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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: withoutbias on March 17, 2022, 04:26:38 PM
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Turnovers, no defense, collapse down the stretch, boat raced in the first round. $8M burned. The difference being Wojo at least brought in high end talent, so maybe the talent just takes over and wins a game when you roll the ball out every once in a while.
At least we’re good at trash talking while down 20. More worried about reffing. Reffing doesn’t matter when you’re going to lose by 40.
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Shakahowski. Love it.
What an embarrassment.
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What's MU's record for worst NCAAT performance?
Because we gonna break it.
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I'll be interested to see the vitriol that shaka receives with this loss. Surely somewhat proportional to wojo vs Morant?
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I'll be interested to see the vitriol that shaka receives with this loss. Surely somewhat proportional to wojo vs Morant?
What's your opinion on Shaka?
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What's MU's record for worst NCAAT performance?
Because we gonna break it.
I'd guess the Final Four vs Kansas.
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Given the circumstances of the ncaa tournament, one of the worst halves of basketball I’ve ever seen.
Playing Jones and Joplin so early, together, goes down as one of the worst decisions of the season.
Killed all momentum with clueless defense.
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This is the kind of performance that you don't come back from. Total and utter embarassment
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This will be the WORST NCAAT performance by an MU team …
Ever … ( other than KU in 2003 )
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How can a team collapse like this so many years in a row? I don't get it.
I understand that at the start of the year we would have been happy with an NCAA berth. But that rationalizing does not justify the ugliness of what we have seen these past 4-6 weeks. Perhaps it just took a while for this teams weaknesses to be exploited, but there's no adjustment. Our plan was to run as much as we could and wear down UNC? Is that what this is? And our plan was to do this using terrible lineups with Kam, GE and Joplin together? Its dumbfounding. Is Shaka the guy? Its hard to say yes right now. Its just embarassing.
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Bunch of little babies in here.
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Bunch of little babies in here.
At least you’re consistent. Even down 30 at halftime you’ll come running to the defense of whatever teams you’re a fan of.
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For me, shaka has a lot to prove in the coming years.
Wojo was clearly in over his head.
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At least you’re consistent. Even down 30 at halftime you’ll come running to the defense of whatever teams you’re a fan of.
Your stupidity is consistent. Remind me where I defended the godawful 1st half performance?
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Anyone who is honest, has to question
Shaka.
I don’t care what happened during regular season… it’s a DISGRACE
And … it’s why TX wanted him gone
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I'm as disgusted as anyone with that half, but it beats finishing 13-19 like the vast majority expected.
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Anyone who is honest, has to question
Shaka.
I don’t care what happened during regular season… it’s a DISGRACE
And … it’s why TX wanted him gone
Idiotic.
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I'd guess the Final Four vs Kansas.
Marquette was definitely in YaYa land for that game.
This game, they are just sleep walking.
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It’s his first year. How do you “not come back from this”? A lot of spoon fed trust fund babies in here.
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This no-show pisses me off so much I hope they do give up 3 figures.
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This no-show pisses me off so much I hope they do give up 3 figures.
Right? If we’re gonna go out, let’s go out in a blaze of glory.
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Can we set some type of Technical record?
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Fun fact:
The favorite school of one time Marquette recruiting target Caleb Love, was Duke. Once Duke received a commitment from Jeremy Roach, he committed to UNC, in part, because that is his dad's favorite school.
The bright side:
Many people have been watching both Richmond beat Iowa, and, Georgia St. play Gonzaga close, to notice the MUBB game.
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This may seem pretty pointless to bring up, but the floor slap has got to go. When has it worked for the team this year? Not often, Shaka showed it right before NC took us to school. It reminds me of Duke and Wojo too, not good.
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Many people have been watching both Richmond beat Iowa, and, Georgia St. play Gonzaga close, to notice the MUBB game.
Signing on to this one.
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Violence…… LOL
Really?
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Shaka is proving to be who he's been the last several years at Texas. And Longhorn fans are probably chuckling to themselves after this mess.
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Shaka is proving to be who he's been the last several years at Texas. And Longhorn fans are probably chuckling to themselves after this mess.
This is my fear.
MU would have a VERY difficult time recovering from 2 coaching misses in a row
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Oh FFS....relax and let's see how this progresses.
The utter lack of perspective is mind-boggling. And saying that doesn't excuse today's performance.
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Shaka is proving to be who he's been the last several years at Texas. And Longhorn fans are probably chuckling to themselves after this mess.
How is one rebuilding year proof of that? Everyone who was decent left. I’m honestly curious how this year can be compared to a guy having his own upper class men in a program.
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This is the kind of performance that you don't come back from. Total and utter embarassment
Lol what kind of takes are these anyway? Tell me you don’t actually pay attention to college basketball without telling me you don’t pay attention to college basketball.
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How is one rebuilding year proof of that? Everyone who was decent left. I’m honestly curious how this year can be compared to a guy having his own upper class men in a program.
It isn't. Ignore the idiocy.
Some of these turds will bitch about anything.
Today's performance is deserving of a ton of criticism. The performance after the hot streak is as well. Completely fair.
The team also well-exceeded expectations this season. There is plenty to be optimistic about going forward. Let's see what the staff and the returning players, whoever they might be, have in store.
I think the program is in good hands and look forward to what's next.
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Oh FFS....relax and let's see how this progresses.
The utter lack of perspective is mind-boggling. And saying that doesn't excuse today's performance.
This right here. Still hard to fathom how the team seemingly regressed so much down the stretch…
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It isn't. Ignore the idiocy.
Some of these turds will bitch about anything.
Today's performance is deserving of a ton of criticism. The performance after the hot streak is as well. Completely fair.
The team also well-exceeded expectations this season. There is plenty to be optimistic about going forward. Let's see what the staff and the returning players, whoever they might be, have in store.
I think the program is in good hands and look forward to what's next.
Bingo.
To them b****ing about today is boring, they have to b**** about years in the future.
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It isn't. Ignore the idiocy.
Some of these turds will bitch about anything.
Today's performance is deserving of a ton of criticism. The performance after the hot streak is as well. Completely fair.
The team also well-exceeded expectations this season. There is plenty to be optimistic about going forward. Let's see what the staff and the returning players, whoever they might be, have in store.
I think the program is in good hands and look forward to what's next.
Boomers are realizing their time is ending quickly, accelerated by COVID. They are used to getting their way by shouting the loudest, and the rest of the world isn’t listening.
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Didn't get to watch with work commitments but woof, what the hell happened? No one get off the bus or what?? Man, we peaked way too early.
Shaka sure has some recruiting work to do cuz that wasn't even competitive
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I do not remember Al making it to the NCAA in his first year. Oh, that's right he finished 8-18 in 1964, second year was 14-12. It took Al 3 years to get to the NIT and 4 years to get to the NCAA. From then on you know the rest of the story.
Point is beating UNC is no small task and making it to the NCAA is an accomplishment given early season predictions. I think it is far to early to compare this coach with Wojo.
Good things will happen but will not happen in 1 year.
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Shakahowski. Love it.
What an embarrassment.
Gulp! Shaka has to wear this one, definitely a HUGE embarrassment, maybe his middle name is Steve #SSS
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I do not remember Al making it to the NCAA in his first year. Oh, that's right he finished 8-18 in 1964, second year was 14-12. It took Al 3 years to get to the NIT and 4 years to get to the NCAA. From then on you know the rest of the story.
Point is beating UNC is no small task and making it to the NCAA is an accomplishment given early season predictions. I think it is far to early to compare this coach with Wojo.
Good things will happen but will not happen in 1 year.
So, don't compare shaka to wojo. But do compare him to Al.
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Bunch of little babies in here.
quite the contrary…it’s scoopers that hate getting ass kicked. Scoopers that want MU to be a big time, winning program. We’re collectively little babies for finding a 30+ pt smoke job embarrassing? It’s a decade long ncaa tourney win drought. It’s not ok to question the garbage coaching of the past two months? Woj was weak, but Shaka hasn’t exactly instilled confidence that’s he’s better. It’s like MU is in an endless rebuild.
Groundhog Day. Out
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I do not remember Al making it to the NCAA in his first year. Oh, that's right he finished 8-18 in 1964, second year was 14-12. It took Al 3 years to get to the NIT and 4 years to get to the NCAA. From then on you know the rest of the story.
Point is beating UNC is no small task and making it to the NCAA is an accomplishment given early season predictions. I think it is far to early to compare this coach with Wojo.
Good things will happen but will not happen in 1 year.
Shaka does (or should get) a few years from MU fans to get things rolling.
But to make comparisons to Al without much HC experience, or Wojo without any HC experience is disingenuous. We hired a big name coach with lots of experience and some (fading) success to win in the near term. And he just got absolutely blown out by a 1st year coach with no HC experience.
Further, the low "early season predictions" were because Shaka couldn't get enough talent for this year.
Again, he'll get time. But the coach is reproable for recruiting, and game planning.
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quite the contrary…it’s scoopers that hate getting ass kicked. Scoopers that want MU to be a big time, winning program. We’re collectively little babies for finding a 30+ pt smoke job embarrassing? It’s a decade long ncaa tourney win drought. It’s not ok to question the garbage coaching of the past two months? Woj was weak, but Shaka hasn’t exactly instilled confidence that’s he’s better. It’s like MU is in an endless rebuild.
Groundhog Day. Out
More idiocy from you...shocking.
I hated how today went. It was an embarrassing performance. I also want Marquette to be a consistently excellent program.
But these hot-take, perspective-free takes are absolutely just as embarrassing as today's performance.
You'd think actual adults with a degree from an excellent university should be able to handle today's disappointment in a much better way considering where this program was coming from and what the expectations were going into this season. Not losing your sh*t over today's performance or the tough February doesn't equate to accepting mediocrity.
So yeah, you're a little, whiny bitch baby.
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More idiocy from you...shocking.
I hated how today went. It was an embarrassing performance. I also want Marquette to be a consistently excellent program.
But these hot-take, perspective-free takes are absolutely just as embarrassing as today's performance.
You'd think actual adults with a degree from an excellent university should be able to handle today's disappointment in a much better way considering where this program was coming from and what the expectations were going into this season. Not losing your sh*t over today's performance or the tough February doesn't equate to accepting mediocrity.
So yeah, you're a little, whiny bitch baby.
What “perspective” should people have on this game?
You’re frustrated with the loss and taking it out on other posters. That’s an immature, cowardly thing to do, but it is what it is.
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You'd think actual adults with a degree from an excellent university should be able to handle today's disappointment in a much better way considering where this program was coming from and what the expectations were going into this season.
I mean, we're "coming from" a 19pt loss as a 5 seed in the NCAA 2 tourneys ago (3 years ago). So we're supposed to be happy with were we landed this year? Eh. Glad you've got sunshine for the masses today. But probably better saved for another day.
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Hey guys, have some perspective. We could be Georgetown. As long as we're not Georgetown we should be happy and anyone who thinks differently is a complete idiot.
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What “perspective” should people have on this game?
You’re frustrated with the loss and taking it out on other posters. That’s an immature, cowardly thing to do, but it is what it is.
I mean, we're "coming from" a 19pt loss as a 5 seed in the NCAA 2 tourneys ago (3 years ago). So we're supposed to be happy with were we landed this year? Eh. Glad you've got sunshine for the masses today. But probably better saved for another day.
It's not perspective on the game. There's no excuse for that kind of performance.
It's perspective on the season as a whole.
No one is saying to be happy. But losing your sh*t and completely overreacting on Shaka and the future of the program? GTFOH. Grow up.
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It's not perspective on the game. There's no excuse for that kind of performance.
It's perspective on the season as a whole.
No one is saying to be happy. But losing your sh*t and completely overreacting on Shaka and the future of the program? GTFOH. Grow up.
These idiots see us losing by 30 in the 1st half and are all like "oh no this is terrible!" What a bunch of losers.
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This may seem pretty pointless to bring up, but the floor slap has got to go. When has it worked for the team this year? Not often, Shaka showed it right before NC took us to school. It reminds me of Duke and Wojo too, not good.
it didn't work at Texas either:
https://youtu.be/UyO0HpTAkq0
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completely overreacting on Shaka
This is where I'd like more clarity. I'm certainly a Shaka skeptic - but willing to give him a few year (3 to be specific). He hasn't won a tourney game as long as MU hasn't. And has lost "badly" the past 2 years (don't tell me last years loss wasn't bad). Sure he had a great regular season last year, but hadn't done enough the previous 5 to keep his job.
Is that an overreaction? If so, why should I have more optimism?
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These idiots see us losing by 30 in the 1st half and are all like "oh no this is terrible!" What a bunch of losers.
Comprehension helps. There's a pretty distinct difference between being disgusted with this performance and letting it dictate everything you feel about the season and the state of the program moving forward.
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Comprehension helps. There's a pretty distinct difference between being disgusted with this performance and letting it dictate everything you feel about the season and the state of the program moving forward.
So what's your prediction for next year?
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More idiocy from you...shocking.
I hated how today went. It was an embarrassing performance. I also want Marquette to be a consistently excellent program.
But these hot-take, perspective-free takes are absolutely just as embarrassing as today's performance.
You'd think actual adults with a degree from an excellent university should be able to handle today's disappointment in a much better way considering where this program was coming from and what the expectations were going into this season. Not losing your sh*t over today's performance or the tough February doesn't equate to accepting mediocrity.
So yeah, you're a little, whiny bitch baby.
more personal attacks from the keyboard. And from a fellow MU fan and alum. Surprising.
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This is where I'd like more clarity. I'm certainly a Shaka skeptic - but willing to give him a few year (3 to be specific). He hasn't won a tourney game as long as MU hasn't. And has lost "badly" the past 2 years (don't tell me last years loss wasn't bad). Sure he had a great regular season last year, but hadn't done enough the previous 5 to keep his job.
Is that an overreaction? If so, why should I have more optimism?
You pulled 4 words from a post. It's fair to have some skepticism based on his tourney record on Texas. He was also hired late in the recruiting cycle, built a team primarily out of transfers, helped develop a first-team All Big East Player and potential draft pick, and well-exceeded expectations for this season.
I'm optimistic. I could easily be very wrong. This will be an interesting offseason in regards to player development and the transfer market.
I'd much rather have an asskicking in the tourney than an NIT showing or no postseason whatsoever, that's for sure.
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Comprehension helps. There's a pretty distinct difference between being disgusted with this performance and letting it dictate everything you feel about the season and the state of the program moving forward.
its not just this game. its the past several years. late season collapses. not single win in the dance in a decade. the post season embarrasments. thats why some dont feel great going forward.
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its not just this game. its the past several years. late season collapses. not single win in the dance in a decade. the post season embarrasments. thats why some dont feel great going forward.
None of the Wojo years are relevant. I've tossed all of that garbage and have started fresh. Now if this becomes a pattern with Shaka, that's a different story.
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Shaka does (or should get) a few years from MU fans to get things rolling.
But to make comparisons to Al without much HC experience, or Wojo without any HC experience is disingenuous. We hired a big name coach with lots of experience and some (fading) success to win in the near term. And he just got absolutely blown out by a 1st year coach with no HC experience.
Further, the low "early season predictions" were because Shaka couldn't get enough talent for this year.
Again, he'll get time. But the coach is reproable for recruiting, and game planning.
Al was the head coach at Belmont Abbey for seven years (172 games) before he was hired by Marquette, how is that "without much HC
experience?"
Reading the comments here from when Shaka was hired through today has been a journey in collective schizophrenia. One day the team sucks, a few days later the team is super awesome because they won a game they weren't supposed to. Lather. Rinse. Repeat.
The icing on the cake has to be Sunday night when many Scoopers were trying the convince themselves and others MU was going to make a run because UNC doesn't play defense and Baylor is "vulnerable." Then, when said Scoopers totally unrealistic expectations aren't met, there are calls for Shaka to be fired and that the program will have a hard time recovering from the team's performance today.
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Rocky,
Just curious, why are you skeptical of Shaka?
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Rocky,
Just curious, why are you skeptical of Shaka?
Just some thoughts...
**Never won a regular season conference title
**Hasn't advanced to the Sweet 16 in 8 of the 9 times he has been to the NCAA tournament. Is 2-8 since going to the Final Four with VCU.
**This season's ending hasn't been great.
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I mean, we're "coming from" a 19pt loss as a 5 seed in the NCAA 2 tourneys ago (3 years ago). So we're supposed to be happy with were we landed this year? Eh. Glad you've got sunshine for the masses today. But probably better saved for another day.
VBMG, I think the point is to cut everyone a little slack and let them vent tonight. Tough ending to the season.
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Sort of checked-out after the loss to Murray State and "Hausershima," did I miss anything?
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I do not remember Al making it to the NCAA in his first year. Oh, that's right he finished 8-18 in 1964, second year was 14-12. It took Al 3 years to get to the NIT and 4 years to get to the NCAA. From then on you know the rest of the story.
Point is beating UNC is no small task and making it to the NCAA is an accomplishment given early season predictions. I think it is far to early to compare this coach with Wojo.
Good things will happen but will not happen in 1 year.
Excuses
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Should we talk about how this team had a habit of rolling over and dying in games down the stretch when the going got tough?
The lack of composure today was as ugly as the lack of execution.
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Should we talk about how this team had a habit of rolling over and dying in games down the stretch when the going got tough?
The lack of composure today was as ugly as the lack of execution.
Yes. Exactly. That was the most depressing part of today.
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The lack of composure today was as ugly as the lack of execution.
This, this is what bothers me, and this culture and coaching. Sometimes we will get rolled, we should never roll over.
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More from the peanut gallery ...
I think it's fair to be skeptical (for lack of better word) of Shaka. The guy hasn't won an NCAA tournament game since 2013. In the process, he has lost as a heavy favorite to Abilene Christian, as a favorite to Northern Iowa, and now as a slight underdog to UNC by 100 points. Indeed, my knee-jerk reaction to our interest in Shaka in the wake of his final Texas loss to a team of untalented midgets was, "We're gonna replace a coach who didn't win an NCAAT game in 7 years with one who hasn't won an NCAAT game in 8 years?" That this once-promising season featured the kind of late-season collapse that Wojo made famous and the kind of blowout tourney loss that Wojo also made famous ... well, I can see how it doesn't lead to great confidence going forward.
I'm one who recalculates my expectations as a season progresses, so it's not great solace that we did better than everybody (including me) thought we'd do back in October. We saw something special in January, and I expected great things going forward. Even if it was unrealistic to expect an exact repeat, I expected more than what happened over the final month-plus. So yes, that's very disappointing and disheartening.
However ...
I am trying to look at the big picture, trying to get past my emotional response to what we all just witnessed.
Shaka has little in common with Wojo. What happened this season has nothing to do with what happened in previous seasons. It's a different program, a different team.
Our program was a hot mess a year ago; 10 months later, we were one of the best stories in the entire country, all thanks to the hard work of Shaka and his players.
It was a glimpse of what can be once Shaka brings in more talent. And I have faith that he will do just that.
Beyond all that, while I really do think Marquette can be a special program again, choosing to believe we are doomed for another 8 years of mediocrity is simply not an option for me.
We Are Marquette!
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Pakuni
We sucked the last month and no argument. But I cannot compare this year to past regimes. If they fold again next season it is a cause of concern and I would be in agreement. I’m just not ready to say this year is like past year fades. All I’m saying is that I’m not holding this years team responsible for past failures.
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Pakuni
We sucked the last month and no argument. But I cannot compare this year to past regimes. If they fold again next season it is a cause of concern and I would be in agreement. I’m just not ready to say this year is like past year fades. All I’m saying is that I’m not holding this years team responsible for past failures.
OK, but I didn't say anything about past regimes or past year fades.
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Pakuni
I misread your post or misunderstood.
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its not just this game. its the past several years. late season collapses. not single win in the dance in a decade. the post season embarrasments. thats why some dont feel great going forward.
Beyond that it’s that the talent foundation isn’t strong, incoming recruits appear mediocre at the moment, and this team regressed badly rather than improving. None of those are an indication that we should be optimistic for the future. But Vander Blue Man Group prefers to call people’s names than look reality in the face.
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Most of you on here are a joke and completely detached from reality.
Before the season, we were talking about a rebuilding year given the team turnover and need to adapt to a new system for essentially all the players.
We then went out and had a great season with the youngest team in the Big East. If you want to talk about a "fade", it's a good bet it had something to do with being so young.
Yes, we got our asses kicked in the tournament but anyone here who would consider this season, with this team, a disappointment and worthy of the crap on this thread needs serious help.
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How can a team collapse like this so many years in a row? I don't get it.
I understand that at the start of the year we would have been happy with an NCAA berth. But that rationalizing does not justify the ugliness of what we have seen these past 4-6 weeks. Perhaps it just took a while for this teams weaknesses to be exploited, but there's no adjustment. Our plan was to run as much as we could and wear down UNC? Is that what this is? And our plan was to do this using terrible lineups with Kam, GE and Joplin together? Its dumbfounding. Is Shaka the guy? Its hard to say yes right now. Its just embarassing.
He had a few months to slap a roster together and made the tourney. It’s going to be ok. The future is still bright. We will all feel better heading into next season in Shaka’s second year. But yes, today was an evisceration.
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MU paid $8M to make a coach go away because he couldn’t win a Tourney game, and we hired a guy who couldn’t win a Tourney game in 6 years at a better program. And the same issues we had under the coach we paid $8M to go away (turnovers, no defense, end of season collapses, blowout Tournament losses) showed up this year.
And the only two players who are talented enough to be starters on good power conference teams (Morsell and Lewis) are probably gone next year, and so far we replace them with a few three star players.
But if we voice concern about the program we’re whiny idiots.
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Please explain how much better they will be next year? Might they be a consensus 8th place pick for the BEast?
Most of you on here are a joke and completely detached from reality.
Before the season, we were talking about a rebuilding year given the team turnover and need to adapt to a new system for essentially all the players.
We then went out and had a great season with the youngest team in the Big East. If you want to talk about a "fade", it's a good bet it had something to do with being so young.
Yes, we got our asses kicked in the tournament but anyone here who would consider this season, with this team, a disappointment and worthy of the crap on this thread needs serious help.
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MU paid $8M to make a coach go away because he couldn’t win a Tourney game, and we hired a guy who couldn’t win a Tourney game in 6 years at a better program. And the same issues we had under the coach we paid $8M to go away (turnovers, no defense, end of season collapses, blowout Tournament losses) showed up this year.
And the only two players who are talented enough to be starters on good power conference teams (Morsell and Lewis) are probably gone next year, and so far we replace them with a few three star players.
But if we voice concern about the program we’re whiny idiots.
100% this.
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The 8 million dollar argument people continually mention is so stupid.
It’s not your money, and it wasn’t even taken from Marquette’s pocketbooks
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He had a few months to slap a roster together and made the tourney. It’s going to be ok. The future is still bright. We will all feel better heading into next season in Shaka’s second year. But yes, today was an evisceration.
Slapping a roster together might be Shaka’s biggest downfall. The 5 freshman really did not work. Itejere time will tell, Ellis showed nothing, Joplin has some O but no D, Kam good shooter but not quick, and Mitchell showed some improvement but not sure where he fits with Jones and Kolek. It will be very interesting to see Shaka put together a new roster next year. Some have to go.
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This right here. Still hard to fathom how the team seemingly regressed so much down the stretch…
Maybe all those years under Wojo and the first year under Shaka the coaches were getting the most out of their teams originally. and then the talent level wasn’t good enough to continue development over the remainder of the season.
We need more talent.
Just a thought.
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Just curious, why are you skeptical of Shaka?
Let me clarify, seems like a good guy, his players seem to like him, doesn't seem like he'll get MU in trouble. That part is fine.
I'm skeptical about his potential for the results Marquette fans want. It's been mentioned several times already, but since his First-Four to Final-Four run, he's won two NCAA games in 11 years. He's now won zero in 9 years. 6 of those years he was at a program that has more resources, support, and cachet than Marquette.
I hope he's the right guy, and picks it up the next couple years. I'm with you there, however given past results, I'm not optimistic that it will happen.
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Should we talk about how this team had a habit of rolling over and dying in games down the stretch when the going got tough?
The lack of composure today was as ugly as the lack of execution.
This is the most confounding part of the season from my point of view. Early in the year, there were some key victories in games where they fell behind but they maintained their poise, made adjustments and won. At one point, games where they fell behind were a comfortable watch. It felt like the comeback run was just a matter of time.
Something clearly changed with the team in February around the @UConn and @Butler games. Down the stretch they really struggled to play from behind. The team defense fell apart. Guys lost their composure. Yesterday's boat racing was the culmination.
The talent issue is enigmatic. There was an obvious talent gap that we saw at the end of the year. But how was it that they performed the way they did when they won 7 conference games in a row, ran the gauntlet and were ranked in the top 20? Did the talent evaporate in February? Were guys playing hurt and not telling anyone? Was Shaka unable to make counter adjustments when teams started playing them differently? Did the players commitment to the system and style of play that brought them success early in the season change?
If it's the last item, that's a major issue. I hammered Wojo for losing his teams, and the same would be an enormous red flag on Shaka moving forward. To me that's about as damning an accusation for a head coach that there is, especially with this being his first season and how we were told the big focus of this season was building culture. I'm not ready to go there yet, not without evidence. But something clearly happened.
I still think the future is bright, but the expectations will be higher. I'm very interested to see how Shaka approaches his first full offseason/recruiting cycle and how he builds a roster over the long term.
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How is one rebuilding year proof of that? Everyone who was decent left. I’m honestly curious how this year can be compared to a guy having his own upper class men in a program.
Uh oh. Here comes the old Wojo-Dukiet mantra. Need time to develop his own players, say 3 plus years, which then becomes 7 years.
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Most of you on here are a joke and completely detached from reality.
Before the season, we were talking about a rebuilding year given the team turnover and need to adapt to a new system for essentially all the players.
We then went out and had a great season with the youngest team in the Big East. If you want to talk about a "fade", it's a good bet it had something to do with being so young.
Yes, we got our asses kicked in the tournament but anyone here who would consider this season, with this team, a disappointment and worthy of the crap on this thread needs serious help.
Wrong. What many here likely expected was for the team to improve as the season went on. That did not happen, culminated by the final 2 games. Shaka did not have the team progressing. Time to clear the decks and get better talent.
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So, William...
If MU started 7-14… won 8 of their last 10, you'd be happier because they showed improvement?
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So, William...
If MU started 7-14… won 8 of their last 10, you'd be happier because they showed improvement?
from improvement would spring optimism. The traditional fade culminating in an epic whoop ass springs frustration, dismay, pessimism etc. Rebuilding from a rebuild, again.
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So, William...
If MU started 7-14… won 8 of their last 10, you'd be happier because they showed improvement?
While this would be deemed a less successful season, it might mean a more successful future. A lot depends on how those last 8 out of 10 wins transpired. Did the team play well, were they against good opponents, did young players contribute and improve? Not sure how anyone can feel good about the future given how the season ended.
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This is the most confounding part of the season from my point of view. Early in the year, there were some key victories in games where they fell behind but they maintained their poise, made adjustments and won. At one point, games where they fell behind were a comfortable watch. It felt like the comeback run was just a matter of time.
Something clearly changed with the team in February around the @UConn and @Butler games. Down the stretch they really struggled to play from behind. The team defense fell apart. Guys lost their composure. Yesterday's boat racing was the culmination.
The talent issue is enigmatic. There was an obvious talent gap that we saw at the end of the year. But how was it that they performed the way they did when they won 7 conference games in a row, ran the gauntlet and were ranked in the top 20? Did the talent evaporate in February? Were guys playing hurt and not telling anyone? Was Shaka unable to make counter adjustments when teams started playing them differently? Did the players commitment to the system and style of play that brought them success early in the season change?
If it's the last item, that's a major issue. I hammered Wojo for losing his teams, and the same would be an enormous red flag on Shaka moving forward. To me that's about as damning an accusation for a head coach that there is, especially with this being his first season and how we were told the big focus of this season was building culture. I'm not ready to go there yet, not without evidence. But something clearly happened.
I still think the future is bright, but the expectations will be higher. I'm very interested to see how Shaka approaches his first full offseason/recruiting cycle and how he builds a roster over the long term.
This is an excellent post
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The game yesterday was embarrassing but this roster was very flawed and once teams figured us out, we were not able to adjust.
This team needed a legitimate point guard and big man.
Kolek was the answer for a little bit but as teams stopped helping out on Kolek's drives and forced him to shoot, it severely limited our offensive efficiency.
Morsell was not the answer as a facilitating point guard.
Kam was not the answer.
Stevie probably should have received more minutes.
At the 5, Kur was only good for blocks and Oso was over matched for much of the year. You can get away with 5s with limited offensive games if they are great defenders and elite rebounders. Both severely lack in those areas.
We were stuck with the roster we had and it was good enough to make the NCAA. That is a positive.
Shaka is responsible and deserves blame, but he doesn't deserve to be written off. Those that do are frankly idiots. I saw a lot of good things from him and this group. It's been years since I had an excitement regarding MU basketball. I expect a lot more good times than bad over the next few years but if it doesn't happen, we will make a change and try to find someone else. It's a process and I expect long term success.
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Wojo was never the devil and shaka was never a savior. Kolek had 10 assists and no turnovers, what's not to like. At the beginning of the year I was dismayed that Shake didn't get a true center to front for Kuath. You can't win without a post presence. All of MU's bigs are pipe cleaners, Lewis goes 245 and nobody else comes close. On the upside everyone coming back will be older stronger and motivated. Maybe everyone should take a breath and see what happens moving forward.
Smart clearly values steals, turnovers and deflections to rebounds, people wanted a coach with a vision and a recruiting plan, be careful what you wish for.
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Kolek had 10 assists and no turnovers, what's not to like.
A 25% TO rate and .400 EFG
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He had a few months to slap a roster together and made the tourney. It’s going to be ok. The future is still bright. We will all feel better heading into next season in Shaka’s second year. But yes, today was an evisceration.
As much as it pains people, this was his team. Four starters were his guys. He brought three guys from his Texas recruiting class. He also decided to keep two guys from Wojo's class. He was a finalist for Oso so he must liked him. That's 10 guys. The two other holdovers were Justin and Greg. He had DJ and Dawson also but some reason both left. Whether it was their choice or Shaka's, it still falls on him. He also had one scholarship available that he didn't use.
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It is possible for both statements above to be true at the same time. ^^
Yes it was his team, he absolutely chose all of the players on the roster. The buck stops with him, 100%. He also had limited time and options to put a roster together without the benefit of a full offseason, while simultaneously assembling a staff and adjusting to the job at a new school.
He bears responsibility for the shortcomings that are the result of the roster he put together for this past season. But I am willing to bet he will do a better job of it moving forward.
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Texas got a nice tournament win I see… first year coach…
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Texas got a nice tournament win I see… first year coach…
Cool, story. Hook ‘em
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Let me clarify, seems like a good guy, his players seem to like him, doesn't seem like he'll get MU in trouble. That part is fine.
I'm skeptical about his potential for the results Marquette fans want. It's been mentioned several times already, but since his First-Four to Final-Four run, he's won two NCAA games in 11 years. He's now won zero in 9 years. 6 of those years he was at a program that has more resources, support, and cachet than Marquette.
I hope he's the right guy, and picks it up the next couple years. I'm with you there, however given past results, I'm not optimistic that it will happen.
Fair points Rocky. Truth be told, I was in the camp of a .500 season this year so I do think we surprised to the upside. Clearly the last few weeks have been very disappointing.
Let’s see how next season goes.
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A 25% TO rate and .400 EFG
Nice work Clarissa. Are these stats true?
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Nice work Clarissa. Are these stats true?
The TO% was 24.6 for the year, but I rounded up. .400 was spot on.
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The TO% was 24.6 for the year, but I rounded up. .400 was spot on.
Ok. We need a new point guard!
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Let me clarify, seems like a good guy, his players seem to like him, doesn't seem like he'll get MU in trouble. That part is fine.
I'm skeptical about his potential for the results Marquette fans want. It's been mentioned several times already, but since his First-Four to Final-Four run, he's won two NCAA games in 11 years. He's now won zero in 9 years. 6 of those years he was at a program that has more resources, support, and cachet than Marquette.
I hope he's the right guy, and picks it up the next couple years. I'm with you there, however given past results, I'm not optimistic that it will happen.
Those are my sentiments exactly. I was not that excited when he was hired based on his years at Texas. I wasn't too excited about the talent he brought in, but I hoped for the best and di enjoy the 7 game gauntlet. The team definitely regressed the final 10 games of the season and I'm not so sure we don't take a step back next year too. I hope I am wrong, but our talent level just does not compare well to other BE and NCAA tourney teams.
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To me next year depends primarily on 3 factors:
1) Lewis and does he come back. Probably more likely he goes but I don’t see it as a sure thing. If he does come back having a potential BEPOY as a cornerstone is huge. If he goes it’s a big loss.
2) Transfer portal. We need at least one high impact transfer in, preferably two. This will be even more important if Lewis leaves. We need an animal on the boards.
3) Internal development. OMax, Kam, Joplin, Oso, Stevie, Kolek. All of these guys have room to grow with different ceilings. Can one or more of them improve dramatically? Can they all at the very least become more consistent? Let’s see what kind of placer development we see over the summer. I don’t want to ignore Ellis here either but I’m not sure what his thoughts are in terms of staying at Marquette.
At this point I’m not counting on much from the incoming freshmen. It would be really nice if Jones can provide quality minutes at the 1. Hopefully there’s a pleasant surprise with this group.
There’s really a wide range of outcomes of what next season could look like. Hoping for the best.
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Speaking with another alum at lunch and we agreed Shaka was our 3rd or 4th choice. His time at Texas did not inspire confidence. The team's play down the stretch was a red flag.
I still believe it takes 3 years to get a fully informed opinion. At this point, my admittedly half-assed opinion is not positive. I sincerely hope I am wrong.
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So, William...
If MU started 7-14… won 8 of their last 10, you'd be happier because they showed improvement?
Think so. But that did not happen, did it? So that is a hypothetical, but we know what did happen. Including the last 2 games fiascos.
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Those are my sentiments exactly. I was not that excited when he was hired based on his years at Texas. I wasn't too excited about the talent he brought in, but I hoped for the best and di enjoy the 7 game gauntlet. The team definitely regressed the final 10 games of the season and I'm not so sure we don't take a step back next year too. I hope I am wrong, but our talent level just does not compare well to other BE and NCAA tourney teams.
fiasco.
Clear the decks and get studs. That is Shaka job.
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Think so. But that did not happen, did it? So that is a hypothetical, but we know what did happen. Including the last 2 games fiascos.
What did happen is MU beat a bunch of ranked teams, had a winning BE record, and made the tournament.
Still preferable to a .500 record with "improvement" at the end of the year.
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What did happen is MU beat a bunch of ranked teams, had a winning BE record, and made the tournament.
Still preferable to a .500 record with "improvement" at the end of the year.
What did happen is that the team regressed as year went on including 3 losses to Creighton and a 32 point ass kicking to an 8 seed in dance. Sounds like selective memory by you.
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What did happen is that the team regressed as year went on including 3 losses to Creighton and a 32 point ass kicking to an 8 seed in dance. Sounds like selective memory by you.
“Ass” 🤔
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Count me as one that was happy with the job Shaka did this year even though he and his team certainly failed miserably in this last game. I thought this was a very flawed team that overachieved, and unfortunately all those flaws showed up on Thursday. It sort of reminded me of the 2017 team that made the tourney and probably had no business being there had they not had some lucky breaks along the way.
They took advantage of some good luck (i.e. playing Illinois without Cockburn and squeaking out a 1 point win, beating Seton Hall without Aiken, K State missing key player, etc. etc.). Their record probably was better than the team's actual quality truly was, but for a team coming off a disastrous 2020-2021 and getting a new coach, this was a pretty surprising and positive result to make the NCAA Tournament.
I will say this, Shaka will have to step up his player recruiting to play that pressure high tempo style he really wants to play. When your starting PG shoots 32% from the field and below 30% from 3, that created a huge hole for the offense when he was forced to be more than a passer. I'd be interested to see if "Cracked Sidewalks" can go through MU history and find a starting guard for the Warriors that shot and scored at a percentage more poorly than that. To me, he has to vastly improve his FG% to hold onto that starting job despite his tremendous passing skills.
Add to that PG efficiency issue, the fact that they did not have a Big East starting caliber 5 man on their team, that was a couple of huge holes to overcome. What carried Marquette this year was the incredible improvement of Lewis and Morsell. Morsell played better at MU than at any time at Maryland where he never averaged double figures in scoring in his 4 years there but upped his average to over 13 PPG with MU. Crazy that Shaka was able to make this team as good as they were with all the real flaws it had. I think towards the end of the year, the flaws were evident for every coaching staff to see and there was just no way MU was going to be able to overcome it against the stronger teams.
The key going forward, Shaka is going to have to continue to build on the young core of Prosper, Mitchell, Joplin, and Jones. Those guys I believe have a bright future and a couple of years down the road will be key pieces on some stronger teams assuming Shaka can find more guys like them and keep that core from transferring out which is always a possibility these days. He's going to have to fix the PG and C spots as well, hopefully the recruits coming in can plug those holes or at least have the potential to plug them in a couple years.
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Agreed 100% GBP93
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Speaking with another alum at lunch and we agreed Shaka was our 3rd or 4th choice. His time at Texas did not inspire confidence. The team's play down the stretch was a red flag.
I still believe it takes 3 years to get a fully informed opinion. At this point, my admittedly half-assed opinion is not positive. I sincerely hope I am wrong.
Who were the three ahead of Shaka?
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Who were the three ahead of Shaka?
Tony Bennett, Erik Spolestra and Brian Wardle
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Who were the three ahead of Shaka?
I'd love to hear this too. Porter Moser? ::) What's funny is we probably would be celebrating a game or 2 in the NIT and calling it progress if we didn't go on that conference winning streak. Yes, we got blown out of the water on Thursday, but we weren't even supposed to be there. I bet 90%+ of MU fans would have chosen "make NCAA tournament and lose" over "Make NIT" at the beginning of the year. Was the expectation really for Shaka to take a brand new roster in a brand new system to the round of 32 or sweet 16 in year one? I don't care if expectations changed throughout the year, he was still playing with the same cards.
Shaka is the right guy for the program. Let him get his guys and let's build this thing back to a power in CBB. Can't wait to invest more in the program. Upgrading my seats next year as I'm pumped for the future.
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What did happen is that the team regressed as year went on including 3 losses to Creighton and a 32 point ass kicking to an 8 seed in dance. Sounds like selective memory by you.
Both things are true. But on the whole, give me the winning season with a tourney bid any day.
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Both things are true. But on the whole, give me the winning season with a tourney bid any day.
Suit yourself. On the whole, give me some noise in the tourney instead of the boat race we became. On the whole give me some studs coming in for next year rather than the mid major 3 stars coming in.
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Shaka has not built his team yet. This year’s team was pasted together quickly. Some of the players have great potential. Let’s see wha Shaka can do 8n evaluating talent and bringing in sad talent. Stars schmars. Let’s see the value of what he builds in nex two classes. Looks like a couple good ones next year and hopefully Gold is golden.
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“Ass” 🤔
So now you are reduced to name calling. Stay classy Pico
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Tony Bennett, Erik Spolestra and Brian Wardle
Likely Pico was at top of list, given his superior knowledge and legend in his mind attitude.
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Likely Pico was at top of list, given his superior knowledge and legend in his mind attitude.
I’d pay for players and hire top level assistants
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Shaka has not built his team yet. This year’s team was pasted together quickly. Some of the players have great potential.
This was mentioned elsewhere. But he intentionally kept Elliott, Lewis, and Oso. Re-recruited Kam and Stevie. Brought Eliis, Joplin, and Itejere from his TX class, and got Morsell, Kur, Omax and Kolek from the portal. And started on Mar 26, 2021. 1 year ago in 7 days.
This was the team his choose. Not some middle of the summer hire that had to throw things together.
I expect he'll get better rosters, but the narrative that he was forced to throw this one together is false.
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Shaka has not built his team yet. This year’s team was pasted together quickly. Some of the players have great potential. Let’s see wha Shaka can do 8n evaluating talent and bringing in sad talent. Stars schmars. Let’s see the value of what he builds in nex two classes. Looks like a couple good ones next year and hopefully Gold is golden.
McDermott lost all five of his starters, added nine new players and is battling Kansas in the second round despite losing significant players to injury.
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Everyone please be patient. Shaka needs 4 to 5 more years before we can judge how he’s doing. If by then things haven’t turned around we will require 5 or 6 additional years to judge his replacement. The fact that the team regressed the last third of the year and was embarrassed in the tourney is nothing to be concerned about. We have a strong core of role players and an adequate group of freshman coming in. We also have the portal where we can continue to add players that we pump up to be studs before they step on the court but who play like duds once the games start. Nobody worry. If we just keep saying it’s fine, then it has to turn out fine, right?
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Everyone please be patient. Shaka needs 4 to 5 more years before we can judge how he’s doing. If by then things haven’t turned around we will require 5 or 6 additional years to judge his replacement. The fact that the team regressed the last third of the year and was embarrassed in the tourney is nothing to be concerned about. We have a strong core of role players and an adequate group of freshman coming in. We also have the portal where we can continue to add players that we pump up to be studs before they step on the court but who play like duds once the games start. Nobody worry. If we just keep saying it’s fine, then it has to turn out fine, right?
you are obsessed
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Need 10 years at least to judge. I’m sure we will have won an NIT game by then.
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Need 10 years at least to judge. I’m sure we will have won an NIT game by then.
Who said that? What would you do today as Marquette AD or coach? Please share your ideas.
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Who said that? What would you do today as Marquette AD or coach? Please share your ideas.
If I was the AD I’d resign knowing I was a huge part of the problem.
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Incredible and depressingly predictable the whining in this thread and on the scoop as a whole. Marquette lost to a final four team after making the tournament unexpectedly in the new coach’s first year. I get it wasn’t fun to watch these past six weeks, but c’mon.
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The performance of most posters in this thread is way, way more embarrassing that that of the team on Thursday.
May I recommend that each of you losers find a different team to support. It will make Scoop a better place.
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If I was the AD I’d resign knowing I was a huge part of the problem.
So, you don’t follow any other of the teams at Marquette? Got it
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So, you don’t follow any other of the teams at Marquette? Got it
There is only one team at Marquette that matters and we all know it. If Men’s basketball is no good, every other team will suffer for it.
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Incredible and depressingly predictable the whining in this thread and on the scoop as a whole. Marquette lost to a final four team after making the tournament unexpectedly in the new coach’s first year. I get it wasn’t fun to watch these past six weeks, but c’mon.
Did UNC beat Marquette so bad that they just advanced then all the way to the final four like getting a card in Monopoly to move directly to Go?
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Incredible and depressingly predictable the whining in this thread and on the scoop as a whole. Marquette lost to a final four team after making the tournament unexpectedly in the new coach’s first year. I get it wasn’t fun to watch these past six weeks, but c’mon.
Cool. We're only a 32 point improvement from being a Final Four team.
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Everyone please be patient. Shaka needs 4 to 5 more years before we can judge how he’s doing. If by then things haven’t turned around we will require 5 or 6 additional years to judge his replacement. The fact that the team regressed the last third of the year and was embarrassed in the tourney is nothing to be concerned about. We have a strong core of role players and an adequate group of freshman coming in. We also have the portal where we can continue to add players that we pump up to be studs before they step on the court but who play like duds once the games start. Nobody worry. If we just keep saying it’s fine, then it has to turn out fine, right?
If you keep saying it's hopeless, then it has to be hopeless forever - no matter what, right?
A few weeks ago, you were fellating Shaka. Now he's gotta go because the program is doomed.
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If you keep saying it's hopeless, then it has to be hopeless forever - no matter what, right?
A few weeks ago, you were fellating Shaka. Now he's gotta go because the program is doomed.
Not once has I said he has to go. It’s just silly though how many people on this board want to make excuses and stick their heads in the sand. If what I posted was fellating Shaka, you must be bent over with cheeks spread wide.
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McDermott lost all five of his starters, added nine new players and is battling Kansas in the second round despite losing significant players to injury.
And he used the word “plantation” which was supposed to make recruiting impossible.
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Not once has I said he has to go. It’s just silly though how many people on this board want to make excuses and stick their heads in the sand. If what I posted was fellating Shaka, you must be bent over with cheeks spread wide.
Well, you ridicule anybody who calls for even a little patience when it comes to judging Shaka ... so if you don't think patience is warranted, that means you think he's gotta go.
But what you say doesn't apparently matter anyway. You said yesterday that you were done. You declared yourself to no longer care about the Marquette basketball program.
And yet you've made dozens of posts since then, which is odd for somebody who no longer cares. So I guess you're just a liar?
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Well, you ridicule anybody who calls for even a little patience when it comes to judging Shaka ... so if you don't think patience is warranted, that means you think he's gotta go.
But what you say doesn't apparently matter anyway. You said yesterday that you were done. You declared yourself to no longer care about the Marquette basketball program.
And yet you've made dozens of posts since then, which is odd for somebody who no longer cares. So I guess you're just a liar?
I’m only here for you old timer.
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Did UNC beat Marquette so bad that they just advanced then all the way to the final four like getting a card in Monopoly to move directly to Go?
Let’s see what happens next weekend.
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Cool. We're only a 32 point improvement from being a Final Four team.
You thought this team should have been FF-caliber? lol
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Let’s see what happens next weekend.
Until then I’m with you. I’m going to pray every night that God sees it for to send UNC to the final Four. That way we all can point to that as the reason for losing by 32 points and we can feel good that we’re headed in the right direction. We also might be able to hang a banner since we beat them last year.
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Until then I’m with you. I’m going to pray every night that God sees it for to send UNC to the final Four. That way we all can point to that as the reason for losing by 32 points and we can feel good that we’re headed in the right direction. We also might be able to hang a banner since we beat them last year.
This reply is about as funny as the average Chris Farley movie.
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I’m only here for you old timer.
Quitter.
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McDermott lost all five of his starters, added nine new players and is battling Kansas in the second round despite losing significant players to injury.
he's been at Creighton for awhile now...not really a good comparison to a brand new coach who had to piece together a roster...it was a top 25 recruiting class... then you have Prosper, Oso, and Kolek who will only get better...And i bet shaka brings in 1 or 2 big time transfers...thats not even considering Lewis..Im super excited about the future with Shaka and look forward to it...get ready for some good basketball
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he's been at Creighton for awhile now...not really a good comparison to a brand new coach who had to piece together a roster...it was a top 25 recruiting class... then you have Prosper, Oso, and Kolek who will only get better...And i bet shaka brings in 1 or 2 big time transfers...thats not even considering Lewis..Im super excited about the future with Shaka and look forward to it...get ready for some good basketball
I am in with you!!
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I’d pay for players and hire top level assistants
then we shoulda hired Sean Miller
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Until then I’m with you. I’m going to pray every night that God sees it for to send UNC to the final Four. That way we all can point to that as the reason for losing by 32 points and we can feel good that we’re headed in the right direction. We also might be able to hang a banner since we beat them last year.
Have not seen evidence that we are heading in right direction based on last month and tourney smackdown. Maybe we are, maybe we are not.
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then we shoulda hired Sean Miller
I am happy to be an alum of a school that isn't part of an FBI investigation. It does feel pretty good not to be associated with miscreants and malfeasance.
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Until then I’m with you. I’m going to pray every night that God sees it for to send UNC to the final Four. That way we all can point to that as the reason for losing by 32 points and we can feel good that we’re headed in the right direction. We also might be able to hang a banner since we beat them last year.
That is pretty funny!!! More Wojo though…..
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All those judging Shaka solely on this year me game after this overachieving year are embarrassing themselves. Did that loss suck? Absolutely! Is it acceptable? No! But those writing off Shaka already are nuts and sounds stupid to any knowledgeable college basketball fan. Don’t embarrass yourself and this MU fan base. It sounds stupid.
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Not once has I said he has to go. It’s just silly though how many people on this board want to make excuses and stick their heads in the sand. If what I posted was fellating Shaka, you must be bent over with cheeks spread wide.
The only silly response is yours. What do you think it accomplishes?
Maybe if enough of us get together and get mad then we can march to….. and demand that they…… or maybe if we all stop going then they’ll…… or if they know that we want different results then they’ll…… or maybe if we post enough on a forum nobody with any power reads then they’ll…..
It’s Full steam ahead after year one no matter how angry you get. Nobody is happy about the loss, but we understand how this process goes and don’t care for pissing in the wind.
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Well said Rushmore. Maybe some prefer to start with a 13-19 season and then a slight improvement and losing Big East season after that and build up to a tourney appearance in a subsequent year rather than an overachievement in year one. Not me.
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All those judging Shaka solely on this year me game after this overachieving year are embarrassing themselves. Did that loss suck? Absolutely! Is it acceptable? No! But those writing off Shaka already are nuts and sounds stupid to any knowledgeable college basketball fan. Don’t embarrass yourself and this MU fan base. It sounds stupid.
Hm, is anybody writing off Shaka for one game? No. There's a lot more of Shaka's history to evaluate.
I'm also not writing off Shaka at all. He gets 2 more years to prove he *still* belongs with the big boys. But lets not pretend that we're dealing with an unknown assistant that needs time to grow like our previous coach.
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All those judging Shaka solely on this year me game after this overachieving year are embarrassing themselves. Did that loss suck? Absolutely! Is it acceptable? No! But those writing off Shaka already are nuts and sounds stupid to any knowledgeable college basketball fan. Don’t embarrass yourself and this MU fan base. It sounds stupid.
Sorry pal. The people that embarrassed themselves were the ones on the receiving end of that embarrassing 32 point smackdown. Worst 8/9 debacle ever. The honeymoon is over. Shaka needs to bring in better talent and get his big boy pants on immediately. Deflect your criticism all you want. But remember the embarrassing finish over last month of season. Beat by DePaul. 3 losses to Creighton and a laughing crush by NC. There lies the embarrassment
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Hm, is anybody writing off Shaka for one game? No. There's a lot more of Shaka's history to evaluate.
I'm also not writing off Shaka at all. He gets 2 more years to prove he *still* belongs with the big boys. But lets not pretend that we're dealing with an unknown assistant that needs time to grow like our previous coach.
Yes Rocky. The voice of reason. Agree. Two more years. But after this years ending, that window is starting to close. Time for Shaka to roll up his sleeves, prop the window open, and clean the glass.
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You thought this team should have been FF-caliber? lol
This team shouldn't lose to any non-NBA team by 32 points.
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This was mentioned elsewhere. But he intentionally kept Elliott, Lewis, and Oso. Re-recruited Kam and Stevie. Brought Eliis, Joplin, and Itejere from his TX class, and got Morsell, Kur, Omax and Kolek from the portal. And started on Mar 26, 2021. 1 year ago in 7 days.
This was the team his choose. Not some middle of the summer hire that had to throw things together.
I expect he'll get better rosters, but the narrative that he was forced to throw this one together is false.
It's odd how you nitpick Shaka, yet were a Projo for so many years. What's up with that? Btw, Wojo took over on April Fools Day and wasn't some middle of the summer hire that had to throw things together. If memory serves correct we didn't make the NIT in Year 1 or 2 and finished 4-14, 8-10 in Big East in Years 1 and 2 with KenPom ranks of 93 and 97. Yet you still were on his bandwagon 5 years in. Odd.
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Hm, is anybody writing off Shaka for one game? No. There's a lot more of Shaka's history to evaluate.
I'm also not writing off Shaka at all. He gets 2 more years to prove he *still* belongs with the big boys. But lets not pretend that we're dealing with an unknown assistant that needs time to grow like our previous coach.
Just saw this. Got it. 20 years as an assistant under the man who is considered to be the best college basketball coach of all-time wasn't enough time to "grow." So, in Year 7 of the Wojo regime, the 6 years of "growth" time as head coach really paid dividends and his coaching chops really improved, right?
I'm 100% on board with Shaka and have his 4th year as the year the "benchmark" year to get a feel for where the program's trajectory/potential are under his leadership.
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Just saw this. Got it. 20 years as an assistant under the man who is considered to be the best college basketball coach of all-time wasn't enough time to "grow." So, in Year 7 of the Wojo regime, the 6 years of "growth" time as head coach really paid dividends and his coaching chops really improved, right?
I'm 100% on board with Shaka and have his 4th year as the year the "benchmark" year to get a feel for where the program's trajectory/potential are under his leadership.
Can't believe this needs to be said, but ... Wojo should not be the baseline by which we judge Shaka.
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It seems unanimous that Shaka is a better coach than Wojo.
But can he recruit players with high enough skill and talent to play even against the top 1/3 of schools in the power conferences?
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Just saw this. Got it. 20 years as an assistant under the man who is considered to be the best college basketball coach of all-time wasn't enough time to "grow." So, in Year 7 of the Wojo regime, the 6 years of "growth" time as head coach really paid dividends and his coaching chops really improved, right?
I'm 100% on board with Shaka and have his 4th year as the year the "benchmark" year to get a feel for where the program's trajectory/potential are under his leadership.
Fantastic. By the end of Shaka’s 4th year we’ll potentially had 12 seasons of less than acceptable results. Just wait it out until then and see how it goes.
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Just saw this. Got it. 20 years as an assistant under the man who is considered to be the best college basketball coach of all-time wasn't enough time to "grow." So, in Year 7 of the Wojo regime, the 6 years of "growth" time as head coach really paid dividends and his coaching chops really improved, right?
It's amazing that you can't accept that different situations deserve different judgements. You're free to have your opinion on timeline - I certainly know better than to ever try to convince you to change your mind. Mine is Shaka better have at least one NCAA win after 3 years.
If he's the coach and recruiter you proclaim, that shouldn't be a problem and it's not an issue. But then he's only got another few years after that to exceed that "single NCAA win" metric.
This isn't hard. Those are my expectations. If yours are lower, so be it.
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I just want 2012 Marquette back please.
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I just want 2012 Marquette back please.
Minus the multiple sexual assaults and a coach helping to make sure all his guys have the same story before any investigations are performed. If we need to have that to have the on court results, I’d take Wojo 100 times out of 100.
I think Shaka can be a happy medium.
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Wonder what the PG position would have looked like had DJ Carton bought in and stuck with Shaka. His departure was unexpected as I recall.
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Wonder what the PG position would have looked like had DJ Carton bought in and stuck with Shaka. His departure was unexpected as I recall.
Tell me you’re ok with Marquette continuing to be mediocre without saying your ok with Marquette continuing to be mediocre.
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Wojo could recruit but seemed to lack coaching skill.
Shaka can coach but can he recruit the players to be in the top 1/3 of the Big East?
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Any questioning if Shaka can recruit at a high level obviously has not been watching college basketball the past eight years.
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Any questioning if Shaka can recruit at a high level obviously has not been watching college basketball the past eight years.
Yep yep.
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Any questioning if Shaka can recruit at a high level obviously has not been watching college basketball the past eight years.
100000%, I cannot seriously believe people are questioning Shaka's recruiting abilities.
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Any questioning if Shaka can recruit at a high level obviously has not been watching college basketball the past eight years.
So no one should question his recruiting because of his past eight years but also no one needs to worry about his ability to achieve success at Marquette despite his underwhelming success the last 8 years. Ok, got it. Just want to make sure I know the rules for the next 4 years while we continue to be patient and wait for next year.
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I’m concerned about Shaka’s recruiting at MU …
The 3 freshmen are 3 star / not even top 100 type recruits. Will need lots of time to develop… if they can … into top half of BE talent
He needs a REAL center ( big , strong, can rebound) and another player out of the portal
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Farley
My response was off the comment that Shaka can coach and Wojo can recruit. Very simple reply on my part, Shaka can recruit. You are free to question whatever you want to question.
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One year and we way overachieved and there is an argument about Shaka’s coaching abilities already. Can we have at least two years?
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One year and we way overachieved and there is an argument about Shaka’s coaching abilities already. Can we have at least two years?
No
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Wojo could recruit but seemed to lack coaching skill.
Shaka can coach but can he recruit the players to be in the top 1/3 of the Big East?
Shaka’s coaching was a mixed bag, imo. Good…’Nova games. SH games. Illinois. Bad? At UW. UCLA. Creighton games. UConn games. At Butler. At DeP. UNC.
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Ha! Ok…enough said.
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Shaka’s coaching was a mixed bag, imo. Good…’Nova games. SH games. Illinois. Bad? At UW. UCLA. Creighton games. UConn games. At Butler. At DeP. UNC.
All losses aren’t because of the coach. Sometimes, the other team is better on a given night or better in general. Just like wins aren’t all because of the coach.
The cult of the coach when evaluating sports is still baffling. I’m no Greg Gard fan but seeing Badger fans blast him today is incredible
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Any questioning if Shaka can recruit at a high level obviously has not been watching college basketball the past eight years.
Sure, but recruiting to Texas and recruiting to Marquette are different animals.
Ben Howland regularly recruited top 5-10 recruiting classes to UCLA. His best class at Mississippi State was ranked 10th - largely on the strength of 7 members - and he had only one other top 20 class in seven seasons.
I do believe Shaka will be able to recruit to MU, but it's not insane to suggest he still needs to prove it.
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Sure, but recruiting to Texas and recruiting to Marquette are different animals.
Ben Howland regularly recruited top 5-10 recruiting classes to UCLA. His best class at Mississippi State was ranked 10th - largely on the strength of 7 members - and he had only one other top 20 class in seven seasons.
I do believe Shaka will be able to recruit to MU, but it's not insane to suggest he still needs to prove it.
Correct, this isn’t a hard concept to get. Good news is we’ll find out soon if Shaka can recruit to MU. Next years transfers in and the 2023 verbals will be coming in shortly.
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Pakuni
I disagree on the location being a major factor. Great recruiters get kids to play anywhere. Now, I do have concern that Shaka may have decided to recruit lower level players at MU and not going after 4 and 5 stars, but I have trust in judgement. If he is going that route, the transfer portal is going to be even mote important. Again, I have little doubt that Shaka can get players at MU and I hope he starts today.
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I don't see many problem recruiting to MU: Great facilities, enormous support for the program, Top tier conference and lots of exposure.
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As I sit here today, I do not have "concerns" about Shaka's recruiting. I am very interested in seeing what kind of players he brings in from high school and the transfer portal now that he has had a full year at Marquette to go through the process.
The "concern" part will come in if the kids he bring in over the next few months don't lead to better results on the court next season.
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Correct, will be judged by Ws & Ls.
I have to believe it would be easier with 4 star and an occasional 5 star.
Having the talent is a good starting point.
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As I sit here today, I do not have "concerns" about Shaka's recruiting. I am very interested in seeing what kind of players he brings in from high school and the transfer portal now that he has had a full year at Marquette to go through the process.
The "concern" part will come in if the kids he bring in over the next few months don't lead to better results on the court next season.
He needs another 4 years before you should be concerned. It’s a process. Patience is required.
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Shaka wants the Badger job. He’s waiting out Gard.
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This one kinda bugs me -- a lot.
I'm as disgusted as anyone on Scoop about the UNC mess. That was terrible and as I said elsewhere, shame is an appropriate emotion. It invalidated the season.
The end of the year also was very disappointing. While I get you win some you should lose and lose some you should win, but beating Villanova twice and then losing to DePaul and Butler is inexcusable.
But underlying the Shakahowski assumption is an inability to grow from one's failings. Coach Wojo was with us for seven years and never "fixed" the problem. He had disparate parts that individually were very good basketball players but collectively played together about as well as Ukrainians and Russians do. Even watching Duke play Michigan State, you saw a lack of effective defense by both ex-Marquetters. We just never evolved.
I firmly believe that the UNC game is a watershed moment for Shaka. I'm convinced he'll find the parts to assemble a team we'll be proud of. Shaka was very reserved throughout the 2021-2022 year talking about the team's prognosis, in part because he knew he shoved used parts together at the last minute. I think there were moments where he proved what kind of a coach he can be and the message was not lost. Shaka's currency in the coaching market among AAU and high school coaches is reasonably strong and I'm hopeful this time next year, we'll be saying, "gosh I have to find a way to get to >>>>>> for the Sweet 16!"
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With apologies to the Scoop cliches, this off-season may not be Shaka's first test, but it is his most meaningful test to date. He succeeded in putting together a competitive roster. He got buy in and taught guys how to win. But he didn't keep them together. The team wasn't playing together, wasn't playing for each other, and clearly wasn't as good. Which creates the test question of how he puts it back together without the grad seniors and the NBA wing he inherited.
Can be reestablish the culture we saw in January behind the guys he brought in who were good enough to contribute but weren't the scoring leaders? Can he add the pieces necessary to fill holes, turn weaknesses into strengths, and do so without compromising the promise we've already seen? Can he go to consecutive tournies, something he didn't do at Texas? And can he get that elusive tourney win?
This first year was foundational. It was reading the material. Next year we see how the application goes. Here's hoping he's the guy we are paying him to be.
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I don't see many problem recruiting to MU: Great facilities, enormous support for the program, Top tier conference and lots of exposure.
So, your discountin' campus safety, hey?
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With apologies to the Scoop cliches, this off-season may not be Shaka's first test, but it is his most meaningful test to date. He succeeded in putting together a competitive roster. He got buy in and taught guys how to win. But he didn't keep them together. The team wasn't playing together, wasn't playing for each other, and clearly wasn't as good. Which creates the test question of how he puts it back together without the grad seniors and the NBA wing he inherited.
Can be reestablish the culture we saw in January behind the guys he brought in who were good enough to contribute but weren't the scoring leaders? Can he add the pieces necessary to fill holes, turn weaknesses into strengths, and do so without compromising the promise we've already seen? Can he go to consecutive tournies, something he didn't do at Texas? And can he get that elusive tourney win?
This first year was foundational. It was reading the material. Next year we see how the application goes. Here's hoping he's the guy we are paying him to be.
This deserves its own thread. Great stuff in here.
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Pakuni
I disagree on the location being a major factor. Great recruiters get kids to play anywhere. Now, I do have concern that Shaka may have decided to recruit lower level players at MU and not going after 4 and 5 stars, but I have trust in judgement. If he is going that route, the transfer portal is going to be even mote important. Again, I have little doubt that Shaka can get players at MU and I hope he starts today.
Goose, totally disagree. Milwaukee is a tough sell.
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Goose, totally disagree. Milwaukee is a tough sell.
Not for the players we're looking to recruit.
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Pakuni
I disagree on the location being a major factor. Great recruiters get kids to play anywhere. Now, I do have concern that Shaka may have decided to recruit lower level players at MU and not going after 4 and 5 stars, but I have trust in judgement. If he is going that route, the transfer portal is going to be even mote important. Again, I have little doubt that Shaka can get players at MU and I hope he starts today.
Goose,
My point wasn't about Milwaukee vs Austin (though we lose there also), but Marquette vs Texas.
Whether we like it or not, Texas has brand value and name recognition that Marquette does not, especially in that talent-rich part of the country. That's an advantage in recruiting. It's also a very different kind of school with a very different kind of athletic department.
This doesn't mean Shaka can't or won't recruit well at Marquette. It's just a recognition that recruiting to Texas is different than recruiting to Marquette, and success at one doesn't guarantee success at the other.
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He needs another 4 years before you should be concerned. It’s a process. Patience is required.
He's proved himself to be incompetent, so you should stop caring about the Marquette program.
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He succeeded in putting together a competitive roster. He got buy in and taught guys how to win. But he didn't keep them together. The team wasn't playing together, wasn't playing for each other, and clearly wasn't as good.
Can he go to consecutive tournies, something he didn't do at Texas? And can he get that elusive tourney win?
Reading your tea leaves blended with my own personal observation of the team, Shaka’s biggest hurdle is glaring in year one.
SS had no issues recruiting his choice of talent at Texas. He has had no issues getting the team to buy-in at any stop. How does he get the team to continue to buy-in when the spotlight gets bigger?
It was clear to me, and seems yourself that Justin and Darryl lost sight of the team after the surge in January. How does Shaka prevent this in the future is Shaka’s Achilles.
Ultimately, these kids are looking at the NBA when the light starts shining. They absolutely should be looking at the NBA. How does SS keep them playing for the team when their personal performance starts to be paramount?
Do you point to Lewis and his performance drop off when he stopped buying in? Is that enough? Is the answer recruiting only for the mindset, talent be damned?
I don’t have the answer, but I hope Shaka does and has learned from Texas.
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I stated in earlier posts that I refrained from criticizing Shaka or anyone the team this season and I did so because it was year one with a patched together roster. I did not see the second UConn game or the Butler game, but I watched every second the rest of the season. IMO, I felt that guys bought into the Jan success and lost focus of how they got there. I was very impressed with how Lewis improved and played this year but felt he was playing more for himself the past 1.5 months. It even seemed that Shaka was at a loss a couple of teams watching the individual efforts vs team effort. In Lewis's defense, I felt that Morsell, Elliott and Kolek fell into the same trap and played hero ball.
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With apologies to the Scoop cliches, this off-season may not be Shaka's first test, but it is his most meaningful test to date. He succeeded in putting together a competitive roster. He got buy in and taught guys how to win. But he didn't keep them together. The team wasn't playing together, wasn't playing for each other, and clearly wasn't as good. Which creates the test question of how he puts it back together without the grad seniors and the NBA wing he inherited.
Can be reestablish the culture we saw in January behind the guys he brought in who were good enough to contribute but weren't the scoring leaders? Can he add the pieces necessary to fill holes, turn weaknesses into strengths, and do so without compromising the promise we've already seen? Can he go to consecutive tournies, something he didn't do at Texas? And can he get that elusive tourney win?
This first year was foundational. It was reading the material. Next year we see how the application goes. Here's hoping he's the guy we are paying him to be.
I had posted about the possibility of some sort of internal tension, as the lack of energy and cohesiveness reminded me of what I saw in the last part of the '18-19' team, but this is a much better take than mine. I think the returning players will recognize that, to put it simply, they were wrong, and Shaka was right. If they do, the culture can and will not only be reestablished but be on a firm foundation for the entire season. I think fiascos of the DePaul game, Butler in Indy, the awful ending of the 2nd Creighton game, the sleepwalking in the BET game and last, but not least, the nightmare in Fort Worth should be enough to convince players of the hazards of not playing as a team. I'm not suggesting that all the games I listed would have been in the win column (especially UNC that was on a tear), but a few of them? Yes.
Edit: My favorite scene from Hoops was when the coach benched the smug star player who ignored his instruction to be a decoy on a set play. I loved the exchange between the ref and Hackman after the team was left with only four players due to fouls (not counting the benched player). "Coach, you need to get your team on the floor." "My team is on the floor".
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If Shaka can effectively recruit the state of WI & Milwaukee, Chicago, Detroit and St Louis, the roster should have plenty of win-time talent.
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If Shaka can effectively recruit the state of WI & Milwaukee, Chicago, Detroit and St Louis, the roster should have plenty of win-time talent.
Whoa, whoa, whoa? St. Louis? Good luck keeping those kids from being Billikens
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Reading a bunch of conspiracy theories as to the team having lost come chemistry/internal tension that developed down the stretch. I guess that's possible, yet I didn't see it, nor do I think there was an issue with chemistry.
This team wasn't expected to be great. This team evolved into a good but not great team. Pretty good teams do suffer occasional mind boggling defeats - i.e. Butler/DePaul. Yet Butler shot 46% from 3 in the loss. That's some pretty high level shooting. Did people really expect that we should win at UCONN and at Providence?
Creighton proved to be a team that progressively improved all season long. Kansas had their hands full with Creighton missing Kalkbrenner who is a major force for them. So..we lost by 1 at home, 1 on the road, and then again in the Big East tournament. UNC just snowballed...frustration after all the easy shots missed, some touch fouls, lack of calls for us, and UNC ultimately much better than an 9 seed.
So, my take is that pretty good teams don't do much damage in the NCAA tournament, especially when paired with a first round matchup against a red-hot, talented, blue blood program with some elite level talent.
The implosion in the UNC game was disappointing, frustrating, and but also amplified due to our two previous flameouts under Wojo. In reality, has there been a head coach at MU who has done a better first-year job coming in as an outsider and taking just 3 of the existing MU players and then adding 9 others to make an NCAA?
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Reading a bunch of conspiracy theories as to the team having lost come chemistry/internal tension that developed down the stretch. I guess that's possible, yet I didn't see it, nor do I think there was an issue with chemistry.
This team wasn't expected to be great. This team evolved into a good but not great team. Pretty good teams do suffer occasional mind boggling defeats - i.e. Butler/DePaul. Yet Butler shot 46% from 3 in the loss. That's some pretty high level shooting. Did people really expect that we should win at UCONN and at Providence?
Creighton proved to be a team that progressively improved all season long. Kansas had their hands full with Creighton missing Kalkbrenner who is a major force for them. So..we lost by 1 at home, 1 on the road, and then again in the Big East tournament. UNC just snowballed...frustration after all the easy shots missed, some touch fouls, lack of calls for us, and UNC ultimately much better than an 9 seed.
So, my take is that pretty good teams don't do much damage in the NCAA tournament, especially when paired with a first round matchup against a red-hot, talented, blue blood program with some elite level talent.
The implosion in the UNC game was disappointing, frustrating, and but also amplified due to our two previous flameouts under Wojo. In reality, has there been a head coach at MU who has done a better first-year job coming in as an outsider and taking just 3 of the existing MU players and then adding 9 others to make an NCAA?
Funny seeing you coming up with every excuse in the books for why we folded down the stretch.
No other coach in MU history had the advantage of immediately eligible transfers in their first year in the program. Shaka had 2 starters who couldn't have played a second for Marquette prior to this season.
Also funny because if this was Wojo you would've been claiming that he failed by not bringing back Carton, Garcia, Koby, Jose, Jamal (NBA talent in your eyes), and Theo. Combine that with Justin, Greg, and Oso to go with getting the previous coach's recruits in Stevie and Kam, and you'd be claiming the cupboard has never been so full in the history of college basketball.
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Funny seeing you coming up with every excuse in the books for why we folded down the stretch.
No other coach in MU history had the advantage of immediately eligible transfers in their first year in the program. Shaka had 2 starters who couldn't have played a second for Marquette prior to this season.
Also funny because if this was Wojo you would've been claiming that he failed by not bringing back Carton, Garcia, Koby, Jose, Jamal (NBA talent in your eyes), and Theo. Combine that with Justin, Greg, and Oso to go with getting the previous coach's recruits in Stevie and Kam, and you'd be claiming the cupboard has never been so full in the history of college basketball.
So..let's just play your game and say Shaka kept everyone around. That's a roster of 4 Top 100 recruits (Carton, Garcia, Lewis, Oso - not 7 as Wojo walked into). That aside, I wish Jamal would have stayed, he would have helped this team a lot, and there were many Jamal haters here on Scoop, btw.
Considering Wojo coached all of the players you mentioned to a fantastic 8-11 Big East record, 13-14 overall, and an end ranking of 83 in Ken Pom in Year 7 of his regime...yeah..I'd say Shaka did a great job Year 1. Let's not forget wonder boy Wojo led us to a spectacular 4-14 Big East finish in Year 1, and a Ken Pomo ranking of 97 year 2.
The departure of those vets led to increased playing time for all of Shaka's roster - notably a lot more PT for O-Max, Kolek, Oso, Kam - all of whom are very good prospects for the future of the program.
Go find another argument to start.
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So..let's just play your game and say Shaka kept everyone around. That's a roster of 4 Top 100 recruits (Carton, Garcia, Lewis, Oso - not 7 as Wojo walked into). That aside, I wish Jamal would have stayed, he would have helped this team a lot, and there were many Jamal haters here on Scoop, btw.
Considering Wojo coached all of the players you mentioned to a fantastic 8-11 Big East record, 13-14 overall, and an end ranking of 83 in Ken Pom in Year 7 of his regime...yeah..I'd say Shaka did a great job Year 1. Let's not forget wonder boy Wojo led us to a spectacular 4-14 Big East finish in Year 1, and a Ken Pomo ranking of 97 year 2.
The departure of those vets led to increased playing time for all of Shaka's roster - notably a lot more PT for O-Max, Kolek, Oso, Kam - all of whom are very good prospects for the future of the program.
Go find another argument to start.
I just like consistency in arguments.
Stevie was another top 100 recruit. So that's 5. And 2 of those 5 were top 35 players, whereas almost all of the 7 Wojo "inherited" were back end of the top 100.
Plus Jamal, who was not one of the 5 top 100 guys but is, according to you, an NBA player.
So that's 2 top 35 recruits, 3 other top 100 recruits, and an NBA player. That's a hell of a lot of talen to start with. Then you get the advantage of immediately eligible transfers for the first time in the history of college basketball. That's a huge advantage to build a roster in year one.
St. Buzz coached all of that top 100 talent to what kind of record in what year of his tenure at Marquette the year before Wojo took over?
Let's be consistent here.
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I just like consistency in arguments.
Stevie was another top 100 recruit. So that's 5. And 2 of those 5 were top 35 players, whereas almost all of the 7 Wojo "inherited" were back end of the top 100.
Plus Jamal, who was not one of the 5 top 100 guys but is, according to you, an NBA player.
So that's 2 top 35 recruits, 3 other top 100 recruits, and an NBA player. That's a hell of a lot of talen to start with. Then you get the advantage of immediately eligible transfers for the first time in the history of college basketball. That's a huge advantage to build a roster in year one.
St. Buzz coached all of that top 100 talent to what kind of record in what year of his tenure at Marquette the year before Wojo took over?
Let's be consistent here.
It's cool dude. You thought and think Wojo was a good coach, and apparently better than Shaka...and maybe even Buzz? I mean Buzz did coach that talent to a 68 Ken Pom ranking, and they were all 1 year younger/mostly freshman.
If you could, could you please enlighten us all as to why in Year 7 of his regime, Wojo was only able to coach all of his hand-selected talent to that 83 Ken Pom finish and 13-14 record?
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I know the thread title ends is "-howski" but do we really have to turn it into another revisiting of Wojo? Can we stick to the topic of the coach at hand?
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It's cool dude. You thought and think Wojo was a good coach, and apparently better than Shaka...and maybe even Buzz? I mean Buzz did coach that talent to a 68 Ken Pom ranking, and they were all 1 year younger/mostly freshman.
If you could, could you please enlighten us all as to why in Year 7 of his regime, Wojo was only able to coach all of his hand-selected talent to that 83 Ken Pom finish and 13-14 record?
I just like consistency in arguments. I don't think Wojo was a good coach at all. I do think he's been fairly comparable to Shaka over the last decade, given that Shaka didn't win a Tournament game in his 6 years at a bigger program than Wojo did in his 7 years at Marquette.
Wojo could only coach that team to 83rd in KenPom and 13-14 record because he wasn't a good coach and his talent was mostly young.
If you could, could you please enlighten all of us as to why in Year 6 of his regime, St. Buzz was only able to coach all of his hand-selected talent (7 top 100 players I think you've told us? Plus John "Magic" Dawson) to that 68 KenPom finish and 17-15 record?
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Goose, totally disagree. Milwaukee is a tough sell.
I'm really tired of this crap. Yeah, if you want scantily clad co-eds, palm trees, crappy educational institutions an an external environment that would cause ADHD in anyone, Milwaukee aint it.
If you want a school committed to basketball, a coach that cares about you, a community that supports the team and facilities second none as well as a nearby world champion NBA team, maybe Milwaukee is it.
Life in a community is what you make of it. If your mind is so feeble you need constant distractions, then perhaps Marquette isn't the answer. That's not the student athlete we're going after anyway.
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I'm really tired of this crap. Yeah, if you want scantily clad co-eds, palm trees, crappy educational institutions an an external environment that would cause ADHD in anyone, Milwaukee aint it.
If you want a school committed to basketball, a coach that cares about you, a community that supports the team and facilities second none as well as a nearby world champion NBA team, maybe Milwaukee is it.
Life in a community is what you make of it. If your mind is so feeble you need constant distractions, then perhaps Marquette isn't the answer. That's not the student athlete we're going after anyway.
The Bucks have always had a tough time attracting free agents. Now that they have had some big success, they may be able to get a few more free agents, but it’s not an attractive destination. Even if they are getting paid millions.
I think it’s naive to think the only ones turning down MU because of cold weather are weak minded. There’s a lot that goes into a college decision.
Just like it’s silly to think just because a player grows up 20 miles from campus, it’s a failure if he doesn’t go to MU. Some people want to go far from home for college.
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All those judging Shaka solely on this year me game after this overachieving year are embarrassing themselves. Did that loss suck? Absolutely! Is it acceptable? No! But those writing off Shaka already are nuts and sounds stupid to any knowledgeable college basketball fan. Don’t embarrass yourself and this MU fan base. It sounds stupid.
You've been on Scoop for a long time and are surprised? Heck we could make the FF & people would find something to b*tch about :p
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You've been on Scoop for a long time and are surprised? Heck we could make the FF & people would find something to b*tch about :p
19 years later in some cases.
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I'm really tired of this crap. Yeah, if you want scantily clad co-eds, palm trees, crappy educational institutions an an external environment that would cause ADHD in anyone, Milwaukee aint it.
If you want a school committed to basketball, a coach that cares about you, a community that supports the team and facilities second none as well as a nearby world champion NBA team, maybe Milwaukee is it.
Life in a community is what you make of it. If your mind is so feeble you need constant distractions, then perhaps Marquette isn't the answer. That's not the student athlete we're going after anyway.
This is what 17-28 year olds want brother dgies....
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dgies:
I'm really tired of this crap. Yeah, if you want scantily clad co-eds, palm trees, crappy educational institutions an an external environment that would cause ADHD in anyone, Milwaukee aint it.
Also dgies:
I live in Florida.
8-)
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dgies:
I'm really tired of this crap. Yeah, if you want scantily clad co-eds, palm trees, crappy educational institutions an an external environment that would cause ADHD in anyone, Milwaukee aint it.
Also dgies:
I live in Florida.
8-)
I aint no damn college basketball player for one thing. 8-)
For another, I have to answer to Ms. Dgies and she really likes Florida. As do I. But I liked Chicago, Milwaukee, Nashville and Duluth, all of which I've lived in during my life.
For the record, I love Milwaukee. I've spent an awful lot of time there over the years and often went to Milwaukee for fun instead of Chicago. It's more efficient, just as cultured and we have lots of wonderful memories from there over the years.
I reiterate what I said earlier -- life is what you make of it, no matter where you live.
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I reiterate what I said earlier -- life is what you make of it, no matter where you live.
I generally agree, but that's not the perspective I typically expect of a HS senior.
Plus, as much as I support Marquette and Marquette Hoops, I would never move back to Milwaukee. 4 years was enough for me. There are much nicer places to live.
And, you just deserved some hell for a little hypocrisy!
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I wanted MU to hire a coach that built fundamentally sound teams. That is why I wanted Moser. This team at the end was fundamentally weak (poor rebounding and too many turnovers). Oklahoma (Moser) missed the tournament, because they lost a starter to a season ending injury. Before the injury bracketology had them in the tournament.
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I wanted MU to hire a coach that built fundamentally sound teams. That is why I wanted Moser. This team at the end was fundamentally weak (poor rebounding and too many turnovers). Oklahoma (Moser) missed the tournament, because they lost a starter to a season ending injury. Before the injury bracketology had them in the tournament.
Which starter did OU lose ?
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I know the thread title ends is "-howski" but do we really have to turn it into another revisiting of Wojo? Can we stick to the topic of the coach at hand?
You new here?
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The Bucks have always had a tough time attracting free agents. Now that they have had some big success, they may be able to get a few more free agents, but it’s not an attractive destination. Even if they are getting paid millions.
I think it’s naive to think the only ones turning down MU because of cold weather are weak minded. There’s a lot that goes into a college decision.
Just like it’s silly to think just because a player grows up 20 miles from campus, it’s a failure if he doesn’t go to MU. Some people want to go far from home for college.
Exactly.
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I wanted MU to hire a coach that built fundamentally sound teams. That is why I wanted Moser. This team at the end was fundamentally weak (poor rebounding and too many turnovers). Oklahoma (Moser) missed the tournament, because they lost a starter to a season ending injury. Before the injury bracketology had them in the tournament.
Oklahoma was in the bottom 15 teams in the country for turnovers. Hard to call that fundamentally sound.
Which starter did OU lose ?
Elijah Harkless. But OU went 3-2 without him and the two games they lost they would have been heavy underdogs with or without him. They then beat Baylor in the B12 tourney before bowing out to Tech. I have a hard time saying that Harkless' injury is what kept them from dancing. It was probably the 2-9 stretch with him in the lineup that proceeded the injury
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Oklahoma was in the bottom 15 teams in the country for turnovers. Hard to call that fundamentally sound.
Elijah Harkless. But OU went 3-2 without him and the two games they lost they would have been heavy underdogs with or without him. They then beat Baylor in the B12 tourney before bowing out to Tech. I have a hard time saying that Harkless' injury is what kept them from dancing. It was probably the 2-9 stretch with him in the lineup that proceeded the injury
Other than that, how was the play, Mrs. Lincoln?
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Oklahoma was in the bottom 15 teams in the country for turnovers. Hard to call that fundamentally sound.
Elijah Harkless. But OU went 3-2 without him and the two games they lost they would have been heavy underdogs with or without him. They then beat Baylor in the B12 tourney before bowing out to Tech. I have a hard time saying that Harkless' injury is what kept them from dancing. It was probably the 2-9 stretch with him in the lineup that proceeded the injury
Thx - I knew the answer and had my own slam dunk post in drafts ready for his response. You just beat me to it :-)
Here’s a snippet -
His team didn’t make the tournament because they couldn’t beat anyone even with a full roster. Not because they lost Harkless and still went 3-2 without him.
Comparing Shaka and Moser’s year one is an absolute no contest and you’re lying to yourself if you think otherwise.
Moser has six open scholarship spots for next season and has signed two guys so far. Looks like a lot of high major guys signing up to play for him….
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Thx - I knew the answer and had my own slam dunk post in drafts ready for his response. You just beat me to it :-)
Here’s a snippet -
His team didn’t make the tournament because they couldn’t beat anyone even with a full roster. Not because they lost Harkless and still went 3-2 without him.
Comparing Shaka and Moser’s year one is an absolute no contest and you’re lying to yourself if you think otherwise.
Moser has six open scholarship spots for next season and has signed two guys so far. Looks like a lot of high major guys signing up to play for him….
Which was always the concern about his candidacy as a coach.
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There are plenty of legitimate questions about Shaka. There are at least as many (and probably more IMHO) about Moser.
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I aint no damn college basketball player for one thing. 8-)
For another, I have to answer to Ms. Dgies and she really likes Florida. As do I. But I liked Chicago, Milwaukee, Nashville and Duluth, all of which I've lived in during my life.
For the record, I love Milwaukee. I've spent an awful lot of time there over the years and often went to Milwaukee for fun instead of Chicago. It's more efficient, just as cultured and we have lots of wonderful memories from there over the years.
I reiterate what I said earlier -- life is what you make of it, no matter where you live.
Dgies trolling Scoop from his Vero hot tub.
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I aint no damn college basketball player for one thing. 8-)
For another, I have to answer to Ms. Dgies and she really likes Florida. As do I. But I liked Chicago, Milwaukee, Nashville and Duluth, all of which I've lived in during my life.
For the record, I love Milwaukee. I've spent an awful lot of time there over the years and often went to Milwaukee for fun instead of Chicago. It's more efficient, just as cultured and we have lots of wonderful memories from there over the years.
I reiterate what I said earlier -- life is what you make of it, no matter where you live.
Sick bird fan + see Dr Blackheart so true
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Thx - I knew the answer and had my own slam dunk post in drafts ready for his response. You just beat me to it :-)
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Lol happy to collaborate
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I aint no damn college basketball player for one thing. 8-)
For another, I have to answer to Ms. Dgies and she really likes Florida. As do I. But I liked Chicago, Milwaukee, Nashville and Duluth, all of which I've lived in during my life.
For the record, I love Milwaukee. I've spent an awful lot of time there over the years and often went to Milwaukee for fun instead of Chicago. It's more efficient, just as cultured and we have lots of wonderful memories from there over the years.
I reiterate what I said earlier -- life is what you make of it, no matter where you live.
Duluth is solid. Winters are scary, and it looks over at the meth capital dump known as Superior, but for 7 months D-town is sweet. Just sayin’.
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Cripe, I am not that big and surely don't have that much hair.
As to the subject at hand, Marquette's lack of consistent recruiting probably has more to do with the coaching carousel we have had and the overall instability in our program. Since Coach McGuire left at the end of 1977, we have had eight head coaches. The longest tenure is about seven years and the average around six -- or about 1.5 to 1.75x the average tenure of a college basketball player.
Villanova has no problem attracting great talent and they're in a city that Milwaukee tops seven days a week and five times on weekends. Philadelphia, give me a break! Ditto for Champaign, IL, the biggest hole in Champaign County's cornfields. Lawrence, Kansas is no nirvana either. You get stability in your program and reinforce a culture of winning and they'll come.
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Duluth is solid. Winters are scary, and it looks over at the meth capital dump known as Superior, but for 7 months D-town is sweet. Just sayin’.
Brother Viper,
I was born in Superior ;D. Brother Chili's wife is from Superior.
I really was. My grandparents lived on North 22nd Street and on East 4th Street.
I know, me being from Superior explains a lot. And, yes, Superior has its problems.
Both of my folks (including my MU grad Dad) grew up there and my family had been a part of the region for more than 100 years.
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Cripe, I am not that big and surely don't have that much hair.
As to the subject at hand, Marquette's lack of consistent recruiting probably has more to do with the coaching carousel we have had and the overall instability in our program. Since Coach McGuire left at the end of 1977, we have had eight head coaches. The longest tenure is about seven years and the average around six -- or about 1.5 to 1.75x the average tenure of a college basketball player.
Villanova has no problem attracting great talent and they're in a city that Milwaukee tops seven days a week and five times on weekends. Philadelphia, give me a break! Ditto for Champaign, IL, the biggest hole in Champaign County's cornfields. Lawrence, Kansas is no nirvana either. You get stability in your program and reinforce a culture of winning and they'll come.
One thing that made me do a double take during the Kansas/Creighton game was some KU fans holding a sign mocking Omaha. Did anyone else notice this? I don't remember the phrasing exactly but it essentially said "Omaha? Where is that?!" as if Lawrence is some sparking metropolis comparatively.
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Brother Viper,
I was born in Superior ;D. Brother Chili's wife is from Superior.
I really was. My grandparents lived on North 22nd Street and on East 4th Street.
I know, me being from Superior explains a lot. And, yes, Superior has its problems.
Both of my folks (including my MU grad Dad) grew up there and my family had been a part of the region for more than 100 years.
no offense meant on my hack on Superior. Solid history as a harbor town on the Big Lake. Hopefully will see a renaissance of sorts. Duluth… has a vibe. A little artsy for my taste, but a vibe...and good hockey. I dig it.
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no offense meant on my hack on Superior. Solid history as a harbor town on the Big Lake. Hopefully will see a renaissance of sorts. Duluth… has a vibe. A little artsy for my taste, but a vibe...and good hockey. I dig it.
No offense taken. Superior surely has its problems and it has been in an uninhibited shrinking mode since 1946. A reduction in the city's importance as both a port and a rail center has done this.
The meth problem in Superior knows no bounds. It's getting worse.
If the Embridge Line 5 goes away or the refinery is endangered (as it was about 25 years ago) the city will be smaller than Spooner
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No offense taken. Superior surely has its problems and it has been in an uninhibited shrinking mode since 1946. A reduction in the city's importance as both a port and a rail center has done this.
The meth problem in Superior knows no bounds. It's getting worse.
If the Embridge Line 5 goes away or the refinery is endangered (as it was about 25 years ago) the city will be smaller than Spooner
…but would still be the big-city to Bloomer!
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…but would still be the big-city to Bloomer!
I love Bloomer with all my heart
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I love Bloomer with all my heart
my man!
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I love Bloomer with all my heart
Bloomer? Really?
Bloomer is a dry spot in the mosquito infested swamp that is that part of Northern Wisconsin. Gosh, you can barely get there from U.S. 53.
Now Lake Nebagamon, that’s class.
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Bloomer? Really?
Bloomer is a dry spot in the mosquito infested swamp that is that part of Northern Wisconsin. Gosh, you can barely get there from U.S. 53.
Now Lake Nebagamon, that’s class.
I will die for the people of Bloomer, Cadott, Thorp, Jim Falls and the like
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Bloomer? Really?
Bloomer is a dry spot in the mosquito infested swamp that is that part of Northern Wisconsin. Gosh, you can barely get there from U.S. 53.
Now Lake Nebagamon, that’s class.
Do you play the banjo?
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Do you play the banjo?
Deliverance like I bet.
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I will die for the people of Bloomer, Cadott, Thorp, Jim Falls and the like
Let me know about the visitation!
Lake Nebagamon -- heaven on earth!
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Let’s see what happens next weekend.
Who could’ve seen this coming? re: the obvious Final Four path that UNC had before them after taking out Baylor.
I know MU’s loss was tough to take — a bad performance to cap off another late season collapse. But it coming at the hands of another final four, end-of-season heatseeker does matter.
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Twice now in Marquette’s last three tourney appearances.
South Carolina and North Carolina just appearing out of nowhere.
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Twice now in Marquette last three tourney appearances.
South Carolina and North z Carolina just appearing out of nowhere.
I'm glad we could be the impetus for something great in the Carolinas!
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Twice now in Marquette last three tourney appearances.
South Carolina and North z Carolina just appearing out of nowhere.
I wouldn’t compare the 2. USC for sure. But you had a UNC team with TONS of talent and a first year coach who started kind of slow. They won 11 of 13 to end the year including stomping Duke at Duke. Were they a final 4 team? Probably not. But they could have easily been a top 5 seed if they had not swooned mid year. They were a preseason top 20 squad
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Twice now in Marquette last three tourney appearances.
South Carolina and North z Carolina just appearing out of nowhere.
The 3rd was to an NBA superstar...granted all teams had warts(some bigger than others)...but match-ups matter.
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Next thing you the knowledgeable basketball people on this board will be calling the NCAA tourney a crapshoot and giving our coaches a pass on the horrible performances by MU.
The 3rd was to an NBA superstar...granted all teams had warts(some bigger than others)...but match-ups matter.
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Next thing you the knowledgeable basketball people on this board will be calling the NCAA tourney a crapshoot and giving our coaches a pass on the horrible performances by MU.
Then even more knowledgeable fans will realize that it’s not as big of a crapshoot when your team is really good and makes it on a yearly basis. Not that big of a crapshoot for Villanova or Duke or Kansas. They seem to have pretty regular success. However, let’s be satisfied with 3 tourney appearances in 10 years all of which were first round losses.
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Then even more knowledgeable fans will realize that it’s not as big of a crapshoot when your team is really good and makes it on a yearly basis. Not that big of a crapshoot for Villanova or Duke or Kansas. They seem to have pretty regular success. However, let’s be satisfied with 3 tourney appearances in 10 years all of which were first round losses.
Who's satisfied?
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Who's satisfied?
It’s disingenuous drivel from a buffoon
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It’s disingenuous drivel from a buffoon
The statement sounds good until he has to back it up lol. Then it's crickets.
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It’s disingenuous drivel from a buffoon
You spelled buffon wrong
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You spelled buffon wrong
I save that for unhinged rants
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Who's satisfied?
Anyone who says the tourney is a crap shoot, let’s cut our coaches some slack.
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Anyone who says the tourney is a crap shoot, let’s cut our coaches some slack.
So you think St. Peter’s is better than Kentucky ?
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So you think St. Peter’s is better than Kentucky ?
I don’t think Kentucky has only made 3 tourneys in 10 years and flamed out badly in round 1 in all three.
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I don’t think Kentucky has only made 3 tourneys in 10 years and flamed out badly in round 1 in all three.
Nice deflection. Next question since you won’t answer that one. What does Wojo’s failures have to do with Shaka?
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Nice deflection. Next question since you won’t answer that one. What does Wojo’s failures have to do with Shaka?
Ironically, Shaka would really like all those deflections.
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Nice deflection. Next question since you won’t answer that one. What does Wojo’s failures have to do with Shaka?
of course Farley doesn’t think St P is better than Blue. That’s not the point. I’d argue that Farley shows a passion for winning, or maybe more-so, a disgust of mediocre, of which we’ve been for a decade. I find that refreshing and wish more fans, alums, boosters had that attitude. Mediocre sucks. Many on scoop just dance around in circles, take personal shots with keyboard bravado and seem to have a ‘i hope we're good’ approach. I suppose thats ultimately where it’s at…we hope we’re good. But at least Farley is direct…mediocre doesn’t cut it. Seashells & Balloons was 45 damn yrs ago. Wojo did some positive things. For sure. We all agree enough winning was not one of them. But it’s been a decade since we’ve won a ncaa tourney game. Hence Farley’s take on things. Shaka? TBD (but that late season swoon was a revisionist stank.)
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of course Farley doesn’t think St P is better than Blue. That’s not the point. I’d argue that Farley shows a passion for winning, or maybe more-so, a disgust of mediocre, of which we’ve been for a decade. I find that refreshing and wish more fans, alums, boosters had that attitude. Mediocre sucks. Many on scoop just dance around in circles, take personal shots with keyboard bravado and seem to have a ‘i hope we're good’ approach. I suppose thats ultimately where it’s at…we hope we’re good. But at least Farley is direct…mediocre doesn’t cut it. Seashells & Balloons was 45 damn yrs ago. Wojo did some positive things. For sure. We all agree enough winning was not one of them. But it’s been a decade since we’ve won a ncaa tourney game. Hence Farley’s take on things. Shaka? TBD (but that late season swoon was a revisionist stank.)
That was exactly his point. One game defines a season which is why in his mind this year was a huge disappointment and just like seasons past with Wojo.
He of course doesn’t unders stand nuance and doesn’t care for logical discussion.
I hated the way season ended. It was a complete embarrassment and soured the season for me. It doesn’t make me feel better that UNC went on to make a run in the tournament. They still embarrassed us.
But —— I can still take a 40,000 foot view on the season and see that bringing together a totally new team with a lot of younger pieces still yielded a positive overall result.
Farley is just a moron who lumps Shaka in with Wojo because he’s frustrated.
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of course Farley doesn’t think St P is better than Blue. That’s not the point. I’d argue that Farley shows a passion for winning, or maybe more-so, a disgust of mediocre, of which we’ve been for a decade. I find that refreshing and wish more fans, alums, boosters had that attitude. Mediocre sucks. Many on scoop just dance around in circles, take personal shots with keyboard bravado and seem to have a ‘i hope we're good’ approach. I suppose thats ultimately where it’s at…we hope we’re good. But at least Farley is direct…mediocre doesn’t cut it. Seashells & Balloons was 45 damn yrs ago. Wojo did some positive things. For sure. We all agree enough winning was not one of them. But it’s been a decade since we’ve won a ncaa tourney game. Hence Farley’s take on things. Shaka? TBD (but that late season swoon was a revisionist stank.)
The good news is that Farley said this:
I’m officially done caring about MU basketball. Don’t care if they are good down the road.
He's proven that he no longer cares by making about 100 posts since then.
He also went from being one of the biggest Shaka cheerleaders on Scoop to being one of his biggest critics here, saying:
Shaka should probably be 1 and done
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I was a big Shaka fan but I just don’t see it after today.
Of course, since then he's claimed he never suggested Shaka should be shown the door. (Right ... he said Shaka only "probably" should be shown the door.)
Farley says lots of things, mostly out of his arse.
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Nice deflection. Next question since you won’t answer that one. What does Wojo’s failures have to do with Shaka?
The Kentucky question was irrelevant and a complete apples to oranges comparison. It wasn’t worth answering.
Shaka took over for a program that was a shadow of its former self. While not his doing, he doesn’t have the luxury to take years to get it back to glory. He knew what he was walking into when he took the job. Should he be fired after one year? No, but the clock is ticking and his seat will and should get hot quickly. If next year is another end of season collapse with no tourney or another humiliating first round exit this his seat should be on fire. MU doesn’t have the luxury to spend another 7 years hoping they got the right coach this time.
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That was exactly his point. One game defines a season which is why in his mind this year was a huge disappointment and just like seasons past with Wojo.
He of course doesn’t unders stand nuance and doesn’t care for logical discussion.
I hated the way season ended. It was a complete embarrassment and soured the season for me. It doesn’t make me feel better that UNC went on to make a run in the tournament. They still embarrassed us.
But —— I can still take a 40,000 foot view on the season and see that bringing together a totally new team with a lot of younger pieces still yielded a positive overall result.
Farley is just a moron who lumps Shaka in with Wojo because he’s frustrated.
It wasn’t one game. It was another end of year collapse followed by a 30+ point drubbing in the tournament. Which of us doesn’t understand nuance?
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The good news is that Farley said this:
He's proven that he no longer cares by making about 100 posts since then.
He also went from being one of the biggest Shaka cheerleaders on Scoop to being one of his biggest critics here, saying:
Adding ...
Of course, since then he's claimed he never suggested Shaka should be shown the door. (Right ... he said Shaka only "probably" should be shown the door.)
Farley says lots of things, mostly out of his arse.
I know you want to ask me to get married but I’ll say no. Still it’s sweet how you save everything I wrote. You’re a cute old man.
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of course Farley doesn’t think St P is better than Blue. That’s not the point.
Well actually that is the whole point of the "crapshoot" meme. Judging a season on one game is dumb.
I’d argue that Farley shows a passion for winning, or maybe more-so, a disgust of mediocre, of which we’ve been for a decade. I find that refreshing and wish more fans, alums, boosters had that attitude. Mediocre sucks. Many on scoop just dance around in circles, take personal shots with keyboard bravado and seem to have a ‘i hope we're good’ approach. I suppose thats ultimately where it’s at…we hope we’re good. But at least Farley is direct…mediocre doesn’t cut it. Seashells & Balloons was 45 damn yrs ago. Wojo did some positive things. For sure. We all agree enough winning was not one of them. But it’s been a decade since we’ve won a ncaa tourney game. Hence Farley’s take on things. Shaka? TBD (but that late season swoon was a revisionist stank.)
Are you under the impression that our attitude has any impact on anything to do with MU basketball?
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I know you want to ask me to get married but I’ll say no. Still it’s sweet how you save everything I wrote. You’re a cute old man.
Nobody here needs to "save" anything; stuff is easy to find. I looked up your posting history. It took all of 3 minutes to expose you for the cute quitter and cute liar you are. Time well spent.
You never said Shaka should be fired ... except when you said it. You say you no longer care at all about Marquette basketball ... except when you do.
So, when's your next "look at me - I'm the expert!" post on the team you no longer care about and the coach you fellated in January but two months later decided should "probably" be canned?
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Well actually that is the whole point of the "crapshoot" meme. Judging a season on one game is dumb.
Are you under the impression that our attitude has any impact on anything to do with MU basketball?
Where did he say our attitude has an impact? My thoughts that Putin is an pretty boy doesn’t impact his decision to wage warm and kill innocent people but it’s still the right thoughts for me have.
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Nobody here needs to "save" anything; stuff is easy to find. I looked up your posting history. It took all of 3 minutes to expose you for the cute quitter and cute liar you are. Time well spent.
You never said Shaka should be fired ... except when you said it. You say you no longer care at all about Marquette basketball ... except when you do.
So, when's your next "look at me - I'm the expert!" post on the team you no longer care about and the coach you fellated in January but two months later decided should "probably" be canned?
Your crush on me is adorable. I’m not into elderly men though. Sorry.
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Your crush on me is adorable. I’m not into elderly men though. Sorry.
Sorry, I don't dig quitters and liars. And I'm guessing no woman, either "elderly" or not, digs a lying quitter like you.
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Where did he say our attitude has an impact? My thoughts that Putin is an pretty boy doesn’t impact his decision to wage warm and kill innocent people but it’s still the right thoughts for me have.
You're comparing feelings for a dictator invading another country to the feelings of a bunch of mopes on a college basketball forum...
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Sorry, I don't dig quitters and liars. And I'm guessing no woman, either "elderly" or not, digs a lying quitter like you.
😂😂😂 I just love the things I can make you do. Look at how you’re embarrassing yourself. I’m being ridiculous on purpose. You can’t help yourself because I annoy you so much. It’s just such fun.
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You're comparing feelings for a dictator invading another country to the feelings of a bunch of mopes on a college basketball forum...
No, I’m saying that you can have an opinion on something without having to believe it somehow influences the thing you have an opinion on.
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😂😂😂 I just love the things I can make you do. Look at how you’re embarrassing yourself. I’m being ridiculous on purpose. You can’t help yourself because I annoy you so much. It’s just such fun.
Yes ... you were purposely ridiculous when you said Shaka should be fired and that you no longer care about MU hoops! You didn't mean those things at all, even when you repeated them several times. 😂😂😂
Quitter, you don't annoy me or the other Scoopers who read your lies and dopey takes. We pity you for all the time you spend alone in mommy's basement whining about a college basketball team.
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Yes ... you were purposely ridiculous when you said Shaka should be fired and that you no longer care about MU hoops! You didn't mean those things at all, even when you repeated them several times. 😂😂😂
Quitter, you don't annoy me or the other Scoopers who read your lies and dopey takes. We pity you for all the time you spend alone in mommy's basement whining about a college basketball team.
You’re hilarious. The old man doth protest too much. You should learn to relax and enjoy your golden years.
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No, I’m saying that you can have an opinion on something without having to believe it somehow influences the thing you have an opinion on.
What you are missing is that you and Viper seem to have an issue with anyone who doesn't share your viewpoint. I assumed it was because you thought the fans who didn't agree with you were somehow part of the problem. If that's not the case then why does it bother you that some fans are more optimistic than you are?
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You’re hilarious. The old man doth protest too much. You should learn to relax and enjoy your golden years.
Oh, I thoroughly enjoy reading your lies and clueless rants from mommy's basement, Quitter.
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What you are missing is that you and Viper seem to have an issue with anyone who doesn't share your viewpoint. I assumed it was because you thought the fans who didn't agree with you were somehow part of the problem. If that's not the case then why does it bother you that some fans are more optimistic than you are?
It probably shouldn’t bother me. You’re right. It does though because it just seems so many are willing to accept a once excellent program wasting away to irrelevance. I’ve read so many excuses on this board over the past 5 years.
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Oh, I thoroughly enjoy reading your lies and clueless rants from mommy's basement, Quitter.
Now you’re getting boring. Try a new shtick occasionally. 🥱
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Now you’re getting boring. Try a new shtick occasionally. 🥱
Right back at ya, Quitter. 🥱🥱
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Well done, boys.