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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: NCMUFan on January 16, 2022, 02:07:46 PM

Title: Villanova 82 Butler 42
Post by: NCMUFan on January 16, 2022, 02:07:46 PM
Villanova in high gear.
Looking forward to the game on Wednesday.
Need to disrupt Villanova's game.

Title: Re: Villanova 82 Butler 42
Post by: Galway Eagle on January 16, 2022, 02:10:30 PM
Good they used up their energy running up the score!
Title: Re: Villanova 82 Butler 42
Post by: CountryRoads on January 16, 2022, 02:19:33 PM
Will be a really tough game Wednesday. I expect MU to compete well and be in the game until the end.

Butler is trending towards Q4 or a buy level type game though. They’re really terrible.
Title: Re: Villanova 82 Butler 42
Post by: BallBoy on January 16, 2022, 03:37:27 PM
Hard to tell how good Nova is based on this game because Butler is that bad. Same as our 30pt win against Georgetown.

Butler has averaged around 20pt beat downs in all their losses without including this 40pt loss to Nova. Their best wins are probably Oklahoma and DePaul.

Nova scored more in the second half than Butler did in the whole game.

I think Nova is good but not as good as previous year’s.

Title: Re: Villanova 82 Butler 42
Post by: Uncle Rico on January 16, 2022, 03:44:32 PM
Hard to tell how good Nova is based on this game because Butler is that bad. Same as our 30pt win against Georgetown.

Butler has averaged around 20pt beat downs in all their losses without including this 40pt loss to Nova. Their best wins are probably Oklahoma and DePaul.

Nova scored more in the second half than Butler did in the whole game.

I think Nova is good but not as good as previous year’s.

Nova is 3rd in KenPom, with the 6th best offense and 13th defense.  They do everything well except get to the FT line and when they do get there, they shoot 81%.  If you believe in fundamentally sound basketball teams, this is the walking definition of it
Title: Re: Villanova 82 Butler 42
Post by: tower912 on January 16, 2022, 03:53:18 PM
It will be a good challenge.    It will be fun to see how MU handles the pick and rolls and switches.   So often MU would end up with Theo on Gillespie out at the 3 pt line and Carton guarding their big. 

This year, MU usually switches 1-4.  On high screen and rolls, MU hedges and turns the PG while the weakside wing defender drops into the paint to guard the rolling big.  It helps a lot that it usually Lewis, OMP, or Morsell dropping into the lane instead of Rowsey or Markus.   Also, MU recovers so fast it looks seamless.   Maybe it is just Osa and Kur being quicker.

Nova is Nova.  Well coached and patient.   Nothing to do but lace them up.
Title: Re: Villanova 82 Butler 42
Post by: BallBoy on January 16, 2022, 03:56:48 PM
Nova is 3rd in KenPom, with the 6th best offense and 13th defense.  They do everything well except get to the FT line and when they do get there, they shoot 81%.  If you believe in fundamentally sound basketball teams, this is the walking definition of it

Did anything I say contradict this?
Title: Re: Villanova 82 Butler 42
Post by: Daniel on January 16, 2022, 04:21:33 PM
Villanova is always a tough game especially at their place.   But we have had success against them at times.   If we can hit our shots and play defense we have a chance.  If we can add rebounding a good chance .   But the key will be our inside game - can we get a dunk fest going?   That could be the ticket.
Title: Re: Villanova 82 Butler 42
Post by: avid1010 on January 16, 2022, 04:26:36 PM

Nova scored more in the second half than Butler did in the whole game.
Yeah...but they scored enough to cover the 1H total of 58...$$$$ 
Title: Re: Villanova 82 Butler 42
Post by: MU82 on January 16, 2022, 04:42:15 PM
Hard to tell how good Nova is

Good. They're always good, dammit.
Title: Re: Villanova 82 Butler 42
Post by: cheebs09 on January 16, 2022, 04:43:13 PM
Hard to tell how good Nova is based on this game because Butler is that bad. Same as our 30pt win against Georgetown.

Butler has averaged around 20pt beat downs in all their losses without including this 40pt loss to Nova. Their best wins are probably Oklahoma and DePaul.

Nova scored more in the second half than Butler did in the whole game.

I think Nova is good but not as good as previous year’s.

How did a Porter Moser coached team lose to Butler?
Title: Re: Villanova 82 Butler 42
Post by: BallBoy on January 16, 2022, 04:54:59 PM
Good. They're always good, dammit.

Notice the word how in front of good.  That indicates a level of.

Notice the second qualifier which says based on this game.

Nova is good but this isn’t their best team of the last 5 years.
Title: Re: Villanova 82 Butler 42
Post by: MU82 on January 16, 2022, 05:53:44 PM
Nova is good but this isn’t their best team of the last 5 years.

Yes, odds are they won't win the national title.
Title: Re: Villanova 82 Butler 42
Post by: Uncle Rico on January 16, 2022, 05:58:38 PM
Yes, odds are they won't win the national title.

It wouldn’t surprise me if they did win it.  They profile very much like a national champ and are getting better as the season moves along.  This is a much better team than the one in November and healthier. 
Title: Re: Villanova 82 Butler 42
Post by: MU82 on January 16, 2022, 06:06:29 PM
It wouldn’t surprise me if they did win it.  They profile very much like a national champ and are getting better as the season moves along.  This is a much better team than the one in November and healthier.

Good point, Unk. Nova is very good again, and there doesn't seem to be a great team this season so far.
Title: Re: Villanova 82 Butler 42
Post by: BallBoy on January 16, 2022, 08:20:08 PM
Good point, Unk. Nova is very good again, and there doesn't seem to be a great team this season so far.

I wasn’t basing my comment on just a NC but the players and how they are playing. This isn’t their best team in the last four years.

They got smoked by Baylor a month ago and then again at the beginning of Jan.

Nova is a good team but not a true NC contender.

Title: Re: Villanova 82 Butler 42
Post by: panda on January 16, 2022, 08:22:35 PM
I wasn’t basing my comment on just a NC but the players and how they are playing. This isn’t their best team in the last four years.

They got smoked by Baylor a month ago and then again at the beginning of Jan.

Nova is a good team but not a true NC contender.

Yep - if their name isn’t Villanova, we’re not having this conversation. Good not great.
Title: Re: Villanova 82 Butler 42
Post by: mug644 on January 16, 2022, 08:50:17 PM
What I like is that MU has nothing to lose on Wed. No one will expect us to win, even with the nice run the team is on. Not with Villanova's momentum and beating of Butler today.

I like the idea of a Shaka-led team playing loosely, just going for it.

I won't predict a victory, and it could even be a smack down, yet I'm happy to go into without any pressure or expectations.

As with so many games thus far, it will be an indication of where/how the team is going forward. Ah, yes, the process. It will help with the process.
Title: Re: Villanova 82 Butler 42
Post by: MU82 on January 16, 2022, 09:19:05 PM
I wasn’t basing my comment on just a NC but the players and how they are playing. This isn’t their best team in the last four years.

They got smoked by Baylor a month ago and then again at the beginning of Jan.

Nova is a good team but not a true NC contender.

As I said, odds are against a national title. The same can be said about everybody. Nobody's unbeaten, nobody's unbeatable.

The beautiful thing is that we'll get to see!
Title: Re: Villanova 82 Butler 42
Post by: Viper on January 17, 2022, 10:28:29 AM
Marquette was once what Villanova aspired to be. Villanova has now been what Marquette aspires to be.
Title: Re: Villanova 82 Butler 42
Post by: TheREALwrk on January 17, 2022, 10:35:02 AM
Marquette was once what Villanova aspired to be. Villanova has now been what Marquette aspires to be.

They do everything better. Including the pre-Big East Tournament events for their fans. Marquette may not be able to be Nova on the court (right now). But we should be able to be Nova off the court.
Title: Re: Villanova 82 Butler 42
Post by: 🏀 on January 17, 2022, 12:39:01 PM
They do everything better. Including the pre-Big East Tournament events for their fans. Marquette may not be able to be Nova on the court (right now). But we should be able to be Nova off the court.

What a complaint.
Title: Re: Villanova 82 Butler 42
Post by: We R Final Four on January 17, 2022, 12:46:52 PM
I watched some of this game. Nova flops waaaaaaay more than Bucky…….and that’s saying something.
I hate floppers.
Title: Re: Villanova 82 Butler 42
Post by: Galway Eagle on January 17, 2022, 12:55:36 PM
They do everything better. Including the pre-Big East Tournament events for their fans. Marquette may not be able to be Nova on the court (right now). But we should be able to be Nova off the court.

Wow I for one am shocked that a school that has two recent championships, another fairly recent final four, and loads of recent conference championships is getting more support and enthusiasm than our program that had 2/3 of a season flash before returning to average for 7 years.
Title: Re: Villanova 82 Butler 42
Post by: Jockey on January 17, 2022, 03:39:14 PM


Nova is Nova.  Well coached and patient.   
Nothing to do but lace them up.

As long as it is for one game at a time.
Title: Re: Villanova 82 Butler 42
Post by: TheREALwrk on January 19, 2022, 02:17:16 PM
Wow I for one am shocked that a school that has two recent championships, another fairly recent final four, and loads of recent conference championships is getting more support and enthusiasm than our program that had 2/3 of a season flash before returning to average for 7 years.

What a complaint.

That's not what I meant. I meant they quality of events they put on is much higher than ours. Our little get-togethers at Mustang Harry's are great, don't get me wrong. But they have a myriad of events lined up all week - QnA's/Meet-and-Greets with keynote speakers (usually Villanova CEOs/CFOs), nightly parties, happy hours with drinks covered, hotel receptions in the actual hotel they are staying at.

It shows a real gratefulness and commitment to the fanbase whereas MUs pre-game Mustang Harry's (where we we get a few comped passed apps) seems, in my opinion, under-done.
Title: Re: Villanova 82 Butler 42
Post by: MU82 on January 19, 2022, 06:06:57 PM
We had a lot better comped apps when Al was coach.

And while we were chowin' down on 'em, he'd punch us in the face, tell us he loved us and insist we leave school for big bucks.