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Title: Happy Juneteenth Y’all
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on June 20, 2022, 06:51:31 AM
Yet another day to celebrate freedom in America! 
Title: Re: Happy Juneteenth Y’all
Post by: Uncle Rico on June 20, 2022, 07:20:28 AM
Yet another day to celebrate freedom in America!

Freedom for all, not the few
Title: Re: Happy Juneteenth Y’all
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on June 20, 2022, 07:21:22 AM
BTW I realize it was yesterday but today is the holiday.
Title: Re: Happy Juneteenth Y’all
Post by: noblewarrior on June 21, 2022, 12:21:09 PM
Good on Texas for getting the ball rolling on this holiday across other states and the Feds!!!
Title: Re: Happy Juneteenth Y’all
Post by: JWags85 on June 21, 2022, 01:13:59 PM
Juneteenth is a fun barometer for seeing people's true nature.  If you have a complaint about it...why?  Its harming nobody and its celebrating something very meaningful for a segment of the population.  Sorry you couldn't visit your local bank branch yesterday.

My good friend, who is AA, said about Juneteenth when it was originally announced...

"I mean, its fine.  Personally its not going to shape me meaningfully, I'm not going to throw an annual get together for it...but its recognition and acknowledgement and yet another remembrance...that can never hurt."
Title: Re: Happy Juneteenth Y’all
Post by: Pakuni on June 21, 2022, 01:29:05 PM
Juneteenth is a fun barometer for seeing people's true nature.  If you have a complaint about it...why?  Its harming nobody and its celebrating something very meaningful for a segment of the population.  Sorry you couldn't visit your local bank branch yesterday.

My good friend, who is AA, said about Juneteenth when it was originally announced...

"I mean, its fine.  Personally its not going to shape me meaningfully, I'm not going to throw an annual get together for it...but its recognition and acknowledgement and yet another remembrance...that can never hurt."

But it's another day off for lazy teachers.
Title: Re: Happy Juneteenth Y’all
Post by: MU82 on June 21, 2022, 02:54:19 PM
Juneteenth is a fun barometer for seeing people's true nature.  If you have a complaint about it...why?  Its harming nobody and its celebrating something very meaningful for a segment of the population.  Sorry you couldn't visit your local bank branch yesterday.

My good friend, who is AA, said about Juneteenth when it was originally announced...

"I mean, its fine.  Personally its not going to shape me meaningfully, I'm not going to throw an annual get together for it...but its recognition and acknowledgement and yet another remembrance...that can never hurt."

Yes, to all of that.

Title: Re: Happy Juneteenth Y’all
Post by: Lennys Tap on June 21, 2022, 03:15:32 PM
But it's another day off for lazy teachers.

They still have to work 180 days a year in most states. Brutal.
Title: Re: Happy Juneteenth Y’all
Post by: MU82 on June 21, 2022, 03:37:19 PM
They still have to work 180 days a year in most states. Brutal.

Teachers are  the worst. All they want to do is indoctrinate our youth with CRT and LGBTQ crapola while they rake in the riches that go with being a teacher.

Who has it easier than teachers? They get total support from every state's government as well as all parents, they're all paid a ton, they don't have to work 3/4 of the year, and they repay us hardworking taxpayers with their indoctrination methods.

Why, some even ask kids to read books that have nothing to do with the Bible. Can you believe it?
Title: Re: Happy Juneteenth Y’all
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on June 21, 2022, 03:40:11 PM
They still have to work 180 days a year in most states. Brutal.
Teachers are  the worst. All they want to do is indoctrinate our youth with CRT and LGBTQ crapola while they rake in the riches that go with being a teacher.

Who has it easier than teachers? They get total support from every state's government as well as all parents, they're all paid a ton, they don't have to work 3/4 of the year, and they repay us hardworking taxpayers with their indoctrination methods.

Why, some even ask kids to read books that have nothing to do with the Bible. Can you believe it?


Y'all realize that Pak's comment was in teal right?
Title: Re: Happy Juneteenth Y’all
Post by: MU82 on June 21, 2022, 03:47:58 PM

Y'all realize that Pak's comment was in teal right?

Yes. Were Lenny's?
Title: Re: Happy Juneteenth Y’all
Post by: Jockey on June 21, 2022, 03:48:11 PM

Y'all realize that Pak's comment was in teal right?

I'm positive 82's comment was sarcasm. Not sure about Lenny.
Title: Re: Happy Juneteenth Y’all
Post by: Jockey on June 21, 2022, 03:49:28 PM
You're stealin' my gig, Mike. Knock it off. :o
Title: Re: Happy Juneteenth Y’all
Post by: TSmith34, Inc. on June 21, 2022, 04:01:41 PM
They still have to work 180 days a year in most states. Brutal.
Yup, teachers have it way too easy.
Title: Re: Happy Juneteenth Y’all
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on June 21, 2022, 04:08:42 PM
Yes. Were Lenny's?

Not every comment needs a response.
Title: Re: Happy Juneteenth Y’all
Post by: Jockey on June 21, 2022, 04:15:34 PM
Not every comment needs a response.

Dude, this is Scoop. We all must get in the last word. Sometimes 3 or 4 times.
Title: Re: Happy Juneteenth Y’all
Post by: Lennys Tap on June 21, 2022, 04:16:15 PM
Teachers are  the worst. All they want to do is indoctrinate our youth with CRT and LGBTQ crapola while they rake in the riches that go with being a teacher.

Who has it easier than teachers? They get total support from every state's government as well as all parents, they're all paid a ton, they don't have to work 3/4 of the year, and they repay us hardworking taxpayers with their indoctrination methods.

Why, some even ask kids to read books that have nothing to do with the Bible. Can you believe it?

Sorry you feel that way. Gonna home school the grandkids?
Title: Re: Happy Juneteenth Y’all
Post by: Pakuni on June 21, 2022, 04:21:55 PM
They still have to work 180 days a year in most states. Brutal.

Spoken like someone who knows zero teachers.
Title: Re: Happy Juneteenth Y’all
Post by: MU82 on June 21, 2022, 04:28:02 PM
Sorry you feel that way. Gonna home school the grandkids?

Both of my adult children, each of whom has 2 children, believe strongly in public schools. My son, the father of my grand-twins, is married to a 5th-grade teacher.

I love my daughter-in-law. I just wish she weren't so overpaid and so into indoctrinating her students with CRT. All she does, all day long, is push CRT. This past school year was dedicated to "White people are evil." Crazy, huh? But at least it ended happily, with a fun book-burning ceremony.
Title: Re: Happy Juneteenth Y’all
Post by: Billy Hoyle on June 21, 2022, 04:32:06 PM

Y'all realize that Pak's comment was in teal right?

the old man can't help himself.
Title: Re: Happy Juneteenth Y’all
Post by: MU Fan in Connecticut on June 22, 2022, 04:57:08 AM
My wife said this was her worst year teaching in in her 22 year career.  Too many students are f'd up and the parents either don't care or were super helicoptery like never before for defending do no work kids.

And she was rewarded by testing positive for COVID-19 on the last day of school.
Title: Re: Happy Juneteenth Y’all
Post by: Pakuni on June 22, 2022, 09:25:53 AM
In the meantime, the school board in Muskego has reversed plans to add an award-winning novel to the high school curriculum because it would give students an unbalanced view of the internment of Japanese Americans during WWII.
Who knew that was something you needed to both sides.

https://www.thebulwark.com/when-a-diverse-book-ban-goes-awry/
Title: Re: Happy Juneteenth Y’all
Post by: lawdog77 on June 22, 2022, 09:35:47 AM
In the meantime, the school board in Muskego has reversed plans to add an award-winning novel to the high school curriculum because it would give students an unbalanced view of the internment of Japanese Americans during WWII.
Who knew that was something you needed to both sides.

https://www.thebulwark.com/when-a-diverse-book-ban-goes-awry/
Still waiting for them to add a book detailing Hitler's side of the story, since Anne Frank: Diary of a Young Girl is on the curriculum.
Title: Re: Happy Juneteenth Y’all
Post by: NCMUFan on June 22, 2022, 11:00:28 AM
When you need a chuckle, come to Scoop.
Title: Re: Happy Juneteenth Y’all
Post by: Spotcheck Billy on June 22, 2022, 01:06:52 PM
In the meantime, the school board in Muskego has reversed plans to add an award-winning novel to the high school curriculum because it would give students an unbalanced view of the internment of Japanese Americans during WWII.
Who knew that was something you needed to both sides.

https://www.thebulwark.com/when-a-diverse-book-ban-goes-awry/

For their sake I hope keef doesn't find out.
Title: Re: Happy Juneteenth Y’all
Post by: Jockey on June 22, 2022, 01:17:15 PM
My wife said this was her worst year teaching in in her 22 year career.  Too many students are f'd up and the parents either don't care or were super helicoptery like never before for defending do no work kids.

And she was rewarded by testing positive for COVID-19 on the last day of school.

Interesting. My daughter had her best year after. She had her best group of kids in 15 years of teaching.  She was devastated at the end of the year by Uvalde and the shooting in Racine that her kids barely avoided. I told her to take the last week off. She said she couldn’t do it - that she wanted as much time with her kids as possible.

She is an outstanding teacher - the mayor here requested her personally for his daughter next year. His older daughter was in her class a couple years ago and he says she is the best teacher either of his kids have had.
Title: Re: Happy Juneteenth Y’all
Post by: Lennys Tap on June 22, 2022, 02:48:51 PM
Spoken like someone who knows zero teachers.

Wrong.

Wife was a teacher, one of my daughters taught for several years before leaving for the private sector, one of my sons is the principal (and the AP English teacher) at an international school in Tokyo. My four kids all went to school and so did I. So I know (or knew) scores of teachers. A few were great, some were good, some were meh and a few were terrible. The three I lived with never complained about being overworked or underpaid but they were exceptional people.
Title: Re: Happy Juneteenth Y’all
Post by: MU Fan in Connecticut on June 22, 2022, 02:59:02 PM
Interesting. My daughter had her best year after. She had her best group of kids in 15 years of teaching.  She was devastated at the end of the year by Uvalde and the shooting in Racine that her kids barely avoided. I told her to take the last week off. She said she couldn’t do it - that she wanted as much time with her kids as possible.

She is an outstanding teacher - the mayor here requested her personally for his daughter next year. His older daughter was in her class a couple years ago and he says she is the best teacher either of his kids have had.

Jockey,
That's awesome to hear.  Maybe teaching high school has something to do with it for my wife.
Title: Re: Happy Juneteenth Y’all
Post by: Jockey on June 22, 2022, 03:05:20 PM
Jockey,
That's awesome to hear.  Maybe teaching high school has something to do with it for my wife.

My daughter teaches Middle School. 12-13 year olds.
Title: Re: Happy Juneteenth Y’all
Post by: MU82 on June 22, 2022, 03:13:18 PM
Interesting. My daughter had her best year after. She had her best group of kids in 15 years of teaching.

Same with my daughter-in-law, a 5th-grade teacher in the Chicago burbs. After a couple difficult Covid years, she says she loved loved loved her class this year.
Title: Re: Happy Juneteenth Y’all
Post by: Pakuni on June 22, 2022, 03:49:11 PM
Wrong.

Wife was a teacher, one of my daughters taught for several years before leaving for the private sector, one of my sons is the principal (and the AP English teacher) at an international school in Tokyo. My four kids all went to school and so did I. So I know (or knew) scores of teachers. A few were great, some were good, some were meh and a few were terrible. The three I lived with never complained about being overworked or underpaid but they were exceptional people.

Fantastic goalpost shifting with that final sentence. Several of Cheeks' sock puppet accounts would approve.
Do your family members agree with your assessment of teachers' workload?
Title: Re: Happy Juneteenth Y’all
Post by: MuggsyB on June 22, 2022, 06:36:49 PM
The WSJ had an article today on teachers quitting in droves.  Apparently 300K public school teachers left the workforce in the last two years and we're at over 40% vacancies in most places.  Shortages will likely get worse.
Title: Re: Happy Juneteenth Y’all
Post by: Uncle Rico on June 22, 2022, 06:38:18 PM
The WSJ had an article today on teachers quitting in droves.  Apparently 300K public school teachers left the workforce in the last two years and we're at over 40% vacancies in most places.  Shortages will likely get worse.

Good for them.  They’ve been undervalued and underpaid for years.  You reap what you sow
Title: Re: Happy Juneteenth Y’all
Post by: Pakuni on June 22, 2022, 06:50:17 PM
Good for them.  They’ve been undervalued and underpaid for years.  You reap what you sow

Unexceptional people.
Title: Re: Happy Juneteenth Y’all
Post by: rocket surgeon on June 22, 2022, 07:16:32 PM
Good for them.  They’ve been undervalued and underpaid for years.  You reap what you sow

  undervalued and underpaid?  wow!  what an astute observation. so if they are overvalued, do you overpay them? you sure that's why the shortage?  nothing to do with crt and the total loss of civility and discipline in the classroom?  kids running roughshod ruining everyone else educational opportunities?   feeling safe in schools? 

 another zero for the zero.  too much tunnel vision and partisan bias.  need to expand your horizons reeko 
Title: Re: Happy Juneteenth Y’all
Post by: Uncle Rico on June 22, 2022, 07:19:03 PM
  undervalued and underpaid?  wow!  what an astute observation. so if they are overvalued, do you overpay them? you sure that's why the shortage?  nothing to do with crt and the total loss of civility and discipline in the classroom?  kids running roughshod ruining everyone else educational opportunities?   feeling safe in schools? 

 another zero for the zero.  too much tunnel vision and partisan bias.  need to expand your horizons reeko

You might be the dumbest person I have ever interacted with
Title: Re: Happy Juneteenth Y’all
Post by: Jockey on June 22, 2022, 07:20:53 PM
The WSJ had an article today on teachers quitting in droves.  Apparently 300K public school teachers left the workforce in the last two years and we're at over 40% vacancies in most places.  Shortages will likely get worse.

If teachers start carrying guns in schools, that percentage will skyrocket.
Title: Re: Happy Juneteenth Y’all
Post by: wadesworld on June 22, 2022, 08:07:34 PM
You might be the dumbest person I have ever interacted with

Might be? You must interact with some crazy dumb people.
Title: Re: Happy Juneteenth Y’all
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on June 22, 2022, 08:18:18 PM
  undervalued and underpaid?  wow!  what an astute observation. so if they are overvalued, do you overpay them? you sure that's why the shortage?  nothing to do with crt and the total loss of civility and discipline in the classroom?  kids running roughshod ruining everyone else educational opportunities?   feeling safe in schools? 

 another zero for the zero.  too much tunnel vision and partisan bias.  need to expand your horizons reeko 


Teacher shortages started to increase significantly when Act 10 was passed. It financially incentivized a lot of teachers to retire and disincentivized enrollment in teacher education programs across Wisconsin.

So the shortage has been brewing for awhile now, and it completely snowballed during Covid for a number of reasons.

If you are going to pay people less, not as many are going to enter the profession. I don’t know why it is such a mystery. Simple supply and demand.

But sure. Blame “CRT.”  🙄🙄🙄
Title: Re: Happy Juneteenth Y’all
Post by: tower912 on June 22, 2022, 08:22:10 PM
Public school teachers have been the whipping boy of the right for a couple of generations.   Ask them to take larger classes for less money.   Blame them for not performing miracles. Take away their pensions.    Don't give them resources.   Make them teach to a test.   
Title: Re: Happy Juneteenth Y’all
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on June 22, 2022, 08:26:00 PM
Public school teachers have been the whipping boy of the right for a couple of generations.   Ask them to take larger classes for less money.   Blame them for not performing miracles. Take away their pensions.    Don't give them resources.   Make them teach to a test.   

Yep. Tearing down a stellar system in the process.
Title: Re: Happy Juneteenth Y’all
Post by: ZiggysFryBoy on June 22, 2022, 09:51:50 PM
Wrong.

Wife was a teacher, one of my daughters taught for several years before leaving for the private sector, one of my sons is the principal (and the AP English teacher) at an international school in Tokyo. My four kids all went to school and so did I. So I know (or knew) scores of teachers. A few were great, some were good, some were meh and a few were terrible. The three I lived with never complained about being overworked or underpaid but they were exceptional people.

Lenny, this is fantastic.
Title: Re: Happy Juneteenth Y’all
Post by: pacearrow02 on June 22, 2022, 10:06:35 PM

Teacher shortages started to increase significantly when Act 10 was passed. It financially incentivized a lot of teachers to retire and disincentivized enrollment in teacher education programs across Wisconsin.

So the shortage has been brewing for awhile now, and it completely snowballed during Covid for a number of reasons.

If you are going to pay people less, not as many are going to enter the profession. I don’t know why it is such a mystery. Simple supply and demand.

But sure. Blame “CRT.”  🙄🙄🙄

This of course isn’t true.  Wisconsin does a pretty good job of paying its public school teachers.

https://www.thecentersquare.com/wisconsin/this-is-how-much-teachers-are-paid-in-wisconsin/article_71e7880a-6f1a-558b-af74-5235a18ded67.html
Title: Re: Happy Juneteenth Y’all
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on June 22, 2022, 10:19:12 PM
This of course isn’t true.  Wisconsin does a pretty good job of paying its public school teachers.

https://www.thecentersquare.com/wisconsin/this-is-how-much-teachers-are-paid-in-wisconsin/article_71e7880a-6f1a-558b-af74-5235a18ded67.html

According to your article the average teacher salary in Wisconsin (regardless of experience/education) is less than what an average college grad makes right after graduation. That doesn't sound like a "pretty good job"
Title: Re: Happy Juneteenth Y’all
Post by: JWags85 on June 22, 2022, 10:24:47 PM
According to your article the average teacher salary in Wisconsin (regardless of experience/education) is less than what an average college grad makes right after graduation. That doesn't sound like a "pretty good job"

The average college grad is making $65K out of undergrad?!
Title: Re: Happy Juneteenth Y’all
Post by: 🏀 on June 22, 2022, 10:26:30 PM
  undervalued and underpaid?  wow!  what an astute observation. so if they are overvalued, do you overpay them? you sure that's why the shortage?  nothing to do with crt and the total loss of civility and discipline in the classroom?  kids running roughshod ruining everyone else educational opportunities?   feeling safe in schools? 

 another zero for the zero.  too much tunnel vision and partisan bias.  need to expand your horizons reeko 

You are a sad little man. Not little like Jamie, but a person of little value.
Title: Re: Happy Juneteenth Y’all
Post by: pacearrow02 on June 22, 2022, 10:31:24 PM
According to your article the average teacher salary in Wisconsin (regardless of experience/education) is less than what an average college grad makes right after graduation. That doesn't sound like a "pretty good job"

No idea what the avg starting salary is for recent grads.  Responding to Fluffy saying Wisconsin teachers were paid less because of ACT 10 which isn’t true.
Title: Re: Happy Juneteenth Y’all
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on June 22, 2022, 11:56:08 PM
The average college grad is making $65K out of undergrad?!

I was using the $59K number not the $63K number that is adjusted for cost of living. And it turns out I was incorrect, the average starting salary out of college is now a little over $55K. I thought I had read recently it was 61K but my memory was a little off. Even so, the average for the entire population regardless of experience/education being only $4k above the average fresh out of college salary is still depressing.
Title: Re: Happy Juneteenth Y’all
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on June 23, 2022, 03:48:33 AM
This of course isn’t true.  Wisconsin does a pretty good job of paying its public school teachers.

https://www.thecentersquare.com/wisconsin/this-is-how-much-teachers-are-paid-in-wisconsin/article_71e7880a-6f1a-558b-af74-5235a18ded67.html
No idea what the avg starting salary is for recent grads.  Responding to Fluffy saying Wisconsin teachers were paid less because of ACT 10 which isn’t true.

What you posted literally doesn’t address my point. Act 10 most definitely decreased teacher compensation in Wisconsin.

Which was actually its intent by the way.
Title: Re: Happy Juneteenth Y’all
Post by: Uncle Rico on June 23, 2022, 05:12:00 AM
What you posted literally doesn’t address my point. Act 10 most definitely decreased teacher compensation in Wisconsin.

Which was actually its intent by the way.

Pace isn’t very bright and just links the first thing he finds on the google machine without reading it
Title: Re: Happy Juneteenth Y’all
Post by: Hards Alumni on June 23, 2022, 06:17:09 AM
  undervalued and underpaid?  wow!  what an astute observation. so if they are overvalued, do you overpay them? you sure that's why the shortage?  nothing to do with crt and the total loss of civility and discipline in the classroom?  kids running roughshod ruining everyone else educational opportunities?   feeling safe in schools? 

 another zero for the zero.  too much tunnel vision and partisan bias.  need to expand your horizons reeko

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Title: Re: Happy Juneteenth Y’all
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on June 23, 2022, 07:55:25 AM
No idea what the avg starting salary is for recent grads.  Responding to Fluffy saying Wisconsin teachers were paid less because of ACT 10 which isn’t true.


Read and learn buddy....


https://spectrumnews1.com/wi/green-bay/news/2021/06/24/act-10-and-teacher-shortage#:~:text=Act%2010%20was%20proposed%20to,of%20all%20public%20sector%20employees.

"Not only did they suffer losses in bargaining power, benefits and compensation, but they became demonized throughout the state, something that continues to some degree to this day.

“I think teachers then, and the ones who were there at Act 10 and still in the profession, still feel very vulnerable about what happened,’’ said Vickie Adkins, executive director of the Wisconsin Association of School Personnel Administrators. “They lost their voice in a lot of things and felt betrayed. Communities turned on them because I think it was easy to see public employees’ unions, teachers, as a scapegoat. And they were kind of vilified throughout that process. That hurt. That feeling of being betrayed has not gone away.’’

The third shoe to drop was a significant exodus from the teaching profession. A 2017 study by the Center for American Progress Action Fund, an independent, nonpartisan policy institute, showed that in the year prior to Act 10, the number of teachers in Wisconsin aged 55 and over who retired was at about 15%. The following school year, when Act 10 became law, the number of teachers aged 55 and older who retired rose to more than 30%. Other teachers simply left for other careers, though some teachers did return to public school classrooms as time passed."

Further down...

"The Center for American Progress, using data from the Wisconsin Department of Public Instruction from 2005-06 to 2016-17, found that in the 2015-2016 school year, Wisconsin teachers’ median combined salaries and benefits were $10,843 lower than they were before Act 10 passed."


To be fair, this article says that Act 10 may not have had as much impact on FUTURE teachers entering the profession because the national numbers are actually worse than the state numbers

"As the years have gone on, fewer high school graduates have elected to pursue education careers, which has led to a teacher shortage throughout the state. Most who work in the education field will point to Act 10 as the direct culprit. A 2020 Wisconsin Policy Forum report said that between 2012 and 2018, students enrolling in Wisconsin teacher preparation programs dropped by more than a third (33.4%), from 11,620 students to 7,739.

While there is little doubt Act 10 played some role, the decline in those entering teacher preparation programs nationwide was more dire. While state enrollment dropped 33.4% from 2012 to 2018, average U.S. enrollment dropped 39%. As well, undergraduate enrollment for all majors during that time in the University of Wisconsin system was down 6.3%.

“How much of this is due to Act 10?’’ said Adkins of the teacher shortage. “You ask a good question because I don’t know if anybody has that answer, because how do you slice and dice and prove that this percentage of what’s happening is totally due to Act 10, to the isolation of all the other influences that are going on in the market.’’
Title: Re: Happy Juneteenth Y’all
Post by: lawdog77 on June 23, 2022, 08:09:08 AM
Quick question, did a drop in the median salary occur because the higher paying teachers retired? Were there mass salary cuts, or starting wages lowered?

Full disclosure, I think teachers are underpaid.
Title: Re: Happy Juneteenth Y’all
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on June 23, 2022, 08:12:05 AM
Quick question, did a drop in the median salary occur because the higher paying teachers retired? Were there mass salary cuts, or starting wages lowered?

Full disclosure, I think teachers are underpaid.


That is a really good question and I don't know the answer. I do know that the cost of benefits shifted more to employees after Act 10. So THAT part of compensation went down.

But it would be an interesting study to compare inflation-adjusted salaries for teachers at similar levels.
Title: Re: Happy Juneteenth Y’all
Post by: Jockey on June 23, 2022, 09:39:22 AM

That is a really good question and I don't know the answer. I do know that the cost of benefits shifted more to employees after Act 10. So THAT part of compensation went down.

But it would be an interesting study to compare inflation-adjusted salaries for teachers at similar levels.

You are correct. Teacher compensation declined because of benefit cuts. My daughter’s salary did not decline.

It is probable, also, that future salary declined because the law limited bargaining power for the union.
Title: Re: Happy Juneteenth Y’all
Post by: Lennys Tap on June 23, 2022, 10:36:21 PM
Fantastic goalpost shifting with that final sentence. Several of Cheeks' sock puppet accounts would approve.
Do your family members agree with your assessment of teachers' workload?

Goal post shifting? No.

To answer your question:

My wife worked in management for AT+T for 5 years until we had our first child. Long hours, very hard work. The next 20 years were spent raising our 4 children. Impossible hours, very hard work. 15 years in she started teaching - part time initially. When she wanted to go back to work full time, she was hired by the local high school as an assistant to the technology director. She loved it - rewarding work, low stress, lots of time off. After three years the tech chair took another job. He recommended my wife for his position, and the school went with his suggestion - provided my wife go back to school and get her masters degree. The next two years were as difficult as any work years for her. Full time big job by day, graduate school by night and in summer school. To complicate matter, she was diagnosed with breast cancer one semester short of her masters. She had surgery (lumpectomy) over Christmas break. She started radiation treatments in January that continued for (as I remember) 12 weeks. Throughout her treatments she continued teaching and going to school. But after she received her masters that June, it was pretty much seashells and balloons up to her retirement. Don’t recall her ever complaining of being overworked, and she loved having her summers off to recharge her batteries.

My daughter taught grammar school. Absolutely loved it, never complained about being overworked. But once she started a family she needed more $. She’s still in the field, selling Dream Box technology to school districts. Longer days, less vacations, but much more money - so trade offs. And she still loves teachers and holds them in high regard.

Since my son in education wears two hats (Principal and AP English teacher for juniors and seniors) his situation is decidedly different than most teachers. His hours are extremely long during the school year and his summer vacation lasts less than a month. He has plenty of stress and we’ve discussed that at length. But I’ve never heard him complain about his workload - he loves what he does and knows how important it is - and he’s well (and he believes fairly) compensated.
Title: Re: Happy Juneteenth Y’all
Post by: Pakuni on June 24, 2022, 08:12:02 AM
Goal post shifting? No.

To answer your question:

That's a nice story, Lenny (no sarcasm), but no, you didn't answer my question.
But since it's clear you've chosen not to, I'll drop it.
Title: Re: Happy Juneteenth Y’all
Post by: Pakuni on June 24, 2022, 08:27:53 AM
Probably not the best Juneteenth-related business strategy.

https://www.cnn.com/2022/06/23/us/allstate-progressive-juneteenth/index.html
Title: Re: Happy Juneteenth Y’all
Post by: Goose on June 24, 2022, 10:40:25 AM
Lenny

Great post. This is when Pakuni and other guys usually move to a new topic, thanks for ending their side of the conversation.
Title: Re: Happy Juneteenth Y’all
Post by: Hards Alumni on June 24, 2022, 10:43:09 AM
Lenny

Great post. This is when Pakuni and other guys usually move to a new topic, thanks for ending their side of the conversation.

Lenny's anecdotal experience means nothing... except that his family is fine with being kicked around, I guess.

My family is loaded with educators who feel the exact opposite from what Lenny is reporting.  But that is anecdotal as well, so it's also meaningless.

I know you know this, but you're just going to choose to ignore it.
Title: Re: Happy Juneteenth Y’all
Post by: Pakuni on June 24, 2022, 10:44:19 AM
Lenny

Great post. This is when Pakuni and other guys usually move to a new topic, thanks for ending their side of the conversation.

(https://media3.giphy.com/media/c12vYfKIs2WRi/giphy.gif?cid=790b761161d07d161ef4f11713a7082050a9fd00a4a34866&rid=giphy.gif&ct=g)

Lenny told a charming family story as a means of dodging my question - twice - because we both know the answer.
Title: Re: Happy Juneteenth Y’all
Post by: Goose on June 24, 2022, 10:57:19 AM
Pakuni

He answered your question, his family has had a positive experience working as a teacher. He answered the workload question and stated they never complained about being overworked.

My wife was an AP Biology and Chemistry teacher at a private school for nearly twenty years and never complained about being overworked. Over the past five years she has worked for big Pharma and has stated being overworked literally on a weekly basis. New gig is much more money and much, much more work. She mentioned in the last two weeks how much she misses the workload/lifestyle of being a teacher.
Title: Re: Happy Juneteenth Y’all
Post by: Hards Alumni on June 24, 2022, 11:02:16 AM
Pakuni

He answered your question, his family has had a positive experience working as a teacher. He answered the workload question and stated they never complained about being overworked.

My wife was an AP Biology and Chemistry teacher at a private school for nearly twenty years and never complained about being overworked. Over the past five years she has worked for big Pharma and has stated being overworked literally on a weekly basis. New gig is much more money and much, much more work. She mentioned in the last two weeks how much she misses the workload/lifestyle of being a teacher.

Why doesn't she return?
Title: Re: Happy Juneteenth Y’all
Post by: Pakuni on June 24, 2022, 11:03:15 AM
Pakuni

He answered your question, his family has had a positive experience working as a teacher. He answered the workload question and stated they never complained about being overworked.

My wife was an AP Biology and Chemistry teacher at a private school for nearly twenty years and never complained about being overworked. Over the past five years she has worked for big Pharma and has stated being overworked literally on a weekly basis. New gig is much more money and much, much more work. She mentioned in the last two weeks how much she misses the workload/lifestyle of being a teacher.

Goose,
I didn't ask him if his family members complained.
I asked him if he told his family members they worked only 180 days a year. (With or without the derision).
And if he's close with people who work in education, he knows they work more than 180 days a year, which makes me wonder why he'd say otherwise here. Seems to me he was just taking an unnecessary cheap shot that he knew to be false, but maybe I'm wrong.
Title: Re: Happy Juneteenth Y’all
Post by: Uncle Rico on June 24, 2022, 11:09:27 AM
I was married to a teacher and the way she and her co-workers were treated were terrible.  They worked many extra hours for the benefits of their students and always dipped into their pockets to help the classroom experience. 

More anecdotal evidence
Title: Re: Happy Juneteenth Y’all
Post by: lawdog77 on June 24, 2022, 11:27:43 AM
Why doesn't she return?
Goose is spending all of their money on scoop dues and steak dinners with the underboard.
Title: Re: Happy Juneteenth Y’all
Post by: tower912 on June 24, 2022, 11:43:28 AM
Pakuni

He answered your question, his family has had a positive experience working as a teacher. He answered the workload question and stated they never complained about being overworked.

My wife was an AP Biology and Chemistry teacher at a private school for nearly twenty years and never complained about being overworked. Over the past five years she has worked for big Pharma and has stated being overworked literally on a weekly basis. New gig is much more money and much, much more work. She mentioned in the last two weeks how much she misses the workload/lifestyle of being a teacher.

There is a shortage of teachers.  I am sure she could find a gig.
Title: Re: Happy Juneteenth Y’all
Post by: Goose on June 24, 2022, 12:25:56 PM
My guess is that if she wanted to return to being a teacher, she would. That said, it would not surprise me if she had some type of academic profession a few years from now.
Title: Re: Happy Juneteenth Y’all
Post by: MU82 on June 24, 2022, 01:15:28 PM
Pakuni

He answered your question, his family has had a positive experience working as a teacher. He answered the workload question and stated they never complained about being overworked.

My wife was an AP Biology and Chemistry teacher at a private school for nearly twenty years and never complained about being overworked. Over the past five years she has worked for big Pharma and has stated being overworked literally on a weekly basis. New gig is much more money and much, much more work. She mentioned in the last two weeks how much she misses the workload/lifestyle of being a teacher.

Good news: Plenty of teaching jobs available for her! Urban public schools are especially desperate for talented, motivated teachers like her.

Sounds like she’d enjoy the generous pay, the cush schedule and the easy-going work environment!
Title: Re: Happy Juneteenth Y’all
Post by: Goose on June 24, 2022, 01:40:00 PM
82


You have gone off the reservation. For the past two years my daughter has taught exactly in that environment and did so because she wanted to make a difference. She just recently left that position to work full time for the JVC, an organization she volunteered with for several years. Neither the teaching job or JVC was chosen for generous pay or cush schedule, but rather to give back to a community.

As for my wife, #1 she has volunteered her time to tutor inner city students after teaching career ended, and #2 she has never chosen a job because of money made or level of work. Her decision to work to work in Pharma is 90% based of her wanting to be intellectually challenged. Over the past several years she has been fortunate to have worked alongside some very cutting-edge drugs and worked with special people and that is her joy.

For the record, my wife would have zero problem driving to the inner city of MKE, working on MPS wages, benefits and work schedule and would find it very rewarding. There is no way my written words could express my point enough, but my wife has never shied away from a challenge or hard work and really have never cared how much money she was paid for the job.

If you thought your last post was clever or was making a point, it was addressed to the wrong person if you were trying to make point. For the record, if my wife did work at an Urban school there is one thing I know for certain, she would not bitch about low pay or long work hours because it was a job she would have taken with her eyes wide open.
Title: Re: Happy Juneteenth Y’all
Post by: MU82 on June 24, 2022, 01:45:59 PM
Glad to hear all that, Goose.

Enjoy your weekend! I’ll be enjoying mine “on the reservation.”
Title: Re: Happy Juneteenth Y’all
Post by: Lennys Tap on June 24, 2022, 01:46:41 PM
That's a nice story, Lenny (no sarcasm), but no, you didn't answer my question.
But since it's clear you've chosen not to, I'll drop it.

My position is that 180 days of work per year is less than a brutal work schedule. My wife and children agree. If you add components to it like going to school, undergoing cancer treatments or double dipping as an administrator and teacher (as my wife and son did) it can turn brutal. Under normal circumstances (like my daughter’s), not so much.

Sorry if that didn’t come through for you in my post. Hope it’s clear now.
Title: Re: Happy Juneteenth Y’all
Post by: Goose on June 24, 2022, 01:53:12 PM
82


You will be on here on stirring the pot all weekend and I know you will find that enjoyable. Just curious, why have you become so confrontational over the past couple of years? My feeling it is to fit in with the crowd, but I might be wrong on that.
Title: Re: Happy Juneteenth Y’all
Post by: Hards Alumni on June 24, 2022, 01:56:32 PM
82


You will be on here on stirring the pot all weekend and I know you will find that enjoyable. Just curious, why have you become so confrontational over the past couple of years? My feeling it is to fit in with the crowd, but I might be wrong on that.

More than a few guys around here watch too much cable news.  I think it's pretty clear who they are.   :P
Title: Re: Happy Juneteenth Y’all
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on June 24, 2022, 02:03:00 PM
My position is that 180 days of work per year is less than a brutal work schedule. My wife and children agree. If you add components to it like going to school, undergoing cancer treatments or double dipping as an administrator and teacher (as my wife and son did) it can turn brutal. Under normal circumstances (like my daughter’s), not so much.

Sorry if that didn’t come through for you in my post. Hope it’s clear now.

So you are doubling down on the idea that teachers only work 180 days a year. As a father and spouse of teachers you should know that's not accurate.
Title: Re: Happy Juneteenth Y’all
Post by: Goose on June 24, 2022, 02:04:52 PM
Seriously, I used to come on here to talk basketball and read other people's opinions on various topics and found it to be a good use of time. This place has become whack job city and simple comments get attacked on here these days. While I am a Republican, I think some folks on here should start smoking weed before they log onto scoop and bring a more mellow conversation to the board.
Title: Re: Happy Juneteenth Y’all
Post by: ZiggysFryBoy on June 24, 2022, 02:14:04 PM
Good news: Plenty of teaching jobs available for her! Urban public schools are especially desperate for talented, motivated teachers like her.

Sounds like she’d enjoy the generous pay, the cush schedule and the easy-going work environment!

You have plenty of free time.  Put your money where your mouth is. 

Or are you completely unemployable still?
Title: Re: Happy Juneteenth Y’all
Post by: Pakuni on June 24, 2022, 03:02:24 PM
My position is that 180 days of work per year is less than a brutal work schedule. My wife and children agree. If you add components to it like going to school, undergoing cancer treatments or double dipping as an administrator and teacher (as my wife and son did) it can turn brutal. Under normal circumstances (like my daughter’s), not so much.

Sorry if that didn’t come through for you in my post. Hope it’s clear now.

Except it's wrong, Lenny.
Any teacher worth his/her salt spends a couple of weeks working before the school year begins getting ready and 1-2 weeks after wrapping up. They work nights and weekends preparing lesson plans, grading papers, communicating with parents, holding open houses, parent-teacher conferences, special events, etc. They attend mandatory training several days a year.
The claim that teachers only work on days and times when kids are in class is false. And that's something you either knew and took the cheap shot anyhow, or you aren't as aware of your family members' careers as you claim.
Title: Re: Happy Juneteenth Y’all
Post by: Uncle Rico on June 24, 2022, 03:04:35 PM
Except it's wrong, Lenny.
Any teacher worth his/her salt spends a couple of weeks working before the school year begins getting ready and 1-2 weeks after wrapping up. They work nights and weekends preparing lesson plans, grading papers, communicating with parents, holding open houses, parent-teacher conferences, special events, etc. They attend mandatory training several days a year.
The claim that teachers only work on days and times when kids are in class is false. And that's something you either knew and took the cheap shot anyhow, or you aren't as aware of your family members' careers as you claim.

I’d say any teacher only working doing school hours is far lazier than Justin Lewis
Title: Re: Happy Juneteenth Y’all
Post by: MU Fan in Connecticut on June 24, 2022, 03:18:55 PM
So you are doubling down on the idea that teachers only work 180 days a year. As a father and spouse of teachers you should know that's not accurate.

My wife is doing teacher stuff nights and weekends and over the summer to get ready for next academic year.  She also has in service days beyond the 180.
Title: Re: Happy Juneteenth Y’all
Post by: tower912 on June 24, 2022, 03:20:17 PM
They all do.   Weak trolling.
Title: Re: Happy Juneteenth Y’all
Post by: ZiggysFryBoy on June 24, 2022, 03:49:06 PM
TIL that teachers are the only profession that works beyond their 40 hours per week.
Title: Re: Happy Juneteenth Y’all
Post by: Uncle Rico on June 24, 2022, 03:53:39 PM
TIL that teachers are the only profession that works beyond their 40 hours per week.

Nobody said that. 
Title: Re: Happy Juneteenth Y’all
Post by: tower912 on June 24, 2022, 04:00:47 PM
Nobody said anything near that.  Someone has got their newsmax whataboutism juices flowing.
Title: Re: Happy Juneteenth Y’all
Post by: Jockey on June 24, 2022, 04:30:49 PM
Seriously, I used to come on here to talk basketball and read other people's opinions on various topics and found it to be a good use of time. This place has become whack job city and simple comments get attacked on here these days. While I am a Republican, I think some folks on here should start smoking weed before they log onto scoop and bring a more mellow conversation to the board.

You have said that the guy who led an attempted coup against the United States is the greatest president of your lifetime.

But we are the whack jobs ::)
Title: Re: Happy Juneteenth Y’all
Post by: Pakuni on June 24, 2022, 04:34:46 PM
Seriously, I used to come on here to talk basketball and read other people's opinions on various topics and found it to be a good use of time. This place has become whack job city and simple comments get attacked on here these days. While I am a Republican, I think some folks on here should start smoking weed before they log onto scoop and bring a more mellow conversation to the board.

It sucks that the mods keep forcing you to visit the Superbar, click on the topics and comment.
Title: Re: Happy Juneteenth Y’all
Post by: Uncle Rico on June 24, 2022, 04:36:05 PM
You have said that the guy who led an attempted coup against the United States is the greatest president of your lifetime.

But we are the whack jobs ::)

Goose never said that or even intimated that. 
Title: Re: Happy Juneteenth Y’all
Post by: Hards Alumni on June 24, 2022, 04:37:03 PM
Goose never said that or even intimated that.

Correct, it was 4elder
Title: Re: Happy Juneteenth Y’all
Post by: Jockey on June 24, 2022, 05:16:01 PM
Correct, it was 4elder


Then I apologize profusely to Goose. My misremembering is getting worse.
Title: Re: Happy Juneteenth Y’all
Post by: Merit Matters on June 24, 2022, 05:18:16 PM
You have said that the guy who led an attempted coup against the United States is the greatest president of your lifetime.

But we are the whack jobs ::)
There was no coup. Look up definition of coup unless the dictionary has changed it, like other words.
Title: Re: Happy Juneteenth Y’all
Post by: Goose on June 24, 2022, 05:22:33 PM
Pakuni

Why the fxxk would I let people I disagree with force me from visiting scoop? Unlike you, I am not threatened by someone having a different opinion.
Title: Re: Happy Juneteenth Y’all
Post by: Pakuni on June 24, 2022, 05:49:44 PM
Pakuni

Why the fxxk would I let people I disagree with force me from visiting scoop? Unlike you, I am not threatened by someone having a different opinion.

Interesting take, Goose, given that you were just here whining about opinions you don't like and namecalling people with whom your disagree
Odd behavior from someone so very unthreatened.
Title: Re: Happy Juneteenth Y’all
Post by: Goose on June 24, 2022, 06:20:17 PM
Pakuni

I have never whined about opinions, but have have about lack of respect many times.
Title: Re: Happy Juneteenth Y’all
Post by: 4everwarriors on June 24, 2022, 06:36:53 PM
Correct, it was 4elder




Its Double Dribble to you, Bro. This may come as a shock to y'all, I hope neither Trump nor the Buffoon are on the ballot in 2024. Amongst other shortcomings, they're both too fookin' old, aina?
Title: Re: Happy Juneteenth Y’all
Post by: Uncle Rico on June 24, 2022, 06:45:10 PM



Its Double Dribble to you, Bro. This may come as a shock to y'all, I hope neither Trump nor the Buffoon are on the ballot in 2024. Amongst other shortcomings, they're both too fookin' old, aina?

Hallelujah
Title: Re: Happy Juneteenth Y’all
Post by: Lennys Tap on June 24, 2022, 07:26:37 PM
My wife is doing teacher stuff nights and weekends and over the summer to get ready for next academic year.  She also has in service days beyond the 180.

MU Fan

Apologies to your wife and all others offended. I’ll stipulate that teachers work days (and sometimes nights) when school isn’t in session. The better the teacher, the harder they work. So let’s cut 3 month off in summer to two. Add Christmas and Spring break and other holidays. That’s a lot of time off. One of the reasons that teacher salaries aren’t higher is that (until recently at least) their were a lot more people wanting to do it than there were openings - which contradicts the idea that the job is awful/ too hard. Maybe that changed with Covid. Maybe supply /demand has flipped. In which case, salaries and benefits will go up.
Title: Re: Happy Juneteenth Y’all
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on June 24, 2022, 08:43:33 PM
MU Fan

Apologies to your wife and all others offended. I’ll stipulate that teachers work days (and sometimes nights) when school isn’t in session. The better the teacher, the harder they work. So let’s cut 3 month off in summer to two. Add Christmas and Spring break and other holidays. That’s a lot of time off. One of the reasons that teacher salaries aren’t higher is that (until recently at least) their were a lot more people wanting to do it than there were openings - which contradicts the idea that the job is awful/ too hard. Maybe that changed with Covid. Maybe supply /demand has flipped. In which case, salaries and benefits will go up.

I appreciate the apology but I still think you are underestimating how much teachers work,   especially the good ones. My sister is a teacher and she gets to school between 6 to 630 every morning and usually leaves between 5 and 6 at night. While many in office jobs get time to surf the web or chat around the water cooler,  she's working pretty much non stop while she's there. She doesn't really get lunch as she's either supervising lunch,  tutoring, or monitoring recess.  She spends most nights grading or lesson planning on her personal time. And while the school year is only 180 days,  she only gets 2 or 3 (can't remember which) vacation days whereas most salaried employees would accrue a week or two of vacation in that time.  She also only has a handful of paid sick days (though I think she got a few more during COVID).
Title: Re: Happy Juneteenth Y’all
Post by: Mutaman on June 24, 2022, 08:51:13 PM
While I am a Republican

Nuff said.
Title: Re: Happy Juneteenth Y’all
Post by: Goose on June 25, 2022, 03:03:01 AM
There is no doubt teachers work hard, but everyone does in today's world. It is 2:58am CST and I am trying to fix a problem at our office in India. We all know, or should, what we sign up for in a job and accept this expectations. My only problem with the teacher workload debate is that we hear how hard they work non stop. Again, I think a lot of professions work a lot more than regular biz hours and that is life.
Title: Re: Happy Juneteenth Y’all
Post by: MU Fan in Connecticut on June 25, 2022, 05:22:18 AM
There is no doubt teachers work hard, but everyone does in today's world. It is 2:58am CST and I am trying to fix a problem at our office in India. We all know, or should, what we sign up for in a job and accept this expectations. My only problem with the teacher workload debate is that we hear how hard they work non stop. Again, I think a lot of professions work a lot more than regular biz hours and that is life.

I was wondering why you were up so early.  I'm in Budapest so that's my excuse.
Title: Re: Happy Juneteenth Y’all
Post by: Goose on June 25, 2022, 05:49:36 AM
Safe travels, MU fan!
Title: Re: Happy Juneteenth Y’all
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on June 25, 2022, 09:40:58 AM
There is no doubt teachers work hard, but everyone does in today's world. It is 2:58am CST and I am trying to fix a problem at our office in India. We all know, or should, what we sign up for in a job and accept this expectations. My only problem with the teacher workload debate is that we hear how hard they work non stop. Again, I think a lot of professions work a lot more than regular biz hours and that is life.

But you don't regularly get labeled as lazy by certain segments of the population. Teachers do. And while there are lazy teachers,  they are far from the majority.

No one is saying teachers work harder than you. Many people say teachers work less hard than others
Title: Re: Happy Juneteenth Y’all
Post by: Goose on June 25, 2022, 11:19:44 AM
TAMU

I respect the hell out of teachers and never would consider them lazy. Maybe that is my disconnect on why I get frustrated on the teacher workload debate.
Title: Re: Happy Juneteenth Y’all
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on June 25, 2022, 11:41:55 AM
TAMU

I respect the hell out of teachers and never would consider them lazy. Maybe that is my disconnect on why I get frustrated on the teacher workload debate.

I'm glad you respect the he'll out of teachers.  We do too which is why when Lenny made a Crack about teachers only working 180 days a year in response to Pakuni saying teachers aren't lazy,  some of us took offense
Title: Re: Happy Juneteenth Y’all
Post by: 4everwarriors on June 25, 2022, 12:24:07 PM
I was wondering why you were up so early.  I'm in Budapest so that's my excuse.



Have some goulash, hey?
Title: Re: Happy Juneteenth Y’all
Post by: MU Fan in Connecticut on June 25, 2022, 12:26:40 PM
Safe travels, MU fan!

I'm doing the most scoop thing and diverting from topic!
I've been sick but not terribly the whole week and finally almost feel back to normal.  I  assume I had a mild case of you know what since my wife was pretty lousy.
Dusseldorf Germany first half of week of a trade show, Hungary for customer visits the second half, Stuttgart next week to exhibit with my Finnish sister company.  Budapest is very cool!

Anyone rent a car internationally and have an issue at return?  They found a tiny dent in the end of a passenger door the size of a pencil tip if even that big.  I was insulted they even called it an issue.  I did not do since the passenger door was never opened the whole time I rented. I looked over the car at pick up and it wasn't noticable.  Hertz is trying to charge me and I know my company insurance (or personal insurance) will cover, but the fact they want to charge at all for something no one would fix seems ludicrous.  One been renting from Hertz forever and this is a first in 25+ years and plan to complain.
Anyone with experience?
Title: Re: Happy Juneteenth Y’all
Post by: MU Fan in Connecticut on June 25, 2022, 12:28:07 PM


Have some goulash, hey?

Every night so far.  Just literally finished my daily alottment while watching the World Cup Swim Championships going on.
Title: Re: Happy Juneteenth Y’all
Post by: dgies9156 on June 25, 2022, 10:33:43 PM
Anyone rent a car internationally and have an issue at return?  They found a tiny dent in the end of a passenger door the size of a pencil tip if even that big.  I was insulted they even called it an issue.  I did not do since the passenger door was never opened the whole time I rented. I looked over the car at pick up and it wasn't noticable.  Hertz is trying to charge me and I know my company insurance (or personal insurance) will cover, but the fact they want to charge at all for something no one would fix seems ludicrous.  One been renting from Hertz forever and this is a first in 25+ years and plan to complain.
Anyone with experience?

Yeup, I caught a bush with my rented Audi in Italy. Knew this crap was going to happen, so I found an auto parts store in Siena and buffed the scratches out of the finish completely.

Car looks better than new and the inspectors in Florence never knew!

Title: Re: Happy Juneteenth Y’all
Post by: 🏀 on June 25, 2022, 10:39:41 PM
Yeup, I caught a bush

Bycracky
Title: Re: Happy Juneteenth Y’all
Post by: 4everwarriors on June 26, 2022, 04:52:07 AM
Yeup, I caught a bush with my rented Audi in Italy. Knew this crap was going to happen, so I found an auto parts store in Siena and buffed the scratches out of the finish completely.

Car looks better than new and the inspectors in Florence never knew!



Weird, eye wuz under da impression all Italian floors were hardwood. But, ewe goe boi, aina?