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MUScoop => The Superbar => Topic started by: wadesworld on April 12, 2022, 12:53:32 PM
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Crazy world. Guess all we can do is say prayers up because Second Amendment or something.
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Thoughts, too. Don't forget them, wades.
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Glad we made something awful into an opportunity for something snarky. Gil Brandt would be proud.
My wife's direct report uses that station every morning for his commute. He switched WFH days till today, otherwise he would have been in the vicinity. Just eerie and scary
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Glad we made something awful into an opportunity for something snarky. Gil Brandt would be proud.
My wife's direct report uses that station every morning for his commute. He switched WFH days till today, otherwise he would have been in the vicinity. Just eerie and scary
I'm not sure what else there is to say anymore. We get these on the daily basically, and yet the response is never "how do we fix this," it's just, "now's not the time to have that discussion. Let's pray for the victims and their families." If not now, then when?
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I'm not sure what else there is to say anymore. We get these on the daily basically, and yet the response is never "how do we fix this," it's just, "now's not the time to have that discussion. Let's pray for the victims and their families." If not now, then when?
I never said any of that. I more subscribe to the mentality in this situation that if there isn't anything kind or productive to say, then say nothing. Which is surely better than some crass comment.
You didn't further the discussion or discuss solutions, you just used senseless violence to mock people you disagree with. I dislike gun nuts as much as the next, but comments like that aren't any more morally superior.
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I never said any of that. I more subscribe to the mentality in this situation that if there isn't anything kind or productive to say, then say nothing. Which is surely better than some crass comment.
You didn't further the discussion or discuss solutions, you just used senseless violence to mock people you disagree with. I dislike gun nuts as much as the next, but comments like that aren't any more morally superior.
I've offered common sense gun laws as a way to improve the problem (there will never be a solution in America), but that will never go anywhere. The fact of the matter is there are people who think the government would be taking our freedom from us if we changed gun laws because of an amendment written over 200 years ago, when guns could get off a max of 3 shots per minute. Obviously things have changed quite a bit since then, both within our society and with technology. It MIGHT be time to take a look at gun laws in this country.
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Crazy world. Guess all we can do is say prayers up because Second Amendment or something.
that is a total pile of steaming crap! law abiding people do not do this. there are over 400 million guns out there. what are you going to do? outlaw 200 million of them? 300 million of them? all of them? regardless, the criminal is going to get them and use them while a law abiding citizen will be helpless. how about we start enforcing the laws we have against those who use guns for the wrong reasons.
i will bet you right now, this dude has a long long rap sheet and should be in prison. time to protect the law abiding citizens
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that is a total pile of steaming crap! law abiding people do not do this. there are over 400 million guns out there. what are you going to do? outlaw 200 million of them? 300 million of them? all of them? regardless, the criminal is going to get them and use them while a law abiding citizen will be helpless. how about we start enforcing the laws we have against those who use guns for the wrong reasons.
i will bet you right now, this dude has a long long rap sheet and should be in prison. time to protect the law abiding citizens
Well, thank god all those law abiding gun owners on the subway stopped this perp!
Wait, nevermind. He's still at large.
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Well, thank god all those law abiding gun owners on the subway stopped this perp!
Wait, nevermind. He's still at large.
Dumbass. The law abiding gun owners would have their firearms locked and inaccessible per NYC regulations.
Once again:
Criminals don't care about laws. They are criminals.
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that is a total pile of steaming crap! law abiding people do not do this. there are over 400 million guns out there. what are you going to do? outlaw 200 million of them? 300 million of them? all of them? regardless, the criminal is going to get them and use them while a law abiding citizen will be helpless. how about we start enforcing the laws we have against those who use guns for the wrong reasons.
i will bet you right now, this dude has a long long rap sheet and should be in prison. time to protect the law abiding citizens
Nearly every major mass shooting in the past 30 years has been committed by a "law abiding citizen."
But keep that little head of yours firmly implanted ... in the sand.
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The Onion always satires this. I just realized there is even a Wikipedia page for The Onion's headlines on this.
‘No Way To Prevent This,’ Says Only Nation Where This Regularly Happens
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%27No_Way_To_Prevent_This,%27_Says_Only_Nation_Where_This_Regularly_Happens
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Dumbass. The law abiding gun owners would have their firearms locked and inaccessible per NYC regulations.
Once again:
Criminals don't care about laws. They are criminals.
Dumbass. Read rocket's post. The defenseless people could be saved by law abiding gun owners, he thinks.
This is why would should make it more difficult for criminals to get their hands on firearms.
We're scared of going into Milwaukee, we'll share the police blotter on here, of which like 95% involve firearms, but then we don't want to change laws around firearms.
Makes sense.
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Nearly every major mass shooting in the past 30 years has been committed by a "law abiding citizen."
But keep that little head of yours firmly implanted ... in the sand.
And some of the mass shooters who weren't previously "law abiding" were still able to get their guns "legally" at either gun shows or other loopholes:
https://www.abc10.com/article/news/nation-world/mass-shooters-exploited-gun-laws/507-2fdc0f47-b501-4973-8894-bb8e8cfa77ab (https://www.abc10.com/article/news/nation-world/mass-shooters-exploited-gun-laws/507-2fdc0f47-b501-4973-8894-bb8e8cfa77ab)
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that is a total pile of steaming crap! law abiding people do not do this. there are over 400 million guns out there. what are you going to do? outlaw 200 million of them? 300 million of them? all of them? regardless, the criminal is going to get them and use them while a law abiding citizen will be helpless. how about we start enforcing the laws we have against those who use guns for the wrong reasons.
i will bet you right now, this dude has a long long rap sheet and should be in prison. time to protect the law abiding citizens
Right on time, perfectly proving the point wades made to Wags.
I wonder how many of the toddlers who have accidentally shot their siblings have had "long rap sheets"?
Happiness is a warm gun!
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Nothing was proved. This entire thread is unnecessary. But it did exactly what it was intended to do. A poor taste jab meant to troll and bait a certain poster or two, and it succeeded. Well done.
Acting like it was some altruistic effort to bring to light to gun issues (which always go the exact same damn way here) is a joke.
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Dumbass. Read rocket's post. The defenseless people could be saved by law abiding gun owners, he thinks.
This is why would should make it more difficult for criminals to get their hands on firearms.
We're scared of going into Milwaukee, we'll share the police blotter on here, of which like 95% involve firearms, but then we don't want to change laws around firearms.
Makes sense.
Dumbass.
White people and guns are just faaahhhhinnne.
People of color and guns are bad.
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that is a total pile of steaming crap! law abiding people do not do this. there are over 400 million guns out there. what are you going to do? outlaw 200 million of them? 300 million of them? all of them? regardless, the criminal is going to get them and use them while a law abiding citizen will be helpless. how about we start enforcing the laws we have against those who use guns for the wrong reasons.
i will bet you right now, this dude has a long long rap sheet and should be in prison. time to protect the law abiding citizens
And this is a total pile of steaming crap.
Why does this only consistently happen in America? Please, would love to hear your answer.
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Nothing was proved. This entire thread is unnecessary. But it did exactly what it was intended to do. A poor taste jab meant to troll and bait a certain poster or two, and it succeeded. Well done.
Acting like it was some altruistic effort to bring to light to gun issues (which always go the exact same damn way here) is a joke.
So let's be more offended by a message board post than about criminals (or anyone) being able to legally get guns at will.
And yes, you did take the bait.
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So let's be more offended by a message board post than about criminals (or anyone) being able to legally get guns at will.
And yes, you did take the bait.
Its completely possible to think gun control is an issue and there needs to be wholesale changes in how things are done, and still think the post/thread was unneeded.
But of course that alternative would be your conclusion, you arrogant myopic clown.
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IBTL.
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And this is a total pile of steaming crap.
Why does this only consistently happen in America? Please, would love to hear your answer.
Because ... freedom! You commie!
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Any y'all got stockpiles of cash to throw at these sick mf'ers, hey?
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Did anyone catch the description of the suspect?
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Did anyone catch the description of the suspect?
Took a look at your post history based on this post. As expected. Pure abject stupidity.
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https://youtu.be/dTtcpOWxAWk
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Did anyone catch the description of the suspect?
Has Chicos entered the chat?
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Has Chicos entered the chat?
That guy is UNHINGED on twitter
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That guy is UNHINGED on twitter
You should see him on Scoop.
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Rise in violent crime? Covid.
Skyrocketing Inflation? Transitory.
Gas prices? Putin.
Washington? Nothing to see here, folks.
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That guy is UNHINGED on twitter
Twitter is such an amazing place to see a side of people you'd NEVER expect. The quiet coworker who is an unhinged lunatic. The seemingly normal friend of a friend who tweets terrible crap at players or other fans. The husband and father, with his family in his avatar picture, who is either a total misogynist weirdo or a leering creep begging to drink bathwater.
At least Chicos is consistent
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Rise in violent crime? Covid.
Skyrocketing Inflation? Transitory.
Gas prices? Putin.
Washington? Nothing to see here, folks.
Bingo
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Rise in violent crime? Covid.
Skyrocketing Inflation? Transitory.
Gas prices? Putin.
Washington? Nothing to see here, folks.
Oh, good, Lenny has arrived to be not at all political (because he doesn't do that, he can assure you).
At least you've got Cheeks agreeing with you.
JWags, a scolding is in order.
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Rise in violent crime? Covid.
Skyrocketing Inflation? Transitory.
Gas prices? Putin.
Washington? Nothing to see here, folks.
Weird.
https://news.yahoo.com/republican-controlled-states-have-higher-murder-rates-than-democratic-ones-study-212137750.html
Surely you can’t be so stupid to blame gas prices solely on Biden, right?
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Surely you can’t be so stupid to blame gas prices solely on Biden, right?
It’s all on Putin. My President told me so. Right?
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It’s all on Putin. My President told me so. Right?
Strange you didn’t respond regarding murder rates. Doesn’t fit your narrative?
As for gas prices, also interesting you’re so focused on what “your President” said as opposed to the steady stream of bullsh*t the right has been spouting.
Imagine if people actually understood and accepted the truth. Unfortunately that’s not possible these days.
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Rise in violent crime? Covid.
Skyrocketing Inflation? Transitory.
Gas prices? Putin.
Washington? Nothing to see here, folks.
Attempted coup? Just loving tourists.
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Da gun made da mofo due it. Sew glad dis bored izant political, aina?
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That guy is UNHINGED on twitter
It’s amazing, really. Someone needs to do an intervention
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Da gun made da mofo due it. Sew glad dis bored izant political, aina?
Mods should ban the guy who injected inflation, gas prices and Washington, DC into a discussion about a mass shooting in NYC, wouldn't you agree?
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Keep your eyes on Grand Rapids today.
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Dumbass. The law abiding gun owners would have their firearms locked and inaccessible per NYC regulations.
Once again:
Criminals don't care about laws. They are criminals.
Once again, your brilliant logic is we shouldn't have laws because criminals ignore them.
One would think at some point you'd learn something, but I guess that's beyond you.
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they paid this dude $7500 weeks before he shot up 6 people because he had his feelings hurt while he was in jail. i'm pretty sure he shouldn't have had a gun being a previous felon, but what the hey, it's california, new york, what's the difference?? oh yeah, that damn putin again
https://www.foxnews.com/us/sacramento-mass-shooting-suspect-paid-thousands-county
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they paid this dude $7500 weeks before he shot up 6 people because he had his feelings hurt while he was in jail. i'm pretty sure he shouldn't have had a gun being a previous felon, but what the hey, it's california, new york, what's the difference?? oh yeah, that damn putin again
https://www.foxnews.com/us/sacramento-mass-shooting-suspect-paid-thousands-county
What's your solution, rocket?
And I, for one, am glad that mass shootings never occur in places like Texas and Florida.
Wait, what? Six of the 10 deadliest mass shootings in American history took place in Texas and Florida? NM
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they paid this dude $7500 weeks before he shot up 6 people because he had his feelings hurt while he was in jail. i'm pretty sure he shouldn't have had a gun being a previous felon, but what the hey, it's california, new york, what's the difference?? oh yeah, that damn putin again
https://www.foxnews.com/us/sacramento-mass-shooting-suspect-paid-thousands-county
4 of 10
Didn’t resort to name calling and the use of ellipses is lacking. Like the addition of Putin and look forward to his name being dropped by you in discussions and not pertaining to the topic at hand.
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Guns aren't the issue. Bad people are the issue.
I guess bad people just don't exist in developed countries throughout the world outside of the USA.
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Every illegal gun was once a legal gun. Which means legal gun owners allowing those guns to become illegal guns is the real problem. Until we fix that, we're just tilting at windmills.
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What's your solution, rocket?
And I, for one, am glad that mass shootings never occur in places like Texas and Florida.
Wait, what? Six of the 10 deadliest mass shootings in American history took place in Texas and Florida? NM
Certainly the solution could not be putting into place some common sense gun laws that would make it more difficult for the bad guys to get guns in their hands. Don't touch my Second Amendment rights!
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Every illegal gun was once a legal gun.
Yes, this. The cognitive dissonance between objective probability of more guns = more guns death vs. normative but low probabilty counterfactuals (good guy with a gun) really can't result in anything but what we're seeing.
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Still waiting on an answer why America is the only developed nation where mass shootings happen so frequently.
What could it be?
I guess other developed nations don’t have mental illness, poverty, bad guys, etc. That all must be specific to America.
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This is not a constructive discussion at all. Every time something terrible like this happens the general narrative is one side states "we have to do something about this and guns" while the other side apparently believes guns and gun violence aren't a problem and the government will take away your rights. Neither are true and the conversation serves no purpose.. And the fact is we're not getting rid of the 2nd amendment nor should we.
So, what should be discussed is how can we calibrate laws to get guns out of the hands of murderers and criminals and how is it so easy to acquire a weapon either illegally or legally. It's also worth noting that women owns guns as well and their numbers are increasing. Yet, it's very rare that a mass shooting or horrific violence is committed by a woman.
As for the policy prescriptions it seems to me we should be able to come up with common sense solutions without politicizing every incident and villifying responsible gun owners.
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This is not a constructive discussion at all. Every time something terrible like this happens the general narrative is one side states "we have to do something about this and guns" while the other side apparently believes guns and gun violence aren't a problem and the government will take away your rights. Neither are true and the conversation serves no purpose.. And the fact is we're not getting rid of the 2nd amendment nor should we.
So, what should be discussed is how can we calibrate laws to get guns out of the hands of murderers and criminals and how is it so easy to acquire a weapon either illegally or legally. It's also worth noting that women owns guns as well and their numbers are increasing. Yet, it's very rare that a mass shooting or horrific violence is committed by a woman.
As for the policy prescriptions it seems to me we should be able to come up with common sense solutions without politicizing every incident and villifying responsible gun owners.
What's the difference between saying we should do something about guns and discussing how to calibrate laws to, well, do something about guns?
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This is not a constructive discussion at all. Every time something terrible like this happens the general narrative is one side states "we have to do something about this and guns" while the other side apparently believes guns and gun violence aren't a problem and the government will take away your rights. Neither are true and the conversation serves no purpose.. And the fact is we're not getting rid of the 2nd amendment nor should we.
So, what should be discussed is how can we calibrate laws to get guns out of the hands of murderers and criminals and how is it so easy to acquire a weapon either illegally or legally. It's also worth noting that women owns guns as well and their numbers are increasing. Yet, it's very rare that a mass shooting or horrific violence is committed by a woman.
As for the policy prescriptions it seems to me we should be able to come up with common sense solutions without politicizing every incident and villifying responsible gun owners.
While you are not wrong Muggsy, we've had that discussion many times both in real life and here on Scoop. Numerous common sense guns laws have been suggested, none of which "gets rid of the 2nd Amendment". Unfortunately all such suggestions are met with silence, or the Buffons screeching about "bad guys", "criminals don't care about laws", or other stupidity.
It really doesn't matter how many victims there are or what their ages are, one side simply has ZERO interest in changing the status quo.
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What's your solution, rocket?
And I, for one, am glad that mass shootings never occur in places like Texas and Florida.
Wait, what? Six of the 10 deadliest mass shootings in American history took place in Texas and Florida? NM
studies show that most incarcerated criminals don't re-offend and/or cease to be safety risks to general population
btw, who said anything about texas and florida?
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While you are not wrong Muggsy, we've had that discussion many times both in real life and here on Scoop. Numerous common sense guns laws have been suggested, none of which "gets rid of the 2nd Amendment". Unfortunately all such suggestions are met with silence, or the Buffons screeching about "bad guys", "criminals don't care about laws", or other stupidity.
It really doesn't matter how many victims there are or what their ages are, one side simply has ZERO interest in changing the status quo.
Is it truly "one side has zero interest" or like myriad other politicized issues is it enough posturing and screeching from certain factions that kill legislation dead? Whether it be the absurdly powerful gun lobby and the SECOND AMENDMENT TO STOP GOVERNMENT TYRANNY faction or the "there is no reason for anyone to have guns" faction?
I mean, the bump stock ban after Vegas shows some sensible clawing back can be done.
In a perfect, mildly realistic world, I'm all in favor of moving towards something more in line with the UK's gun laws. But people will lose their minds without handguns
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studies show that most incarcerated criminals don't re-offend and/or cease to be safety risks to general population
btw, who said anything about texas and florida?
So, I ask again, what's your solution? Be specific. Now's your big chance to show us you're a serious, intelligent person, not some automaton who regurgitates the latest Fox News talking points, only with poor punctuation and grammar.
As for Texas and Florida, you wrote "it's california, new york, what's the difference" in regards to mass shootings, implying that particuar brand of criminality was somehow endemic to those kinds of states. It's not.
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While you are not wrong Muggsy, we've had that discussion many times both in real life and here on Scoop. Numerous common sense guns laws have been suggested, none of which "gets rid of the 2nd Amendment". Unfortunately all such suggestions are met with silence, or the Buffons screeching about "bad guys", "criminals don't care about laws", or other stupidity.
It really doesn't matter how many victims there are or what their ages are, one side simply has ZERO interest in changing the status quo.
We have the most stringent gun laws in the nation here in California. There are probably 100+ laws in the books. We also seemingly have far more gun ownership than ever and horrific shootings like Sacramento. The laws here are not the status quo are they?
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In a perfect, mildly realistic world, I'm all in favor of moving towards something more in line with the UK's gun laws. But people will lose their minds without handguns
Seems a preferable outcome to "thousands of people will lose their lives every year to them."
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We have the most stringent gun laws in the nation here in California. There are probably 100+ laws in the books. We also seemingly have far more gun ownership than ever and horrific shootings like Sacramento. The laws here are not the status quo are they?
California has one of the lowest gun-death rates in the nation - 7th to be exact - pretty extraordinary when you consider the number of large, urban areas. Among the states with even lower rates? New York, New Jersey and Massachusetts.
Highest rates?
Alaska, Alabama, Missouri, Wyoming, Louisiana, Mississippi.
Anyone who says stringent gun laws don't make a difference is lying to you.
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/sosmap/firearm_mortality/firearm.htm
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California has one of the lowest gun-death rates in the nation - 7th to be exact - pretty extraordinary when you consider the number of large, urban areas. Among the states with even lower rates? New York, New Jersey and Massachusetts.
Highest rates?
Alaska, Alabama, Missouri, Wyoming, Louisiana, Mississippi.
Anyone who says stringent gun laws don't make a difference is lying to you.
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/sosmap/firearm_mortality/firearm.htm
Yes, but we've also had more gun ownership , mass shootings, and violent crime in recent years.
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Is it truly "one side has zero interest" or like myriad other politicized issues is it enough posturing and screeching from certain factions that kill legislation dead? Whether it be the absurdly powerful gun lobby and the SECOND AMENDMENT TO STOP GOVERNMENT TYRANNY faction or the "there is no reason for anyone to have guns" faction?
I mean, the bump stock ban after Vegas shows some sensible clawing back can be done.
In a perfect, mildly realistic world, I'm all in favor of moving towards something more in line with the UK's gun laws. But people will lose their minds without handguns
UK self-defense laws wouldn't exactly go over well here. I think it's illegal to carry pepper-spray.
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Yes, but we've also had more gun ownership , mass shootings, and violent crime in recent years.
I'm not sure what your point is.
First, I'm not sure about mass shootings. What's your source on that?
Second, gun ownership and crime have risen across the country. California isn't unique or an outlier.
Third, nothing you just said contradicts the fact that states with tougher gun laws tend to see fewer people killed by guns.
So, what's your point?
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I'm not sure what you're point is.
First, I'm not sure about mass shootings. What's your source on that?
Second, gun ownership and crime have risen across the country. California isn't unique or an outlier.
Third, nothing you just said contradicts the fact that states with tougher gun laws tend to see fewer people killed by guns.
So, what's your point?
Look at homicide rates. I never stated I was against fewer people owning guns. I assume suicide rates are way up as well. All I'm saying is illegal gun purchases are part of this equation (like Sacramento). Also, fewer people per capita are being killed by guns here and other places, not fewer people.
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The person of interest is in custody.
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They apparently got the guy.
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So this is Wisconsin's fault, again.
> A 62-year-old man, Frank R. James, was captured in connection with the mass shooting on a subway train in Brooklyn, in which at least 23 people were injured.
> addresses in Philadelphia and Wisconsin
-NYTimes
https://www.nytimes.com/live/2022/04/13/nyregion/brooklyn-subway-shooting
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Very fortunate this didn’t turn out much, much worse. As someone who took the el consistently in Chicago pre-pandemic, something like yesterday was always in the back of my mind and I’m surprised it hasn’t occurred more often (closed space with a lot of people that have nowhere to go).
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So this is Wisconsin's fault, again.
> A 62-year-old man, Frank R. James, was captured in connection with the mass shooting on a subway train in Brooklyn, in which at least 23 people were injured.
> addresses in Philadelphia and Wisconsin
-NYTimes
https://www.nytimes.com/live/2022/04/13/nyregion/brooklyn-subway-shooting
Go Badgers!
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Is it truly "one side has zero interest" or like myriad other politicized issues is it enough posturing and screeching from certain factions that kill legislation dead? Whether it be the absurdly powerful gun lobby and the SECOND AMENDMENT TO STOP GOVERNMENT TYRANNY faction or the "there is no reason for anyone to have guns" faction?
I mean, the bump stock ban after Vegas shows some sensible clawing back can be done.
In a perfect, mildly realistic world, I'm all in favor of moving towards something more in line with the UK's gun laws. But people will lose their minds without handguns
I don't know if you meant it this way, but your post smacks of massive "bothsiderism".
Which side, would you say, blocks any and all gun control proposals?
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Look at homicide rates. I never stated I was against fewer people owning guns. I assume suicide rates are way up as well. All I'm saying is illegal gun purchases are part of this equation (like Sacramento). Also, fewer people per capita are being killed by guns here and other places, not fewer people.
Ummmmmm, yes. So you are saying the more stringent laws work then, right?
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Seems a preferable outcome to "thousands of people will lose their lives every year to them."
You don't have to sell me. Just stating facts. I know a surprising number of people with a handgun, many of them not "gun nuts", and not rootin tootin mega conservative, that would oppose it. There is a cultural undertone of gun ownership that is an issue, across demos.
UK self-defense laws wouldn't exactly go over well here. I think it's illegal to carry pepper-spray.
I didn't say we adopt their whole set of laws. Just their "need/justification" based model for gun ownership. Their police/VIPs wear stab vests instead of kevlar and body armor. Thats not a terrible trade off.
I don't know if you meant it this way, but your post smacks of massive "bothsiderism".
Which side, would you say, blocks any and all gun control proposals?
Bothsiderism is used bat away any criticism of the current US political climate to continue to solely vilify the party that one doesn't favor. There is basically zero bipartisanship anymore. Both sides have thoroughly F-d that up, so everyone sticks to party lines and that often lets unproductive crap happen. I don't see any sort of sea change by either party sticking without complete ownership of both House and Senate.
Believe me, I'm not fan/supporter/whatnot of the mid to far right, but I also think screeching that they are evil and cruel etc... is just cover for a complete unproductive lack of political acumen by the left as an attempt to curry favor in a different way. They are politicians, bought and paid for, like all of them, regardless of letter next to their name. I can't stand the NRA, but if there was an anti-gun lobby with the sway and money that they have, the whole discussion would be different.
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Bothsiderism is used bat away any criticism of the current US political climate to continue to solely vilify the party that one doesn't favor. There is basically zero bipartisanship anymore. Both sides have thoroughly F-d that up, so everyone sticks to party lines and that often lets unproductive crap happen. I don't see any sort of sea change by either party sticking without complete ownership of both House and Senate.
No, it's pointing out false equivalency. You're engaging pretending that both sides are equally at fault for the incredible gun carnage in the U.S. and the failure to do anything about it legislatively.
I noticed you didn't answer: which side opposes any and every bit of gun legislation?
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Keep your eyes on Grand Rapids today.
The whole area is prepared for violent protests which so far haven't come. The preparation and briefings are fascinating. Let's hope the peaceful protests and patience for the process continue. Videos of the shooting and the events leading up to it were released today.
Almost glad for the rainy weather.
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Can't believe Lizzo was the subway shooter.
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No, it's pointing out false equivalency. You're engaging pretending that both sides are equally at fault for the incredible gun carnage in the U.S. and the failure to do anything about it legislatively.
I noticed you didn't answer: which side opposes any and every bit of gun legislation?
I assumed it was a rhetorical question. I'm not an idiot and you were clearly implying something that didn't need to be said. REPUBLICANS OPPOSE FURTHER GUN LEGISLATION. Better?
There are many MANY factors and groups at fault for the gun problem in America and further stalemates at provoking meaningful change, laying it at the feet of opposing party politicians to further the "our guys good, those guys bad" mentality which exemplifies politics in the 21st century is reductive and tribal.
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I assumed it was a rhetorical question. I'm not an idiot and you were clearly implying something that didn't need to be said. REPUBLICANS OPPOSE FURTHER GUN LEGISLATION. Better?
There are many MANY factors and groups at fault for the gun problem in America and further stalemates at provoking meaningful change, laying it at the feet of opposing party politicians to further the "our guys good, those guys bad" mentality which exemplifies politics in the 21st century is reductive and tribal.
No, it's accountability. You can play the "both sides" (or "many groups") all you want, but it simply isn't true or accurate. Only one side is accountable for the gun problem in America.
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I assumed it was a rhetorical question. I'm not an idiot and you were clearly implying something that didn't need to be said. REPUBLICANS OPPOSE FURTHER GUN LEGISLATION. Better?
There are many MANY factors and groups at fault for the gun problem in America and further stalemates at provoking meaningful change, laying it at the feet of opposing party politicians to further the "our guys good, those guys bad" mentality which exemplifies politics in the 21st century is reductive and tribal.
That does need to be said. Over and over and over until something is done about the problem.
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No, it's accountability. You can play the "both sides" (or "many groups") all you want, but it simply isn't true or accurate. Only one side is accountable for the gun problem in America.
Do you think the NRA is more accountable for the problem than the GOP?
That does need to be said. Over and over and over until something is done about the problem.
Maybe the problem is people don't actually care. Only 30% of Americans own a gun, and of that 60-65% of those owners lean right. Thats plenty of people to groundswell and actually affect change, instead of complaining and expecting politicians to do it.
I'm not excusing any politician, I'm just beyond expecting them to be anything but self serving mercenaries who only answer to and fear election losses. People expecting them to be altruistic and thinking of the greater good are like people being shocked that a tiger eats someone who jumps into its enclosure.
NRA membership is not even a quarter of gun owners in the most gun loving country in the world, yet they are the most powerful lobby in the country.
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Do you think the NRA is more accountable for the problem than the GOP?
They are the exact same side.
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REPUBLICANS OPPOSE FURTHER GUN LEGISLATION.
Not all of us do!
I'm a registered Republican in Florida and I favor bans on automatic and semi-automatic weapons and Kelvar piercing bullets. I can't stand the NRA but I agree with them that there should be a special place in prison for people who commit crimes with firearms. Any crime -- and that includes having an unregistered firearm -- should get you a paroleless trip to a nearby supermax prison.
Gun control by itself isn't the answer. What might work for Chicago won't work for Fairbanks, Alaska, where a friend of mine lives in a heavily wooded suburb and carries a handgun to scare off the moose and bears that wander on to his property. Chicago gun control also won't work in rural Montana, where a handgun is protection in a part of the world where the nearest police officer at any given time is an hour away. One gun bill does not fit all.
Gun control in many cases fails to recognize the hunter. Take away deer hunting in Wisconsin and alcohol consumption triples. It's one of the three pillars of life in Wisconsin (the other two being booze and the Packers).
The answer is punishment, beginning with illegal possession and going all the way up to "throw away the key" for people who kill with guns. We don't like to talk like this anymore in society but we need to start basically saying "your life is over" if you commit a gun crime.
P.S. -- I don't own a gun and never will. I think too many of my fellow Floridians are nuts. The gun culture here is illogical and absurd.
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Can't believe Lizzo was the subway shooter.
Don't quit your day job, Carlin.
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Don't quit your day job, Carlin.
::) ::)
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Wags, nobody opposes ALL gun laws that is simply false. The current laws are not respected by criminals
and with repeat offenders being released immediately to reoffend sometimes within hours) many people are arming themselves for protection. What doesn't get reported are the hundreds of times that a crime is thwarted or a bodily harm is averted because someone had a firearm. If you don't want to own a gun fine don't cancel someone else's right .
Some of Y'all need to read the Federalist Papers for background.
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dgies
I agree completely with your post. I will sit back and see why that way of thinking is completely wrong, but very good post.
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Gun control by itself isn't the answer. What might work for Chicago won't work for Fairbanks, Alaska, where a friend of mine lives in a heavily wooded suburb and carries a handgun to scare off the moose and bears that wonder on to his property. Chicago gun control also won't work in rural Montana, where a handgun is protection in a part of the world where the nearest police officer at any given time is an hour away. One gun bill does not fit all.
Gun control in many cases fails to recognize the hunter. Take away deer hunting in Wisconsin and alcohol consumption triples. It's one of the three pillars of life in Wisconsin (the other two being booze and the Packers).
I think you are misusing the term "gun control" to imply the elimination of guns. It isn't. If you look through multiple threads on scoop where the issue has been previously discussed, none of the numerous suggestions around gun control include complete elimination of guns as your post implies. You can have common sense laws that still include hunters, home and rural protection, etc., but which will still significantly reduce the amount of gun crime and gun deaths.
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I think you are misusing the term "gun control" to imply the elimination of guns. It isn't. If you look through multiple threads on scoop where the issue has been previously discussed, none of the numerous suggestions around gun control include complete elimination of guns as your post implies. You can have common sense laws that still include hunters, home and rural protection, etc., but which will still significantly reduce the amount of gun crime and gun deaths.
Brother T:
"Sensible gun control" is an abstract noun that means what a speaker or listener wants it to mean. I'll concede to you that in Scoop, "sensible gun control" means what I described in my original post -- the elimination of automatic weapons etc., and reasonable limitations on gun shows, interstate transportation of weapons, mandatory training and a host of other initiatives.
Where I disagree with you is the extent to which folks want to limit firearms. There's some at the far end of the "other" political spectrum who clearly want to ban all firearms and who think that all we have to do is legally ban firearms in the United States and our communities will be saved, crime will end and all will be good. They're as ridiculous as the folks at the extreme end of "my" political thought who think we ought to arm everybody and shoot it out in hopes the good will be left standing.
Yeah right.
I challenge you and anyone else to define "sensible" gun control in a way that gets 60 votes in the United States Senate. Hell, we had the Parkland shootings at Marjorie Stoneman Douglas High down near Ft. Lauderdale and could not get any kind of meaningful "sensible gun control" through the legislature. And that was before the "evil" Ron DeSantis was elected.
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I drove up 41 yesterday from Milwaukee for the first time in a decade, Google preferred the route.
The majority of billboards are porn shops, gun shops and "Pornography leads to human traffcking" presented by the Knights of Columbus. Wild place.
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How many stops did ya make along da way, hey?
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Brother T:
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Where I disagree with you is the extent to which folks want to limit firearms. There's some at the far end of the "other" political spectrum who clearly want to ban all firearms and who think that all we have to do is legally ban firearms in the United States and our communities will be saved, crime will end and all will be good. They're as ridiculous as the folks at the extreme end of "my" political thought who think we ought to arm everybody and shoot it out in hopes the good will be left standing.
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To offer a slightly different angle on this, I am in favor of repealing the 2nd Amendment. I realize that is an "extreme" position, but it is because I've come to believe its a necessary step to achieve the Scoop definition of sensible gun control. I am sick of taking L after L after L on this issue to try and seem reasonable and measured to gun nuts who are disinterested in reasonable compromise. Meanwhile people are dying in droves in ways that doesn't happen in other countries, and the overton window continues to shift toward a more and more gun-drunk culture. I think the 2A has been manipulated beyond repair and needs to be done away with. Even if the 2A were repealed, I'm not against people keeping their low capacity handguns or hunting rifles or whatever. But I also don't care enough about people's right to keep those to think its worth staying on the path we're on now.
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I am against the repeal of any amendment. if you repeal one, all can be threatened.
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I am against the repeal of any amendment. if you repeal one, all can be threatened.
67 Senators and 290 Reps have bad news for you.
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Wags, nobody opposes ALL gun laws that is simply false. The current laws are not respected by criminals
and with repeat offenders being released immediately to reoffend sometimes within hours) many people are arming themselves for protection. What doesn't get reported are the hundreds of times that a crime is thwarted or a bodily harm is averted because someone had a firearm. If you don't want to own a gun fine don't cancel someone else's right .
Some of Y'all need to read the Federalist Papers for background.
LOL.
Why does the level of gun violence and mass shootings that occur in America not happen in any other developed nation? Just so strange that I can’t seem to get an answer to this question from the “laws are not respected by criminals” group.
And to be clear, I’m not for the repeal of the 2nd Amendment. Gun violence is a multi-faceted, complex issue. But the “criminals don’t respect laws” take is just so lazy it’s hard to comprehend.
And if someone believes that our gun safety laws (or lack thereof), the proliferation of guns in this country and the culture that comes with it don’t have any impact on gun violence in America, they really should remove their heads from their asses before they suffocate.
https://abcnews.go.com/US/countries-show-us-americas-gun-violence-epidemic/story?id=80495637
https://www.thetrace.org/2021/10/why-more-shootings-in-america-gun-violence-data-research/
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-41488081
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Brother T:
"Sensible gun control" is an abstract noun that means what a speaker or listener wants it to mean. I'll concede to you that in Scoop, "sensible gun control" means what I described in my original post -- the elimination of automatic weapons etc., and reasonable limitations on gun shows, interstate transportation of weapons, mandatory training and a host of other initiatives.
Where I disagree with you is the extent to which folks want to limit firearms. There's some at the far end of the "other" political spectrum who clearly want to ban all firearms and who think that all we have to do is legally ban firearms in the United States and our communities will be saved, crime will end and all will be good. They're as ridiculous as the folks at the extreme end of "my" political thought who think we ought to arm everybody and shoot it out in hopes the good will be left standing.
Yeah right.
I challenge you and anyone else to define "sensible" gun control in a way that gets 60 votes in the United States Senate. Hell, we had the Parkland shootings at Marjorie Stoneman Douglas High down near Ft. Lauderdale and could not get any kind of meaningful "sensible gun control" through the legislature. And that was before the "evil" Ron DeSantis was elected.
There have been MANY discussions on Scoop over the years in which even most of the farthest left folks never suggested taking away all guns.
As an independent who leans left on social issues and center on financial issues, I'd be content with passing laws that the vast majority of Americans consider "sensible," for example: requiring universal background checks; closing the gun-show loophole; preventing people with mental illnesses from buying or owning guns; banning high-capacity ammo magazines. All of those measures have wide bipartisan support according to numerous polls -- I'm talking 65% to 90%.
Instead, what we've gotten over the last several years have been looser gun laws. 21 states now do not require permits for the open or concealed carry of guns. Many states now let people take guns into bars -- I mean, what could possibly go wrong?
We have some very powerful lobbies in this country, led by the NRA, who make it difficult for any sensible gun legislation to be passed. In the aftermath of the Parkland shootings in your state, the then-president actually suggested: "Take the guns first, go through due process second.” His vice president and several other politicians from his party nearly had a heart attack on the spot, and the NRA immediately stepped in to scold the then-president, who quickly reversed course lest he turn off the GOP's golden spigot.
So yes, there are "sensible" laws that could be enacted that have significant nationwide support across the political spectrum, and quite a few are even widely supported by Republicans ... but you're probably right that getting even a couple of GOP senators to sign on won't happen -- even though a majority of their constituents want these laws.
The last paragraph of your previous post made me laugh out loud. I liked it so much I decided to make it my signature, so thanks for that!
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Brother T:
"Sensible gun control" is an abstract noun that means what a speaker or listener wants it to mean. I'll concede to you that in Scoop, "sensible gun control" means what I described in my original post -- the elimination of automatic weapons etc., and reasonable limitations on gun shows, interstate transportation of weapons, mandatory training and a host of other initiatives.
Where I disagree with you is the extent to which folks want to limit firearms. There's some at the far end of the "other" political spectrum who clearly want to ban all firearms and who think that all we have to do is legally ban firearms in the United States and our communities will be saved, crime will end and all will be good. They're as ridiculous as the folks at the extreme end of "my" political thought who think we ought to arm everybody and shoot it out in hopes the good will be left standing.
Yeah right.
I challenge you and anyone else to define "sensible" gun control in a way that gets 60 votes in the United States Senate. Hell, we had the Parkland shootings at Marjorie Stoneman Douglas High down near Ft. Lauderdale and could not get any kind of meaningful "sensible gun control" through the legislature. And that was before the "evil" Ron DeSantis was elected.
I am sure there is a sliver on the far left espousing complete ban on guns. However, it is just that, a sliver, and given where we are with gun culture in this country it isn't even worth considering their solutions as they are not viable and only detract from more sensible solutions.
The problem isn't finding 60 Senators, the problem is finding even a single GOP Senator, much less 10, who will vote for even the mildest gun reform. You would need to have ~65 Democratic Senators (because their will always be your handful of Manchins), while also having the House and the White House, to get anything done. Even after the massacre in Las Vegas the GOP refused to vote to ban bump stocks, which one would have thought would qualify sensible gun control, and they were banned only by executive order.
So, I challenge you define "sensible" gun control that gets ANY GOP support.
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Wags, nobody opposes ALL gun laws that is simply false. The current laws are not respected by criminals
and with repeat offenders being released immediately to reoffend sometimes within hours) many people are arming themselves for protection. What doesn't get reported are the hundreds of times that a crime is thwarted or a bodily harm is averted because someone had a firearm. If you don't want to own a gun fine don't cancel someone else's right .
Some of Y'all need to read the Federalist Papers for background.
The number of instances in which a gun is used to thwart a crime are tiny, and, as study after study has shown, a firearm owned for "protection" is far more likely to be used against yourself or a member of your household than it is in self-defense.
And rather than serving as protection, the presence of a gun is more likely to escalate than de-escalate the violence in any confrontation.
https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/hicrc/firearms-research/gun-threats-and-self-defense-gun-use-2/
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Pakuni that is simply not true. Crimes deterred because of self defense are underreported by the media.
The same media that cried "Russian Collusion" for 5 years and regarding a candidate destroying supoenaed
information and a son's laptop ....Crickets. you are fed what they want you to hear. It doesn't fit their agenda.
The existing laws are simply not enforced
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Pakuni that is simply not true. Crimes deterred because of self defense are underreported by the media.
The same media that cried "Russian Collusion" for 5 years and regarding a candidate destroying supoenaed
information and a son's laptop ....Crickets. you are fed what they want you to hear. It doesn't fit their agenda.
The existing laws are simply not enforced
LOL
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"There is no greater barrier to understanding than the assumption that the standpoint we happen to
occupy is universal"
Nietzche
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The number of instances in which a gun is used to thwart a crime are tiny, and, as study after study has shown, a firearm owned for "protection" is far more likely to be used against yourself or a member of your household than it is in self-defense.
And rather than serving as protection, the presence of a gun is more likely to escalate than de-escalate the violence in any confrontation.
https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/hicrc/firearms-research/gun-threats-and-self-defense-gun-use-2/
Try as you might, they are impervious to facts
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Pakuni that is simply not true. Crimes deterred because of self defense are underreported by the media.
The same media that cried "Russian Collusion" for 5 years and regarding a candidate destroying supoenaed
information and a son's laptop ....Crickets. you are fed what they want you to hear. It doesn't fit their agenda.
The existing laws are simply not enforced
OK, Alex. Now tell us about the gay frogs.
Love the guys who, when presented with data that contradicts their world view, are only capable of going full-on conspiracy theory and off-topic ramblings.
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"There is no greater barrier to understanding than the assumption that the standpoint we happen to
occupy is universal"
Nietzche
I didn't think you could top your previous post, but here we are.
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Let's be honest.....if nothing changed after Sandy Hook it never will. And that's beyond pathetic.
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Let's be honest.....if nothing changed after Sandy Hook it never will. And that's beyond pathetic.
Only the United States govt is allowed to kill children with out consequence.
https://youtu.be/4iFYaeoE3n4?t=10 (https://youtu.be/4iFYaeoE3n4?t=10)
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/12/13/us/politics/afghanistan-drone-strike.html (https://www.nytimes.com/2021/12/13/us/politics/afghanistan-drone-strike.html)
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/12/13/us-will-not-punish-military-over-afghanistan-drone-killing-of-civilians.html (https://www.cnbc.com/2021/12/13/us-will-not-punish-military-over-afghanistan-drone-killing-of-civilians.html)
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OK, Alex. Now tell us about the gay frogs.
Love the guys who, when presented with data that contradicts their world view, are only capable of going full-on conspiracy theory and off-topic ramblings.
Roqqet went ahead and blurted it out last week: they don't care one iota about facts or objective reality, they live in a bubble where whatever they want to be true is.
Wallstreet got in a twofer. Not only did he say your facts don't matter, he got to blame it on the nebulous "media", one of the great boogeymen right behind Soros. And, without looking too deeply into the study you posted, I'm going to hazard a guess that "media reports" was not a data set used in the study.
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To offer a slightly different angle on this, I am in favor of repealing the 2nd Amendment. I realize that is an "extreme" position, but it is because I've come to believe its a necessary step to achieve the Scoop definition of sensible gun control. I am sick of taking L after L after L on this issue to try and seem reasonable and measured to gun nuts who are disinterested in reasonable compromise. Meanwhile people are dying in droves in ways that doesn't happen in other countries, and the overton window continues to shift toward a more and more gun-drunk culture. I think the 2A has been manipulated beyond repair and needs to be done away with. Even if the 2A were repealed, I'm not against people keeping their low capacity handguns or hunting rifles or whatever. But I also don't care enough about people's right to keep those to think its worth staying on the path we're on now.
Brother T:
There goes your argument!
Brother Burrow:
Using guns as an excuse for the violence in our society is a cop-out. We can legislate anything we like, even the point of changing our constitution. What we can't do is assume that if we pass a law, people will uniformly follow it. Nor can we assume that prosecutors and judges will do exactly what the legislature intends.
The difference between our society and many other first-world nations is the fundamental difference between American culture and literally anyplace else in the World. We pride ourselves in being a diverse culture that favors the individual's rights. We have too many elements of our society whose values and beliefs clash with other elements. It's more than political values -- it's the difference in how we live out lives and how we see the world around us. When cultures clash, we end up with violence, disagreement and what we have too frequently in America.
Look, there's a lot of other things we need to deal with to end poverty and crime in society. Begin with investment and move to ensure that we're productive enough that we're too busy to hate.
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Using guns as an excuse for the violence in our society is a cop-out. We can legislate anything we like, even the point of changing our constitution. What we can't do is assume that if we pass a law, people will uniformly follow it. Nor can we assume that prosecutors and judges will do exactly what the legislature intends.
The difference between our society and many other first-world nations is the fundamental difference between American culture and literally anyplace else in the World. We pride ourselves in being a diverse culture that favors the individual's rights. We have too many elements of our society whose values and beliefs clash with other elements. It's more than political values -- it's the difference in how we live out lives and how we see the world around us. When cultures clash, we end up with violence, disagreement and what we have too frequently in America.
I firmly disagree. There isn't a need to play 4-D chess here. We don't have gun death rates that are 8x Canada and 100x UK becuase "we pride ourselves in being a diverse culture that favors the individual's rights." We aren't the home of mass shootings becuase "elements of our society's values clash with other elements." Its because we have the highest firearm ownership rates in the world.
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Comparing Canada to the U.S. in anything is like comparing Delaware to California.
It just doesn't wash.
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Comparing Canada to the U.S. in anything is like comparing Delaware to California.
It just doesn't wash.
I don't know what you mean by that.
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Brother T:
There goes your argument!
No, not really. I acknowledged some people may hold that position. But, as I stated, there is a VAST middle ground of sensible legislation that a majority of Americans support.
But again, can you point me to 1 GOP Senator, much less 10, that would support even the mildest of reforms?
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No, not really. I acknowledged some people may hold that position. But, as I stated, there is a VAST middle ground of sensible legislation that a majority of Americans support.
But again, can you point me to 1 GOP Senator, much less 10, that would support even the mildest of reforms?
18 GOP Senators voted for VAWA. Granted, it should have been all of them, and the present VAWA legislation took out some common sense provisions. Progress, perhaps?
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Comparing Canada to the U.S. in anything is like comparing Delaware to California.
It just doesn't wash.
Why?
And you're missing the point regarding violence and guns. No, lowering the number of guns out there won't eliminate violence or violent people. But it will give them far less harmful tools with which to act.
Given your druthers, would you rather be in a shopping mall with a homicidal maniac armed with an AR-15 or a steak knife? An AR-15 or a hammer? An AR-15 or a 5-shot hunting rifle?
This is the disingenuous argument of the pro-gun crowd ... that no restriction is worthwhile because it can't prevent every instance of violence. Is saving lives not a worthy enough motivation?
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Pakuni that is simply not true. Crimes deterred because of self defense are underreported by the media.
The same media that cried "Russian Collusion" for 5 years and regarding a candidate destroying supoenaed
information and a son's laptop ....Crickets. you are fed what they want you to hear. It doesn't fit their agenda.
The existing laws are simply not enforced
Can you point me to a source where there's available data on crimes deterred due to guns?
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Can you point me to a source where there's available data on crimes deterred due to guns?
https://press.uchicago.edu/Misc/Chicago/493636.html
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This is the disingenuous argument of the pro-gun crowd ... that no restriction is worthwhile because it can't prevent every instance of violence. Is saving lives not a worthy enough motivation?
Yep yep.
The only solution, obviously, is more guns for everyone.
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Yep yep.
The only solution, obviously, is more guns for everyone.
Now you’re getting it 82 and bigger magazines, more rounds oh man gotta stop man I’m getting all goose pimply
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https://press.uchicago.edu/Misc/Chicago/493636.html
Try again. Lott's work has been widely discredited. And more recent, peer-reviewed studies have contradicted his claims.
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I drove up 41 yesterday from Milwaukee for the first time in a decade, Google preferred the route.
The majority of billboards are porn shops, gun shops and "Pornography leads to human traffcking" presented by the Knights of Columbus. Wild place.
In Georgia, between Valdosta and Macon on Interstate 75 is a billboard that says, “Strippers, as seen on Jerry Springer!” Or billboards advertising strippers and gun shops that say, “Ample truck parking!”
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18 GOP Senators voted for VAWA. Granted, it should have been all of them, and the present VAWA legislation took out some common sense provisions. Progress, perhaps?
I'll grant you, 18 > 10, and that definitely qualifies as the mildest of reforms.
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There have been MANY discussions on Scoop over the years in which even most of the farthest left folks never suggested taking away all guns.
As an independent who leans left on social issues and center on financial issues, I'd be content with passing laws that the vast majority of Americans consider "sensible," for example: requiring universal background checks; closing the gun-show loophole; preventing people with mental illnesses from buying or owning guns; banning high-capacity ammo magazines. All of those measures have wide bipartisan support according to numerous polls -- I'm talking 65% to 90%.
Instead, what we've gotten over the last several years have been looser gun laws. 21 states now do not require permits for the open or concealed carry of guns. Many states now let people take guns into bars -- I mean, what could possibly go wrong?
We have some very powerful lobbies in this country, led by the NRA, who make it difficult for any sensible gun legislation to be passed. In the aftermath of the Parkland shootings in your state, the then-president actually suggested: "Take the guns first, go through due process second.” His vice president and several other politicians from his party nearly had a heart attack on the spot, and the NRA immediately stepped in to scold the then-president, who quickly reversed course lest he turn off the GOP's golden spigot.
So yes, there are "sensible" laws that could be enacted that have significant nationwide support across the political spectrum, and quite a few are even widely supported by Republicans ... but you're probably right that getting even a couple of GOP senators to sign on won't happen -- even though a majority of their constituents want these laws.
The last paragraph of your previous post made me laugh out loud. I liked it so much I decided to make it my signature, so thanks for that!
... and sadly none of that would have prevented Sandy Hook. His mother legally purchased all those guns. He kills his mother then goes on his rampage. What sensible law would prevent that? The only way to prevent that would be to confiscate every gun in the US and repeal the 2nd amendment; anything else is just hot air.
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... and sadly none of that would have prevented Sandy Hook. His mother legally purchased all those guns. He kills his mother then goes on his rampage. What sensible law would prevent that? The only way to prevent that would be to confiscate every gun in the US and repeal the 2nd amendment; anything else is just hot air.
Absolutely ridiculous, defeatist take by somebody who simply doesn't want any change that would save human lives.
Happiness is a warm gun.
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... and sadly none of that would have prevented Sandy Hook. His mother legally purchased all those guns. He kills his mother then goes on his rampage. What sensible law would prevent that? The only way to prevent that would be to confiscate every gun in the US and repeal the 2nd amendment; anything else is just hot air.
This is totally incorrect. There were at least two measures that had been suggested long before Sandy Hook - one that actually had been enacted - that would have at the very least lessened the tragedy.
1. Reinstated, rather than let expire, the 1994 Assault Weapons Ban, which outlawed the weapon used by the shooter and others of its kind
- Legislated limits on magazine capacity. The kid was carrying 30-round magazines, allowing him to fire off 150+ rounds in less than five minutes.
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... and sadly none of that would have prevented Sandy Hook. His mother legally purchased all those guns. He kills his mother then goes on his rampage. What sensible law would prevent that? The only way to prevent that would be to confiscate every gun in the US and repeal the 2nd amendment; anything else is just hot air.
‘No Way To Prevent This,’ Says Only Nation Where This Regularly Happens
https://www.theonion.com/no-way-to-prevent-this-says-only-nation-where-this-r-1846534576
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... and sadly none of that would have prevented Sandy Hook. His mother legally purchased all those guns. He kills his mother then goes on his rampage. What sensible law would prevent that? The only way to prevent that would be to confiscate every gun in the US and repeal the 2nd amendment; anything else is just hot air.
Speaking of hot air….
Just a sad, pathetic, incorrect take.
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E2VUwm_VUAAIYoc.jpg)
Kills 25 children and 2 pregnant women. Nominated for Director of the ATF.
Not even an apology.
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Shooting yesterday in Columbia SC shopping mall.
I’m on a flight back home to Charlotte as I write this. I read the headline to my wife and the woman in the seat in front of us turned around and said: “That’s where I live, and I’m shocked. That’s a real nice mall.”
It happens anywhere.
If only everyone in the mall had been packing and opened fire. That woulda solved it!
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Did ya pay four WI-FI, hey?
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If only everyone in the mall had been packing and opened fire. That woulda solved it!
Well, he is claiming self defense, that he was shot at first. Despite the fact that he was was involved in a previous murder, he was able to purchase a firearm legally. Didn't have a conceal carry license (not that having a conceal carry license would have stopped anything)
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Gunfight at a Pittsburgh party over the weekend, with most guests/participants believed to be under 18.
Meanwhile, far-right activists in several states, including Texas, Montana and Louisiana, have teamed up with politicians to remove books and cut library boards.
Guns good ... books bad! 'Murica!
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Gunfight at a Pittsburgh party over the weekend, with most guests/participants believed to be under 18.
Meanwhile, far-right activists in several states, including Texas, Montana and Louisiana, have teamed up with politicians to remove books and cut library boards.
Guns good ... books bad! 'Murica!
Unicorns and rainbows are being cancelled, too. Sad!
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Money handed out to criminals for self-help...outstanding logic, hey?
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Gunfight at a Pittsburgh party over the weekend, with most guests/participants believed to be under 18.
Meanwhile, far-right activists in several states, including Texas, Montana and Louisiana, have teamed up with politicians to remove books and cut library boards.
Guns good ... books bad! 'Murica!
Remove libraries altogether and shift the funding so we can put a Glock in every newborn’s hands.
For safety.
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Remove libraries altogether and shift the funding so we can put a Glock in every newborn’s hands.
For safety.
Can you imagine if libraries didn't exist and we tried to get them implemented in today's political/cultural climate?
"You want ME to pay for someone else to have access to books??"
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Can you imagine if libraries didn't exist and we tried to get them implemented in today's political/cultural climate?
"You want ME to pay for someone else to have access to books??"
Couldn’t happen. How many fainting spells would the woke right have seeing books being available to kids?
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Can you imagine if libraries didn't exist and we tried to get them implemented in today's political/cultural climate?
"You want ME to pay for someone else to have access to books??"
Well, considering most of the first public libraries were privately funded, I would assume we would have left leaning and right leaning libraries.
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Can you imagine if libraries didn't exist and we tried to get them implemented in today's political/cultural climate?
"You want ME to pay for someone else to have access to books??"
Libraries would go the way of book stores. Libraries should be retooling their physical product delivery anyway.
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Libraries would go the way of book stores. Libraries should be retooling their physical product delivery anyway.
They are. Have you visited your library recently?
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They are. Have you visited your library recently?
Umm, yes I have which is my point to Rico.
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Umm, yes I have which is my point to Rico.
Gotcha, misread.
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How come nobody ever mentions on here the daily mass shootings in Chicago every day?
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How come nobody ever mentions on here the daily mass shootings in Chicago every day?
LOL. Yeah... NOBODY has mentioned that here on Scoop. ::)
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How come nobody ever mentions on here the daily mass shootings in Chicago every day?
Cause there aren't daily mass shootings in Chicago every day.
(As opposed to those daily mass shootings every week?)
Also, it's no longer 2016. Find a new dog whistle.
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How come nobody ever mentions on here the daily mass shootings in Chicago every day?
Nobody is mentioning another unarmed black man being shot in the head by a cop. Perhaps we are just numb.
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Nobody is mentioning another unarmed black man being shot in the head by a cop. Perhaps we are just numb.
That’s because it was justified. I have plenty of black, white, yellow, etc. friends, yet none of them have ever gotten shot in the head by a cop. That’s because none of them have put themselves in situations that would lead to something like that. Crazy.
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Flabbergasted that we would disagree.
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That’s because it was justified. I have plenty of black, white, yellow, etc. friends, yet none of them have ever gotten shot in the head by a cop. That’s because none of them have put themselves in situations that would lead to something like that. Crazy.
Racist trolls have no friends.
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Racist trolls have no friends.
C'mon, 82.
I'm sure his many "yellow" friends appreciate being called "yellow."
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Gunfight at a Pittsburgh party over the weekend, with most guests/participants believed to be under 18.
Meanwhile, far-right activists in several states, including Texas, Montana and Louisiana, have teamed up with politicians to remove books and cut library boards.
Guns good ... books bad! 'Murica!
Forget banning books. How about a nice Germany style book burning?
Same effect, but much more stylish.
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C'mon, 82.
I'm sure his many "yellow" friends appreciate being called "yellow."
I swam across
I jumped across for you
Oh, what a thing to do
'Cause you were all yellow
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That’s because it was justified. I have plenty of black, white, yellow, etc. friends, yet none of them have ever gotten shot in the head by a cop. That’s because none of them have put themselves in situations that would lead to something like that. Crazy.
Where are your green and blue friends?
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That’s because it was justified. I have plenty of black, white, yellow, etc. friends, yet none of them have ever gotten shot in the head by a cop. That’s because none of them have put themselves in situations that would lead to something like that. Crazy.
You're disgusting.
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From op-ed in the Charlotte Observer:
The arrival of the pandemic and protests over George Floyd’s killing spurred a surge in people buying guns. Nationally, gun sales rose by 65 percent in 2020 to a record of nearly 23 million guns – many of them sold to first-time buyers. Texas, with seven gun sales per 100 adults, led the nation. Not surprisingly, the Lone Star State is experiencing a sharp increase in road rage shootings.
The Center for American Progress published an analysis in March 2020 that showed that across the U.S. 1.8 million guns were stolen from individuals between 2012 and 2017, including 97,467 in North Carolina. The number of annual gun thefts is likely higher today. In Charlotte and Mecklenburg County, for instance, 1,099 guns were reported stolen in the first nine months 2021, an increase of 36 percent over the prior year, according to police data reviewed by WCNC Charlotte.
https://www.charlotteobserver.com/opinion/article260467467.html#storylink=cpy
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I'm coming around to roQQet's insistence that we lock up the bad guys for a long, long time.
Let's start with supreme bad guy Madison Cawthorn, whose latest in a series of transgressions was trying to sneak a loaded Staccato C2 through airport security. (Allegedly, of course!)
https://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/politics-government/article260774752.html?ac_cid=DM638783&ac_bid=-316318806
Bad, bad guy and threat to society (in addition to insurrection inciter). I would think taking away his House seat, letting him rot in prison for a dozen years or so, and never letting him own a firearm again all would make America a safer place.
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I'm coming around to roQQet's insistence that we lock up the bad guys for a long, long time.
Let's start with supreme bad guy Madison Cawthorn, whose latest in a series of transgressions was trying to sneak a loaded Staccato C2 through airport security. (Allegedly, of course!)
https://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/politics-government/article260774752.html?ac_cid=DM638783&ac_bid=-316318806
Bad, bad guy and threat to society (in addition to insurrection inciter). I would think taking away his House seat, letting him rot in prison for a dozen years or so, and never letting him own a firearm again all would make America a safer place.
Why this post?
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Why this post?
We were talking about there being no need for gun control as long as we lock up all the bad guys.
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Why this post?
It's the misogynist manchild. He hasn't had a thread locked in a while and started getting twitchy.
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Bad, bad guy and threat to society (in addition to insurrection inciter). I would think taking away his House seat, letting him rot in prison for a dozen years or so, and never letting him own a firearm again all would make America a safer place.
Better to start with all of the living Presidents to lead by example. Although I think they are all guilty of war crimes, they are entitled to a trial by jury of their peers. Then Gitmo.