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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: BostonMUaler on April 08, 2022, 08:05:46 AM
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Career High for Sam Hauser in Milwaukee last night and some nice quotes from his coach.
https://nesn.com/2022/04/ime-udoka-gushed-about-sam-hauser-before-celtics-rookie-career-night/
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Career High for Sam Hauser in Milwaukee last night and some nice quotes from his coach.
https://nesn.com/2022/04/ime-udoka-gushed-about-sam-hauser-before-celtics-rookie-career-night/
Who?
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He's from Stevens Point! Green Bay is about 80 miles away.
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Stevens Point is just like Green Bay, minus the Packers…. And the big lake…
He's from Stevens Point! Green Bay is about 80 miles away.
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Is that the brother of the new Phy Ed teacher at SPASH?
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Apparently he's a good letter writer? IDK...
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Celtic coach Ime Udoka twice referred to Sam as “cerebral”. Given that, not surprising he became disillusioned with the previous regime at MU.
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Celtic coach Ime Udoka twice referred to Sam as “cerebral”. Given that, not surprising he became disillusioned with the previous regime at MU.
The Hausers definitely strike me as really smart guys.
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Unfortunately, they had the misfortune of numb nuts as a "coach," hey?
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Unfortunately, they had the misfortune of numb nuts as a "coach," hey?
Wojo was a numb nuts ... but his numb-nuttedness doesn't really explain why Vanilla Soft Serve has regressed badly under a Hall of Fame coach, and why Sam only got 0.6 FGA/game more under another potential HoF coach before choking like a dog in Virginia's NCAAT loss to Ohio, nu?
Career High for Sam Hauser in Milwaukee last night and some nice quotes from his coach.
I think Sam will play in the NBA for a long time because he performs an in-demand skill at an elite level. But there is an entire thread dedicated to him and his baby bro in the Superbar.
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The Hausers definitely strike me as really smart guys.
Well, you’re much more qualified to judge than Sam’s coaches in Steven’s Point, Virginia and Boston…so there’s that.
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Well, you’re much more qualified to judge than Sam’s coaches in Steven’s Point, Virginia and Boston…so there’s that.
Scoop: Let's have some light-hearted fun on a Friday afternoon in the off-season
<Lenny's comes to Sam's defense>
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Sam died so that we can live. He wrote a letter, soon others wrote a blog. And then we were free.
Thank you Sam!
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Wojo was a numb nuts ... but his numb-nuttedness doesn't really explain why Vanilla Soft Serve has regressed badly under a Hall of Fame coach, and why Sam only got 0.6 FGA/game more under another potential HoF coach before choking like a dog in Virginia's NCAAT loss to Ohio, nu?
I think Sam will play in the NBA for a long time because he performs an in-demand skill at an elite level. But there is an entire thread dedicated to him and his baby bro in the Superbar.
Do you think Wojo is a better coach than Tom Izzo or Tony Bennett? If not, then stop trying to suggest the performance of the Hauser brothers post-Marquette has anything to do with the caliber of coach Wojo was. The Hausers proved plenty smart when they recognized Wojo was in over his head.
Cerebral is a perfect word to describe Sam as a player. Recall JJJ saying he loved playing with Sam for the same reasons - right place, right time, makes the right play, virtually every time; quite the alternative to the ball-hog that Markus Howard was while playing with Sam and Joey.
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The Hausers definitely strike me as really smart guys.
Of course. They had enough of Wojo-Dukiet long before all the excuse makers did.
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The Hausers suck. They’ve proven as much since they left. Never should have recruited them. Quitters tht run away as soon as things don’t go their way but they are white guys without tattoos from rural
Wisconsin, so they got that going for them
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Do you think Wojo is a better coach than Tom Izzo or Tony Bennett? If not, then stop trying to suggest the performance of the Hauser brothers post-Marquette has anything to do with the caliber of coach Wojo was. The Hausers proved plenty smart when they recognized Wojo was in over his head.
Cerebral is a perfect word to describe Sam as a player. Recall JJJ saying he loved playing with Sam for the same reasons - right place, right time, makes the right play, virtually every time; quite the alternative to the ball-hog that Markus Howard was while playing with Sam and Joey.
I responded in the Hauser thread in the Superbar, where this entire thread should be.
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Good lord. Do we really need another Hauser thread? I’ve never seen anything like the obsession with two players who voluntarily left the team.
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Do you think Wojo is a better coach than Tom Izzo or Tony Bennett? If not, then stop trying to suggest the performance of the Hauser brothers post-Marquette has anything to do with the caliber of coach Wojo was. The Hausers proved plenty smart when they recognized Wojo was in over his head.
Cerebral is a perfect word to describe Sam as a player. Recall JJJ saying he loved playing with Sam for the same reasons - right place, right time, makes the right play, virtually every time; quite the alternative to the ball-hog that Markus Howard was while playing with Sam and Joey.
LOL
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Good lord. Do we really need another Hauser thread? I’ve never seen anything like the obsession with two players who voluntarily left the team.
Yep. Superbar.
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Good lord. Do we really need another Hauser thread? I’ve never seen anything like the obsession with two players who voluntarily left the team.
You haven't paid much attention, almost everything becomes an obsession here ;D
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The Hausers suck. They’ve proven as much since they left. Never should have recruited them. Quitters tht run away as soon as things don’t go their way but they are white guys without tattoos from rural
Wisconsin, so they got that going for them
Racist
What the hell does white guys without tattoos have to do with Hausets BB skills
Call them quitters if you want to
Then Garcia was a quitter along with many others They left because they realized that Wojo sucked something you cannot comprehend
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Racist
What the hell does white guys without tattoos have to do with Hausets BB skills
Call them quitters if you want to
Then Garcia was a quitter along with many others They left because they realized that Wojo sucked something you cannot comprehend
The Hausers set back the Marquette program a decade
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Wut's a Hauset?
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Wut's a Hauset?
It's a German speaking Belgian community that's near Aachen, the birthplace of Charlemagne and where Holy Roman Emperors were crowned. In Wisconsin terms, that's Stevens Point.
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The Hausers definitely strike me as really smart guys.
I had them pegged more like Lenny and George.
or Lenny and Squiggy.
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It's a German speaking Belgian community that's near Aachen, the birthplace of Charlemagne and where Holy Roman Emperors were crowned. In Wisconsin terms, that's Stevens Point.
Stevens Point should be given to Iowa. It’s worthless
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Do you think Wojo is a better coach than Tom Izzo or Tony Bennett? If not, then stop trying to suggest the performance of the Hauser brothers post-Marquette has anything to do with the caliber of coach Wojo was. The Hausers proved plenty smart when they recognized Wojo was in over his head.
Cerebral is a perfect word to describe Sam as a player. Recall JJJ saying he loved playing with Sam for the same reasons - right place, right time, makes the right play, virtually every time; quite the alternative to the ball-hog that Markus Howard was while playing with Sam and Joey.
Markus sold tickets. The Hausers, not so much.
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Superbar thread.
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keep the brewery however...
Stevens Point should be given to Iowa. It’s worthless
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Career High for Sam Hauser in Milwaukee last night and some nice quotes from his coach.
https://nesn.com/2022/04/ime-udoka-gushed-about-sam-hauser-before-celtics-rookie-career-night/
Who? Virginia Cavalier cry baby? Why a thread about him?
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Anybody thinking, after four mentions, that 82 wants this in the Superbar?
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The Hausers set back the Marquette program a decade
Wrong! Wojo- Dukiet set it back a decade. It is the coach, something you cannot get a grasp on.
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Wrong! Wojo- Dukiet set it back a decade. It is the coach, something you cannot get a grasp on.
No, it was the Hausers-Copa’s something you cannot get a grasp on. It is the players. Never recruit hillbillies
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Wrong! Wojo- Dukiet set it back a decade. It is the coach, something you cannot get a grasp on.
Have a burger and calm down.
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Anybody thinking, after four mentions, that 82 wants this in the Superbar?
After multiple posts he had nothing left to add - other than multiple posts saying “Move the thread!”
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Hausers should be applauded for exposing Woj as the disaster of a coach he was. Otherwise, its likely da dude would still be sinking this program like da Titanic, aina?
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After multiple posts he had nothing left to add - other than multiple posts saying “Move the thread!”
I added stuff -- to the Hauser thread in the Superbar -- where this belongs.
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I added stuff -- to the Hauser thread in the Superbar -- where this belongs.
And Lenny’s wonders why I question his cognitive abilities. 😂😂😂
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Hausers should be applauded for exposing Woj as the disaster of a coach he was. Otherwise, its likely da dude would still be sinking this program like da Titanic, aina?
This is true. Adding these losers exposed Wojo. It also brought Tony Bennett and Tom Izzo two of their worst back-to-back seasons because they’re cancers to teams and programs. Never recruit white trash from rural Wisconsin, aina?
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Hausers should be applauded for exposing Woj as the disaster of a coach he was. Otherwise, its likely da dude would still be sinking this program like da Titanic, aina?
We need TC back
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Racist
What the hell does white guys without tattoos have to do with Hausets BB skills
Call them quitters if you want to
Then Garcia was a quitter along with many others They left because they realized that Wojo sucked something you cannot comprehend
Uncle R a racist? Clarissa implies I’m a racist with my BLM ALM take, but Uncle R a racist? Only if Clarissa says so.
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Uncle R a racist? Clarissa implies I’m a racist with my BLM ALM take, but Uncle R a racist? Only if Clarissa says so.
People here still don't understand teal-less teal, SAD
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People here still don't understand teal-less teal, SAD
No, I’m pretty racist. I don’t want mouth breathers playing hoops at Marquette that come from north of Ozaukee County
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Two things can be true at once.
For example, Wojo was a bad coach AND the Hausers were pretty boys who left because they couldn't stand playing second fiddle to Markus.
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Uncle R a racist? Clarissa implies I’m a racist with my BLM ALM take, but Uncle R a racist? Only if Clarissa says so.
So sensitive!
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We need TC back
Crean sucks
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No, I’m pretty racist. I don’t want mouth breathers playing hoops at Marquette that come from north of Ozaukee County
Last tyme eye looked, Fond du Lac wuz knot inn Ozaukee County, hey?
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Last tyme eye looked, Fond du Lac wuz knot inn Ozaukee County, hey?
Crean recruit and Crean sucked
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Yeah, butt Diener didant, aina?
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Yeah, butt Diener didant, aina?
No natty’s
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Two things can be true at once.
For example, Wojo was a bad coach AND the Hausers were pretty boys who left because they couldn't stand playing second fiddle to Markus.
Really sad they couldn't play with a first team All-American.
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No, it was the Hausers-Copa’s something you cannot get a grasp on. It is the players. Never recruit hillbillies
You are seriously a bigot. White guys without tattoos and hillbillies?
Since you claim to be an uncle, you are now a monkeys uncle
But stay classy. Your solidarity with Wojo-Dukiet will never wear off you
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You are seriously a bigot. White guys without tattoos and hillbillies?
Since you claim to be an uncle, you are now a monkeys uncle
But stay classy. Your solidarity with Wojo-Dukiet will never wear off you
Thanks, Winnie
Your solidarity with the Hauser-Copa’s will never wear off. Sad!
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"Solidarity" sounds awfully socialist.
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"Solidarity" sounds awfully socialist.
Wally wants the inmates running the jail like a true socialist
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You are seriously a bigot. White guys without tattoos and hillbillies?
Since you claim to be an uncle, you are now a monkeys uncle
But stay classy. Your solidarity with Wojo-Dukiet will never wear off you
Have a Royale with cheese and relax
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You are seriously a bigot. White guys without tattoos and hillbillies?
Since you claim to be an uncle, you are now a monkeys uncle
But stay classy. Your solidarity with Wojo-Dukiet will never wear off you
Hey, wait a minute. I grew up in a town that proudly called its annual festival Hillbilly Days.
Ever wonder why I left? LOL!!!
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Uncle Rico is the best post on scoop and it's not even close
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Uncle Rico is the best post on scoop and it's not even close
If only he could rebound...
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If only he could rebound...
And fit the culture....
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This is true. Adding these losers exposed Wojo. It also brought Tony Bennett and Tom Izzo two of their worst back-to-back seasons because they’re cancers to teams and programs. Never recruit white trash from rural Wisconsin, aina?
This is by far the most true thing about the Whosers.
Also stop reposting 4evers stuff. I blocked him for a reason a dentist who claims to have graduated from MU that can’t type English.
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Two things can be true at once.
For example, Wojo was a bad coach AND the Hausers were pretty boys who left because they couldn't stand playing second fiddle to Markus.
Maybe they couldn't stand playing second fiddle to Markus on a team that wasn't going to win anything playing that way.
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Sounds like sum pretty smart kats ta mee, aina?
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Maybe they couldn't stand playing second fiddle to Markus on a team that wasn't going to win anything playing that way.
Somebody gets it. Markus "Hero Ball" Howard is a fitting nickname.
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Sound like sum pretty smart kats ta mee, aina?
Sounds to me like they couldn’t stand playing with the greatest scorer in
MU history and a 1st team AA? Must have felt like Dean Meminger when Chones came on the scene….or not.
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I love the narrative that the Hausers just wanted to “play the right way” and wanted touches for Ed Morrow, Theo John, Jamal Cain, and Greg Elliott. If that’s the case, they’re nowhere near as smart as some here want to make them out to believe. Which explains the 1 NCAA Tourney win in 4 combined years after leaving MU while playing under 2 of the best coaches in the game.
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Sounds to me like they couldn’t stand playing with the greatest scorer in
MU history and a 1st team AA? Must have felt like Dean Meminger when Chones came on the scene….or not.
Much more a coaching issue than what you allude to.
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Much more a coaching issue than what you allude to.
How do you know that? How does that square with the guys who talked of leaving if the Hauser’s stayed?
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I love the narrative that the Hausers just wanted to “play the right way” and wanted touches for Ed Morrow, Theo John, Jamal Cain, and Greg Elliott. If that’s the case, they’re nowhere near as smart as some here want to make them out to believe. Which explains the 1 NCAA Tourney win in 4 combined years after leaving MU while playing under 2 of the best coaches in the game.
Considering where they transferred to, it makes a lot more sense than they just wanted more shots for themselves.
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Considering where they transferred to, it makes a lot more sense than they just wanted more shots for themselves.
They just went to the runner-up schools from when they chose Marquette.
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How do you know that? How does that square with the guys who talked of leaving if the Hauser’s stayed?
They didn’t trust Wojo and his coaching philosophy. It happens often. It’s just more touchy when it’s two of your best players.
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They just went to the runner-up schools from when they chose Marquette.
And did not see a big uptick in shots, unsurprisingly. Some people want to view that as the Hausers miscalculating. I don't.
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They didn’t trust Wojo and his coaching philosophy. It happens often. It’s just more touchy when it’s two of your best players.
So just guessing, not based on inside info?
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So just guessing, not based on inside info?
No - I have extremely reliable inside information.
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They didn’t trust Wojo and his coaching philosophy. It happens often. It’s just more touchy when it’s two of your best players.
1. Sam seemed fine with the philosophy for 2+ years. Only after Vanilla Soft Serve joined him did it become an issue.
2. There's an entire Hauser thread in the Superbar.
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1. Sam seemed fine with the philosophy for 2+ years. Only after Vanilla Soft Serve joined him did it become an issue.
2. There's an entire Hauser thread in the Superbar.
1 - Shockingly things can change over time.
2 - I’d prefer not to read a bunch of grown men constantly celebrate the failures of a college kid. Pretty pathetic.
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1 - Shockingly things can change over time.
2 - I’d prefer not to read a bunch of grown men constantly celebrate the failures of a college kid. Pretty pathetic.
1. Yes, things changed for Sam once baby bro poisoned the team chemistry.
2. And yet you're in this thread, where a bunch of grown men have celebrated the failures of a college kid.
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1. Yes, things changed for Sam once baby bro poisoned the team chemistry.
2. And yet you're in this thread, where a bunch of grown men have celebrated the failures of a college kid.
Grown men constantly obsessing and putting down kids is pathetic. Not sure how defending them makes me guilty by association.
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I love the narrative that the Hausers just wanted to “play the right way” and wanted touches for Ed Morrow, Theo John, Jamal Cain, and Greg Elliott. If that’s the case, they’re nowhere near as smart as some here want to make them out to believe. Which explains the 1 NCAA Tourney win in 4 combined years after leaving MU while playing under 2 of the best coaches in the game.
Sammy and Joey were such great team guys…they quit the team.
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Grown men constantly obsessing and putting down kids is pathetic. Not sure how defending them makes me guilty by association.
Cool.
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1 - Shockingly things can change over time.
2 - I’d prefer not to read a bunch of grown men constantly celebrate the failures of a college kid. Pretty pathetic.
I think some people are celebrating that the pro-Hauser crowd aren't the basketball experts they claim to be. Especially the ones who attended Marquette in the 1970s, so they know ball. Just ask them!
There were several smug posters that labeled Wojo a loser and the Hausers winners. They couldn't shut up about how smart the Hausers were for leaving for better coaches and programs. The Hausers were going to win big, or so they thought.
Then the Hausers failed to win big and Joey failed to become a star. That gave other posters the ammo they needed to call out these self-proclaimed experts. That is what I see playing out in this thread.
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I think some people are celebrating that the pro-Hauser crowd aren't the basketball experts they claim to be. Especially the ones who attended Marquette in the 1970s, so they know ball. Just ask them!
There were several smug posters that labeled Wojo a loser and the Hausers winners. They couldn't shut up about how smart the Hausers were for leaving for better coaches and programs. The Hausers were going to win big, or so they thought.
Then the Hausers failed to win big and Joey failed to become a star. That gave other posters the ammo they needed to call out these self-proclaimed experts. That is what I see playing out in this thread.
When they left, I was mad at Wojo and the staff and like any transfer, didn’t begrudge their choice.
Then scoop started having threads devolve into Hauser threads or see new Hauser threads start every couple weeks or so.
The biggest Hauser fanboys also tend to be the ones that want every other Wojo recruit to transfer or go pro and not let the door hit them on the way out, so it’s a bit bizarre but like I said many times, if they were city kids that looked like Theo John or from anywhere outside of Stevens Point, I doubt many of those same people care
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They didn’t trust Wojo and his coaching philosophy. It happens often. It’s just more touchy when it’s two of your best players.
Then why they would have stayed if Markus wasn't coming back?
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Grown men constantly obsessing and putting down kids is pathetic. Not sure how defending them makes me guilty by association.
That Sam Hauser "kid" is a 24-year-old professional athlete.
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Then why they would have stayed if Markus wasn't coming back?
Exactly.
When they left, I was mad at Wojo and the staff and like any transfer, didn’t begrudge their choice.
Then scoop started having threads devolve into Hauser threads or see new Hauser threads start every couple weeks or so.
The biggest Hauser fanboys also tend to be the ones that want every other Wojo recruit to transfer or go pro and not let the door hit them on the way out, so it’s a bit bizarre but like I said many times, if they were city kids that looked like Theo John or from anywhere outside of Stevens Point, I doubt many of those same people care
Yep.
And couple that with some of the horrible things that many (not all, but many) Hauser apologists had to say about Markus Howard -- a true student/athlete who spent 4 years as a great representative of Marquette University while creating so many exciting moments on the court.
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And if the Hauser’s were coming back at least 2 players were going to transfer and possibly more. If true, and my sources are good, then Wojo had to chose between the Hauser’s and the rest of the team—pretty easy decision.
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I think some people are celebrating that the pro-Hauser crowd aren't the basketball experts they claim to be. Especially the ones who attended Marquette in the 1970s, so they know ball. Just ask them!
There were several smug posters that labeled Wojo a loser and the Hausers winners. They couldn't shut up about how smart the Hausers were for leaving for better coaches and programs. The Hausers were going to win big, or so they thought.
Then the Hausers failed to win big and Joey failed to become a star. That gave other posters the ammo they needed to call out these self-proclaimed experts. That is what I see playing out in this thread.
Sam was the best player on a conference winning team.
Joey - not so much. He was probably better suited going somewhere else. He never really fit with what Izzo tried to do with him and incorporating him into the team.
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When they left, I was mad at Wojo and the staff and like any transfer, didn’t begrudge their choice.
Then scoop started having threads devolve into Hauser threads or see new Hauser threads start every couple weeks or so.
The biggest Hauser fanboys also tend to be the ones that want every other Wojo recruit to transfer or go pro and not let the door hit them on the way out, so it’s a bit bizarre but like I said many times, if they were city kids that looked like Theo John or from anywhere outside of Stevens Point, I doubt many of those same people care
To be clear - thankfully, I don’t fall into the stereotype explained above.
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Then why they would have stayed if Markus wasn't coming back?
They didn’t like Wojo’s handling, or lack thereof, of an injured Markus’ usage down the stretch.
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That Sam Hauser "kid" is a 24-year-old professional athlete.
Sam was a junior in college when he transferred and Joey a freshman.
A lot of the shade thrown their way is not directed at Sam the 24 year old Boston Celtic. It’s the traitor who ruined what Wojo had worked towards.
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And if the Hauser’s were coming back at least 2 players were going to transfer and possibly more. If true, and my sources are good, then Wojo had to chose between the Hauser’s and the rest of the team—pretty easy decision.
Wojo mishandled egos very poorly from the start. He let it get to the low point of bad blood within the team structure.
To be clear - I don’t fault Markus at all. Love the kid. He continued to do what he excelled at throughout his career and what he was recruited to do, down the stretch. Only problem was he was injured and less effective. Wojo should not have let him continue playing the way he did. Just my opinion.
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Considering where they transferred to, it makes a lot more sense than they just wanted more shots for themselves.
I agree with this analysis. They simply didn’t want to play with Markus another year, and that’s totally reasonable. People call the Hausers selfish, but can you imagine the hellfire and brimstone Markus and his family would’ve brought down upon Wojo if he’d reigned Markus in even a little bit?
There’s a reason Marquette wasn’t able to recruit any good guards while Markus was here. No one wants to play with a guy like that.
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I agree with this analysis. They simply didn’t want to play with Markus another year, and that’s totally reasonable. People call the Hausers selfish, but can you imagine the hellfire and brimstone Markus and his family would’ve brought down upon Wojo if he’d reigned Markus in even a little bit?
There’s a reason Marquette wasn’t able to recruit any good guards while Markus was here. No one wants to play with a guy like that.
Lol what?
The reason MU wasn’t able to recruit any good guards while Markus was here was because Wojo was going after guys like Nico Mannion who was having bags dropped for him by Arizona.
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Sam was the best player on a conference winning team.
Joey - not so much. He was probably better suited going somewhere else. He never really fit with what Izzo tried to do with him and incorporating him into the team.
Sam was one of my favorite players at MU. Loved his game going all the way back to his junior year of HS when I watched him at State.
But that Virginia team wasn't much different than the Marquette team from his junior year. They barely won the ACC, partially thanks to some covid cancellations. Then flamed out in the 1st round of the tournament.
It was at best marginally better than his junior year at Marquette. But some of the "experts" on Scoop thought Sam would surely play on the 2nd weekend after escaping Wojo playing for a stud coach like Tony Bennett. The Hausers were all about winning after all, so they would have deep tourney runs. And then they promptly won a grand total of one tournament over the next three years.
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we should revisit the Wojo / Howard / Hauser's thing again, it's fascinating for 112th time
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And if the Hauser’s were coming back at least 2 players were going to transfer and possibly more. If true, and my sources are good, then Wojo had to chose between the Hauser’s and the rest of the team—pretty easy decision.
Wojo was a great coach. A true leader of men. Wojo's X's and O's were fantastic, as was his roster management.
He didn't have a clue. Telling Markus to shoot more and giving him the "ultimate green light,' was a fools errand. His eFG was worse than both Sam and Joey's in their last year. Yes, efficiency goes down with higher usage, yet it wasn't as though Markus had two stiffs surrounding him.
Lastly it is stupid to interject race into the discussion as to caring or not caring about the Hauser's transfer. People cared because it illustrated just how poor of coach Wojo was, to lose his second and third best players on a team projected as a pre-season Top 5 team.
As for the two kids who may have transferred if the Hausers stayed? I'm sure one was Jamal - yet that was a function of Wojo coaching Jamal like an absolute jack-ass his sophomore year. Jamal should have transferred due to one-mistake Wojo yanking him at every mistake, meanwhile Markus Howard could have 6 turnovers, be a ball hog, and get told to shoot more.
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Wojo was a great coach. A true leader of men. Wojo's X's and O's were fantastic, as was his roster management.
He didn't have a clue. Telling Markus to shoot more and giving him the "ultimate green light,' was a fools errand. His eFG was worse than both Sam and Joey's in their last year. Yes, efficiency goes down with higher usage, yet it wasn't as though Markus had two stiffs surrounding him.
Lastly it is stupid to interject race into the discussion as to caring or not caring about the Hauser's transfer. People cared because it illustrated just how poor of coach Wojo was, to lose his second and third best players on a team projected as a pre-season Top 5 team.
As for the two kids who may have transferred if the Hausers stayed? I'm sure one was Jamal - yet that was a function of Wojo coaching Jamal like an absolute jack-ass his sophomore year. Jamal should have transferred due to one-mistake Wojo yanking him at every mistake, meanwhile Markus Howard could have 6 turnovers, be a ball hog, and get told to shoot more.
Except he stayed so must not have been about Wojo, it must have been something else.
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Except he stayed so must not have been about Wojo, it must have been something else.
I'd assume it was because a lot of PT opened up with the Hausers gone.
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Except he stayed so must not have been about Wojo, it must have been something else.
When the Hausers left, a ton of minutes opened up for Jamal and Bailey, the two players who probably would’ve departed if Sam and Joey stayed.
Let’s face it, Marquette was the best Jamal was ever going to do, and by his sophomore year, he’d very likely figured that out. Heck, look where he ended his career. I’m not surprised he stuck around to get big minutes at a major college basketball school.
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When the Hausers left, a ton of minutes opened up for Jamal and Bailey, the two players who probably would’ve departed if Sam and Joey stayed.
Let’s face it, Marquette was the best Jamal was ever going to do, and by his sophomore year, he’d very likely figured that out. Heck, look where he ended his career. I’m not surprised he stuck around to get big minutes at a major college basketball school.
I agree with this. Over the years we've time and time again seen incredibly athletic guys with low BB IQs who need more than the college experience to figure things out. Juan Anderson is the best example of this, and Jamal fits that bill as well. I assumed OMax was another one of those guys too, but I do think he improved throughout the season and will prove me wrong. I disagreed a lot about how Wojo coached, but I don't think he was wrong about the time he allotted to Jamal. Hopefully Jamal is able to continue growing and can maximize his athleticism.
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I agree with this analysis. They simply didn’t want to play with Markus another year, and that’s totally reasonable. People call the Hausers selfish, but can you imagine the hellfire and brimstone Markus and his family would’ve brought down upon Wojo if he’d reigned Markus in even a little bit?
There’s a reason Marquette wasn’t able to recruit any good guards while Markus was here. No one wants to play with a guy like that.
Markus kept Marquette relevant, in the headlines. AA, national POY candidate. If I was a pt guard, I’d love playing with Markus Howard. An easy 10-15 assists per.
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They didn’t like Wojo’s handling, or lack thereof, of an injured Markus’ usage down the stretch.
That didn't really answer the question, they would have stayed if Markus went pro. That has nothing to do with what you're saying.
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That didn't really answer the question, they would have stayed if Markus went pro. That has nothing to do with what you're saying.
To clarify - they didn’t trust how Wojo dealt with their complaints about Markus dominating the ball, most specifically when injured.
Sam and Joey stay if Markus leaves. That’s been very much established over the years. All trust between coach and Sam/Joey wasn’t lost.
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I'm sure Markus was a convenient excuse for Joey to blame his dissatisfaction on (and for Sam to support his little bro on). The issue wasn't Markus, it was that Joey should have gone to Michigan State in the first place. That happens and Sam graduates from MU with no issues. Hell, Joey may have even transferred here if he had a rough first year under Izzo.
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All I know is, give me a Sam Hauser every year at MU and I would be a happy fan. He is one of my all time post Al favorite players.
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All I know is, give me a Sam Hauser every year at MU and I would be a happy fan. He is one of my all time post Al favorite players.
0 Tourney wins in 3 years at MU, then transfers to the defending national champion, playing for a Hall of Fame coach, and shoots 4/16 from the field, clanks a wide open 3 pointer that would've sent the game into overtime in a loss to 14 seed Ohio in the opening round of the Tourney at UVA.
PASS! I like winning Tournament games. Sam didn't help any team do that. His transferring out of MU turned him into a nobody at MU, and he was always going to be a nobody being a one and done following up the first ever national title team at UVA.
Plus spent an extra year not being paid to play basketball, and still went undrafted.
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All I know is, give me a Sam Hauser every year at MU and I would be a happy fan. He is one of my all time post Al favorite players.
Really? Why?
I mean he was a decent player who exceeded expectations when he got here, and I guess was second team all BE in 2019, but the dude left the program without making much of a mark at all. I get why people like the guy, but he is WAY down on my list of favorite post Al players. I doubt he would even crack the top 30.
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No Balls Woj may still be at MU had he handled the entire Hauser/Howard clusterfook like a coach instead of a poosay. I know its not popular to praise Sam, but I will. Love his approach and knowledge of the game, aina?
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The problem is that you are using Sam as a proxy for your feelings about Wojo. Which is weird.
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The problem is that you are using Sam as a proxy for your feelings about Wojo. Which is weird.
Best letter-writer of the post-Al era.
But yeah, this is 100 percent it. And yeah, it's weird, but meat eaters gonna meat eat.
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Fluff
I would love to hear your 20-30 list of favorite post Al MU players. It has to be some list.
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What was your favorite Sam Hauser signature March moment, Virginia or Marquette? I’ll hang up and listen.
I know, not his fault. Insert eye roll gif
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Fluff
I would love to hear your 20-30 list of favorite post Al MU players. It has to be some list.
Goose,
I'd love to know why among the hundreds of players to put on the MU uniform over the past 45 years - including the All-Americans, the future NBA stars, the all-time leading scorers, the conference POYs, the first-team all-conference players, the guys who led the team to success in March - you choose Sam as one of your all-time favorites.
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Pakuni
I said post Al, not all time.
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Pakuni
I said post Al, not all time.
Goose,
I said "over the past 45 years," which is post-Al.
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Pakuni
I guess for similar reasons why some people have Theo John as an all time favorite. I find it comical that anyone would question why someone liked or dislike a specific player. I loved David Boone, Artie Green, Sam Worthen, Walter Downing, Vander Blue, Damon Key, Travis Diener, Wade and slew of others post Al and Sam is on that list.
I liked Sam a lot and when I heard Travis Diener say he is his favorite MU player it said a lot to me. He went on said that he should not have a favorite, but Sam was everything he would want from a teammate and that sealed the deal for me. I don't care about Wojo, letters, Joey or anything in the past on that topic. I liked Sam as a player and Diener convinced me that Sam was the real deal.
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Some Scoopers: Markus can't be on the Mt. Rushmore of MU hoops since the 70s because he didn't win anything in March.
Those same Scoopers: I have a man crush on Sam Hauser.
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No Balls Woj may still be at MU had he handled the entire Hauser/Howard clusterfook like a coach instead of a poosay. I know its not popular to praise Sam, but I will. Love his approach and knowledge of the game, aina?
This most likely would have been Wojo’s last year at MU anyway. The Duke job was likely going to be his unless he was a complete disaster at MU. And well…
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Bias
I NEVER said Markus could not be on the Mt. Rushmore because of lack of March success. I think he is not on Mt. Rushmore because there are better players in school history. Also, I had a man crush on David Boone and Vander Blue as basketball players, I liked Sam a lot as a player. Hence, my saying he was ONE of my all time post Al players.
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Pakuni
I guess for similar reasons why some people have Theo John as an all time favorite. I find it comical that anyone would question why someone liked or dislike a specific player. I loved David Boone, Artie Green, Sam Worthen, Walter Downing, Vander Blue, Damon Key, Travis Diener, Wade and slew of others post Al and Sam is on that list.
I liked Sam a lot and when I heard Travis Diener say he is his favorite MU player it said a lot to me. He went on said that he should not have a favorite, but Sam was everything he would want from a teammate and that sealed the deal for me. I don't care about Wojo, letters, Joey or anything in the past on that topic. I liked Sam as a player and Diener convinced me that Sam was the real deal.
I am questioning your memory on this. Either that, or Travis was most of the way through a case of Miller Lite.
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lawdog
I can 100% say that Diener said this on Homer during Sam's last year at MU. He very well might have been a case deep, but he 100% said it. I was floored to hear a former player say it, but he did.
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Hauser isn't even my favorite post-Al "Sam."
I'll take Sam Worthen, who was the star of the team when I was at Marquette, who was a blast to watch, and who led us to the Sweet 16 my freshman year.
He was a sweet-passing, great-ballhandling "pure PG" (for those who like categorizing such things) who also could score (averaged 17 ppg as senior). My friends and I used to do the "we are not worthy" bow when Sam would make his most incredible passes.
Except for long-distance shooting (there was no 3-point line back then), Worthen did pretty much everything better than Hauser.
Oh, and as a bonus, he never worked with his little brother to blow up a promising season.
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Some Scoopers: Markus can't be on the Mt. Rushmore of MU hoops since the 70s because he didn't win anything in March.
Those same Scoopers: I have a man crush on Sam Hauser.
Ha! True. Lots of talk out of both sides of peoples mouths.
I happened to like both Sam and Markus while they were at MU. I also appreciate them for their contributions to MU. It’s a shame they didn’t win in the post season but it is what it is. I appreciate Kur and Morsell and they didn’t win in the post season either.
Too much mental masturbation on this topic.
We’ve had some really good players over the last decade go to MU and ultimately their teams weren’t good enough to get it done. They worked their asses off for MU while they were here though and that should be applauded. Hopefully Shaka puts together a team that can get the job done March.
Go MU!
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Sam Hauser is not my favorite Sam, post Al either. I loved Sam Worthen.
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Fluff
I would love to hear your 20-30 list of favorite post Al MU players. It has to be some list.
Here you go. This is just off the top of my head without much thought so I'm sure I'm forgetting someone.
Doc Rivers
Tony Smith
Tony Miller
Damon Key
Jim McIlvaine
Robb Logterman
Ronny Eford
Aaron Hutchins
Brian Wardle
Dwyane Wade
Travis Deiner
Robert Jackson
Dom James
Wes Matthews
Jerel McNeal
Steve Novak
Lazar Hayward
Jae Crowder
Jimmy Butler
DJO
Jamil Wilson
Vander Blue
Markus Howard
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Sam Hauser is not my favorite Sam, post Al either. I loved Sam Worthen.
I'd buy a Sam Worthen jersey circa 1978-80. That would be a cool memento.
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Fluff
For the record, not a bad list. That said, I would not challenge you for having Robb Logterman or Brian Wardle on your list, but feel free to question that I liked Sam Hauser as a player at MU.
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Here you go. This is just off the top of my head without much thought so I'm sure I'm forgetting someone.
Doc Rivers
Tony Smith
Tony Miller
Damon Key
Jim McIlvaine
Robb Logterman
Ronny Eford
Aaron Hutchins
Brian Wardle
Dwyane Wade
Travis Deiner
Robert Jackson
Dom James
Wes Matthews
Jerel McNeal
Steve Novak
Lazar Hayward
Jae Crowder
Jimmy Butler
DJO
Jamil Wilson
Vander Blue
Markus Howard
Good list, though certainly could nitpick a few. I mean, Logterman? But it's your list, and I won't tell you who to have as a favorite.
I'd keep most of those and certainly add Sam Worthen to very near the top of that list.
Though if I'm to be honest, when Hauser actually was playing ball at Marquette, he'd have been on that list, right with or ahead of several of those. He played hard, played well and even played hurt. It's a shame that he pretty much had no choice but to go along for the ride with Vanilla Soft Serve.
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82
Seriously, anyone that questions if Sam was a very good MU basketball player is doing so to be difficult. I am not a Markus Howard fan, but cannot argue that he was a very good player at MU. Now, I can argue how he ranks all time, but not that he was borderline great player at MU.
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Here you go. This is just off the top of my head without much thought so I'm sure I'm forgetting someone.
Doc Rivers
Tony Smith
Tony Miller
Damon Key
Jim McIlvaine
Robb Logterman
Ronny Eford
Aaron Hutchins
Brian Wardle
Dwyane Wade
Travis Deiner
Robert Jackson
Dom James
Wes Matthews
Jerel McNeal
Steve Novak
Lazar Hayward
Jae Crowder
Jimmy Butler
DJO
Jamil Wilson
Vander Blue
Markus Howard
Davante?
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Fluff
For the record, not a bad list. That said, I would not challenge you for having Robb Logterman or Brian Wardle on your list, but feel free to question that I liked Sam Hauser as a player at MU.
Brian Wardle was a four year starter and all conference player who was the only bright spot on some pretty terrible teams as they transitioned to Crean.
I have a soft spot for Logtermann since I saw him match up with my brother in high school a number of times - with Rob by far getting the better end of that match-up.
I don't have players like Worthen on the list because that was a little bit before I was playing close attention to MU basketball.
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If Charles Luter isn’t on the list it’s not legit.
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If Charles Luter Joe Nethen isn’t on the list it’s not legit.
FTFY
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Fluff
I have no problem with your list. Simply saying that I have other people on my list, like Sam Hauser.
Shooter
I was a big Charles Luter fan. I think he had a chance to be a very good player prior to the injuries. I have always had a soft spot for him and Shannon Smith.
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Is a grown adult purchasing a '78-'80 Sam Worthen jersey on bar with calling him 'my guy"? I don't want you crossing over any clown line and having emoji's thrown your way. Now, I have no idea if it is crossing the clown emoji line, more curious if you think it is crossing the line or not.
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Is a grown adult purchasing a '78-'80 Sam Worthen jersey on bar with calling him 'my guy"? I don't want you crossing over any clown line and having emoji's thrown your way. Now, I have no idea if it is crossing the clown emoji line, more curious if you think it is crossing the line or not.
I'll stay out of the little war between you and Sultan. I already have a couple of fine gentlemen who "love" me enough here.
As for the Worthen jersey, if anybody knows where I can get one I'd be very interested. If that happens, this thread will not have been for naught.
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Is a grown adult purchasing a '78-'80 Sam Worthen jersey on bar with calling him 'my guy"? I don't want you crossing over any clown line and having emoji's thrown your way. Now, I have no idea if it is crossing the clown emoji line, more curious if you think it is crossing the line or not.
I am of the opinion that the best type of jersey that a grown adult should wear is a classic, somewhat obscure one. That's why when you see a guy wearing a Javon Walker #84 jersey at Lambeau Field, it is very likely me.
So Sam Worthen fits that bill.
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I am of the opinion that the best type of jersey that a grown adult should wear is a classic, somewhat obscure one. That's why when you see a guy wearing a Javon Walker #84 jersey at Lambeau Field, it is very likely me.
So Sam Worthen fits that bill.
The bigger question is if a 1979
Sam Worthen jersey fits a 2022 Vestie Scooper?
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Oooo.... Throwback sweater-vests? That could be fun...
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Oooo.... Throwback sweater-vests? That could be fun...
Maybe a Scoop Sad Sack Fantasy Camp is in order? We have quite a few dribblers here I have heard.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/254712808677?chn=ps&norover=1&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-117182-37290-0&mkcid=2&itemid=254712808677&targetid=1492398646939&device=m&mktype=&googleloc=1014221&poi=&campaignid=15434361728&mkgroupid=138918423308&rlsatarget=pla-1492398646939&abcId=9300764&merchantid=6296724&gbraid=0AAAAAD_QDh-EuYVt4afDHd2-XRqZa_sOk&gclid=CjwKCAjwo8-SBhAlEiwAopc9WzcY-2PK5lqpiiOqYdjKuqcJVfjfRb9pJ-vjbcFZ5GI837zxs4CbvhoCP4EQAvD_BwE
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Markus kept Marquette relevant, in the headlines. AA, national POY candidate. If I was a pt guard, I’d love playing with Markus Howard. An easy 10-15 assists per.
Nobody was getting 10-15 assists playing with Markus. To get assists you have to handle the ball. No way Wojo was taking the ball out of Markus’s hands and no way Markus would have stood for it if he tried. The only way Markus was making a real splash in the NBA was as a PG, so if he was going to move up the ladder in the draft he had to prove he could handle the PG position. Unfortunately all he proved was that he was a world class shooting 2G trapped in a 5’10” body.
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Nobody was getting 10-15 assists playing with Markus. To get assists you have to handle the ball. No way Wojo was taking the ball out of Markus’s hands and no way Markus would have stood for it if he tried. The only way Markus was making a real splash in the NBA was as a PG, so if he was going to move up the ladder in the draft he had to prove he could handle the PG position. Unfortunately all he proved was that he was a world class shooting 2G trapped in a 5’10” body.
work with me. Gimmie some leeway.
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Is a grown adult purchasing a '78-'80 Sam Worthen jersey on bar with calling him 'my guy"? I don't want you crossing over any clown line and having emoji's thrown your way. Now, I have no idea if it is crossing the clown emoji line, more curious if you think it is crossing the line or not.
Goose
I was fortunate enough to wear a lot of jerseys of my own as a younger man. I feel zero compunction to wear someone else’s. Not a big fan of the whole “jock sniffer” culture.
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Lenny
I was happy that Sultan noted his Walker #84 jersey because I found that to be a more interesting fact than the thread he started on a interesting fact. I have to say, your post sure sounds like a guy that never had an HR department to report to:)
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I own 2 Panthers jerseys - a Greg Olsen one that my wife bought me for my birthday 4 years ago, and a Keyshawn Johnson one that I bought for myself off a clearance rack about 10 years ago.
The Olsen one is the much nicer jersey, but I don't really like wearing jerseys of active players (which he was at the time). The Keyshawn one is a fun conversation-starter. He played his final season with the Panthers (and actually was pretty good - 70 catches) before he retired.
I also have a Larry Csonka Dolphins jersey and a 1990 game-worn Minnesota North Stars jersey (#36 - Link Gaetz, aka "The Missing Link"). That's it. That's my entire jersey collection.
I'd wear an MU Worthen jersey with pride.
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Goose
I was fortunate enough to wear a lot of jerseys of my own as a younger man. I feel zero compunction to wear someone else’s. Not a big fan of the whole “jock sniffer” culture.
Lenny, you're on a message board for Marquette basketball. It doesn't get much more "jock sniffer" than that.
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Lenny, you're on a message board for Marquette basketball. It doesn't get much more "jock sniffer" than that.
Yep. The lack of self awareness is mind numbing. “One big circle jerk scoop is” Yoda
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I own 2 Panthers jerseys - a Greg Olsen one that my wife bought me for my birthday 4 years ago, and a Keyshawn Johnson one that I bought for myself off a clearance rack about 10 years ago.
The Olsen one is the much nicer jersey, but I don't really like wearing jerseys of active players (which he was at the time). The Keyshawn one is a fun conversation-starter. He played his final season with the Panthers (and actually was pretty good - 70 catches) before he retired.
I also have a Larry Csonka Dolphins jersey and a 1990 game-worn Minnesota North Stars jersey (#36 - Link Gaetz, aka "The Missing Link"). That's it. That's my entire jersey collection.
I'd wear an MU Worthen jersey with pride.
A Larry Csonka #39 jersey!? Wow...one of my favorite teams and players growing up. Nice.
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A Larry Csonka #39 jersey!? Wow...one of my favorite teams and players growing up. Nice.
Well, it's an official replica!
I was a huge Dolphins fan when they were a dynasty because I was a kid drawn to winners, and Zonk was my favorite.
I'll wear the jersey out on the NFL's opening day or on Super Sunday, and it always gets a positive reaction.
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Pics, hey?
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Pics, hey?
You'd like that wouldn't you?
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Lenny, you're on a message board for Marquette basketball. It doesn't get much more "jock sniffer" than that.
Some are fans. Some are fanboys. There’s a difference.
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Some are fans. Some are fanboys. There’s a difference.
Fangeezer...
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Lenny
I was happy that Sultan noted his Walker #84 jersey because I found that to be a more interesting fact than the thread he started on a interesting fact. I have to say, your post sure sounds like a guy that never had an HR department to report to for keefe to tattle to:)
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It's odd to me that Goose is getting a hard time for professing his admiration of Sam for his time at MU. Sam was a very cerebral player. Rarely made a bone-headed play or took a wild shot. Great help defense despite his physical limitations. He played the game the right way. He was never an alpha type and a great complement to Markus. It's too bad Joey chose MU. I don't fault Sam for sticking with family. The pressure on him to transfer along with Joey must have been tremendous.
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It's odd to me that Goose is getting a hard time for professing his admiration of Sam for his time at MU. Sam was a very cerebral player. Rarely made a bone-headed play or took a wild shot. Great help defense despite his physical limitations. He played the game the right way. He was never an alpha type and a great complement to Markus. It's too bad Joey chose MU. I don't fault Sam for sticking with family. The pressure on him to transfer along with Joey must have been tremendous.
It’s odd to you that someone finds it weird that a fan likes a guy who transferred out?
And how did he stick with family? Was he not allowed to play here if Joey left?
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It’s odd to you that someone finds it weird that a fan likes a guy who transferred out?
And how did he stick with family? Was he not allowed to play here if Joey left?
Pressure from family to leave backing little bro
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Pressure from family to leave backing little bro
That's quite the dysfunctional family. "Son, you are having a great career, but since little bro is fragile, you need to pack up and leave" It's not like Wojo punched Joey.
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That's quite the dysfunctional family. "Son, you are having a great career, but since little bro is fragile, you need to pack up and leave" It's not like Wojo punched Joey.
Supposedly locker room incident with Markus when Markus called him out, at least that was the rumor.
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Yes, there were rumors of locker room fisticuffs post Murray State.
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Spaniel
It is not odd that the usual suspects take the time to challenge my liking of Sam as an MU player. Now, if I had said Theo or Cain were one of my all-time post Al players, that would have created a mess. It is OK to like some players that transfer out, but not all. I can already hear their argument on those transfers being different, but a transfer is a transfer.
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People really need to get over players that transfer from Marquette*, particularly with the new transfer rules. It is going to happen--a lot. It isn't some personal insult to the university or to you, the fans. The animosity towards them is childish. Even if you weren't enamored of their play on the court, wish them well and move on; or, if you were enamored with their play on the court, wish them well and move on.
* unless, dog forbid, one would transfer to the Bagders
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Supposedly locker room incident with Markus when Markus called him out, at least that was the rumor.
Yeah, I heard that Markus called Joey out, after Markus previously went to Sam to have Sam talk to Joey about some inadequacies in effort. Sam gave Markus the greenlight to talk to Joey. Joey didn't like the conversation, to say the least.
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Yeah, I heard that Markus called Joey out, after Markus previously went to Sam to have Sam talk to Joey about some inadequacies in effort. Sam gave Markus the greenlight to talk to Joey. Joey didn't like the conversation, to say the least.
He probably told Joey to quit falling down. Even the great Tom Izzo couldn’t fix it
https://twitter.com/bobbystompy/status/1496299865105653767?s=21&t=05IcqDfr9f4l4QLFFL-07A
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It's odd to me that Goose is getting a hard time for professing his admiration of Sam for his time at MU. Sam was a very cerebral player. Rarely made a bone-headed play or took a wild shot. Great help defense despite his physical limitations. He played the game the right way. He was never an alpha type and a great complement to Markus. It's too bad Joey chose MU. I don't fault Sam for sticking with family. The pressure on him to transfer along with Joey must have been tremendous.
Talk to Pico. He seems to have a big time grudge against White guys from Wisconsin in particular the Hausers. A pox on any body that transfers because according to Pico they are traitors. One wonders why we should entertain any transfers to MU with Pico attitude. Oh yeah....because that is different.
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It's not like Wojo punched Joey.
He shoulda! Al punched guys in the face, and the Warriors became national champs!
People really need to get over players that transfer from Marquette, particularly with the new transfer rules. It is going to happen--a lot.
Agreed. I have absolutely no problem with guys transferring; as you said, that's the landscape, and I actually have been in favor of looser transfer rules.
I do have a problem with those who ruin a promising season before leaving town, and whose selfishness and/or immaturity played a role in the program suffering long-term damage.
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Yes, there were rumors of locker room fisticuffs post Murray State.
All the more reason to show Wojo-Dukiet did not handle Hausergate properly. He had all his chips on Markus.
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Talk to Pico. He seems to have a big time grudge against White guys from Wisconsin in particular the Hausers. A pox on any body that transfers because according to Pico they are traitors. One wonders why we should entertain any transfers to MU with Pico attitude. Oh yeah....because that is different.
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Spaniel
It is not odd that the usual suspects take the time to challenge my liking of Sam as an MU player. Now, if I had said Theo or Cain were one of my all-time post Al players, that would have created a mess. It is OK to like some players that transfer out, but not all. I can already hear their argument on those transfers being different, but a transfer is a transfer.
For the record, I liked both Sam and Theo. Both gave it their all during their time at MU. I agree that we need to get used to seeing exponentially more transfers going forward. Just like I never begrudged a valued employee who left for perceived greener pastures, I take the same perspective for MU players.
But there's always exceptions to every rule, so as to Joey...
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All the more reason to show Wojo-Dukiet did not handle Hausergate properly. He had all his chips on Markus.
As he should have. The Hausers are born losers and program destroyers.
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Still got him chit canned, aina?
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Talk to Pico. He seems to have a big time grudge against White guys from Wisconsin in particular the Hausers. A pox on any body that transfers because according to Pico they are traitors. One wonders why we should entertain any transfers to MU with Pico attitude. Oh yeah....because that is different.
Nobody wants hillbillies on campus that are scared of street lights and buildings taller than a barn silo
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Spaniel
I agree. There have been guys leave that I was disappointed in their decision but hoped all of them did well in their life. I was not a Theo guy, by any stretch, and I was very happy how this season turned out for him. That was a hell of an experience for him.
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Sam had a way with words unlike any other (besides baby bro) had at MU.
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He probably told Joey to quit falling down. Even the great Tom Izzo couldn’t fix it
https://twitter.com/bobbystompy/status/1496299865105653767?s=21&t=05IcqDfr9f4l4QLFFL-07A
Must have been using a pair of Greg's feet.
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Talk to Pico. He seems to have a big time grudge against White guys from Wisconsin in particular the Hausers. A pox on any body that transfers because according to Pico they are traitors. One wonders why we should entertain any transfers to MU with Pico attitude. Oh yeah....because that is different.
White guys from Wisconsin suck and are extremely soft, we don't want them as fans or basketball players.
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Sigh.
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He shoulda! Al punched guys in the face, and the Warriors became national champs!
Agreed. I have absolutely no problem with guys transferring; as you said, that's the landscape, and I actually have been in favor of looser transfer rules.
I do have a problem with those who ruin a promising season before leaving town, and whose selfishness and/or immaturity played a role in the program suffering long-term damage.
I think you fail to acknowledge Markus Howard's selfishness as a catalyst for the Hauser's transfer. It was widely known the Hauser's would have returned if Markus was gone. No skilled player would want to play alongside Markus Howard while being coached by a clueless coach who encouraged Markus to go hero ball mode.
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Bottom line: neva take gamblin' advice from Woj, hey?
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I think you fail to acknowledge Markus Howard's selfishness as a catalyst for the Hauser's transfer. It was widely known the Hauser's would have returned if Markus was gone. No skilled player would want to play alongside Markus Howard while being coached by a clueless coach who encouraged Markus to go hero ball mode.
Why you hate a guy who only did good for our alma mater says a lot more about you than it does about Markus.
Neither of your heroes won jack sh1t after they left Evil Markus, and VSS went from a valuable player alongside Markus to an afterthought under a Hall of Fame coach.
I guess Izzo is clueless, too.
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It’s odd to you that someone finds it weird that a fan likes a guy who transferred out?
If that someone finds it weird that a fan likes any player who transfers out - that’s an easily defensible position. Hating some for transferring while holding love feasts for others who do likewise - that’s a little odd.
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I'm not sure, but wasnt Diener from the Fox River valley and b/4 most of you were born Jerry Hopfensberger and Terry Rand also and led us to our first NCAA in 1954.
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If that someone finds it weird that a fan likes any player who transfers out - that’s an easily defensible position. Hating some for transferring while holding love feasts for others who do likewise - that’s a little odd.
Agreed. Not sure why you said that in response to me, but sure.
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If that someone finds it weird that a fan likes any player who transfers out - that’s an easily defensible position. Hating some for transferring while holding love feasts for others who do likewise - that’s a little odd.
Bacchanalia time.
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Why you hate a guy who only did good for our alma mater says a lot more about you than it does about Markus.
Neither of your heroes won jack sh1t after they left Evil Markus, and VSS went from a valuable player alongside Markus to an afterthought under a Hall of Fame coach.
I guess Izzo is clueless, too.
Why do you think I "hate" Markus? I don't. Yet to absolve him of any responsibility in the rift that occurred between him and Joey/Sam is illogical.
I can envision the scenario where Markus was ripping into Joey about effort, and Joey responded in kind with: I didn't come here to play defense only, and watch you take 37% of the shots. You want more effort, stop being a ball hog.
Virtually every player at the high major level was a prolific scorer in high school. Virtually anyone who plays basketball finds shooting the ball/scoring fun. Most players don't find playing defense "fun."
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Elon
I said on here after the Buffalo game that there was a very serious potential problem between Joey and Howard and it was laughed off. The rift started early and was not contained by the HC. Joey was angry late in the Buffalo game and did not want to pass Howard the ball and it was very obvious. IMO, blame goes to the HC for not getting things under control. I know many on here loved the 2nd half by Howard in that game, but that was the beginning of when I felt that season was fools gold.
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Freshmen don't get to pull attitude on a first team AA.
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Elon
I said on here after the Buffalo game that there was a very serious potential problem between Joey and Howard and it was laughed off. The rift started early and was not contained by the HC. Joey was angry late in the Buffalo game and did not want to pass Howard the ball and it was very obvious. IMO, blame goes to the HC for not getting things under control. I know many on here loved the 2nd half by Howard in that game, but that was the beginning of when I felt that season was fools gold.
Yea I'm calling BS on this one, and it's pretty easy to confirm.
Tonight is why Goose only goes to good games with great crowds. Great win, fun time and what college ball is all about.
Job well done by the fella’s.
Like it or not, but a big time performance by Howard. The kid can flat out score and hats off to him.
Very strong performance last night. They beat a good team and made it look easy in second half. Aside from Howard’s performance, I really like the toughness again tonight. Was a fun game to be at and looking forward to BE season to start.
There is definitely excitement building around the team and it showed with the crowd last night. This is a team that likely has no true favorite player to the fans, which is a good thing. It shows that it is not about one or two players, but rather, a team. Winning is the best sales tool for a program. Again, hat’s off to the program for creating some juice in the arena, and on the streets after the game. This is what game day is supposed to look like.
Very happy to say the boys are far exceeding my preseason expectations. IMO, the effort is what impresses me the most. Hope the trend continues because winning sure is fun.
Spot on Lenny. Last night was a great step forward.
Everyone was excited about the program late December 2018. Fast forward a few months, not so much, but this "I had the all-seeing ball, and it told me a collapse was coming" proclamations in 2022 are complete garbage. Just for fun, the next post of yours about Joey post the UBuff game was this.
MU82
I am with you in regards to Joey as a player. He really is gifted and I would be surprised if he played more than two years at MU. I have paying special attention to Joey the last handful games and he really is the real deal. Plus, he definitely knows the game at a very high level. He is quickly moving into my all time favorite group of MU players.
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Why do you think I "hate" Markus? I don't. Yet to absolve him of any responsibility in the rift that occurred between him and Joey/Sam is illogical.
I can envision the scenario where Markus was ripping into Joey about effort, and Joey responded in kind with: I didn't come here to play defense only, and watch you take 37% of the shots. You want more effort, stop being a ball hog.
Virtually every player at the high major level was a prolific scorer in high school. Virtually anyone who plays basketball finds shooting the ball/scoring fun. Most players don't find playing defense "fun."
Did he never watch Marquette before he arrived at Marquette? The program his brother was playing for? Did he not know what year Markus was when he committed to Marquette?
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DJO
Did you find my post on stating that Joey was unhappy with Howard in the Buffalo game?
As for my posts in 2018, it was a fun game a fun atmosphere and enjoyed it a lot.
Funny on the Joey post, I was responding and agreeing with 82, the biggest anti Joey guy on scoop. So, I guess that shows opinions can change over time.
You are correct that I did not think fools gold at that moment, probably that game stood out in my mind later when I believed you could not over the long haul with one guy taking all of the shots. I do remember vividly saying to me wife after the Buffalo game that Howard had a historic night and I did not like seeing one guy shoot every shot for ten minutes of a game.
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I really think the way Joey (and others) were recruited allowed for something like this to happen. For a coach like Wojo with really no history of personal coaching accolades to continue to sign big time players, he needs to make big time promises. Those big time promises can lead to big time egos which caused big time problems that season.
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DJO
Did you find my post on stating that Joey was unhappy with Howard in the Buffalo game?
As for my posts in 2018, it was a fun game a fun atmosphere and enjoyed it a lot.
Funny on the Joey post, I was responding and agreeing with 82, the biggest anti Joey guy on scoop. So, I guess that shows opinions can change over time.
You are correct that I did not think fools gold at that moment, probably that game stood out in my mind later when I believed you could not over the long haul with one guy taking all of the shots. I do remember vividly saying to me wife after the Buffalo game that Howard had a historic night and I did not like seeing one guy shoot every shot for ten minutes of a game.
And all of that is fine. I'm just going to point out the difference between saying something to your wife and saying something on here and being "laughed off". There's nothing "wrong" with admitting that you were wrong about Wojo and the program in December 2018. I was, you were, most people here were (including 82 and his continued obsession with Joey). The fact that you are lying about it is a bit disingenuous.
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Elon
I said on here after the Buffalo game that there was a very serious potential problem between Joey and Howard and it was laughed off. The rift started early and was not contained by the HC. Joey was angry late in the Buffalo game and did not want to pass Howard the ball and it was very obvious. IMO, blame goes to the HC for not getting things under control. I know many on here loved the 2nd half by Howard in that game, but that was the beginning of when I felt that season was fools gold.
Kinda sounds like the problem was Joey who really hasn’t done anything in his college career to justify his thoughts regarding Markus.
Markus OTOH is the programs leading scorer and was a first team AA.
If there are sides to be taken here, it’s pretty obvious which one makes sense.
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DJO
What was I lying about? I think I went into that season with low hopes/expectations, celebrated the three game winning streak and got more optimistic and likely soured on the team as Howard continued to shoot it 20+ times a game. I did a quick check and roughly three weeks after the Buffalo game I began questioning the system and its chances for long term success. I did note that Sam looked frustrated, not Joey.
This is 100% factual, I remember backpedaling on the Hauser/Howard thing because a number on here laughed or told me I was flat out wrong, and honestly, the team was doing well and I did not want to be the only dark cloud. Now, if memory serves me, I became the biggest dark cloud as the season progressed.
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Fluff
I believe that in December, 2018 the majority of MU fans were very happy Joey was playing at MU and felt he had a high ceiling. Things could have been handled better by everyone much earlier that season.
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I did a quick check and roughly three weeks after the Buffalo game
I said on here after the Buffalo game that there was a very serious potential problem between Joey and Howard
Please tell me you see the difference between these two posts. "After the Buffalo game" implies immediately after the game, not three weeks later. It's after the Buffalo game now, and I can say with 100% certainty that Wojo couldn't cut it. Wording it the way you did was intentionally disingenuous, or lying.
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DJO
Or maybe it was mistake. Truthfully, I thought I said within days of the Buffalo game and in looking back it was in mid January. I can assure you of one thing, I have zero interest in lying on MU Scoop, or anywhere for that matter. Seriously, I am all for pointing out a mistake, but calling me a liar or disingenuous over a mistake I think is crazy ass stuff.
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Finally found the post that I think you're referencing.
Guys
I do not think the Hauser's have any negative feelings towards Howard. My feeling is simple, all guys want the ball. From time to time, the Hauser's get shutdown on the offensive side of the ball, by a teammate, and getting frustrated would be normal, IMO. By not means do I think there is bad chemistry.
I said on here after the Buffalo game that there was a very serious potential problem between Joey and Howard and it was laughed off.
I don't know how to describe this other than disingenuous. Feel free to disagree, but the posts are there. I really have no intention or desire to keep digging I just think you were stretching things to the absolute extreme so that you can fit an opinion from late 2018/early 2019 to fit what actually happened so you can have some "I told you so" moment to everyone that "laughed you off". In my eyes, that's lying.
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DJO
Do you read my posts? Do you really think I care about having a "told you so" moment on scoop? I think my batting average on being right vs. wrong is OK, but plenty of missteps over the years. I do apologize for mentioning the Hauser/Howard saga because I stopped caring about that quite some time ago. I will not say when I stopped caring because I do not want to be called a liar if I am off by a month or two, but I have stopped caring about that season.
Now, I do hope I am proven correct with my support of Shaka. I will not quote the exact date I started supporting him, but I think I was an early occupant on the Shaka train. No, I want to retract being an early occupant because maybe I was not as early as I remember and do not want to be disingenuous.
Speaking of disingenuous, the Jan. 16th post was in a reply to my post on Sam being frustrated at the Buffalo game. As I noted in previous post, I backpedaled because I was in the minority in my opinion of Sam/Joey at the Buffalo game and that is what I was responding to in the 1/16 post. Sharing my earlier post might have put things into context.
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Did he never watch Marquette before he arrived at Marquette? The program his brother was playing for? Did he not know what year Markus was when he committed to Marquette?
This is all reasonable. Yet, I'd imagine knowing it going in, and then experiencing repeatedly not being passed the ball for a better shot, while watching Markus launch at will still was incredibly frustrating.
From my recollection you've never been a fan of hero ball. Marquette under Markus was ultimately hero ball on steroids.
Some here want to devalue the Hausers and are angry because their leaving derailed a pre-season Top 5 projection in 2020 by some college basketball experts. After they left, under Markus's 1st Team All-American play, the team finished 8-10 in the Big East and lost 6 of its last 7. So, one can say the Hausers never won big after leaving MU, but neither did Markus at MU. Clearly they had a lot of value to MU/the team so its foolish for some to chide their abilities.
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DJO
Do you read my posts? Do you really think I care about have a "told you so" moment on scoop? I think my batting average on being right vs. wrong is OK, but plenty of missteps over the years. I do apologize for mentioning the Hauser/Howard saga because I stopped caring about that quite some time ago. I will not say when I stopped caring because I do not want to be called a liar if I am off by a month or two, but I have stopped caring about that season.
Now, I do hope I am proven correct with my support of Shaka. I will not quote the exact date I started supporting him, but I think I was an early occupant on the Shaka train. No, I want to retract being an early occupant because maybe I was not as early as I remember and do not want to be disingenuous.
Speaking of disingenuous, the Jan. 16th post was in a reply to my post on Sam being frustrated at the Buffalo game. As I noted in previous post, I backpedaled because I was in the minority in my opinion of Sam/Joey at the Buffalo game and that is what I was responding to in the 1/16 post. Sharing my earlier post might have put things into context.
As I said the posts are there. You can interpret them however you will, I will interpret them how I will. I'm sorry I upset you as evidence by your overly obvious sarcastic response. I thought, and will continue to think that you were lying, because this is the internet, and everyone is always looking for an "I told you so" moment.
As for Shaka, I hope you're right and he can deliver. Due to the experiences of the last decade of MUBB I will remain hesitant until I see a coach put together a complete season. I think he is going about it the right way, building culture and targeting good fits for said culture, but at the end of the day, results are what will determine success/failure.
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DJO
Happy Easter!
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DJO
Happy Easter!
Likewise.
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DJO
That greeting was disingenuous on my part ;D
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I can envision the scenario where Markus was ripping into Joey about effort, and Joey responded in kind with: I didn't come here to play defense only, and watch you take 37% of the shots. You want more effort, stop being a ball hog.
FIFY
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Why do you think I "hate" Markus? I don't. Yet to absolve him of any responsibility in the rift that occurred between him and Joey/Sam is illogical.
I can envision the scenario where Markus was ripping into Joey about effort, and Joey responded in kind with: I didn't come here to play defense only, and watch you take 37% of the shots. You want more effort, stop being a ball hog.
Virtually every player at the high major level was a prolific scorer in high school. Virtually anyone who plays basketball finds shooting the ball/scoring fun. Most players don't find playing defense "fun."
Vanilla Soft Serve was an OK freshman on a team with 2 junior standouts: one being one of the best players in the entire nation and the other being an outstanding forward. And the team was winning.
But Joey wanted his, and he ended up killing a great season with his whining, pouting, turnovers and his allergy to defense.
But sure, everyone involved could have handled Hausershima better, starting with the head coach.
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This was a hell of a thread to read through in its entirety in one sitting
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Hait has know hom heer, hey?
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Vanilla Soft Serve was an OK freshman on a team with 2 junior standouts: one being one of the best players in the entire nation and the other being an outstanding forward. And the team was winning.
But Joey wanted his, and he ended up killing a great season with his whining, pouting, turnovers and his allergy to defense.
But sure, everyone involved could have handled Hausershima better, starting with the head coach.
Joey killed the season, not the guy with the 40% usage who’s game went south down the stretch or the coach who let it (encouraged it to) happen. You’re one funny guy, Mike.
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Joey killed the season, not the guy with the 40% usage who’s game went south down the stretch or the coach who let it (encouraged it to) happen. You’re one funny guy, Mike.
There is clearly blame to go around but Joey has run into issues at MSU as well as MU, and has clearly been disappointing for both programs.
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Joey killed the season, not the guy with the 40% usage who’s game went south down the stretch or the coach who let it (encouraged it to) happen. You’re one funny guy, Mike.
There were no issues before Joey got to MU. Halfway through the season I could tell he was an entitled pr*ck, then he f*ck it all up. Joey is an pretty boy period, has no where to go now.
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There is clearly blame to go around but Joey has run into issues at MSU as well as MU, and has clearly been disappointing for both programs.
No disagreement there - I don’t absolve Joey of any blame for our collapse. But to say that he’s THE reason or even the biggest reason that season cratered just isn’t true.
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No disagreement there - I don’t absolve Joey of any blame for our collapse. But to say that he’s THE reason or even the biggest reason that season cratered just isn’t true.
BS he was the biggest reason an entitled pr*ck period. If you don't see it, well you have issues understanding human behavior.
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BS he was the biggest reason an entitled pr*ck period. If you don't see it, well you have issues understanding human behavior.
We can’t all just look at a guy and tell he’s an entitled prick, Newsboy. That takes special talent. One that people who know the kid and have coached him evidently don’t have.
Further, I disagree that I have issues understanding human behavior. I know biased, unfair and judgmental behavior when I see it.
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Hait has know hom heer, hey?
sometimes a little hate is…good.
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Lenny
There are double standards on Scoop. It is 100% acceptable by some to complete bash the Hauser's, especially Joey, with most having zero to little knowledge of what type of character they may or may not possess. On the other hand, if you question Lewis on his body language you are bashed in similar fashion. The bias shown by those who claim to be unbiased is very predictable to me every day on scoop.
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Lenny
There are double standards on Scoop. It is 100% acceptable by some to complete bash the Hauser's, especially Joey, with most having zero to little knowledge of what type of character they may or may not possess. On the other hand, if you question Lewis on his body language you are bashed in similar fashion. The bias shown by those who claim to be unbiased is very predictable to me every day on scoop.
That's rich coming from the guy who claims he made an important observation about team chemistry after the Buffalo game but actually never did.
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Fluff,
I actually did say Sam looked frustrated, see below. As for bashing someone's character vs. making a comment on a player being frustrated or possible team chemistry issues, I think there is a difference. As for my quote below, I do not think that was hard hitting attack on my part, simply an observation.
Hangin' at the Al / Re: Not surprised
« on: January 16, 2019, 08:46:41 AM »
IMO, the Hauser boys were licking their chops when Howard went down. There have been several times over the past month that I have felt Sam is frustrated with Howard and high shot output. Late in the Buffalo game it looked like when Sam got the ball he was going to pass it to anyone but Howard. No doubt in mind that Hauser boys are legit college big time college players.
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Ah...so I guess "after the Buffalo game" is pretty broad then. ::)
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Fluff
I stated yesterday that my timing was off on when it was posted. Again, unlike many on here, I admit being wrong in stating it was after the Buffalo game. It was three plus years ago and apologize for being off on my timing. That said, it obviously was something I noticed, or I would not have brought it up three weeks later.
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Hait has know hom heer, hey?
Says the "crean sucks" guy.
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Nm
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Lenny
There are double standards on Scoop. It is 100% acceptable by some to complete bash the Hauser's, especially Joey, with most having zero to little knowledge of what type of character they may or may not possess. On the other hand, if you question Lewis on his body language you are bashed in similar fashion. The bias shown by those who claim to be unbiased is very predictable to me every day on scoop.
100% of my Hauser bashing is teal
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82
Joey was an OK freshman? I think you may have had different thoughts when he actually was a freshman. If memory serves me, you thought he might end up in the NBA before he graduated from MU.
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The Hausers left for programs who played team ball in programs where you have to share the rock. They were very clear on that. Wojo played a more pro style offense.
At their next programs, they took a heck of a lot less shots in those systems than with Markus their last MU season together. For Joey, he is playing about half the MSU minutes versus 3/4th at MU. For Sam, it was COVID and the slow tempo but he was just as efficient as he was at MU, no better.
At MU, they weren't expected to play defense but they were at their new schools. The fact is, Wojo still
got them more shots with Markus than in their new team systems. Sam was just as good at UVA as MU. Joey is a capable role player at MSU in a system not matched for his skill set.
What remains is that the coach couldn't contain the stress fracture. And legacies were not fully realized.
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Late in the Buffalo game it looked like when Sam got the ball he was going to pass it to anyone but Howard.
Who was he going to pass it to? Anim? Sacar was 1-10 in that game, Joey? Still a Freshman who couldn't really create his own shot yet? Or the guy who was on fire and was 9-13 on threes?
If Sam was pissed after the Buffalo game, that says more about Sam than anyone.
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Who was he going to pass it to? Anim? Sacar was 1-10 in that game, Joey? Still a Freshman who couldn't really create his own shot yet? Or the guy who was on fire and was 9-13 on threes?
If Sam was pissed after the Buffalo game, that says more about Sam than anyone.
Sam is a proven program killer. He’s killed two programs
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Says the "crean sucks" guy.
I don't pretend to love everything. That's the difference, aina?
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82
Joey was an OK freshman? I think you may have had different thoughts when he actually was a freshman. If memory serves me, you thought he might end up in the NBA before he graduated from MU.
Like most Scoopers, I was impressed with Joey the first half of the season. Then he went on a milk carton.
Actually that's not true. It was worse than being on milk carton. It would have been better off if he simply had gone missing; his terribly play helped our opponents and, ultimately, was a major part of the collapse. Over the final 13 games, Joey shot .356 overall, .308 from 3, and .700 on FTs, all well down from where he had been. He also killed the team with his turnovers and turnstile defense. He averaged as many FGA down the stretch, too, so it's not like The Evil Markus suddenly was depriving him. And that's only what we knew at the time; we didn't know that he was working behind the scenes to hurt team chemistry.
I did discuss his on-court struggles at the time, but I don't like to bash active Marquette players -- or even former Marquette players who didn't try to undermine the program.
Overall, as a freshman, Joey averaged 9.7 ppg and 5.3 rpg. He shot .447. He averaged 2.4 assists and 2.1 turnovers.
I'd call that an "OK freshman season." What would you call it?
He has continued to regress, even after escaping The Worst Coach Ever. It seems playing for a Hall of Fame coach wasn't the answer, either.
If only Izzo had known that Joey already had peaked in late January 2019.
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82
My point was simple, it is ok to have a change of opinion. I don’t think you misled when you were optimistic and things changed. To this day I have no idea what really happened and do not care all that much. Things turned ugly and a promising season blew up.
That said, I do not hold a grudge against of the people involved. I was not the biggest Markus fan, yet, I hope he breaks the bank in the NBA.
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82
My point was simple, it is ok to have a change of opinion. I don’t think you misled when you were optimistic and things changed. To this day I have no idea what really happened and do not care all that much. Things turned ugly and a promising season blew up.
That said, I do not hold a grudge against of the people involved. I was not the biggest Markus fan, yet, I hope he breaks the bank in the NBA.
OK Goose.