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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: MuggsyB on May 21, 2022, 08:13:18 AM
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Lewis? Will we know by June 1st? Do we have hammer type auxiliary options if he bolts? I'm starting to feel a little anxiety. TY.
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You should mentally prepare for life without Lewis and for MU to ride with what we have.
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Lewis? Will we know by June 1st? Do we have hammer type auxiliary options if he bolts? I'm starting to feel a little anxiety. TY.
The future is bright . We have lots of players ready to step up.
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Trying to imagine this team being any good without Lewis. It’s tough. Another disappointing offseason from Shaka IMO.
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Trying to imagine this team being any good without Lewis. It’s tough. Another disappointing offseason from Shaka IMO.
In agreement with this sentiment. I always defer to the benefit of the doubt, but I don’t see a ton on this roster. However, I felt the same way last year. If OMax is getting legit NBA talk, that does ease some concern. Lace ‘em up!
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Trying to imagine this team being any good without Lewis. It’s tough. Another disappointing offseason from Shaka IMO.
Last off-season was disappointing to you?
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I am more optimistic than I was a year ago. An offseason of development and stability.
I may actually have expectations next season.
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"The best thing about Freshmen is they become Sophomores " Al
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Most likely is no Lewis and no new additions. Maybe we get Ramey or Gueye. Either way, I think we're better next season than last season
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We have a lot of good pieces. We just don’t see the big time recruits landing here, which is either a plan to go after other type players, or it’s tougher to land them at Marquette for Shaka and team. Wojo landed some big time recruits. Just didn’t know what to do with them lol.
We will see….
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Most likely is no Lewis and no new additions. Maybe we get Ramey or Gueye. Either way, I think we're better next season than last season
Care to expound on that? I do think we will get growth and development from our returning guys but losing Lewis would be a significant loss. I think with him we could do some solid damage in March/April. I'm excited about Jones squared.
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I agree with TAMU. Significant leaps by the returnees even without Lewis. We would for sure be better with him, but I’m not writing off next season at all.
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Last off-season was disappointing to you?
Yeah. The only guy he brought in that was an immediate impact player was Morsell and a nice project in OMAX. We badly needed an impact big and Kur was not good. Just wasn’t that impressed and other than a 2-3 week stretch of great ball in Jan, the team really wasn’t very good. It was his first season and definitely deserves plenty of rope; I guess I just had higher hopes for a better team when he was hired.
This offseason hasn’t been good at all from my admittedly not super tuned in vantage point. Seems like next season pretty much solely relies on retaining a guy who seems set on going pro. Not ideal.
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Most likely is no Lewis and no new additions. Maybe we get Ramey or Gueye. Either way, I think we're better next season than last season
It is very difficult for me to envision us being better than last year without Lewis or another impact transfer like Ramey. In fact, with the current make up of the roster I’m not sure we even make the tournament. Would be delighted to be proven wrong though
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Lewis? Will we know by June 1st? Do we have hammer type auxiliary options if he bolts? I'm starting to feel a little anxiety. TY.
Lewis is gone.
We told you that in the other thread.
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Lewis is gone.
We told you that in the other thread.
It's official? FK.
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Yeah. The only guy he brought in that was an immediate impact player was Morsell and a nice project in OMAX. We badly needed an impact big and Kur was not good. Just wasn’t that impressed and other than a 2-3 week stretch of great ball in Jan, the team really wasn’t very good. It was his first season and definitely deserves plenty of rope; I guess I just had higher hopes for a better team when he was hired.
This offseason hasn’t been good at all from my admittedly not super tuned in vantage point. Seems like next season pretty much solely relies on retaining a guy who seems set on going pro. Not ideal.
You are lost. He brought in 4 starters on an 8 seed. That's not even including the 1st Team All Big East player and 1st Team All Freshman player he retained.
Get outta here.
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Any idea if Ramey is a possibility?
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My biggest concern is rebounding. A bad rebounding team last year and Lewis, the best rebounder, is likely gone.
Maybe Wrightsil and Gold can help on the boards. We will have to wait and see.
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My biggest concern is rebounding. A bad rebounding team last year and Lewis, the best rebounder, is likely gone.
Maybe Wrightsil and Gold can help on the boards. We will have to wait and see.
Good point JAM. Significant concern.
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50 pts a game disappointing?
Trying to imagine this team being any good without Lewis. It’s tough. Another disappointing offseason from Shaka IMO.
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Yeah. The only guy he brought in that was an immediate impact player was Morsell and a nice project in OMAX. We badly needed an impact big and Kur was not good. Just wasn’t that impressed and other than a 2-3 week stretch of great ball in Jan, the team really wasn’t very good. It was his first season and definitely deserves plenty of rope; I guess I just had higher hopes for a better team when he was hired.
This offseason hasn’t been good at all from my admittedly not super tuned in vantage point. Seems like next season pretty much solely relies on retaining a guy who seems set on going pro. Not ideal.
You can't just ignore that he brought in a dude who started 32 games and led the conference in assists. No mention of Kolek, even to irrationally destroy him, is bizarre.
Almost as bizarre as choosing "deserves plenty of rope" as a turn of phrase to describe Shaka's first season.
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Is there some kind of annual monetary award for starting the most new threads that I don’t know about?
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Yeah. The only guy he brought in that was an immediate impact player was Morsell and a nice project in OMAX. We badly needed an impact big and Kur was not good. Just wasn’t that impressed and other than a 2-3 week stretch of great ball in Jan, the team really wasn’t very good. It was his first season and definitely deserves plenty of rope; I guess I just had higher hopes for a better team when he was hired.
This offseason hasn’t been good at all from my admittedly not super tuned in vantage point. Seems like next season pretty much solely relies on retaining a guy who seems set on going pro. Not ideal.
I liked the results last year...wasn't expecting to be in the tourney...and UNC did to us what they did to many...including Baylor until and epic reffing job.
2 wins against Nova.
Players that rep MU well.
Would have been screwed without Kur...so I chose to thank him for joining us rather than trash him.
Can't wait to see what Shaka is able to do over the next few years.
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I am more optimistic than I was a year ago. An offseason of development and stability.
I may actually have expectations next season.
I agree. I think an extra year in the system for some guys with added chemistry will make for a better team. It would be great if that team included Lewis, but I think we have some talent from last year that will benefit from more experience.
It’s also possible our recruits are underrated based on what Covid did for the services ability to watch guys.
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This coming season no Matta. 5 years 2 judge
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My biggest concern is rebounding. A bad rebounding team last year and Lewis, the best rebounder, is likely gone.
Maybe Wrightsil and Gold can help on the boards. We will have to wait and see.
I mean nearly every single Tom Crean and Buzz Williams teams were worse at defensive rebounding than last years team.
Marquette was 4-1 in its 5 worst defensive rebounding games. Illinois, Providence H, Depaul H, Seton Hall H, Uconn A.
It's an issue offensively. Not defensively.
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I agree. I think an extra year in the system for some guys with added chemistry will make for a better team. It would be great if that team included Lewis, but I think we have some talent from last year that will benefit from more experience.
It’s also possible our recruits are underrated based on what Covid did for the services ability to watch guys.
Your last sentence is what I’m hoping for as well. I’m taking the Goose approach and trusting Shaka to bring in legitimate high major players no matter what they are ranked and coaching them up.
It’s in Shaka’s control. We’ll find out soon enough if the foundation he is building is mediocre or an NCAA tournament contender.
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I think our chances of being competitive for a National Title in the next 5 years are absolutely NIL.
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Is there some kind of annual monetary award for starting the most new threads that I don’t know about?
…….and most questions asked.
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Next man up, aina?
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Next man up, aina?
Doesn’t that apply to when all players leave?
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It does. The circle of life.
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Lewis? Will we know by June 1st? Do we have hammer type auxiliary options if he bolts? I'm starting to feel a little anxiety. TY.
LOL. Relax and enjoy life a little more. I for one am very excited about next year, whether Lewis stays or not. I am happy to see there are at least a few others on this thread that can picture us being better next year than this year, which is more than enough to ask for in year two. Excellent freshmen that showed a ton of potential becoming sophomores this year (where oftentimes Division I athletes improve the most), continued development of players like Omax and Kolek and Oso, some exciting newcomers coming in, a full year for team chemistry to develop, etc., etc. I feel we overachieved last year despite so many obstacles and this year there are less obstacles and more continuity taking place. Top 5 seed next year is very realistic to me, but keep feeling anxious if you must. I guess summer time is meant to be feeling anxious about Marquette basketball, instead of enjoying yourself. See you next November.
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It's official? FK.
We are doomed MUBB going the way of MU Football
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We are going 2 B fine. PERIOD!
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In agreement with this sentiment. I always defer to the benefit of the doubt, but I don’t see a ton on this roster. However, I felt the same way last year. If OMax is getting legit NBA talk, that does ease some concern. Lace ‘em up!
2.5 and 6.6 ppg on middling teams in first two years is “getting legit NBA talk?” The Netherlands Basketball Association?
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2.5 and 6.6 ppg on middling teams in first two years is “getting legit NBA talk?” The Netherlands Basketball Association?
So chico like.
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LOL. Relax and enjoy life a little more. I for one am very excited about next year, whether Lewis stays or not. I am happy to see there are at least a few others on this thread that can picture us being better next year than this year, which is more than enough to ask for in year two. Excellent freshmen that showed a ton of potential becoming sophomores this year (where oftentimes Division I athletes improve the most), continued development of players like Omax and Kolek and Oso, some exciting newcomers coming in, a full year for team chemistry to develop, etc., etc. I feel we overachieved last year despite so many obstacles and this year there are less obstacles and more continuity taking place. Top 5 seed next year is very realistic to me, but keep feeling anxious if you must. I guess summer time is meant to be feeling anxious about Marquette basketball, instead of enjoying yourself. See you next November.
Hey, this year's freshmen will be next year's freshmen. Just ask Marquette. So will this year's sophomores and juniors!
But seriously, love the optimism. Looking forward to seeing what we have next season.
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Hey, this year's freshmen will be next year's freshmen. Just ask Marquette. So will this year's sophomores and juniors!
I've heard MU's team will be younger than most middle school frosh teams next year!
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2.5 and 6.6 ppg on middling teams in first two years is “getting legit NBA talk?” The Netherlands Basketball Association?
Givony having him in a mock draft this early clearly indicates he’s on NBA radars
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I am extremely optimistic about the upcoming season and beyond. Not having a traditional transfer out this season says a lot about Shaka and the program he is building. I fully expected that we would lose a guy or two, simply because that is the nature of college basketball today, and keeping the core is victory in itself.
As for Omax, I have been high on him since the first time I saw him play and got higher on him every step of last season. He is high motor guy, an athlete and has some real basketball skills. There were several times he took a defensive rebound and went coast to coast and he looked like an NBA guy already. I am going to enjoy him this season because I think it will be his last one at MU.
Lastly, as I stated in another thread, I have complete confidence that Shaka can flat out recruit and knows what he is doing. He did not bring in one player last year that made me wonder if he knew what he is doing. I have expectations for the new guys, but am counting a big uptick in performance with the returning guys. Will say it again, OMax is going to have a major breakout season and looking forward to watching him play.
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Givony having him in a mock draft this early clearly indicates he’s on NBA radars
Yessir. At this point a year ago, Lewis was just starting to get mentioned as a potential NBA player despite having averaged only 7.8 ppg as a freshman.
The key word to that sentence is "potential," and O-Max does have potential. Now it's up to him to great improve his stock, just as Justin did as a freshmore/sophman.
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I am extremely optimistic about the upcoming season and beyond. Not having a traditional transfer out this season says a lot about Shaka and the program he is building. I fully expected that we would lose a guy or two, simply because that is the nature of college basketball today, and keeping the core is victory in itself.
As for Omax, I have been high on him since the first time I saw him play and got higher on him every step of last season. He is high motor guy, an athlete and has some real basketball skills. There were several times he took a defensive rebound and went coast to coast and he looked like an NBA guy already. I am going to enjoy him this season because I think it will be his last one at MU.
Lastly, as I stated in another thread, I have complete confidence that Shaka can flat out recruit and knows what he is doing. He did not bring in one player last year that made me wonder if he knew what he is doing. I have expectations for the new guys, but am counting a big uptick in performance with the returning guys. Will say it again, OMax is going to have a major breakout season and looking forward to watching him play.
Probably because other teams didn't want them, and the only traditional in the rotation is Kolek. But seriously, I'm very much looking for OMax to have a big jump in his development, he kept improving all year long.
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Goose,
I sincerely hope your optimism is realistic and not just an attempt to will a good program into reality. Your optimism is infectious but I’m a little more reserved in mine. I think the lack of portal moves this year was telling. Shaka must have confidence in the returning players and the few freshman he brought in. He know first hand now the talent needed to be in the upper echelon of the Big East. If his instincts on these players are correct we should see results next year. And if that happens, I’ll be all in just like you.
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Shooter
If I think Shaka is the wrong guy or not getting it done, I will be one of the first to point it out. Last year was a good start to the Shaka era and the bar is higher going into next season. Imo, if Shaka thought the returning guys were not up to the task he would have nudged some out or recruited over guys, and he did not do it.
Hey, I could be proven wrong, but I think Shaka has a plan and can execute on it. TAMU mentioned often about creating culture and having everyone back looks like seven guys bought in on the culture. Now, 1-2 guys need a big step forward and things are looking good.
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Shooter
If I think Shaka is the wrong guy or not getting it done, I will be one of the first to point it out. Last year was a good start to the Shaka era and the bar is higher going into next season. Imo, if Shaka thought the returning guys were not up to the task he would have nudged some out or recruited over guys, and he did not do it.
Hey, I could be proven wrong, but I think Shaka has a plan and can execute on it. TAMU mentioned often about creating culture and having everyone back looks like seven guys bought in on the culture. Now, 1-2 guys need a big step forward and things are looking good.
Yeah I agree with what you said earlier about him being confident in guys we brought in. He didnt even recruit Kam and Stevie, should be pretty telling that he made it a point to keep them on board. And both showed definite flashes of why.
Thing I find funny is like in most things people pick and choose when they want to complain about differing ends of something in sports.
1 moment everyone will bitch about how FA style transfers will ruin the game. There will be no program continuity. Every year will be like starting over and reloaded while never developing talent.
Then, our coach almost completely ignores the portal. Retains his entire roster sans a guy who is going Pro and a guy who we knew would be gone for year 15. And now people are super doom and gloom about that.
I get it, probably a happy medium. Keep near everyone and add 1 or 2 major impact guys. But its hard to be upset that our coach is confident in his roster and wanted to keep EVERYONE. I mean just a couple years ago with a normal transfer process, we all would have been doing cartwheels at keeping the roster.
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Some people aren't happy unless they are unhappy.
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Agreed PGs, the best case scenario every year is to have upper tier talent on your roster that doesn’t leave and every once in a while pick up a need through the portal.
We’ll see this year if the talent evaluation and development by Shaka is on point. I’m cautiously optimistic and ready to be all in.
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Like Goose and some others, I'm an optimist about our future, including next season.
Having said that, I'm a little surprised Shaka hasn't added a big-impact transfer for the upcoming season, especially given Lewis' situation. But there are still a few good ones available, and Justin hasn't officially left yet, so maybe Shaka still has some tricks up his sleeve.
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Like Goose and some others, I'm an optimist about our future, including next season.
Having said that, I'm a little surprised Shaka hasn't added a big-impact transfer for the upcoming season, especially given Lewis' situation. But there are still a few good ones available, and Justin hasn't officially left yet, so maybe Shaka still has some tricks up his sleeve.
with Lewis taking his lethargic, low energy game to the GLeague, MU will dance to round 2 next March.
Yeah!
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Not sure why you guys are arguing.
We'll know how good next year's team will be just as soon as KenPom tells us.
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I am extremely optimistic about the upcoming season and beyond. Not having a traditional transfer out this season says a lot about Shaka and the program he is building. I fully expected that we would lose a guy or two, simply because that is the nature of college basketball today, and keeping the core is victory in itself.
As for Omax, I have been high on him since the first time I saw him play and got higher on him every step of last season. He is high motor guy, an athlete and has some real basketball skills. There were several times he took a defensive rebound and went coast to coast and he looked like an NBA guy already. I am going to enjoy him this season because I think it will be his last one at MU.
Lastly, as I stated in another thread, I have complete confidence that Shaka can flat out recruit and knows what he is doing. He did not bring in one player last year that made me wonder if he knew what he is doing. I have expectations for the new guys, but am counting a big uptick in performance with the returning guys. Will say it again, OMax is going to have a major breakout season and looking forward to watching him play.
I am also happy that we did not have transfers out. However, it is a two edge sword. How do you being in players when you do not have scholarships available?
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Where are we?
Where, where, where, where?
Where are we?
Where, where, where, where?
(I really wanna know!)
Come on tell me where are we? (Where are we? Where, where, where, where?)
Oh, where the f^ck are we? (Where are we? Where, where, where, where?)
From the famed band, The Where.
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Downtown Milwaukee.
I believe in season to season development. I believe there is enough returning talent to be better next year than last.
I believe the keys to the season are going to be Osa, Keeyan, and OMP. If they reach their potential AND rebound, this will be a fun team.
As always, anything from the freshmen will be gravy.
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I mean nearly every single Tom Crean and Buzz Williams teams were worse at defensive rebounding than last years team.
It's an issue offensively. Not defensively.
Not true Re: Buzz, and with Crean you need to understand the game has changed. MU’s def rebounding ranked #314 in the nation. Crean never was in the 300’s, and Buzz was only once (2011-12, #302) when we had no size (Otule played in only 8 games), but other than d-boards the defense was great.
In 2021-22, the avg def reb % was 71.9%. In Crean’s last season as well as Buzz’s first, it was only 65.5%
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Who knows what to expect at that point?
Ben Gold and Sean Jones could turn out to be superstars.
For me, the best part about college hoops is seeing players make a jump from the previous season or being surprised by players you didn't know much about.
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Who knows what to expect at that point?
Ben Gold and Sean Jones could turn out to be superstars.
For me, the best part about college hoops is seeing players make a jump from the previous season or being surprised by players you didn't know much about.
Agree with this post. For some reason I feel there are low expectations from Scoopers about Ben Gold, and perhaps thats a function of the past International traditionals lacking impact - Froling/Berkowitz.
The staff seems really high on Gold and like his athleticism/skill set. I think he'll be a pleasant surprise during his time at MU. Sean Jones also seems to have a lot of potential as well.
Lastly it will be fun to see the progress all of the returnees have made. Personally, I was impressed we didn't have a transfer out. Great to see that the players are buying what the staff is selling.
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Not true Re: Buzz, and with Crean you need to understand the game has changed. MU’s def rebounding ranked #314 in the nation. Crean never was in the 300’s, and Buzz was only once (2011-12, #302) when we had no size (Otule played in only 8 games), but other than d-boards the defense was great.
In 2021-22, the avg def reb % was 71.9%. In Crean’s last season as well as Buzz’s first, it was only 65.5%
More often when i bring this up, its to articulate that it really isn't a priority. Shaka's defensive style post VCU has incorporated a lot of switching, forcing more difficult shots and giving up rebounding. A style continually being used in these NBA playoffs. I think its smart.
I don't know if it will necessarily improve/ nor will it ever become a priority that some fans want it to be. Shakas DRB% ranks at Texas were 154th, 330th, 239th, 199th, 261st, and 281st. It's over emphasized by people who solely associate the counting stat Marquette is bad at as the largest factor contributing to Marquettes loses.
I am significantly more worried with our inability to get to the line last year and get on the offensive boards. I think some of this will be helped by losing our two most frequent midrange shooters last year. Maybe Wrightsil at the 4 will be willing to take more risks than lewis did with slightly faster foot speed. Morsell and Kur's NET ratings/RAPMs were not significantly impactful. Omax and Oso were both considered 'better'. Oso had a 48.3 FTR in conference play. Omax's was okay at 26.9.
But Lewis is so good that it is likely me just using rose colored glasses.
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Where are we?
Where, where, where, where?
Where are we?
Where, where, where, where?
(I really wanna know!)
Come on tell me where are we? (Where are we? Where, where, where, where?)
Oh, where the f^ck are we? (Where are we? Where, where, where, where?)
From the famed band, The Where.
Where are you going with this?
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I think it’s (Kenpom rank + Value Add rank) / 2 and it’s locked in stone….
Not sure why you guys are arguing.
We'll know how good next year's team will be just as soon as KenPom tells us.
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More often when i bring this up, its to articulate that it really isn't a priority.
Is this code for, “you’re correct, my statements were not facts”?
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Is this code for, “you’re correct, my statements were not facts”?
You got your panties in a bunch over me using % of rebounds taken down over the ranking of % of rebounds relative to other D1 teams in the middle of May. Find someone other than a Scoop poster to stroke your ego.
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You got your panties in a bunch over me using % of rebounds taken down over the ranking of % of rebounds relative to other D1 teams in the middle of May. Find someone other than a Scoop poster to stroke your ego.
Is this code for, “I said non factual nonsense and got called out for it”?
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Add me to the group that thinks O-Max is going to break out. I'm super bullish on his future.
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Add me to the group that thinks O-Max is going to break out. I'm super bullish on his future.
He needs to increase his production on the glass. Maybe we can get 15 and 8?
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I keep thinking Jamil Wilson skills and Juan Toscano Anderson motor. 15 is more likely than 8
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Add me to the group that thinks O-Max is going to break out.
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^^^ sus
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43°02'14.6"N 87°55'55.8"W
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43°02'14.6"N 87°55'55.8"W
Haha...technically...We Are!
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You are lost. He brought in 4 starters on an 8 seed. That's not even including the 1st Team All Big East player and 1st Team All Freshman player he retained.
Get outta here.
Yeah, I am lost in watching a program not win a tournament game since I was 22. I turn 32 next month. I've watched a lot of crapty basketball since I graduated from MU; sorry I had higher hopes on quick turn around with Shaka than you did. The team sucked for most of the season outside of catching fire for a few weeks and then going back to sucking immediately thereafter, then limping into March and getting our doors blown off in the first round.
Like I said....Shaka deserves plenty of rope and he'll get it. I just don't think the team next season is going to be better than last year's team when you subtract its best player and replace him with a guy who wasn't even playing D1 last year. Apologies that hurts your feelings.
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Yeah, I am lost in watching a program not win a tournament game since I was 22. I turn 32 next month.
Poor baby…
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Yeah, I am lost in watching a program not win a tournament game since I was 22. I turn 32 next month. I've watched a lot of crapty basketball since I graduated from MU; sorry I had higher hopes on quick turn around with Shaka than you did. The team sucked for most of the season outside of catching fire for a few weeks and then going back to sucking immediately thereafter, then limping into March and getting our doors blown off in the first round.
Like I said....Shaka deserves plenty of rope and he'll get it. I just don't think the team next season is going to be better than last year's team when you subtract its best player and replace him with a guy who wasn't even playing D1 last year. Apologies that hurts your feelings.
H: SIUE: W
H: New Hampshire: W
H: Illinois: L
N:Ole Miss (Charleston): L
N:Charleston game 2: W (Elon)
N: Charleston game 3: W (Temple)
H: Northern Illinois: W
H: Jackson St: W
A: UW-Madison Extension: L
A: Kansas St: L
H: UCLA: L
—BE CONF GAMES—
A: Xavier: L
H: UConn: L
A: St John’s: L
H: Creighton: W
H: providence: W
A: Georgetown L
H: DePaul: W
H: Seton Hall: L
A: Nova L
H: Xavier L
A: Seton hall L
A: providence L
H: Nova: L
A: UConn: L
A: butler: L
H: Georgetown: W
A: Creighton: L
H: butler: W
A: DePaul: L
H: St. John’s: L
Total W-L: 6-5 non-conf; 5-15 Big East - OVERALL: 11-20 (tied 10th in Big East)
Biggest impact player: Justin Lewis Big East Honorable Mention.
You spent all last offseason whining about how bad this team was going to be and after wildly exceeding your expectations you're still whining. Yawn indeed.
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You spent all last offseason whining about how bad this team was going to be and after wildly exceeding your expectations you're still whining. Yawn indeed.
Lol. That’s great.
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You spent all last offseason whining about how bad this team was going to be and after wildly exceeding your expectations you're still whining. Yawn indeed.
Well done.
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You spent all last offseason whining about how bad this team was going to be and after wildly exceeding your expectations you're still whining. Yawn indeed.
Haha—well done.
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You spent all last offseason whining about how bad this team was going to be and after wildly exceeding your expectations you're still whining. Yawn indeed.
RECEIPTS
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You spent all last offseason whining about how bad this team was going to be and after wildly exceeding your expectations you're still whining. Yawn indeed.
We need to upgrade you from a small to a Big Gulp.
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Yeah, I am lost in watching a program not win a tournament game since I was 22. I turn 32 next month. I've watched a lot of crapty basketball since I graduated from MU; sorry I had higher hopes on quick turn around with Shaka than you did. The team sucked for most of the season outside of catching fire for a few weeks and then going back to sucking immediately thereafter, then limping into March and getting our doors blown off in the first round.
Like I said....Shaka deserves plenty of rope and he'll get it. I just don't think the team next season is going to be better than last year's team when you subtract its best player and replace him with a guy who wasn't even playing D1 last year. Apologies that hurts your feelings.
I was no fan of Wojo but if you REALLY want to see bad MU basketball, may I direct you to the Dukiet years?
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You spent all last offseason whining about how bad this team was going to be and after wildly exceeding your expectations you're still whining. Yawn indeed.
Beautiful
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Lol. That’s great.
Except, the team did suck the 2nd half of last season.
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Except, the team did suck the 2nd half of last season.
Second half of the conference season was rough. So first quarter ok. Second promising. Start of conf season dicey. Then a tear-amazing. Then meh to end.
It was a very successful season. Peaked too soon but fun.
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Except, the team did suck the 2nd half of last season.
They went 8-7 in the second half of last season including two wins over Villanova.
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They went 8-7 in the second half of last season including two wins over Villanova.
Happy that you enjoyed it!
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Happy that you enjoyed it!
Ban COLE!
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They went 8-7 in the second half of last season including two wins over Villanova.
I think he meant the second half of the conference season. We sucked against the easier part of our conference schedule.
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I think he meant the second half of the conference season. We sucked against the easier part of our conference schedule.
5-4 second time they played a team. 5-5 if you count Creighton a third time.
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5-4 second time they played a team. 5-5 if you count Creighton a third time.
Given the talent on the roster, that’s pretty solid. Here’s to hoping the talent Shaka has been adding is under the radar/underrated, because the issue was more a lack of talent than a poorly coached team.
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5-4 second time they played a team. 5-5 if you count Creighton a third time.
All these near .500 numbers are making me dizzy. Marquette went 4-7 over their last 11.
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All these near .500 numbers are making me dizzy. Marquette went 4-7 over their last 11.
And 0-1 our last one, and 1-4 in December, unbelievable.
How about look at the entire season, 19-13 with an NCAA appearance in a year where very few expected one. Should it be our ceiling? No. Was it an acceptable year one based on the roster construction, overall talent, and general expectations of where the team was projected to be by both computers (cue Point Warrior taking a shot at kenpom), and "experts? I'd think so, although it's a subjective take. I expect improvement next year, both from individuals as well as the team as a whole.
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Looking at the total body of work in Shaka Year 1, I'm reasonably satisfied with how it turned out. It was better than I thought it would be going in, though I was a little disappointed after having re-set my expectations the first week of February.
I'm expecting more in Shaka Year 2 ... but I'm a little wary because Texas fans almost surely were looking positively toward Shaka Year 2 in Austin, as well.
Now, if Shaka Year 2 at MU turns out similarly to Shaka Year 2 at VCU ... we'd be digging that! Though I'm guessing some Scoopers would still find reasons to whine.
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My expectations for this year are much higher than I had going into last season. Last year I thought the Shaka factor and guys buying in would lead to a NCAA berth. Next season, I am expecting them to play like an NCAA for much of the season, not just a month or so. With or without Lewis, I think there is enough returning talent to be a much better team this upcoming season.
As for Shaka as coach, if Shaka is not a better coach than he was in year two at Texas we hired the wrong guy. He has been a HC most of his adult life and has done so at a high level and better be ready to deliver the goods come November. His ability to keep the core together said all I needed to know going into next season. The bar has been raised and no excuses moving forward.
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Was it an acceptable year one based on the roster construction, overall talent, and general expectations of where the team was projected to be by both computers (cue Point Warrior taking a shot at kenpom), and "experts? I'd think so,
Generally agree. They also wildly exceeded expectations (talent?) in the middle of the season. But the last half, imo, they kinda sucked.
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2.5 and 6.6 ppg on middling teams in first two years is “getting legit NBA talk?” The Netherlands Basketball Association?
National Basketball Association
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Other than my unbridled enthusiasm for Keeyan, I did pretty good.
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with Lewis taking his lethargic, low energy game to the GLeague, MU will dance to round 2 next March.
Yeah!
Nailed it!
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Have to give credit where it is due. Goose is an All-American MU prognosticator and handicapper. Few came close to even hinting at banners being hung in Shaka Year2. Goose almost expected it. Bravo. Grade: 5 ⭐️
Tower’s prediction lacked only the bold, brazen moxie of Goose, and for that he gets “only” a 4.5 ⭐️ Grade. These two sharp basketball minds write with alacrity, wit, and sooth-saying brilliance. Their high “value-add” posts always represent the best of Scoop.
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Have to give credit where it is due. Goose is an All-American MU prognosticator and handicapper. Few came close to even hinting at banners being hung in Shaka Year2. Goose almost expected it. Bravo. Grade: 5 ⭐️
Tower’s prediction lacked only the bold, brazen moxie of Goose, and for that he gets “only” a 4.5 ⭐️ Grade. These two sharp basketball minds write with alacrity, wit, and sooth-saying brilliance. Their high “value-add” posts always represent the best of Scoop.
I agree. Goose had it down right off the bat. Tower wanted to wait a year before fully getting on board but always maintained it would happen by year two after he’s the saw the first year. Had to put his hand in the wounds first. Good stuff.
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Back to my original question. Where are we as far as auxiliary options? It appears OMax will probably not return. Who's out there?
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Back to my original question. Where are we as far as auxiliary options? It appears OMax will probably not return. Who's out there?
Arthur Kaluma and Grant Nelson would be ideal fits.
However, as many have pointed out, it is unlikely they look to add anyone that will have an impact that we all hope. Joplin, Gold, Amadou are next up.
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Arthur Kaluma and Grant Nelson would be ideal fits.
However, as many have pointed out, it is unlikely they look to add anyone that will have an impact that we all hope. Joplin, Gold, Amadou are next up.
I mean.... if we're doing "ideal fits" its after Omax...
1. Julian Phillips
Gap
2. Olivier Nkamhoua
Gap
3. And then the weird group of guys like Grant Nelson, Kaluma, Aziz Bandaogo, David Jones if he could get a waiver.
But honestly Joplin is fine over most of the group... so just look for a 10-20 mpg forward.
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Jones could be interesting if he's okay being a lower usage guy.
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Jones could be interesting if he's okay being a lower usage guy.
Yea… but he’s gonna slip between the cracks and be a steal for someone because he kinda can’t shoot. And likely can’t get a waiver at his third BE school. But we’ll see.
His defense was probably underrated. Everywhere. Grabbed many boards with Soriano hoarding the glass (sometimes to his teams detriment).
His offense would be fine with us. Even if he never cracked 32% from three, he could have like a 110 o Rtg with less usage.
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I mean.... if we're doing "ideal fits" its after Omax...
1. Julian Phillips
Gap
2. Olivier Nkamhoua
Gap
3. And then the weird group of guys like Grant Nelson, Kaluma, Aziz Bandaogo, David Jones if he could get a waiver.
But honestly Joplin is fine over most of the group... so just look for a 10-20 mpg forward.
If Phillips comes back, he would be my top pick for sure. And agree on Nkamhoua. He's a good comparable fit in terms of much of what O-Max did. Those two seem like the best defensive options, though I suspect their defensive acumen may be boosted by Tennessee's overall team defensive success.
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If Phillips comes back, he would be my top pick for sure. And agree on Nkamhoua. He's a good comparable fit in terms of much of what O-Max did. Those two seem like the best defensive options, though I suspect their defensive acumen may be boosted by Tennessee's overall team defensive success.
Ty Brew. Priorities 1,2, and 3 is to find a player who can defensively guard multiple positions AND in a perfect world CLEAN THE GLASS/help Oso. I understand this isn't easy but I'm sure Shaka was prepared for this situation. We can replace O-Max's scoring but it's on the defensive end where we need all hands on deck and must relentlessly pursue formidable options.
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How ready is Amadou? Can the kid be an immediate impact guy? I'd like to see him click up to the 215 lbs range minimum.
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He is a freshman. Anything MU gets from him next season is gravy
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It would be nice to get a big to play behind Oso so Gold can just play forward. Amadeu will get more time then you think if they do not recruit another player.
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He is a freshman. Anything MU gets from him next season is gravy
Some Frosh need more time to develop than others.
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It would be nice to get a big to play behind Oso so Gold can just play forward. Amadeu will get more time then you think if they do not recruit another player.
Jop is a capable rebounder. He's not an explosive athlete in the O-Max league but I do think he will find a way to be better on the defensive end while still draining buckets for us.
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https://twitter.com/bensteelemjs/status/1659339019015053313?s=61&t=oxKt9dJanWbf2R2I8WSzJw
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https://twitter.com/bensteelemjs/status/1659339019015053313?s=61&t=oxKt9dJanWbf2R2I8WSzJw
Hmmmm.....alright.
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If Phillips comes back, he would be my top pick for sure. And agree on Nkamhoua. He's a good comparable fit in terms of much of what O-Max did. Those two seem like the best defensive options, though I suspect their defensive acumen may be boosted by Tennessee's overall team defensive success.
oh most certainly. I don't expect either to come back, and if either of them did. I expect an Arizona to throw some decent money at either of them, especially if they arn't sold on Kaluma (rumor).
I just wanted to have those names their first for any "ideal fits", because you got to try to replace what you lost. As opposed to adding some offensive player who initiates plays.
Julian Phillips might actually be the best transfer of the offseason, the underlying defensive numbers are stupid.
His Adj. Team defensive rating when on the court was 71.7, by far the lowest in college basketball.
The next lowest in all of college basketball was Mawot Mag at Rutgers with 75.7 and the next Tennessee player was Aidoo at 78.
Meanwhile his offensive contributions were fine for that offense, while shooting HORRENDOUSLY. 23.9% from 3. 44.6% from the field. So why do you want him. Phillips draws fouls, more than Omax did. His FTR is 61.5. Plus Phillips is capable of shooing better than he did. Phillips shot 82.2% from the free throw line, the best indicator of shooting success.
Olivier Nkamhoua, is just a solid player. And he is honestly just similar to Joplin with more defensive polish and more of a down low focus. He was one of their sources of their few offense.
Of course its boosted by team success, but the types of players that don't have team success that MU can go after, are going to have to play in very different roles than they did last year.
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He is a freshman. Anything MU gets from him next season is gravy
Exactly……don’t expect an undersized freshman to have an impact. If he does….fantastic but cant count on that at all.
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Equal to or less than Gold contributed last season. I don't see how he contributes more.
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https://twitter.com/bensteelemjs/status/1659339019015053313?s=61&t=oxKt9dJanWbf2R2I8WSzJw
Zach seemed like a solid locker-room leader whom his teammates liked. Glad he found a landing spot.
Now we can stop speculating about his return.
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Equal to or less than Gold contributed last season. I don't see how he contributes more.
Yep, muscoop - the land where no freshman can make meaningful contribution.
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Zach, did not show much when he did play, locker room guy, great, player not really. I only see 4 bigs on the team right now, a skinny freshman, a skinny Gold as well. I can see 4 guards playing together, they will be able to score, see Ross and Lowery playing bigger then their size. They were small last year and won 29, they might not win as much but it will be close. Do not see this group going much farther then last year, very surprised that Shaka is not getting at least one big to help.
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Yep, muscoop - the land where no freshman can make meaningful contribution.
They can. I just don't build my expectations around them doing so.
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very surprised that Shaka is not getting at least one big to help.
The offseason is only a month and a half old.
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Zach, did not show much when he did play, locker room guy, great, player not really. I only see 4 bigs on the team right now, a skinny freshman, a skinny Gold as well. I can see 4 guards playing together, they will be able to score, see Ross and Lowery playing bigger then their size. They were small last year and won 29, they might not win as much but it will be close. Do not see this group going much farther then last year, very surprised that Shaka is not getting at least one big to help.
I do not think Shaka would of been interested in any transfer, who had more than one year left as he needs the scholarships for next year's recruiting class.
I also think Shaka likes how this team has bonded together. There is a risk to bringing in someone, who might upset the apple cart. Look at Kansas signing the Michigan transfer and subsequently having two young centers transfer out of the program. It certainly would not be worth bringing in a transfer, if the result was Joplin or Gold leaving. I hope they bring Wrightsel back..
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I do not think Shaka would of been interested in any transfer, who had more than one year left as he needs the scholarships for next year's recruiting class.
I also think Shaka likes how this team has bonded together. There is a risk to bringing in someone, who might upset the apple cart. Look at Kansas signing the Michigan transfer and subsequently having two young centers transfer out of the program. It certainly would not be worth bringing in a transfer, if the result was Joplin or Gold leaving. I hope they bring Wrightsel back..
I c wat u did w wrightsel
But… Jop & Gold.. if they left bc a new guy got brought in this summer, they wouldn’t be eligible to play this coming year at another school
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I do not think Shaka would of been interested in any transfer, who had more than one year left as he needs the scholarships for next year's recruiting class.
I also think Shaka likes how this team has bonded together. There is a risk to bringing in someone, who might upset the apple cart. Look at Kansas signing the Michigan transfer and subsequently having two young centers transfer out of the program. It certainly would not be worth bringing in a transfer, if the result was Joplin or Gold leaving. I hope they bring Wrightsel back..
If Kansas wins the national championship, I don't think anybody is going to be hurting over the two recruits that left the program because they brought in better talent. They'll point to their national championship and get better recruits in next year's class anyway.
If we're content having fun regular seasons but being unable to break through in March we can just give freshman scholarships and just guarantee them they'll get to play once player X graduates or leaves for the pros. If we want to be serious contenders we'll give freshman scholarships and guarantee them they'll get the chance to compete for playing time. If they don't like their lack of minutes, they can find them on worse teams.
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bilsu
I think Shaka will improve the team with a transfer and confident it will be a guy to fit the culture. Two things I am confident that Shaka can do, judge talent and judge culture guys. I think it would be crazy to leave a roster spot on open, especially if they are close to being a very, very good team. That's my opinion and I could be wrong, but feel confident there will be an addition.
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How ready is Amadou? Can the kid be an immediate impact guy? I'd like to see him click up to the 215 lbs range minimum.
a litle background article on Amadou:
https://www.cityofbasketballlove.com/news_article/show/1200392 (https://www.cityofbasketballlove.com/news_article/show/1200392)
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bilsu
I think Shaka will improve the team with a transfer and confident it will be a guy to fit the culture. Two things I am confident that Shaka can do, judge talent and judge culture guys. I think it would be crazy to leave a roster spot on open, especially if they are close to being a very, very good team. That's my opinion and I could be wrong, but feel confident there will be an addition.
Goose, where is this transfer that you keep mentioning going to come from? The deadline to enter the portal without sitting a year has passed.
I don’t follow it that closely but it seems like we’re not interested in anyone that’s currently in the portal.
I’m pretty sure we have our squad and I’m totally cool rolling with them. I expect big improvements from an already top 5 team
Book your tee times in Scottsdale now
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Didn't know where to put this, so I just picked a thread that had recent activity. Copied this from Twitter. Pretty good stuff!
Record vs Ranked Teams since 2020 (Top 40)
1. Baylor 23-9 71.9%
2. Kansas 22-17 56.4%
3. Texas 18-22 45.0%
4. Gonzaga 17-9 65.4%
5. Illinois 16-13 55.2%
6. Marquette 15-11 57.7%
7. OK State 15-22 40.5%
8. Purdue 14-9 60.9%
9. Tennessee 14-11 56.0%
10. Villanova 14-14 50.0%
11. Creighton 14-18 43.8%
12. Mich State 14-19 42.4%
13. Oklahoma 14-27 34.2%
14. Alabama 13-12 52.0%
14. Iowa 13-12 52.0%
16. Ohio State 13-14 48.2%
17. Arizona 12-4 75.0%
18. Texas Tech 12-23 34.3%
19. Iowa St 12-24 33.3%
20. UCLA 11-11 50.0%
21. Missouri 11-12 47.8%
22. Arkansas 11-14 44.0%
23. Michigan 11-15 42.3%
24. Maryland 11-17 39.3%
25. TCU 11-24 31.4%
26. UConn 10-14 41.7%
27. Indiana 10-19 34.5%
28. K-State 10-24 29.4%
28. WVU 10-24 29.4%
30. Duke 9-8 52.9%
31. Providence 9-9 50.0%
32. Miami 9-10 47.4%
33. Wisconsin 9-15 37.5%
33. North Carolina 9-15 37.5%
35. Xavier 8-13 38.1%
36. Rutgers 8-15 34.8%
37. Va Tech 7-6 53.9%
38. Auburn 7-8 46.7%
39. Texas A&M 7-10 41.2%
40. Penn St 7-16 30.4%