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MUScoop => The Superbar => Topic started by: MU82 on June 12, 2022, 01:53:49 PM
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It's a start ...
https://apnews.com/article/gun-laws-senate-bipartisan-agreement-59d553f3d1e35fdbe4930e4341e74efb
WASHINGTON (AP) — Senate bargainers announced a bipartisan framework Sunday responding to last month’s mass shootings, a noteworthy though limited breakthrough offering modest gun curbs and bolstered efforts to improve school safety and mental health programs.
The proposal falls far short of tougher steps long sought by President Joe Biden and many Democrats. Even so, the accord was embraced by Biden and enactment would signal a significant turnabout after years of gun massacres that have yielded little but stalemate in Congress.
Biden said in a statement that the framework “does not do everything that I think is needed, but it reflects important steps in the right direction, and would be the most significant gun safety legislation to pass Congress in decades.”
Given the bipartisan support, “there are no excuses for delay, and no reason why it should not quickly move through the Senate and the House,” he said.
Leaders hope to push any agreement into law rapidly — they hope this month — before the political momentum fades that has been stirred by the recent mass shootings in Buffalo, New York, and Uvalde, Texas.
In a consequential development, 20 senators, including 10 Republicans, released a statement calling for passage. That is potentially crucial because the biggest obstacle to enacting the measure is probably in the 50-50 Senate, where at least 10 GOP votes will be needed to attain the usual 60-vote threshold for approval.
“Families are scared, and it is our duty to come together and get something done that will help restore their sense of safety and security in their communities,” the lawmakers said. The group, led by Sens. Chris Murphy, D-Conn., John Cornyn, R-Texas, Thom Tillis, R-N.C., and Krysten Sinema, D-Ariz., produced the agreement after two weeks of closed-door talks.
The compromise would make the juvenile records of gun buyers under age 21 available when they undergo background checks. The suspects who killed 10 Black people at a grocery store in Buffalo and 19 students and two teachers at an elementary school in Uvalde were both 18, and many perpetrators of recent years’ mass shootings have been young.
The agreement would offer money to states to enact and put in place “red flag” laws that make it easier to temporarily take guns from people considered potentially violent, plus funds to bolster school safety and mental health programs.
Some people who informally sell guns for profit would be required to obtain federal dealers’ licenses, which means they would have to conduct background checks of buyers. Convicted domestic abusers who do not live with a former partner, such as estranged ex-boyfriends, would be barred from buying firearms, and it would be a crime for a person to legally purchase a weapon for someone who would not qualify for ownership.
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Don't see any way this thread doesn't get closed for politics, but this feels like the bill that lets Republicans run on doing something about guns without really doing anything about guns.
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It's not nearly enough, but I'll take any level of progress. If I end up being wrong and this makes a meaningful impact on reducing mass shootings/casualties per mass shooting, then I will be ecstatic. My only fear is that this will be used in the future to say "see we passed a law and nothing changed, this doesn't work".
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It's not nearly enough, but I'll take any level of progress. If I end up being wrong and this makes a meaningful impact on reducing mass shootings/casualties per mass shooting, then I will be ecstatic. My only fear is that this will be used in the future to say "see we passed a law and nothing changed, this doesn't work".
what will prevent criminals, gangsters, evil people, etc from getting guns and using them for bad purposes?
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what will prevent criminals, gangsters, evil people, etc from getting guns and using them for bad purposes?
Exactly
We need to eliminate every law in the United States. Criminals aren't obeying them anyway. So what's the point of any law existing?
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what will prevent criminals, gangsters, evil people, etc from getting guns and using them for bad purposes?
Much stricter gun laws than what are being proposed would help.
What prevents those types of people from getting them and using them for bad purposes elsewhere in the world?
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"What prevents those types of people from getting them and using them for bad purposes elsewhere in the world?"
the fear of punishment, incarceration or worse
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what will prevent criminals, gangsters, evil people, etc from getting guns and using them for bad purposes?
A select few, nothing will stop them. But we can put up economic, legal, and cultural barriers that make it increasingly difficult for them to gain access to weapons and may be enough to either deter them altogether, delay them long enough that friends/family/coworkers/law enforcement are able to see the signs and intervene, or at least funnel them away from AR-15s and their like and towards less efficient weapons so that the body counts are lower.
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"What prevents those types of people from getting them and using them for bad purposes elsewhere in the world?"
the fear of punishment, incarceration or worse
We have the highest incarceration rate in the developed world. So shouldn't this mean that we have the lowest rates of gun violence?
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We have the highest incarceration rate in the developed world. So shouldn't this mean that we have the lowest rates of gun violence?
His talking points get confronted in every gun debate topic, and he still can't coherently address them.
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"What prevents those types of people from getting them and using them for bad purposes elsewhere in the world?"
the fear of punishment, incarceration or worse
It's the gun laws that stops them. It certainly isn't the fear of incarceration rates that are lower than the ones in the US. That's just silly.
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"What prevents those types of people from getting them and using them for bad purposes elsewhere in the world?"
the fear of punishment, incarceration or worse
How's that working out for us?
Incarceration rate (per 100,000):
USA - 629
Australia - 167
New Zealand - 164
France - 119
Spain - 113
Canada - 104
Germany - 70
Japan - 37
Homicide rate (per 100,000):
USA - 4.96
Australia - 0.89
New Zealand - 0.74
France - 1.2
Spain - 0.62
Canada - 1.76
Germany - 0.95
Japan - 0.26
https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/incarceration-rates-by-country
https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/violent-crime-rates-by-country
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It's the gun laws that stops them. It certainly isn't the fear of incarceration rates that are lower than the ones in the US. That's just silly.
right, but we have a constitution which if followed, will be very difficult to get around. you see what's going on with roe v wade? the violent protests and all. i'd hate to see the reaction if 2nd amendment were changed. r v w isn't even a constitutional right and they've already tried to assassinate a scotus judge. every change to gun rights will be challenged by someone at the scotus level. unless they pack the court during a certain administration, 2nd amendment will not be changed and even then, there are a lot of guns held outside by people on both sides of the aisle who rely on them for protection. yes, many law abiding inner city people can't or don't want to wait an hour or more for police to come to their aid.
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right, but we have a constitution which if followed, will be very difficult to get around. you see what's going on with roe v wade? the violent protests and all. i'd hate to see the reaction if 2nd amendment were changed. r v w isn't even a constitutional right and they've already tried to assassinate a scotus judge. every change to gun rights will be challenged by someone at the scotus level. unless they pack the court during a certain administration, 2nd amendment will not be changed and even then, there are a lot of guns held outside by people on both sides of the aisle who rely on them for protection. yes, many law abiding inner city people can't or don't want to wait an hour or more for police to come to their aid.
There are firearms regulations in place already that fall well short of 2nd amendment violations. Rights aren't absolute you know.
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right, but we have a constitution which if followed, will be very difficult to get around. you see what's going on with roe v wade? the violent protests and all. i'd hate to see the reaction if 2nd amendment were changed. r v w isn't even a constitutional right and they've already tried to assassinate a scotus judge. every change to gun rights will be challenged by someone at the scotus level. unless they pack the court during a certain administration, 2nd amendment will not be changed and even then, there are a lot of guns held outside by people on both sides of the aisle who rely on them for protection. yes, many law abiding inner city people can't or don't want to wait an hour or more for police to come to their aid.
Constitution on guns:
WELL REGULATED
I do like how you've conveniently ignored the fact that even though America has BY FAR the highest incarceration rate in the free world, we also have BY FAR the highest rate of gun violence.
Anyway, even if the gun-responsibility legislation that comes out of this bipartisan negotiation doesn't go as far as I'd like it to, I still view it as a good thing. I prefer human lives over "Guns For Everybody!" and I believe even a watered-down new law will save living, breathing, American lives.
Plus, even if it's fleeting, it's nice to see 10 Republican politicians and 10 Democratic politicians negotiate in good faith and agree on something important. Baby steps, and all that.
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right, but we have a constitution which if followed, will be very difficult to get around. you see what's going on with roe v wade? the violent protests and all. i'd hate to see the reaction if 2nd amendment were changed. r v w isn't even a constitutional right and they've already tried to assassinate a scotus judge. every change to gun rights will be challenged by someone at the scotus level. unless they pack the court during a certain administration, 2nd amendment will not be changed and even then, there are a lot of guns held outside by people on both sides of the aisle who rely on them for protection. yes, many law abiding inner city people can't or don't want to wait an hour or more for police to come to their aid.
Following the Constitution would mean getting rid of all guns used for hunting, self defense, home defense, or collecting. The only purpose to have guns according to the Second Amendment is in service of a "well-regulated militia." I guess textualism doesn't apply once gun lobbying dollars get involved.
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There are firearms regulations in place already that fall well short of 2nd amendment violations. Rights aren't absolute you know.
all talking points...yawn
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Following the Constitution would mean getting rid of all guns used for hunting, self defense, home defense, or collecting. The only purpose to have guns according to the Second Amendment is in service of a "well-regulated militia." I guess textualism doesn't apply once gun lobbying dollars get involved.
Uh no, not the only purpose, but taken literally, it's the only RIGHT. Everything else would be a privilege, as numerous cases have held (especially hunting).
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Constitution on guns:
WELL REGULATED
This has become a talking point lately that I think is pretty much in error. The "well regulated" statement is referring to a "well regulated militia," which basically means that the states have a right to keep an able bodied militia in place. It most certainly does not mean the right to bear arms, because in the very next clause says "not to be infringed."
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all talking points...yawn
Which you still never address.
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This has become a talking point lately that I think is pretty much in error. The "well regulated" statement is referring to a "well regulated militia," which basically means that the states have a right to keep an able bodied militia in place. It most certainly does not mean the right to bear arms, because in the very next clause says "not to be infringed."
There are plenty who would disagree with this, but I don't want this to be a multiple-page back and forth, so you can have the last word if you'd like.
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There are plenty who would disagree with this, but I don't want this to be a multiple-page back and forth, so you can have the last word if you'd like.
I think you are misunderstanding a couple of concepts here.
It literally says "well regulated militia," set up by the states, as opposed to a private militia of some sort. That just does not mean the right to bear arms is to be "well regulated." It is a completely different meaning of the phrase than you are using.
Now the dissenters in DC v. Heller were arguing that you can't separate the militia from the right to bear arms phrase. In other words, ones right to bear arms is inherently connected to the states ability to create a "well regulated militia."
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I think you are misunderstanding a couple of concepts here.
It literally says "well regulated militia," set up by the states, as opposed to a private militia of some sort. That just does not mean the right to bear arms is to be "well regulated." It is a completely different meaning of the phrase than you are using.
Now the dissenters in DC v. Heller were arguing that you can't separate the militia from the right to bear arms phrase. In other words, ones right to bear arms is inherently connected to the states ability to create a "well regulated militia."
Yes, and in the 18th century regulated meant , organized, trained, disciplined, not that there were "regulations" as we know the term today.
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Yes, and in the 18th century regulated meant , organized, trained, disciplined, not that there were "regulations" as we know the term today.
Bingo.
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Don't see any way this thread doesn't get closed for politics, but this feels like the bill that lets Republicans run on doing something about guns without really doing anything about guns.
This post (first reply in the thread) should have locked it.
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I would like to remind everyone that our whole government, nay our entire way of life, was on the brink of destruction on Jan 6th, 2021. They almost had all leavers of power. This is exactly why we should disarm all citizens. If a faciast coalition wants to take over, then we should ban guns.
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This post (first reply in the thread) should have locked it.
Yes, because the article itself was completely apolitical. ::) ::) ::)
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This post (first reply in the thread) should have locked it.
So hit report and move on.
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Making the age to own a semi automatic gun to something like 25 would be a huge step.
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This post (first reply in the thread) should have locked it.
You wanna lock posts because they speak truth?
Reminds me of somebody…
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Alwright, heer wee goe now, aina?
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Yes, because the article itself was completely apolitical. ::) ::) ::)
OK, Brew - you’ve got me there.
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A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
One could conclude the right of the people to keep and bear Arms and the right to form a well regulated militia being necessary to secure a free state shall not be infringed. We already know that SCOTUS ruled the right to bare arms is an individual right so its settled law.
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So hit report and move on.
The report button is for hall monitor tattle tales. Tough men play the victim constantly.
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A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
One could conclude the right of the people to keep and bear Arms and the right to form a well regulated militia being necessary to secure a free state shall not be infringed. We already know that SCOTUS ruled the right to bare arms is an individual right so its settled law.
Individual rights are not absolute.
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Individual rights are not absolute.
Going sleeveless is an absolute individual right.
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A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
One could conclude the right of the people to keep and bear Arms and the right to form a well regulated militia being necessary to secure a free state shall not be infringed. We already know that SCOTUS ruled the right to bare arms is an individual right so its settled law.
You make all your stances based on SCOTUS rulings? They're infallible?
Interesting...
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We already know that SCOTUS ruled the right to bare arms is an individual right so its settled law.
Wasn't "settled law" how almost all of the Republican SCOTUS justices referred to Roe v Wade? Glad you firmly support a woman's right to control her own reproductive system!
And they've suggested that she has that right, whether her arms are bare or clothed.
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Under a new Ohio law, teachers who want to carry guns into their schools need only 24 hours of training -- the previous law was 700+ hours of training.
Polls in recent years have indicated that a majority of Americans -- including a large majority of teachers -- oppose the idea of arming teachers. School board members, police unions and police chiefs also are against these laws. But tough nuggies!
Now any teacher who chooses not to carry will face pressure from parents wondering why those teachers don't love their children. And it will be a sad day when some student overpowers a teacher, takes the weapon and opens fire.
Robert Meader, who recently retired as commander of the Columbus Division of Police, called the training requirement in the bill “woefully inadequate,” arguing that it would “cause harmful accidents and potentially even needless deaths.”
It's the second major gun bill that Gov. DeWine has signed into law this year. The first, which went into effect Monday, eliminates the requirement for a license to carry a concealed handgun. Perfect - we don't need no stinkin' licenses!
A proposed red-flag law failed to gain any traction. But DeWine did sign a "Stand Your Ground" law last year, allowing people to use deadly force whenever they feel threatened. Cool ... kinda like a video game.
Meanwhile ...
Montrezl Harrell of the Charlotte Hornets has been charged with a felony for possession of marijuana in Kentucky. If only instead of pot he had been in possession of dozens of ARs and Glocks, he'd have been fine.
Everybody knows a loaded bong is 1,000 times more dangerous than a loaded gun.
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Under a new Ohio law, teachers who want to carry guns into their schools need only 24 hours of training -- the previous law was 700+ hours of training.
Polls in recent years have indicated that a majority of Americans -- including a large majority of teachers -- oppose the idea of arming teachers. School board members, police unions and police chiefs also are against these laws. But tough nuggies!
Now any teacher who chooses not to carry will face pressure from parents wondering why those teachers don't love their children. And it will be a sad day when some student overpowers a teacher, takes the weapon and opens fire.
Robert Meader, who recently retired as commander of the Columbus Division of Police, called the training requirement in the bill “woefully inadequate,” arguing that it would “cause harmful accidents and potentially even needless deaths.”
It's the second major gun bill that Gov. DeWine has signed into law this year. The first, which went into effect Monday, eliminates the requirement for a license to carry a concealed handgun. Perfect - we don't need no stinkin' licenses!
A proposed red-flag law failed to gain any traction. But DeWine did sign a "Stand Your Ground" law last year, allowing people to use deadly force whenever they feel threatened. Cool ... kinda like a video game.
Meanwhile ...
Montrezl Harrell of the Charlotte Hornets has been charged with a felony for possession of marijuana in Kentucky. If only instead of pot he had been in possession of dozens of ARs and Glocks, he'd have been fine.
Everybody knows a loaded bong is 1,000 times more dangerous than a loaded gun.
Individual teachers can't make this decision to carry by themselves. It has to be approved by the school district. Hopefully, they will have some common sense.
Oh, Montrez Harrell had 3 pounds of marijuana. He should know better than that.I don't feel pity for him.
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Individual teachers can't make this decision to carry by themselves. It has to be approved by the school district. Hopefully, they will have some common sense.
Oh, Montrez Harrell had 3 pounds of marijuana. He should know better than that.I don't feel pity for him.
I don't feel pity for him, either. It was stupid of him. He should have been smart enough to have been carrying 300 pounds of guns!
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Why is Congress trying to pass a bill for security for SCOTUS?
Just buy 9 guns for these old suckers. If it’s good enough for schools - it’s good enough for the Court.
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If they shoot someone, they may end up in court.
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If they shoot someone, they may end up in court.
Only the executive branch avoids jail when shooting citizens.
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Everyone should be armed because the gullible idiots have more firepower than the “rational actors”. Take a look at what rocket posts. Lost cause. When society collapses, at least have a means to prevent 4ever from trying to kidnap your daughter. *parody*
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Just would like to say how proud I am of MUSCOOPERs for not getting this thread locked.
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Just would like to say how proud I am of MUSCOOPERs for not getting this thread locked.
We try, but sometimes the mods disappoint us.
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Everyone should be armed because the gullible idiots have more firepower than the “rational actors”. Take a look at what rocket posts. Lost cause. When society collapses, at least have a means to prevent 4ever from trying to kidnap your daughter. *parody*
wtf is this? show me where i've ever said "everyone should be armed..."?? ya know z man, as much as you guys always think you're the smartest in the room, there are many others thinking your club is bat sh*t crazy and naive. look at what you guys have given us...you guys have essentially ruined our economy(with your pols) in less than 18 mos and we're supposed to listen to you for advice on anything? go have another ice cream dude. btw, a comedian you are not
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wtf is this? show me where i've ever said "everyone should be armed..."?? ya know z man, as much as you guys always think you're the smartest in the room, there are many others thinking your club is bat sh*t crazy and naive. look at what you guys have given us...you guys have essentially ruined our economy(with your pols) in less than 18 mos and we're supposed to listen to you for advice on anything? go have another ice cream dude. btw, a comedian you are not
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Ellipses, name calling and an ice cream drop is solid work. As always, no mention of The View means I have to dock points. Irony is dripping thick, though.
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The report button is for hall monitor tattle tales.
Indeed.
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wtf is this? show me where i've ever said "everyone should be armed..."??
Well don't you think that? I've heard you insist that good guys with guns are the best way at stopping bad guys with guns. So if you're not for arming all the good guys, doesn't that mean you don't care if certain people get killed by bad guys with guns?
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wtf is this? show me where i've ever said "everyone should be armed..."?? ya know z man, as much as you guys always think you're the smartest in the room, there are many others thinking your club is bat sh*t crazy and naive. look at what you guys have given us...you guys have essentially ruined our economy(with your pols) in less than 18 mos and we're supposed to listen to you for advice on anything? go have another ice cream dude. btw, a comedian you are not
Just let them be.
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Indeed.
But bitching about something you can control is for tough guys.
Got it ::)
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It's not just the inner cities.
WSJ: Rural America Reels From Violent Crime. ‘People Lost Their Ever-Lovin’ Minds.’
https://www.wsj.com/articles/violent-crime-rural-america-homicides-pandemic-increase-11654864251?campaign_id=9&emc=edit_nn_20220616&instance_id=64187&nl=the-morning®i_id=108420427&segment_id=95271&te=1&user_id=d36dcf821462fdd16ec3636710a855fa
Murder rates didn’t soar only in cities during the pandemic; small-town sheriffs and prosecutors are overwhelmed with homicide cases.
We clearly need more guns.
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It's not just the inner cities.
WSJ: Rural America Reels From Violent Crime. ‘People Lost Their Ever-Lovin’ Minds.’
https://www.wsj.com/articles/violent-crime-rural-america-homicides-pandemic-increase-11654864251?campaign_id=9&emc=edit_nn_20220616&instance_id=64187&nl=the-morning®i_id=108420427&segment_id=95271&te=1&user_id=d36dcf821462fdd16ec3636710a855fa
Murder rates didn’t soar only in cities during the pandemic; small-town sheriffs and prosecutors are overwhelmed with homicide cases.
We clearly need more guns.
Guess we can’t move Marquette out to the country. Sad!
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It's not just the inner cities.
WSJ: Rural America Reels From Violent Crime. ‘People Lost Their Ever-Lovin’ Minds.’
https://www.wsj.com/articles/violent-crime-rural-america-homicides-pandemic-increase-11654864251?campaign_id=9&emc=edit_nn_20220616&instance_id=64187&nl=the-morning®i_id=108420427&segment_id=95271&te=1&user_id=d36dcf821462fdd16ec3636710a855fa
Murder rates didn’t soar only in cities during the pandemic; small-town sheriffs and prosecutors are overwhelmed with homicide cases.
We clearly need more guns.
And good guys to carry them. These gun-otters are really slipping up.
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It's not just the inner cities.
WSJ: Rural America Reels From Violent Crime. ‘People Lost Their Ever-Lovin’ Minds.’
https://www.wsj.com/articles/violent-crime-rural-america-homicides-pandemic-increase-11654864251?campaign_id=9&emc=edit_nn_20220616&instance_id=64187&nl=the-morning®i_id=108420427&segment_id=95271&te=1&user_id=d36dcf821462fdd16ec3636710a855fa
Murder rates didn’t soar only in cities during the pandemic; small-town sheriffs and prosecutors are overwhelmed with homicide cases.
We clearly need more guns.
But what about Chicago?
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A select few, nothing will stop them. But we can put up economic, legal, and cultural barriers that make it increasingly difficult for them to gain access to weapons and may be enough to either deter them altogether, delay them long enough that friends/family/coworkers/law enforcement are able to see the signs and intervene, or at least funnel them away from AR-15s and their like and towards less efficient weapons so that the body counts are lower.
How about enforcing the laws that exist now? don't forget these schools are "gun free zones"
Criminals don't respect laws and what is never discussed is the data from the FBI which states that firearms
deter crime hundreds of thousands of crimes per year. I'm uncomfortable with "red flag laws" that allow people to act without due process. It is a slippery slope as those who would deny gun ownership would surely use this ruse. Witness the politicalization of the DOJ,FBI and IRS already.
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We should really ban bicycles. Just like guns load themselves and pull the trigger, bikes come to a stop and tip over with relative ease. Common sense bike control NOW!
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We should really ban bicycles. Just like guns load themselves and pull the trigger, bikes come to a stop and tip over with relative ease. Common sense bike control NOW!
Thoughts on laws against certain drugs? Ever seen heroin shoot up people on its own?
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Thoughts on laws against certain drugs? Ever seen heroin shoot up people on its own?
I respect you for trying to reason with the unreasonable.
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How about enforcing the laws that exist now? don't forget these schools are "gun free zones"
Criminals don't respect laws and what is never discussed is the data from the FBI which states that firearms
deter crime hundreds of thousands of crimes per year. I'm uncomfortable with "red flag laws" that allow people to act without due process. It is a slippery slope as those who would deny gun ownership would surely use this ruse. Witness the politicalization of the DOJ,FBI and IRS already.
Let’s have no laws because criminals don’t follow them. Nice logic. 🙄
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I respect you for trying to reason with the unreasonable.
I’m just saying we need common sense bicycle laws. That’s something we can all get behind.
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I’m just saying we need common sense bicycle laws. That’s something we can all get behind.
Imagine thinking this was even a little bit clever.
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How about enforcing the laws that exist now? don't forget these schools are "gun free zones"
Criminals don't respect laws and what is never discussed is the data from the FBI which states that firearms
deter crime hundreds of thousands of crimes per year. I'm uncomfortable with "red flag laws" that allow people to act without due process. It is a slippery slope as those who would deny gun ownership would surely use this ruse. Witness the politicalization of the DOJ,FBI and IRS already.
What laws do you think aren't being enforced?
Can you share the data from the FBI? I'm unfamiliar with it.
Why do you assume there would be no due process?
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Don't worry, all you gun-lovers who don't want to see any of the gun-responsibility legislation that 80% or more of your fellow Americans favor.
Senate negotiations ended without a firm agreement, meaning it might be too late to set up votes for next week and pass legislation before a recess.
Happiness is a warm gun. Every man, woman and child needs to own a dozen or so guns apiece if Gunmerica is really to be a happy, safe country.
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How about enforcing the laws that exist now? don't forget these schools are "gun free zones"
Criminals don't respect laws and what is never discussed is the data from the FBI which states that firearms
deter crime hundreds of thousands of crimes per year. I'm uncomfortable with "red flag laws" that allow people to act without due process. It is a slippery slope as those who would deny gun ownership would surely use this ruse. Witness the politicalization of the DOJ,FBI and IRS already.
Same old same old. Dumb arguments never die.
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If the was a ‘dumb-off’ between well street wanderer, Merit matters, and roqqet, would anyone really win?
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Putting the troll into gun control discussions.
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Don't worry, all you gun-lovers who don't want to see any of the gun-responsibility legislation that 80% or more of your fellow Americans favor.
Senate negotiations ended without a firm agreement, meaning it might be too late to set up votes for next week and pass legislation before a recess.
Happiness is a warm gun. Every man, woman and child needs to own a dozen or so guns apiece if Gunmerica is really to be a happy, safe country.
Nice!
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If the was a ‘dumb-off’ between well street wanderer, Merit matters, and roqqet, would anyone really win?
oh gee mr tighty whitey thong strap salesman, please enlighten us you shining light of truth and wisdom. once again, the guys who put us into the position we're currently in with mr. brain freeze wants to tell us what's "dumb"? go ride your bike man
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oh gee mr tighty whitey thong strap salesman, please enlighten us you shining light of truth and wisdom. once again, the guys who put us into the position we're currently in with mr. brain freeze wants to tell us what's "dumb"? go ride your bike man
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Another proud post for the Marquette Dental School
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Another proud post for the Marquette Dental School
Well, he did prove me wrong, Unc.
There would be a clear winner.
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Another proud post for the Marquette Dental School
i wasn't posting for the dental school reeko, so please leave them out of this
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i wasn't posting for the dental school reeko, so please leave them out of this
You represent them every time you post
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Texas AG after Uvalde shooting:
“I’d have to say, look, there’s always a plan. I believe God always has a plan. Life is short no matter what it is.”
Another douchenozzle who loves guns and doesn't give 2 shytes about the lives of living, breathing children.
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You represent them every time you post
you may want that in order to shame/censor my opinions, but par for you people
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you may want that in order to shame/censor my opinions, but par for you people
Rocket, if there is nothing wrong with your posts, than why would reminding you that you represent the dental school be an attempt to shame/censor you?
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Rocket, if there is nothing wrong with your posts, than why would reminding you that you represent the dental school be an attempt to shame/censor you?
It truly is the elephant in the room
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I guess the nutters here who continue to oppose gun safety measures must have switched over to Bannon's podcast as their main source of "news".
(https://images2.imgbox.com/a8/ee/Ni09evwM_o.jpg) (https://imgbox.com/Ni09evwM)
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There was never going to be a deal. Strictly a ploy by the R’s to let time pass and let people calm down. Even our kids lives are just one more lie to take advantage of.
Also, as I have said before, the polls mean nothing. Saying you support certain measures and then voting for someone 100% against them just makes liars of these people. It is strictly a way to pretend they are decent people.
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https://twitter.com/cpd1617scanner/status/1538528605508096001?s=21&t=LBPVSJ0lR6ouquTYeoNENQ
One of the many reasons my family and I carry at all times.
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https://twitter.com/cpd1617scanner/status/1538528605508096001?s=21&t=LBPVSJ0lR6ouquTYeoNENQ
One of the many reasons my family and I carry at all times.
You’re lying.
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You’re lying.
The only thing he carries is his diaper bag
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The only thing he carries is his diaper bag
I carry a diaper bag because I chose to stick in my kid’s life. Perhaps these kids would benefit from that. I’m not the animal jumping on a car.
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I carry a diaper bag because I chose to stick in my kid’s life. Perhaps these kids would benefit from that. I’m not the animal jumping on a car.
Racist too huh?
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Racist too huh?
His entire posting history has been one big dog whistle. Have to assume it’s an act at this point.
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Racist too huh?
He's been proud of his racism since his first post
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His entire posting history has been one big dog whistle. Have to assume it’s an act at this point.
He's a George Zimmerman cosplayer.
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https://twitter.com/cpd1617scanner/status/1538528605508096001?s=21&t=LBPVSJ0lR6ouquTYeoNENQ
One of the many reasons my family and I carry at all times.
I mean based on what I can tell from that video, the youths were definitely in the wrong and should be held accountable...but you would really shoot one of them in that situation? Unless there's more to the video, killing someone seems like an overreaction here
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I mean based on what I can tell from that video, the youths were definitely in the wrong and should be held accountable...but you would really shoot one of them in that situation? Unless there's more to the video, killing someone seems like an overreaction here
Old guy should just lock the car door
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I mean based on what I can tell from that video, the youths were definitely in the wrong and should be held accountable...but you would really shoot one of them in that situation? Unless there's more to the video, killing someone seems like an overreaction here
Not to mention if he did shoot them, I don't see any reasonable "my life was in danger" defense. Just some good old fashioned homicide.
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The old guy in the car sees the police officer coming. He did the right thing of just waiting until he comes and the crowd leaves.
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I mean based on what I can tell from that video, the youths were definitely in the wrong and should be held accountable...but you would really shoot one of them in that situation? Unless there's more to the video, killing someone seems like an overreaction here
Things could easily escalate. I’m just saying I’d rather be armed than not. Rather be judged in court than killed by a mob.
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Things could easily escalate. I’m just saying I’d rather be armed than not. Rather be judged in court than killed by a mob.
Explain to me how a gun would have helped in that situation.
Also explain to me how any of the gun responsibility suggestions made here would interfere with your ability to have a gun in a similar situation.
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https://twitter.com/cpd1617scanner/status/1538528605508096001?s=21&t=LBPVSJ0lR6ouquTYeoNENQ
One of the many reasons my family and I carry at all times.
https://cwbchicago.com/2022/06/two-teenagers-are-charged-with-carjacking-a-driver-in-the-west-loop-on-sunday-night.html
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Explain to me how a gun would have helped in that situation.
It quite probably would be the most dangerous thing a person could have done in that situation.
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https://cwbchicago.com/2022/06/two-teenagers-are-charged-with-carjacking-a-driver-in-the-west-loop-on-sunday-night.html
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/clarissajanlim/alabama-church-shooting-vestavia-hills
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It quite probably would be the most dangerous thing a person could have done in that situation.
You mean a single handgun wouldn't be effective against a crowd of 25+ who go from unruly and reckless...to angry and aggressive towards the person shooting at them?
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I guess the nutters here who continue to oppose gun safety measures must have switched over to Bannon's podcast as their main source of "news".
(https://images2.imgbox.com/a8/ee/Ni09evwM_o.jpg) (https://imgbox.com/Ni09evwM)
One might think a poll like this would scare the hell out of the NRA and the rest of the "I love guns more than I love human life" crowd. But they're just smiling because they know it's meaningless.
Nearly half of those elected to Congress have been bought by the gun lobby and don't care about what their own constituents think about gun responsibility, and it looks like that number will only grow because even people who claim to care deeply about human life keep voting for those who don't.