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Title: Our Bigs vs Nova
Post by: MuggsyB on January 17, 2022, 09:08:58 PM
How would you use them Wed night?  Nova is really small.  I'm wondering if Oso can actually exploit them down low or at least force a double?  Or do people expect we'll play a lot of O-Max or Lewis at the 5?   Nova seems to be a bit of a Jekyll and Hyde ball club.  I do think JLew has the tools to exploit then if he's patient. 
Title: Re: Our Bigs vs Nova
Post by: BCHoopster on January 17, 2022, 09:19:04 PM
Dixon is as wide as both centers, not sure how to stop Dixon
Title: Re: Our Bigs vs Nova
Post by: tower912 on January 17, 2022, 09:25:00 PM
More attacking the basket without fear of a shot blocker.  MU will be switching 1-4 defensively and hedging, not switching, on the high pick and roll.   No more Theo guarding Gillespie while Carton guards the post.    Jay loves to create mismatches with all of their action.   Probably spread out and attack TKo, Kam, and Stevie off the dribble. 
Title: Re: Our Bigs vs Nova
Post by: MuggsyB on January 17, 2022, 09:26:18 PM
Dixon is as wide as both centers, not sure how to stop Dixon

He's heavier than I realized.  Samuels has played out of his ass vs us.  Hopefully we find a way to put together a complete game. 
Title: Re: Our Bigs vs Nova
Post by: BCHoopster on January 17, 2022, 09:38:46 PM
Key is if Morsell can guard Gillespie, he is the key to there team.  No way that Kolek is strong enough, Maybe Prosper can play him as well
Title: Re: Our Bigs vs Nova
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on January 17, 2022, 10:04:00 PM
Nova's bigs are short, not small. Oso and Kur aren't exploiting anyone down there on their own. If they do, it is because Kolek is moving the defense and getting them the ball where they can score.

However, I do think they can do some exploiting on the defensive end.
Title: Re: Our Bigs vs Nova
Post by: MU82 on January 17, 2022, 10:07:41 PM
More attacking the basket without fear of a shot blocker.  MU will be switching 1-4 defensively and hedging, not switching, on the high pick and roll.   No more Theo guarding Gillespie while Carton guards the post.    Jay loves to create mismatches with all of their action.   Probably spread out and attack TKo, Kam, and Stevie off the dribble.

I've noticed the last couple of games that Kolek, Elliott and Jones have ended up on bigs after switches but it hasn't really hurt us. I don't like any of those guys' chances against Samuels, Slater or Dixon. And even Moore and Gillespie are good in the post. It'll be interesting to see how it all unfolds.

They have to defend us, too. I hope we're hitting some 3s.
Title: Re: Our Bigs vs Nova
Post by: GoldenEagles03 on January 17, 2022, 10:46:59 PM
How would you use them Wed night?  Nova is really small.  I'm wondering if Oso can actually exploit them down low or at least force a double?  Or do people expect we'll play a lot of O-Max or Lewis at the 5?   Nova seems to be a bit of a Jekyll and Hyde ball club.  I do think JLew has the tools to exploit then if he's patient.

I would use them exactly how they have been using them.  Screen and rolls. Dives to the rim. Shot blocking safety nets. Use Oso in some dribble action from the elbow. Don't change anything just because we are set to play the ALMIGHTY NOVA. Similar to how last week when they took us in the huddle and Shaka was saying "get the shots we want", I think that applies to the game as a whole against Nova.

Play the game we want.
Title: Re: Our Bigs vs Nova
Post by: GoldenEagles03 on January 17, 2022, 11:15:19 PM
Key is if Morsell can guard Gillespie, he is the key to there team.  No way that Kolek is strong enough, Maybe Prosper can play him as well

I actually like how we matchup with Nova.  Kolek will likely have to guard Gillespie because I don't think he's capable of preventing Moore from getting to the rim, but I think Kolek can cause equal problems for Gillespie on the other end with his quickness. Gillespie isn't quick defensively.

Marquette usually doesn't have a problem scoring on Nova, they just rarely defend them well. I also really like the Marquette playstyle in this matchup, because although Nova isn't afraid to run up and down, they are pretty thin in their depth.  Our size and length could cause issues for them.

I really think Justin is a matchup nightmare for them if he plays how he should.  If he's strong on the elbow and the block he will be incredibly difficult for them to guard.  DON'T SETTLE FOR 3S JUSTIN! GO DOMINATE DOWN LOW BIG FELLA! I think if MU sticks to their game we might look at the clock late in the game and realize the win is right there for the taking.
Title: Re: Our Bigs vs Nova
Post by: MUfan12 on January 17, 2022, 11:45:18 PM
They're so well-coached, especially offensively. They feast on over-zealous closeouts/jumps into the passing lanes. They'll attack it, jump stop, kick out, and now the ball is moving and you're scrambling. Love watching it when it's not against MU.

I don't feel good about this one. They're a really mature team. They won't get rattled even if MU turns them over at times. But that's the beauty of that Hall win, no pressure at all, just go hoop and see what happens.
Title: Re: Our Bigs vs Nova
Post by: BCHoopster on January 18, 2022, 12:01:14 AM
Play to have fun, your expected to lose, but you go in there and play like the last 4 games, not how you played against UCLA, frighten kids then.  This is a real test for Shaka as well, MU has experience, they have played in tough venues, play the system, take good shots. And guard Gillespie!
Title: Re: Our Bigs vs Nova
Post by: Jay Bee on January 18, 2022, 07:57:56 AM
Pray
Title: Re: Our Bigs vs Nova
Post by: Scoop Snoop on January 18, 2022, 08:15:02 AM
I actually like how we matchup with Nova.  Kolek will likely have to guard Gillespie because I don't think he's capable of preventing Moore from getting to the rim, but I think Kolek can cause equal problems for Gillespie on the other end with his quickness. Gillespie isn't quick defensively.

Marquette usually doesn't have a problem scoring on Nova, they just rarely defend them well. I also really like the Marquette playstyle in this matchup, because although Nova isn't afraid to run up and down, they are pretty thin in their depth.  Our size and length could cause issues for them.

I really think Justin is a matchup nightmare for them if he plays how he should.  If he's strong on the elbow and the block he will be incredibly difficult for them to guard.  DON'T SETTLE FOR 3S JUSTIN! GO DOMINATE DOWN LOW BIG FELLA! I think if MU sticks to their game we might look at the clock late in the game and realize the win is right there for the taking.

Lots of good stuff here 03. Love your optimism but I confess I do not share it. I zeroed in on the lack of depth you mentioned as I think it's our best chance of pulling off a huge upset. Go down low and saddle them with fouls- especially Gillespie. Your previous post about not playing differently just because we are playing "Almighty Nova" is spot on. That includes some three pointers. Hope they are going down like they did vs.SH. That saved our butts as they killed us on rebounds. Although I am not optimistic, let's all remember that the game is yet to be played. A win is certainly not impossible. I continue to think that we have a solid chance to beat them in Milwaukee and that this game will, at the very least, give our guys an opportunity to learn how to play "Almighty Nova".
Title: Re: Our Bigs vs Nova
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on January 18, 2022, 08:36:48 AM
I wouldn't assume that Nova isn't deep. Some of the guys who barely play are good players. That's what happens when you are that good.

The exception is PG. If Gillespie isn't on the floor, they tend to be in trouble.
Title: Re: Our Bigs vs Nova
Post by: GoldenEagles03 on January 18, 2022, 08:50:43 AM
Lots of good stuff here 03. Love your optimism but I confess I do not share it. I zeroed in on the lack of depth you mentioned as I think it's our best chance of pulling off a huge upset. Go down low and saddle them with fouls- especially Gillespie. Your previous post about not playing differently just because we are playing "Almighty Nova" is spot on. That includes some three pointers. Hope they are going down like they did vs.SH. That saved our butts as they killed us on rebounds. Although I am not optimistic, let's all remember that the game is yet to be played. A win is certainly not impossible. I continue to think that we have a solid chance to beat them in Milwaukee and that this game will, at the very least, give our guys an opportunity to learn how to play "Almighty Nova".

I think it will all come down to how they defend the jumpshot. I really think Kur will be a challenge for Nova trying to score down low. Nova will gladly make it a jump shooting game if Marquette is struggling to defend them.
Title: Re: Our Bigs vs Nova
Post by: brewcity77 on January 18, 2022, 09:25:02 AM
My worry with 'Nova is that they have done really well against teams that play at a tempo that would speed them up. Tennessee, Xavier, Seton Hall, all of them play pretty quick offense. In addition, we've had the most trouble with teams that are a bit more deliberate and take care of the ball, like the Bonnies and Wisconsin. Maybe we get them in the game back here, especially as we will have seen them up close, but against an elite team tailor made to handle our kind of pressure, especially at the Fin, I don't see it.


I went back and looked at their Big East record at their two home venues since the league reformation. If kenpom is right, here they are:

Finneran Pavilion: 44-1 (0.978 WP)
Wells-Fargo Center: 25-6 (0.806 WP)

They haven't lost at the Fin in Big East play in nearly 5 years (February 22, 2017) and it's their only loss there since 2014. If this were at WFC, maybe we'd have a chance, but that place has been a house of horrors for us and we haven't won any "at Villanova" game since 2012, which was Jay's only losing season there since 2003, and we've only won at Villanova twice since we joined the Big East (Crean did it in 2008, Buzz in 2012). This is just a nightmare fixture for us.
Title: Re: Our Bigs vs Nova
Post by: MU82 on January 18, 2022, 09:37:13 AM
I would use them exactly how they have been using them.  Screen and rolls. Dives to the rim. Shot blocking safety nets. Use Oso in some dribble action from the elbow. Don't change anything just because we are set to play the ALMIGHTY NOVA. Similar to how last week when they took us in the huddle and Shaka was saying "get the shots we want", I think that applies to the game as a whole against Nova.

Play the game we want.

Great post. If we lose, let's not lose because we got rattled and tried to play Nova's game. If they're simply better, so be it.

Finneran Pavilion: 44-1

(https://pics.me.me/thumb_so-youre-telling-me-theresa-chance-quickmeme-com-dumb-and-dumber-50286072.png)

Title: Re: Our Bigs vs Nova
Post by: GurneeHitchkr on January 18, 2022, 10:13:49 AM
What am I missing?  I think Nova's bigs ARE big.  Not tall, but very wide and very strong.  We won't be pushing them around in the paint.  But we can go over them if we can get close enough to the rim. 
Title: Re: Our Bigs vs Nova
Post by: brewcity77 on January 18, 2022, 10:16:02 AM
(https://pics.me.me/thumb_so-youre-telling-me-theresa-chance-quickmeme-com-dumb-and-dumber-50286072.png)

That Butler game was wild because 'Nova led by 7 with ten minutes to play and really hadn't been challenged much. Then Kelan Martin went off, Butler went on an 18-0 run, and it was pretty much over. I suppose the formula, if there is one for something that has happened once in 9 years, is stay relatively close then deliver a knockout punch too late to come back from.
Title: Re: Our Bigs vs Nova
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on January 18, 2022, 05:19:44 PM
Looks like the consensus is Nova -12
Title: Re: Our Bigs vs Nova
Post by: DoctorV on January 18, 2022, 06:07:26 PM
They're so well-coached, especially offensively. They feast on over-zealous closeouts/jumps into the passing lanes. They'll attack it, jump stop, kick out, and now the ball is moving and you're scrambling. Love watching it when it's not against MU.

I don't feel good about this one. They're a really mature team. They won't get rattled even if MU turns them over at times. But that's the beauty of that Hall win, no pressure at all, just go hoop and see what happens.

I’m no coach, but I have stayed at a Holiday Inn.

That first paragraph kind of reminded me of what MU has done offensively in the past several games, more-so during over zealous defending in the P&R.

I keep wondering when an opposing team will just stay at home and have their big just quickly drop into the lane and let their guard go behind the screen and just give Kolek the open 3 if he wants it… seems like the best way to defend Marquette in that pick and roll, just drop back and pack the lane, dare TyKo to shoot a J.

Im not sure if Nova plays a zone very often, but I am sure that Jay Wright is a genius game planner.
I wouldn’t be surprised if one way or another he coached up his team to not get beat by the pick and roll and forced MU into taking a lot of jumpers.

Title: Re: Our Bigs vs Nova
Post by: MU82 on January 18, 2022, 11:35:15 PM
Looks like the consensus is Nova -12

Wow. I mean, we aren't great, but that's a lot of points to give to a pretty good team that's on a 4-game winning streak including 2 wins over top-20 teams.
Title: Re: Our Bigs vs Nova
Post by: panda on January 19, 2022, 06:44:08 AM
Wow. I mean, we aren't great, but that's a lot of points to give to a pretty good team that's on a 4-game winning streak including 2 wins over top-20 teams.

They’ve blown out butler, Xavier and Creighton at home so far. I hope it’ll be close but this is the first game we’ve played this year that I’m not overly optimistic going into.
Title: Re: Our Bigs vs Nova
Post by: tower912 on January 19, 2022, 06:52:23 AM
Nova is not small.   They are experienced and well coached.   Yes, getting Gillespie in foul trouble would help.    You don't out execute them.   You know what they are going to do.   To beat them, you have to force them into a poor shooting night and overwhelm them physically.  It is difficult to speed them up or turn them over.

Regardless of outcome, a good measuring stick and learning opportunity for our young guys.
Title: Re: Our Bigs vs Nova
Post by: MuggsyB on January 19, 2022, 07:27:23 AM
-12 is a tremendous level of disrespect.  We can beat these guys, it's about whether we can put it all together?  Are we prepared defensively to guard for entire possessions?  Will we battle relentlessly for every loose ball?  Will we attack with unrelenting force/power/intelligence?  WIll we move the rock, stop overdribbling, and splash nets?  We have the personnel to win this game despite it being a difficult challenge.

Now, Nova is capable of wreaking havoc with the triple.  They're incredibly well coached, can get hot and in a rhythm, and obviously have outstanding and experienced guards. They very rarely beat themselves and their A game may just be too for our young guns.  Nevertheless, when it is all said and done, we have seen that this Warrior group has the ability to put together prime time barrages.

Obviously, we have to be able to handle the road pressure in Philly and Nova is a strong favorite. But if we play near how we have the last few contests I expect a pretty tight game.  Nova is absolutely capable of brickng like crazy, I'm glad they bludgeoned Butler.  Let's go out there with sky-high confidence, attack with zero hesitation, increase the tenacity all over the floor, and you never know what can happen.
Title: Re: Our Bigs vs Nova
Post by: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on January 19, 2022, 07:35:05 AM
We definitely need to haul out the larger trebuchet for this one.
Title: Re: Our Bigs vs Nova
Post by: TedBaxter on January 19, 2022, 07:42:46 AM
My first worry is Nova's ability to push up defensively on the guards.  They can take away the offense, so that's my first worry.  The second is three point shooting and then cuttting to the basket if the three point shots are taken away.  They can grind you offensively and defensively. 

Why do we always seem to play them on-campus?

Title: Re: Our Bigs vs Nova
Post by: swoopem on January 19, 2022, 07:43:50 AM
My first worry is Nova's ability to push up defensively on the guards.  They can take away the offense, so that's my first worry.  The second is three point shooting and then cuttting to the basket if the three point shots are taken away.  They can grind you offensively and defensively. 

Why do we always seem to play them on-campus?

The Wojo effect. They don’t respect us

Same with the TV scheduling for this year. That’ll change next year
Title: Re: Our Bigs vs Nova
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on January 19, 2022, 08:33:20 AM
If we pay our best game of the season we could still lose by double digits if Nova plays near their ceiling. They are very good.  It will take a great game by us and of game by them to bring home a victory
Title: Re: Our Bigs vs Nova
Post by: MuggsyB on January 19, 2022, 08:40:30 AM
If we pay our best game of the season we could still lose by double digits if Nova plays near their ceiling. They are very good.  It will take a great game by us and of game by them to bring home a victory

They didn't look invincible when a mediocre Creighton team shellacked them.  The bottom line is they're good but beatable.
Title: Re: Our Bigs vs Nova
Post by: DoctorV on January 19, 2022, 08:45:01 AM
There is data here that I haven’t looked up, but I feel like Marquette typically plays Villanova pretty well in the recent past.
Sure there have been a few blowouts, but overall I feel like MU has given coach Wright a decent challenge going back to the Buzz years and through the Wojo era.

Steve couldn’t put it all together but he did have some nice wins over wisconsin and Villanova. He was also very close to putting it all together the year of Hausergate but here we are. Don’t forget, Marquette was VERY close to winning conference over Villanova that season before it all fell apart. I believe we were up at Nova with a chance to clinch at the under 4 timeout.

Now it’s the Shaka era, and we are all glad it’s here. Hopefully coach Wright still finds a handful from Marquette and starts to see a perennial challenger going forward.

I know many have said that Villanova does not get sped up, but I’d like to see Shaka at least try tonight.
I’ve been an advocate of MU taking their time and playing a more controlled game, and I think we’ve seen less overall defensive pressure recently compared to earlier in the season, but tonight I think MU needs to try to slop it up and find a way to make Villanova uncomfortable.

Press early, fly around often and use your full complement of athletes and see if you can get Villanova frazzled leading to some easy baskets the other way, rather than making it a half court game.
Accomplish that and keep it close late into the second half and anythings possible

Sometimes it’s nice for a young team on a decent run to play a game on house money.
Title: Re: Our Bigs vs Nova
Post by: panda on January 19, 2022, 08:54:22 AM
There is data here that I haven’t looked up, but I feel like Marquette typically plays Villanova pretty well in the recent past.
Sure there have been a few blowouts, but overall I feel like MU has given coach Wright a decent challenge going back to the Buzz years and through the Wojo era.

Steve couldn’t put it all together but he did have some nice wins over wisconsin and Villanova. He was also very close to putting it all together the year of Hausergate but here we are. Don’t forget, Marquette was VERY close to winning conference over Villanova that season before it all fell apart. I believe we were up at Nova with a chance to clinch at the under 4 timeout.

Now it’s the Shaka era, and we are all glad it’s here. Hopefully coach Wright still finds a handful from Marquette and starts to see a perennial challenger going forward.

I know many have said that Villanova does not get sped up, but I’d like to see Shaka at least try tonight.
I’ve been an advocate of MU taking their time and playing a more controlled game, and I think we’ve seen less overall defensive pressure recently compared to earlier in the season, but tonight I think MU needs to try to slop it up and find a way to make Villanova uncomfortable.

Press early, fly around often and use your full complement of athletes and see if you can get Villanova frazzled leading to some easy baskets the other way, rather than making it a half court game.
Accomplish that and keep it close late into the second half and anythings possible

Sometimes it’s nice for a young team on a decent run to play a game on house money.

With doing zero googling, I don’t think we’ve best nova on the road at their on campus arena since Buzz.
Title: Re: Our Bigs vs Nova
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on January 19, 2022, 08:55:13 AM
If we pay our best game of the season we could still lose by double digits if Nova plays near their ceiling. They are very good.  It will take a great game by us and of game by them to bring home a victory

Agree. It's the only way we'll win.
Title: Re: Our Bigs vs Nova
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on January 19, 2022, 08:56:39 AM
There is data here that I haven’t looked up, but I feel like Marquette typically plays Villanova pretty well in the recent past.
Sure there have been a few blowouts, but overall I feel like MU has given coach Wright a decent challenge going back to the Buzz years and through the Wojo era.

Steve couldn’t put it all together but he did have some nice wins over wisconsin and Villanova. He was also very close to putting it all together the year of Hausergate but here we are. Don’t forget, Marquette was VERY close to winning conference over Villanova that season before it all fell apart. I believe we were up at Nova with a chance to clinch at the under 4 timeout.

Now it’s the Shaka era, and we are all glad it’s here. Hopefully coach Wright still finds a handful from Marquette and starts to see a perennial challenger going forward.

I know many have said that Villanova does not get sped up, but I’d like to see Shaka at least try tonight.
I’ve been an advocate of MU taking their time and playing a more controlled game, and I think we’ve seen less overall defensive pressure recently compared to earlier in the season, but tonight I think MU needs to try to slop it up and find a way to make Villanova uncomfortable.

Press early, fly around often and use your full complement of athletes and see if you can get Villanova frazzled leading to some easy baskets the other way, rather than making it a half court game.
Accomplish that and keep it close late into the second half and anythings possible

Sometimes it’s nice for a young team on a decent run to play a game on house money.

Yeah we’ve won a few at home vs Nova.

Outside the Markus and Hauser bro season I think just about every game at nova for the last decade has been a bloodbath.

Didn’t they beat us by like 35 last year? Haha
Title: Re: Our Bigs vs Nova
Post by: Galway Eagle on January 19, 2022, 09:03:42 AM
Yeah we’ve won a few at home vs Nova.

Outside the Markus and Hauser bro season I think just about every game at nova for the last decade has been a bloodbath.

Didn’t they beat us by like 35 last year? Haha

I was going to agree because of last years decimation but we actually played them well markus' senior year winning one and losing by 1pt, split the Markus and Sam year winning one & losing by 6, NIT year we lost by 10 & 3 (and a blowout in the BE tournament), 2017 we split with them losing by 12.

Honestly that's better than I was expecting during  Wojo's "good stretch" Markus' tenure
Title: Re: Our Bigs vs Nova
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on January 19, 2022, 09:06:34 AM
They didn't look invincible when a mediocre Creighton team shellacked them.  The bottom line is they're good but beatable.

I didn't say they were invincible. I said they are very good. And the reality is if we play our best of the game of the season and they play their best game of the season, they would beat us by double digits. If we both played our worst game of the season, they would beat us by double digits. We need a combination of us playing closer to our ceiling and them playing close to their floor to pull of the win. Doable. Unlikely, but doable.
Title: Re: Our Bigs vs Nova
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on January 19, 2022, 09:07:20 AM
I was going to agree because of last years decimation but we actually played them well markus' senior year winning one and losing by 1pt, split the Markus and Sam year winning one & losing by 6, NIT year we lost by 10 & 3 (and a blowout in the BE tournament), 2017 we split with them losing by 12.

Honestly that's better than I was expecting during  Wojo's "good stretch" Markus' tenure

Yeah I actually totally forgot about the Markus senior year game. I think it was a 3 at buzzer to make it 1. But yeah forgot that one was actually really competitive.

Along with the Hauser game where we melted down late

But other than that off memory I can believe a game at Nova in the final 12 that we were really in it.

At home, different story.
Title: Re: Our Bigs vs Nova
Post by: Scoop Snoop on January 19, 2022, 09:20:57 AM

 slop it up and find a way to make Villanova uncomfortable.

Press early, fly around often and use your full complement of athletes and see if you can get Villanova frazzled leading to some easy baskets the other way, rather than making it a half court game.

I think this is our best chance to pull off an upset. Gillespie looked rattled in Nova's losses.
Title: Re: Our Bigs vs Nova
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on January 19, 2022, 09:25:08 AM
With doing zero googling, I don’t think we’ve best nova on the road at their on campus arena since Buzz.

Buzz never won at their on campus arena. He was 4-8 against Nova. Of the 4 wins, 2 came at home, 1 in the BET, and 1 at Wells Fargo. Crean never won there either. I'm not sure we've ever won at the Pavilion, if we did, it was pre-TC.
Title: Re: Our Bigs vs Nova
Post by: MUfan12 on January 19, 2022, 09:46:59 AM
I didn't say they were invincible. I said they are very good. And the reality is if we play our best of the game of the season and they play their best game of the season, they would beat us by double digits. If we both played our worst game of the season, they would beat us by double digits. We need a combination of us playing closer to our ceiling and them playing close to their floor to pull of the win. Doable. Unlikely, but doable.

Yep. I think MU gets smacked tonight. And that's totally fine. Part of the learning curve.
Title: Re: Our Bigs vs Nova
Post by: DoctorV on January 19, 2022, 09:53:23 AM
I was going to agree because of last years decimation but we actually played them well markus' senior year winning one and losing by 1pt, split the Markus and Sam year winning one & losing by 6, NIT year we lost by 10 & 3 (and a blowout in the BE tournament), 2017 we split with them losing by 12.

Honestly that's better than I was expecting during  Wojo's "good stretch" Markus' tenure

Thanks for looking it up.
I’d consider this pretty good versus Nova.
Buzzes 4-8 is also pretty decent.

So yea I’m sure Jay Wright doesn’t lose any sleep over it but I’d say he doesn’t love facing Marquette.

I remember a few years back thinking to myself during one of our games that he just doesn’t look as comfortable on the sidelines versus MU as I’ve seen him in other BE games. Maybe it was the season Marquette was threatening to win a conference title.

Whatever it is, hopefully it becomes a thing versus Shaka too.
It starts tonight.

This is the program Marquette aspires to become under coach Smart. It would be an absolute dream to even make one FF or win one National Championship.
Gotta respect the heck out of Jay Wright and Villanova, but you also have to want to be them and beat them very badly.
Title: Re: Our Bigs vs Nova
Post by: LAZER on January 19, 2022, 09:56:09 AM
MU was +11 at Nova last year.  I'm having a hard time remembering the last time MU was this big a dog in BE play.
Title: Re: Our Bigs vs Nova
Post by: DoctorV on January 19, 2022, 10:00:15 AM
MU was +11 at Nova last year.  I'm having a hard time remembering the last time MU was this big a dog in BE play.

+10,5 at X a month ago. Don’t remember anything bigger than that
Title: Re: Our Bigs vs Nova
Post by: LAZER on January 19, 2022, 10:11:37 AM
+10,5 at X a month ago. Don’t remember anything bigger than that
Looks like it's moved to 13.5
Title: Re: Our Bigs vs Nova
Post by: Galway Eagle on January 19, 2022, 10:14:34 AM
Thanks for looking it up.
I’d consider this pretty good versus Nova.
Buzzes 4-8 is also pretty decent.

So yea I’m sure Jay Wright doesn’t lose any sleep over it but I’d say he doesn’t love facing Marquette.

I remember a few years back thinking to myself during one of our games that he just doesn’t look as comfortable on the sidelines versus MU as I’ve seen him in other BE games. Maybe it was the season Marquette was threatening to win a conference title.

Whatever it is, hopefully it becomes a thing versus Shaka too.
It starts tonight.

This is the program Marquette aspires to become under coach Smart. It would be an absolute dream to even make one FF or win one National Championship.
Gotta respect the heck out of Jay Wright and Villanova, but you also have to want to be them and beat them very badly.

It should be worth noting that after Buzz's first two years the next three  were the worst stretch of basketball Nova played under Jay
2011: 9 seed
2012: Miss
2013: 9 seed

During that stretch Buzz was 2-2 against Nova which is actually pretty depressing consider how good we were two of those years.

If you want the total breakdown here:

A 2006: #4 Villanova 72, MU 67
H 2007: MU 80 Villanova 67
A 2008: MU 85, Villanova 75
H 2009: MU 79, #15 Villanova 72
A 2009: #13 Villanova 102, #10 MU 84
N 2009: #10 Villanova 76, #21 MU 75
H 2010: #8 Villanova 74, MU 72
A 2010: #6 Villanova 78, MU 76
N 2010: MU 80, #10 Villanova 76
A 2011: #12 Villanova 75, MU 70
H 2012: #14 MU 81, Villanova 77
A 2012: #17 MU 82, Villanova 78
A 2013: Villanova 60, #17 MU 56
H 2014: #4 Villanova 94, MU 85 (OT)
A 2014: #8 Villanova 73, MU 56
A 2015: #7 Villanova 70, MU 52
H 2015 #6 Villanova 87, MU 76
N 2015: #4 Villanova 84, MU 49
A 2016: #6 Villanova 83, MU 68
H 2016: #1 Villanova 89, MU 79
A 2017: #1 Villanova 93, MU 81
H 2017: MU 74, #1 Villanova 72
A 2018: #3 Villanova 100, MU 90
H 2018: #1 Villanova 85, MU 82
N 2018: #2 Villanova 94, MU 70
H 2019: #10 MU 66, #14 Villanova 65
A 2019: Villanova 67, #10 MU 61
H 2020: MU 71, #10 Villanova 60
A 2020: #15 Villanova 72, MU 71
H 2020: #5 Villanova 85, MU 68
A 2021: #5 Villanova 96, MU 64
Title: Re: Our Bigs vs Nova
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on January 19, 2022, 10:20:42 AM
MU is 12-27 versus Villanova as a program. MU 0-16 on the Nova campus. 3-5 at neutral sites including Wells-Fargo, but 1-3 there since joining the Big East.

So, very UWM-esque on the road.
Title: Re: Our Bigs vs Nova
Post by: JakeBarnes on January 19, 2022, 10:57:14 AM
MU is 12-27 versus Villanova as a program. MU 0-16 on the Nova campus. 3-5 at neutral sites including Wells-Fargo, but 1-3 there since joining the Big East.

So, very UWM-esque on the road.

Time to make a new tradition at the Pavilion.
Title: Re: Our Bigs vs Nova
Post by: muwarrior69 on January 19, 2022, 10:58:13 AM
I didn't say they were invincible. I said they are very good. And the reality is if we play our best of the game of the season and they play their best game of the season, they would beat us by double digits. If we both played our worst game of the season, they would beat us by double digits. We need a combination of us playing closer to our ceiling and them playing close to their floor to pull of the win. Doable. Unlikely, but doable.

Hmm...we didn't win the game, Nova lost it; that is if we are lucky enough to play them on a bad day.
Title: Re: Our Bigs vs Nova
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on January 19, 2022, 11:03:50 AM
Hmm...we didn't win the game, Nova lost it; that is if we are lucky enough to play them on a bad day.

I didn't say that either. If we play our best game of the season and they play their average or just better than their average, we could win. And even if they have an off game, it is still an MU win and NOVA loss, that's how it works.
Title: Re: Our Bigs vs Nova
Post by: MuggsyB on January 19, 2022, 12:19:12 PM
I didn't say that either. If we play our best game of the season and they play their average or just better than their average, we could win. And even if they have an off game, it is still an MU win and NOVA loss, that's how it works.

We have to thwart buckets at the rim and prevent high FTA's.  If they beat us badly from distance or if we turn it over it will be along night.  That said I think out B game beats their C game.  Meaning a solid performance will be enough if they are average.
Title: Re: Our Bigs vs Nova
Post by: tower912 on January 19, 2022, 12:24:18 PM
https://www.vuhoops.com/platform/amp/villanova-basketball/2022/1/18/22889212/game-preview-marquette-golden-eagles-big-east-college-basketball-villanova-wildcats


Preview from a Villanova perspective.   
Title: Re: Our Bigs vs Nova
Post by: LAZER on January 19, 2022, 12:26:50 PM
We have to thwart buckets at the rim and prevent high FTA's.  If they beat us badly from distance or if we turn it over it will be along night.  That said I think out B game beats their C game.  Meaning a solid performance will be enough if they are average.
It'll be hard to stop Villanova from getting to the line, but they don't score a lot at the basket so hopefully that shouldn't be too much of a challenge.
Title: Re: Our Bigs vs Nova
Post by: panda on January 19, 2022, 12:30:01 PM
Personnel wise - this is not a bad matchup. Man for man we line up with them very evenly.

Stylistically will be challenging. We thrive on defensive pressure and forcing the issue on that side of the ball.

Nova protects the rock and takes smart shots.

Very tough road game although I do think the 13 point spread is too big.
Title: Re: Our Bigs vs Nova
Post by: DoctorV on January 19, 2022, 01:17:05 PM
https://www.vuhoops.com/platform/amp/villanova-basketball/2022/1/18/22889212/game-preview-marquette-golden-eagles-big-east-college-basketball-villanova-wildcats


Preview from a Villanova perspective.

Good write up.

“Villanova will retire 2017 First Team All-American and 2016 National Champion Josh Hart’s jersey on Wednesday night. The current New Orleans Pelican from Silver Spring, Maryland was one of Nova Nation’s favorites during his time on the Main Line and continues to be a great ambassador for the program.”

Crap

Title: Re: Our Bigs vs Nova
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on January 19, 2022, 01:41:44 PM
We have to thwart buckets at the rim and prevent high FTA's.  If they beat us badly from distance or if we turn it over it will be along night.  That said I think out B game beats their C game.  Meaning a solid performance will be enough if they are average.

Maybe. I'd give them more than a letter grade advantage on us. Stylistically, they are our achilles' heel
Title: Re: Our Bigs vs Nova
Post by: MuggsyB on January 19, 2022, 09:23:11 PM
Maybe. I'd give them more than a letter grade advantage on us. Stylistically, they are our achilles' heel

Or not.
Title: Re: Our Bigs vs Nova
Post by: DoctorV on January 19, 2022, 09:30:33 PM
B2B games where our bigs weren’t great, but Marquette handled business.

That’s a great sign.

They weren’t bad tonight but they can and will play better
Title: Re: Our Bigs vs Nova
Post by: MuggsyB on January 19, 2022, 09:33:40 PM
B2B games where our bigs weren’t great, but Marquette handled business.

That’s a great sign.

They weren’t bad tonight but they can and will play better

Yes.  And Kolek, Jones, and O-Max can collectively play better. GE played with a lot of swagger and JLew closed the door.  But MU can play considerably better which is a good sign.
Title: Re: Our Bigs vs Nova
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on January 19, 2022, 09:55:49 PM
Or not.

Nope, we played a great game and Nova a lousy one and it feels great!
Title: Re: Our Bigs vs Nova
Post by: MuggsyB on January 19, 2022, 10:05:06 PM
Nope, we played a great game and Nova a lousy one and it feels great!

We're capable of elevating our play offensively. I think two guys bailed us out but the bottom line is we scored 57pts.  Some of it was the Nova D and few fouls being called but not all of it.  Great win regardless but I disagree that we played near our A game. 

Can you recall a game when MU had two total FT's and there were 7 collectively?
Title: Re: Our Bigs vs Nova
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on January 19, 2022, 10:07:44 PM
We're capable of elevating our play offensively. I think two guys bailed us out but the bottom line is we scored 57pts.  Some of it was the Nova D and few fouls being called but not all of it.  Great win regardless but I disagree that we played near our A game.

We played a letter grade above Nova and won. It was awesome
Title: Re: Our Bigs vs Nova
Post by: MuggsyB on January 19, 2022, 10:09:13 PM
We played a letter grade above Nova and won. It was awesome

That's fair. 
Title: Re: Our Bigs vs Nova
Post by: MU82 on January 19, 2022, 10:46:05 PM
B2B games where our bigs weren’t great, but Marquette handled business.

That’s a great sign.

They weren’t bad tonight but they can and will play better

I actually thought Kuath was great tonight, had his best game in a Marquette uniform. But it's OK if you saw things differently. We Are Marquette!
Title: Re: Our Bigs vs Nova
Post by: DoctorV on January 19, 2022, 10:54:06 PM
I actually thought Kuath was great tonight, had his best game in a Marquette uniform. But it's OK if you saw things differently. We Are Marquette!

Nice. I missed that but I’m glad you didn’t to be honest.

I was getting concerned our bigs were on a slide.

I think all the inside easy buckets clouded my judgement. He did have some huge blocks and played sound defense, and I noticed a stark improvement defensively  when he was in there versus Oso tonight.

What an example Kur will set for Oso and Darryl will set for all the guards, incredible piece of recruiting from Shaka
Title: Re: Our Bigs vs Nova
Post by: GoldenEagles03 on January 20, 2022, 12:59:04 AM
I would use them exactly how they have been using them.  Screen and rolls. Dives to the rim. Shot blocking safety nets. Use Oso in some dribble action from the elbow. Don't change anything just because we are set to play the ALMIGHTY NOVA. Similar to how last week when they took us in the huddle and Shaka was saying "get the shots we want", I think that applies to the game as a whole against Nova.

Play the game we want.

We played the game we wanted. Was kinda ugly but that's how it needed to be.

Limit their looks inside and suffocate them around the 3 point line. Excellent defense. Excellent offense when it mattered most.

W.