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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on April 11, 2022, 12:44:21 PM
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If Marquette wins the national championship next year, it will be the longest length of time in between championships in the history of the D1 tournament.
This will continue to be the case into the future as long as one of the following schools doesn't win in the meantime: Loyola Chicago, Cincinnati, Ohio State, California, San Francisco, La Salle, Holy Cross, Oklahoma State, Utah, Wyoming, Wisconsin or Oregon.
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You've identified every school that won a National Championship prior to 1978 but that hasn't won one since.
That's an interesting fact. I think it just illustrates how dominate a few programs have become in the last 40-45 years in winning championships. If you take away Duke, North Carolina, UCONN, Indiana, Villanova, Louisville, Michigan State and Kentucky, you don't have much left.
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You've identified every school that won a National Championship prior to 1978 but that hasn't won one since.
That's an interesting fact. I think it just illustrates how dominate a few programs have become in the last 40-45 years in winning championships. If you take away Duke, North Carolina, UCONN, Indiana, Villanova, Louisville, Michigan State and Kentucky, you don't have much left.
And Florida. I think those 9 are the only ones with 2 or more in the past 45 years.
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And Florida. I think those 9 are the only ones with 2 or more in the past 45 years.
And Kansas...Dorothy.
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Here’s an interesting fact. Marquette will not win a National Championship next year.
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And Kansas...Dorothy.
Yep, probably shoulda thought of that one
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Yep, probably shoulda thought of that one
You Toto-ly should have.
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You Toto-ly should have.
No need to get witchy about it
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Winning would be Wicked Popular.
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Winning would be Wicked Popular.
Certainly wold be Defying a lot of expectations currently had.
Would have a lot of people on this message board dancing through life.
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Certainly wold be Defying a lot of expectations currently had.
Would have a lot of people on this message board dancing through life.
A lot of scare crows and tin foil hat wearing posters, too.
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It would be the Baum.
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It would be the Baum.
Lent ain't done til Wednesday, kin.
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Shoot. I was swearing on the golf course today, too.
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If Marquette wins the national championship next year, it will be the longest length of time in between championships in the history of the D1 tournament.
This will continue to be the case into the future as long as one of the following schools doesn't win in the meantime: Loyola Chicago, Cincinnati, Ohio State, California, San Francisco, La Salle, Holy Cross, Oklahoma State, Utah, Wyoming, Wisconsin or Oregon.
What about Texas Western? Name changed maybe to Texas A&M.
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What about Texas Western? Name changed maybe to Texas A&M.
UTEP
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What about Texas Western? Name changed maybe to Texas A&M.
UTEP
Yep. Forgot them. Good catch.
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What about Texas Western? Name changed maybe to Texas A&M.
Texas Western is about 11 hour drive from TAMU
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What about Texas Western? Name changed maybe to Texas A&M.
What about Texas Western indeed!
When Loyola won the NCAA title in 1963 with 4 black starters it was an historic event that I really didn’t appreciate in real time. In my defense, I was only a high school freshman and the game wasn’t even televised live in Chicago - believe it or not it was on tape delay!
But by the time Texas Western made their historic run (with 5 black starters) in 1966 I was a high school senior. I was familiar with their story (two of their key players, Orsten Artis and Harry Flournoy we’re from nearby Gary, In) and network TV was all over it. On a retreat a month earlier I had first heard Martin Luther King’s “I have a dream” speech in its entirety. So when they met all white Kentucky for the title I was all in. Big Daddy Dave Latin, Bobby Joe Hill, Willie Worsley and the rest - a great team and a true coming of age moment for me, the first (of only a handful) of times I felt I was watching something truly historical. Most of my Marquette friends learned to despise Adolph Rupp after we played Kentucky in back to back NCAA tournament games in 1967 and 68. For me it all began in March of 1966 when little Texas Western took down #1 Kentucky for the National Championship.
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What about Texas Western indeed!
When Loyola won the NCAA title in 1963 with 4 black starters it was an historic event that I really didn’t appreciate in real time. In my defense, I was only a high school freshman and the game wasn’t even televised live in Chicago - believe it or not it was on tape delay!
But by the time Texas Western made their historic run (with 5 black starters) in 1966 I was a high school senior. I was familiar with their story (two of their key players, Orsten Artis and Harry Flournoy we’re from nearby Gary, In) and network TV was all over it. On a retreat a month earlier I had first heard Martin Luther King’s “I have a dream” speech in its entirety. So when they met all white Kentucky for the title I was all in. Big Daddy Dave Latin, Bobby Joe Hill, Willie Worsley and the rest - a great team and a true coming of age moment for me, the first (of only a handful) of times I felt I was watching something truly historical. Most of my Marquette friends learned to despise Adolph Rupp after we played Kentucky in back to back NCAA tournament games in 1967 and 68. For me it all began in March of 1966 when little Texas Western took down #1 Kentucky for the National Championship.
Great story, Lenny.
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What about Texas Western indeed!
When Loyola won the NCAA title in 1963 with 4 black starters it was an historic event that I really didn’t appreciate in real time. In my defense, I was only a high school freshman and the game wasn’t even televised live in Chicago - believe it or not it was on tape delay!
But by the time Texas Western made their historic run (with 5 black starters) in 1966 I was a high school senior. I was familiar with their story (two of their key players, Orsten Artis and Harry Flournoy we’re from nearby Gary, In) and network TV was all over it. On a retreat a month earlier I had first heard Martin Luther King’s “I have a dream” speech in its entirety. So when they met all white Kentucky for the title I was all in. Big Daddy Dave Latin, Bobby Joe Hill, Willie Worsley and the rest - a great team and a true coming of age moment for me, the first (of only a handful) of times I felt I was watching something truly historical. Most of my Marquette friends learned to despise Adolph Rupp after we played Kentucky in back to back NCAA tournament games in 1967 and 68. For me it all began in March of 1966 when little Texas Western took down #1 Kentucky for the National Championship.
I graduated HS the same year as you and grew up in the Chicago burb of Riverside. Adolph Rupp was worthy of his ogre role and when Marquette took his team down I was ecstatic. in one of my classes, we had a prof from Alabama with a very strong Southern accent who assured us that Kentucky would show Marquette how the game was supposed to be played. He was a good sport about it days later after the game in which Al got his revenge, recalling Marquette's takedown of UK with imitations of our defense driving the UK players crazy.
You're right that the Texas Southern game was historic, and seeing UK and Rupp go down was fantastic. Was Rupp formerly a member of the KKK or was that just a rumor by his multitude of haters?
Since we were at Marquette at the same time, do you remember a student who was effectively a two legged megaphone at the games and was referred to simply as "The Mouth"?
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I interviewed John Green, best player on UCLA's 62 Final Four team, just over a year ago. Said before I even asked a question and before I start recording that Rupp wasn't racist, but didn't want to go against the rest of the SEC. No way to verify the accuracy of that, but just passing it along. Found it interesting that he brought that up without being asked about it at all.
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I interviewed John Green, best player on UCLA's 62 Final Four team, just over a year ago. Said before I even asked a question and before I start recording that Rupp wasn't racist, but didn't want to go against the rest of the SEC. No way to verify the accuracy of that, but just passing it along. Found it interesting that he brought that up without being asked about it at all.
No idea whether Rupp was a racist - hope John Green’s belief is accurate. I do know that Al wasn’t a big fan of the Baron. Before we played them in the 1967 NCAA tournament, Rupp famously said to McGuire, “Son, I ‘d like you to come on my weekly TV (or radio - not sure) show this week. Al’s reply? “No thanks, Coach, and unless I’m in the will don’t call me son!”.
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I graduated HS the same year as you and grew up in the Chicago burb of Riverside. Adolph Rupp was worthy of his ogre role and when Marquette took his team down I was ecstatic. in one of my classes, we had a prof from Alabama with a very strong Southern accent who assured us that Kentucky would show Marquette how the game was supposed to be played. He was a good sport about it days later after the game in which Al got his revenge, recalling Marquette's takedown of UK with imitations of our defense driving the UK players crazy.
You're right that the Texas Southern game was historic, and seeing UK and Rupp go down was fantastic. Was Rupp formerly a member of the KKK or was that just a rumor by his multitude of haters?
Since we were at Marquette at the same time, do you remember a student who was effectively a two legged megaphone at the games and was referred to simply as "The Mouth"?
I don’t remember “The Mouth” but I confess some might have felt that description fit me pretty well.
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Rupp tried to get UK to ditch the SEC because he wanted to desegregate the basketball team. I know this is from a UK fan site, but this is a story about one of his assistant coaches.
https://kentucky.rivals.com/news/rice-reed-was-scout-for-rupp-before-joining-staff
Wes Unseld was offered a scholarship by Rupp in 1964, so he would have been on that Cats team that lost to Texas Western had he not chose Louisville instead.
So I know this doesn't really answer the question about how racist Rupp was, but it does show that he was at least more open to desegregating the UK basketball team than rumored.