chicago are gone -- the banks mostly have been acquired, the insurance companies are headquartered elsewhere and the manufacturers largely a shell of their former selves. The largest company left headquartered in the area is McDonald's or Walgreens!
If this isn't a canary in the coal mine, I don't know what is!
I have know idea what the end game will be, but like you and Glow, I aint going to be around to suffer the consequences.
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I am not worried about the crime as much as I am worried the general financial condition of the state.
When I moved to Illinois, the personal income tax rate was 2%, the sales tax rate was 5.5%, my annual property taxes were 2% of my property's value, and the state was in decent financial shape. When I left, the personal income tax rate was 4.95%, the average sales tax was almost 9%, my property taxes were 3% of my property's value, and the state is teetering on bankruptcy.
Sorry, but this is plainly false. While there's still MUCH work to be done, Illinois is in better financial shape today than at any time since the mid 90s. It's nowhere near bankruptcy (which is impossible, anyhow).
Every rating agency has upgraded the state's bond rating in the last year - the first time that's happened in two decades. The massive backlog of unpaid bills that resulted from Bruce Rauner's ruinous attempt to break the unions has been chopped down from $17 billion to $3 billion. A bunch of short-term loans needed to fund the government because Rauner refused to have been repaid. The latest budget has a $1.7 billion surplus, compared to $3.2 billion deficit when Rauner left office. The pension shortfall, while still massive, has been trimmed 10 percent and is no longer the worst in the country.
Illinois is still far from what anyone would call good financial shape, but it's far better than just a few years ago and is by no means "teetering on bankruptcy" ... which, again, is an impossibility, since states cannot legally declare bankruptcy.
Regardless, not many 23-year-olds care about property taxes or pension obligations or a state's bond rating when contemplating where to live.
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I am not worried about the crime as much as I am worried the general financial condition of the state.
When I moved to Illinois, the personal income tax rate was 2%, the sales tax rate was 5.5%, my annual property taxes were 2% of my property's value, and the state was in decent financial shape. When I left, the personal income tax rate was 4.95%, the average sales tax was almost 9%, my property taxes were 3% of my property's value, and the state is teetering on bankruptcy.
Yes, Chicago is a fun place to live for a few years as a young adult, and there are career opportunities there (for now, at least), if someone asked me for recommendations as to where to relocate and set down roots, Illinois would not be on the list.
I am not looking to change anyone's mind; it's just my opinion as someone who spent most of her life there.
Right, and these might be good reasons for someone not to put down roots there, but a 23 year old who is beginning their career isn't really thinking about that. Nor do they really need to.
Sadly, nobody wants to do anything about it. Consider what has happened in the last three months: Boeing left for DC; Caterpillar left for Dallas; and, the scariest of the them all, Citadel Holdings for Miami. Most of what was once Fortune 500 corporations headquartered in Chicago are gone -- the banks mostly have been acquired, the insurance companies are headquartered elsewhere and the manufacturers largely a shell of their former selves. The largest company left headquartered in the area is McDonald's or Walgreens!
If this isn't a canary in the coal mine, I don't know what is!
I have know idea what the end game will be, but like you and Glow, I aint going to be around to suffer the consequences.
Fortune 500 companies haven't been the main drivers for professional job growth in years. There are plenty of very nice companies to work for in the Chicago area.
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For those who .. lived somewhere in adulthood for XX years, then moved away: How'd you deal with the loss of acquaintances/friends?
While so many folks move somewhere else when the kids are grown or after retirement .. I've thought about it too, but I find it hard to comprehend how one flushes 95% of the relationships you've built over the years and start over.
I think it'd be cool to live in the mountains and/or somewhere warm in the winter, but the thought of zeroing out the people I know seems like such a negative, I'd feel very alone in my new beautiful atmosphere.
So for those who did it .. how was that aspect?
This is what I am trying to work through right now. I grew up in Wauwatosa and the only time I lived outside of Wauwatosa until a month ago was my 4 years at Marquette. I just moved to Columbia, MO because my girlfriend got a job down here. I'm working remotely for the company I worked for prior to the move, but that will be ending in September. I think finding something local in an office will help to meet new people. I have about 3 mutual connections who I've texted with but have yet to actually meet, one of which actually just moved from Wauwatosa himself a couple weeks ago. I'd also like to find a group of guys to play regular pickup basketball with, because that's something I loved doing in Milwaukee, but those were all high school and college friends, of which I have 0 down here.
So far it's been fine because we took a week and a half trip up to the Canadian Rockies and have otherwise been busy trying to get settled in to the new house, but I think it'll be harder once that part slows down.
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Sorry, but this is plainly false. While there's still MUCH work to be done, Illinois is in better financial shape today than at any time since the mid 90s. It's nowhere near bankruptcy (which is impossible, anyhow).
Every rating agency has upgraded the state's bond rating in the last year - the first time that's happened in two decades. The massive backlog of unpaid bills that resulted from Bruce Rauner's ruinous attempt to break the unions has been chopped down from $17 billion to $3 billion. A bunch of short-term loans needed to fund the government because Rauner refused to have been repaid. The latest budget has a $1.7 billion surplus, compared to $3.2 billion deficit when Rauner left office. The pension shortfall, while still massive, has been trimmed 10 percent and is no longer the worst in the country.
Illinois is still far from what anyone would call good financial shape, but it's far better than just a few years ago and is by no means "teetering on bankruptcy" ... which, again, is an impossibility, since states cannot legally declare bankruptcy.
Regardless, not many 23-year-olds care about property taxes or pension obligations or a state's bond rating when contemplating where to live.
If you compare a pile of crap to a pile of toxic waste, I agree with you.
But to Sister Chick's point, the state's obligations likely exceed its assets by a wide margin, if the pension deficit is included and estimates are completed using GAAS. And, if Illinois were required to cash flow its pension obligation shortfall, which it eventually will be, there's no way it could. When Governor Quinn tried to address this issue, which is the big one overhanging the state, the public employees shot him out of the saddle so bad his backside flew from Chicago to Carbondale before it hit ground.
Sure, Illinois is not as bad as New Jersey. But benchmark Illinois against Wisconsin, Indiana, Iowa or Missouri and you have a whole different measure. And the GOP is just as bad a big spender in the state as the Democrats are!
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Sadly, nobody wants to do anything about it. Consider what has happened in the last three months: Boeing left for DC; Caterpillar left for Dallas; and, the scariest of the them all, Citadel Holdings for Miami. Most of what was once Fortune 500 corporations headquartered in Chicago are gone -- the banks mostly have been acquired, the insurance companies are headquartered elsewhere and the manufacturers largely a shell of their former selves. The largest company left headquartered in the area is McDonald's or Walgreens!
If this isn't a canary in the coal mine, I don't know what is!
I have know idea what the end game will be, but like you and Glow, I aint going to be around to suffer the consequences.
1. Citadel is not a Fortune 500 company. And many of its employees will remain in Chicago. Its move has far less to do with the business climate than Ken Griffin's personal feud with JB Priztker and his inability to buy the governor's office.
2. Caterpillar is moving only about 230 employees out of Illinois. About 17,000 will remain.
3. Why no mention of the Fortune 500 and other companies that are moving, or have moved, in to Chicago in recent years, i.e. Kellogg, Google, Dyson, etc.?
In fact, please share your thoughts on this:
The Chicago area set a record for corporate relocations and expansions in 2021, according to Site Selection magazine, making it the top metropolitan area in the United States for investment for the ninth consecutive year.
There were 441 qualifying deals in greater Chicago last year with a combined $2.8 billion in investments, 18,368 new jobs and 59 million square feet of expansion space, according to a statement Tuesday from the Georgia-based magazine and Chicago officials.
https://www.tmg-rea.com/chicago-remained-no-1-for-corporate-relocations-expansions-in-2021-magazine-says
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In fact, please share your thoughts on this:
The Chicago area set a record for corporate relocations and expansions in 2021, according to Site Selection magazine, making it the top metropolitan area in the United States for investment for the ninth consecutive year.
There were 441 qualifying deals in greater Chicago last year with a combined $2.8 billion in investments, 18,368 new jobs and 59 million square feet of expansion space, according to a statement Tuesday from the Georgia-based magazine and Chicago officials.
https://www.tmg-rea.com/chicago-remained-no-1-for-corporate-relocations-expansions-in-2021-magazine-says
OK, I will.
I love Chicago and NE Illinois. The fact that I've lived here for 44 years should be evidence enough of my appreciation of the area. That said, if people are willing to roll the dice and take a risk on Illinois' political climate, then God love them. I hope it works out for them and their employees.
The fact remains that Illinois as a whole lost population in the last 10 years. Yes, people are coming to Chicago but they're barely replacing those who left. Compare the rate of investment in Chicago to that of Dallas-Ft. Worth, Miami or even Nashville. While I have serious concerns about the number of see-throughs being built in Nashville's Gulch, I nonetheless think the growth of Middle Tennessee (while perhaps nuts) is being driven by a business climate that is far more attractive than Chicago or Illinois.
Good grief, look what's happening in Florida! Compare that to Illinois!
The investment in Chicago is fluid. You can cancel a lease and move employees quickly. Capital investment is much harder to move and you don't see capital investment -- factories and assembly. Do you really think that Cat will make capital investment in Peoria and Morton? I truly hope so but I have grave doubts.
And, yes, I know Citadel is not a Fortune 500 Corporation -- but their level of charitable and civic participation is unparalleled and to lose that is truly sad.
To Brother Hilltopper:
We are moving to Florida. But you never leave behind true friends. I have friends in Nashville who I've known since 1962 to 1970. We don't see each other every day but we talk regularly and we're a part of each others lives. My true friends in Chicago will stay close and I suspect, given our new location, we may see as much of them in the future as we do now!!! LOL
Cell phones, texting, email and social media have made true friendships forever friendships.
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For those who .. lived somewhere in adulthood for XX years, then moved away: How'd you deal with the loss of acquaintances/friends?
While so many folks move somewhere else when the kids are grown or after retirement .. I've thought about it too, but I find it hard to comprehend how one flushes 95% of the relationships you've built over the years and start over.
I think it'd be cool to live in the mountains and/or somewhere warm in the winter, but the thought of zeroing out the people I know seems like such a negative, I'd feel very alone in my new beautiful atmosphere.
So for those who did it .. how was that aspect?
I really didn't miss old friends that much. I would end up visiting a few times a year etc.
What I recall more was the cultural differences between WI, NC and MN.
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The fact remains that Illinois as a whole lost population in the last 10 years.
This is not a fact.
Illinois suffered significant undercounting during the 2020 census, leading to the mistaken conclusion that the state lost residents over the previous ten years — when in reality it added more than a quarter of a million people and swelled to its largest population ever.
That’s the stunning revelation from a report the U.S. Census Bureau itself released on Thursday, admitting that its ten-year head counts were off in more than a dozen states.
https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/illinois-undercounted-in-2020-census-actually-grew-to-13-million-the-states-largest-population-ever/2837753/
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Not even sure how accurate this is, but US News listed state's fiscal stability.Illinois is last
https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/rankings/fiscal-stability#:~:text=Alaska%20is%20the%20top%20state,top%2010%20Best%20States%20overall. (https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/rankings/fiscal-stability#:~:text=Alaska%20is%20the%20top%20state,top%2010%20Best%20States%20overall.)
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Not even sure how accurate this is, but US News listed state's fiscal stability.Illinois is last
https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/rankings/fiscal-stability#:~:text=Alaska%20is%20the%20top%20state,top%2010%20Best%20States%20overall. (https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/rankings/fiscal-stability#:~:text=Alaska%20is%20the%20top%20state,top%2010%20Best%20States%20overall.)
I'd guess that's pretty accurate, given that the data used is pretty old (most from 2018).
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For those who .. lived somewhere in adulthood for XX years, then moved away: How'd you deal with the loss of acquaintances/friends?
While so many folks move somewhere else when the kids are grown or after retirement .. I've thought about it too, but I find it hard to comprehend how one flushes 95% of the relationships you've built over the years and start over.
I think it'd be cool to live in the mountains and/or somewhere warm in the winter, but the thought of zeroing out the people I know seems like such a negative, I'd feel very alone in my new beautiful atmosphere.
So for those who did it .. how was that aspect?
You have to be good at keeping and maintaining friendships and relationships. You also have to see the opportunity to meet new people and make new friendships and relationships, while maintaining some of the past ones.
You will lose some friendships, and/or some dynamics will change. But others will remain in tact. Technology, travel improvements help.
The biggest challenges for me have been taking care of some people with perhaps higher needs, whether that be older relatives or a disabled one etc….with whom I am close….when those people become a little less independent. (Moving to them or having them move to you)
My friends live all over the country and internationally. That’s in part because I have lived several places, and worked/visited many others. Some of those people have lived and visited several places, and others haven’t. Maintaining friendships has been more about the connection you have with that person than geography in my experience. It takes some effort.
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Well this just showed up in my Facebook feed:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/realestate/chicago-among-top-10-us-cities-homebuyers-are-looking-to-leave-report/ar-AAZXFqL
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Brother Rocket:
Yes, Solon Springs.
My parents were both from Superior and my Dad spent his summers growing up on Upper St. Croix Lake. My parents place was on Island Lake, just east of Upper St. Croix. It was built in 1968 and then added on in 1980 and 1990. We spent our summers there as children from 1968 until I was graduated from Marquette. My parents retired there and lived full-time in Solon from 1990 until my Mom died in 2005 and my Dad in 2018. Even though my parents migrated 1,000 miles away to Nashville for a good part of their adult lives, this is living proof of the theory in this thread that inevitably, many go home. Solon Springs is 30 miles from where they both grew up.
If you've ever been to the Lucius Woods Performing Arts Center, my parents founded it. My Mom also was Chairwoman of the St. Croix School Board and was appointed by Governor Thompson to the Wisconsin Arts Council. My Dad was Chairman of the Douglas County Development Authority and played a big role in helping save the oil refinery in Superior. Dad also did the engineering work for Hidden Greens and was instrumental in getting that course developed. The course is about a mile north of my parents' old place.
Chili is married to the daughter of one of my parents' high school classmates and actually knew my parents!
that's some busy people right there dgies! sounds like they really played an ACTIVE role in making that northern sector a better community.
we had been going up to barnes every year since 1967 to my uncles place on middle eau claire. the "buck n bass bar and grill had the million $$ view. then dad bought a place on the penninsula over looking upper eau claire lake in 1990 and turned it into our shangri la. south of solon springs on 27, turn left at jims bait shop and you're home. too many good memories and great fish stories to count
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Well this just showed up in my Facebook feed:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/realestate/chicago-among-top-10-us-cities-homebuyers-are-looking-to-leave-report/ar-AAZXFqL
In summary, Chicago ranked 9th on this list, had the second-lowest net outflow among the top 10 and was the only market among the 10 with a 2022 outflow smaller than 2021.
Where are these people going? The #1 destination is Cape Coral, Florida. AKA, they're retirees.
Oh, and the top destination for people leaving the Denver and Minneapolis markets? Chicago.
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100 miles, but I've lived as far as 418 miles.
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None of the above discuss has convinced me that Chicago is a bad place to live. My son and his family still lives there, one of my best friends just moved to Lincoln Park from Wisconsin and absolutely loves it, and I still have numerous friends who live there and vow they'd never live anyplace else.
Bad things happen there occasionally, too -- like anywhere else USA. Oklahoma is melting, St. Louis is under water, Florida is feuding with Disney, Texas is having problems with its grid, California is on fire, Arizona has no water, there have been 1000+ monkeypox cases in NYC, and there have been numerous horrific shootings in small towns this year.
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None of the above discuss has convinced me that Chicago is a bad place to live. My son and his family still lives there, one of my best friends just moved to Lincoln Park from Wisconsin and absolutely loves it, and I still have numerous friends who live there and vow they'd never live anyplace else.
Bad things happen there occasionally, too -- like anywhere else USA. Oklahoma is melting, St. Louis is under water, Florida is feuding with Disney, Texas is having problems with its grid, California is on fire, Arizona has no water, there have been 1000+ monkeypox cases in NYC, and there have been numerous horrific shootings in small towns this year.
Cities like Chicago, New York, and Los Angeles will always be disproportionately targeted as "problem areas" because of sample size. When you have more than 9 million people in your metro area, that's a huge sample size for isolated events to get blown up in the news and lead to generalities that the whole city is like that isolated event.
The metro areas of those three cities are all greater than 9.4 million, which means they each have populations greater than all but 10 states (New Jersey, at 9.3 million, is the 11th most populous state). It's not much different than when Wisconsin bumpkins hear I live in Milwaukee and shudder, even though my neighborhood has a lower crime rate than the bulk of Waukesha, New Berlin, Hartland, and many other "affluent" suburbs.
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None of the above discuss has convinced me that Chicago is a bad place to live. My son and his family still lives there, one of my best friends just moved to Lincoln Park from Wisconsin and absolutely loves it, and I still have numerous friends who live there and vow they'd never live anyplace else.
Bad things happen there occasionally, too -- like anywhere else USA. Oklahoma is melting, St. Louis is under water has Cardinals fans, Florida is feuding with Disney, Texas is having problems with its grid, California is on fire, Arizona has no water and Denver will be there soon, there have been 1000+ monkeypox cases in NYC, and there have been numerous horrific shootings in small towns this year.
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None of the above discuss has convinced me that Chicago is a bad place to live. My son and his family still lives there, one of my best friends just moved to Lincoln Park from Wisconsin and absolutely loves it, and I still have numerous friends who live there and vow they'd never live anyplace else.
Bad things happen there occasionally, too -- like anywhere else USA. Oklahoma is melting, St. Louis is under water, Florida is feuding with Disney, Texas is having problems with its grid, California is on fire, Arizona has no water, there have been 1000+ monkeypox cases in NYC, and there have been numerous horrific shootings in small towns this year.
Look, nobody is suggesting Chicago is bad place. What we are suggesting is that the city and state have serious financial problems. People who live here now have a massive tax burden (state, federal and local), with our property taxes being among the most severe in the United States. The financial problems are going to be someone's burden to solve, especially since nobody in government now wants to truly deal with it.
Illinois' governor tried to get Pension relief in the Covid-19 relief bills. That went nowhere!
Sure Florida's governor has picked a fight with Disney that neither side can win. It's stupid, especially since Disney is our state's largest private sector employer and has delayed moving 2,600 creative jobs to Lake Nona for at least two years. It's also stupid because Disney has a way of biting our governor in the backside if and when he runs for President.
Finally, YES MISSOURI HAS CARDINAL FANS. One of its finer points!
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Look, nobody is suggesting Chicago is bad place. What we are suggesting is that the city and state have serious financial problems. People who live here now have a massive tax burden (state, federal and local), with our property taxes being among the most severe in the United States. The financial problems are going to be someone's burden to solve, especially since nobody in government now wants to truly deal with it.
Illinois' governor tried to get Pension relief in the Covid-19 relief bills. That went nowhere!
Sure Florida's governor has picked a fight with Disney that neither side can win. It's stupid, especially since Disney is our state's largest private sector employer and has delayed moving 2,600 creative jobs to Lake Nona for at least two years. It's also stupid because Disney has a way of biting our governor in the backside if and when he runs for President.
Finally, YES MISSOURI HAS CARDINAL FANS. One of its finer points!
But no one is denying that the tax burden is high. I think we are objecting to chick suggesting that 23 year olds shouldn’t be advised to move there because of that burden. There is more that goes into such decisions than the taxes you pay.
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Look, nobody is suggesting Chicago is bad place. What we are suggesting is that the city and state have serious financial problems. People who live here now have a massive tax burden (state, federal and local), with our property taxes being among the most severe in the United States. The financial problems are going to be someone's burden to solve, especially since nobody in government now wants to truly deal with it.
Illinois' governor tried to get Pension relief in the Covid-19 relief bills. That went nowhere!
Sure Florida's governor has picked a fight with Disney that neither side can win. It's stupid, especially since Disney is our state's largest private sector employer and has delayed moving 2,600 creative jobs to Lake Nona for at least two years. It's also stupid because Disney has a way of biting our governor in the backside if and when he runs for President.
Finally, YES MISSOURI HAS CARDINAL FANS. One of its finer points!
Illinois' financial problems wouldn't dissuade me from living there, and they sure wouldn't if I were 23.
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This is not a fact.
Illinois suffered significant undercounting during the 2020 census, leading to the mistaken conclusion that the state lost residents over the previous ten years — when in reality it added more than a quarter of a million people and swelled to its largest population ever.
That’s the stunning revelation from a report the U.S. Census Bureau itself released on Thursday, admitting that its ten-year head counts were off in more than a dozen states.
https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/illinois-undercounted-in-2020-census-actually-grew-to-13-million-the-states-largest-population-ever/2837753/
I'm not sure I'd make a point with the Lovely Allison News. Yikes!
Channel 5 News is an embarrassment to the news profession. It's the most shallow reporting on earth, matched only by Channels 2 and 7 in Chicago.
I won't go into the census other than to say, what's official is official. States that lose Congressional seats and federal dollars due to a declining percentage of the U.S. are going to scream about undercount. You generally don't hear the same chorus in Texas, Florida or Tennessee.
Officially, Illinois lost population. Call me back in 10 years when we have the next census.
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I'm not sure I'd make a point with the Lovely Allison News. Yikes!
Channel 5 News is an embarrassment to the news profession. It's the most shallow reporting on earth, matched only by Channels 2 and 7 in Chicago.
I won't go into the census other than to say, what's official is official. States that lose Congressional seats and federal dollars due to a declining percentage of the U.S. are going to scream about undercount. You generally don't hear the same chorus in Texas, Florida or Tennessee.
Officially, Illinois lost population. Call me back in 10 years when we have the next census.
Really? The Census Bureau literally says Illinois gained population, but you're sticking to your guns? Did you do you own count?
Don't like NBC 5? Fine.
Here's the Tribune
https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-census-update-illinois-population-gain-20220523-jj3aztzfibf4xbom6vsdnl2kg4-story.html
And Sun-Times
https://chicago.suntimes.com/2022/5/19/23131741/illinois-2020-census-undercount-population-gain-pritzker-welch-democrats-republican-trump
And Capitol News/Daily Herald
https://www.dailyherald.com/news/20220519/census-officials-say-illinois-was-undercounted-in-2020-by-250000-residents
And NPR
https://www.npr.org/2022/05/19/1099810793/census-undercount-by-state-arkansas-florida-illinois-mississippi-tennessee-texas
And here is the Census Bureau itself
https://www2.census.gov/programs-surveys/decennial/coverage-measurement/pes/census-coverage-estimates-for-people-in-the-united-states-by-state-and-census-operations.pdf
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Back to the issue at hand:
My daughter and son-in-law live in Castle Rock, CO. They moved there a year ago so he could take an incredible job for a company based in Colorado. It's cutting edge stuff and the core of what he is doing is highly classified. It's so classified that the powers that be in government are interviewing both he and my daughter. They're going to love that she was born in Belarus.
The open question is whether they'll come back to Chicago someday. My son is here, as is most of my son-in-law's family. My daughter and SIL have begun to settle and find their way in the Denver suburbs. Yet, they come here and fall in love with green and humidity -- both of which are severely lacking in the Denver metro. My wife and I have different opinions. She listens to the complaining and is confident they will be back. I, on the other hand, don't believe he'll ever find anything here that's as challenging as what he is doing in Denver. She's not going to find a situation as much to her liking as she has right now in Castle Rock -- graphic designer at a printing company five minutes from her house.
They're both outdoorsy people and hike, bike and camp in the nearby mountains. If they come back, they'll be in exurbia somewhere near Wisconsin!
The longer they stay, the more likely it is they won't be back. I think the cross-point probably is two-to-three years from now. And, if he shows up in a Peyton Manning Broncos jersey, well, he aint coming back.
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For those who .. lived somewhere in adulthood for XX years, then moved away: How'd you deal with the loss of acquaintances/friends?
While so many folks move somewhere else when the kids are grown or after retirement .. I've thought about it too, but I find it hard to comprehend how one flushes 95% of the relationships you've built over the years and start over.
I think it'd be cool to live in the mountains and/or somewhere warm in the winter, but the thought of zeroing out the people I know seems like such a negative, I'd feel very alone in my new beautiful atmosphere.
So for those who did it .. how was that aspect?
We've now made 3 major moves as adults and didn't know a single soul in 2 of them (Minneapolis and Charlotte).
It comes down to a few things ...
How easily do you make friends? Are you willing to join groups of like-minded people even if you don't know anybody? Are you an extrovert or introvert?
For example, within a couple months after moving to Charlotte, I found out who ran the local Marquette chapter and we went to the game-watching get-togethers they had for the season opener and Madison. We made a few friends on those occasions that we still hang out with today. We have friends through my wife's work, through my umpiring and coaching, and who live in our neighborhood. I played in a softball league for 5 years and am still very friendly with several of those guys, a number of whom are either in my poker group, my beer group or both.
As for those we left behind ... first and foremost, our son still lives in Chicago and now he has a wife and kids. So we get there several times a year. And on most of those occasions we make the effort to get together with good friends from our Chicago years. (They've also visited us here.)
And it's not like the olden days when it was out of sight out of mind; nowadays IG, FB, FaceTime, etc, can keep you up with what's going on "back home" pretty darn well.
But I certainly can see how a person who is a little shy or who is extremely attached to his or her group of friends wouldn't want to move. And it helps explain why most don't.
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We've now made 3 major moves as adults and didn't know a single soul in 2 of them (Minneapolis and Charlotte).
It comes down to a few things ...
How easily do you make friends? Are you willing to join groups of like-minded people even if you don't know anybody? Are you an extrovert or introvert?
For example, within a couple months after moving to Charlotte, I found out who ran the local Marquette chapter and we went to the game-watching get-togethers they had for the season opener and Madison. We made a few friends on those occasions that we still hang out with today. We have friends through my wife's work, through my umpiring and coaching, and who live in our neighborhood. I played in a softball league for 5 years and am still very friendly with several of those guys, a number of whom are either in my poker group, my beer group or both.
As for those we left behind ... first and foremost, our son still lives in Chicago and now he has a wife and kids. So we get there several times a year. And on most of those occasions we make the effort to get together with good friends from our Chicago years. (They've also visited us here.)
And it's not like the olden days when it was out of sight out of mind; nowadays IG, FB, FaceTime, etc, can keep you up with what's going on "back home" pretty darn well.
But I certainly can see how a person who is a little shy or who is extremely attached to his or her group of friends wouldn't want to move. And it helps explain why most don't.
Right on the money, Brother MU! +1000
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For those who .. lived somewhere in adulthood for XX years, then moved away: How'd you deal with the loss of acquaintances/friends?
While so many folks move somewhere else when the kids are grown or after retirement .. I've thought about it too, but I find it hard to comprehend how one flushes 95% of the relationships you've built over the years and start over.
I think it'd be cool to live in the mountains and/or somewhere warm in the winter, but the thought of zeroing out the people I know seems like such a negative, I'd feel very alone in my new beautiful atmosphere.
So for those who did it .. how was that aspect?
I think it is always difficult to move away from family.
Regarding the places I moved to, I was single when I moved.
Minneapolis/St. Paul are magnets for people from the Dakotas, Iowa and Wisconsin due to the job availability.
Detroit also draws in top talent from all over due to the auto industry.
And Charlotte metro is also a magnet for folks in the NE and Midwest.
Hence, meeting people in similar circumstances and interests was pretty easy.