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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: MuggsyB on June 01, 2022, 07:51:07 PM
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Now that it's over who's on our radar transfer wise and can we find a productive player who can usurp rebounds at a minimum? Very concerned about our ability to glass clean in 22/23.
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Appears to be Gueye or bust.
Rebounding was inept last year. Highly possible will be even worse in 22-23.
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Don’t we have a transfer topic ongoing?
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Don’t we have a transfer topic ongoing?
The point is we desperately need a rebounder and overlapping threads is irrelevant.
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The point is we desperately need a rebounder and overlapping threads is irrelevant.
That very issue is being discussed in the transfer topic.
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That very issue is being discussed in the transfer topic.
Okay.
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Don’t we have a transfer topic ongoing?
Don't you see, everything's changed now that JLew made official what just about everyone suspected for weeks now. Really we should have a Gueye thread and a Ramey thread.
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My apologies.
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Don't you see, everything's changed now that JLew made official what just about everyone suspected for weeks now. Really we should have a Gueye thread and a Ramey thread.
With Keels and Green gone. I would be stunned if Ramey doesn't got to Duke.
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I predict MU rides with who they have.
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I predict MU rides with who they have.
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What do you anticipate from Wrightsil? Can he give us at least 10 and 6?
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What do you anticipate from Wrightsil? Can he give us at least 10 and 6?
Wrightsil averaged 9 rebounds per game last season. Six, with the jump up in play, is doable on a team that doesn't stress rebounding. MU will play a lot of five out this season.
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Don’t we have a transfer topic ongoing?
People need to stop with this....The Justin thread, recruiting thread, transfer thread all are extremely long and half of it is the same people talking to themselves or talking about Haiku's or claiming Justin is on campus. Same people all the time. Let the non-elitist MUscoop people create their threads.
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People need to stop with this....The Justin thread, recruiting thread, transfer thread all are extremely long and half of it is the same people talking to themselves or talking about Haiku's or claiming Justin is on campus. Same people all the time. Let the non-elitist MUscoop people create their threads.
To talk about the same things in different topics. Dumb.
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To talk about the same things in different topics. Dumb.
OK, Dodds.
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Wrightsil averaged 9 rebounds per game last season. Six, with the jump up in play, is doable on a team that doesn't stress rebounding. MU will play a lot of five out this season.
I agree. I think the 10 will be more difficult than the 6 in this scenario.
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To talk about the same things in different topics. Dumb.
Most of those have digressed into stupid banter at this point. We gotta make scoop great again. BigDaddy was our peak now were just trying to make something happen.
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Wrightsil and Joplin are huge keys to our success imo. If Zach can get 10-12 ppg. 6 rebs or so, and guard multiple spots we could be better than many think. Joplin wasn't ready defensively last year but he has a lot of offensive talent. Ighadoro also had his moments, perhaps we see a big jump come November.
All that said the overall rebounding of this roster is a major question mark. The impact of ZW can't be overstated. He's a guy with seemingly a full arsenal but hasn't played on this level. I think we need to find a way to get another big.
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To talk about the same things in different topics. Dumb.
Are you Fluffy's brother or son? Relax.
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Wouldn't it be great if our existing players had an actual strength and conditioning program. That might help alleviate some of our rebounding woes. Unfortunately Todd's track record suggests that this will not be happening.
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Wouldn't it be great if our existing players had an actual strength and conditioning program. That might help alleviate some of our rebounding woes. Unfortunately Todd's track record suggests that this will not be happening.
Rebounding is just as much about scheme/personnel as it is pure strength. Don't know if Smith pissed in your cheerios or something, but the obsession with trashing him is weird.
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Rebounding is just as much about scheme/personnel as it is pure strength. Don't know if Smith pissed in your cheerios or something, but the obsession with trashing him is weird.
Interesting point. Mitchell might be able to rebound from the guard position a bit. If we pick up Gueye we could be in business.
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Wouldn't it be great if our existing players had an actual strength and conditioning program. That might help alleviate some of our rebounding woes. Unfortunately Todd's track record suggests that this will not be happening.
Why the Todd hate? Pretty sure Shaka would have replaced him if he felt like you do.
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Wasn't Todd around when opposing coaches were saying that Buzz's teams looked like a football team getting off the bus?
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Wasn't Todd around when opposing coaches were saying that Buzz's teams looked like a football team getting off the bus?
https://gomarquette.com/staff-directory/todd-smith/53
Per his bio, next year will be his 16th at MU. If he were the problem, someone would have noticed by now.
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Why the Todd hate? Pretty sure Shaka would have replaced him if he felt like you do.
Todd's awesome - He's not the miracle worker some portray him as. I always chuckle when I read "Give him a year with Todd Smith and he'll be a new man." There's a reason guys under Wojo didn't improve toughness/strength and lots of guys with Buzz/Crean did. It didn't have anything to do with Todd Smith.
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Are you Fluffy's brother or son? Relax.
He's actually a lot closer with Fluffy than his brother or son is.
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Todd's awesome - He's not the miracle worker some portray him as. I always chuckle when I read "Give him a year with Todd Smith and he'll be a new man." There's a reason guys under Wojo didn't improve toughness/strength and lots of guys with Buzz/Crean did. It didn't have anything to do with Todd Smith.
Yep. Coaches set the physical training priorities. Todd just follows the marching orders.
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Wouldn't it be great if our existing players had an actual strength and conditioning program. That might help alleviate some of our rebounding woes. Unfortunately Todd's track record suggests that this will not be happening.
Todd did an incredible job with Justin. Look at his body change between freshman and sophomore . He put lots of muscle on Oso who was skin and bones. Those are two example , there are so many more . Todd does a great job.There is a reason he has kept his job under three separate Head Coaches.
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Positioning has a lot to do with rebounding. What I do not see on this team is a shot blocker.
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Are you Fluffy's brother or son? Relax.
It’s difficult to follow due to all the name changes, but if you read the posts…..there is only one.
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OK, Dodds.
He desperately wants to be a moderator and is auditioning. Hoping to get that shiny deputy’s badge from Rocky.
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If you're expecting an NAIA player to come to the Big East and put up anywhere near 10 and 6 you should really recalibrate expectations.
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If you're expecting an NAIA player to come to the Big East and put up anywhere near 10 and 6 you should really recalibrate expectations.
Duncan Robinson transferred from D3 (which is a lower level of competition than NAIA) to the Big 10 and put up 11.5 and 3.5 in his first season. Not quite 10 and 6 but he was a different style of player than Wrightsil.
Personally, I'm not expecting 10 and 6 from Wrightsil, but I do think he is a Big East level starter. I think we will really like what he brings on defense.
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Wouldn't it be great if our existing players had an actual strength and conditioning program. That might help alleviate some of our rebounding woes. Unfortunately Todd's track record suggests that this will not be happening.
1 year with Todd Smith.
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1 year with Todd Smith.
Aka the miracle man
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If you're expecting an NAIA player to come to the Big East and put up anywhere near 10 and 6 you should really recalibrate expectations.
I mean you could very well be right Hound, but my instincts say that it's not an enormous stretch. There are a number of programs that coveted this kid and he was the NAIA POY. I just don't think Shaka would want him if he didn't feel he could be a high impact player and lessen the blow of potentially losing JLew.
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Wouldn't it be great if our existing players had an actual strength and conditioning program. That might help alleviate some of our rebounding woes. Unfortunately Todd's track record suggests that this will not be happening.
I have no idea how good/bad Todd is. I'm guessing, given the coaches that he's served under, that if he wasn't top-notch he would be gone. What in Todd's track record suggests he can't do his job?
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If you're expecting an NAIA player to come to the Big East and put up anywhere near 10 and 6 you should really recalibrate expectations.
I like his experience as a productive, winning player w/4 yrs under his belt. I like his age. I mentioned to MarquetteMike he’ll go 10/5. I don’t think SS would waste roster space on a 4/1 guy, or thereabouts.
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Y’all better get used to rebounding deficiencies with Shaka as coach
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Y’all better get used to rebounding deficiencies with Shaka as coach
Why would that be?
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I have no idea how good/bad Todd is. I'm guessing, given the coaches that he's served under, that if he wasn't top-notch he would be gone. What in Todd's track record suggests he can't do his job?
As I recall, TC wanted to take him along down to IU,IU, but Todd wanted to stay at MU ! ! ! 8-)
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Why would that be?
All his teams were mediocre to bad at rebounding
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All his teams were mediocre to bad at rebounding
Really? I didn't realize that. When was the last time MU had a dominant rebounder?
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Henry averaged 9.9.
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Henry averaged 9.9.
Fair point Tower. But I can't remember if anyone else on that team could clean the glass. I'd like to snag a Bacot type guy on the roster.
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There are 10-12 available.
No problem.
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There are 10-12 available.
No problem.
They grow on trees
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Fair point Tower. But I can't remember if anyone else on that team could clean the glass. I'd like to snag a Bacot type guy on the roster.
Luke was a good rebounder as well that year.
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All his teams were mediocre to bad at rebounding
Shaka's last five team rankings by TR%
313
51
304
206
175
Marquette at 313 had the second lowest team ranking of any at-large to make the NCAA tournament. The lowest? Miami, who made the Elite 8.
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Henry averaged 9.9.
Well yea, but many of those were easy rebounds.
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If you're expecting an NAIA player to come to the Big East and put up anywhere near 10 and 6 you should really recalibrate expectations.
I understand the concerns, but I suspect he is better than a lot of high schoolers coming into the Big East this year. Wrightsil last year probably was playing against better competition than Chase was last season.
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I understand the concerns, but I suspect he is better than a lot of high schoolers coming into the Big East this year. Wrightsil last year probably was playing against better competition than Chase was last season.
Fair but…If you’re expecting even highly ranked freshman to come in and avg 10 and 6 you should recalibrate expectations.
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If you're expecting an NAIA player to come to the Big East and put up anywhere near 10 and 6 you should really recalibrate expectations.
The only expectation I have of Wrightsil is that he’ll contribute something positive this coming season, or else Shaka wouldn’t have brought him in.
Guessing what specific stats will be from someone none of us has seen, especially someone who played at the NAIA level, is folly.
I only hope Scoop doesn’t pull an O-Max/Reinhardt/Lockett and proclaim Wrightsil to be “worthless” or “trash” if he struggles early. But I know that’s probably asking too damn much.
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The only expectation I have of Wrightsil is that he’ll contribute something positive this coming season, or else Shaka wouldn’t have brought him in.
Guessing what specific stats will be from someone none of us has seen, especially someone who played at the NAIA level, is folly.
I only hope Scoop doesn’t pull an O-Max/Reinhardt/Lockett and proclaim Wrightsil to be “worthless” or “trash” if he struggles early. But I know that’s probably asking too damn much.
Yeah, given the roster makeup, I think the unfortunate outcome seems possible. There's no saying what Wrightsil will contribute, but I have no doubt he can be a great energy guy off the bench. If forced into heavy minutes, I worry (especially if he has to play the 5). Really excited Wrightsil is in Milwaukee, but I hope his role and fan expectations are sensible.
Still a few months left to turn up another contributor or two, but, boy, Shaka is betting big on continuity and culture.
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Scoop fan: Stupid Badgers. I cannot believe they keep winning by recruiting and developing players to their system.
Also Scoop fan: I am disappointed that Shaka is retaining players and trying to develop them.
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Scoop fan: Stupid Badgers. I cannot believe they keep winning by recruiting and developing players to their system.
Also Scoop fan: I am disappointed that Shaka is retaining players and trying to develop them.
This is the second time I've seen this silly trope. UW (Ryan and Gard) have proven that they have a system that works in terms of developing players and getting some wins in the NCAA.
Shaka doesn't yet have that stereotype. Outside of Havok at VCU (so...like 10 years ago), he hasn't developed players or a system to win consistently. Now, I hope his new philosophy works, but at this point comparing him to a "young" Ryan or Gard is as silly as comparing Wojo to a young Jay Wright.
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He is the coach. He has chosen development and culture over roster turnover this year. Either you trust it or you don't.
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UW (Ryan and Gard) have proven that they have a system that works in terms of developing players and getting some wins in the NCAA.
Shaka doesn't yet have that stereotype. Outside of Havok at VCU (so...like 10 years ago), he hasn't developed players or a system to win consistently. Now, I hope his new philosophy works, but at this point comparing him to a "young" Ryan or Gard is as silly as comparing Wojo to a young Jay Wright.
That's fair, rocky.
I think I'm probably more optimistic than you are that Shaka will do well at Marquette, but it's totally reasonable to believe he has a lot to prove as a coach.
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Scoop fan: Stupid Badgers. I cannot believe they keep winning by recruiting and developing players to their system.
Also Scoop fan: I am disappointed that Shaka is retaining players and trying to develop them.
I think continuity and culture is likely more important in college basketball than ever before. I'm glad Shaka is emphasizing both, and I think this likely demonstrates growth as a coach.
I also don't think this roster has a wealth of obvious talent on it. Optimistic about a lot of the young guys, but a lot riding on considerable improvement.
I know it's hard to comprehend that roster continuity and roster talent are not mutually exclusive, but anybody on this board saying the roster couldn't use a bump in talent right now is kidding themselves. There is lots be gained by having mature players with advanced familiarity of both system and teammates, but talent is still a/the primary driver in winning.
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I would love a mauler. One isn't coming.
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I would love a mauler. One isn't coming.
Exactly Tower. I have repeatedly asked for a mauler for at least a decade.
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Theo and Jayce were maulers.
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Luke Fischer was not a mauler?
Theo and Jayce were maulers.
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Not really how I think of him. But I'm not going to fight about it.
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Theo and Jayce were maulers.
Not exactly. We need power players that can inflict damage in a myriad of ways. We get pushed around far too frequently Tower.
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I would love a mauler. One isn't coming.
Go get him Shaka.
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Go get him Shaka.
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2022, 2023 or 24 recruit?
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2022, 2023 or 24 recruit?
Does he have eligibility left?
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There is a d(e)arth of maulers. Sithening.
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There is a d(e)arth of maulers. Sithening.
Besides Mo Lucas who's the biggest badass we've ever had?
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Besides Mo Lucas who's the biggest badass we've ever had?
Joe Nethen
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Besides Mo Lucas who's the biggest badass we've ever had?
Lucas is a really creative director, but I don't know if he's a badass
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Lucas is a really creative director, but I don't know if he's a badass
Come again? I believe he was not someone people messed with. Maybe it's time for a Confederacy of Badasses?
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Besides Mo Lucas who's the biggest badass we've ever had?
Id still go with Mo
But you did not mess with Lackey (the Black Swan)
Just ask South Carolina!!
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Id still go with Mo
But you did not mess with Lackey (the Black Swan)
Just ask South Carolina!!
Oh....right. Awesome nickname too.
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Come again? I believe he was not someone people messed with. Maybe it's time for a Confederacy of Badasses?
Got lost in the translation?
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Besides Mo Lucas who's the biggest badass we've ever had?
Lucas definitely was #1 Tough guys who could play included (off the top of my head) Bob Lackey, Jerome Whitehead, Brian Brunkhorst, Jae Crowder and JFB. Tough guys who couldn’t play? Hughie McMahon and Joe Nethen.
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Lucas definitely was #1 Tough guys who could play included (off the top of my head) Bob Lackey, Jerome Whitehead, Brian Brunkhorst, Jae Crowder and JFB. Tough guys who couldn’t play? Hughie McMahon and Joe Nethen.
I'm looking for a guy like Montrez Harrell or Steven Adams. Just someone who can set mean screens and quell our opponents' physicality.
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Al.
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Come again? I believe he was not someone people messed with. Maybe it's time for a Confederacy of Badasses?
Pretty sure he's an old fat guy
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Lenny
I like your list of tough guys who could not play. Hugh is a great guy, but probably better guy than basketball player.
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David Boone and Robert Byrd
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Lenny
I like your list of tough guys who could not play. Hugh is a great guy, but probably better guy than basketball player.
Robert Byrd is the epitome of class and rebounding machine
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David Boone and Robert Byrd
Agree on both.
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Byrd was two years ahead of me at Marquette and I got to know him a little when he was a senior and I was a sophomore. He was the best player on the team and, as dajudge says, a real class act.
I'd love it if every Marquette team for the rest of my life has a player like Robert Byrd on it.
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Byrd was two years ahead of me at Marquette and I got to know him a little when he was a senior and I was a sophomore. He was the best player on the team and, as dajudge says, a real class act.
I'd love it if every Marquette team for the rest of my life has a player like Robert Byrd on it.
Amen
Last I knew Robert was running the golf program for disadvantaged kids on 16/17 and kilbourn but I have not seen him for several years
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Amen
Last I knew Robert was running the golf program for disadvantaged kids on 16/17 and kilbourn but I have not seen him for several years
Sounds like him.
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Amen
Last I knew Robert was running the golf program for disadvantaged kids on 16/17 and kilbourn but I have not seen him for several years
I drive home from work that way occasionally (it's actually on State Street) and I saw him getting out of his car there one afternoon a few weeks ago so I assumed he's still working that program.
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Id still go with Mo
But you did not mess with Lackey (the Black Swan)
Just ask South Carolina!!
I do not remember what Lackey weighed. My memory says Lucas was 6-8 1/2 225 lbs. He was very strong for that era. Today he would be pushed around. Ellis was 6'9" 190. In the early 70's players were not weight lifting. Players today are much stronger.
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I do not remember what Lackey weighed. My memory says Lucas was 6-8 1/2 225 lbs. He was very strong for that era. Today he would be pushed around. Ellis was 6'9" 190. In the early 70's players were not weight lifting. Players today are much stronger.
You don’t think that if Mo Lucas played today he’d lift weights to get as strong as possible?
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Are we still involved with Gueye?
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Are we still involved with Gueye?
No, he’s going back to Washington State
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No, he’s going back to Washington State
Damn.