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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: wadesworld on January 20, 2022, 03:07:07 PM
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Is this statement hyperbole or accurate?
Abilene Christian over Texas is the best thing to happen to Marquette University (not just basketball) in the past decade.
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If basketball is your highest priority for Marquette it is.
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Is this statement hyperbole or accurate?
Abilene Christian over Texas is the best thing to happen to Marquette University (not just basketball) in the past decade.
That includes the 2012 DJO-led E8 S16 run and the 2013 Vander-led S16 run. (edited for correctness)
You may be right in a few years, but I can't agree with you halfway through Shaka's first season. Hyperbole.
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If basketball is your highest priority for Marquette it is.
My argument would be enrollment, applications, national recognition etc. could very well skyrocket with the basketball program being successful vs. plummet with apathy towards the basketball program.
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My freshman year was the year MU won the national championship.
So, the absolute peak of MU basketball history.
How has the university done since then?
But I am sure there is some truth to it.
My wife is a Davidson graduate. I am pretty sure admission applications increased with the Stephen Curry lead NCAA run.
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I believe this will go down as the single greatest hire for the university, not just the basketball program. MU needed a shot in the arm and one has been provided. Granted times are different, but how many on here (especially over 40 crowd) picked MU because we knew the basketball program and that was part of the decision making process. MU needs asses in the classroom more than they do in FF and Shaka very well might help fill up some classrooms.
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MU needed a shot in the arm and one has been provided.
Need three or four, though.
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Maybe this is worth a poll. If attended MU during Al's reign, how many included strong BB program in their higher education institution decision.
Mine was kind of biased from the start, as my father was a MU grad from the dental school and graduate school of dentistry.
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Maybe this is worth a poll. If attended MU during Al's reign, how many included strong BB program in their higher education institution decision.
Mine was kind of biased from the start, as my father was a MU grad from the dental school and graduate school of dentistry.
I started in Fall of '99 (Crean's first year). History professor said something like "Maybe some of you came to Marquette because we have a good basketball team (or had a good basketball team)" and I was thoroughly confused because I had been following them since deciding and saw that they were exceptionally mediocre. I was excited to get season tickets as part of the college experience but I had no sense of MU history at that point and it played no role in my decision.
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That includes the 2012 DJO-led S16 run and the 2013 Vander-led S16 run. (edited for correctness)
You may be right in a few years, but I can't agree with you halfway through Shaka's first season. Hyperbole.
2013 was a E8
Props for saying DJO led 2012 team someone's at home seething you said him not crowder
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Is this statement hyperbole or accurate?
Abilene Christian over Texas is the best thing to happen to Marquette University (not just basketball) in the past decade.
To make sure that all discussion lead back to prior coaches, I would say the leaving/firing of Buzz was the best thing in the past decade.
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Maybe this is worth a poll. If attended MU during Al's reign, how many included strong BB program in their higher education institution decision.
Mine was kind of biased from the start, as my father was a MU grad from the dental school and graduate school of dentistry.
I started in fall 1980, so I grew up during Al's reign (with my dad as a STH). Even though Hank had taken over, hoops definitely played a role in my school decision.
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As that game ended, I phoned my buddy and said “Texas losing this game may be best thing to happen for Marquette basketball.” I did not say “ever” though.
Is this statement hyperbole or accurate?
Abilene Christian over Texas is the best thing to happen to Marquette University (not just basketball) in the past decade.
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Wait. I thought the publication of this was the single greatest thing to happen in the last decade:
https://painttouches.com/2021/03/18/the-case-against-wojo/
In seriousness though, it's (1) too early... and (2) ACU vs. Texas alone doesn't get us Shaka. A series of things were needed. Finding $$s to get rid of Wojo, actually doing it, etc.
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I started in fall 1980, so I grew up during Al's reign (with my dad as a STH). Even though Hank had taken over, hoops definitely played a role in my school decision.
18 year old drinking age swayed me.
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Maybe this is worth a poll. If attended MU during Al's reign, how many included strong BB program in their higher education institution decision.
Mine was kind of biased from the start, as my father was a MU grad from the dental school and graduate school of dentistry.
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My argument would be enrollment, applications, national recognition etc. could very well skyrocket with the basketball program being successful vs. plummet with apathy towards the basketball program.
It definitely helps but not sure basketball success has as much of an impact on applications and enrollment as many people think. I thought it would have had a larger impact than it actually did during the last 3 Buzz years, but MU's geographic footprint hasn't expanded all that much over the years. Aren't 75% of all undergrads from either IL or WI? And of those, I'd guess the vast majority grew up with 100 miles of MKE. That's been the case for as long as I can remember.
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Is this statement hyperbole or accurate?
Abilene Christian over Texas is the best thing to happen to Marquette University (not just basketball) in the past decade.
Right now, slight hyperbole (8 years, not quite a decade).
My hope is that in time it proves to be an understatement.
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I admit things are looking good, but slow your roll. Hyperbole for now.
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My favorite stinger of the ACU is Joe Golding. He was the ACU coach that beat Shaka. Because of that win, Texas let Shaka walk, which led to Texas hiring Chris Beard, which led to Beard hiring UTEP head coach Rodney Terry as an assistant, which led to UTEP hiring ACU coach Joe Golding as their new head coach.
So Golding beating Shaka started a series of dominoes that got Golding himself a new job.
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Freshman during the 1973-74 school year/basketball season -- just in time for the final four & 1st national championship game. Coming from western New York state, I would not have considered or probably even heard of Marquette if not for Al McGuire & basketball. I picked the school because it had the academic program I wanted. But being able to see an exciting top-10, national title contending basketball team led by one of the most famous coaches in the country absolutely helped put Marquette over the few other similar universities I considered.
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Granted times are different, but how many on here (especially over 40 crowd) picked MU because we knew the basketball program and that was part of the decision making process
Age 36. Huge part of the decision making process for me haha.
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Granted times are different, but how many on here (especially over 40 crowd) picked MU because we knew the basketball program and that was part of the decision making process.
Most definitely. Two years later we were in the Final Four, and I thought it would be that way forever.
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Is this statement hyperbole or accurate?
Abilene Christian over Texas is the best thing to happen to Marquette University (not just basketball) in the past decade.
Marcus Howard
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18 year old drinking age swayed me.
Ding ding.
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Maybe this is worth a poll. If attended MU during Al's reign, how many included strong BB program in their higher education institution decision.
Mine was kind of biased from the start, as my father was a MU grad from the dental school and graduate school of dentistry.
Oh, TSmithy wood label 'im old, white, and mentally inept, aina?
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Speaking of hyperbole.....
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If you change it too "in the wojo era" then yes.
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Is this statement hyperbole or accurate?
Abilene Christian over Texas is the best thing to happen to Marquette University (not just basketball) in the past decade.
Interesting thesis. Does this matter that much anymore? It probably does but I wonder if it resonates as much as it once did, at least in the long term
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I believe this will go down as the single greatest hire for the university, not just the basketball program. MU needed a shot in the arm and one has been provided. Granted times are different, but how many on here (especially over 40 crowd) picked MU because we knew the basketball program and that was part of the decision making process. MU needs asses in the classroom more than they do in FF and Shaka very well might help fill up some classrooms.
It was part of the initial decision making process for sure. My dad was a Marquette basketball fan, though not an alum, and I followed them as best I could from Madison. (It helped that the Badgers absolutely sucked.)
But in the end, I picked MU because it was a good mix between the larger, urban school that I was interested in, and the small, liberal arts college education that my parents had. And it was a short bus ride from home.
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18 year old drinking age swayed me.
Changed the year before I got there. Bummer for sure.
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I believe this will go down as the single greatest hire for the university, not just the basketball program. MU needed a shot in the arm and one has been provided. Granted times are different, but how many on here (especially over 40 crowd) picked MU because we knew the basketball program and that was part of the decision making process. MU needs asses in the classroom more than they do in FF and Shaka very well might help fill up some classrooms.
I don't think marquette basketball has a lot to do with student decline. That may have something more to do with the 40k per year, debt for the next 30 years argument. I choose a different route then marquette for undergrad solely for cost.
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I don't think marquette basketball has a lot to do with student decline. That may have something more to do with the 40k per year, debt for the next 30 years argument. I choose a different route then marquette for undergrad solely for cost.
The record for applications came after the 2003 school year. It's the single biggest advertising tool the University has.
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18 year old drinking age swayed me.
That is funny. I was raised in Kenosha. Having now moved away from Wisconsin, it is funny when meeting someone older from Chicago metro and hearing them say. "Yea, Kenosha, that is where we would head to for the weekends to Drink."
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I don't think marquette basketball has a lot to do with student decline. That may have something more to do with the 40k per year, debt for the next 30 years argument. I choose a different route then marquette for undergrad solely for cost.
Reasons for decline in enrollment at Marquette, in my rank order of impact. (Only my opinion)
1. Demographics. There are much less people enrolled in college now than there was pre-pandemic. It is affecting enrollment everywhere.
2. An intentional decision by MU to focus on the higher revenue majors.
3. Cost. This isn't as much of a factor as people think it is.
4. Basketball.
Basketball is great when students are making their initial decisions on where to look because it is a wonderful marketing tool. And it is no doubt helpful. But after that, I don't think it is a great driver of where students ultimately choose to go to school.
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Reasons for decline in enrollment at Marquette, in my rank order of impact. (Only my opinion)
1. Demographics. There are much less people enrolled in college now than there was pre-pandemic. It is affecting enrollment everywhere.
2. An intentional decision by MU to focus on the higher revenue majors.
3. Cost. This isn't as much of a factor as people think it is.
4. Basketball.
Basketball is great when students are making their initial decisions on where to look because it is a wonderful marketing tool. And it is no doubt helpful. But after that, I don't think it is a great driver of where students ultimately choose to go to school.
Don't applications and enrollment drastically increase after a final four? I feel like I read that around my senior year in HS or freshman year of college.
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Oh, TSmithy wood label 'im old, white, and mentally inept, aina?
Only if his posts proved beyond any doubt those things were true.
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Don't applications and enrollment drastically increase after a final four? I feel like I read that around my senior year in HS or freshman year of college.
Right. But what I am saying is that the recent decrease in applications isn't primarily because the basketball team's success hasn't been great. There are much larger factors at work.
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I was a freshman at MUHS in 89-90. That varsity hoops team led by Damon Key was and still is my favorite team of all time. When it came to college I looked at Wisconsin, Dayton & Xavier and basically chose MU because I could never see myself cheering against Damon Key.
Next thing I know I was running down Wisconsin Ave celebrating a S16. It's been a ride ever since.
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I don't think marquette basketball has a lot to do with student decline. That may have something more to do with the 40k per year, debt for the next 30 years argument. I choose a different route then marquette for undergrad solely for cost.
$40K per year, hahaha, more like $55K now.
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The record for applications came after the 2003 school year. It's the single biggest advertising tool the University has.
In 2003 Tom Crean was the single biggest tool the University had.
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Wuz and iz still a tool, aina?
Crean sucks
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Basketball is great when students are making their initial decisions on where to look because it is a wonderful marketing tool. And it is no doubt helpful. But after that, I don't think it is a great driver of where students ultimately choose to go to school.
Brother Fluff:
For the most part, I agree with you. I can't imagine a rational human being choosing a college because they have a great athletic team -- unless of course you are recruited to play there. For 12 to 15 basketball games a year? I'm sure it's out there but I can't believe it's prevalent.
What I think basketball for us does is this:
-- Creates awareness. As you say, it is a marketing tool. People who are thinking college may well say, "hey, maybe I should look at Alabama (for instance). If their football program is that good, maybe their engineering program, or pre-med or Journalism program is that good too..." For the record, Alabama has been successfully throwing a lot of money around the Chicago Suburbs lately! In our case, we probably get access to some students in non-traditional recruiting regions we might otherwise not get.
-- Creates Pride. When we're good, our alumni, students and staff all feel good the university and better identify with it. That, in turn, helps marketing. For example, in all the years my Dad was alive, the only two bumper stickers he ever put on his car were a "Marquette 1970 NIT Champions" sticker and a "Marquette 1977 NCAA Champions" sticker. That was it!
-- Makes Money. The "Time to Rise" campaign and the AMF, GMF and other fund raising efforts over the last 60 years have been wildly aided by strong basketball programs. It's a combination of pride, thoughts about the quality of the school and it encourages folks to give. Many of the buildings constructed on campus in the 1970s and 1980s were built with what I affectionately call McGuire Money
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Wuz and iz still a tool, aina?
Crean sucks
He brought us donuts and hot chocolate when we were camping out overnight for games. Okay guy in my book. Great at turning $50 into a big marketing win for the team.
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Is this statement hyperbole or accurate?
Abilene Christian over Texas is the best thing to happen to Marquette University (not just basketball) in the past decade.
Yes!
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And it was a short bus ride from home.
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That explains a lot. I suspected he rode the short bus. ;D
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I believe this will go down as the single greatest hire for the university, not just the basketball program. MU needed a shot in the arm and one has been provided. Granted times are different, but how many on here (especially over 40 crowd) picked MU because we knew the basketball program and that was part of the decision making process. MU needs asses in the classroom more than they do in FF and Shaka very well might help fill up some classrooms.
Not me. Followed baseball; avid Yankee fan and when the Dodgers and Giants left for West Coast it was a sad day for New York baseball fans. As the NFL started to come into its own in the late 50s early 60s I followed the Giants. As for basketball I followed Bill Bradley at Princeton as it was only a 20 minute drive to Princeton; especially when they played Penn or Rutgers as it was the only thing to do during the winter months.
The Summer before my Senior year in high school my cousin from Indiana who went to Marquette came to visit. She was taking her Junior year to study French at the Sorbonne in France and she was the one who got me interested in MU. As a freshman they offered season tickets (reserved seats) for 8$ for all 16 games at the Arena. As an added incentive that price was locked in for my 4 years at MU if I renewed each year. So I said what the heck and bought two tickets; best purchase I ever made. I became a basketball fan while I was at MU, not before. By my Junior year basketball tickets were hard to come by.
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That is funny. I was raised in Kenosha. Having now moved away from Wisconsin, it is funny when meeting someone older from Chicago metro and hearing them say. "Yea, Kenosha, that is where we would head to for the weekends to Drink."
I grew up in Kenosha as well. It was a great thing for one big reason. There were always more girls than guys in the 18 year old bars (brat Stop, Earl's, Chaparral, etc.). For some reason, more girls came up from illinois that guys.
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The record for applications came after the 2003 school year. It's the single biggest advertising tool the University has.
Exactly right. It may not be the reason kids attend, but it is a big reason why they consider MU. As they say in Hollywood - all publicity is good publicity.
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I was a sports-loving kid from Connecticut. Had Marquette played basketball in the mid-1970s like, say, Northern Illinois did, I'd have never heard of Marquette. I wouldn't have even thought to apply.
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Haha.
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I was a sports-loving kid from Connecticut. Had Marquette played basketball in the mid-1970s like, say, Northern Illinois did, I'd have never heard of Marquette. I wouldn't have even thought to apply.
Ditto, but change to 1980's.
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If I remember correctly, the 02-03 Freshman class was huge. They attributed that to 9/11 and more students wanting to stay closer to the Midwest then going to the East Coast. Not saying the Final 4 had nothing to do with record applications, there were other world factors too.
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Freshman during the 1973-74 school year/basketball season -- just in time for the final four & 1st national championship game. Coming from western New York state, I would not have considered or probably even heard of Marquette if not for Al McGuire & basketball. I picked the school because it had the academic program I wanted. But being able to see an exciting top-10, national title contending basketball team led by one of the most famous coaches in the country absolutely helped put Marquette over the few other similar universities I considered.
Awesome. I enrolled in 2003 and I thought being a freshman for that Final Four run was as good as it gets, but your time was true championship dominance.
Im from the sw suburbs of Chicago and chose Marquette because of the pre dental scholars program. However, when I was deciding between Marquette and University of Illinois I had some close friends that went to Richards HS rave to me about a kid named Dwayne Wade being at MU and how he was the real deal!
My immediate response was “he can’t be as good as Alando Tucker!” Alando went to HS with me at Lockport and we were in some classes together- really great dude and an even better basketball player. As many know he went to Wisconsin and was B10 PoY, had a cup of tea in the NBA and more recently was in the news for making some brutal decisions over in Madison.
Alando was a classic big guard/sf that played the 4/5 at wisconsin and got really good at it, classic B10 beef ball, but he lost a lot of his guard skills because of it. What he wasn’t though was Dwayne Wade.
When I found out that DWade was from Robbins and frequented my parents restaurant in nearby Posen I was thrilled. They were all such nice people, and he had Zaire at the time so it was very easy to pull for his success.
One March later I was a Dwyane Wade and Marquette Basketball fan for life.
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Reasons for decline in enrollment at Marquette, in my rank order of impact. (Only my opinion)
1. Demographics. There are much less people enrolled in college now than there was pre-pandemic. It is affecting enrollment everywhere.
2. An intentional decision by MU to focus on the higher revenue majors.
3. Cost. This isn't as much of a factor as people think it is.
4. Basketball.
Basketball is great when students are making their initial decisions on where to look because it is a wonderful marketing tool. And it is no doubt helpful. But after that, I don't think it is a great driver of where students ultimately choose to go to school.
Fluff,
I agree with all these. With regard to number four, I will be at the game tomorrow with at least three high school seniors that have been accepted at MU. They would all be legacy so much of the marketing of Marquette was already done by the families but each of these girls have gotten into multiple good schools. All are out of state. A good time tomorrow win or lose can help tip the scales for someone who is 18 years old. It’s also an opportunity to show off downtown Milwaukee as well with a palpable pregame energy for a good MU team.
Obviously it’s only one of many reasons you’d pick a school but it’s a great marketing tool. Kids want to see some school spirit. They will get that in abundance tomorrow.
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Awesome. I enrolled in 2003 and I thought being a freshman for that Final Four run was as good as it gets, but your time was true championship dominance.
Im from the sw suburbs of Chicago and chose Marquette because of the pre dental scholars program. However, when I was deciding between Marquette and University of Illinois I had some close friends that went to Richards HS rave to me about a kid named Dwayne Wade being at MU and how he was the real deal!
My immediate response was “he can’t be as good as Alando Tucker!” Alando went to HS with me at Lockport and we were in some classes together- really great dude and an even better basketball player. As many know he went to Wisconsin and was B10 PoY, had a cup of tea in the NBA and more recently was in the news for making some brutal decisions over in Madison.
Alando was a classic big guard/sf that played the 4/5 at wisconsin and got really good at it, classic B10 beef ball, but he lost a lot of his guard skills because of it. What he wasn’t though was Dwayne Wade.
When I found out that DWade was from Robbins and frequented my parents restaurant in nearby Posen I was thrilled. They were all such nice people, and he had Zaire at the time so it was very easy to pull for his success.
One March later I was a Dwayne Wade and Marquette Basketball fan for life.
Great story, Dr. V!
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One March later I was a Dwayne Wade and Marquette Basketball fan for life.
Ummm….
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If I remember correctly, the 02-03 Freshman class was huge. They attributed that to 9/11 and more students wanting to stay closer to the Midwest then going to the East Coast. Not saying the Final 4 had nothing to do with record applications, there were other world factors too.
Wouldn't that also mean that kids from outside the Midwest would also stay at home, making it essentially a wash?
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Reasons for decline in enrollment at Marquette, in my rank order of impact. (Only my opinion)
1. Demographics. There are much less people enrolled in college now than there was pre-pandemic. It is affecting enrollment everywhere.
2. An intentional decision by MU to focus on the higher revenue majors.
3. Cost. This isn't as much of a factor as people think it is.
4. Basketball.
Basketball is great when students are making their initial decisions on where to look because it is a wonderful marketing tool. And it is no doubt helpful. But after that, I don't think it is a great driver of where students ultimately choose to go to school.
What are Marquette's higher revenue majors currently?
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I grew up in Kenosha as well. It was a great thing for one big reason. There were always more girls than guys in the 18 year old bars (brat Stop, Earl's, Chaparral, etc.). For some reason, more girls came up from illinois that guys.
Occasionally head towards the I. Usual hangout was Dannys across from AMC.
Not sure what Dannys has become since the 40+ years since being there.
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What are Marquette's higher revenue majors currently?
I have that question as well. I would think that Lib Arts would be the highest revenue majors given there are no expensive labs, supply of professors far outstripping the demand, etc, yet I see no focused effort to recruit those students.
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I have that question as well. I would think that Lib Arts would be the highest revenue majors given there are no expensive labs, supply of professors far outstripping the demand, etc, yet I see no focused effort to recruit those students.
I think that would make them the highest margin majors.
With the exception of a few programs, revenue for each major is about the same.
Back to Coach Shaka. The big thing about Coach Shaka is if he is successful, adapts to the game as it evolves and stays with us for the next 20 to 30 years, there is a decent chance we could be a blue blood again. That, in turn, will affect both prestige and contributions. And, eventually make a lot of us old timers begin to move-on from Al McGuire.
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Occasionally head towards the I. Usual hangout was Dannys across from AMC.
Not sure what Dannys has become since the 40+ years since being there.
There were a couple years back in the late 70s where I hung out there a lot. Had a 2nd shift job at the time and we'd head over there after work.
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I think that would make them the highest margin majors.
With the exception of a few programs, revenue for each major is about the same.
I was assuming margin was what Fluffy meant. Most people know that gross revenue per undergrad student is about the same across all majors.
Perhaps the university was thinking long term and guessing that business, engineering, and biological science (what we used to call pre-med) majors will end up being wealthier and therefore, more generous donors?
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I was assuming margin was what Fluffy meant. Most people know that gross revenue per undergrad student is about the same across all majors.
Perhaps the university was thinking long term and guessing that business, engineering, and biological science (what we used to call pre-med) majors will end up being wealthier and therefore, more generous donors?
My guess, and this is only a guess, that engineering, business and perhaps nursing are higher margin majors from a net tuition perspective. Sure it may cost less to educate a liberal arts major, but my guess is that price point to get those majors here is lower than they would be for majors where Marquette has a clear record of placing graduates in high paying positions.
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My guess, and this is only a guess, that engineering, business and perhaps nursing are higher margin majors from a net tuition perspective. Sure it may cost less to educate a liberal arts major, but my guess is that price point to get those majors here is lower than they would be for majors where Marquette has a clear record of placing graduates in high paying positions.
I still don't understand why that would cause a decrease in enrollment per your original post.
BTW, thanks to the hard work of the past two deans, the College of Nursing has doubled enrollment in the last decade, and it's still the toughest undergrad program to get accepted into.
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I was assuming margin was what Fluffy meant. Most people know that gross revenue per undergrad student is about the same across all majors.
Perhaps the university was thinking long term and guessing that business, engineering, and biological science (what we used to call pre-med) majors will end up being wealthier and therefore, more generous donors?
They were considered Liberal Arts back in my day; though I believe MU distinguished the science major with a BS and the non-science major with a BA.
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They were considered Liberal Arts back in my day; though I believe MU distinguished the science major with a BS and the non-science major with a BA.
This major is housed in the College of Health Sciences now. Its majors typically go to Medical or Physician Assistant school.
It's typically the most popular major at MU.
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I still don't understand why that would cause a decrease in enrollment per your original post.
BTW, thanks to the hard work of the past two deans, the College of Nursing has doubled enrollment in the last decade, and it's still the toughest undergrad program to get accepted into.
My guess is that Marquette feels it will be better off, considering long-term demographics, if they have less enrollment but higher net revenue per student. So they aren't going to chase enrollment by increasing financial aid offers. And that focusing on STEM plus business is the best way to get to that per student revenue goal.
If that is indeed their thinking, they would hardly be alone in that regard. Might not be a bad strategy.
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Perhaps the university was thinking long term and guessing that business, engineering, and biological science (what we used to call pre-med) majors will end up being wealthier and therefore, more generous donors?
Perhaps, but we Journalism majors have done our part!
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Ummm….
Wow did it twice. Brain meltdown on full effect.
Need. Nap. Bad.
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My guess is that Marquette feels it will be better off, considering long-term demographics, if they have less enrollment but higher net revenue per student. So they aren't going to chase enrollment by increasing financial aid offers. And that focusing on STEM plus business is the best way to get to that per student revenue goal.
If that is indeed their thinking, they would hardly be alone in that regard. Might not be a bad strategy.
Actually, the last time I heard the director of admissions speak, the goal was to increase enrollment over the next decade. There was a PowerPoint graph and everything.
That was probably 3 years ago, but I promise you that the current decrease was not intended or welcomed.
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I still don't understand why that would cause a decrease in enrollment per your original post.
BTW, thanks to the hard work of the past two deans, the College of Nursing has doubled enrollment in the last decade, and it's still the toughest undergrad program to get accepted into.
Isn't the PT program the hardest to get into? It's something like top 5 in the country with only 70 spots a certain amount reserved for transfer students.
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They were considered Liberal Arts back in my day; though I believe MU distinguished the science major with a BS and the non-science major with a BA.
For the record my Biz Ad degree is a BS, not a BA. Not sure if that's what you were referring to though.
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I have that question as well. I would think that Lib Arts would be the highest revenue majors given there are no expensive labs, supply of professors far outstripping the demand, etc, yet I see no focused effort to recruit those students.
Those factors affect cost, not revenue. The tuition is $44,970 regardless of major.
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I have that question as well. I would think that Lib Arts would be the highest revenue majors given there are no expensive labs, supply of professors far outstripping the demand, etc, yet I see no focused effort to recruit those students.
Its because they can't make donations.
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Highest revenue is the major that draws the most students. It is about numbers and the demand for liberal arts just isn't there like nursing for example.
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Isn't the PT program the hardest to get into? It's something like top 5 in the country with only 70 spots a certain amount reserved for transfer students.
Could be, but since there's no bachelor's degree, I don't believe that is considered to be an undergraduate program.
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Those factors affect cost, not revenue. The tuition is $44,970 regardless of major.
Again, I assumed Fluffy was talking about net revenue, which I believe he affirmed in a later post.
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Again, I assumed Fluffy was talking about net revenue, which I believe he affirmed in a later post.
Yes. My guess is that engineering and business majors pay more than liberal arts majors do.
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Yes. My guess is that engineering and business majors pay more than liberal arts majors do.
They pay a little more (too lazy to look it up) but not enough that their margin is more.
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They pay a little more (too lazy to look it up) but not enough that their margin is more.
Depends on how you allocate the costs. My guess is the marginal engineering student is more profitable than the marginal liberal arts student since most of the costs are fixed.
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Depends on how you allocate the costs. My guess is the marginal engineering student is more profitable than the marginal liberal arts student since most of the costs are fixed.
Not sure that's true, but agree to disagree.