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MUScoop => The Superbar => Topic started by: warriorchick on May 05, 2022, 06:08:44 PM
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2,027 committed by May 1, making it the largest incoming class in several years.
Increases in diversity and average SAT/ACT scores as well.
https://today.marquette.edu/2022/05/marquette-announces-successful-recruitment-year/?fbclid=IwAR3QQvfIIqGeTmvBaRu8RnT7LIYvsFPzAocqU6KgiQjTEgKfiZvTOws0wzc
Sorry, Disco - no word on the acceptance rate.
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Must not be aware of the crime
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I spent much of the afternoon at MU today and definite excitement over the increased enrollment. Great news for MU!
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Must not be aware of the crime
what crime?
i'm sure MU is on top of the crime situation as they should. to ignore the problem could set up a libelous situation. good thing MU has been able to thwart some very serious situations to keep the campus relatively safe and i mean that in a positive sense. no one likes to see their alma mater go to hell. the presence of MUPD along with what's left of MPD can and will do a nice job if they are allowed.
btw-milwaukee homicides 2022 are at 70 which is 19 ahead of last year-nothing to celebrate
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what crime?
i'm sure MU is on top of the crime situation as they should. to ignore the problem could set up a libelous situation. good thing MU has been able to thwart some very serious situations to keep the campus relatively safe and i mean that in a positive sense. no one likes to see their alma mater go to hell. the presence of MUPD along with what's left of MPD can and will do a nice job if they are allowed.
btw-milwaukee homicides 2022 are at 70 which is 19 ahead of last year-nothing to celebrate
How many on campus?
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what crime?
i'm sure MU is on top of the crime situation as they should. to ignore the problem could set up a libelous situation. good thing MU has been able to thwart some very serious situations to keep the campus relatively safe and i mean that in a positive sense. no one likes to see their alma mater go to hell. the presence of MUPD along with what's left of MPD can and will do a nice job if they are allowed.
btw-milwaukee homicides 2022 are at 70 which is 19 ahead of last year-nothing to celebrate
"What's left of MPD"?
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what crime?
i'm sure MU is on top of the crime situation as they should. to ignore the problem could set up a libelous situation. good thing MU has been able to thwart some very serious situations to keep the campus relatively safe and i mean that in a positive sense. no one likes to see their alma mater go to hell. the presence of MUPD along with what's left of MPD can and will do a nice job if they are allowed.
btw-milwaukee homicides 2022 are at 70 which is 19 ahead of last year-nothing to celebrate
7 of 10
No ellipses or air quotes but some hints at conspiracy theories about city politics and police work salvage the effort
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7 of 10
No ellipses or air quotes but some hints at conspiracy theories about city politics and police work salvage the effort
that's still passing right?
jesmu-mpd had over 200 vacancies as of august 2021 and rising-feel free to look it up
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that's still passing right?
jesmu-mpd had over 200 vacancies as of august 2021 and rising-feel free to look it up
Taking the decision to defund the police into their own hands, hey?
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that's still passing right?
jesmu-mpd had over 200 vacancies as of august 2021 and rising-feel free to look it up
Did employees leave the MPD? What was their reasons for leaving?
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Did employees leave the MPD? What was their reasons for leaving?
I know you are trolling and/or dense, but if you aren't aware of the shorage of law enforcement applicants, then you are next level dumb.
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I know you are trolling and/or dense, but if you aren't aware of the shorage of law enforcement applicants, then you are next level dumb.
I asked about where all the openings came from.
A quick Google search seems to indicate the openings are the result of retirements.
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Yes, there is a shortage of police applicants and teachers. Both professions have been scapegoated for a couple of generations by both ends of the political spectrum.
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what crime?
i'm sure MU is on top of the crime situation as they should. to ignore the problem could set up a libelous situation. good thing MU has been able to thwart some very serious situations to keep the campus relatively safe and i mean that in a positive sense. no one likes to see their alma mater go to hell. the presence of MUPD along with what's left of MPD can and will do a nice job if they are allowed.
btw-milwaukee homicides 2022 are at 70 which is 19 ahead of last year-nothing to celebrate
Stick to teeth.
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Projected freshman classes are up throughout the country from the downturn during covid. Students no longer want to "attend" and pay huge tuition while enrolled in virtual classes or to be held hostage in their dorm rooms, hey?
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Projected freshman classes are up throughout the country from the downturn during covid. Students no longer want to "attend" and pay huge tuition while enrolled in virtual classes or to be held hostage in their dorm rooms, hey?
Too bad they’re all going to get robbed or shot
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Nah, only at MU, hey?
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Thanks for ruining yet another thread
Great job, guys.
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This is something to be happy about.
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2,027 committed by May 1, making it the largest incoming class in several years.
Increases in diversity and average SAT/ACT scores as well.
https://today.marquette.edu/2022/05/marquette-announces-successful-recruitment-year/?fbclid=IwAR3QQvfIIqGeTmvBaRu8RnT7LIYvsFPzAocqU6KgiQjTEgKfiZvTOws0wzc
Sorry, Disco - no word on the acceptance rate.
Is there a link to more specific data?
41% from Illinois
33% from Wisconsin
Geographic diversity hasn’t improved.
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2,027 committed by May 1, making it the largest incoming class in several years.
Increases in diversity and average SAT/ACT scores as well.
https://today.marquette.edu/2022/05/marquette-announces-successful-recruitment-year/?fbclid=IwAR3QQvfIIqGeTmvBaRu8RnT7LIYvsFPzAocqU6KgiQjTEgKfiZvTOws0wzc
Sorry, Disco - no word on the acceptance rate.
Great work by admissions. I like that they are going to places where the sales is easier to close . 41 percent from Illinois is solid.
Hopefully that big donation for school nursing is increasing their capacity
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Is there a link to more specific data?
41% from Illinois
33% from Wisconsin
Geographic diversity hasn’t improved.
This is Marquette's strategy and is what many private schools are doing now. Focus your resources on areas from where you are likely to get the most students.
Sure they will still do the college fairs where people are sending out alumni because that is a low cost scenario, but admissions work is nearly a three year process now. The goal is to make sure your professional staff knows each and every admitted applicant at some level. That is resource intensive work and that requires concentrating on where you are getting the most bang for your buck.
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Glad to see MU continues to be an excellent choice for discriminating high school seniors.
Hope this trend continues!
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I remember that one year MU had a high enrollment but the net price per student was too low it was actually a tough enrollment year. Any word on the street if that’s the case this year?
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This is something to be happy about.
Thanks for ruining yet another thread
Great job, guys.
Yep on both posts.
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This is Marquette's strategy and is what many private schools are doing now. Focus your resources on areas from where you are likely to get the most students.
Sure they will still do the college fairs where people are sending out alumni because that is a low cost scenario, but admissions work is nearly a three year process now. The goal is to make sure your professional staff knows each and every admitted applicant at some level. That is resource intensive work and that requires concentrating on where you are getting the most bang for your buck.
Many national (and even more local regional) private schools don’t have 74% of their student population from just two states.
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Many national (and even more local regional) private schools don’t have 74% of their student population from just two states.
Cool
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My daughter was accepted at Marquette. But due to what she wants to do post grad and in life, UCF ended up as a better choice.
The one nice thing to see is that MU financial aid was in line with the other private universities she was accepted at (Loyola-NO, Hofstra, Fordham).
The pretzel Marquette sent as part of a congrats package was tasty and a nice touch!
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I don't think most observers would call MU a national school. I'm sure they get a portion from CA and NY and that's only because 20% of the US population lives there. MU's future is it's past: MKE & Chicago area.
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Many national (and even more local regional) private schools don’t have 74% of their student population from just two states.
Way more do than don't. Especially when you are that close to the third largest metropolitan area in the country.
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Way more do than don't. Especially when you are that close to the third largest metropolitan area in the country.
Examples? Links?
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Stick to teeth.
stick to driving mr & mrs daisy
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stick to driving mr & mrs daisy
I'm not the one who is routinely clowned on here. Just trying to help you not get dunked on so much around here.
In this specific instance, you don't seem to understand what a "libelous situation" actually is.
But go off, king!
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Examples? Links?
LOL, you state an assertion...I respond...and you want ME to provide links?
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LOL, you state an assertion...I respond...and you want ME to provide links?
I said that Marquette has not improved its geographic diversity from the 74-75% from two states. This is a factual statement in response to the link provided that gave those numbers.
You then said those numbers were common at most private schools without providing facts to support your opinion.
I asked for examples. Do you have examples?
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I'm not the one who is routinely clowned on here. Just trying to help you not get dunked on so much around here.
In this specific instance, you don't seem to understand what a "libelous situation" actually is.
But go off, king!
FFS, take it outside.
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Many national (and even more local regional) private schools don’t have 74% of their student population from just two states.
Link? Maybe start with Big East. I looked up St Johns. 72% came from the city and two surrounding counties.
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My daughter was accepted at Marquette. But due to what she wants to do post grad and in life, UCF ended up as a better choice.
The one nice thing to see is that MU financial aid was in line with the other private universities she was accepted at (Loyola-NO, Hofstra, Fordham).
The pretzel Marquette sent as part of a congrats package was tasty and a nice touch!
UCF? Uh-oh. Orlando's violent crime rate is double the national average, and the property crime rate is more than double!
Seriously, though, I hope she has a great time and gets a great education there. Thanks for sharing the info about the aid packages.
As for MU's enrollment ...
This is something to be happy about.
Yes it is. We Are Marquette!
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I said that Marquette has not improved its geographic diversity from the 74-75% from two states. This is a factual statement in response to the link provided that gave those numbers.
You then said those numbers were common at most private schools without providing facts to support your opinion.
I asked for examples. Do you have examples?
Yes.
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FFS, take it outside.
YOU'RE NOT MY MOM!
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FFS, take it outside.
When has anyone bitching about a topic going off course ever changed people's behavior?
Hint: it doesn't. Either report it or deal with it.
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When has anyone bitching about a topic going off course ever changed people's behavior?
Hint: it doesn't. Either report it or deal with it.
You and I both know that reporting it doesn't do squat.
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You and I both know that reporting it doesn't do squat.
Well bitching about it doesn't either.
So I guess you should just learn to deal with it.
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Link? Maybe start with Big East. I looked up St Johns. 72% came from the city and two surrounding counties.
Sure. And I would throw in Seton Hall. But that isn't eveb most of the Big East, let alone most private schools, which is what he said.
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Sure. And I would throw in Seton Hall. But that isn't eveb most of the Big East, let alone most private schools, which is what he said.
I am too busy (lazy) to look any more up, but you might want to read what you wrote in terms of this. You are the one who wrote many private schools dont have this number..
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I am too busy (lazy) to look any more up, but you might want to read what you wrote in terms of this. You are the one who wrote many private schools dont have this number..
I did say that, AFTER his comment saying it was so, for most private schools. I didn’t say it first. My initial comment was that Marquette’s geographic diversity hasn’t improved. The link the thread originator provided showed that.
At that point the other poster mentioned that this was the case with most private schools. (I knew that the number was different for many private schools)
And here we are without a long list of most private schools. I think that would have been posted by now.
You at least gave the Big East as an example, and I responded.
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I did say that, AFTER his comment saying it was so, for most private schools. I didn’t say it first. My initial comment was that Marquette’s geographic diversity hasn’t improved. The link the thread originator provided showed that.
At that point the other poster mentioned that this was the case with most private schools. (I knew that the number was different for many private schools)
And here we are without a long list of most private schools. I think that would have been posted by now.
You at least gave the Big East as an example, and I responded.
I am not obligated to provide such a list.
If you don't believe me, I don't give a sh*t.
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I don't think most observers would call MU a national school. I'm sure they get a portion from CA and NY and that's only because 20% of the US population lives there. MU's future is it's past: MKE & Chicago area.
Marquette not a national university and Creighton is a mid major.
MUScoop never fails to deliver. ::)
Where can I find the 'Earth is Flat' thread?
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This is the Shaka bump.
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Marquette not a national university and Creighton is a mid major.
MUScoop never fails to deliver. ::)
Where can I find the 'Earth is Flat' thread?
That was true when I applied. I only heard about Marquette from my cousin who lived in Indiana. It wasn't until Marquette became a national power in basketball during Al's tenure that Marquette became national brand so to speak.
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Many national (and even more local regional) private schools don’t have 74% of their student population from just two states.
Source?
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Thanks for sharing Chick! I saw the press release yesterday and was thrilled to hear this news. Went to scoop just now to see if anyone shared anything about it on here which you did so thank you!
I've come around on the acceptance rate issue after educating myself more and speaking with MU Admissions staffers. U.S. News doesn't even take it into account anymore and I've never felt it was reflective of quality, but too many people still think it does....especially in the part of the country where I live. That said, even though no stats are available for this year's cycle yet, a lower acceptance rate, and higher yield means a school is more popular, and I can't imagine any Scoop regulars don't want MU to be more popular.
I do think having a super-high acceptance rate, as it has been in previous years discourages smarter Type A students from applying. Maybe not Ivy bound types but students bound for schools one notch above MU. When they see MU accepted 88% or whatever it was last year some have a visceral reaction and think to themselves I'm better than that. That has always been my main concern with the acceptance rate figure and it might have something to do with the lack of geographic diversity but who knows.
I agree with Shoothoops that geographic diversity is every bit as important as racial and socio-economic, and they can do better there but at the end of the day MU is a Midwest school and they're always going to get most of the students from WI and greater Chicago. I also think recruiting more students from from other parts of the country may be counter to their mission because by default those students tend to be from wealthier families given the increased costs of travel to and from campus. If they could get the IL/WI figure down to 60% instead of 75% that would be fantastic but not sure how realistic that is. At the end of the day, this is still great news!
Does anyone have any inside info on why MU moved from Rolling Admissions to a single decision day? This is the best move they've made in a long time so curious if anyone has any insight on what caused them to finally see the light and take steps to make MU more appealing. The release implied that high school guidance counselors were advocating for that but curious if anyone has any other info.
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That was true when I applied. I only heard about Marquette from my cousin who lived in Indiana. It wasn't until Marquette became a national power in basketball during Al's tenure that Marquette became national brand so to speak.
I'll accept that MU has only been a national university for the past 50 years.
EVEN US News & World Report has us as the #83 National University:
Marquette University
Milwaukee, WI
#83 in National Universities (tie)
Marquette University, a private Catholic, Jesuit school, is in walking distance of downtown Milwaukee, a city known for its restaurants, zoo and athletics. The Marquette Golden Eagles are members of the NCAA Division I Big East Conference and are especially competitive in basketball. The men's basketball team plays in the Wisconsin Entertainment & Sports Center, which is also home to the NBA's Milwaukee Bucks. There is no varsity football team, but enthusiasts of the sport can play at the intramural level. Other sports options include a tennis singles league, indoor volleyball and intramural innertube water polo. Students have almost 300 clubs and organizations to get involved in, and about 15 percent of the student body takes part in the Greek system, which includes more than 20 fraternities and sororities. To kick off each spring semester, the university holds the Winter Flurry, a week of games and activities that culminates in a semiformal dance known as Snowball. Freshmen and sophomores must live on campus, unless they reside locally with a family member or guardian. Lake Michigan is a mile from campus, and students can travel on Milwaukee County Transit System buses for free with a pass.
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Many national (and even more local regional) private schools don’t have 74% of their student population from just two states.
Do you have any stats to support that claim ?
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My daughter was accepted at Marquette. But due to what she wants to do post grad and in life, UCF ended up as a better choice.
The one nice thing to see is that MU financial aid was in line with the other private universities she was accepted at (Loyola-NO, Hofstra, Fordham).
The pretzel Marquette sent as part of a congrats package was tasty and a nice touch!
The pretzel was a nice touch! However, my son chose the city with the original and decided to attend Penn.
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Seems as good as any thread to post this here ..
(https://i.redd.it/tt7y3vn4j0s91.png)
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Interesting. I never thought of Liberty as a very accepting university.
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Seems as good as any thread to post this here ..
(https://i.redd.it/tt7y3vn4j0s91.png)
We're the easiest school in the BE to get into when DePaul, St. John's, and Seton Hall are out there? That's embarrassing.
Nice to see Arizona State has increased its standards over past classes.Now they're almost as hard to get into as we are. ::)
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This is why you have victims approaching suspects, hey?
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We're the easiest school in the BE to get into when DePaul, St. John's, and Seton Hall are out there? That's embarrassing.
Nice to see Arizona State has increased its standards over past classes.Now they're almost as hard to get into as we are. ::)
This hardly means that Marquette is easy to get into. As I have said previously, they are targeting who they get their apps from. Taking a bunch of applications knowing that they will simply reject a bunch is a waste of everyone’s time.
The quality of a class depends on who shows up in September.
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Coincidentally, I got my high school "annual report" in the mail today.
It had two lists .. the most frequent colleges selected by class of 2022 (U of Minnesota, St. Thomas, UW@Madison, Iowa, Creighton, Marquette, etc.)
The 2nd list was "Highly Selective College destinations - 2022" .. It was a solid list, Boston College, Brandeis, UC-Berkeley, UCLA, Duke, Chapman, Miami, Rhodes, Skidmore, St. Olaf, Texas, UW@Madison and 30 others.
Marquette? Not on that list .. i.e., not "selective" enough.
At 86% acceptance, it seems MU has reached safety school status.
(And here comes Sultan to set me straight..)
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Not to denigrate my own degree, but hasn’t Marquette always been a safety school?
I always thought I got a superior type/style of education but I was never under the illusion that I was showing up to an elite university.
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Coincidentally, I got my high school "annual report" in the mail today.
It had two lists .. the most frequent colleges selected by class of 2022 (U of Minnesota, St. Thomas, UW@Madison, Iowa, Creighton, Marquette, etc.)
The 2nd list was "Highly Selective College destinations - 2022" .. It was a solid list, Boston College, Brandeis, UC-Berkeley, UCLA, Duke, Chapman, Miami, Rhodes, Skidmore, St. Olaf, Texas, UW@Madison and 30 others.
Marquette? Not on that list .. i.e., not "selective" enough.
At 86% acceptance, it seems MU has reached safety school status.
(And here comes Sultan to set me straight..)
St. Olaf is “highly selective?” 😂😂😂
I’m sure your education served you well.
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This is why you have victims approaching suspects, hey?
Haha. This one actually made me laugh.
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St. Olaf is “highly selective?” 😂😂😂
I’m sure your education served you well.
Maybe the poor guidance counselor making that list picked 50% as "highly selective" .. and yet MU still couldn't manage to make the coin flip list. So funny I forgot to laugh?
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^^^ it’s CDH, not BSM… can’t expect much
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Maybe the poor guidance counselor making that list picked 50% as "highly selective" .. and yet MU still couldn't manage to make the coin flip list. So funny I forgot to laugh?
Don’t believe propaganda that states or implies that educational quality is tied to the percentage of students they admit.
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Nonsense, highly selective is highly selective. MU is middle of the road and there are worse universities. Doesn't mean ya can't be successful from MU, hey?
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Nonsense, highly selective is highly selective. MU is middle of the road and there are worse universities. Doesn't mean ya can't be successful from MU, hey?
Highly selective means highly selective. Highly selective doesn’t always correlate with educational quality.
Handwringing over acceptance rate is just a waste of time. Many schools don’t even think about it.
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What it does mean is the students are smarter and therefore the competition is keener. Don't employers and grad schools look for the best and the brightest? Or, have we now gotten to the place where that is discriminatory and are willing to settle for mediocrity, hey?
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What it does mean is the students are smarter and therefore the competition is keener. Don't employers and grad schools look for the best and the brightest? Or, have we now gotten to the place where that is discriminatory and are willing to settle for mediocrity, hey?
you'll be surprised(or probably not) how the big ones do go for the "best and the brightest"...as long as they check the boxes ;)
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you'll be surprised(or probably not) how the big ones do go for the "best and the brightest"...as long as they check the boxes ;)
This is an 8 out of 10. Thinly veiled sexism and racism, air quotes and ellipses.
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This is an 8 out of 10. Thinly veiled sexism and racism, air quotes and ellipses.
Not so thinly veiled. I think you might have shorted roQQet a point.
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Not so thinly veiled. I think you might have shorted roQQet a point.
I use advanced analytics
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What it does mean is the students are smarter and therefore the competition is keener. Don't employers and grad schools look for the best and the brightest? Or, have we now gotten to the place where that is discriminatory and are willing to settle for mediocrity, hey?
Does Marquette have a problem getting their students hired or with getting their alumni into grad school?
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I use advanced analytics
Shouldn't you be able to predict his next post by now?
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Shouldn't you be able to predict his next post by now?
Can’t we all?
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Maybe the poor guidance counselor making that list picked 50% as "highly selective" .. and yet MU still couldn't manage to make the coin flip list. So funny I forgot to laugh?
St. Olaf made the list because the guidance counselor is an alum.
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Highly selective means highly selective. Highly selective doesn’t always correlate with educational quality.
Marquette is highly selective. They are highly selective about who they market to.
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Marquette is highly selective. They are highly selective about who they market to.
Speaking of how Marquette markets ...
According to the email I just received, here's the latest offering for those who donate to MU:
(https://ecp.yusercontent.com/mail?url=https%3A%2F%2Falumni.marquette.edu%2Fimage%2Ffy23-crewneck-email-body.png&t=1665065875&ymreqid=3c8d0d78-3338-e941-1cc2-2800f401dd00&sig=idS.kRLOTfC1TFBVPStgsw--~D)
Yes, because the very first thing any Marquette fan wants people to see is WISCONSIN in large yellow type on the top of their sweatshirt.
Oh, and "Marquette" isn't on it at all.
I donate annually to the College of Communications, and I don't care about the incentive gifts they offer (I think I've only gotten one over all these years). But if I were the type who did care, this would be a turn-off and I'd wait to see what the next one is.
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Like so many other topics of discussion here, y'all have a small sample size and are in denial. Branch out and experience the other 50%. You'll be amazed what you're missing and not seeing, hey?
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Marquette is highly selective. They are highly selective about who they market to.
Exactly.
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Like so many other topics of discussion here, y'all have a small sample size and are in denial. Branch out and experience the other 50%. You'll be amazed what you're missing and not seeing, hey?
Other 35%
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Speaking of how Marquette markets ...
According to the email I just received, here's the latest offering for those who donate to MU:
(https://ecp.yusercontent.com/mail?url=https%3A%2F%2Falumni.marquette.edu%2Fimage%2Ffy23-crewneck-email-body.png&t=1665065875&ymreqid=3c8d0d78-3338-e941-1cc2-2800f401dd00&sig=idS.kRLOTfC1TFBVPStgsw--~D)
Yes, because the very first thing any Marquette fan wants people to see is WISCONSIN in large yellow type on the top of their sweatshirt.
Oh, and "Marquette" isn't on it at all.
I donate annually to the College of Communications, and I don't care about the incentive gifts they offer (I think I've only gotten one over all these years). But if I were the type who did care, this would be a turn-off and I'd wait to see what the next one is.
The McCormick cozies, the MU flag, and the beach towels were solid gifts
This sweatshirt stinks
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Like so many other topics of discussion here, y'all have a small sample size and are in denial. Branch out and experience the other 50%. You'll be amazed what you're missing and not seeing, hey?
So so ironic...
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Speaking of how Marquette markets ...
According to the email I just received, here's the latest offering for those who donate to MU:
(https://ecp.yusercontent.com/mail?url=https%3A%2F%2Falumni.marquette.edu%2Fimage%2Ffy23-crewneck-email-body.png&t=1665065875&ymreqid=3c8d0d78-3338-e941-1cc2-2800f401dd00&sig=idS.kRLOTfC1TFBVPStgsw--~D)
Yes, because the very first thing any Marquette fan wants people to see is WISCONSIN in large yellow type on the top of their sweatshirt.
Oh, and "Marquette" isn't on it at all.
I donate annually to the College of Communications, and I don't care about the incentive gifts they offer (I think I've only gotten one over all these years). But if I were the type who did care, this would be a turn-off and I'd wait to see what the next one is.
Were you on the group text with my friends? I think I said the exact same thing.
In the grand scheme of things, not that big of a deal, but I was curious why they’d make the word “Wisconsin” the first thing you see.
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Speaking of how Marquette markets ...
According to the email I just received, here's the latest offering for those who donate to MU:
(https://ecp.yusercontent.com/mail?url=https%3A%2F%2Falumni.marquette.edu%2Fimage%2Ffy23-crewneck-email-body.png&t=1665065875&ymreqid=3c8d0d78-3338-e941-1cc2-2800f401dd00&sig=idS.kRLOTfC1TFBVPStgsw--~D)
Yes, because the very first thing any Marquette fan wants people to see is WISCONSIN in large yellow type on the top of their sweatshirt.
Oh, and "Marquette" isn't on it at all.
I donate annually to the College of Communications, and I don't care about the incentive gifts they offer (I think I've only gotten one over all these years). But if I were the type who did care, this would be a turn-off and I'd wait to see what the next one is.
This looks unofficial.
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The McCormick cozies, the MU flag, and the beach towels were solid gifts
This sweatshirt stinks
I agree. I think they’ve done a really nice ornament in the past as well. The McCormick cozie gets a lot of use.
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This looks unofficial.
Agreed. Since Marquette is not mentioned, it looks like something I would see at a flea market.
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Highly selective means highly selective. Highly selective doesn’t always correlate with educational quality.
Handwringing over acceptance rate is just a waste of time. Many schools don’t even think about it.
Yep both mine and my younger sister's alma maters had their acceptance rates rise markedly over the last 5 years. However, if you look at the stats of the incoming classes, the caliber of student increased by all metrics, and not just slightly.
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The other thing is, Marquette is absolutely going to be fine with its program array. Business, nursing, engineering and health sciences? With an underlying emphasis on the liberal arts? I don't think the University could be set up better for what the labor marketplace is seeking than this.
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Speaking of how Marquette markets ...
According to the email I just received, here's the latest offering for those who donate to MU:
Yes, because the very first thing any Marquette fan wants people to see is WISCONSIN in large yellow type on the top of their sweatshirt.
Oh, and "Marquette" isn't on it at all.
I donate annually to the College of Communications, and I don't care about the incentive gifts they offer (I think I've only gotten one over all these years). But if I were the type who did care, this would be a turn-off and I'd wait to see what the next one is.
It's just hideous. And the sweatshirt looks cheap, and doesn't fit the wearer.
Who let's this style of design out the door?
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Yep both mine and my younger sister's alma maters had their acceptance rates rise markedly over the last 5 years. However, if you look at the stats of the incoming classes, the caliber of student increased by all metrics, and not just slightly.
This. The average enrolled student's GPA and test scores were higher - while increasing the percentage of students of color.
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Agreed. Since Marquette is not mentioned, it looks like something I would see at a flea market.
That's a perfect statement, lawdog, because my sources say it includes fleas -- no extra charge!
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MU's approach on recruiting is extremely counter-intuitive, but highly efficient. As others have said, this hyper-targeting has actually strengthened the academic metrics of the incoming class, despite what on the surface appears to be an embarrassingly high acceptance rate.
Despite that success, I do think the 86% figure is problematic, and discourages students on the upper end of who would typically consider Marquette from applying. They see that figure and have a visceral reaction and think WTF? That they're wrong for not looking under the hood isn't relevant. It's still a problem from a branding standpoint and exposes MU's lack of popularity.
There's no doubt in my mind that the high acceptance rate figure is the main contributor to MU's lack of geographic diversity. Why fly half way across the country to attend a school that accepts almost 90% of all applicants? I'm not saying this way of thinking is correct or has any relevance to outcomes, which is what really matters, and there's no doubt MU grads hold their own with anyone, but it's also not going to disappear anytime soon.
At the end of day, MU isn't going to win any awards for branding, but as long as they're meeting their enrollment goals they don't care about what they strongly believe are superficial metrics. They don't have to care because they don't operate in an area where folks seem to care about superficial metrics anywhere near as much as they do where I come from. I'm an extremely engaged alum who maintains regular contact with multiple administrators there, and have been told on no uncertain terms that while it would be nice to have more geographic diversity, it will never be a priority for them. They are who they are and that's ok.
And to whoever mentioned MU looks worse than St. John's, DePaul and Seton Hall, the fact is MU is ranked significantly higher than all 3 of those other schools, despite their high acceptance rate.
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It's like wins in baseball. Theoretically it could mean something but it's lack of context makes it a meaningless stat. There were statheads for years getting booed down when they pointed this out but the public eventually came around. Same will happen for acceptance rate.
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MU's approach on recruiting is extremely counter-intuitive, but highly efficient. As others have said, this hyper-targeting has actually strengthened the academic metrics of the incoming class, despite what on the surface appears to be an embarrassingly high acceptance rate.
Despite that success, I do think the 86% figure is problematic, and discourages students on the upper end of who would typically consider Marquette from applying. They see that figure and have a visceral reaction and think WTF? That they're wrong for not looking under the hood isn't relevant. It's still a problem from a branding standpoint and exposes MU's lack of popularity.
There's no doubt in my mind that the high acceptance rate figure is the main contributor to MU's lack of geographic diversity. Why fly half way across the country to attend a school that accepts almost 90% of all applicants? I'm not saying this way of thinking is correct or has any relevance to outcomes, which is what really matters, and there's no doubt MU grads hold their own with anyone, but it's also not going to disappear anytime soon.
At the end of day, MU isn't going to win any awards for branding, but as long as they're meeting their enrollment goals they don't care about what they strongly believe are superficial metrics. They don't have to care because they don't operate in an area where folks seem to care about superficial metrics anywhere near as much as they do where I come from. I'm an extremely engaged alum who maintains regular contact with multiple administrators there, and have been told on no uncertain terms that while it would be nice to have more geographic diversity, it will never be a priority for them. They are who they are and that's ok.
And to whoever mentioned MU looks worse than St. John's, DePaul and Seton Hall, the fact is MU is ranked significantly higher than all 3 of those other schools, despite their high acceptance rate.
The lack of geographic diversity is probably due to the targeted marketing more than the acceptance rate.
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MU's approach on recruiting is extremely counter-intuitive, but highly efficient. As others have said, this hyper-targeting has actually strengthened the academic metrics of the incoming class, despite what on the surface appears to be an embarrassingly high acceptance rate.
Despite that success, I do think the 86% figure is problematic, and discourages students on the upper end of who would typically consider Marquette from applying. They see that figure and have a visceral reaction and think WTF? That they're wrong for not looking under the hood isn't relevant. It's still a problem from a branding standpoint and exposes MU's lack of popularity.
There's no doubt in my mind that the high acceptance rate figure is the main contributor to MU's lack of geographic diversity. Why fly half way across the country to attend a school that accepts almost 90% of all applicants? I'm not saying this way of thinking is correct or has any relevance to outcomes, which is what really matters, and there's no doubt MU grads hold their own with anyone, but it's also not going to disappear anytime soon.
At the end of day, MU isn't going to win any awards for branding, but as long as they're meeting their enrollment goals they don't care about what they strongly believe are superficial metrics. They don't have to care because they don't operate in an area where folks seem to care about superficial metrics anywhere near as much as they do where I come from. I'm an extremely engaged alum who maintains regular contact with multiple administrators there, and have been told on no uncertain terms that while it would be nice to have more geographic diversity, it will never be a priority for them. They are who they are and that's ok.
And to whoever mentioned MU looks worse than St. John's, DePaul and Seton Hall, the fact is MU is ranked significantly higher than all 3 of those other schools, despite their high acceptance rate.
I am confident that the vast majority of college applicants don't place the amount of importance on acceptance rates that you do, especially since most entities that rate colleges have downgraded or eliminated that metric.
The fact remains that even with the high acceptance rate, Marquette has increased the academic caliber of the average student that actually enrolls, even as the student body becomes more diverse. Marquette could completely game the system by encouraging students to apply who have no chance of making it, but it does not.
Anyone who uses acceptance rate as a significant consideration is nothing but an elitist snob, pure and simple.
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I am confident that the vast majority of college applicants don't place the amount of importance on acceptance rates that you do, especially since most entities that rate colleges have downgraded or eliminated that metric.
The fact remains that even with the high acceptance rate, Marquette has increased the academic caliber of the average student that actually enrolls, even as the student body becomes more diverse. Marquette could completely game the system by encouraging students to apply who have no chance of making it, but it does not.
Anyone who uses acceptance rate as a significant consideration is nothing but an elitist snob, pure and simple.
That definitely tracks
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I am confident that the vast majority of college applicants don't place the amount of importance on acceptance rates that you do, especially since most entities that rate colleges have downgraded or eliminated that metric.
The fact remains that even with the high acceptance rate, Marquette has increased the academic caliber of the average student that actually enrolls, even as the student body becomes more diverse. Marquette could completely game the system by encouraging students to apply who have no chance of making it, but it does not.
Anyone who uses acceptance rate as a significant consideration is nothing but an elitist snob, pure and simple.
Or incredibly misguided wrt what makes a quality education.
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Legit question .. how much control does a school have over who applies?
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Legit question .. how much control does a school have over who applies?
They don’t. They have control over who they market to however.
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Well I hope most colleges are ready for this. If one struggles with reading going into college, I don’t know what to say except it can only add to cost of college education and I’ll be damned if we have to keep paying for it. Average cost per student is over $13k with New York, New Jersey and DC leading the way $22-24k per student
https://www.edweek.org/teaching-learning/even-before-pandemic-national-test-finds-most-seniors-unready-for-college-reading-math/2020/10
And these numbers are before the pandemic. God help us what they are post pandemic
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Well I hope most colleges are ready for this. If one struggles with reading going into college, I don’t know what to say except it can only add to cost of college education and I’ll be damned if we have to keep paying for it. Average cost per student is over $13k with New York, New Jersey and DC leading the way $22-24k per student
https://www.edweek.org/teaching-learning/even-before-pandemic-national-test-finds-most-seniors-unready-for-college-reading-math/2020/10
And these numbers are before the pandemic. God help us what they are post pandemic
Remedial writing and math are taught at nearly every college these days.
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How about critical thinking?
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How about critical thinking?
No, but they're all indoctrinating our kids with critical race theory.
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Not sure if this has been linked before ..
https://marquettewire.org/3982607/news/new-admissions-strategy-results-in-increasing-acceptance-rate/
They don’t. They have control over who they market to however.
I guess what confuses me is .. the strategy to buy lists from testing companies, then market to the kids that are in your target demo .. doesn't sound groundbreaking. Sounds like exactly what all colleges would do. (And what all car companies, all beer companies, all travel companies, all toy companies do too.)
Does this mean SLU, with their 55% acceptance rate is just crappier at their market targeting?
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Not sure if this has been linked before ..
https://marquettewire.org/3982607/news/new-admissions-strategy-results-in-increasing-acceptance-rate/
I guess what confuses me is .. the strategy to buy lists from testing companies, then market to the kids that are in your target demo .. doesn't sound groundbreaking. Sounds like exactly what all colleges would do. (And what all car companies, all beer companies, all travel companies, all toy companies do too.)
Does this mean SLU, with their 55% acceptance rate is just crappier at their market targeting?
That article is five years old. Marquette isn't soley basing their recruitment of students on purchasing lists from testing companies, because almost everyone is test optional now. My guess is that they are using third parties to target market to specific demographics that have work well for them in the past.
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Based on the comments in this thread, would it be fair to say some schools are hesitant to make the leap due to perception of a high acceptance rate?
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Based on the comments in this thread, would it be fair to say some schools are hesitant to make the leap due to perception of a high acceptance rate?
It could be, but all but the elite schools aren't going to be able to afford to be picky.
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That article is five years old. Marquette isn't soley basing their recruitment of students on purchasing lists from testing companies, because almost everyone is test optional now. My guess is that they are using third parties to target market to specific demographics that have work well for them in the past.
And that's natural .. one would expect new, better, or different data sources through the years. That doesn't change the thesis that all schools would follow that path.
It's also interesting to think of this marketing scheme .. as one that neglects "certain" populations/demographics.